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Getbig Main Boards => Politics and Political Issues Board => Topic started by: howardroark on August 18, 2012, 09:15:34 PM
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"The Pentagon, which tracks military suicides, reported that troops have committed the act at an 18 percent increase over the same period last year. Now, more troops die by their own hands that by the hands of the Taliban in Afghanistan."
http://www.businessinsider.com/suicide-rates-double-in-july-army-issues-nasal-spray-2012-8 (http://www.businessinsider.com/suicide-rates-double-in-july-army-issues-nasal-spray-2012-8)
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That's a shame... We should definitely be providing a lot more mental services to our returning troops... They things they've seen and had to deal with, without a clear enemy it makes it so very difficult.
When our troops can determine right and wrong and they can truly see they are "right", it makes their mental state so much healthier.
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She's complaining after she volunteered to enlist? In a time of war, nonetheless.
All this stuff would have a point if it wasn't a VOLUNTEER army. No one forces anyone to enlist. It's entirely shocking that people join the military to be soldiers and end up, you know, going to war. ::)
Do women in the Army National Guard even see combat?
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She's complaining after she volunteered to enlist? In a time of war, nonetheless.
All this stuff would have a point if it wasn't a VOLUNTEER army. No one forces anyone to enlist. It's entirely shocking that people join the military to be soldiers and end up, you know, going to war. ::)
This is true... they do not force you to enlist, but if you get in and you really don't like it, or you take issue with some of the decisions, there's not a real "out clause" you know.
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This is true... they do not force you to enlist, but if you get in and you really don't like it, or you take issue with some of the decisions, there's not a real "out clause" you know.
I'm pretty sure most people are aware that they're enlisting for a set number of years and that at any point they could end up in combat.
Jesus, talk about holding hands. Now this isn't directed at you but it's kind of funny that libertarians like Howard will argue that people should be able to eat or drink whatever they want yet they don't want to apply that same standard to their ability to serve in the military.
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I'm pretty sure most people are aware that they're enlisting for a set number of years.
Jesus, talk about holding hands. Now this isn't directed at you but it's kind of funny that libertarians like Howard will argue that people should be able to eat or drink whatever they want yet they don't want to apply that same standard to their ability to serve in the military.
I can see your point there... Definitely decisions made that they have to live with on some level.
The choices we make dictate the lives that we lead.
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If you're in the military, you should be able to vote and drink end of story imo. That's pretty fucking simple. If you're considered old enough to go die in war, you should be able to vote and drink. That's pretty fucking simple. If you don't trust that age to drink or vote you shouldn't allow them make a choice where they could go off and die in war. That's pretty fucking simple.
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She's complaining after she volunteered to enlist? In a time of war, nonetheless.
All this stuff would have a point if it wasn't a VOLUNTEER army. No one forces anyone to enlist. It's entirely shocking that people join the military to be soldiers and end up, you know, going to war. ::)
Do women in the Army National Guard even see combat?
Yeah, but no one should be sent to fight an unjust war.
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Yeah, but no one should be sent to fight an unjust war.
BINGO
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God bless her and all those that speak out against the government and military and the devil's work they perform abroad for petty worldly gains.
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I think they should really tell soldiers how the world 'really works' before they sign up.
too often, it's wide-eyed visions of pulling baby iraqis from burning buildings, hugs from the foreigner, and a shiny stiff uniform with a sword.
Reality of what they do there, and why they do it - much different.
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God bless her and all those that speak out against the government and military and the devil's work they perform abroad for petty worldly gains.
Whats her name...MOS/unit......for every trigger puller there are 20 of her that never leave the FOB or see an shot fired in action ever. As for the suicides....we go through BS classes, had one this past week. We get seen when we get home....most don't answer the questions correctly because of retribution that may or may not exist. I've see guys who after being blown up couldn't even count and developed sutters. Other people are fine. They are now doing a test prior to deployment that gives a baseline for mental acuity so if ur blown up they can see a change.
Back the the poster...less then 1% serve or have served in the military.....if a your engaging a vet, my default would be skeptic.
240 what guy who's enlisted in the last 12 years...hasn't seen any 24hr news channel...utube...war porn. Gimme a break.
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Just like the rest of the nation, sense of despair depression, no leadership, no vision, no inspiration anywhere.
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I think they should really tell soldiers how the world 'really works' before they sign up.
too often, it's wide-eyed visions of pulling baby iraqis from burning buildings, hugs from the foreigner, and a shiny stiff uniform with a sword.
Reality of what they do there, and why they do it - much different.
Where do you come up with this bullshit? You want that join the peace corp ::)
So we need to tell young people how the world works?
I'm pretty sure someone like Marcus Luttrell could set these people strait
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Where do you come up with this bullshit? You want that join the peace corp ::)
So we need to tell young people how the world works?
I'm pretty sure someone like Marcus Luttrell could set these people strait
Sounds like another libertarian who doesn't want his hand held but wants to hold the hands of people he has deemed too stupid or too naive to know better.
Sounds like Nancy Pelosi and your typical far-leftist. ::)
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Weak minds weed themselves out one way or another.
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Yeah post that Winter Soldier 2 bullshit, those fuckheads stories have been debunked along time ago.
Adam Kokesh is a douche, who didn't become against the war until he got busted for trying to smuggle shit out of Iraq, fuck him and his organization of retards
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^No f yourself. He speaks the truth of what you are doing abroad. What you think you were sent there to 'help ppl'.
Get this. Iraqis HATE YOU, just because you can give a few sell outs 10 bux to smile on camera does not change the reality.
