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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: musclecenter on August 18, 2012, 06:22:11 AM
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Ouch
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So half reps are the way to go? Hmmm.
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how are they not tired of counting every rep with "yeah" and constantly repeating "lightweight".
I've got feeling that i just watched eight minutes from life of mental patients.
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branch the cockroach will not live long anymore.
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Nice Leg Presses and Lunges. Full range of motion.
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Weider double up method
Half squat.. Half good morning....
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I think Mr Johnny should focus more on quad workout than ham, ass, lower back workout...
and one more thing...black man working out to white man hardrock, something is strange...
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Branch 2nd behind Kai at Olympia. 8)
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Branch 2nd behind Kai at Olympia. 8)
as much as i say heath is mostly arms... he has a damn good physique
he should never finish behind branch.... ....
branch looks like shit....
.. no one can say that justifiably about heath
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those half reps on the leg press kill me hahaha
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as much as i say heath is mostly arms... he has a damn good physique
he should never finish behind branch.... ....
branch looks like shit....
.. no one can say that justifiably about heath
youre right, branch should never place ahead of heath. However, Heath should not be Mr. O.
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Who would you have given it to last year then?
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our 2 time AC winner
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Who would you have given it to last year then?
Id take Kai most any day over phil, even a Kai that is slightly off. Besides his arms, Philsulina looks like a NPC competitor. Nothing stands out about his physique. No awe factor.
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Id take Kai most any day over phil, even a Kai that is slightly off. Besides his arms, Philsulina looks like a NPC competitor. Nothing stands out about his physique. No awe factor.
does kai have a better physique than phil?
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does kai have a better physique than phil?
phil doesn't have a physique, and he is not a bodybuilder, he's just an arm builder
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Nothin but 20 years of hard weight bouncing/juicin training,baby! ;)
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Can't agree there he has a better physique than Kai
Yes his chest doesn't match his arms but part for part aside from chest he has no other weak body parts
And he has round muscle and good insertions so for right now he deserves mr o unless Kai can. Ring something else to the table
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kaj looks awfull as well and hes a dirty fagg0t with his posing and grapefruit fucking
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Id take Kai most any day over phil, even a Kai that is slightly off. Besides his arms, Philsulina looks like a NPC competitor. Nothing stands out about his physique. No awe factor.
Nothing stood out about Chris Cormier (maybe that was his flaw?) he was actually more "balanced" than Flex Wheeler. I think when you can't pick out a standout bodypart, then that is truly when you have come close to "physical perfection".
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kaj looks awfull as well and hes a dirty fagg0t with his posing and grapefruit fucking
x2
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Pathetic squatting. Poor Brian once spotted Ronnie, a very good squatter, and now he has to witness these clowns.
Is it SO difficult to sink to at least parallel?
And those leg presses aren't half reps. Not even close. They are barely quarter reps.
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dont worry branch will not be long in the game anymore, he will get a seizure next year after he slaughtered a poor animal
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Pathetic squatting. Poor Brian once spotted Ronnie, a very good squatter, and now he has to witness these clowns.
Is it SO difficult to sink to at least parallel?
And those leg presses aren't half reps. Not even close. They are barely quarter reps.
We have a lot of those half rep/quarter rep leg presses going on in our gym, it's an epidemic I tell you.
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phil doesn't have a physique, and he is not a bodybuilder, he's just an arm builder
I watched last years O streaming and I tell you when Phil walked out there was no doubt he was the clear winner. I have no love for the guy one way or another and could care less who wins but I will give a man his dues no matter how I feel.
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hahaha is this a joke
brutal 405 screaming halfreps ???
even the lunges where halfreps :D
all drugs and lazy training
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Nothin but 20 years of hard weight bouncing/juicin training,baby! ;)
lol......the Disclaimer is after their career is over or what's left of it, the dialysis machine will be their best friend
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Johnny's leg presses are such small range of motion, I don't know how he expects people to think he's training his quads properly there? What's his excuse? Has he got an injury or something?
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Jeez ... the first time 'round I didn't watch the video all the way through ...
Nice lunges. ::)
SERIOUSLY, this is downright embarrassing and makes me hate modern bodybuilding just that much more.
How does Branch and Johnnie feel good driving home from the gym?
And another thing, doing such partial repetitions all the time sets them up nicely for catastrophic injury at some point.
Without one shred of a lie, I would train each of them under the table, my being drug-free not even a factor in the ass-whuppin' I'd dish. Poundage ... reps ... sets ... doesn't matter ...
Fuck you, boys. You give true bodybuilding a bad name.
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Pathetic squatting. Poor Brian once spotted Ronnie, a very good squatter, and now he has to witness these clowns.
Is it SO difficult to sink to at least parallel?
