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Jamie Coots Dead -- 'Snake Salvation' Star Pastor Dies From Holy Snakebite
'Snake Salvation' Star
Dies From Holy Snakebite
2/16/2014 12:48 AM PST BY TMZ STAFF
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The pastor on Nat. Geo's "Snake Salvation" died Saturday night ... after one of the snakes to which he prays bit him.
Pentecostal pastor Jamie Coots suffered the fatal attack while preaching to his Kentucky congregation.
Emergency units raced to the church ... but the reality star had already left and gone home.
The show's website explains the Pastor and his followers believe the Bible says a poisonous snakebite will not harm them as long as they are anointed by God’s power.
EMTs went to Coots' home but he sent them away ... refusing care ... an hour later he was dead.
It's unclear if they were filming during the sermon.
A rep for the show says the "Snake Salvation" finished filming last year ... and they never intended to film a second season.
Read more: http://www.tmz.com/2014/02/16/snake-salvation-pastor-jamie-coots-dead-dies-nat-geo/#ixzz2tZ0gZAfz
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because God gave the man and the snake free will. ::)
i thought this video was interesting
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Darwinism at work. 8)
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Snake salvation of peace.
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What an idiot. Who the hell plays with poisonous snakes? Religious stupidity at its finest.
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What is telling is that they use Timber Rattlesnakes and Copperheads, which in that area are readily available...and their venom is not as potent as say a Fer-De-Lance, Western Diamondback, Bushmaster or other vipers.
Had they been using those, this congregation would cease to exist, because they all would be killed off or using that misinterpretation of the scripture would be deemed too dangerous...
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He is in heaven now :D
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Because he's an idiot, and God wants him to die so He can tell him firsthand.
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Because he's an idiot, and God wants him to die so He can tell him firsthand.
Why did god create idiots in the first place? Just to kill them? Sound evil as fuck.
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Why did god create idiots in the first place? Just to kill them? Sound evil as fuck.
When God created Adam, he gave him a perfect environment in Eden with everything he needed. There was only one rule, to not eat from the Tree of Knowledge.
Why did God put the Tree of Knowledge in the garden if He knew that Adam would eventually disobey, and eat from it? A) Because God wanted Adam to choose to obey, and love God, rather than being programmed (like the animals are) to do X, Y, Z.
Thats a very long story short, but to summarise and answer your question bro - God didn't create idiots, Adam made a very bad decision that altered the course of humanity and lead us to the kind of offspring we are procreating now.
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When God created Adam, he gave him a perfect environment in Eden with everything he needed. There was only one rule, to not eat from the Tree of Knowledge.
Why did God put the Tree of Knowledge in the garden if He knew that Adam would eventually disobey, and eat from it? A) Because God wanted Adam to choose to obey, and love God, rather than being programmed (like the animals are) to do X, Y, Z.
Thats a very long story short, but to summarise and answer your question bro - God didn't create idiots, Adam made a very bad decision that altered the course of humanity and lead us to the kind of offspring we are procreating now.
Adam listened to Eve...she was threatening to with-hold sex. Then as is now, will a son listen to his father or will he listen to the woman he is hitting off? Particularly if she is the only woman...
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King James Version (KJV)
Mark 16:17-18
17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.
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I can't understand how State laws that ban snake handling haven't been struck down as clear violations of the first amendment?
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New International Version (NIV)
Matthew 4:7
7 Jesus answered him, “It is also written: ‘Do not put the Lord your God to the test.’[a]”
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I can't understand how State laws that ban snake handling haven't been struck down as clear violations of the first amendment?
There are a lot of snake handlers on getbig Roger
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There are a lot of snake handlers on getbig Roger
haha!! the faggot waggon stops here
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haha!! the faggot waggon stops here
Don't get me wrong Roger, I am 100% secure in my sexuality and have no problem sharing a bed with some friends on summer holidays to the equator to keep warm.
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Don't get me wrong Roger, I am 100% secure in my sexuality and have no problem sharing a bed with some friends on summer holidays to the equator to keep warm.
Oh yeah, I've also been known to shower with friends to conserve water while "roughing it" in Uganda.
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Oh yeah, I've also been known to shower with friends to conserve water while "roughing it" in Uganda.
That's the spirit bro, at the end of the day being secure in yourself and knowing who you really are is more important than acting all macho in front of your friends, and pretending to not like it when your mate sucks you off. When it boils down to it, its probably more gay to be fake to your true self
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That's the spirit bro, at the end of the day being secure in yourself and knowing who you really are is more important than acting all macho in front of your friends, and pretending to not like it when your mate sucks you off. When it boils down to it, its probably more gay to be fake to your true self
Thanks!! I'm glad we had this conversation!!
It's like when your friend bumps into you accidentally cause he has soap in his eyes or whatever and his pecker accidentally penetrates you. Big deal, lets be adults. If you think I let it bother me you're kidding yourself...
At the end of the day, it's only gay if you want it to be.
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No worries bro! I'm so glad we can speak about these things like real man in our pms (obviously I wouldnt put this shit on the mains - lot of closets on their who will take it the wrong way ::))
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fuck wrong tab open, how do you delete posts
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fuck wrong tab open, how do you delete posts
lol I was trying to tell you!!!!!!!!!!1 :-[ :-[ :-[
i did the same thing, just now noticed the title. It's easy since we both use imac compters
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Maybe God wanted him for himself?
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Adonis I want to help you why dont we have bible classes on skype and we can read the good book together, I want to see you get baptize in the name of the lord.
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Jamie Coots Dead -- 'Snake Salvation' Star Pastor Dies From Holy Snakebite
'Snake Salvation' Star
Dies From Holy Snakebite
The pastor on Nat. Geo's "Snake Salvation" died Saturday night ... after one of the snakes to which he prays bit him.
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This group wouldn't exist in Australia, not with the venomous snakes there. Nor in Africa, or South America. Only in an area that had snakes whose venom is not as toxic.
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god was busy, we were chatting about things, this one slipped under his radar
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King James Version (KJV)
Mark 16:17-18
17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.
Don't remember exactly when because it's been awhile since I cared enough to study it, but these verses didn't appear in the earliest manuscripts and were added centuries later. I believe in todays versions there are footnotes indicating this. Not that this kind of crap wouldn't be in there originally anyway.. I just find it odd people are risking their lives on something that wasn't in the bible in the first place
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When God created Adam, he gave him a perfect environment in Eden with everything he needed. There was only one rule, to not eat from the Tree of Knowledge.
Why did God put the Tree of Knowledge in the garden if He knew that Adam would eventually disobey, and eat from it? A) Because God wanted Adam to choose to obey, and love God, rather than being programmed (like the animals are) to do X, Y, Z.
Thats a very long story short, but to summarise and answer your question bro - God didn't create idiots, Adam made a very bad decision that altered the course of humanity and lead us to the kind of offspring we are procreating now.
Make sense to me
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This group wouldn't exist in Australia, not with the venomous snakes there. Nor in Africa, or South America. Only in an area that had snakes whose venom is not as toxic.
If this congregation wanna play with true vipers, I will order them a case of gaboon and puff adders vipers......they're very effective.... ;D
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Don't remember exactly when because it's been awhile since I cared enough to study it, but these verses didn't appear in the earliest manuscripts and were added centuries later. I believe in todays versions there are footnotes indicating this. Not that this kind of crap wouldn't be in there originally anyway.. I just find it odd people are risking their lives on something that wasn't in the bible in the first place
Close. What in fact happened was that 2 codexes (old copies of the new testatment) were discovered at a monastry in Eygpt. One was dated around 300 AD, and the other about 500 AD. Both had the last section of Mark missing, where Jesus appears to His disciples after His death. A massive conculsion is then jumped to, and it's said that these verses must have been added centuries after to support the ressurection account.
Very basic scholarly error. Because it's old, it must be more accurate ::) What they will neglect to mention, is that there were sects that broke off from the mainstream believers, as soon as even 50 years after the Death of Christ, and they purported to believe that Jesus didn't rise from the dead. Very probably that the verses in Mark were TAKEN OUT by a few copiers, for their own means, rather than assuming that the verses were ADDED.
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Then Jesus was led by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted by the devil. After fasting forty days and forty nights, he was hungry. The tempter came to him and said, “If you are the Son of God, tell these stones to become bread.”
Jesus answered, “It is written: ‘Man shall not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God.’”
Then the devil took him to the holy city and had him stand on the highest point of the temple. “If you are the Son of God,” he said, “throw yourself down. For it is written:
“‘He will command his angels concerning you,
and they will lift you up in their hands,
so that you will not strike your foot against a stone.
