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Title: Children just aren’t going to know what snow is
Post by: Moontrane on January 30, 2019, 09:03:17 PM
 The Independent seems to have scrubbed the article, but the internet is forever.  This didn’t age well:

“However, the warming is so far manifesting itself more in winters which are less cold than in much hotter
summers. According to Dr David Viner, a senior research scientist at the climatic research unit (CRU)
of the University of East Anglia,within a few years winter snowfall will become “a very rare and exciting event”.

“Children just aren’t going to know what snow is,” he said.

http://www.climatedepot.com/2018/01/04/flashback-2000-snowfalls-are-now-just-a-thing-of-the-past-children-just-arent-going-to-know-what-snow-is-uk-independent/
Title: Re: Children just aren’t going to know what snow is
Post by: IroNat on January 31, 2019, 05:04:32 AM
2 degrees this morning on the mid-Atlantic east coast.  Brrr!

Just talked with my sister in Buffalo, NY.  3 feet of snow and -20 wind chill.  State of emergency.
Title: Re: Children just aren’t going to know what snow is
Post by: Thin Lizzy on January 31, 2019, 07:01:11 AM
The Independent seems to have scrubbed the article, but the internet is forever.  This didn’t age well:

“However, the warming is so far manifesting itself more in winters which are less cold than in much hotter
summers. According to Dr David Viner, a senior research scientist at the climatic research unit (CRU)
of the University of East Anglia,within a few years winter snowfall will become “a very rare and exciting event”.

“Children just aren’t going to know what snow is,” he said.

http://www.climatedepot.com/2018/01/04/flashback-2000-snowfalls-are-now-just-a-thing-of-the-past-children-just-arent-going-to-know-what-snow-is-uk-independent/


This is what I have been saying. If it’s really getting warmer, there should be a higher highs and higher lows. Now, they’re moving the goalposts and saying that any kind of extreme weather is climate change. This is why they changed the name from global warming, so that they can claim victory no matter what happens.
Title: Re: Children just aren’t going to know what snow is
Post by: residue on January 31, 2019, 07:46:42 AM
This is what I have been saying. If it’s really getting warmer, there should be a higher highs and higher lows. Now, they’re moving the goalposts and saying that any kind of extreme weather is climate change. This is why they changed the name from global warming, so that they can claim victory no matter what happens.

you're right, the world's scientific community is conspiring against coal miners and the combustible engine industry
Title: Re: Children just aren’t going to know what snow is
Post by: Thin Lizzy on January 31, 2019, 08:04:47 AM
you're right, the world's scientific community bought and paid for hacks are conspiring against coal miners and the combustible engine industry

FYP

Title: Re: Children just aren’t going to know what snow is
Post by: myt1 on January 31, 2019, 10:02:56 AM
The Independent seems to have scrubbed the article, but the internet is forever.  This didn’t age well:

“However, the warming is so far manifesting itself more in winters which are less cold than in much hotter
summers. According to Dr David Viner, a senior research scientist at the climatic research unit (CRU)
of the University of East Anglia,within a few years winter snowfall will become “a very rare and exciting event”.

“Children just aren’t going to know what snow is,” he said.

http://www.climatedepot.com/2018/01/04/flashback-2000-snowfalls-are-now-just-a-thing-of-the-past-children-just-arent-going-to-know-what-snow-is-uk-independent/


So this was from a scientist in the U.K.?  I'm not familiar with the weather and geography there.  Is it like the U.S. where you have pretty much no seasons like Florida and mid-lower Cali, and the southern border states and other areas are like the midwest and northeast in the States?  Or is snow a less common thing there as a whole anyway?
Title: Re: Children just aren’t going to know what snow is
Post by: myt1 on January 31, 2019, 10:05:50 AM
This is why they changed the name from global warming, so that they can claim victory no matter what happens.

As much shit as I give libs for not paying attention, you just made me realize that the reporting shift from "global warming" to "climate change" went right past me.  :-[
Title: Re: Children just aren’t going to know what snow is
Post by: loco on January 31, 2019, 10:13:46 AM
As much shit as I give libs for not paying attention, you just made me realize that the reporting shift from "global warming" to "climate change" went right past me.  :-[

And before that:

"Global cooling was a conjecture during the 1970s of imminent cooling of the Earth's surface and atmosphere culminating in a period of extensive glaciation."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_cooling
Title: Re: Children just aren’t going to know what snow is
Post by: Kazan on January 31, 2019, 10:15:59 AM
And before that:

"Global cooling was a conjecture during the 1970s of imminent cooling of the Earth's surface and atmosphere culminating in a period of extensive glaciation."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_cooling

There always has to be some impending doom that is going to befall humanity. One crisis goes away two more pop up to take its place
Title: Re: Children just aren’t going to know what snow is
Post by: myt1 on January 31, 2019, 10:27:15 AM
And before that:

"Global cooling was a conjecture during the 1970s of imminent cooling of the Earth's surface and atmosphere culminating in a period of extensive glaciation."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_cooling