In teh end YOU are the loser and will always remain a loser. The funny thing is now you let a shia government in power and you wana confront Iran. Jokes on you. How many times you FLIP FLOP who you support for your own interests. In the end don't you see it does NOTHING for you and just makes EVERYONE your enemy because of your perpetual evil actions?
You can spend all the billions of dollars you want in beautifying yourself and demonizing the rest of the world but ppl know they are not that dumb anymore.
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Sounds like another libertarian who doesn't want his hand held but wants to hold the hands of people he has deemed too stupid or too naive to know better.
Sounds like Nancy Pelosi and your typical far-leftist. ::)
That's not libertarian at all...
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^No f yourself. He speaks the truth of what you are doing abroad. What you think you were sent there to 'help ppl'.
Get this. Iraqis HATE YOU, just because you can give a few sell outs 10 bux to smile on camera does not change the reality.
In teh end YOU are the loser and will always remain a loser. The funny thing is now you let a shia government in power and you wana confront Iran. Jokes on you. How many times you FLIP FLOP who you support for your own interests. In the end don't you see it does NOTHING for you and just makes EVERYONE your enemy because of your perpetual evil actions?
You can spend all the billions of dollars you want in beautifying yourself and demonizing the rest of the world but ppl know they are not that dumb anymore.
I could care less of the Iraqi's hate us...as long as the oil flows. If you rags think we give a fuck about any of you in the Middle East your joking. I gave more food to the dogs I saw on the street then I ever did to either the Iraqi's or the Afghans. We will and have always done what's in our best interest. Does anybody care about what happened in the Sudan....nope....but if there was oil or something else there...I'd have a tour there as well. We care about Africa only as long as we can exploit the mineral and oil wealth...as it turns out my car runs on gas. Until that changes we'll continue to hug our arab brothers..and take their shit.
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I could care less of the Iraqi's hate us...as long as the oil flows. If you rags think we give a fuck about any of you in the Middle East your joking. I gave more food to the dogs I saw on the street then I ever did to either the Iraqi's or the Afghans. We will and have always done what's in our best interest. Does anybody care about what happened in the Sudan....nope....but if there was oil or something else there...I'd have a tour there as well. We care about Africa only as long as we can exploit the mineral and oil wealth...as it turns out my car runs on gas. Until that changes we'll continue to hug our arab brothers..and take their shit.
So it doesnt bother you one bit that more of your fellow soldiers commit suicide than is killed in battle?
And that is all for oil?
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So it doesnt bother you one bit that more of your fellow soldiers commit suicide than is killed in battle?
And that is all for oil?
Do you understand how important oil is for the global economy, let alone the U.S. economy? Do you know what is liable to happen if imports from the M.E. are reduced significantly or if the transport of oil is disrupted (e.g., if the Strait of Hormuz is closed)? It's a big deal for a reason!
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Do you understand how important oil is for the global economy, let alone the U.S. economy? Do you know what is liable to happen if imports from the M.E. are reduced significantly or if the transport of oil is disrupted (e.g., if the Strait of Hormuz is closed)? It's a big deal for a reason!
Neither Iraq under Saddam nor Iran right now would undertake that maneuver - it would be economic suicide.
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I could care less of the Iraqi's hate us...as long as the oil flows. If you rags think we give a fuck about any of you in the Middle East your joking. I gave more food to the dogs I saw on the street then I ever did to either the Iraqi's or the Afghans. We will and have always done what's in our best interest. Does anybody care about what happened in the Sudan....nope....but if there was oil or something else there...I'd have a tour there as well. We care about Africa only as long as we can exploit the mineral and oil wealth...as it turns out my car runs on gas. Until that changes we'll continue to hug our arab brothers..and take their shit.
May God reward you in equal terms you accursed low life. You may get away with what you've done to these people.. but may God give you equal in this world and the next.
There's two camps in this war who went in as soldiers. Those who saw and were disgusted and spoke out and left. Those who are SICK and will rot in hell and be accursed in this world for their evil. You are of the later. God curse you.
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Do you understand how important oil is for the global economy, let alone the U.S. economy? Do you know what is liable to happen if imports from the M.E. are reduced significantly or if the transport of oil is disrupted (e.g., if the Strait of Hormuz is closed)? It's a big deal for a reason!
True. But its not what we tell the troops is it?
So basically they are send to kill or possibly die on a lie.
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True. But its not what we tell the troops is it?
So basically they are send to kill or possibly die on a lie.
I'm pretty sure they know why they are in Iraq, since the first thing they did was secure the oil fields.
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I'm pretty sure they know why they are in Iraq, since the first thing they did was secure the oil fields.
many ignorant people on getig argued for years "it's not about the oil!"
back in 2004, 2005... it was hilarious up in here. Parroting the lines about liberating them and spreading democracy lmao
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many ignorant people on getig argued for years "it's not about the oil!"
back in 2004, 2005... it was hilarious up in here. Parroting the lines about liberating them and spreading democracy lmao
There had to be a reason to go in, WMD was as good as any after 9-11, we wanted revenge on someone anyone. Sure Saddam had some shit left over, possible was thinking about spinning up his program again. Since the UN is basically useless, easy enough to discredit them. You can't tell the American people, hey look we are going to secure the oil supplies in the ME, so we are going to invade.
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There had to be a reason to go in, WMD was as good as any after 9-11, we wanted revenge on someone anyone. Sure Saddam had some shit left over, possible was thinking about spinning up his program again. Since the UN is basically useless, easy enough to discredit them. You can't tell the American people, hey look we are going to secure the oil supplies in the ME, so we are going to invade.
we wanted to go in to set up bases (saudis kicking us out back then) and get a foothold for that oil, even if it will be used decades from now.