Jesus answered him, “It is also written: ‘Do not put the Lord your God to the test.
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Very apt verse.
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Reminds me of the Native American story of the woman who found a baby snake dying and nursed it back to health and raised it as her pet and years later he turned and viciously bit her and she said "why did you do that?" and he said " because I am a snake Bitch."
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Then Jesus was led by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted by the devil. After fasting forty days and forty nights, he was hungry. The tempter came to him and said, “If you are the Son of God, tell these stones to become bread.”
Jesus answered, “It is written: ‘Man shall not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God.’”
Then the devil took him to the holy city and had him stand on the highest point of the temple. “If you are the Son of God,” he said, “throw yourself down. For it is written:
“‘He will command his angels concerning you,
and they will lift you up in their hands,
so that you will not strike your foot against a stone.
Jesus answered him, “It is also written: ‘Do not put the Lord your God to the test.
What would happen to Jesus if he had jumped knowing that he had the power to land on his two feet or float in the air?.....maybe the devil knew he had a weakness or he was just fooling around with him to see if Jesus would actually jump....it would have been interesting had Jesus jumped... ;D
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What an idiot. I walked up on a rattlesnake on a jobsite one time, and to hear the rattle getting closer and faster was one of the eeriest moments in my life. I immediately backed up slowly and left.
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Remember what I said about liberals and atheists being the most miserable people on the planet? This post proves it. But to answer your question. Dude was an idiot.
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What an idiot. I walked up on a rattlesnake on a jobsite one time, and to hear the rattle getting closer and faster was one of the eeriest moments in my life. I immediately backed up slowly and left.
Kanye West should have done the same thing
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if god wanted him to die
why does he allow evil to flourish in the world
why aren't pedophiles struck down
why do innocent children die all the time
life is a series of random events its as simple as that
religion cannot be argued on any intellectual level
that's why it requires belief
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if god wanted him to die
why does he allow evil to flourish in the world
why aren't pedophiles struck down
why do innocent children die all the time
life is a series of random events its as simple as that
religion cannot be argued on any intellectual level
that's why it requires belief
God is not the author of evil but he did create us as real human beings with the ability to love and follow him or not, Unfortunately we chose the not, and brought sin and evil into the picture, God will judge and wipe out evil, he's chosen not to yet, out of patience for us and for our friends.
Remember that God suffered also through Jesus Christ who died for our sins.
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When God created Adam, he gave him a perfect environment in Eden with everything he needed. There was only one rule, to not eat from the Tree of Knowledge.
Why did God put the Tree of Knowledge in the garden if He knew that Adam would eventually disobey, and eat from it? A) Because God wanted Adam to choose to obey, and love God, rather than being programmed (like the animals are) to do X, Y, Z.
Thats a very long story short, but to summarise and answer your question bro - God didn't create idiots, Adam made a very bad decision that altered the course of humanity and lead us to the kind of offspring we are procreating now.
The holy bible says that God is the all-knowing creator of everything. Since God is all-knowing, he already knows the answers. For example, something as simple as "Where are you?" is unnecessary for an all-knowing being. God knows EVERYTHING, so there is no need for him to ask any question of anyone.
So he knew that adam would sin. That is evil shit.
Why does the snake priest get punished by god because of Adams choices?
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God is not the author of evil but he did create us as real human beings with the ability to love and follow him or not, Unfortunately we chose the not, and brought sin and evil into the picture, God will judge and wipe out evil, he's chosen not to yet, out of patience for us and for our friends.
Remember that God suffered also through Jesus Christ who died for our sins.
why would god allow the catholic church to be a breeding ground for pedophiles
how would he allow the pope his vehicle on earth to cover that shit up
the harsh reality is religion is about our struggle to accept our mortality
isn't it convenient to think that we go to paradise when we die
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The holy bible says that God is the all-knowing creator of everything. Since God is all-knowing, he already knows the answers. For example, something as simple as "Where are you?" is unnecessary for an all-knowing being. God knows EVERYTHING, so there is no need for him to ask any question of anyone.
So he knew that adam would sin. That is evil shit.
Why does the snake priest get punished by god because of Adams choices?
Whenever I have a question about the bible, God or theology and the notion of "God needing something" begins to arise I simply stop (because my thinking is already in error) and then reframe my question and consider the biblical context in terms of what I need (or people in general need) of God.
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Whenever I have a question about the bible, God or theology and the notion of "God needing something" begins to arise I simply stop (because my thinking is already in error) and then reframe my question and consider the biblical context in terms of what I need (or people in general need) of God.
Good point MOS. Sometimes we need to stop at "Why God would do x y z". I'm sure He knows why He did it, and answers to no man. All I know, is that God is good to me and faithful and I just trust in His word and try my best.
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Close. What in fact happened was that 2 codexes (old copies of the new testatment) were discovered at a monastry in Eygpt. One was dated around 300 AD, and the other about 500 AD. Both had the last section of Mark missing, where Jesus appears to His disciples after His death. A massive conculsion is then jumped to, and it's said that these verses must have been added centuries after to support the ressurection account.
Very basic scholarly error. Because it's old, it must be more accurate ::) What they will neglect to mention, is that there were sects that broke off from the mainstream believers, as soon as even 50 years after the Death of Christ, and they purported to believe that Jesus didn't rise from the dead. Very probably that the verses in Mark were TAKEN OUT by a few copiers, for their own means, rather than assuming that the verses were ADDED.
right.. ;)
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God is not the author of evil but he did create us as real human beings with the ability to love and follow him or not, Unfortunately we chose the not, and brought sin and evil into the picture, God will judge and wipe out evil, he's chosen not to yet, out of patience for us and for our friends.
Remember that God suffered also through Jesus Christ who died for our sins.
Isaiah 45:7 says god created evil
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A more pertinent question would be: Why the fuck didn't his family and friends call 911 the moment he went unconscious? Anyone at his side should be charged with involuntary manslaughter. ???
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Good point MOS. Sometimes we need to stop at "Why God would do x y z". I'm sure He knows why He did it, and answers to no man. All I know, is that God is good to me and faithful and I just trust in His word and try my best.
Exactly, we need not question what God needs as he needs nothing from us.....it's always about what we need of him.
For example, instances in scripture of God "changing his mind" or asking Adam and Eve "where are you hiding" are not based on the needs of God.....he's simply engaging us so that we may learn what we need in order to draw closer to him and his will for us.
He wants us to choose his will for our lives, but he honors our choice to reject his will for us also. Our choice to choose God is completely pure because he's allowed us to make that decision amidst every other potential option including the option to choose evil and all that stands opposed to God.
Don't want God? You never have to have him.
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Organised religion is for dumbasses who have submitted to a mind virus and abdicated from critical thinking. Pity those fools and laugh at their utter stupidity as they all talk about their fiary stories from yesteryear.
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Isaiah 45:7 says god created evil
So does the book of Amos:
Amos 3:6
King James Version (KJV)
6 Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the Lord hath not done it?
The KJV of the bible uses the term evil differently in different contexts....we don't speak like that today.
Modern readers don't use the word "evil" to describe "calamity and destruction" today and this is exactly how the term evil was used in the context of the verse you cite and I cite out of the KJV.
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So does the book of Amos:
Amos 3:6
King James Version (KJV)
6 Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the Lord hath not done it?
The KJV of the bible uses the term evil differently in different contexts....we don't speak like that today.
Modern readers don't use the word "evil" to describe "calamity and destruction" today and this is exactly how the term evil was used in the context of the verse you cite and I cite out of the KJV.
answer my two points please
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answer my two points please
Sorry, I haven't read all the comments in this thread. What are your questions? I'll do my best.
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why would god allow the catholic church to be a breeding ground for pedophiles
how would he allow the pope his vehicle on earth to cover that shit up
the harsh reality is religion is about our struggle to accept our mortality
isn't it convenient to think that we go to paradise when we die
this
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this
This is a larger question, but I will answer in a couple of hours when I free up more.
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Good point MOS. Sometimes we need to stop at "Why God would do x y z". I'm sure He knows why He did it, and answers to no man. All I know, is that God is good to me and faithful and I just trust in His word and try my best.
Do you ever question authority? That was the saddest post in getbigs history. God did an evil thing so it must be right in some way because he is god :-\
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God does not allow or disallow.....he just gives rope (free will), you choose to climb out of the shit and muck, or hand yourself with it.....
If you ask for help, he listens but its up to him if he stretches out his hand or not (his free will)....
Hope this helps. That simple.
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God does not allow or disallow.....he just gives rope (free will), you choose to climb out of the shit and muck, or hand yourself with it.....