Well then...Liberals, I am sorry for doing the same thing I accused you of!  <----That really wasn't that hard to do.  Just sayin...
Title: Re: Children just aren’t going to know what snow is
Post by: Humble Narcissist on January 31, 2019, 11:22:40 AM
There always has to be some impending doom that is going to befall humanity. One crisis goes away two more pop up to take its place
Read Ayn Rand's Return of the Primitive: The Anti-Industrial Revolution.  She destroys the libtards on global cooling in the 1970's.  Then it became acid rain, global warming and now climate change but the solution for the left is always the same....more government control over the private sector.  The made up crisis changes but the solution always stays the same.
Title: Re: Children just aren’t going to know what snow is
Post by: chaos on January 31, 2019, 05:20:13 PM
Read Ayn Rand's Return of the Primitive: The Anti-Industrial Revolution.  She destroys the libtards on global cooling in the 1970's.  Then it became acid rain, global warming and now climate change but the solution for the left is always the same....more government control over the private sector.  The made up crisis changes but the solution always stays the same.
Acid rain was bullshit!! I stood there like a baby bird waiting to be fed and didn't trip once!
Title: Re: Children just aren’t going to know what snow is
Post by: Moontrane on January 31, 2019, 07:09:57 PM
So this was from a scientist in the U.K.?  I'm not familiar with the weather and geography there.  Is it like the U.S. where you have pretty much no seasons like Florida and mid-lower Cali, and the southern border states and other areas are like the midwest and northeast in the States?  Or is snow a less common thing there as a whole anyway?

Yes, the U.K has seasons, though by being an island (albeit a large one), the maritime effect moderates the highs and lows. 

Current weather in Britain:

UK weather forecast: Britain set for 8INCHES of snow as HURRICANE-FORCE BLIZZARD hits
https://www.express.co.uk/news/weather/1080802/uk-weather-forecast-snow-latest-update-tonight-met-office-wind-cold

Heavy snow disrupts travel on coldest day in UK for seven years
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jan/31/heavy-snow-disrupts-travel-on-coldest-day-in-uk-for-seven-years

UK snow recap: Met Office warns of 'risk to life' and Britain shuts early as snowfall hits
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/uk-weather-forecast-live-snow-13932109

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Title: Re: Children just aren’t going to know what snow is
Post by: myt1 on January 31, 2019, 07:56:48 PM
Thanks for enlightening me Moontrane.   8)  Never had a desire to leave the states so I honestly didn't know.  I don't think I'd ever go to the UK, but I'm starting to re-assess my desire about not checking out somewhere else with the crazy shit here lately.
Title: Re: Children just aren’t going to know what snow is
Post by: Humble Narcissist on February 01, 2019, 04:00:38 AM
Acid rain was bullshit!! I stood there like a baby bird waiting to be fed and didn't trip once!
:D
Title: Re: Children just aren’t going to know what snow is
Post by: loco on February 01, 2019, 04:11:31 AM
Acid rain was bullshit!! I stood there like a baby bird waiting to be fed and didn't trip once!

LOL
Title: Re: Children just aren’t going to know what snow is
Post by: Thin Lizzy on February 01, 2019, 05:13:32 AM
Acid rain was bullshit!! I stood there like a baby bird waiting to be fed and didn't trip once!

Took me a bit to get it, but when I did, I laughed.😂
Title: Re: Children just aren’t going to know what snow is
Post by: Primemuscle on February 01, 2019, 10:01:40 AM
I was waiting for someone to use the recent cold snap as proof that the climate isn't warming. Oregon is having one of the mildest winters I can remember over the last 50 years. Were also (for us) having a bit of a drought. Thanks to likely El Niño.
Title: Re: Children just aren’t going to know what snow is
Post by: Thin Lizzy on February 01, 2019, 11:49:47 AM
I was waiting for someone to use the recent cold snap as proof that the climate isn't warming. Oregon is having one of the mildest winters I can remember over the last 50 years. Were also (for us) having a bit of a drought. Thanks to likely El Niño.

January was couple of degrees above average. There’s nothing historic about that as opposed to the record breaking lows in the Midwest.
Title: Re: Children just aren’t going to know what snow is
Post by: Primemuscle on February 01, 2019, 12:42:33 PM
January was couple of degrees above average. There’s nothing historic about that as opposed to the record breaking lows in the Midwest.

You do realize permanent climate change is gradual and encompasses the whole world. Short-term seasonal record breaking temperatures are far less an indicator of climate change than longterm global changes are. Anything that and anyone who breaks a record is 'historic' until a new record breaks it.
Title: Re: Children just aren’t going to know what snow is
Post by: Thin Lizzy on February 01, 2019, 02:28:25 PM
You do realize permanent climate change is gradual and encompasses the whole world. Short-term seasonal record breaking temperatures are far less an indicator of climate change than longterm global changes are. Anything that and anyone who breaks a record is 'historic' until a new record breaks it.

I realize climate change is whatever the fuck libtards want it to be in order to promote this ridiculous narrative which, as is always the case, has as its endgame taking resources out of the private sector and putting them into the hands of politicians and bureaucrats.

As I said earlier, that’s why the name was changed from global warming to climate change, so victory could be claimed regardless of what happens.
Title: Re: Children just aren’t going to know what snow is
Post by: myt1 on February 01, 2019, 03:30:54 PM
You do realize permanent climate change is gradual and encompasses the whole world. Short-term seasonal record breaking temperatures are far less an indicator of climate change than longterm global changes are. Anything that and anyone who breaks a record is 'historic' until a new record breaks it.