UN got to search the country, found nothing. Saddam was a dick but he kept the place calm.
The 'sell' to the US population was WMD, exporting democracy, and other noble nonsense. I dont care that we invaded, only that our leaders had to lie to us about it. Just say "oh, we want bases and oil, chill out brah" and I'm okay with that.
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we wanted to go in to set up bases (saudis kicking us out back then) and get a foothold for that oil, even if it will be used decades from now.
UN got to search the country, found nothing. Saddam was a dick but he kept the place calm.
The 'sell' to the US population was WMD, exporting democracy, and other noble nonsense. I dont care that we invaded, only that our leaders had to lie to us about it. Just say "oh, we want bases and oil, chill out brah" and I'm okay with that.
Plus it was sending a message to the other dictators, hey stay in line, or else
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Plus it was sending a message to the other dictators, hey stay in line, or else
yep - I believe kadaffi believed to 'play ball' with the US after we invaded Iraq, he knew he was next.
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many ignorant people on getig argued for years "it's not about the oil!"
back in 2004, 2005... it was hilarious up in here. Parroting the lines about liberating them and spreading democracy lmao
I think those in power do the cold power calculations AND try to promote noble causes, at least on occasion. From the various examples of intervention, it seems clear that the primary goal is always some perceived security interest, e.g. securing oil or deposing some douche that is destabilizing the area. But that doesn't mean someone planning the operation can't also believe some noble cause will be promoted as well.
Still, noble causes are never promoted on their own without an accompanying security interest. That's why we deploy so little to Africa, a place perfect for noble interventions against poverty, genocide, dictatorship, disease, and everything else. There just isn't an accompanying security interest most of the time.
So, while the government always lies about every single operation being about a noble cause, the reality is that a noble cause is only promoted when it happens to co-exist alongside a security interest . That being the case, I think it's fair to say Operation Iraqi Freedom was about democracy and liberation to some extent; it's just that these factors weren't the primary reason we were there, and if they were the only reasons to intervene, we wouldn't do it.
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LOL Gadaffi wanted to implement A GOLD standard dinnar and silver dirham for all of africa being united. THIS is why over night America, France, UK, etc... that were FRIENDS with gadaffi were suddenly tlaking about the "CRAZY MANIAC DICTATOR" and bombed the country to oblivion.
Do you REALLY think they CARE that gadaffi bombed muslim villages who wanted to rule by Islam? No. The US is already waging a war against Islam and Muslims but selectively supported Muslims in Libya while installing a puppet and no one but the US gets what they want in the end.
Africa is RICH in gold, silver, diamonds and all sorts of resources and minerals. Africa would PROSPER if Gadaffi went forward with his idea hence the US interveneed.
The US government is nothing BUT SCUM that has its own interests and is selfish and would NEVER be selfless except if it expects in return a shit load of things in return and thats not being selfless thats being deceitful and evil.
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LOL Gadaffi wanted to implement A GOLD standard dinnar and silver dirham for all of africa being united. THIS is why over night America, France, UK, etc... that were FRIENDS with gadaffi were suddenly tlaking about the "CRAZY MANIAC DICTATOR" and bombed the country to oblivion.
Do you REALLY think they CARE that gadaffi bombed muslim villages who wanted to rule by Islam? No. The US is already waging a war against Islam and Muslims but selectively supported Muslims in Libya while installing a puppet and no one but the US gets what they want in the end.
Africa is RICH in gold, silver, diamonds and all sorts of resources and minerals. Africa would PROSPER if Gadaffi went forward with his idea hence the US interveneed.
The US government is nothing BUT SCUM that has its own interests and is selfish and would NEVER be selfless except if it expects in return a shit load of things in return and thats not being selfless thats being deceitful and evil.
Do you live in the US? If so you need to move to another country immediately if not sooner
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^Why because you are bothered that someone will wake you up from the fantasy that America is the world's 'hero' and 'saviour' and america is innoscent while the rest of the world is evil and needs to be taken care of and protected by the almighty America.
Please... spare that ignoramus crap for someone who is ignorant and believes in fox news.
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^Why because you are bothered that someone will wake you up from the fantasy that America is the world's 'hero' and 'saviour' and america is innoscent while the rest of the world is evil and needs to be taken care of and protected by the almighty America.
Please... spare that ignoramus crap for someone who is ignorant and believes in fox news.
Another brilliant post by the resident ass clown. I don't watch any propaganda i mean news channels.
And no I don't think America is the savior of the world, personally I think we should let all you fuck heads kill each other off. Sunni's vs Shia vs Wahabist, just a matter of time. Save having to pretend like we care about you.
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Another brilliant post by the resident ass clown. I don't watch any propaganda i mean news channels.
And no I don't think America is the savior of the world, personally I think we should let all you fuck heads kill each other off. Sunni's vs Shia vs Wahabist, just a matter of time. Save having to pretend like we care about you.
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*waiting for the 'go back where you came from' redneck comment*
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You really don't get it... Most people in the US truly do not care about that area... There may be a small group, but really not many.
And don't you hate Jewish people?
Why use a Sandberg to illustrate your point?
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I'm mad because I could care less if all the rags in ME killed each other off? Not so much. One of you fuckers isn't worth 1000 US troops.
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I eagerly await the day the world finds an alternative to oil and the Mohammedans are reduced to the ashes of history. They have nothing else going for them. Good luck sustaining your mass-murdering of women and children without the oil money to fund it.