If you ask for help, he listens but its up to him if he stretches out his hand or not (his free will)....
Hope this helps. That simple.
If God is all knowing then why would he give freewill, he already knows your decisions before you make them.
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You've got to love the circular logic of religion
1. Man attempts dangerous act to show his faith in 'local diety'
2. Man's faith is rewarded by local deity and he lives
3. Man's triumph is displayed to non-believers as proof of 'local deity'
4. Man gets societal rewards for triumph (TV show, Money, Celebrity status)
5. Man attempts dangerous act again to show his faith in 'local deity'
6. Man is killed despite protestations of faith to 'local deity'
7. Man's death is displayed to non-believers as proof of 'local deity'
8. The End
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If God is all knowing then why would he give freewill, he already knows your decisions before you make them.
He knows all possible outcomes but he doesnt know which one you will pick.....he lets you surprise or disappoint him.
I also have trouble with all knowing.....maybe all of the past and none of the future. Thats all knowing!
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and in before some idiot asks about the trinity...
Imagine the Sun...physical body, gives off heat and light 3 separate but yet one.
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He knows all possible outcomes but he doesnt know which one you will pick.....he lets you surprise or disappoint him.
I also have trouble with all knowing.....maybe all of the past and none of the future. Thats all knowing!
According to the bible he is all knowing you ignorant twat! Just admit that you have never read the bible.
Great is our Lord and mighty in power;
his understanding has no limit.
1 Samuel 2:3
Talk no more so very proudly,
let not arrogance come from your mouth;
for the LORD is a God of knowledge,
and by him actions are weighed.
Isaiah 55:9
For as the heavens are higher than the earth,
so are my ways higher than your ways
and my thoughts than your thoughts.
Job 28:24
For he looks to the ends of the earth
and sees everything under the heavens.
1 John 3:19-20
By this we shall know that we are of the truth and reassure our heart before him; for whenever our heart condemns us, God is greater than our heart, and he knows everything.
Hebrews 4:13
And no creature is hidden from his sight, but all are naked and exposed to the eyes of him to whom we must give account.
Isaiah 46:9
I am God, and there is none like me,
declaring the end from the beginning
and from ancient times things not yet done.
Matthew 10:30
But even the hairs of your head are all numbered.
Psalm 139:4
Even before a word is on my tongue,
behold, O LORD, you know it altogether.
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and in before some idiot asks about the trinity...
Imagine the Sun...physical body, gives off heat and light 3 separate but yet one.
Or consider time in past, present and future.
Or matter in solid, liquid or gas.
Or measurements in height, width and depth.
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According to the bible he is all knowing you ignorant twat! Just admit that you have never read the bible.
Great is our Lord and mighty in power;
his understanding has no limit.
1 Samuel 2:3
Talk no more so very proudly,
let not arrogance come from your mouth;
for the LORD is a God of knowledge,
and by him actions are weighed.
Isaiah 55:9
For as the heavens are higher than the earth,
so are my ways higher than your ways
and my thoughts than your thoughts.
Job 28:24
For he looks to the ends of the earth
and sees everything under the heavens.
1 John 3:19-20
By this we shall know that we are of the truth and reassure our heart before him; for whenever our heart condemns us, God is greater than our heart, and he knows everything.
Hebrews 4:13
And no creature is hidden from his sight, but all are naked and exposed to the eyes of him to whom we must give account.
Isaiah 46:9
I am God, and there is none like me,
declaring the end from the beginning
and from ancient times things not yet done.
Matthew 10:30
But even the hairs of your head are all numbered.
Psalm 139:4
Even before a word is on my tongue,
behold, O LORD, you know it altogether.
Are you suggesting that God's foreknowledge or God's complete knowledge or God's infinite knowledge negates your finite ability to freely choose?
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According to the bible he is all knowing you ignorant twat! Just admit that you have never read the bible.
Great is our Lord and mighty in power;
his understanding has no limit.
1 Samuel 2:3
Talk no more so very proudly,
let not arrogance come from your mouth;
for the LORD is a God of knowledge,
and by him actions are weighed.
Isaiah 55:9
For as the heavens are higher than the earth,
so are my ways higher than your ways
and my thoughts than your thoughts.
Job 28:24
For he looks to the ends of the earth
and sees everything under the heavens.
1 John 3:19-20
By this we shall know that we are of the truth and reassure our heart before him; for whenever our heart condemns us, God is greater than our heart, and he knows everything.
Hebrews 4:13
And no creature is hidden from his sight, but all are naked and exposed to the eyes of him to whom we must give account.
Isaiah 46:9
I am God, and there is none like me,
declaring the end from the beginning
and from ancient times things not yet done.
Matthew 10:30
But even the hairs of your head are all numbered.
Psalm 139:4
Even before a word is on my tongue,
behold, O LORD, you know it altogether.
fuck you....but have a nice day ::)
Not one verse states that he knows your outcome in life, now crawl back into your boyfriends ass
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Are you suggesting that God's foreknowledge or God's complete knowledge or God's infinite knowledge negates your finite ability to freely choose?
I like my reply better ;D
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A more pertinent question would be: Why the fuck didn't his family and friends call 911 the moment he went unconscious? Anyone at his side should be charged with involuntary manslaughter. ???
agreed
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god has it good
if good things happen to his followers he gets all the credit
if bad things happen to his followers then that's mans free will
talk about having your cake and eating it
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god has it good
if good things happen to his followers he gets all the credit
if bad things happen to his followers then that's mans free will
talk about having your cake and eating it
You're simplifying to too much bro, but I see where you're coming from.
Imagine this though, what if God was exactly as you say, He's got every right. What will you gain by ignoring Him, if He's the one that lets you into heaven, or casts your soul into hell?
Not saying that's my theology, but a thought.
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You're simplifying to too much bro, but I see where you're coming from.
Imagine this though, what if God was exactly as you say, He's got every right. What will you gain by ignoring Him, if He's the one that lets you into heaven, or casts your soul into hell?
Not saying that's my theology, but a thought.
i used to believe mate
ive seen too much evil in the world
i cant believe that a force for good all knowing and all powerful
would stand by idle and watch priests in his name abuse innocent children
or watch tribes committing genocide
it doesn't add up
all i can do is protect what i can
and i intervene if i see people doing bad
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why would god allow the catholic church to be a breeding ground for pedophiles
how would he allow the pope his vehicle on earth to cover that shit up
the harsh reality is religion is about our struggle to accept our mortality
isn't it convenient to think that we go to paradise when we die
Decided to keep my initial response simple.
Is it your belief that God wills the abuse of children and the breeding of pedophiles in the catholic church?
Are you of the opinion that those evil acts of men coincide with God’s qualities of grace, justice, peace, mercy and love?
I do think that some religion is about struggling with death, but faith in Jesus Christ is about life and divine purpose in our existence.
I think the notion of paradise is relative. Some want nothing to do with God both now and forever and for those same folks spending an eternity with God where he resides would be hell for them.
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"God" ::)
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God :)
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Thinning of chaff from the gene pool
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Same reason "god" didn't protect those god-fearing, church-going, gun-loving parents of those kids that got shot in Connecticut or Virginia Tech, or any other place. He doesn't give a fuck about your stupid hero worship. He just runs the universe like a boss. I think of god, if he even exists, as the Architect in the Matrix films.
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Same reason "god" didn't protect those god-fearing, church-going, gun-loving parents of those kids that got shot in Connecticut or Virginia Tech, or any other place. He doesn't give a fuck about your stupid hero worship. He just runs the universe like a boss. I think of god, if he even exists, as the Architect in the Matrix films.
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I think religion has pretty much been marginalized in Western European society. I'm not making a value judgment, I just think that's how it is. However, I don't see why people like the OP, and others, seem to have this compulsion to discredit it, and believers, every chance they get. Who really cares at this point? If this gets them through the day, why rain on their parade?
I think the exception is the United States. It is a country unlike any other Western country in its continued adherence to Christianity, supersition, and belief in cosmic forces in general. It's far from marginal there; if anything, it has a strong impact on foreign policy and even legislation.
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Some want nothing to do with God both now and forever and for those same folks spending an eternity with God where he resides would be hell for them.
people want nothing to do with God? Not at all. Some people don't want to accept God as an invisible, inaudible, no show entity. It's more like God wants to do nothing with people by the looks of it.
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MOS, I had that scene in mind when I said "I think of...". Seemed to fit perfectly with that movie, which was hilarious btw.
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I don't see any threads started by the religious among the Getbiggers....
But a steady stream of anti-God bitter pickle swallowers...