And those leg presses aren't half reps. Not even close. They are barely quarter reps.
spot on ... and people dare compare johnnie to ronnie....
looks like he was dying from 225
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^^^That's just it..Johnnie is nothin compared to Ronnie,and on top of that, Johnnie is proclaimed as ''world's strongest bodybuilder'',and from what I've seen, when he trains with Branch Warren, he is not even as strong as Branch(other than maybe dead lifts). The Kings of ROM and form... ;D
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^^^That's just it..Johnnie is nothin compared to Ronnie,and on top of that, Johnnie is proclaimed as ''world's strongest bodybuilder'',and from what I've seen when he trains with Branch Warren, he is not even as strong as Branch(other than maybe dead lifts). The Kings of ROM and form... ;D
branch pwns him.....
aside from deadlifts im yet to see this strength
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branch pwns him.....
aside from deadlifts im yet to see this strength
QFT!
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Are you kidding me? I would be ashamed to have some one record me doing leg presses with that shallow of a ROM. I've seen calf raises with more stretch than that. ::) ::)
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I don't agree with the ROM but he has good legs IMO.
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I don't agree with the ROM but he has good legs IMO.
That is true. Branch pretty much can do whatever he wants in that category, because its definitely his strong point. I guess being "X" amount of weeks out from the Olympia could be a factor too. How far out is the show?
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LOL
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branch pwns him.....
aside from deadlifts im yet to see this strength
If Branch has anything on Johnnie, strength-wise, it might be the bench. Deadlifts? Doubtful! Johnnie has won multiple deadlift competitions.
Squats. Johnnie uses more weight; Branch has bigger legs. It reminds me of the Tom Platz and Dr. Fred Hatfield. Hatfield had world records in squats; but Platz had bigger quads.
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If Branch has anything on Johnnie, strength-wise, it might be the bench. Deadlifts? Doubtful! Johnnie has won multiple deadlift competitions.
Squats. Johnnie uses more weight; Branch has bigger legs. It reminds me of the Tom Platz and Dr. Fred Hatfield. Hatfield had world records in squats; but Platz had bigger quads.
i stated johnnie is stronger at deads..
and thats it....
bench
incline
shoulder press
squats branch
when they trian arms branch
pwned.. johnie isnt even top 10 strongest IMO
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i doubt their legs would look any different doing a larger range of motion.
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i stated johnnie is stronger at deads..
and thats it....
bench
incline
shoulder press
squats branch
when they trian arms branch
pwned.. johnie isnt even top 10 strongest IMO
So how does he get away with calling himself the worlds strongest bodybuilder? There should be an investigation into this, where is gh15 when you need him?
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If Branch has anything on Johnnie, strength-wise, it might be the bench. Deadlifts? Doubtful! Johnnie has won multiple deadlift competitions.
Squats. Johnnie uses more weight; Branch has bigger legs. It reminds me of the Tom Platz and Dr. Fred Hatfield. Hatfield had world records in squats; but Platz had bigger quads.
main difference is Tom Platz was strong as shit. I have yet to see anyone surpass Tom's 500x23 full dept squats.
Tom even said he did more in his prime.
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I guess being "X" amount of weeks out from the Olympia could be a factor too. How far out is the show?
Considering how accident and injury prone the great champion Branch is, he should wrap himself in cotton wool and not leave home till the Olympia
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stan efferding already beat johnnie in the strongest bodybuilder competition.. Dont know why johnnie still claims to be the storngest. And ya branch is stronger , prob in everything.
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Still laughing at those.. leg presses hahahahhah thats the kind of stuff i see morons do at the gym and everone watches and laughs
not even quarter range of movement ;D
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stan efferding already beat johnnie in the strongest bodybuilder competition.. Dont know why johnnie still claims to be the storngest. And ya branch is stronger , prob in everything.
johnny never showed up did he
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We have a lot of those half rep/quarter rep leg presses going on in our gym, it's an epidemic I tell you.
But, dollars to donuts, nobody in your gym has quads that match those of Branch Warren (or even of Johnnie Jackson).
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Id take Kai most any day over phil, even a Kai that is slightly off. Besides his arms, Philsulina looks like a NPC competitor. Nothing stands out about his physique. No awe factor.
He was an NPC competitor. Of course, he won the USA on his first try.
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i stated johnnie is stronger at deads..
and thats it....
bench
incline
shoulder press
squats branch
when they trian arms branch
pwned.. johnie isnt even top 10 strongest IMO
There are no contests for inclines, shoulder presses or arms. Branch, to my knowledge, has NOT entered any powerlifting contests. Johnnie has done so and has several wins to prove it.
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stan efferding already beat johnnie in the strongest bodybuilder competition.. Dont know why johnnie still claims to be the storngest. And ya branch is stronger , prob in everything.
Perhaps, it's because Johnnie is better overall. He has the lifts AND the bodybuilding titles to match.