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I could care less of the Iraqi's hate us...as long as the oil flows. If you rags think we give a fuck about any of you in the Middle East your joking. I gave more food to the dogs I saw on the street then I ever did to either the Iraqi's or the Afghans. We will and have always done what's in our best interest. Does anybody care about what happened in the Sudan....nope....but if there was oil or something else there...I'd have a tour there as well. We care about Africa only as long as we can exploit the mineral and oil wealth...as it turns out my car runs on gas. Until that changes we'll continue to hug our arab brothers..and take their shit.
Very good post, glad to see you've opened your eyes! 8)
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many ignorant people on getig argued for years "it's not about the oil!"
back in 2004, 2005... it was hilarious up in here. Parroting the lines about liberating them and spreading democracy lmao
EXACTLY!! This thread is cracking me up!!!
In '04 they were calling us CT NUTS! Now HH6 is even on board with what's going on. Maybe there is hope! 8) 8) 8)
Wonder if Beach Bum can acknowledge the reason we're in the Middle East yet? It certainly has nothing to do with "TERROR". ;D
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back in 2004-2005, guys like me and hugo were openly mocked for our beliefs about WMD and sadaam. Bringing democracy, they said. It's not about oil. Those bases are only temporary. Our govt has no interest in bases. Strategic position? lolzer, what a CT.
the war is nearly ten years old... we have leases to remain on their soil for 15 more years (then add'l renewals).
I guess they can say "It's not a PERMAMENT" base as bush and obama both did... keep renewing lease and it's effectively the same thing.
not that i care - it's the price the US pays to be #1. I can't hate unless I want to live in a mud hut.
I just dislike the morons who lied about it and argued it on getbig.
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Just calling it what it is makes all the difference in my opinion.
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one can only imagine the shit we think is true in 2012... that in ten years will turn out to be bogus.
Turns out Romney was born in kenya and Obamacare will save us from the Canadian invasion?
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Yes. All for the oil. One would think if we went to those lengths that we wouldn't have let China secure the rights to multiple fields when the bidding went down. ::)
240 has changed his "reasoning" behind the Iraq War more often than I can remember.
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Yes. All for the oil. One would think if we went to those lengths that we wouldn't have let China secure the rights to multiple fields when the bidding went down. ::)
240 has changed his "reasoning" behind the Iraq War more often than I can remember.
there was no single reason for invading.
sadaam was dumping the dollar, wasn't he? That's enough right there. Everyone folows suit, and we're screwed. That was probably the #1 reason.
Behind that? bases, for sure. We have what, almsot 100 bases there now? for training, huh?
Religious reasons, sure. Positioning for eventual dealings with china/military, sure - our bases line that border like a mofo. That's no accident.
They also line what will eventually be the oil lines. We secured the oil ministry while the others burned.
No, Fury, it's not "all for the oil" but some of it is - Mccain admitted it. Yes, china got some fields, but we have the bases for the fields that'll be drilled 100 years from now.
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seriously, 1, who gives a shit. you and I probably don't know half the reasons we invaded, and never will.
What we do know is that the moron getbigger belief "we are here to rescue them and spread democracy" is a line of shit, period.
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there was no single reason for invading.
sadaam was dumping the dollar, wasn't he? That's enough right there. Everyone folows suit, and we're screwed. That was probably the #1 reason.
Behind that? bases, for sure. We have what, almsot 100 bases there now? for training, huh?
Religious reasons, sure. Positioning for eventual dealings with china/military, sure - our bases line that border like a mofo. That's no accident.
They also line what will eventually be the oil lines. We secured the oil ministry while the others burned.
No, Fury, it's not "all for the oil" but some of it is - Mccain admitted it. Yes, china got some fields, but we have the bases for the fields that'll be drilled 100 years from now.
Haha, forty reasons come out when you're called on it yet half a dozen posts ago you were ASSERTING it was for the oil.
Thanks for playing and once again proving that you don't know shit.
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Neither Iraq under Saddam nor Iran right now would undertake that maneuver - it would be economic suicide.
I think you are absolutely right that it would have been irrational for Saddam's Iraq to disrupt commerce in the Strait just as it would be for Iran to do so now.
The problem is, states (which are treated as single units of analysis, when really their behavior is produced by groups of people) aren't fully rational because the people who run them aren't fully rational. Sometimes, they are straight up irrational. So it's a risky move to establish foreign policy supported mainly by assumptions of rationality. There are a million examples in history of this being a bad idea.
Here are two relevant ones: in the Iran-Iraq War, the two combatants extended their war into the Persian Gulf and targeted each other's shipping in the so-called "Tanker War." It got so bad that they were at one point attacking neutral shipping. Then, in the Gulf War Saddam mined the Strait of Hormuz, and it took a 50+ day operation called "Operation Candid Hammer" to clear the mines and allow commerce to return to normal.
Long story short, Iran and Iraq have in the recent past irrationally sabotaged the international commerce that goes through the Strait and into the Gulf, each time inflicting billions in losses to the global economy. The U.S. can't simply say "It would be irrational for Iran to close the Strait, therefore they won't do it!" Given the instability of the area it is probably most rational to keep a military presence there as a hedge, even if a closure is unlikely.
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May God reward you in equal terms you accursed low life. You may get away with what you've done to these people.. but may God give you equal in this world and the next.
There's two camps in this war who went in as soldiers. Those who saw and were disgusted and spoke out and left. Those who are SICK and will rot in hell and be accursed in this world for their evil. You are of the later. God curse you.
