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Obama Hones Immigration Policy
By CAM SIMPSON
WASHINGTON -- The Obama administration is using its executive powers to change U.S. immigration policies and practices on a range of fronts, not waiting for efforts by Congress to tackle a broader overhaul of the system.
Administration officials say they want to shift the emphasis in immigration enforcement to what the White House calls the demand-side of illegal immigration by focusing on employers, moving away from high-profile raids that resulted in thousands of worker arrests during the Bush years.
The Obama approach also toughens individual enforcement against illegal immigrants with criminal records, but takes a less stringent line with economic migrants and victims of abuse. In some cases, the Obama administration is pushing ahead with plans set under President George W. Bush -- such as putting into effect a mandate that all federal contractors and subcontractors use a government employment-verification system called E-Verify.
Suspected illegal immigrants, among 600 detained at Mississippi plant, leave U.S. court in Hattiesburg last August.
Congressional Democrats want to introduce comprehensive immigration legislation by the end of the summer that would offer a path to legal status for some of the estimated 12 million people now in the U.S. illegally. Many but not all congressional Republicans have opposed proposals to legalize undocumented migrants already in the country. President Barack Obama has signaled that he supports offering some form of legalization, but is also pursuing tougher enforcement that could appeal to both Democrats and Republicans on the fence.
Department of Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano is carrying out many of the new policies following reviews she ordered just after taking office in January. One of her most high-profile actions thus far was to end the Bush administration's raids at processing plants, factories and other work sites.
Now, the Obama administration is placing greater emphasis on fines and other civil penalties against employers, sending paperwork and accountants instead of gun-toting agents to conduct raids.
Earlier this month, the government announced notices went to 652 U.S. companies suspected of employing illegal workers. Violations could result in fines, other administrative actions or even criminal charges. The number of cases announced by the Obama administration this month is almost 30% greater than all those launched by the Bush administration throughout the entire last fiscal year, officials said.
"What you are talking about, fundamentally, are employers who are cheating," said a senior administration official involved in the changes. "What we are talking about is taking unfair competition out of the market."
Reviews from business groups are mixed. In the past, "there was this whole idea of demonizing undocumented workers," said Angelo Amador, who heads immigration policy at the U.S. Chamber of Commerce. "Now there's a shift, which is, 'Let's demonize employers,' and we don't think either is going to be very effective."
Peter Schey, a lawyer for American Apparel Inc., a Los Angeles clothing manufacturer and retailer that admitted it was among the 652 firms targeted, said the new administration's tactics amount to "a far more rational approach to work site enforcement." The White House should go even further, he said, and focus on those who run "sweatshops" and criminally exploit migrant workers. Many employers targeted likely met their legal obligations by checking the paperwork of their workers, Mr. Schey said, but had been presented with false documents from the workers.
The focus of the Obama administration hasn't been solely on employers. Among other moves, the White House temporarily halted deportations of many immigrant widows and widowers. It has also opened a path for abused women to get asylum in the U.S. and vacated a Bush administration order limiting appeals for immigrants who had inept or corrupt attorneys.
"They're not going to run out of things to fix anytime soon," said Doris Meissner, who headed immigration enforcement during the Clinton administration and is now a senior fellow at the Migration Policy Institute in Washington. "This is a very complex system and it needs lots of interventions."
Still pending, according to administration officials, is a major review of the nation's controversial immigration-detention system, which is largely scattered among state and local governments, and private contractors.
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Is anyone surprised by this?
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Here is my prediction.It will not have tougher enforcement.He will allow that nit wit Pelosi to write it.It will be a dissaster as EVERYTHING else he has done has been a dissaster.
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i can't believe mccain, obama, dna ousted gov sarah palin all back this garbage bill.
but then again, no party can tick off hispanics, because whoever has them, wins elections.
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i can't believe mccain, obama, dna ousted gov sarah palin all back this garbage bill.
but then again, no party can tick off hispanics, because whoever has them, wins elections.
1. I thought illegals cant vote?
2. I though legal immigrants hate illegals?
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i can't believe mccain, obama, dna ousted gov sarah palin all back this garbage bill.
but then again, no party can tick off hispanics, because whoever has them, wins elections.
McCain was THE BIGGEST supporter of amnesty there was.HE WROTE THE BILL!!!!!!How did he make out with hispanics in the last election?The idea that this issue is a make or break issue is stupid as hell.Tell the hispanics,most of whom are hard workers,that we will allow you to keep all your money and you wont be forced to support Obamas community,see how fast they come around to your side.
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If Obama and Pelosi pass this shit I truly hope they get brain cancer >:(
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This is the stuff that causes a major backlash, the US government has just decided that even though the first act of a person coming to America is breaking the law, they will be rewarded for it.
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1. I thought illegals cant vote?