I'm sorry your life is a miserable piece of shit and you hate everything around you....the hole you try and fill with your pathetic attempts to create misery to all around you, just makes us laugh louder at your sad angry state. This is a generalization to all the angry little dwarfs infesting this site....LOL
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Decided to keep my initial response simple.
Is it your belief that God wills the abuse of children and the breeding of pedophiles in the catholic church?
Are you of the opinion that those evil acts of men coincide with God’s qualities of grace, justice, peace, mercy and love?
I do think that some religion is about struggling with death, but faith in Jesus Christ is about life and divine purpose in our existence.
I think the notion of paradise is relative. Some want nothing to do with God both now and forever and for those same folks spending an eternity with God where he resides would be hell for them.
i dont believe in god
you havent answered my question
i simply ask you to answer it rather than turn it on me
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I don't see any threads started by the religious among the Getbiggers....
But a steady stream of anti-God bitter pickle swallowers...
I'm sorry your life is a miserable piece of shit and you hate everything around you....the hole you try and fill with your pathetic attempts to create misery to all around you, just makes us laugh louder at your sad angry state. This is a generalization to all the angry little dwarfs infesting this site....LOL
worst meltdown ever
i didnt have you down as stupid
are you incapable of free thinking
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You're right to some extent, but w/ abortion, gay marriage, etc., those days are coming to an end.
Those are mostly laws that were passed from above in the teeth of opposition from a solid 50% of the country. Not everything that becomes standard practice is done with the blessing of the American people. Go to any town in the Midwest, South, even the Northeast and you'll find 8 out of 10 people don't support this President or his progressive agenda. Religion is very strong in America. Politicians are always out of touch with what the average person wants. The best proof is that plebiscites on gay marriage in "liberal" states like California failed to find enough support to go through. So far, the same has been true for legalizing marijuana in every state it was proposed except Colorado.
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People who believe in god and study the bible does not ask these questions because they know the answer, its only stupid people like adonis because he does not believe in anything so he has to question himself and everything.
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why would god allow the catholic church to be a breeding ground for pedophiles
how would he allow the pope his vehicle on earth to cover that shit up
the harsh reality is religion is about our struggle to accept our mortality
isn't it convenient to think that we go to paradise when we die
I'll answer it...
God does not administer the Catholic Church nor interfere with the will of men, evil men have free will and reign to do as they will. Judgement will come, to all at some point. The central point that you miss is that this life is short....and he judges it as it ends, taxes and death.
Master and Margarette by Bulgakov.... get a chance read it, a lot of your questions answered.
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I'll answer it...
God does not administer the Catholic Church nor interfere with the will of men, evil men have free will and reign to do as they will. Judgement will come, to all at some point. The central point that you miss is that this life is short....and he judges it as it ends, taxes and death.
Master and Margarette by Bulgakov.... get a chance read it, a lot of your questions answered.
are you a catholic
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worst meltdown ever
i didnt have you down as stupid
are you incapable of free thinking
Arguing religion is the stupid part.....free thinking is what you lack, youve pigeon holed yourself into one position and pout like a kid if we dont agree with it.
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are you a catholic
Russian Orthodox/ Eastern Orthodox
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i dont believe in god
you havent answered my question
i simply ask you to answer it rather than turn it on me
I ask questions because I need to more clearly understand how you define things. Sometimes I need more context to understand your perspective....a lot of times context is everything.
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I ask questions because I need to more clearly understand how you define things. Sometimes I need more context to understand your perspective....a lot of times context is everything.
ok here you go
i grew up in a very religious family
i believed in god
i went out into the world and saw what man was capable of
i questioned my religion and was basically told
god was responsible for all the good things
and all of the bad things were down to god allowing us free will
the catholic church systematically abusing children
and covering it up including the pope was the final straw
if god is benevolent enough to allow evil in its purest form
which is how i regard pedophillia
then how can he dam souls for eternity after the fact
does that help the innocent children
the contradictions in religion dont stack up
people that dont have enough inner strength to face the world
or enough strength to accept that when you die thats it
turn to religion as a comfort blanket
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ok here you go
i grew up in a very religious family
i believed in god
i went out into the world and saw what man was capable of
i questioned my religion and was basically told
god was responsible for all the good things
and all of the bad things were down to god allowing us free will
the catholic church systematically abusing children
and covering it up including the pope was the final straw
if god is benevolent enough to allow evil in its purest form
which is how i regard pedophillia
then how can he dam souls for eternity after the fact
does that help the innocent children
the contradictions in religion dont stack up
people that dont have enough inner strength to face the world
or enough strength to accept that when you die thats it
turn to religion as a comfort blanket
No offense intended, but you didn't answer my follow-up questions so I'll just proceed with my reply based on what you have said.
God allows humanity the option to engage in evil acts so that those that freely choose to accept God on his terms have made the purest choice to do so....simple as that.
If within this short life every option is free to be indulged in and some choose to forgo those options in favor of surrendering to the will of Jesus Christ then true church of God will be formed. Those believers indwelt with and regenerated by the holy spirit of God are sanctified for his purposes and follow that calling accordingly.
A mass coverup of pedophilia in the Catholic church is purely of man and has nothing to do with God. Remember the "office of Pope" is a man-made designation and all activities therein are designated by man. Men can be designated as a priest and not live a life representative of Jesus Christ. Again, God allows us to make these choices because Christ made it very clear that he came to collect his church....his true body of believers. Out of the hundreds and hundreds of millions of catholics and protestants there will be hundreds of millions that stand before the judgement throne of God that the Lord will not claim as his own.....this can include priests, pastors, ministers, reverends, nuns, deacons, sunday school teachers and even popes. God knows the contents of our hearts so it's up to us to decide if we're going to fill our hearts with God's will or our own.
I see God as a one who created a good world and gave mankind dominion over it. He also gave mankind the ability to choose and ultimately each of us will have to choose to abide by God's will or our own. I choose Jesus Christ because he has revealed himself powerfully in my life. That revelation came because I was willing to surrender to his will and come to him on his terms....I chose to walk through the narrow gate and in doing so God has revealed his reality to me. If a person refuses to humble him/herself and seek God on his terms then they will not experience the revelation of God in their life....humility and surrender makes all the difference so I encourage you humble yourself and pray that God reveal himself to you.
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There's no free will.
Do apples fall to the ground because of their free will, no they are just following the laws of the universe.
The same goes with chemical reactions when atoms and molecules interact with each other. Very predictable behavior, noo free will there.
Out bodies are made up of these atoms and molecules, we are just a walking talking chemical reaction. This includes our brain.
We react to the environment in a predictable way depending on the programming of our brain.
Science has shown that our brain has already made a decision well before you are consciously aware of it.
Our brain is running on autopilot, just like all the other functions of our body, such are heart beat and movement of food through the digestive system.
Therefore you don't choose to be good or evil, it just happens due to genetics and environment you grew up in, which effects the development of your brain and the way it responds to environmental stimuli which enters your 5 senses.
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I see God as a one who created a good world and gave mankind dominion over it. He also gave mankind the ability to choose and ultimately each of us will have to choose to abide by God's will or our own. I choose Jesus Christ because he has revealed himself powerfully in my life. That revelation came because I was willing to surrender to his will and come to him on his terms....I chose to walk through the narrow gate and in doing so God has revealed his reality to me. If a person refuses to humble him/herself and seek God on his terms then they will not experience the revelation of God in their life....humility and surrender makes all the difference so I encourage you humble yourself and pray that God reveal himself to you.
outside of get big
i would argue i am a positive influence on the world
i teach my children to respect everyone in their diversity
and to do unto others as you would have them do to you
why then should i seek god
why do i need to
i am strong enough in myself to face the world and to shelter and nourish my family so that they too will be constructive members of the community
i see a weakness in people that turn to god most have a back story where they have filled a void with their beliefs
i respect your right to your religion and your beliefs
but i find the statement in bold patronising and typical of someone who believes they have found god
why do you have to humble yourself why would he not take you warts and all
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No offense intended, but you didn't answer my follow-up questions so I'll just proceed with my reply based on what you have said.
God allows humanity the option to engage in evil acts so that those that freely choose to accept God on his terms have made the purest choice to do so....simple as that.
If within this short life every option is free to be indulged in and some choose to forgo those options in favor of surrendering to the will of Jesus Christ then true church of God will be formed. Those believers indwelt with and regenerated by the holy spirit of God are sanctified for his purposes and follow that calling accordingly.