Dude....I hope one day we figure out how to run our cars on water...or corn or whatever..because then all you people can starve. The only people I hate more then Arabs are Afghans.
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EXACTLY!! This thread is cracking me up!!!
In '04 they were calling us CT NUTS! Now HH6 is even on board with what's going on. Maybe there is hope! 8) 8) 8)
Wonder if Beach Bum can acknowledge the reason we're in the Middle East yet? It certainly has nothing to do with "TERROR". ;D
Bullshit.....go back to my posts. It was always for securing oil rights along with ensuring domestic security. It will be very interesting if we have to go into Syria what we find. None of which has anything to do with the thread.
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Bullshit.....go back to my posts. It was always for securing oil rights along with ensuring domestic security. It will be very interesting if we have to go into Syria what we find. None of which has anything to do with the thread.
Hey, Sorry.... I could be mistaken. 90% of this board though, was arguing that the though oil might even be a consideration was a ludicrous conspiracy theory.
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Dude....I hope one day we figure out how to run our cars on water...or corn or whatever..because then all you people can starve. The only people I hate more then Arabs are Afghans.
May God deprive you of all your wealth lest you abandon your evil quest.
Surah 8
36. The Unbelievers spend their wealth to hinder (man) from the path of Allah, and so will they continue to spend; but in the end they will have (only) regrets and sighs; at length they will be overcome: and the Unbelievers will be gathered together to Hell;-
37. In order that Allah may separate the impure from the pure, put the impure, one on another, heap them together, and cast them into Hell. They will be the ones to have lost.
38. Say to the Unbelievers, if (now) they desist (from Unbelief), their past would be forgiven them; but if they persist, the punishment of those before them is already (a matter of warning for them).
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If you haven't noticed no one gives a shit about you Koran, Moon cult passages
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ko ran? Sounds korean? Moonies? No, it's qur'an and we are not a cult or moon relating. I think you are refering to the ottoman crescent symbol. In Islam we do not worship the moon or anything in the creation only the creator. Worshipping the creation is disbelief and foreign to Islam, anyone who does so and claims to be a muslim has done a hineous sin and is not following Islam.
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ko ran? Sounds korean? Moonies? No, it's qur'an and we are not a cult or moon relating. I think you are refering to the ottoman crescent symbol. In Islam we do not worship the moon or anything in the creation only the creator. Worshipping the creation is disbelief and foreign to Islam, anyone who does so and claims to be a muslim has done a hineous sin and is not following Islam.
I guess you misunderstood, no one gives a shit period, about you, the qur'an, or any of the nonsense you post.
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I beg to differ. Only a weak minded individual will resort to slandering saying no one gives a shit about you, to try to silence the view that you hate to hear and at the same time try to slander so that no one can even have a chance to hear.
Nice try, but the truth prevails over falsehood. Even if you invest billions of dollars in repeating lies, the truth will prevail.
Evil men with evil intentions crumble in this world ultimately, their winning is not ever lasting. If you do not get served justice in this world, you will be served by God when your time comes.
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I beg to differ. Only a weak minded individual will resort to slandering saying no one gives a shit about you, to try to silence the view that you hate to hear and at the same time try to slander so that no one can even have a chance to hear.
Nice try, but the truth prevails over falsehood. Even if you invest billions of dollars in repeating lies, the truth will prevail.
Evil men with evil intentions crumble in this world ultimately, their winning is not ever lasting. If you do not get served justice in this world, you will be served by God when your time comes.
You hear that
It's the sound of no one caring
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I beg to differ. Only a weak minded individual will resort to slandering saying no one gives a shit about you, to try to silence the view that you hate to hear and at the same time try to slander so that no one can even have a chance to hear.
Nice try, but the truth prevails over falsehood. Even if you invest billions of dollars in repeating lies, the truth will prevail.
Evil men with evil intentions crumble in this world ultimately, their winning is not ever lasting. If you do not get served justice in this world, you will be served by God when your time comes.
There is no God, you small-dicked societal outcast. Fuck off, pedo.
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lol weakness is shining from all three of you :) When stumped with something you cannot debate against you resort to mockery.
You are sad souls. If only you had an ounce of fear of God, you would not be as vile and evil driven, hypocritical and double standard driven.
Yet again... just to reiterate... you slander Islam and Muslims, demonize and try to 'call out' when in fact you are the ones spreading terror on the earth, spreading corruption on the earth, waging wars, not caring about the lives and lands you destroy. Shame on you again and again.
Your bickering and name calling and slandering does you little good.
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lol weakness is shining from all three of you :) When stumped with something you cannot debate against you resort to mockery.
You are sad souls. If only you had an ounce of fear of God, you would not be as vile and evil driven, hypocritical and double standard driven.
Yet again... just to reiterate... you slander Islam and Muslims, demonize and try to 'call out' when in fact you are the ones spreading terror on the earth, spreading corruption on the earth, waging wars, not caring about the lives and lands you destroy. Shame on you again and again.
Your bickering and name calling and slandering does you little good.
We do not fear the invisible spaghetti monster.
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Of course not because you drew up a false idol. How can you fear something that cannot benefit you or harm you? Silly atheist.
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Of course not because you drew up a false idol. How can you fear something that cannot benefit you or harm you? Silly atheist.
I have no idol... That's the difference.
I do what's right because it's what's right, not because I fear some imaginary creature.
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Well God is not imaginary but your doodle idol noodle 'god' is your imagination
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lol weakness is shining from all three of you :) When stumped with something you cannot debate against you resort to mockery.
You are sad souls. If only you had an ounce of fear of God, you would not be as vile and evil driven, hypocritical and double standard driven.
