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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Steroids Info & Hardcore => Topic started by: dyslexic on October 19, 2013, 03:38:07 PM
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dosed at 100 mcg per ml and I'm only using a drop in the AM on an MT stomach (liquid obviously)
melting the fat like mad, but damn.. that "uneasy" feeling. I can sleep at night, but the rest of the day is kind of miserable.
I'm eating like a mofo to keep my muscle, but I can tell the shit is still attacking my muscle disproportionately to the fat.
Can't even imagine running Clen on top of it. I am one HYPERSENSITIVE S.O.B when it comes to taking ANYTHING!
I was at 9% bodyfat when I started @ 180lbs.
Now Im at 7% at 175. Would love to believe that I burned 5 lbs of fat but since I know my body and what I see, I'm sayin' that I burned 3 lbs of muscle and 2 lbs. of fat
No cardio, but eating everything in sight.
I've run this shit before but this is insanity. Don't know how you guys do it. Must really "man-up" I suppose....
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I don't plan on using the stuff because of everything you just mentioned but I'm curious how much gear you're using on top of that...
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Just get you some BP meds
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Never used steroids but I have used fatloss research chems.
Added some t3(50mcg) to my clen cycle and it gave me a sick uneasy feeling in the gym. Made me nauseous. Cold chills. Clammy. Dropped the dosage to 12-25mcg and was ok. But dropped the clen completely because of the cramps.
Who knows how much t3 was actually in there being a "research chem".
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My advice is don't use high dosages of t3 as a fatloss aide. Use low to moderate dosages to simply keep T3 levels from dropping while dieting hard.
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My advice is don't use high dosages of t3 as a fatloss aide. Use low to moderate dosages to simply keep T3 levels from dropping while dieting hard.
I find the sweet spot at 50-75mcg... any more and the sides go up disproportionately to the increase in fat loss... I run pharma cynomel.
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T3 and clen is a hell of combo for losing fat. I paradoxically felt uber lethargic like I could lay down on a dirty neegar floor and sleep whilst on it. A lot of the loss was probably also muscle because I was using 100 mcg T3, but the clen made me fucking borderline anorexic. I would puke if I tried to eat animal proteins like I was used to. I had to force shakes down or I would have lost a ton of muscle. T3 is no joke. It will work. Sometimes too well.
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1) Not using high doses, just a smidgen in an oral syringe. The liquid research stuff is always dosed high. At the level I am using, it "should" be 12.5 mcg, but I know from the way I feel that it is more like 50 -70.
2) Can't diet hard on this stuff. I will wilt away
3) Yes, running Test Ace and Cyp to try and keep gains. Don't believe that high protein helps in this situation as metabolism is revved so high, so I go for the protein-sparing macro: CARBS! From past experience I know not to cut calories b/c I already have a fast metabolism.
4) No tremors or palpitations, just the clammy palms and sweats.
5) Only taking first thing in the morning, not throughout the day
6) Already since I posted the little fat that I had around the belly button has shrunk, even after eating and going directly to sleep.
If I can handle the 'sides' to this stuff, I will only go for four weeks. I would much rather have tabs, but this stuff wasn't pricey... except for the risk you take in dosing. If I didn't know better or was of the mentality "if a little is good, more is better" I'm sure I would have loaded the oral to 1 ml and thought I would be getting 100 mcg's and throw caution to the wind, when in fact I'd probably be checking into the E.R.
People gotta use their heads with this shit. I should just be dieting hard and doing cardio but sometimes... well, you know. That's why I'm posting here.
I just want to get rid of this little bit of stubborn fat by my navel and low back. It's like liquid Lipo I suppose. Once it's gone, my diet will tighten back up and I won't let that stubborn fat come back.
Glad to know I'm not the only one who feels like shit on this stuff. It was expected. I don't like the fact that it drains you of energy even when carbs are high and the Ace kicks in. Makes it tough to get through a workout b/c your body is expending energy through another means.
I'm thinking about maybe more of an E.O.D protocol, but I'm not sure if that would defeat the purpose.
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take it before bed so you will feel tired and kinda shitty at night when u sleep which wouldn't matter
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1) Not using high doses, just a smidgen in an oral syringe. The liquid research stuff is always dosed high. At the level I am using, it "should" be 12.5 mcg, but I know from the way I feel that it is more like 50 -70.