Well how the hell gradual are we supposed to get our panties in a bunch about Prime?  Til someone posted about the acid rain thing, I completely forgot about learning about that in 3rd or 4th grade and being afraid to have to make my 1.5 mile walk to or from school when it was raining out until I finally jumped in a puddle barefoot and realized my skin didn't dissolve.

Then came the O-Zone layer, and girls were supposed to stop using aqua-net to tease their bangs up.  Then global warming, and now climate change. 

When the lakes start disappearing, and fish evolve into new land creatures I might finally start to take this shit seriously again.  Notice how it's mostly people on the west coast that are assured it's taking place.  Visit the midwest a couple winters in a row and stay for a spell.  It might make you re-think this.
Title: Re: Children just aren’t going to know what snow is
Post by: chaos on February 01, 2019, 06:01:57 PM
You do realize permanent climate change is gradual and encompasses the whole world.
It's a natural cycle. We'll be fine.
Title: Re: Children just aren’t going to know what snow is
Post by: Primemuscle on February 01, 2019, 06:18:48 PM
Well how the hell gradual are we supposed to get our panties in a bunch about Prime?  Til someone posted about the acid rain thing, I completely forgot about learning about that in 3rd or 4th grade and being afraid to have to make my 1.5 mile walk to or from school when it was raining out until I finally jumped in a puddle barefoot and realized my skin didn't dissolve.

Then came the O-Zone layer, and girls were supposed to stop using aqua-net to tease their bangs up.  Then global warming, and now climate change. 

When the lakes start disappearing, and fish evolve into new land creatures I might finally start to take this shit seriously again.  Notice how it's mostly people on the west coast that are assured it's taking place.  Visit the midwest a couple winters in a row and stay for a spell.  It might make you re-think this.

I'm not a meteorologist, nor do I have a background in weather science. So, like most folks in the world, I rely on what these educated specialists have to say about global warming.

Seventeen of the 18 warmest years in the 136-year record all have occurred since 2001, with the exception of 1998. The year 2016 ranks as the warmest on record. (Source: NASA/GISS). This research is broadly consistent with similar constructions prepared by the Climatic Research Unit and the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration.

Check this interactive world map out by moving the scroll at the bottom . It's interesting to see how global warming has escalated in recent years.  The time series shows the five-year average variation of global surface temperatures. Dark blue indicates areas cooler than average. Dark red indicates areas warmer than average.

https://climate.nasa.gov/vital-signs/global-temperature/
Title: Re: Children just aren’t going to know what snow is
Post by: chaos on February 01, 2019, 06:23:06 PM
I'm not a meteorologist, nor do I have a background in weather science. So, like most folks in the world, I rely on what these educated specialists have to say about global warming.

 
Even these "educated specialists" don't agree with each other. ::)
Title: Re: Children just aren’t going to know what snow is
Post by: Primemuscle on February 01, 2019, 07:09:29 PM
Even these "educated specialists" don't agree with each other. ::)

Do they ever? There are various ways to look at anything and there can be bias for and against climate change. Also, there are many ways to interpret the recent drought and resulting fires which have had much of California looking like hell on earth the last couple of years. That the climate is changing should be indisputable, why this is happening is open for discussion. The possibility of human's responsibility to it should not be the political football it has become.   
Title: Re: Children just aren’t going to know what snow is
Post by: myt1 on February 01, 2019, 07:27:30 PM
I'm not a meteorologist, nor do I have a background in weather science. So, like most folks in the world, I rely on what these educated specialists have to say about global warming.

Seventeen of the 18 warmest years in the 136-year record all have occurred since 2001, with the exception of 1998. The year 2016 ranks as the warmest on record. (Source: NASA/GISS). This research is broadly consistent with similar constructions prepared by the Climatic Research Unit and the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration.

Check this interactive world map out by moving the scroll at the bottom . It's interesting to see how global warming has escalated in recent years.  The time series shows the five-year average variation of global surface temperatures. Dark blue indicates areas cooler than average. Dark red indicates areas warmer than average.

https://climate.nasa.gov/vital-signs/global-temperature/

Specialists???  Based on what you've said about where you live, I'll cut you slack in thinking your local weather people are good at their job since there's not as many conditions to choose from.  Pretty much have a 50-50 shot in the west. 

Ask anyone in the northeast and midwest how much stock they put into the previous days weather report, and you'll understand why so many question this shit.

One thing we have in common Prime, is we look shit up when we are curious.  Your stat about 136 years made me google the following things: 

Q1) When was the Ice Age?         A1) 2.4 million years ago
Q2) When was the dinosaur age? A2) 66 million years ago

Stop and think about that for a minute.  Do you still think things aren't cyclical?
Title: Re: Children just aren’t going to know what snow is
Post by: myt1 on February 01, 2019, 07:36:41 PM
Do they ever? There are various ways to look at anything and there can be bias for and against climate change. Also, there are many ways to interpret the recent drought and resulting fires which have had much of California looking like hell on earth the last couple of years. That the climate is changing should be indisputable, why this is happening is open for discussion. The possibility of human's responsibility to it should not be the political football it has become.   

Here's some irony for ya.  The two biggest do whatever you want, we care about humanity, we care about the environment states are Cali and NY, which just so happen to have the some of the nation's largest air quality problems. 