Yet again... just to reiterate... you slander Islam and Muslims, demonize and try to 'call out' when in fact you are the ones spreading terror on the earth, spreading corruption on the earth, waging wars, not caring about the lives and lands you destroy. Shame on you again and again.
Your bickering and name calling and slandering does you little good.
I've repeatedly tried to have meaningful conversation with you, querying you about why you don't live in the Middle East, the status of the Middle East relative to the Western world, Operation Iraqi Freedom, your calling the treatment of Palestinians "genocide" despite their ever-growing population and living standards, and several other things besides. In each instance, I am either ignored, have my view mischaracterized, am told my evidence is evil propaganda (with no backing to such claims), given an Al Qaeda-sounding speech (like this post I'm quoting; and I'm serious, read the transcripts of bin Laden's words and you two sound more than a little similar), or directed to shitty Youtube videos.
Therefore, it is a complete waste of time to have a substantive conversation -- I'm not sure you've ever had such a thing about international politics -- and will instead have fun mocking you and eliciting more diatribes.
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Debate is where we post positions, information, etc..., you don't believe in that. You believe in slandering Islam and Muslims. Just ridicule. Look at yourself. You just posted that idiotic jewish commedian 'achhhmmeeed' (jew accent) photo.
Then there's the fact that you turn your face when the crimes of your government are mentioned. Where are the memorials for the million+ you have killed?
You are a hypocrite, double standard driven, evil intended rubbish individual.
Now you're putting words in my mouth? Calling me al-qaeda even? Didn't you tell me in another thread to 'suicide bomb myself'. Don't you see what a fool you are?
You have no intellectual merit only hate. If you are out for justice you would look first at the crimes you are committing against the muslim world, but again as a few of you mentioned you 'dont care'. Well whatever curse beholds you, you deserve it. Shame on you.
And you are a sick man, if you think palestinians 'growing' is 'evidence' that there is no genocide. You are a sick man.
There was barely any Jews in Palestine, then they suddenly exploded with populance? What happened? I guess that's what you think, but I thought they were being 'oppressed'? Oh wait that was hitler not the arabs be they muslim or christian.
Anyways this thread was about your deppressive suicidal soldiers who are taking their lives because they become mentally ill from what they do abroad to innoscent people. When you continue to do evil, your whole body, mind, heart and soul is overcome.
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(http://static.thepeoplescube.com/images/Caliphate_Map_Earth_on_Elephants.jpg)
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No that's the world according to some ignorant guy who fears Islam and Muslims and draws up ridiculous images.
The true colors of some people on here start to shine. It's pretty sad.
It's funny when we start talking about history or treatment of non-muslims under the caliphate and I start citing evidence you change topic and start ridicule yet again. One thing in one ear, out the other. Then you return to repeating your hatred and misinformation day in day out. Really really sad. May God guides you, you are only doing disservice to yourself if not at least harming others with your lies and hatred.
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(http://thepeoplescube.com/images/Taliban_Protester.jpg)
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Well God is not imaginary but your doodle idol noodle 'god' is your imagination
God is every bit as unprovable as the doodle idol noodle 'god'... that's the point.
Both have no reality... You can't touch them or they you... they can not make you do anything... they are both as imaginary as can be.
But don't take my word for it... You'll figure it out on your own.
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Can you touch numbers? Are they really real?
Silly atheist believing only what his human five senses can sense. Your sense of reality is only what you can sense with the 5 limited human senses. Then you can also be easily fooled if you only believe what you see or hear or sense.
Oh and I can touch your silly drawing and I know you drew it with your own hands. It's an idol and a false god, that is all :)
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Can you touch numbers? Are they really real?
Silly atheist believing only what his human five senses can sense. Your sense of reality is only what you can sense with the 5 limited human senses. Then you can also be easily fooled if you only believe what you see or hear or sense.
Oh and I can touch your silly drawing and I know you drew it with your own hands. It's an idol and a false god, that is all :)
You can touch things that represetn numbers... yes... and no... Ihave no idol... but whatever dude.
You are rambling now.
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Can you touch numbers? Are they really real?
Silly atheist believing only what his human five senses can sense. Your sense of reality is only what you can sense with the 5 limited human senses. Then you can also be easily fooled if you only believe what you see or hear or sense.
Oh and I can touch your silly drawing and I know you drew it with your own hands. It's an idol and a false god, that is all :)
Ironic considering Moohammed was nothing more than a fat, epileptic pedophile who, in a fit of rage and jealousy after being ostracized, conjured up some rantings and ravings about flying donkeys and the like. ::)
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Ironic considering Moohammed was nothing more than a fat, epileptic pedophile who, in a fit of rage and jealousy after being ostracized, conjured up some rantings and ravings about flying donkeys and the like. ::)
;D
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Ahmed makes a lot of valid points, and they are true, which is why he is hated so much in this thread...I am an American, I love my country...America must go to war to protect our interests which gives us the priviledged life that we have...We will have to pay for the harm our country has done at some point in the future...I hope it is after I am dead...I can speak for most Americans in that WE have not personally gone over there and fucked things up....Really it seems we have no choice in what our leaders do, and what they deem is in our best interest...If you say we do, with a revolution, i must laugh my head off...We would be slaughtered like sheep...Now im going to go back to my HDTV, and my bowl of cheerios, in my comfortable sofa, which Ahmed enjoys also from what i gathered in this thread....
