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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Steroids Info & Hardcore => Topic started by: Bulgarian_enforcer on August 25, 2015, 11:41:55 PM
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Hi Guys,
It's my first time posting here. I am 29 years old, 230 pounds, around 8-10% fat.
I have started pharma GH (Genotropin from Pfizer) in march 2014. I was doing 4UI ED till Oct. 2014, then i went up to 6 UI ED and have been shooting it thus far.
I did 3 AAS (mainly 600 mg EQ EW /150 mg test EW, since I am doing combat sports combined with weight training)cycles in the meantime and went from 200 pounds with 10-12% BF to my current stats.
I want to keep using GH forever is that possible or I risk to have some serious health problems?
Regards,
BE
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beginner forum this way ---->
you shouldve informed yourself about the possible ill effects BEFORE jumping on too.
but to add something productive...
left ventricular hypertrophy (especially paired with AAS), insulin resistance, carpal tunnel syndrome
all dose dependant
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I do blood work every 6 months. My lipids are fine, blood sugar is also in range and I have no CTS. Only my ALT is high, but that's no biggie.
Feeling healthy and strong so far.
I plan to go on 2UI for 3 months during the winter, combined with peptides. Just thought there are some vets who have been on GH for years. Consequently, I wanted to gain from their experience.
I don't consider myself a beginner. Jizmo, what is your experience with GH???
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There's use and abuse. When your body's production of Test and gh goes down your body starts to degrade as well. Replacement dose is healthy. For gh it's around 2iu/day. But at your age that's not going to do much. If you are looking to exceed your natural potential then 6 iu is a good dose. Pros are at 15-30ius/day. But it's not for life and it's still not healthy.
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Thanks for the reply, Pelius. I have been on 6UI for almost a year now. Did not have any bad sides except from small skeletal growth in the head, hands and feet, which I consider to be positive.
My main dilemma is whether to do 6UI all non-stop (for now money is no issue and I have goo source) or to go off/taper off the GH when I do my winter AAS cycle for around 2-3 months?
Another way I can do it is to be on 4UI year round.
I love GH. It made all my previous injuries go away, which benefited me greatly in my striking and wrestling activities. Furthermore, I can eat tons of shit and still be lean.
That's why I hope to never come off completely if my health allows it.
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Thanks for the reply, Pelius. I have been on 6UI for almost a year now. Did not have any bad sides except from small skeletal growth in the head, hands and feet, which I consider to be positive.
My main dilemma is whether to do 6UI all non-stop (for now money is no issue and I have goo source) or to go off/taper off the GH when I do my winter AAS cycle for around 2-3 months?
Another way I can do it is to be on 4UI year round.
I love GH. It made all my previous injuries go away, which benefited me greatly in my striking and wrestling activities. Furthermore, I can eat tons of shit and still be lean.
That's why I hope to never come off completely if my health allows it.
At your age you don't need a maintenance dose of HGH. Remember, there are many things an athlete does that simulates more HGH production than the average Joe. High intensity training, as long as your blood sugar isn't high (so no gatorade or sugar base drinks while training as high blood sugar suppresses HGH production), stimulates HGH production.
So I would not take any HGH unless you are blasting and are on AAS. You can increase your caloric intake much more without getting fat if you are on HGH. In fact, if you combine HGH with at least 500mg/wk of Tren A plus balls to the wall training you can really pound the calories and still stay pretty lean.
I'm not sure what level you are at but an intermediate cycle would look something like this.
6iu HGH
100 mcg T4
500mg/wk Tren A
900mg/wk EQ
1000mg/wk Test Cyp/Enan
Orals in and out (6-8wks on/4 wks off)
(100-150mg drol/50-100mg dbol)
This depends on what level you are at in which case you would increase the dosage. A friend who isn't quite national level but is getting there is at 700mg Tren, 1500mg EQ, 2-3 grams Test plus orals.
Now I'll brace myself for the comments about how if someone needs that much gear and is still not NPC should take of golfing.
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i think becoming a 300lbs beast with what you describe there would not really make him a better combative sportsman :D
i guess hes doing it for the injury healing purposes, not to become a huffing and puffing ragdoll in the ring
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Thanks for the cycle suggestion, Pellius. However, Jizmo is right, I dont want to move up in weight cause of cardio problems. Moreover, I don't use more than a gram of AAS per week for that reason (definitely no tren, which kills my air). The AAS I use are test prop, EQ, sometimes Deca, and Halo if I manage to find some.
My main concern is whether is it OK to use 6UI of pharma GH year round or I have to take breaks by stopping gh/tapering off gh and/or using peptides/AAS in the off time?
I just dont want to get organ enlargement or some other major health concern. So far GH made me healthier individual: my nails, hair teeth and skin look way better than before. I also got rid of old injuries, which were hurting my performance.