2. I though legal immigrants hate illegals?
Any politician who is tough on illegals gets negative backlash from legal hispanic voters.
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Any politician who is tough on illegals gets negative backlash from legal hispanic voters.
Yeah, because they benefit off the benes. Screw em.
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Here is my prediction.It will not have tougher enforcement.He will allow that nit wit Pelosi to write it.It will be a dissaster as EVERYTHING else he has done has been a dissaster.
Yep, except if you are a radical leftist, you are living your own little wet dream right now.
Give all the illegal paracites the OK, you have a ready made voting block AND 12 the green light to 'stimulate' them with another few trillion in handouts.
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Yep, except if you are a radical leftist, you are living your own little wet dream right now.
Give all the illegal paracites the OK, you have a ready made voting block AND 12 the green light to 'stimulate' them with another few trillion in handouts.
Obama is the worst and most reckless politician of my lifetime. He might not make one term the way he is going.
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Obama is the worst and most reckless politician of my lifetime. He might not make one term the way he is going.
Did you expect any different?
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Did you expect any different?
Not really, I just though maybe he was not going to be so dumb to as let Pelsoi do his work for him.
Obama is both a moron and a commie in one.
WORSE THAN CARTER!
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I still can't believe they are letting Pelosi take charge. The most liberal member of the party, from the most liberal location in the country.
This is the similar to the Repubs letting Gordon Libby run the show.
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I'm confused... I thought we wanted the illegals to become legal... You know... Have a SSN and pay taxes and all of that shit.
What am I missing here?
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I'm confused... I thought we wanted the illegals to become legal... You know... Have a SSN and pay taxes and all of that shit.
What am I missing here?
No, we want most of them to go home and stay there. They are not here to pay taxes, they are here to work for cash to send home.
Ask any one of these vermin invaders and the first words out of their mouths is always "in my country". They dont consider the USA their country.
We are the host and they are the parasites.
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No, we want most of them to go home and stay there. They are not here to pay taxes, they are here to work for cash to send home.
Ask any one of these vermin invaders and the first words out of their mouths is always "in my country". They dont consider the USA their country.
We are the host and they are the parasites.
Then that's where the disagreement comes from... Many people just want illegals to become legal so they can not be "leeches" as you put it.
If they are paying taxes and paying into the system then that's what you want right?
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No, we want most of them to go home and stay there. They are not here to pay taxes, they are here to work for cash to send home.
Ask any one of these vermin invaders and the first words out of their mouths is always "in my country". They dont consider the USA their country.
We are the host and they are the parasites.
Funny, I don't see "Hecho en Mexico" printed on all thosee food stamps and WIC checks they always seem to have...
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Then that's where the disagreement comes from... Many people just want illegals to become legal so they can not be "leeches" as you put it.
If they are paying taxes and paying into the system then that's what you want right?
Have you ever dealt with these people? Serious?
I have and they do not want to pay taxes and dont want citizenship. They want $$$$ money to send home, thats it.
They send the money home, build houses down there, etc, and dont want to pay taxes.
Tu - you have no clue how this works.
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Funny, I don't see "Hecho en Mexico" printed on all thosee food stamps and WIC checks they always seem to have...
For those of us who choose not to speak spanish, what does that mean?
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"Made in Mexico"
There are a lot of illegals nowdays that don't want to go/send anything home. They have become 'rats in the pantry' with free food, housing, medical, all their needs met here in the US.
You can make it on $10/hr if all your bills are paid by the taxpayers....
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Have you ever dealt with these people? Serious?
I have and they do not want to pay taxes and dont want citizenship. They want $$$$ money to send home, thats it.
They send the money home, build houses down there, etc, and dont want to pay taxes.
Tu - you have no clue how this works.
That's the point, They become legal or they go home. End of story.
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"Made in Mexico"
There are a lot of illegals nowdays that don't want to go/send anything home. They have become 'rats in the pantry' with free food, housing, medical, all their needs met here in the US.
You can make it on $10/hr if all your bills are paid by the taxpayers....
That's right, many illegals even file for the EITC. I am so sick of liberal fools apologizing for these parasites who have never dealt with them. They are not hear to be citizens and pay taxes. they are here to leech of the system. If it is ended, they will go away.
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That's the point, They become legal or they go home. End of story.
The only way to deal with illegal aliens to is as follows:
1. Mercilessly go after the employers who are commiting tax fraud, Workers Comp Fraud, etc. .
2. Illegals show up at the ER - treat them and call ICE
3. Illegals get arrested for anything - Call ICE for deportation.
4. No welfare or wic
5. Border Wall.
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The only way to deal with illegal aliens to is as follows:
1. Mercilessly go after the employers who are commiting tax fraud, Workers Comp Fraud, etc. .
2. Illegals show up at the ER - treat them and call ICE
3. Illegals get arrested for anything - Call ICE for deportation.
4. No welfare or wic
5. Border Wall.
All you have to do to get rid of rats is stop feeding them. To get rid of Mexicans, just cut off their welfare (which people like True Adonis claim they can't get anyway) and they will go home. No free housing, no free food, no free medical care, no free daycare education.