2) Can't diet hard on this stuff. I will wilt away
3) Yes, running Test Ace and Cyp to try and keep gains. Don't believe that high protein helps in this situation as metabolism is revved so high, so I go for the protein-sparing macro: CARBS! From past experience I know not to cut calories b/c I already have a fast metabolism.
4) No tremors or palpitations, just the clammy palms and sweats.
5) Only taking first thing in the morning, not throughout the day
6) Already since I posted the little fat that I had around the belly button has shrunk, even after eating and going directly to sleep.
If I can handle the 'sides' to this stuff, I will only go for four weeks. I would much rather have tabs, but this stuff wasn't pricey... except for the risk you take in dosing. If I didn't know better or was of the mentality "if a little is good, more is better" I'm sure I would have loaded the oral to 1 ml and thought I would be getting 100 mcg's and throw caution to the wind, when in fact I'd probably be checking into the E.R.
People gotta use their heads with this shit. I should just be dieting hard and doing cardio but sometimes... well, you know. That's why I'm posting here.
I just want to get rid of this little bit of stubborn fat by my navel and low back. It's like liquid Lipo I suppose. Once it's gone, my diet will tighten back up and I won't let that stubborn fat come back.
Glad to know I'm not the only one who feels like shit on this stuff. It was expected. I don't like the fact that it drains you of energy even when carbs are high and the Ace kicks in. Makes it tough to get through a workout b/c your body is expending energy through another means.
I'm thinking about maybe more of an E.O.D protocol, but I'm not sure if that would defeat the purpose.
man fuck the research liquids.... you can get real pharma cynomel from an online pharmacy for 20 bucks a bottle....
the only couple times ive used research chems they felt wildly off dosage both high and low depending in the batch, and its impossible to properly dose anyway thanks to the dropper.
spend the extra couple bucks and get the real tabs. Makes it a whole lot easier to know whats going on.
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take it before bed so you will feel tired and kinda shitty at night when u sleep which wouldn't matter
That actually sounds logical, but I'd probably need a tranquilizer to shut my mind down while my body revs ~ not sure what kind of contraindications that would manifest ~
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man fuck the research liquids.... you can get real pharma cynomel from an online pharmacy for 20 bucks a bottle....
the only couple times ive used research chems they felt wildly off dosage both high and low depending in the batch, and its impossible to properly dose anyway thanks to the dropper.
spend the extra couple bucks and get the real tabs. Makes it a whole lot easier to know whats going on.
I actually tried.
My bank called and denied the charges, if you know what I mean.
Not many people here (in my gym) really know about T3, they all know about Clen, but I would need a good source. The one's out of Mexico where Cynomel comes from just arent' trusted. No, not looking for a source here.
I'll deal with the oral syringe and as minute an amount as possible.
Today I did not take it.
I may try it before bed tonight since I only have a short day tomorrow (just in case sleep is effed up)
I can still feel it working. I can't really get a reliable site on the half-life, but judging from the way I feel ( I have to ad in my hyper-sensitivity to meds) I'm guessing its half life is around 36 hours or so.
The fat is burning, there is no doubt. T3 truly DOES incinerate fat, but I'm watching my LBM like a Hawk!
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That actually sounds logical, but I'd probably need a tranquilizer to shut my mind down while my body revs ~ not sure what kind of contraindications that would manifest ~
I cant take it at night..... it makes my mind go 10000 miles an hour. I usually take it when I get up to piss an hour or t2o before my alarm goes off.
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I cant take it at night..... it makes my mind go 10000 miles an hour. I usually take it when I get up to piss an hour or t2o before my alarm goes off.
This just seems to work best. Dealing with the sides is part of what we do, right? If it weren't we would be killing the cardio and the diet and all of the other miniscule details. I've been very meticulous in the past, don't get me wrong.
This time around I'm only looking to rid myself of about 1-2% of very stubborn body fat and I don't want to do it at the expense of ten lbs. of muscle tissue.
If I'm already in the single digits of bodyfat then I guess I feel "entitled"... or justified?
Whatever. I'm gonna ride it out a bit and see how my tolerance builds.
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i'm taking it now at 25mcg per day everyday morning,and slight headache is a bitch,plan to taper down to 12.5mcg on 2nd week and not do it again,might as well diet more lol
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This just seems to work best. Dealing with the sides is part of what we do, right? If it weren't we would be killing the cardio and the diet and all of the other miniscule details. I've been very meticulous in the past, don't get me wrong.
This time around I'm only looking to rid myself of about 1-2% of very stubborn body fat and I don't want to do it at the expense of ten lbs. of muscle tissue.