Eating KFC and staying with abs is also nice. :)
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Keep using the GH year round, there is nothing like pharm grade GH. Just get blood work done now and then, and if all is good no need to stop. Been on Serostim for 2 years straight, labs perfect, at 4 iu per day.
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some wealthy fellas here in this thread!!
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Thx, lilhawk. I will keep using. Pharma GH in the long run is definitely a game changer. :)
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As Jizmo has already touched on, I would say, and through experience, that the biggest issue here is left ventricular hypertrophy. I have been on hGH for about 6 years straight in conjunction with steroids. I recently had appendicitis. When the paramedics gave me an ECG, they initially thought I might be having a heart attack, then quickly realised that the ECG actually showed LVH. I intend to take 6 months off hGH, have another ECG and see where I stand. I have read a study that showed that the heart does in fact shrink down to size during a good washout period.
There is then the debate as to whether LVH is actually dangerous. Many athletes, particularly endurance athletes get this condition and it is argued that it is the body's natural adaptation to the increased demand put on the heart through training. Still, I'm very keen to find out whether hGH was the culprit in my case. I strongly suspect so.
I have also have slight issues with my systolic blood pressure. Typical blood pressure for me is 145/70, so I have systolic hypertension. I'm not sure whether this is related to LVH.
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As Jizmo has already touched on, I would say, and through experience, that the biggest issue here is left ventricular hypertrophy. I have been on hGH for about 6 years straight in conjunction with steroids. I recently had appendicitis. When the paramedics gave me an ECG, they initially thought I might be having a heart attack, then quickly realised that the ECG actually showed LVH. I intend to take 6 months off hGH, have another ECG and see where I stand. I have read a study that showed that the heart does in fact shrink down to size during a good washout period.
There is then the debate as to whether LVH is actually dangerous. Many athletes, particularly endurance athletes get this condition and it is argued that it is the body's natural adaptation to the increased demand put on the heart through training. Still, I'm very keen to find out whether hGH was the culprit in my case. I strongly suspect so.
I have also have slight issues with my systolic blood pressure. Typical blood pressure for me is 145/70, so I have systolic hypertension. I'm not sure whether this is related to LVH.
Thx for sharing your expetience Jenetics! Hope your problem goes away after your time off.
What doses were you using GH wise during the last 6 years?
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i think becoming a 300lbs beast with what you describe there would not really make him a better combative sportsman :D
i guess hes doing it for the injury healing purposes, not to become a huffing and puffing ragdoll in the ring
Good point and you are completely right. I completely forgot that he doesn't want to be a bber. My bad.
In that case I would stay on indefinitely if he can afford it. 4-5ius/day
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Keep using the GH year round, there is nothing like pharm grade GH. Just get blood work done now and then, and if all is good no need to stop. Been on Serostim for 2 years straight, labs perfect, at 4 iu per day.
This ^^^^^^
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Thanks for the cycle suggestion, Pellius. However, Jizmo is right, I dont want to move up in weight cause of cardio problems. Moreover, I don't use more than a gram of AAS per week for that reason (definitely no tren, which kills my air). The AAS I use are test prop, EQ, sometimes Deca, and Halo if I manage to find some.
My main concern is whether is it OK to use 6UI of pharma GH year round or I have to take breaks by stopping gh/tapering off gh and/or using peptides/AAS in the off time?
I just dont want to get organ enlargement or some other major health concern. So far GH made me healthier individual: my nails, hair teeth and skin look way better than before. I also got rid of old injuries, which were hurting my performance.
Eating KFC and staying with abs is also nice. :)
You're right. I was wrong. And yes, stay away from tren.
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As Jizmo has already touched on, I would say, and through experience, that the biggest issue here is left ventricular hypertrophy. I have been on hGH for about 6 years straight in conjunction with steroids. I recently had appendicitis. When the paramedics gave me an ECG, they initially thought I might be having a heart attack, then quickly realised that the ECG actually showed LVH. I intend to take 6 months off hGH, have another ECG and see where I stand. I have read a study that showed that the heart does in fact shrink down to size during a good washout period.
There is then the debate as to whether LVH is actually dangerous. Many athletes, particularly endurance athletes get this condition and it is argued that it is the body's natural adaptation to the increased demand put on the heart through training. Still, I'm very keen to find out whether hGH was the culprit in my case. I strongly suspect so.
I have also have slight issues with my systolic blood pressure. Typical blood pressure for me is 145/70, so I have systolic hypertension. I'm not sure whether this is related to LVH.
All life long athletes will have LVH to some degree whether they are enhanced or not.
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You're right. I was wrong. And yes, stay away from tren.
Thx for the input. I will keep it as it is 6UI ed and look at blood every once in few months.
I am getting some small mutation going, which I enjoy so far. My wrist have grown by a inch so are my ankles.
I have come from a light heavyweight to a heavyweight and lost some fat in the process.
Bobybuilng is also in my blood. I want to look freaky but still be efective when is time to dance.