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All you have to do to get rid of rats is stop feeding them. To get rid of Mexicans, just cut off their welfare (which people like True Adonis claim they can't get anyway) and they will go home. No free housing, no free food, no free medical care, no free daycare education.
I forgot, we need to end the anchor baby situation since these vermin are abusing that too.
F.U.B.O.!
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mine the border. If you're smart/skilled enough to get past 3 mined football fields, you're certainly bright enough an asset to be welcome here.
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so let me get this straight, as a canadian i would have a extremely hard time getting us citizenship to move to the us and start a business if i go thru the proper channels. however if this passes i can then jump over the fence :) between canada and the us and gain citizenship as an illegal?
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Ur gonna need to hurry...our healthcare system will be almost as bad as yours soon.
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bags are packed, human cargo carrier arrives at midnight, can anyone pick me up?
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bags are packed, human cargo carrier arrives at midnight, can anyone pick me up?
Do you have skills?
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All you have to do to get rid of rats is stop feeding them. To get rid of Mexicans, just cut off their welfare (which people like True Adonis claim they can't get anyway) and they will go home. No free housing, no free food, no free medical care, no free daycare education.
You've made yourself known to me. I decided to peruse some of your latest posts. I stopped here. You seem to be my kind of guy.
Pellius approved.
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Do you have skills?
yes, i play hockey and speak fluent canadian.
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yes, i play hockey and speak fluent canadian.
Can you wash cars or pick strawberries?
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yes, i play hockey and speak fluent canadian.
Useful skills if you want to ride horses, drink wine and bugger boys.
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This action is nothing but plain stupidity, getting a Green Card is a huge deal for many people all over the world and many valuable people get rejected or tired along the road.
Instead of stimulating an immigration of talented and smart people we should just give it to people who already broke some of the most basic laws that we have?
I have plenty of friends world wide that would love to move and work in the US yet they are scared of the whole process, these people have Post-PhD, they can certainly hold their own, yet giving it away for some lawn mower fucker is what Obama wants ::)
Change Obama's idea to professionals,business men,highly educated individuals etc and I will defend him to the death on the subject, now I just want him to die because of the subject.
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This action is nothing but plain stupidity, getting a Green Card is a huge deal for many people all over the world and many valuable people get rejected or tired along the road.
Instead of stimulating an immigration of talented and smart people we should just give it to people who already broke some of the most basic laws that we have?
I have plenty of friends world wide that would love to move and work in the US yet they are scared of the whole process, these people have Post-PhD, they can certainly hold their own, yet giving it away for some lawn mower fucker is what Obama wants ::)
Change Obama's idea to professionals,business men,highly educated individuals etc and I will defend him to the death on the subject, now I just want him to die because of the subject.
Come on IFBB, you are smarter than that.
Obama wants poor mexicans because they are easily manipulated and can be auto-dem votes forever because they will get soup to nuts welfare.
People like you are talking about will not be so easily swayed.
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Come on IFBB, you are smarter than that.
Obama wants poor mexicans because they are easily manipulated and can be auto-dem votes forever because they will get soup to nuts welfare.
People like you are talking about will not be so easily swayed.
Can you even imagine how much prosperity can come from investing 1-5 measly billions of the money Obama stole and gave his buddies in Fannie Mae , soup kitchens , Rezco and the other fuckers?
I can tell you that I personally know quite a few professors that tear their asses to get a few puny thousands of dollars for their research and PhD students that are living from embarrassing schoolerships.
Investing in those sort of people give back 1000 times the investment in 3-8 years!
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Can you even imagine how much prosperity can come from investing 1-5 measly billions of the money Obama stole and gave his buddies in Fannie Mae , soup kitchens , Rezco and the other fuckers?
I can tell you that I personally know quite a few professors that tear their asses to get a few puny thousands of dollars for their research and PhD students that are living from embarrassing schoolerships.
Investing in those sort of people give back 1000 times the investment in 3-8 years!
No kidding.
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No kidding.
Instead he is legalizing MS13 :-\
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No, we want most of them to go home and stay there. They are not here to pay taxes, they are here to work for cash to send home.
Ask any one of these vermin invaders and the first words out of their mouths is always "in my country". They dont consider the USA their country.
We are the host and they are the parasites.
No, they consider this part of thier country, hence not wanting to speak English. I had a huge debate with a illegal in my office. He said that the USA means United States of the AMERICAS...
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No, they consider this part of thier country, hence not wanting to speak English. I had a huge debate with a illegal in my office. He said that the USA means United States of the AMERICAS...