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Ironic considering Moohammed was nothing more than a fat, epileptic pedophile who, in a fit of rage and jealousy after being ostracized, conjured up some rantings and ravings about flying donkeys and the like. ::)
Nice :D
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Ironic considering Moohammed was nothing more than a fat, epileptic pedophile who, in a fit of rage and jealousy after being ostracized, conjured up some rantings and ravings about flying donkeys and the like. ::)
:D
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Ahmed makes a lot of valid points, and they are true, which is why he is hated so much in this thread...I am an American, I love my country...America must go to war to protect our interests which gives us the priviledged life that we have...We will have to pay for the harm our country has done at some point in the future...I hope it is after I am dead...I can speak for most Americans in that WE have not personally gone over there and fucked things up....Really it seems we have no choice in what our leaders do, and what they deem is in our best interest...If you say we do, with a revolution, i must laugh my head off...We would be slaughtered like sheep...Now im going to go back to my HDTV, and my bowl of cheerios, in my comfortable sofa, which Ahmed enjoys also from what i gathered in this thread....
Solid, realistic point of view. 8)
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Ahmed makes a lot of valid points, and they are true, which is why he is hated so much in this thread...I am an American, I love my country...America must go to war to protect our interests which gives us the priviledged life that we have...We will have to pay for the harm our country has done at some point in the future...I hope it is after I am dead...I can speak for most Americans in that WE have not personally gone over there and fucked things up....Really it seems we have no choice in what our leaders do, and what they deem is in our best interest...If you say we do, with a revolution, i must laugh my head off...We would be slaughtered like sheep...Now im going to go back to my HDTV, and my bowl of cheerios, in my comfortable sofa, which Ahmed enjoys also from what i gathered in this thread....
I would ask you to identify which of ahmed's views is true. As far as I can tell they tend to be emotional and dramatic claims that are difficult to empirically evaluate because they aren't even asserting facts. The few that do are plainly wrong, as when he calls the treatment of Palestinians "genocide," even though their population has burgeoned since 1948 and is set to experience a major boom. This is by definition false as "genocide" simply means to systematically eliminate a population.
Also, ahmed apparently resides in a major Western power that is entirely complicit in the "crimes" he regularly rails against, contributing tax dollars to that country's support of America's oversees operations. He is thus complicit in kafir imperialist ventures by helping to pay for them, giving his rants on the evils of the West an ironic undertone.
Regarding his lectures on the superiority of Islam, he lives in the West even though Sharia is being implemented to varying degrees in a variety of countries around the world. He can choose the place that implements Sharia to the exact degree he thinks is legitimately divine law, yet instead cowers in the West and enjoys its public goods and other material benefits. Again, this gives his Islamic rants yet another tinge of irony and shows where his heart really is.
Ahmed thus instantiates Kufrul-Nifaaq, Kufrul-Istibdaal, and, I'm sure if we dug deep enough, Kufrul-Istihaal (in other words, he is a huge hypocrite). No wonder he incites such reactions!
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I would ask you to identify which of ahmed's views is true. As far as I can tell they tend to be emotional and dramatic claims that are difficult to empirically evaluate because they aren't even asserting facts. The few that do are plainly wrong, as when he calls the treatment of Palestinians "genocide," even though their population has burgeoned since 1948 and is set to experience a major boom. This is by definition false as "genocide" simply means to systematically eliminate a population.
Also, ahmed apparently resides in a major Western power that is entirely complicit in the "crimes" he regularly rails against, contributing tax dollars to that country's support of America's oversees operations. He is thus complicit in kafir imperialist ventures by helping to pay for them, giving his rants on the evils of the West an ironic undertone.
Regarding his lectures on the superiority of Islam, he lives in the West even though Sharia is being implemented to varying degrees in a variety of countries around the world. He can choose the place that implements Sharia to the exact degree he thinks is legitimately divine law, yet instead cowers in the West and enjoys its public goods and other material benefits. Again, this gives his Islamic rants yet another tinge of irony and shows where his heart really is.
Ahmed thus instantiates Kufrul-Nifaaq, Kufrul-Istibdaal, and, I'm sure if we dug deep enough, Kufrul-Istihaal (in other words, he is a huge hypocrite). No wonder he incites such reactions!
You are obviously well educated on the Middle East...Thank you for your reply and the points you made...
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I would ask you to identify which of ahmed's views is true. As far as I can tell they tend to be emotional and dramatic claims that are difficult to empirically evaluate because they aren't even asserting facts. The few that do are plainly wrong, as when he calls the treatment of Palestinians "genocide," even though their population has burgeoned since 1948 and is set to experience a major boom. This is by definition false as "genocide" simply means to systematically eliminate a population.
Also, ahmed apparently resides in a major Western power that is entirely complicit in the "crimes" he regularly rails against, contributing tax dollars to that country's support of America's oversees operations. He is thus complicit in kafir imperialist ventures by helping to pay for them, giving his rants on the evils of the West an ironic undertone.
Regarding his lectures on the superiority of Islam, he lives in the West even though Sharia is being implemented to varying degrees in a variety of countries around the world. He can choose the place that implements Sharia to the exact degree he thinks is legitimately divine law, yet instead cowers in the West and enjoys its public goods and other material benefits. Again, this gives his Islamic rants yet another tinge of irony and shows where his heart really is.
Ahmed thus instantiates Kufrul-Nifaaq, Kufrul-Istibdaal, and, I'm sure if we dug deep enough, Kufrul-Istihaal (in other words, he is a huge hypocrite). No wonder he incites such reactions!
BOOOM. Nice
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How can one talk to a guy who is delusional of the genocide against Palestinians?