A mass coverup of pedophilia in the Catholic church is purely of man and has nothing to do with God. Remember the "office of Pope" is a man-made designation and all activities therein are designated by man. Men can be designated as a priest and not live a life representative of Jesus Christ. Again, God allows us to make these choices because Christ made it very clear that he came to collect his church....his true body of believers. Out of the hundreds and hundreds of millions of catholics and protestants there will be hundreds of millions that stand before the judgement throne of God that the Lord will not claim as his own.....this can include priests, pastors, ministers, reverends, nuns, deacons, sunday school teachers and even popes. God knows the contents of our hearts so it's up to us to decide if we're going to fill our hearts with God's will or our own.
I see God as a one who created a good world and gave mankind dominion over it. He also gave mankind the ability to choose and ultimately each of us will have to choose to abide by God's will or our own. I choose Jesus Christ because he has revealed himself powerfully in my life. That revelation came because I was willing to surrender to his will and come to him on his terms....I chose to walk through the narrow gate and in doing so God has revealed his reality to me. If a person refuses to humble him/herself and seek God on his terms then they will not experience the revelation of God in their life....humility and surrender makes all the difference so I encourage you humble yourself and pray that God reveal himself to you.
Religion, the cause of, and solution to, all the worlds problems.
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Religion, the cause of, and solution to, all the worlds problems.
Thanks Sugar Tits ;D
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Thanks Sugar Tits ;D
I dont want to cause a rift. ;D
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I dont want to cause a rift. ;D
Well played Sir
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lol@quoting bible passages
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Short answer: Because God doesn't exist, except in the minds of the brainwashed.
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Humanity, the cause of, and solution to, all the worlds problems.
Fixed.
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I don't really want to debate this w/ u in the context of this thread but Obama got elected president twice. I don't see how that equates to 8/10 people not supporting him. He has strong support among women and minorities and that now equals a majority (or close to it) of voters. And the gay marriage plebiscite failed mostly b/c of overwhelming disapproval by the black community from what I remember.
Not everyone who can or will vote counts in the numbers I quoted. Bush got elected twice too, but his approval rating was never more than 50% at the time of his reelection.
There's states like Mississippi that have marriage defined as between man and a woman in their state constitution, and other states as well. Point being, most of those things you mentioned don't have nationwide support. Whether it's because of blacks or hispanics or southerners, the point stands...religion is not going away. It's strong and influential in the US. Like the gun lobby.
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A more pertinent question would be: Why the fuck didn't his family and friends call 911 the moment he went unconscious? Anyone at his side should be charged with involuntary manslaughter. ???
They came for him, even to his house again. He sent them away, citing god`s protection.
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They came for him, even to his house again. He sent them away, citing god`s protection.
One could say "God gave snakes venom for protection from stupid animals (humans)."
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How does a Copperhead or rattler bite kill a healthy adult? Their venom isn't normally deadly.
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How does a Copperhead or rattler bite kill a healthy adult? Their venom isn't normally deadly.
God's will
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How does a Copperhead or rattler bite kill a healthy adult? Their venom isn't normally deadly.
could be the reaction to it...we are assuming that the person is healthy. And could be the amount. Any number of things...
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At least I have posted pictures. god hasn`t posted shit.
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God's will
:)
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They came for him, even to his house again. He sent them away, citing god`s protection.
Who came for him? ???
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At least I have posted pictures. god hasn`t posted shit.
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sometimes my friend your posts are world class
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Remember what I said about liberals and atheists being the most miserable people on the planet? This post proves it. But to answer your question. Dude was an idiot.
The Bible says two men ought not lay together. But I don't reckon the Good Lord would send anybody like you to Hades
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Who came for him? ???
Paramedics. He sent them away. Imagine the conversation they had in the ambulance on the way back. ROFLMAO!
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The Bible says two men ought not lay together. But I don't reckon the Good Lord would send anybody like you to Hades
Ha! Good ol' Karl.
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ROFLMAO!!!
According to Kentucky.com, the paramedics were called to the church at approximately 8:30 p.m. Saturday to check on reports of a snake bite. On learning that he had left the church, the ambulance crew and firefighters went to Coots' home and warned him of the danger of not seeking medical help. Police said he declined the assistance and the paramedics left his home at 9:10 p.m.
Less than an hour later authorities received a call that Coots had died and he was pronounced dead in his home. Coots was reportedly bitten on his right hand.
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And then there is this:
In August 1995, however, Melinda Brown, 28, of Parrotsville, Tenn., died after she was bitten by a large rattlesnake at Coots' church. Police considered charging Coots with violating Kentucky's law against handling snakes in church. A judge, however, ruled that he shouldn't be prosecuted for practicing his faith.
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ROFLMAO!!!
According to Kentucky.com, the paramedics were called to the church at approximately 8:30 p.m. Saturday to check on reports of a snake bite. On learning that he had left the church, the ambulance crew and firefighters went to Coots' home and warned him of the danger of not seeking medical help. Police said he declined the assistance and the paramedics left his home at 9:10 p.m.
Less than an hour later authorities received a call that Coots had died and he was pronounced dead in his home. Coots was reportedly bitten on his right hand.
His faith probably wasn't strong enough.
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Paramedics. He sent them away. Imagine the conversation they had in the ambulance on the way back. ROFLMAO!
In that case, fuck him. No anti venom or CPR for you! :D
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The Bible says two men ought not lay together. But I don't reckon the Good Lord would send anybody like you to Hades
The lord also didn't make allowances for straight couples who can't have children. I don't think invitro fertilization ever crossed the mind of anyone at the time. The Bible is certainly an important historical document, but it's riddled with flaws and human prejudice.
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that is a shame. at least he is in heaven now looking down upon us
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You're an ignorant rube who needs to read more....you know nothing of Jefferson
1816 January 9. (Jefferson to Charles Thomson). "I too have made a wee little book, from the same materials, which I call the Philosophy of Jesus. it is a paradigma of his doctrines, made by cutting the texts out of the book, and arranging them on the pages of a blank book, in a certain order of time or subject. a more beautiful or precious morsel of ethics I have never seen. it is a document in proof that I am a real Christian, that is to say, a disciple of the doctrines of Jesus, very different from the Platonists, who call me infidel, and themselves Christians and preachers of the gospel, while they draw all their characteristic dogmas from what it’s Author never said nor saw. they have compounded from the heathen mysteries a system beyond the comprehension of man, of which the great reformer of the vicious ethics and deism of the Jews, were he to return on earth, would not recognise one feature. if I had time I would add to my little book the Greek, Latin and French texts, in columns side by side, and I wish I could subjoin a translation of Gassendi’s Syntagma of the doctrines of Epicurus, which, notwithstanding the calumnies of the Stoics, and caricatures of Cicero, is the most rational system remaining of the philosophy of the ancients, as frugal of vicious indulgence, and fruitful of virtue as the hyperbolical extravagancies of his rival sects."
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And don't quote out of context.... ::)
1823 April 11. (Jefferson to John Adams). "The truth is that the greatest enemies to the doctrines of Jesus are those calling themselves the expositors of them, who have perverted them for the structure of a system of fancy absolutely incomprehensible, and without any foundation in his genuine words. And the day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme being as his father in the womb of a virgin will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter. But we may hope that the dawn of reason and freedom of thought in these United States will do away all this artificial scaffolding, and restore to us the primitive and genuine doctrines of this the most venerated reformer of human errors."
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You're an ignorant rube who needs to read more....you know nothing of Jefferson
1816 January 9. (Jefferson to Charles Thomson). "I too have made a wee little book, from the same materials, which I call the Philosophy of Jesus. it is a paradigma of his doctrines, made by cutting the texts out of the book, and arranging them on the pages of a blank book, in a certain order of time or subject. a more beautiful or precious morsel of ethics I have never seen. it is a document in proof that I am a real Christian, that is to say, a disciple of the doctrines of Jesus, very different from the Platonists, who call me infidel, and themselves Christians and preachers of the gospel, while they draw all their characteristic dogmas from what it’s Author never said nor saw. they have compounded from the heathen mysteries a system beyond the comprehension of man, of which the great reformer of the vicious ethics and deism of the Jews, were he to return on earth, would not recognise one feature. if I had time I would add to my little book the Greek, Latin and French texts, in columns side by side, and I wish I could subjoin a translation of Gassendi’s Syntagma of the doctrines of Epicurus, which, notwithstanding the calumnies of the Stoics, and caricatures of Cicero, is the most rational system remaining of the philosophy of the ancients, as frugal of vicious indulgence, and fruitful of virtue as the hyperbolical extravagancies of his rival sects."
You are ignorant TedTim. What the above is called "The Jefferson Bible". He cut out everything that could not possibly happen and was left with virtually nothing. You can buy a "Jefferson Bible" at Monticello and other places.