I get so pissed off at liberal do-gooders who have never dealt with these vermin on a daily basis like i do.
Liberal white guilt is a true mental disorder.
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It's not just with the illegals... you will see the same people crusading for everything and anything leftist and pro-dirtbags...
Few things are as disgusting as seeing that bumper sticker "no human being is illegal', on a car with Minnisota or Michigan plates.
Lets switch out Ann Arbor and Tiajuana and see how fast that sticker get torn off.
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Yeah....come on down to El Paso......drive downtown. There is no difference between that and Juarez.
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All you have to do to get rid of rats is stop feeding them. To get rid of Mexicans, just cut off their welfare (which people like True Adonis claim they can't get anyway) and they will go home. No free housing, no free food, no free medical care, no free daycare education.
Bingo. Give this man a cigar.
Why give amnesty at all? Just send out ICE and BP in force like the SS of Germany and hunt them down. It's in their job description to track down illegals. Build a fucking wall too high to climb and put a mine field on our side so if they somehow make it over or through, they get blown up. They cost too much money, contribute too little and don't want to be full members of society so why have them here?
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Bingo. Give this man a cigar.
Why give amnesty at all? Just send out ICE and BP in force like the SS of Germany and hunt them down. It's in their job description to track down illegals. Build a fucking wall too high to climb and put a mine field on our side so if they somehow make it over or through, they get blown up. They cost too much money, contribute too little and don't want to be full members of society so why have them here?
No no no.... See, you are trying to apply common sense here.... it just won't happen with the government we have today...
If they were serious about stopping the invasion, they would just set the NG up and pick off a few border jumpers. That shit would end overnight.
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No no no.... See, you are trying to apply common sense here.... it just won't happen with the government we have today...
If they were serious about stopping the invasion, they would just set the NG up and pick off a few border jumpers. That shit would end overnight.
I know ICE agents and BP and they have been told to not make any arrests at construction sites, Home Depot, etc. You hear that? Ordered not to make arrests. That's their job. They are paid to twiddle their thumbs at this point. Quit selling that this pricks are escaping persecution and treat them like the criminals they are and let cops do what cops do. End of story.
Parents should have to show proof of citizenship when enrolling their kids in school. That would end billions wasted in education. You should have to show proof of citizenship to go to the doctor, even the emergency room. When they are arrested, simply put them into ICE custody and deport them without trial unless they have committed a crime in addition to being here illegally. You could accomplish the education and health care parts with an ID that is basically your SS card, BC, and thumb print in one. Put in security measures so they can't be faked (easily). We are the only country that gives out so many concessions to illegals. Pathetic.
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Isn't it funny how the most advanced nation in the world cannot come up with an ID card better than a typed Social Security card?
If VISA can do it, why can't the US government?
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Isn't it funny how the most advanced nation in the world cannot come up with an ID card better than a typed Social Security card?
If VISA can do it, why can't the US government?
Because your president is a con man who almost got arrested for his involvement in shady operations a couple of times in his past, that's why.
He need the support of those future free loaders thus he want to legalize them, fuck next phase will be letting them vote as illegals since they still get influenced by the president decisions so they should choose him too ::)
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While I know u guys get it, idiots like TA need to realize that the damm illegals have all kinds of rights. The damm El Paso school district buses kids from Juarez into their schools and back. These are Mexican nationals that get to go to our schools and eat our tax payer funded food, take part in our tax payer funded sports programs and burn our tas payer funded bus fuel. But TA has never been out of his liberal douchbag cocoon and actually seen the rest of the world.
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im not gonna lie,,,its happening here in Arizona right now the state I have my home in,,,though I have homes in other coutnries also if you cross borders to AZ and your not a criminal mexicanyou get let go no questions asked you also get benefits
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TA would defecate himself if he had to spend a few days in El Paso or another one of those border towns...
It's easy to be a lib from behind the safety of your keyboard...
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TA would defecate himself if he had to spend a few days in El Paso or another one of those border towns...
It's easy to be a lib from behind the safety of your keyboard...
I invited TA to come to the Bronx or Brooklyn and tell he how good illegal immigration is working out for us. Silence as usual.
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TA would defecate himself if he had to spend a few days in El Paso or another one of those border towns...
It's easy to be a lib from behind the safety of your keyboard...
you know TA does not live in USA,,,he loves coming in here and arguing though about usa or antyhing pertaining to it,,,he just wants a rise out of you fellas
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No he lives in N. Carolina allegedly.
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No he lives in N. Carolina allegedly.
I thought he lived in his mother basement because he can't find a job due to his degree being held up by his 200$ ticket ::)
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No he lives in N. Carolina allegedly.
no,,he does not he is outside the usa you can check IP addressa nd how he dresses as a woman in secret in american its acceptable to do that and not hide it,,he hides it