If there is such a thing as global warming it's because of the west coast and upper east coast.  Look at weather patterns when you're watching the weather.  Air streams push up or down from the coasts inward and outward depending on where you're at >:(.  So all the shit these fuckers are putting into the air as the largest populated cities in the country is affecting all of us, and yet they are the ones pushing this bullshit narrative.... Damn hypocrites!
Title: Re: Children just aren’t going to know what snow is
Post by: Primemuscle on February 01, 2019, 08:20:08 PM
Specialists???  Based on what you've said about where you live, I'll cut you slack in thinking your local weather people are good at their job since there's not as many conditions to choose from.  Pretty much have a 50-50 shot in the west. 

Ask anyone in the northeast and midwest how much stock they put into the previous days weather report, and you'll understand why so many question this shit.

One thing we have in common Prime, is we look shit up when we are curious.  Your stat about 136 years made me google the following things: 

Q1) When was the Ice Age?         A1) 2.4 million years ago
Q2) When was the dinosaur age? A2) 66 million years ago

Stop and think about that for a minute.  Do you still think things aren't cyclical?

Where did I say that I didn't think climate changes (things) are cyclical? Of course they are.

Two thoughts:

1. Being an educated specialist doesn't guarantee you're right all the time.

2. Dinosaurs were on Earth for between 165 & 177 million years from the mid Triassic to the end. The Pleistocene Epoch (Ice Age) is typically defined as the time period that began about 2.6 million years ago and lasted until about 11,700 years ago. Dinosaurs enjoyed a warm climate with an average of 73 °F. Earth's current average temperature is somewhere between 57 and 60 °F. During the ice age it was probably about 45 to 48 °F. Not sure why how long ago those ages were is as important as how fast and how much the earth's temperature is currently increasing.
Title: Re: Children just aren’t going to know what snow is
Post by: myt1 on February 02, 2019, 12:48:07 AM
Where did I say that I didn't think climate changes (things) are cyclical? Of course they are.

Two thoughts:

1. Being an educated specialist doesn't guarantee you're right all the time.

2. Dinosaurs were on Earth for between 165 & 177 million years from the mid Triassic to the end. The Pleistocene Epoch (Ice Age) is typically defined as the time period that began about 2.6 million years ago and lasted until about 11,700 years ago. Dinosaurs enjoyed a warm climate with an average of 73 °F. Earth's current average temperature is somewhere between 57 and 60 °F. During the ice age it was probably about 45 to 48 °F. Not sure why how long ago those ages were is as important as how fast and how much the earth's temperature is currently increasing.

I apologize.  I looked back and you are right, you did not say it wasn't.  Someone else made the point that it was cyclical, and I assumed your response I quoted was trying to dispute that.  You know what they say about the word assume......however, I just made an ass out of me.  Sorry!

My point with the ages is that it was warm 66 million years ago, during the dinosaur age.  Then roughly 62.5 million years later it was the Ice Age.   While avg. temps may have increased (actually the last 3 summers here have been cooler than normal, but to your side of the debate the winters have been the same if not slightly milder.. until these last couple weeks at least).  Who's to say another Ice Age isn't in the future?

Enjoy your posts.  Sorry for putting words into your mouth.

BTW, I should have known better than to bring up ancient history with an old dude.  You obviously know more about the two ages than I do, and have better recall it seems. :D
Title: Re: Children just aren’t going to know what snow is
Post by: Thin Lizzy on February 02, 2019, 09:45:17 AM
 Why would anyone think that the climate would stay completely constant until eternity? Of course there’s going to be some change.
Title: Re: Children just aren’t going to know what snow is
Post by: Primemuscle on February 02, 2019, 10:14:48 AM
I apologize.  I looked back and you are right, you did not say it wasn't.  Someone else made the point that it was cyclical, and I assumed your response I quoted was trying to dispute that.  You know what they say about the word assume......however, I just made an ass out of me.  Sorry!

My point with the ages is that it was warm 66 million years ago, during the dinosaur age.  Then roughly 62.5 million years later it was the Ice Age.   While avg. temps may have increased (actually the last 3 summers here have been cooler than normal, but to your side of the debate the winters have been the same if not slightly milder.. until these last couple weeks at least).  Who's to say another Ice Age isn't in the future?

Enjoy your posts.  Sorry for putting words into your mouth.

BTW, I should have known better than to bring up ancient history with an old dude.  You obviously know more about the two ages than I do, and have better recall it seems. :D

You don't need to apologize. Written communications are often misread or misunderstood. This is why having a discussion face to face is so much better. I have a habit of leaving letters out of a word or leaving the whole word out which I sometimes fail to catch  no matter how many times I edit my posts.