Hope this helps.
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The Jefferson Bible, or The Life and Morals of Jesus of Nazareth as it is formally titled, was a book constructed by Thomas Jefferson in the latter years of his life by cutting and pasting with a razor and glue numerous sections from the New Testament as extractions of the doctrine of Jesus. Jefferson's condensed composition is especially notable for its exclusion of all miracles by Jesus and most mentions of the supernatural, including sections of the four gospels which contain the Resurrection and most other miracles, and passages indicating Jesus was divine.[1][2][3][4]
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You are ignorant TedTim. What the above is called "The Jefferson Bible". He cut out everything that could not possibly happen and was left with virtually nothing. You can buy a "Jefferson Bible" at Monticello and other places.
Hope this helps.
I've read all three....have you? Extracts from Gospels, Philosophies of Jesus, and life and morals of Jesus....go google them. Voltaire lol.....why not just throw up some Engels, Marx, and Locke
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"During the first winter, Mr. Jefferson regularly attended service on the sabbath-day in the humble church. The congregation seldom exceeded 50 or 60, but generally consisted of about a score of hearers. He could have had no motive for this regular attendance, but that of respect for public worship, choice of place or preacher he had not, as this, with the exception of a little Catholic chapel was the only church in the new city. The custom of preaching in the Hall of Representatives had not then been attempted, though after it was established Mr. Jefferson during his whole administration, was a most regular attendant. The seat he chose the first sabbath, and the adjoining one, which his private secretary occupied, were ever afterwards by the courtesy of the congregation, left for him and his secretary."
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1821 February 27. (Jefferson to Timothy Pickering). "no one sees with greater pleasure than myself the progress of reason in it’s advances towards rational Christianity. when we shall have done away the incomprehensible jargon of the Trinitarian arithmetic, that three are one, and one is three; when we shall have knocked down the artificial scaffolding, reared to mask from view the simple structure of Jesus, when, in short, we shall have unlearned every thing which has been taught since his day, and got back to the pure and simple doctrines he inculcated, we shall then be truly and worthily his disciples: and my opinion is that if nothing had ever been added to what flowed purely from his lips, the whole world would at this day have been Christian. I know that the case you cite, of Dr Drake, has been a common one. the religion-builders have so distorted and deformed the doctrines of Jesus, so muffled them in mysticisms, fancies and falsehoods, have caricatured them into forms so monstrous and inconcievable, as to shock reasonable thinkers, to revolt them against the whole, and drive them rashly to pronounce it’s founder an imposter. had there never been a Commentator, there never would have been an infidel. in the present advance of truth, which we both approve, I do not know that you and I may think alike on all points. as the Creator has made no two faces alike, so no two minds, and probably no two creeds. we well know that among Unitarians themselves there are strong shades of difference, as between Doctors Price and Priestley for example. so there may be peculiarities in your creed and in mine. they are honestly formed without doubt. I do not wish to trouble the world with mine, nor to be troubled for them. these accounts are to be settled only with him who made us; and to him we leave it, with charity for all others, of whom also he is the only rightful and competent judge. I have little doubt that the whole of our country will soon be rallied to the Unity of the Creator, and, I hope, to the pure doctrines of Jesus also."
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And yet you still continue to fail....must be the GMO you stuff into your maw
"God gave us the gift of life; it is up to us to give ourselves the gift of living well."
Voltaire
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What is the point of having poisonous snakes in a church?
I call it hillbilly Russian roulette.
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Got it you're an anti-Christian zealot......lol
“The God who gave us life gave us liberty. Can the liberties of a nation be secure when we have removed a conviction that these liberties are the gift of God?”
― Thomas Jefferson
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And don't quote out of context.... ::)
1823 April 11. (Jefferson to John Adams). "The truth is that the greatest enemies to the doctrines of Jesus are those calling themselves the expositors of them, who have perverted them for the structure of a system of fancy absolutely incomprehensible, and without any foundation in his genuine words. And the day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme being as his father in the womb of a virgin will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter. But we may hope that the dawn of reason and freedom of thought in these United States will do away all this artificial scaffolding, and restore to us the primitive and genuine doctrines of this the most venerated reformer of human errors."
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I don`t think you are capable of reading and comprehending too well. :-\
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I don`t think you are capable of reading and comprehending too well. :-\
.....coming from you, I lol'ed
We get it you hate God......good luck with that :-*
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very good, very true.
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TA destroying Tedumb. Like Andre taking on a score of midgets.
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Adonis trolling to perfection yet again.
You can't touch him on nutrition or religion. You fools should have learned this ages ago.
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Did they use the word dogma in the late 1700's ?
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Brutal.
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Did they use the word dogma in the late 1700's ?
Origin of DOGMA
Latin dogmat-, dogma, from Greek, from dokein to seem — more at decent
First Known Use: 1638
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/dogma
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Origin of DOGMA
Latin dogmat-, dogma, from Greek, from dokein to seem — more at decent
First Known Use: 1638
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/dogma
Thank you sir.
My god!!! A useful poster in our midst?
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ok you made a point no need for overkill
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Anybody stupid enough to believe Einstein believed in GOD automatically loses the argument. Einstein was an atheist, he was fully aware how Religious Nutters would take his comments out of context and ascribe to him religious beliefs he never had.
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Knollwood
Saranac Lake N.Y.
July 2nd, 1945
Ensign Guy H. Raner, Jr. (C) USNR
USS Bougainville (CVE 109)
c.o. Fleet Post Office
San Francisco, Cal.
Dear Mr. Raner:
I received your letter of June 10th. I have never talked to a Jesuit priest in my life and I am astonished by the audacity to tell such lies about me.
From the viewpoint of a Jesuit priest I am, of course, and have always been an atheist. Your counter-arguments seem to me very correct and could hardly be better formulated. It is always misleading to use anthropomorphical concepts in dealing with things outside the human sphere – childish analogies. We have to admire in humility the beautiful harmony of the structure of this world – as far as we can grasp it. And that is all.
With best wishes,
Yours sincerely,
Albert Einstein
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Tedtim is a complete moron.-The True Adonis
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Atheists spend more time on religion than religious people do.. good grief ::)
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Tedtim is a complete moron.-The True Adonis
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Atheists spend more time on religion than religious people do.. good grief ::)
We do know more about your own religion than you christians do, yet christians are the morons that believe in it. Funny how that works isn`t it? haha
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We do know more about your own religion than you christians do, yet christians are the morons that believe in it. Funny how that works isn`t it? haha
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Oh those Nationalist Socialists
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Oh those Nationalist Socialists
I don`t think Nationalist Socialist means what you think it means. :-\
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Some of your comrades?
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"Tedtim is certainly not very bright"-The True Adonis
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Some of your comrades?
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Next you are going to tell me, the DPRK, Democratic People's Republic of Korea is a great example of Democracy because that is what North Korea calls itself.
Tedtim, you are dumb as a brick.
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"Tedtim is certainly not very bright"-The True Adonis
OK there Hans....lol
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Hope this helps:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism
Nazism, or National Socialism in full (German: Nationalsozialismus), is the ideology and practice associated with the 20th-century German Nazi Party and state as well as other related far-right groups. Usually characterised as a form of fascism
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Hope this helps:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism
The use of the name “National Socialism” arose out of earlier attempts by German right-wing figures to create a nationalist redefinition of “socialism”
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Tedtim,
How does it feel to go this long being wrong and ignorant?
Lol True Dumbass melting like cum on Tbombz chin
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I think Tedtim is trying to land in timeout or something. ???
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My grandfather killed a shit load of Nazis lol
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My grandfather killed a shit load of Nazis lol
Too bad he didn`t teach you that it was a right-wing movement spurned on by a devout Christian and aided in part by the Catholic church. :-\
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My grandfather killed a shit load of Nazis lol
My Christian grandfather also blew those dirty Nazis away.
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Too bad he didn`t teach you that it was a right-wing movement spurned on by a devout Christian and aided in part by the Catholic church. :-\
Nah....he just shot them by the bushel
Picture he's saying " hey I pissed on that"
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Does Tedumb even realize he`s posing up contrapuntal pics, is he trolling, or just that dumb?
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Does Tedumb even realize he`s posing up contrapuntal pics, is he trolling, or just that dumb?
::) is it a bromance? Or are you just his BFF?
I'm picturing this duo....
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::) is it a bromance? Or are you just his BFF?
I'm picturing this duo....
Solid logic. Really!? What a retard.
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Solid logic. Really!? What a retard.