It's funny how avoids threads where evidence is posted of the criminal israeli thugs and what they do. Only when not in my presence does he talk big shot about how he knows about the middle east and i supposedly don't :)
Israel is America's true enemy not Muslims.
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How can one talk to a guy who is delusional of the genocide against Palestinians?
It's funny how avoids threads where evidence is posted of the criminal israeli thugs and what they do. Only when not in my presence does he talk big shot about how he knows about the middle east and i supposedly don't :)
Israel is America's true enemy not Muslims.
Youtube videos do not constitute evidence, and the Palestinians aren't facing a genocide by definition, i.e., in virtue of what the word "genocide" means. I'll attribute your continued confusion over the matter to English not being your first language rather than a less charitable explanation.
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Spare me the bullshit semantics for someone ignorant that belives in CNN and FOX and what the american government says.
Even if its not systematic rapid genocide like that of the nazis what they did to jews or what the serb cetnicks did to Bosniak Muslims or Croat catholics does not mean it is not genocide. IT IS a systematic eradication of a people, in population, deportation, deprivation, humiliation, destruction of homes, theft of land, etc... and for 50+ some years. BY ANY means necessary.
Somehow hitler didnt' get away with 'check points' and 'security fences' but the israelis can?
Security this security that, that's what all tyrants use to enslave populations.
Anyone with an ounce of history will realize a people who came with a
'bible in one hand a rifle in the other' and proudly say so, proudly celebrate their creation of terrorism, are not a people of peace, not a people of God, they came to systematically take over the land of the original inhabitants and to RETAIN IT for themselves by any means necessary.
Israel was created through terrorism and it is maintained through terrorism. Deception is but a tool
Israel even FUNDS ex-soldiers to go on internet forums, chat rooms such as IRC, etc... etc.. to BOAST pro-israeli views, they get PAID to lie in the name of israel and to demonize those who expose Israel for what it is. That's how LOW these people go to cover up what they have been doing in the last 50 somje years.
Zionists even resort to COMPUTER ANIMATED videos to FAKE attacks and victimhood... yet will try to cover up any time they kill or bulldoze palestinians or palestinian homes.
SICKNESS, these people are SICK and they are what they are. Not all jews are zionists and not all zionists are jews. Scum are zionists they can be any race.
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Spare me the bullshit semantics for someone ignorant that belives in CNN and FOX and what the american government says.
Even if its not systematic rapid genocide like that of the nazis what they did to jews or what the serb cetnicks did to Bosniak Muslims or Croat catholics does not mean it is not genocide. IT IS a systematic eradication of a people, in population, deportation, deprivation, humiliation, destruction of homes, theft of land, etc... and for 50+ some years. BY ANY means necessary.
Somehow hitler didnt' get away with 'check points' and 'security fences' but the israelis can?
Security this security that, that's what all tyrants use to enslave populations.
Anyone with an ounce of history will realize a people who came with a
'bible in one hand a rifle in the other' and proudly say so, proudly celebrate their creation of terrorism, are not a people of peace, not a people of God, they came to systematically take over the land of the original inhabitants and to RETAIN IT for themselves by any means necessary.
Israel was created through terrorism and it is maintained through terrorism. Deception is but a tool
Israel even FUNDS ex-soldiers to go on internet forums, chat rooms such as IRC, etc... etc.. to BOAST pro-israeli views, they get PAID to lie in the name of israel and to demonize those who expose Israel for what it is. That's how LOW these people go to cover up what they have been doing in the last 50 somje years.
Zionists even resort to COMPUTER ANIMATED videos to FAKE attacks and victimhood... yet will try to cover up any time they kill or bulldoze palestinians or palestinian homes.
SICKNESS, these people are SICK and they are what they are. Not all jews are zionists and not all zionists are jews. Scum are zionists they can be any race.
lol, learning everything through the internets makes the world so black and white!
RESUME
a_ahmed
SKILLS
-Excellent confirmation bias, meaning I will only look for information that I agree with
-Excellent Youtube video posting skills
-Extensive research ability (I can find information on approximately THREE websites!!!11)
-Can serve as a fluffer at meetings as needed
EDUCATION
Teh Internets International Relations Scholar Graduated 2012
-I have learned everything there is to know about world politics on the internet because the world really is that simple, damnit!
EXPERIENCE
-I have extensive, demonstrable experience arguing for my preconceived beliefs on internet message boards, an essential skill that makes me a less fungible candidate than those that don't have this unique experience.
If I were a hiring manager at a think tank, governmental agency, non-profit organization, advocacy group, political party, or literally any job involving politics at all, I would certainly HIRE THIS ERUDITE POLITICAL SCIENTIST!!!11
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lol, learning everything through the internets makes the world so black and white!
RESUME
a_ahmed
SKILLS
-Excellent confirmation bias, meaning I will only look for information that I agree with
-Excellent Youtube video posting skills
-Extensive research ability (I can find information on approximately THREE websites!!!11)
-Can serve as a fluffer at meetings as needed
EDUCATION
Teh Internets International Relations Scholar Graduated 2012
-I have learned everything there is to know about world politics on the internet because the world really is that simple, damnit!
EXPERIENCE
-I have extensive, demonstrable experience arguing for my preconceived beliefs on internet message boards, an essential skill that makes me a less fungible candidate than those that don't have this unique experience.
If I were a hiring manager at a think tank, governmental agency, non-profit organization, advocacy group, political party, or literally any job involving politics at all, I would certainly HIRE THIS ERUDITE POLITICAL SCIENTIST!!!11
Lol.
He knows everything for a fact, just ask him.