While recently reading about the earth's climate, I discovered that according to one article, we are still in the last ice age.
Title: Re: Children just aren’t going to know what snow is
Post by: chaos on February 02, 2019, 10:38:36 AM
Do they ever? There are various ways to look at anything and there can be bias for and against climate change. Also, there are many ways to interpret the recent drought and resulting fires which have had much of California looking like hell on earth the last couple of years. That the climate is changing should be indisputable, why this is happening is open for discussion. The possibility of human's responsibility to it should not be the political football it has become.   
If people didn't pump water into CA, the place would be a desert wasteland. The "drought" is normal weather cycle. The recent fires are the democrat government fault, if they would learn to manage our taxpayer dollars better, maybe they could have cleared the underbrush and helped control the situation. But they would rather give millions upon millions of our dollars to illegal immigrants that don't belong here, drug addicts that shit and piss in the street, a train to nowhere that nobody asked for and line their own pockets than take care of their responsibilities to the people that elected them.
Title: Re: Children just aren’t going to know what snow is
Post by: Primemuscle on February 02, 2019, 01:52:21 PM
If people didn't pump water into CA, the place would be a desert wasteland. The "drought" is normal weather cycle. The recent fires are the democrat government fault, if they would learn to manage our taxpayer dollars better, maybe they could have cleared the underbrush and helped control the situation. But they would rather give millions upon millions of our dollars to illegal immigrants that don't belong here, drug addicts that shit and piss in the street, a train to nowhere that nobody asked for and line their own pockets than take care of their responsibilities to the people that elected them.

Since you rightfully have an opinion on pretty much everything government does, you should consider running for the California state legislature. I think it is a bit odd that you exclusively blame democrats and not government in general for California's woes. Maybe this is because in California democrats have the super majority in both the house and the senate. -Guess there's nothing left for you few republicans to do but move out of state. Beating a dead horse must get old. :)

California had the most wild fires, but it isn't the only state that was burning up last year and the year before. BTW, I am in favor of better forest management. You should see the forest floors in Bavaria, Germany,  they look clean as a whistle...no underbrush.
Title: Re: Children just aren’t going to know what snow is
Post by: Primemuscle on February 02, 2019, 02:22:47 PM
Global warming is real. I am fairly sure man does not have the ability to end it. It's a comparatively tiny aspect of the benefits of investing in climate control, but we do have the know how to improve air quality. We've done it already. Back in the 1900's building were heated with coal burning furnaces. In Eastern cities where this was most prevalent, people lived in a cloud of soot which clung to everything. Los Angeles, CA suffers poor and harmful air quality known as smog. These are examples of things over which we have some control. However, doing them won't stop global warming. It may reduce the pace at which global warming is accelerating.
Title: Re: Children just aren’t going to know what snow is
Post by: chaos on February 02, 2019, 02:30:25 PM
Since you rightfully have an opinion on pretty much everything government does, you should consider running for the California state legislature. I think it is a bit odd that you exclusively blame democrats and not government in general for California's woes. Maybe this is because in California democrats have the super majority in both the house and the senate. -Guess there's nothing left for you few republicans to do but move out of state. Beating a dead horse must get old. :)

California had the most wild fires, but it isn't the only state that was burning up last year and the year before. BTW, I am in favor of better forest management. You should see the forest floors in Bavaria, Germany,  they look clean as a whistle...no underbrush.

I should consider a run for office, this state could use a little chaos to straighten it out. ;)
Title: Re: Children just aren’t going to know what snow is
Post by: myt1 on February 02, 2019, 06:10:01 PM
You don't need to apologize. Written communications are often misread or misunderstood.

You're right Prime online communication often is.  However, the problem is when people just consider moving on and not acknowledging their mistakes when it's pointed out as the air being clear.  I fucked up, and I my feeling is an apology was necessary for making a mistake.  I wish more people realized that's an important part of having a healthy conversation, and not letting a "wall" come between us. 8)

The biggest problem in our country is not racism or bigotry.  It's that everyone is yelling about what they think someone is without acknowledging their differences, and just talking about them.
Title: Re: Children just aren’t going to know what snow is
Post by: Primemuscle on February 03, 2019, 01:39:09 AM
I should consider a run for office, this state could use a little chaos to straighten it out. ;)


Your pun is intended and funny.  Honestly, I was being serious. Sometimes the way to fix things is to get right in to the thick of it and shake it up. The whole west coast has a political imbalance weighted by tons of democrats. We libs aren't going away, but conservatives should step up to the plate. It's much more likely for two sides to find compromise when they are evenly matched, unless it's the Hatfields and the McCoys. Then both sides lose. ;D
Title: Re: Children just aren’t going to know what snow is
Post by: Humble Narcissist on February 03, 2019, 03:16:05 AM
Where did I say that I didn't think climate changes (things) are cyclical? Of course they are.

Two thoughts:

1. Being an educated specialist doesn't guarantee you're right all the time.

2. Dinosaurs were on Earth for between 165 & 177 million years from the mid Triassic to the end. The Pleistocene Epoch (Ice Age) is typically defined as the time period that began about 2.6 million years ago and lasted until about 11,700 years ago. Dinosaurs enjoyed a warm climate with an average of 73 °F. Earth's current average temperature is somewhere between 57 and 60 °F. During the ice age it was probably about 45 to 48 °F. Not sure why how long ago those ages were is as important as how fast and how much the earth's temperature is currently increasing.
I love how people quote numbers like this like it is a factual thing.  165 to 177 million years ago. ::)
Title: Re: Children just aren’t going to know what snow is
Post by: chaos on February 03, 2019, 08:55:20 AM
Your pun is intended and funny.  Honestly, I was being serious. Sometimes the way to fix things is to get right in to the thick of it and shake it up. The whole west coast has a political imbalance weighted by tons of democrats. We libs aren't going away, but conservatives should step up to the plate. It's much more likely for two sides to find compromise when they are evenly matched, unless it's the Hatfields and the McCoys. Then both sides lose. ;D
The dems have this state solidly with all the free shit they promise people, then tax the fuck out of working people. I just saw 2.6 billion being spent to build a stadium for the rams. Where do you suppose that money came from? What about CA's train to nowhere? Anywhere from 60-77 BILLION dollars. For what? Then my car registration skyrockets because we have no money to fix roads? LMAO, fucking corrupt pieces of shit in Suckremento.
Title: Re: Children just aren’t going to know what snow is
Post by: myt1 on February 03, 2019, 02:47:31 PM
I love how people quote numbers like this like it is a factual thing.  165 to 177 million years ago. ::)