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Thx for sharing your expetience Jenetics! Hope your problem goes away after your time off.
What doses were you using GH wise during the last 6 years?
My doses have varied considerably over the years, but I probably averaged around 4iu. I must say, I don't believe I reaped huge rewards from the hgh. I never used pharma grade though, mostly hygertropin and Chinese blue / yellow tops. I am leaner now I'm actually off the hgh. Currently 8% bf at around 93kg. Perhaps if I were to use again I will try pharma grade.
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Life is a long time to take hgh for thats for sure. Id at least see what type of gains you can get cycling it before hopping on for life. You say your experiencing mutations of about a inch of bone growth i would just take a wild guess and say thats not good for you. In my opinion when you get a whole bunch of body builders talking about something in a forum together they tend to feed off each other and not always think about the long term effects. I personally think you should cycle it and get blood work regularly. Plus hgh for life will get expensive and you will eventually reach a cap on what its going to do for you. Obviously this isnt the popular opinion im expressing but i just think you should do more research on hgh and try to find some clinical studies or something. No matter which way you look at it though taking 6 iu's a day of hgh is going to be bad for you if you do it for years on end. Unless your making money off your physique i wouldnt do hgh for years and years on end its not worth it.
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I dont think there is any problem with TRT or replacing your hgh when your older with healthy amounts though when your body needs it.
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Life is a long time to take hgh for thats for sure. Id at least see what type of gains you can get cycling it before hopping on for life. You say your experiencing mutations of about a inch of bone growth i would just take a wild guess and say thats not good for you. In my opinion when you get a whole bunch of body builders talking about something in a forum together they tend to feed off each other and not always think about the long term effects. I personally think you should cycle it and get blood work regularly. Plus hgh for life will get expensive and you will eventually reach a cap on what its going to do for you. Obviously this isnt the popular opinion im expressing but i just think you should do more research on hgh and try to find some clinical studies or something. No matter which way you look at it though taking 6 iu's a day of hgh is going to be bad for you if you do it for years on end. Unless your making money off your physique i wouldnt do hgh for years and years on end its not worth it.
Again, there's a difference between use and abuse. 2-3 units is maintenance dose and should be used for life. HGH becomes more important for health, fitness and quality of life as you get older simply because you start to produce less of it as the years wear on.
HGH is primarily responsible for growth and repair. Aging is your body losing the ability to repair itself and one of the reasons for that is that you stop producing HGH in your advance years.
A lifetime of beyond maintenance dosages, and 6 ius is beyond maintenance, is bound to catch up with you. When you retire from competitive sports then drop it to 2-3 ius. But don't stop. There's a reason why people like Stallone, Norris and Madonna look like they do and can do things that people their age cannot do even if they exercise regularly.
HGH is the closest thing we have now to the fountain of youth
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My doses have varied considerably over the years, but I probably averaged around 4iu. I must say, I don't believe I reaped huge rewards from the hgh. I never used pharma grade though, mostly hygertropin and Chinese blue / yellow tops. I am leaner now I'm actually off the hgh. Currently 8% bf at around 93kg. Perhaps if I were to use again I will try pharma grade.
Thx for the info, Jenetics. I am very pleased with my results so far that's why I don't want to stop if possible. However, my common sense is telling me that staying year round with very high IGF levels might be risky not only beneficial. That's why i created this account and topic. I have read tons of information on HGH and AAS in my spare time but real experience beats anything.
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Again, there's a difference between use and abuse. 2-3 units is maintenance dose and should be used for life. HGH becomes more important for health, fitness and quality of life as you get older simply because you start to produce less of it as the years wear on.
HGH is primarily responsible for growth and repair. Aging is your body losing the ability to repair itself and one of the reasons for that is that you stop producing HGH in your advance years.
A lifetime of beyond maintenance dosages, and 6 ius is beyond maintenance, is bound to catch up with you. When you retire from competitive sports then drop it to 2-3 ius. But don't stop. There's a reason why people like Stallone, Norris and Madonna look like they do and can do things that people their age cannot do even if they exercise regularly.
HGH is the closest thing we have now to the fountain of youth
Appreciate the input. Do you thing that going on maintenance dose for 2-3-6 months a year might be beneficial in avoiding organ growth, blood sugar problems, BP, etc?
Or I can just go off during one of my AAS cycles and start again during pct?
I just want to keep the gains in size and strength but do not want to get greedy with HGH and burnout during the long run. HGH helped me keep AAS gains during the time I used it and become bigger individual permanently. Healed injuries and all you can eat diet is also nice. Do not want to give that up if I do not have to.
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Appreciate the input. Do you thing that going on maintenance dose for 2-3-6 months a year might be beneficial in avoiding organ growth, blood sugar problems, BP, etc?
Or I can just go off during one of my AAS cycles and start again during pct?