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Tedtim is a moron if he thinks Hitler wasn`t a right-winger as was the whole Nazi movement. You realize this right?
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How did a thread about a dead snake oil salesman(see what I did there) turn into holocaust remembrance day?
Reminds me of a joke I heard when I was in school:
What's the difference between Santa Claus and a Jew?
Santa goes DOWN the chimney.
Anyway......
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what kind of God would let this happen!!!
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=022_1392441250
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Why are the Jefferson quotes so inconsistent? Did he change his mind at some point?
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Too bad he didn`t teach you that it was a right-wing movement spurned on by a devout Christian and aided in part by the Catholic church. :-\
Oh brother you usually speak the truth but hundred of thousands of Catholics were killed in concentration camps ::)
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Atheists spend more time on religion than religious people do.. good grief ::)
Reading the bible(book of mormon, koran etc) will turn you atheist. The church is filled with tedims that have no idea what they are worshipping.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/8030672/US-atheists-know-more-about-religion-than-believers-quiz-finds.html
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Why are the Jefferson quotes so inconsistent? Did he change his mind at some point?
They aren`t inconsistent.
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They aren`t inconsistent.
Yours aren't, but they contradicted the other guy's quotes.
I looked it up, and it seems there is truth to both sides. Seems he admired the philosophical teachings of Jesus, but grew to reject Christianity as a religion. Didn't buy the miracles or resurrection nonsense. He did attend church regularly in between, though, and raised his kids as Christians.
Does this jibe with your understanding of Jefferson?
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Yours aren't, but they contradicted the other guy's quotes.
I looked it up, and it seems there is truth to both sides. Seems he admired the philosophical teachings of Jesus, but grew to reject Christianity as a religion. Didn't buy the miracles or resurrection nonsense. He did attend church regularly in between, though, and raised his kids as Christians.
Does this jibe with your understanding of Jefferson?
Tedtim is a moron. He doesn`t even realize that Nazism was entirely a far right agenda. He also posted many false quotes in this thread.
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Yours aren't, but they contradicted the other guy's quotes.
I looked it up, and it seems there is truth to both sides. Seems he admired the philosophical teachings of Jesus, but grew to reject Christianity as a religion. Didn't buy the miracles or resurrection nonsense. He did attend church regularly in between, though, and raised his kids as Christians.
Does this jibe with your understanding of Jefferson?
Not really, especially the children part. He didn`t believe in Christian nonsense.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Jefferson_and_religion
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Tedtim is a moron. He doesn`t even realize that Nazism was entirely a far right agenda. He also posted many false quotes in this thread.
So Jefferson didn't say what he quoted?
I'm not really concerned about morons or Nazis, just the truth about TJ.
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Jefferson is known as "The Sphinx" for a good reason. He knew how to play politics. The Federalists knew he was an atheist and accused him as such:
Accusations of being an infidel
During the 1800 presidential campaign, the New England Palladium wrote, "Should the infidel Jefferson be elected to the Presidency, the seal of death is that moment set on our holy religion, our churches will be prostrated, and some infamous 'prostitute', under the title of goddess of reason, will preside in the sanctuaries now devoted to the worship of the most High."[30] Federalists attacked Jefferson as a "howling atheist" and infidel, claiming that his attraction to the religious and political extremism of the French Revolution disqualified him from public office.[31][32] At that time, calling a person an infidel could mean a number of things, including that they did not believe in God. It was an accusation commonly levelled at Deists, although they believe in a deity. It was also directed at those thought to be harming the Christian faith in which they were raised.
While opposed to the institutions of organized religion, Jefferson consistently expressed his belief in God. For example, he invoked the notion of divine justice in 1782 in his opposition to slavery,[33] and invoked divine Providence in his second inaugural address.[34]
Jefferson did not shrink from questioning the existence of God. In a 1787 letter to his nephew and ward, Peter Carr, who was at school, Jefferson offered the following advice:
“ Fix Reason firmly in her seat, and call to her tribunal every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve the homage of reason than of blindfolded fear. ... Do not be frightened from this inquiry by any fear of its consequences. If it end in a belief that there is no God, you will find incitements to virtue in the comfort and pleasantness you feel in its exercise and in the love of others which it will procure for you. -- (Jefferson's Works, Vol. ii., p. 217)[35] ”
Following the 1800 campaign, Jefferson became more reluctant to have his religious opinions discussed in public. He often added requests at the end of personal letters discussing religion that his correspondents be discreet regarding its contents.[6]
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So Jefferson didn't say what he quoted?
I'm not really concerned about morons or Nazis, just the truth about TJ.
I think Thomas Jefferson was a diest like many of our Founding Fathers.
Thomas Jefferson was a Freemason, so he did believe in some higher power.
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So Jefferson didn't say what he quoted?
I'm not really concerned about morons or Nazis, just the truth about TJ.
In Jefferson`s personal correspondence he was not religious and cast all of it off by the time of his death. He was a great politician and knew how to use religion at times.
These are the two best Biographies of Jefferson I have ever read.
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Not really, especially the children part. He didn`t believe in Christian nonsense.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Jefferson_and_religion
From TJ's Wikipedia entry:
"...though when he was home he attended the Episcopal church and raised his daughters in that faith."
Says he was a deist and a philosophical Christian.
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From TJ's Wikipedia entry:
"...though when he was home he attended the Episcopal church and raised his daughters in that faith."
Says he was a deist and a philosophical Christian.
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Can't view on my iPad, I'll have to watch later.
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Adonis trolling to perfection yet again.
You can't touch him on nutrition or religion. You fools should have learned this ages ago.
Yep, takes a real hero to google memes LOL.....ridiculous.
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Tedtim is a moron if he thinks Hitler wasn`t a right-winger as was the whole Nazi movement. You realize this right?
Youre a disingenuous hack who knows nothing of Jefferson his ideology nor his beliefs. He beleived in the creator and admired and followed the teachings of Jesus.....hope that helps (it wont)
Hitlers being "right wing" as is the "National Socialist" party is a nice little left wing socialist propaganda filled delusion. Goebbels, Goering, Hitler all went to mass then proceeded to exterminate the chosen people, then made sure industry was ran by a central government as were schools medicine etc., youre a left wing shill and a ignorant one at that. You wouldnt understand conservatism if I spoon feed you GMO laced with WFB Jrs DNA.
True Dumbass getbigs Nazi sympathizer....nice. At least the haircut makes sense now, Wehrmacht scullcap and you just trim around it, check.
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Youre a disingenuous hack who knows nothing of Jefferson his ideology nor his beliefs. He beleived in the creator and admired and followed the teachings of Jesus.....hope that helps (it wont)
Wow :-\ that was so stupid that you have to be one of wiggs gimmicks.
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And don't quote out of context.... ::)
1823 April 11. (Jefferson to John Adams). "The truth is that the greatest enemies to the doctrines of Jesus are those calling themselves the expositors of them, who have perverted them for the structure of a system of fancy absolutely incomprehensible, and without any foundation in his genuine words. And the day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme being as his father in the womb of a virgin will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter. But we may hope that the dawn of reason and freedom of thought in these United States will do away all this artificial scaffolding, and restore to us the primitive and genuine doctrines of this the most venerated reformer of human errors."
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1821 February 27. (Jefferson to Timothy Pickering). "no one sees with greater pleasure than myself the progress of reason in it’s advances towards rational Christianity. when we shall have done away the incomprehensible jargon of the Trinitarian arithmetic, that three are one, and one is three; when we shall have knocked down the artificial scaffolding, reared to mask from view the simple structure of Jesus, when, in short, we shall have unlearned every thing which has been taught since his day, and got back to the pure and simple doctrines he inculcated, we shall then be truly and worthily his disciples: and my opinion is that if nothing had ever been added to what flowed purely from his lips, the whole world would at this day have been Christian. I know that the case you cite, of Dr Drake, has been a common one. the religion-builders have so distorted and deformed the doctrines of Jesus, so muffled them in mysticisms, fancies and falsehoods, have caricatured them into forms so monstrous and inconcievable, as to shock reasonable thinkers, to revolt them against the whole, and drive them rashly to pronounce it’s founder an imposter. had there never been a Commentator, there never would have been an infidel. in the present advance of truth, which we both approve, I do not know that you and I may think alike on all points. as the Creator has made no two faces alike, so no two minds, and probably no two creeds. we well know that among Unitarians themselves there are strong shades of difference, as between Doctors Price and Priestley for example. so there may be peculiarities in your creed and in mine. they are honestly formed without doubt. I do not wish to trouble the world with mine, nor to be troubled for them. these accounts are to be settled only with him who made us; and to him we leave it, with charity for all others, of whom also he is the only rightful and competent judge. I have little doubt that the whole of our country will soon be rallied to the Unity of the Creator, and, I hope, to the pure doctrines of Jesus also."