In all fairness to him, if you read the thread he did that in response to me googling the ice age and dinosaur age to illustrate the cyclical nature of the climate

I was being a smart-ass, and he one-upped me on the subject matter discussed.  ;D
Title: Re: Children just aren’t going to know what snow is
Post by: Primemuscle on February 03, 2019, 03:50:35 PM
I love how people quote numbers like this like it is a factual thing.  165 to 177 million years ago. ::)

If I said or implied these things are facts, I misspoke.

Sometimes, one has to go with the best information available. Climatology, paleontology and anthropology aren't exact sciences. I thought every knew that. It is even debatable whether or not anthropology is scientific or holistic.

"Anthropology has origins in the natural sciences, the humanities, and the social sciences."

"...Paleontology is the study of what fossils tell us about the ecologies of the past, about evolution, and about our place, as humans, in the world."

Climatology is the science that deals with climates and their phenomena

https://www.sciencedaily.com/terms/anthropology.htm

http://www.ucmp.berkeley.edu/paleo/paleowhat.html
Title: Re: Children just aren’t going to know what snow is
Post by: Humble Narcissist on February 04, 2019, 03:33:23 AM
If I said or implied these things are facts, I misspoke.

Sometimes, one has to go with the best information available. Climatology, paleontology and anthropology aren't exact sciences. I thought every knew that. It is even debatable whether or not anthropology is scientific or holistic.

"Anthropology has origins in the natural sciences, the humanities, and the social sciences."

"...Paleontology is the study of what fossils tell us about the ecologies of the past, about evolution, and about our place, as humans, in the world."

Climatology is the science that deals with climates and their phenomena

https://www.sciencedaily.com/terms/anthropology.htm

http://www.ucmp.berkeley.edu/paleo/paleowhat.html
I wasn't even referring to you specifically but that general "scientific" opinion.
Title: Re: Children just aren’t going to know what snow is
Post by: Primemuscle on February 04, 2019, 02:45:01 PM
I wasn't even referring to you specifically but that general "scientific" opinion.

True, but your comment was in response to my post, which implies I also stated it as fact. I'm not sure who believes these things are anything but theories.
Title: Re: Children just aren’t going to know what snow is
Post by: Humble Narcissist on February 04, 2019, 03:38:48 PM
True, but your comment was in response to my post, which implies I also stated it as fact. I'm not sure who believes these things are anything but theories.
Many people.  You should see the arguments I get in with people on Youtube. ;D
Title: Re: Children just aren’t going to know what snow is
Post by: Primemuscle on February 04, 2019, 06:57:29 PM
Many people.  You should see the arguments I get in with people on Youtube. ;D

I've come to the conclusion that it's easier to let folks believe what they want, because most are so closed-minded they will never accept or learn anything new. Sad!
Title: Re: Children just aren’t going to know what snow is
Post by: Thin Lizzy on February 09, 2019, 12:27:26 PM
I was waiting for someone to use the recent cold snap as proof that the climate isn't warming. Oregon is having one of the mildest winters I can remember over the last 50 years. Were also (for us) having a bit of a drought. Thanks to likely El Niño.

Better crank up that heater, Prime😆


https://www.accuweather.com/en/weather-news/seattle-can-record-snowiest-winter-in-a-decade-by-midweek-as-unusual-train-of-snowstorms-continues/70007392

Bitter cold will have all residents in the Northwest shivering on Saturday night as temperatures plunge 15-20 degrees Fahrenheit below normal, even along the coast.

Some record lows will be challenged, including in Seattle and Portland.
Title: Re: Children just aren’t going to know what snow is
Post by: Thin Lizzy on February 09, 2019, 03:36:38 PM
Oh, My! :o



Michelle Obama postpones Portland appearance due to snow - oregonlive.com

https://www.oregonlive.com//entertainment/2019/02/michelle-obama-postpones-portland-appearance-due-to-snow.html
Title: Re: Children just aren’t going to know what snow is
Post by: myt1 on February 09, 2019, 07:40:57 PM
Oh, My! :o



Michelle Obama postpones Portland appearance due to snow - oregonlive.com

https://www.oregonlive.com//entertainment/2019/02/michelle-obama-postpones-portland-appearance-due-to-snow.html

Are you implying she realized her views on climate change might not have been warmly received?
Title: Re: Children just aren’t going to know what snow is
Post by: Thin Lizzy on February 10, 2019, 06:51:29 AM
Are you implying she realized her views on climate change might not have been warmly received?

LOL. This has a habit of happening. I remember Al Gore was supposed to give a speech on global warming
on a day of record cold weather.