I just want to keep the gains in size and strength but do not want to get greedy with HGH and burnout during the long run. HGH helped me keep AAS gains during the time I used it and become bigger individual permanently. Healed injuries and all you can eat diet is also nice. Do not want to give that up if I do not have to.
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Lol this thread is filled with retarded advice
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if all you want is 4-6 units, why not use peptides?
UG gh is not that reliable, but good peptides work. Real phama gh at 4 units per day has the kit empty in a month. Average price here is aout $1300, not sure about your connections but it's ungodly expensive and almost impossible to get.
Not even sure I'd spend that much unless I was making like 5k/week, clear. Sadly, it's not the case.
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this is not what 8-10% bodyfat looks like...
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really? ::)
if you claim 8-10% bf "mutation" you better have proof for it. this looks like a 20% bf back without any lines to be seen except for blue ones
good traps though
no hate, just telling it how it is
most people are completely delusional regarding BF levels
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cant tell that for sure without front pics, but 8% bodyfat close to fat free. you wouldnt even get a hold of flab ANYwhere on your body at a true 8% if you tried, maybe 3-4 millimeter skinfolds with fat and thats it
- you still have lots of fat on your hips (look at where your hand is and how the fat indents there) ... thats like an inch your hand goes into your hip fat ...
- triceps doesnt seperate from the arm (if youre lean it does)
- below 12% bf you would see clear outline of the complete back muscle anatomy when flexed, even with a tattoo covering everything
post a front pic and i can tell you
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youre not below 15% my man... 8% is shredded without a "dry" appearance and a bit of water...
just google fitness model
these guys are in the 7-8% range
look at my avatar pic
im 12% at best there, probably higher
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THAT pic you just posted looks much more like 10% range
looks like a completely different person, much better
you look like garbage in the first front pic to be honest
the second pic you look fucking great
stop eating shit and doing this to yourself and stay in the 2nd pic condition for gods sake lol
i doubt its just water that differentiates your look right now from the look in the 2nd pic though.. you put on a good amount of fat
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Lol this thread is filled with retarded advice
Then why don't you share some of your sage advice?
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really? ::)
if you claim 8-10% bf "mutation" you better have proof for it. this looks like a 20% bf back without any lines to be seen except for blue ones
good traps though
no hate, just telling it how it is
most people are completely delusional regarding BF levels
This is not 20% BF.
But who cares. You look like how you look and call yourself any bodyfat you want. It's not going to change the way you actually look. This is not a fat guy. 20% is fat. Whether he thinks he's 8% or you think he's 20%. No difference to what he actually looks like in the mirror or to the eye.
Never understood this bodyfat % obsession.
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First front pic he's definitely not ripped but not 20% either. But this is how he looks. Looks like a guy who works out but needs to tighten up his diet.
Second pic much better. Again not shredded but ideal for a performance athlete. You don't want to be 6% when you need strength and endurance. Looks healthy and fit.
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This is 8%
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This is 8%
Why do you post those pics man?
Seriously, just stop.
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Why do you post those pics man?
Seriously, just stop.
.because that is 8%. I got my BF tested. I almost blew my head off losing 45 poinds in 3 months but fuck it that is legit 8% dex scanned .ritch you posted ONE picture when you were pretty peak but are you in shape right now? can you go snap a pic right now and impress me? . I'm getting better everyday No more fallbacks I'll show you conditioning with fullness. I'll win my class at the emerald cup in 8 months! I'll Nolotil up like a guy if I have to.
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while were on the HGH subject I think I could use those genotropin kits more then you! please send them to me asap!
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while were on the HGH subject I think I could use those genotropin kits more then you! please send them to me asap!
Yeah, you need them more cause u look like a skinny ass bitch. I can KO u in a single 1-2 or choke u in 15 sec... you need them more...
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Why do you post those pics man?
Seriously, just stop.
why don't you post more pics instead of one when you hit conditioning? what do you look like right now? honestly. Impress me. are you in shape right now. I posted it because that is 8%. I'll jump to 200-212 within 8 months just watch. The pictures I posted today are 8 months out! and I'm still in shape!
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Yeah, you need them more cause u look like a skinny ass bitch. I can KO u in a single 1-2 or choke u in 15 sec... you need them more...
your bigger man but you can't hit under 10% on HGH? you should of got leaner then blew up on the HGH. your big but your conditioning is not that great especially for being on genotropin. whatever man it's your money id just spend it when you were more peak conditioned. I got a arsenal of shit I'm saving for my show. I wouldn't use it now
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Why do you post those pics man?
Seriously, just stop.
post more pics and I'll shut the fuck up! what are you worried about? what you don't stay ripped all year?
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post more pics and I'll shut the fuck up! what are you worried about? what you don't stay ripped all year?
I posted a side chest shot recently.
Fuck you are a glutton for punishment man, unbelievable how delusional you are. LIttle man.