If I'm already in the single digits of bodyfat then I guess I feel "entitled"... or justified?
Whatever. I'm gonna ride it out a bit and see how my tolerance builds.
theres no such thing like stubborn fat, theres only areas where it goes last.
and picking t3 if you dont want lose muscle is the worst choice possible.
what you gonna do when you come off the t3?
regain all that fat that was lost by the t3(it wont be much),and be left with less muscle(the ones that will be eaten up by t3).
bith effects arent overly dramatic, but theyre there.
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i've read about the rebound effect on t3,definitely don't want to go through that.
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good quality t3 is very potent fat burner and one can keep most of their muscle if used in right way, getting a bit of a bad rap in this thread. The rebound after can be managed with discipline in diet. The thyroid can bounce back faster than hpta.
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good quality t3 is very potent fat burner and one can keep most of their muscle if used in right way, getting a bit of a bad rap in this thread. The rebound after can be managed with discipline in diet. The thyroid can bounce back faster than hpta.
how fast is fast? in general... im getting ready to jump off, i tapered down from a high of 100 (for about 2 weeks) to 25 for the last couple days... I've been on for about 2 months now.
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within a month probably if you help metabolism and thyroid through diet and exercise. Some more Iodine in your diet may help natural thyroid function.
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within a month probably if you help metabolism and thyroid through diet and exercise. Some more Iodine in your diet may help natural thyroid function.
Roger that. Thanks for the advice broseph.
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good quality t3 is very potent fat burner and one can keep most of their muscle if used in right way, getting a bit of a bad rap in this thread. The rebound after can be managed with discipline in diet. The thyroid can bounce back faster than hpta.
you mean if dosage is conservative?
i found 25mcg day to be just right, while 50-100mcg daily was def too much, thinned out like a natty :-X
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depending on the body mass and what your eating, I ramped up fast to 100mcg for 12 days and am now down to 50mcg, I could feel that if I did not increase food that the muscle would begin to be eaten.
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I try to stay around 50-75mcg of T3 at the most. Last time i used more than that i started getting weak and felt like shit all day.
I think 50mcg is plenty for anyone, just make sure you are eating plenty and on a decent dose of gear and you shouldn't have any muscle loss.
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depending on the body mass and what your eating, I ramped up fast to 100mcg for 12 days and am now down to 50mcg, I could feel that if I did not increase food that the muscle would begin to be eaten.
very good reply, most likely also depends on how much gear is used.
more gear will protect the muscle bit better etc.
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depending on the body mass and what your eating, I ramped up fast to 100mcg for 12 days and am now down to 50mcg, I could feel that if I did not increase food that the muscle would begin to be eaten.
seems counter productive, but its the same thing I noticed.... I had to eat more to not lose strength.... so if youre just raking t3 and eating more to compensate, isnt that really the same as simply eating less and no5 using t3?
That was poorly phrased..... but I think I got my point across. It seems like my fat loss was about the same speed I was just eating more food and feeling shitty during the day.
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I haven't been back to this thread for a while.
No such thing as "stubborn" fat?
Seriously?
I understand that the first place you gained is the last to go, but "stubborn" fat does indeed exist. Especially in women, but also in men.
This is the fat that covers the CNS and the fat the covers the Femoral vein.
I'm not talking about the fat just below the navel or low back fat here.
Also, if you eat enough, you can continuously gauge how much fat is being lost. You can tell when muscle is being chewed up.
Also, the so-called "rebound" really isn't much if you are not running much.
And "NO!" the fat you lost does not just come flying back. And "NO!" your thyroid does not shut down.
Have you really had much experience with T-3?
It's a better choice than Clen or GH when it comes to "sides"
Much better choice than DNP.... ::)
Each to his own. A little is good, more is NOT better.
I was already in the single digits. I'm where I want to be since I posted this originally. I pyramided up to about 60 mcg's once a day and came back down slowly.
One would assume your dosing protocol would have a lot to do with the mis-information that is floating around. In other words, the information specifically given would have to be based your individual protocol. This goes for ANY drug, right?
Right.
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I haven't been back to this thread for a while.
No such thing as "stubborn" fat?
Seriously?
I understand that the first place you gained is the last to go, but "stubborn" fat does indeed exist. Especially in women, but also in men.
This is the fat that covers the CNS and the fat the covers the Femoral vein.
I'm not talking about the fat just below the navel or low back fat here.