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Lol at mods trying to hide this thread :-X
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Lol at mods trying to hide this thread :-X
Has the words "god" and "religious" in the thread title and is full of religious discussion........probab ly best suited for the Religion board.
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Has the words "god" and "religious" in the thread title and is full of religious discussion........probab ly best suited for the Religion board.
You know it will be dead as Elvis here. You have already moved it once trying to kill it.
You know very well that gossip/opinions is getbig.
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Man of Steel is very religious and a moderator on the religion board? Isn't that like the wolf guarding the hen house? I'm a Christian by the way.
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You know it will be dead as Elvis here. You have already moved it once trying to kill it.
You know very well that gossip/opinions is getbig.
I'm a mod on the religion board only. I can only move or modify threads on the religion board.
No, not killing any thread.....still posting in the thread actually. Still have a reply owed to bigmc within this thread.
People often don't like discussions on this board because actual discussions do take place and I actually have the ability to moderate the board and follow Ron's rules (it's hard to moderate the G&O).
People like the G&O because it's a free-for-all and meme-slinging, bandwagoning and dogpiling is often the most substance you get in "discussions". Although, some posters that actually do want to discuss will speak to me privately and I do my best to help where I'm able.....you don't see all of that though.
Now the majority of folks posting in religious threads started on the G&O aren't looking to have their religious objections or questions answered......they just wanna hit and run and then high five others doing something similar.....it's meaningless nonsense.
No offense, but when I (or someone else) starts answering questions the herd always thins and the usual suspects simply resort to posting a barrage of memes or some generic "spaghetti monster" or "fairytale" comment.....it's 5th grade stuff.
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Man of Steel is very religious and a moderator on the religion board? Isn't that like the wolf guarding the hen house? I'm a Christian by the way.
During my time as moderator on the religion board the folks who've been given the most attention are muslims and atheists actually.
I've also consolidated and deleted a number of threads started by Christians and have asked a couple of Christian posters to leave the board that were acting inappropriately towards others; although, I question whether or not they were genuinely Christians.
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unfortunately I'm not meek enough....but I only hunt wolves, never sheep....in reference to my responses and ad hominem attacks.
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I see God as a one who created a good world and gave mankind dominion over it. He also gave mankind the ability to choose and ultimately each of us will have to choose to abide by God's will or our own. I choose Jesus Christ because he has revealed himself powerfully in my life. That revelation came because I was willing to surrender to his will and come to him on his terms....I chose to walk through the narrow gate and in doing so God has revealed his reality to me. If a person refuses to humble him/herself and seek God on his terms then they will not experience the revelation of God in their life....humility and surrender makes all the difference so I encourage you humble yourself and pray that God reveal himself to you.
outside of get big
i would argue i am a positive influence on the world
i teach my children to respect everyone in their diversity
and to do unto others as you would have them do to you
why then should i seek god
why do i need to
i am strong enough in myself to face the world and to shelter and nourish my family so that they too will be constructive members of the community
i see a weakness in people that turn to god most have a back story where they have filled a void with their beliefs
i respect your right to your religion and your beliefs
but i find the statement in bold patronising and typical of someone who believes they have found god
why do you have to humble yourself why would he not take you warts and all
I don’t think arguing your good qualities is necessary because they were never in doubt.
Now one thing I can assure you of is that I was not intending anything I said to be patronizing so know that.
Why seek God? Despite all our best efforts and works only righteousness and freedom from our sin is achieved through Christ Jesus.
Why do I share God? I share because I want others to experience the life-changing hope and joy I have experienced in knowing God personally.
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That is some Orwellian censorship by Man of steel. Are you going to hide every thread that is uncomfortable for you?
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That is some Orwellian censorship by Man of steel. Are you going to hide every thread that is uncomfortable for you?
I'm a mod on the religion board only. I can only move or modify threads on the religion board.
No, not killing any thread.....still posting in the thread actually. Still have a reply owed to bigmc within this thread.
People often don't like discussions on this board because actual discussions do take place and I actually have the ability to moderate the board and follow Ron's rules (it's hard to moderate the G&O).
People like the G&O because it's a free-for-all and meme-slinging, bandwagoning and dogpiling is often the most substance you get in "discussions". Although, some posters that actually do want to discuss will speak to me privately and I do my best to help where I'm able.....you don't see all of that though.
Now the majority of folks posting in religious threads started on the G&O aren't looking to have their religious objections or questions answered......they just wanna hit and run and then high five others doing something similar.....it's meaningless nonsense.
No offense, but when I (or someone else) starts answering questions the herd always thins and the usual suspects simply resort to posting a barrage of memes or some generic "spaghetti monster" or "fairytale" comment.....it's 5th grade stuff.
Further I changed a single word in the primary title from "moron" to "person" so the initial perception is discussion and not attack. I also removed some pornographic images that do not fit Ron's rules or the content of the board.
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And don't quote out of context.... ::)
1823 April 11. (Jefferson to John Adams). "The truth is that the greatest enemies to the doctrines of Jesus are those calling themselves the expositors of them, who have perverted them for the structure of a system of fancy absolutely incomprehensible, and without any foundation in his genuine words. And the day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme being as his father in the womb of a virgin will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter. But we may hope that the dawn of reason and freedom of thought in these United States will do away all this artificial scaffolding, and restore to us the primitive and genuine doctrines of this the most venerated reformer of human errors."
Don't expect that retard, true adonis aka gollum, to respond.
HEHEHEHEH!!
Gollum owned. Thread over.
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One for the road:
Bible in bus driver's pocket stops two bullets, saves his life
A bus driver who was shot in the chest was saved by a Bible in his pocket, leading police to believe that "some kind of intervention" took place.
Ricky Wagoner, from Dayton, Ohio, was trying to repair his broken-down bus on Monday morning when he was approached by three men, according to police.
"He heard suspects say that it was time to kill a polar bear to get into a club,''' Dayton Sgt. Michael Pauley told reporters.
The assailants shot Waggoner in the leg and stabbed him in the arm, but he told a 911 operator that he was able to fight back. He stabbed one of them with a pen before all three men ran away.
"I didn't want to stay there,'' he said in the recording of his 911 call. "I took the gun and knife away from them and shot at them."
The 911 dispatcher asked him about his injuries, which led him to discover his good fortune.
"I just looked at the chest,'' he told the dispatcher. "It just feels like I've been hit with a sledgehammer. I've got a book in my pocket, and I don't think they made it through this book."
Investigators found a pair of bullets lodged in a copy of "The Message," a contemporary translation of the New Testament. Wagoner had just started carrying the book in his pocket last week.
"There was obviously some kind of intervention involved in this incident because he probably should not be here,'' Pauley said.
Wagoner is currently in the hospital being treated for non-life-threatening injuries. The three suspects remain at large.
http://www.today.com/news/bible-bus-drivers-pocket-stops-two-bullets-saves-his-life-2D12164419
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One for the road:
Bible in bus driver's pocket stops two bullets, saves his life
A bus driver who was shot in the chest was saved by a Bible in his pocket, leading police to believe that "some kind of intervention" took place.
Ricky Wagoner, from Dayton, Ohio, was trying to repair his broken-down bus on Monday morning when he was approached by three men, according to police.
"He heard suspects say that it was time to kill a polar bear to get into a club,''' Dayton Sgt. Michael Pauley told reporters.
The assailants shot Waggoner in the leg and stabbed him in the arm, but he told a 911 operator that he was able to fight back. He stabbed one of them with a pen before all three men ran away.
"I didn't want to stay there,'' he said in the recording of his 911 call. "I took the gun and knife away from them and shot at them."
The 911 dispatcher asked him about his injuries, which led him to discover his good fortune.
"I just looked at the chest,'' he told the dispatcher. "It just feels like I've been hit with a sledgehammer. I've got a book in my pocket, and I don't think they made it through this book."
Investigators found a pair of bullets lodged in a copy of "The Message," a contemporary translation of the New Testament. Wagoner had just started carrying the book in his pocket last week.
"There was obviously some kind of intervention involved in this incident because he probably should not be here,'' Pauley said.
Wagoner is currently in the hospital being treated for non-life-threatening injuries. The three suspects remain at large.
http://www.today.com/news/bible-bus-drivers-pocket-stops-two-bullets-saves-his-life-2D12164419
Only religious nutters would consider being stabbed in the leg and arm a blessing.