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your bigger man but you can't hit under 10% on HGH? you should of got leaner then blew up on the HGH. your big but your conditioning is not that great especially for being on genotropin. whatever man it's your money id just spend it when you were more peak conditioned. I got a arsenal of shit I'm saving for my show. I wouldn't use it now
No problem. I dont wanna be disrespectful, but I dont take no shit... I know you guys know your drugs... thats why i wanted to learn from you. my idea was to find out whats the best way to use GH for best recovery and to keep strength and size from aas which i have achieved so far and stay healthy.
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I posted a side chest shot recently.
Fuck you are a glutton for punishment man, unbelievable how delusional you are. LIttle man.
That was one pic! whatever I'll place my first place trophy in 8 months. I got small on purpose I can hold more size then you! I'm way more hardcore then you.I'll do whatever the fuck it takes. 2 seconds I'll post up some badass shit. very hard to find. expensive too if done right this changes a physique more then anything.
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No problem. I dont wanna be disrespectful, but I dont take no shit... I know you guys know your drugs... thats why i wanted to learn from you. my idea was to find out whats the best way to use GH for best recovery and to keep strength and size from aas which i have achieved so far and stay healthy.
just depends on how much money you have! genotropin is expensive stuff. I would save something like genos for maybe 4 weeks out from a show. I can;t even use chinese HGH year round! It's cool to use HGH year round if you can afford it!
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yeah Ritch I look awful this was today!
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That was one pic! whatever I'll place my first place trophy in 8 months. I got small on purpose I can hold more size then you! I'm way more hardcore then you.I'll do whatever the fuck it takes. 2 seconds I'll post up some badass shit. very hard to find. expensive too if done right this changes a physique more then anything.
The pic was posted after my little diet. I got a good one "bathroom selfie" on my phone but it's too big (over 500kb) don't know how to re size it.
OK, now, you're just trolling "I got small on purpose" you say? Sure... Even on a site like getbig, that is weak man. Very weak....
And your pics with a tank or hoodie on don't count nor are you fooling anyone with that shit.
AS I said... You are the king of delusional. THA KING!!!
Must be some people getting a good laugh at your expense. Please keep this thread alive.
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yeah Ritch I look awful this was today!
And those fuckin' loser sunglasses worn inside. OH man.... How they must laugh at you thinking you're some "star" YOu little turd...
Another pic with a tank on. Geez, what are you hiding I wonder??? Surely not a ripped stomach.... And taken right after a tan????
Because we all look better the second we step out, you can't fool me, pick someone else to try and "make believe" you're jacked.
DELUSIONAL little man.... Must be nice though to be so small and fit so well in those tanning booths though!
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I had to get lean! of course I lost size. I had to drop some weight to hit sub 8%. I used to walk around at 5-6% BF everyday! This is some REAL DEAL shit! authentic Nolotil/ with lidocaine plus I have some lasix amps in the backround and some dyazide tabs. Nolotill blows you up like crazy. you look like a diffrent person within a day! I'm saving that shit for day of the show 3 delt shots two bicep shots, two tricep shots. 14 shots altogether. could you handle that?
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and lol @ deleting your posts/pics enforcer
now i look like a retard posting 5 times in a row :(
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And those fuckin' loser sunglasses worn inside. OH man.... How they must laugh at you thinking you're some "star" YOu little turd...
Another pic with a tank on. Geez, what are you hiding I wonder??? Surely not a ripped stomach.... And taken right after a tan????
Because we all look better the second we step out, you can't fool me, pick someone else to try and "make believe" you're jacked.
DELUSIONAL little man.... Must be nice though to be so small and fit so well in those tanning booths though!
those sunglasses costed 300$ and guess what I have 2 pairs! sorry I'm doing better then you. No man I don't get fucked with at all.sorry I'm a good looking guy!
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those sunglasses costed 300$ and guess what I have 2 pairs! sorry I'm doing better then you. No man I don't get fucked with at all.sorry I'm a good looking guy!
LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You bought those at the dollar store you clown, oh man, you take us for such morons, lol!!!
EPIC thread of self ownage!!!!
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LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You bought those at the dollar store you clown, oh man, you take us for such morons, lol!!!
EPIC thread of self ownage!!!!
My pics are taken in the same tanning salon every week, that membership you couldn;t even afford buddy!Owned guy!you sure I have all these expensive drugs and buy 1$ glasses. those are raybans retard.here just shows your a jealous dumbfuck! where did I get the case posted so quick? your fucking dumb man people who have known me have seen me post big money on here. Your making me want to break out some serious artillery-lol
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Well what can I say???
You got the muscle
the $$$
the gear
the woman
Must go away now and think about the mistakes I made in life and why I'm not half as awesome as you!
hangs head in shame...
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and lol @ deleting your posts/pics enforcer
now i look like a retard posting 5 times in a row :(
Sorry, it was off topic. :)
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you wish you had half my looks ! here same chick one at gym, one kind of glamour shot pic.