Also, if you eat enough, you can continuously gauge how much fat is being lost. You can tell when muscle is being chewed up.
Also, the so-called "rebound" really isn't much if you are not running much.
And "NO!" the fat you lost does not just come flying back. And "NO!" your thyroid does not shut down.
Have you really had much experience with T-3?
It's a better choice than Clen or GH when it comes to "sides"
Much better choice than DNP.... ::)
Each to his own. A little is good, more is NOT better.
I was already in the single digits. I'm where I want to be since I posted this originally. I pyramided up to about 60 mcg's once a day and came back down slowly.
One would assume your dosing protocol would have a lot to do with the mis-information that is floating around. In other words, the information specifically given would have to be based your individual protocol. This goes for ANY drug, right?
Right.
I have only run t3 a couple times..... this time was mich longer duration, o realized today ive been using it almost 4 months straight at 50 mcg-75mcg depending on what was going on..... and I tapered up to 100 for a week, felt like shit, amd just tapered down to 25 and just jumped off.
There is a lot of misinformation for sure... im just concerned because of how long I ran it.
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I have only run t3 a couple times..... this time was mich longer duration, o realized today ive been using it almost 4 months straight at 50 mcg-75mcg depending on what was going on..... and I tapered up to 100 for a week, felt like shit, amd just tapered down to 25 and just jumped off.
There is a lot of misinformation for sure... im just concerned because of how long I ran it.
I remember when Palumbo admitted to have run the stuff for years and years. He said there was no such thing as a "shut-down" ~ now *that* I do not believe. I've not seen it, but I do know quite a few female competitors that absolutely cannot get off the stuff.
I'm not sure how it differs between a male and a female. If our own Test shuts down after long usage of synthetics and supraphysiologic dosages, I would think that any hormone our body produces would have the same response. Insulin, GH, thyroid, testosterone, estrogen, etc. ~
I've never run T-3 more than a few weeks. I am always in the single digits of body fat before I start and I use it to get rid of a little more fat. Can't use Clen. The sides are too much for me.
Who knows? Maybe it's all individual...
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I haven't been back to this thread for a while.
No such thing as "stubborn" fat?
Seriously?
I understand that the first place you gained is the last to go, but "stubborn" fat does indeed exist. Especially in women, but also in men.
This is the fat that covers the CNS and the fat the covers the Femoral vein.
I'm not talking about the fat just below the navel or low back fat here.
Also, if you eat enough, you can continuously gauge how much fat is being lost. You can tell when muscle is being chewed up.
Also, the so-called "rebound" really isn't much if you are not running much.
And "NO!" the fat you lost does not just come flying back. And "NO!" your thyroid does not shut down.
Have you really had much experience with T-3?
It's a better choice than Clen or GH when it comes to "sides"
Much better choice than DNP.... ::)
Each to his own. A little is good, more is NOT better.
I was already in the single digits. I'm where I want to be since I posted this originally. I pyramided up to about 60 mcg's once a day and came back down slowly.
One would assume your dosing protocol would have a lot to do with the mis-information that is floating around. In other words, the information specifically given would have to be based your individual protocol. This goes for ANY drug, right?
Right.
I love DNP but can not find any.
I did recently get clen/taurine and t3, plan to start it next wk.
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I remember when Palumbo admitted to have run the stuff for years and years. He said there was no such thing as a "shut-down" ~ now *that* I do not believe. I've not seen it, but I do know quite a few female competitors that absolutely cannot get off the stuff.
I'm not sure how it differs between a male and a female. If our own Test shuts down after long usage of synthetics and supraphysiologic dosages, I would think that any hormone our body produces would have the same response. Insulin, GH, thyroid, testosterone, estrogen, etc. ~
I've never run T-3 more than a few weeks. I am always in the single digits of body fat before I start and I use it to get rid of a little more fat. Can't use Clen. The sides are too much for me.
Who knows? Maybe it's all individual...
I agree with you about no shutdown being not true. You will shutdown just like the Test example you gave. But thyroid seems to come back online faster and easier than test. I was on T3 for 6 months straight with clen (i know not smart, but i lost a shit ton of fat, and became a little anorexic bitch :P) and I jumped off at 25 mcg and felt like shit for a week or so, but than I felt fine and I didnt blow up into a whale either. I got my levels checked and they were and still are normal. There is a study somewhere about people who were on replacement T3 for YEARS and when they came off totally, there natural production came back. YEARS of use and it came back. Strange..