As an aside, Prime, talk to us, Man. Some of us here on the north east might be able to give you some tips on how to deal with heavy snow.




Photos: Heavy snow slams Washington and Oregon, triggering major travel disruptions - AccuWeather.com

https://www.accuweather.com/en/weather-news/photos-heavy-snow-slams-washington-and-oregon-triggering-major-travel-disruptions/70007391
Title: Re: Children just aren’t going to know what snow is
Post by: illuminati on February 10, 2019, 07:14:28 AM
I've come to the conclusion that it's easier to let folks believe what they want, because most are so closed-minded they will never accept or learn anything new. Sad!

I’m really undecided on this global warming business
I do think it’s likely what we Humans are doing has an impact - to what extent is completely unknown.
In my lifetime - when I was a kid the warnings were of a mini ice age affecting the U.K. & then 25/30 odd years later the talk was & is about global warming!!  ::)

The world has been through heating & cooling phases long before we Humans were here !!!
Whatever caused them could very likely be responsible for whatever’s happening now,
So I’m not getting worked up by all the naysayers with their doom & gloom Bollocks,
They appear not know their arses from their elbows.
Title: Re: Children just aren’t going to know what snow is
Post by: myt1 on February 10, 2019, 07:55:52 PM
LOL. This has a habit of happening. I remember Al Gore was supposed to give a speech on global warming
on a day of record cold weather.


As an aside, Prime, talk to us, Man. Some of us here on the north east might be able to give you some tips on how to deal with heavy snow.




Photos: Heavy snow slams Washington and Oregon, triggering major travel disruptions - AccuWeather.com

https://www.accuweather.com/en/weather-news/photos-heavy-snow-slams-washington-and-oregon-triggering-major-travel-disruptions/70007391

I get that things are region specific when it comes to preparedness, but 7.9 in Seattle and 4 in Portland is being called "Snowmageddon" ::)  That wasn't even enough for a "snow day" while in grade thru middle school where I grew up.

Geez, grab some mittens, a shovel, and a sled and have some fucking fun with it!
Title: Re: Children just aren’t going to know what snow is
Post by: Thin Lizzy on February 11, 2019, 05:32:22 AM
I get that things are region specific when it comes to preparedness, but 7.9 in Seattle and 4 in Portland is being called "Snowmageddon" ::)  That wasn't even enough for a "snow day" while in grade thru middle school where I grew up.

Geez, grab some mittens, a shovel, and a sled and have some fucking fun with it!

LMAO



Donald J. Trump
Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
Well, it happened again. Amy Klobuchar announced that she is running for President, talking proudly of fighting global warming while standing in a virtual blizzard of snow, ice and freezing temperatures. Bad timing. By the end of her speech she looked like a Snowman(woman)!


Speech · Amy for America

https://amyklobuchar.com/speech/
Title: Re: Children just aren’t going to know what snow is
Post by: Soul Crusher on February 11, 2019, 08:04:14 AM
Ha ha ha
Title: Re: Children just aren’t going to know what snow is
Post by: loco on February 11, 2019, 08:30:28 AM
LMAO



Donald J. Trump
Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
Well, it happened again. Amy Klobuchar announced that she is running for President, talking proudly of fighting global warming while standing in a virtual blizzard of snow, ice and freezing temperatures. Bad timing. By the end of her speech she looked like a Snowman(woman)!


Speech · Amy for America

https://amyklobuchar.com/speech/

(https://amp.businessinsider.com/images/5c60938d342cca6dcf27f662-750-519.jpg)

(https://a57.foxnews.com/media2.foxnews.com/BrightCove/694940094001/2019/02/10/931/524/694940094001_6000547926001_6000549458001-vs.jpg?ve=1&tl=1)

(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/disney/images/f/f7/Olaf_transparent_pose.png/revision/latest?cb=20160301215157)
Title: Re: Children just aren’t going to know what snow is
Post by: illuminati on February 11, 2019, 09:26:20 AM
(https://amp.businessinsider.com/images/5c60938d342cca6dcf27f662-750-519.jpg)

(https://a57.foxnews.com/media2.foxnews.com/BrightCove/694940094001/2019/02/10/931/524/694940094001_6000547926001_6000549458001-vs.jpg?ve=1&tl=1)

(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/disney/images/f/f7/Olaf_transparent_pose.png/revision/latest?cb=20160301215157)


Global Fucking Warming  ::) ::)

Delusional Fucktards
Title: Re: Children just aren’t going to know what snow is
Post by: Thin Lizzy on February 11, 2019, 10:49:05 AM
She won’t recover.
Title: Re: Children just aren’t going to know what snow is
Post by: loco on February 11, 2019, 11:49:28 AM
(https://www.mauiinformationguide.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/snow-in-hawaii.jpg)
Title: Re: Children just aren’t going to know what snow is
Post by: SOMEPARTS on February 11, 2019, 12:54:20 PM
I'm going to have to get a Twitter account, just for these ownings in real time. Trump starts cranking on every candidate as soon as they announce. The guy is a savage when it comes to social media.
Title: Re: Children just aren’t going to know what snow is
Post by: Humble Narcissist on February 11, 2019, 01:13:23 PM
I'm going to have to get a Twitter account, just for these ownings in real time. Trump starts cranking on every candidate as soon as they announce. The guy is a savage when it comes to social media.
It's the only reason I have a Twitter account.
Title: Re: Children just aren’t going to know what snow is
Post by: myt1 on February 11, 2019, 01:58:29 PM
I'm going to have to get a Twitter account, just for these ownings in real time. Trump starts cranking on every candidate as soon as they announce. The guy is a savage when it comes to social media.