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just depends on how much money you have! genotropin is expensive stuff. I would save something like genos for maybe 4 weeks out from a show. I can;t even use chinese HGH year round! It's cool to use HGH year round if you can afford it!
I can afford 6UI year round so far and I will keep using. I agree that my diet is all you can eat buffet, but I thought that was the way for mutation to happen: high IGF with lots of protein and calories.
Also my source has some trouble with the Genos in the future. Alternatives are humatrope 72UI kits and Seizen 24UI kits. Any thoughts on those?
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Ok ritchy your turn lets see your glasses,drugs, women,conditioning at this second! you want to post cash with our tags? I doubt that homie! you def know how to fuck with me! I run through women like vials of Tren!
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I can afford 6UI year round so far and I will keep using. I agree that my diet is all you can eat buffet, but I thought that was the way for mutation to happen: high IGF with lots of protein and calories.
Also my source has some trouble with the Genos in the future. Alternatives are humatrope 72UI kits and Seizen 24UI kits. Any thoughts on those?
bro if you can afford it use it. HGH is pretty much side effect free! I would be stacking some Test cyp or enan with it and maybe some tren but HGH along will work and is safe! it's all about your budget when it comes to HGH. IMO no reason to use it year round unless you have a prescription. using it up to a comp is diffrent. If you feel good on it and it's not draining your pockets fuck it run it year round. ^IU is plenty if it's 110% real geno's
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Ok ritchy your turn lets see your glasses,drugs, women,conditioning at this second! you want to post cash with our tags? I doubt that homie! you def know how to fuck with me! I run through women like vials of Tren!
waiting lets see what your flawsing! I don;t need to prove myself anymore! guys who know me will tell you I'm not somebody who fucks around. even guys on this board have seen me post mad chips and shit i shouldn't of posted but that was years ago.
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waiting lets see what your flawsing! I don;t need to prove myself anymore! guys who know me will tell you I'm not somebody who fucks around. even guys on this board have seen me post mad chips and shit i shouldn't of posted but that was years ago.
ya still don't have one shirtless pic of you. So shut the hell up with your "callouts" man. You don't even have one real pic posted.
Such a clown, oh man...
And ya know, I never would have posted as I did here (took a massive amount of self restraint not to shit on your other pics/threads) trust me... But you come in here, posting pics like you're some authority on the matter is what bugs me as your pics flat out fuckin' suck.
Anyone out there would rather look like me and I don't expect you to agree with me as it's rather depressing to admit to one's self. But deep down inside, you know it's true.
So keep shootin' blanks with your pic challenges you delusional little clown...
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Well what can I say???
You got the muscle
the $$$
the gear
the woman
Must go away now and think about the mistakes I made in life and why I'm not half as awesome as you!
hangs head in shame...
You just talk shit! I posted everything to back my shit up! You wouldn't do shit if you saw my in person! you can't post shit to back yourself up! Talk some shit in 8 months when I take my class at the emerald cup. Till then shut up!or post up some shit don't just talk total bullshit.
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Thanks for yet again replying and solidifying the issue to what a loser you are. Just wow and a great lesson to us in regards to "you never know what that person looks like" but there sure was a mystic about you and that first pic you posted just crushed all the mystery revealing the pathetic little man you are.
Don't know why you even bother replying as I've chewed you up and totally spat you out. But didn't take much effort as you self sabotage your image very well all by your little self...
Continue?
Sure hope so!
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ya still don't have one shirtless pic of you. So shut the hell up with your "callouts" man. You don't even have one real pic posted.
Such a clown, oh man...
And ya know, I never would have posted as I did here (took a massive amount of self restraint not to shit on your other pics/threads) trust me... But you come in here, posting pics like you're some authority on the matter is what bugs me as your pics flat out fuckin' suck.
Anyone out there would rather look like me and I don't expect you to agree with me as it's rather depressing to admit to one's self. But deep down inside, you know it's true.
So keep shootin' blanks with your pic challenges you delusional little clown...
you posted one picture! looked OK nothing special though! post some more up,post some pics of your girl up, post your gear and other shit. you just talk shit everything you said was a lie I backed it all up in 30 seconds. Let's see your legs. I'll post without a shirt on not really my style on the internet but fuck it. I wasn't even going to post this weeks pics because I wanted to train tomorrow and drop some dyazide wake up and take the pics.
I'm starting to think your gay man. start posting your girls. not sure why your infatuated with me. number 2 were hijacking this guys thread because you just can't shut the fuck up!
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you posted one picture! looked OK nothing special though! post some more up,post some pics of your girl up, post your gear and other shit. you just talk shit everything you said was a lie I backed it all up in 30 seconds. Let's see your legs. I'll post without a shirt on not really my style on the internet but fuck it. I wasn't even going to post this weeks pics because I wanted to train tomorrow and drop some dyazide wake up and take the pics.
I'm starting to think your gay man. start posting your girls. not sure why your infatuated with me. number 2 were hijacking this guys thread because you just can't shut the fuck up!I think your funny I know your sitting there pissed while I can post anything to claim your full of shit! 1$ glasses took care of that,girl(took care of that) decent pics took care of that, good drugs took care of that. shut up for 8 months and I'll post my 1st place trophy if not go on and run your mouth that's how confident I am.
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You keep talking, yet not one pic with no shirt, not one.
Posting pics of stuff to prove what point exactly? It's obvious by my kitchen set up, I'm of average income. When did I ever say "I got this, I got that..." Just you who feels the need to post up "stuff" to "show us"
And I'm very low key about my physique unlike little bitches like you who walk around in string tanks. Such loser shit to wear and the fact you need to display yourself in public like that just shows how badly you seek "compliments"
I know what I got, and it's seen without having to dress down you little clown. You in a sweater=normal looking dude.
For someone on massive gear like you=fail.
At your little height, looking big should be easy. But you fail even at that, pffff, lol!!!! What a joke you are.
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Taking dyazide before pics?
Seriously??? Man you got issues... You can't even look decent without that? How about I take some as well, would so smoke you dude, you really have no idea.
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LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You bought those at the dollar store you clown, oh man, you take us for such morons, lol!!!
EPIC thread of self ownage!!!!
example of your bullshit!
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Taking dyazide before pics?
Seriously??? Man you got issues... You can't even look decent without that? How about I take some as well, would so smoke you dude, you really have no idea.
do it then! you don't even have dyazide!if you do take a pic of it like I did! pharma dyazide.I havn;t taken dyazide in months. I am holding a touch of water but don;t really need dyazide but it's not bad to take it once a week on the weekends to dry out.
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Taking dyazide before pics?
Seriously??? Man you got issues... You can't even look decent without that? How about I take some as well, would so smoke you dude, you really have no idea.
well I guess we both agree EQ is shit!
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post a chick hotter then mine!
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6iu is too high for replacement if your gh is dosed correct,, 6iu does not have very pronounced muscle building benefits...But is good for fat loss and staying lean and volumizing you..Decent amount of hyperplasmia so will help with AAS growth potential...I see muscle benefits from 8iu+ and am running 10iu serostim currently and i have been for a while...It helps counteract some side effects of some AAS like tren...GH is incredible but at 6iu if you're talking about this dose for life you WILL experience some organ growth in the future at some point...It won't be fast and very noticable..But you WILL GET IT... this is at 6iu....Your shoe size will increase eventually...Your nose will increase.....We're talking 6iu for LIFE HERE...Yes this is true...May take 20 years..But it's true...
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6iu is too high for replacement if your gh is dosed correct,, 6iu does not have very pronounced muscle building benefits...But is good for fat loss and staying lean and volumizing you..Decent amount of hyperplasmia so will help with AAS growth potential...I see muscle benefits from 8iu+ and am running 10iu serostim currently and i have been for a while...It helps counteract some side effects of some AAS like tren...GH is incredible but at 6iu if you're talking about this dose for life you WILL experience some organ growth in the future at some point...It won't be fast and very noticable..But you WILL GET IT... this is at 6iu....Your shoe size will increase eventually...Your nose will increase.....We're talking 6iu for LIFE HERE...Yes this is true...May take 20 years..But it's true...
Thx, Dave. I have been on 6UI since the end of Oct 2014 and cant wear most of my old shoes now. My wrist and ankles have both grown about an inch. I doubt that its only water retention. My head is also bigger and people who have not seen me in year or two barely recognize me.
I consider HGH as the best PED for combat sports not only for bb. Great recovery and healing properties.
Reading from you posts, I consider you are using HGH for the long run. How do you plan to avoid organ growth and the other bad stuff from long use?
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Thx, Dave. I have been on 6UI since the end of Oct 2014 and cant wear most of my old shoes now. My wrist and ankles have both grown about an inch. I doubt that its only water retention. My head is also bigger and people who have not seen me in year or two barely recognize me.
I consider HGH as the best PED for combat sports not only for bb. Great recovery and healing properties.
Reading from you posts, I consider you are using HGH for the long run. How do you plan to avoid organ growth and the other bad stuff from long use?