Me too.  I said I was going to in another thread, but I was joking and didn't....this stuff is just getting to good to continue my avoidance though.  Hopefully "myt1" hasn't been taken.

Fuck me.....everything after my "get some mittens...." post has my eyes waterin from laughin so hard.   You guys find some great stuff! 

Trumps gender neutral "snowman(woman)...hilarious!!! ;D
Title: Re: Children just aren’t going to know what snow is
Post by: Thin Lizzy on February 12, 2019, 10:39:12 AM
Still no word from Prime? Hopefully, the poor guy will thaw out soon🥶🥶
Title: Re: Children just aren’t going to know what snow is
Post by: Primemuscle on February 12, 2019, 11:46:55 AM
Oh, My! :o



Michelle Obama postpones Portland appearance due to snow - oregonlive.com

https://www.oregonlive.com//entertainment/2019/02/michelle-obama-postpones-portland-appearance-due-to-snow.html

The weather forecast called for a lot more snow than we got.
Title: Re: Children just aren’t going to know what snow is
Post by: Thin Lizzy on February 12, 2019, 12:46:47 PM
The weather forecast called for a lot more snow than we got.

So, the forecast was incorrect but the climate change analysis is beyond reproach?🤔
Title: Re: Children just aren’t going to know what snow is
Post by: myt1 on February 12, 2019, 04:33:54 PM
The weather forecast called for a lot more snow than we got.

Welcome to life outside of the west coast and south!  Still believe climate change "experts" and "meteorologists" know wtf they're talking about?
Title: Re: Children just aren’t going to know what snow is
Post by: chaos on February 12, 2019, 07:39:27 PM
So, the forecast was incorrect but the climate change analysis is beyond reproach?🤔
Can't be precise about tomorrows weather, but can tell you the temperature on this date 10,000 years ago. ::)
Title: Re: Children just aren’t going to know what snow is
Post by: Humble Narcissist on February 13, 2019, 03:39:02 AM
Can't be precise about tomorrows weather, but can tell you the temperature on this date 10,000 years ago. ::)
Or 100 years in the future.  Libtards are the best and the brightest.
Title: Re: Children just aren’t going to know what snow is
Post by: Thin Lizzy on February 13, 2019, 05:01:02 AM
Anyone who looks at the long range forecasts (10-15 days) regularly knows that they change every day.
Title: Re: Children just aren’t going to know what snow is
Post by: myt1 on February 13, 2019, 09:38:50 PM
Welcome to life outside of the west coast and south!  Still believe climate change "experts" and "meteorologists" know wtf they're talking about?

I'm getting worried.  Prime hasn't responded to my question, or any of your guys' posts.  Is he frozen solid? 

Fact: The types of places that don't get snow regularly each year are often unprepared for such devastating 4" blizzards. I hope he is OK. :o

Prime,

If you are frozen in a block of ice right now, you can hopefully see through it well enough to read this:

DO NOT PANIC, OR WORRY!  I checked Al Gore's Twitter, and I'm now certain that global warming/climate change will work in your favor during this difficult time.  As long as California keeps letting illegals in, their increase in emissions should have you thawed out by next week.  We're all pulling for you Prime!  You are a COOL guy!
Title: Re: Children just aren’t going to know what snow is
Post by: Primemuscle on February 15, 2019, 07:20:39 PM
Welcome to life outside of the west coast and south!  Still believe climate change "experts" and "meteorologists" know wtf they're talking about?

Yes, I believe some "experts" and "meteorologists" do know what they are talking about. The daily report from the 'weatherman' on your local news is not a good example of climate change science. Analyzing past and predicting future weather patterns (climate change) and forecasting the daily weather are two entirely different things.
Title: Re: Children just aren’t going to know what snow is
Post by: Humble Narcissist on February 16, 2019, 03:28:06 AM
Yes, I believe some "experts" and "meteorologists" do know what they are talking about. The daily report from the 'weatherman' on your local news is not a good example of climate change science. Analyzing past and predicting future weather patterns (climate change) and forecasting the daily weather are two entirely different things.
But you won't know if their predictions are right for 100 years.  This is the smokescreen they use.  They make apocalyptic claims for the future and the solution is government control now.  They will never be called out when wrong because we will all be dead by then.
Title: Re: Children just aren’t going to know what snow is
Post by: illuminati on February 16, 2019, 11:01:31 AM
Yes, I believe some "experts" and "meteorologists" do know what they are talking about. The daily report from the 'weatherman' on your local news is not a good example of climate change science. Analyzing past and predicting future weather patterns (climate change) and forecasting the daily weather are two entirely different things.

And some Experts Believe The World is Flat
And That the World is Only 6,000 yrs old.

Do you believe those experts Also.
Title: Re: Children just aren’t going to know what snow is
Post by: Humble Narcissist on February 16, 2019, 12:08:40 PM
And some Experts Believe The World is Flat
And That the World is Only 6,000 yrs old.

Do you believe those experts Also.
Leave Wiggs out of this. ;D