Either using enough for muscle building properties....Or using therapeutic dosages that will mimick a younger guys production...This is what i do...When i stop bodybuilding all together i will drop down to therapeutic dosages...Which will do little/nothing in terms of progressing the growth of internal organs or even external features...I ran much more GH when i was competing...I noticed stuff in 1 year running higher dosages than i have multiple years with 10iu so far....It's realistically better this way.... 30-40 years of 6iu is worse on the organs than 10iu for 5-6 years and then dropping to 2iu....2iu is baby shit and will do nothing negative to organs regardless of what anyone says...Should either run higher and then go back to therapeutic (which will help you with muscle building enormously while limiting sides) which means throughout the rest of your lifetime you'll be running therapeutic dosages which is ideal...Keep in mind that if you're discouraged that less than 1iu can keep you volumized with 1g+ test and slightly shrinkwrapped...2iu is great as well and gives you a huge edge over the natural gym-goer...6iu forever is a waste of money + more sides if you want the muscle building property you'll have to go higher but for a shorter period
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Im starting 2ius of HGH, 25MG OF CLOMID and arimadex, not sure on the amount of arimadex yet.im going to run that for 6 month.
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Either using enough for muscle building properties....Or using therapeutic dosages that will mimick a younger guys production...This is what i do...When i stop bodybuilding all together i will drop down to therapeutic dosages...Which will do little/nothing in terms of progressing the growth of internal organs or even external features...I ran much more GH when i was competing...I noticed stuff in 1 year running higher dosages than i have multiple years with 10iu so far....It's realistically better this way.... 30-40 years of 6iu is worse on the organs than 10iu for 5-6 years and then dropping to 2iu....2iu is baby shit and will do nothing negative to organs regardless of what anyone says...Should either run higher and then go back to therapeutic (which will help you with muscle building enormously while limiting sides) which means throughout the rest of your lifetime you'll be running therapeutic dosages which is ideal...Keep in mind that if you're discouraged that less than 1iu can keep you volumized with 1g+ test and slightly shrinkwrapped...2iu is great as well and gives you a huge edge over the natural gym-goer...6iu forever is a waste of money + more sides if you want the muscle building property you'll have to go higher but for a shorter period
Great knowledge. Thanks for sharing.
So you blast the HGH in the off season with good dose of test to prime before the AAS blast and go down/off the GH in that period?
Do I have to use slin if I run more than 10 UI ED?
One more question will I lose much muscle mass if I go down to 3-4 UI ED from 6UI ED?
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Im starting 2ius of HGH, 25MG OF CLOMID and arimadex, not sure on the amount of arimadex yet.im going to run that for 6 month.
gonna take a guess and say very low arimidex. 1/4mg ed or eod if you get sore joints.
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Unless for anti ageing hgh is a waste of money until you max your steroid using potential.. Aka for your average height of 5.10 I'd say 220-240lb.
Conditioning diet and correct choice of drugs can take you there easily if you are dedicated
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Great knowledge. Thanks for sharing.
So you blast the HGH in the off season with good dose of test to prime before the AAS blast and go down/off the GH in that period?
Do I have to use slin if I run more than 10 UI ED?
One more question will I lose much muscle mass if I go down to 3-4 UI ED from 6UI ED?
Let me let you in on something...You will always look better for a period of time after dropping the GH because it's gonna hold some water...So if you're running GH year round you're never going to see the full extent of the fat loss and get the dry look with new muscle cells you're after...So when i'm off (usually 1-2 months pre summer) and i will not use it into the summer as well...And i will look better than i did when on it...But this is obviously not maintainable....So around this time or mid-late august i would have already figured out goals because i can see the full physique and i planned my cycling accordingly to fit those goals...I always say slin not even needed up to 12-13iu and even then some can get away with 15 even more at times...My number is 10iu and i haven't used slin in years...3-4iu ed is less in terms of IGF less in terms of fat loss and less in terms of thing....BUT you still get the benefits...So where as you'd notice a difference over the corse of 6-8 months between 4iu and 6iu it won't be a big difference in the short term at all...If 350mg test can hold a bodybuilders size decently stable who's 200 6% then you will be perfectly fine with 4iu from 6iu GH especially if your bodyweight bf% stats are not crazy you may still even keep improving with it...so i wouldn't worry about it...
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Let me let you in on something...You will always look better for a period of time after dropping the GH because it's gonna hold some water...So if you're running GH year round you're never going to see the full extent of the fat loss and get the dry look with new muscle cells you're after...So when i'm off (usually 1-2 months pre summer) and i will not use it into the summer as well...And i will look better than i did when on it...But this is obviously not maintainable....So around this time or mid-late august i would have already figured out goals because i can see the full physique and i planned my cycling accordingly to fit those goals...I always say slin not even needed up to 12-13iu and even then some can get away with 15 even more at times...My number is 10iu and i haven't used slin in years...3-4iu ed is less in terms of IGF less in terms of fat loss and less in terms of thing....BUT you still get the benefits...So where as you'd notice a difference over the corse of 6-8 months between 4iu and 6iu it won't be a big difference in the short term at all...If 350mg test can hold a bodybuilders size decently stable who's 200 6% then you will be perfectly fine with 4iu from 6iu GH especially if your bodyweight bf% stats are not crazy you may still even keep improving with it...so i wouldn't worry about it...
Really appreciate the information!