Johnnie won the Nationals to turn pro; Efferding won the Masters Nationals.
Johnnie has three pro wins under his belt; Efferding has placed no higher than 9th in any pro show he's entered.
Johnnie has placed top 10 at the Olympia; Efferding has never even qualified for the Olympia.
So, I'd give the nod the Johnnie Jackson, as he does well in BOTH powerlifting and bodybuilding.
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Perhaps, it's because Johnnie is better overall. He has the lifts AND the bodybuilding titles to match.
Johnnie won the Nationals to turn pro; Efferding won the Masters Nationals.
Johnnie has three pro wins under his belt; Efferding has placed no higher than 9th in any pro show he's entered.
Johnnie has placed top 10 at the Olympia; Efferding has never even qualified for the Olympia.
So, I'd give the nod the Johnnie Jackson, as he does well in BOTH powerlifting and bodybuilding.
Say what you will, but Johnnie is NOT the strongest. Fact. Whether Stan has done well as a pro is not the point. He is a pro and is stronger.
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branch cant out squat johnnie easily, and by watching the vids he can press more too. id be willing to bet he could deadlift more if he wanted to, but he doesnt
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Say what you will, but Johnnie is NOT the strongest. Fact. Whether Stan has done well as a pro is not the point. He is a pro and is stronger.
Ken Jones is a pro, too.
So is Greg Kovacs.
When you're talking about the World's Strongest Bodybuilder, that would imply the best OVERALL in both strength and bodybuilding. Johnnie wins that easily. He's a successful powerlifter AND a successful pro bodybuilder. The same cannot be said for Efferding.
Otherwise, someone could just diet down Mark Henry, help him win the Masters Nationals, and then HE becomes the "World's Strongest Bodybuilder".
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Ken Jones is a pro, too.
So is Greg Kovacs.
When you're talking about the World's Strongest Bodybuilder, that would imply the best OVERALL in both strength and bodybuilding. Johnnie wins that easily. He's a successful powerlifter AND a successful pro bodybuilder. The same cannot be said for Efferding.
Otherwise, someone could just diet down Mark Henry, help him win the Masters Nationals, and then HE becomes the "World's Strongest Bodybuilder".
We're talking about his claims to being the strongest PRO bodybuilder.
The two highlighted sections of your post say it all.
The first: wrong, such a discussion DOES NOT "imply" the best overall in strength and bodybuilding. It is very explicit: the STRONGEST, period.
The second: So foolish I won't even comment.
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225lb squats .....
"light weight!!!!!!!" ......... ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
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WTF was that shit at the end ??? ??? ??? Lunges :-\ :-\ :-\
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We're talking about his claims to being the strongest PRO bodybuilder.
The two highlighted sections of your post say it all.
The first: wrong, such a discussion DOES NOT "imply" the best overall in strength and bodybuilding. It is very explicit: the STRONGEST, period.
The second: So foolish I won't even comment.
By your standards, it's not foolish at all. If Mark Henry has better lifts than Stan Efferding, all you have to do is diet Henry down to win the same Masters Nationals that Efferding won to turn pro, and VOILA!!!! Mark Henry's the "World's Strongest Bodybuilder".
So, we have a guy who won the NPC Nationals, the top amateur show in the USA, to turn pro; has won three IFBB pro shows; and has placed top-10 at the Olympia....who also is an accomplished powerlifters with multiple wins in that arena.
On the other hand, we have a guy who won the Masters Nationals and has placed no higher than 9th in any pro show he's entered and has come nowhere near the Olympia stage. Yet, he does have more powerlifting wins, some with higher numbers than those of Jackson.
But, if we're talking the world's strongest bodybuilder overall, I stand by my claim with Jackson. He excels at BOTH, powerlifting and bodybuilding. Efferding has better powerlifting numbers but can't touch Johnnie on the bodybuilding stage.
The gap between the two in bodybuilding is greater than that within powerlifting. And the name of the game is the World's Strongest BODYBUILDER.
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When they say all drugs, they aren't kidding. Some guys despite all of the drugs still need to workout hard, but man, most of these IFBB pros work out like shit and are fucking huge despite it. Drug response is everything I guess.
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When they say all drugs, they aren't kidding. Some guys despite all of the drugs still need to workout hard, but man, most of these IFBB pros work out like shit and are fucking huge despite it. Drug response is everything I guess.
And how is this any different than the partial shoulder presses that Lou Ferrigno does in Pumping Iron?
I supposed he was "all drugs", too.
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By your standards, it's not foolish at all. If Mark Henry has better lifts than Stan Efferding, all you have to do is diet Henry down to win the same Masters Nationals that Efferding won to turn pro, and VOILA!!!! Mark Henry's the "World's Strongest Bodybuilder".
So, we have a guy who won the NPC Nationals, the top amateur show in the USA, to turn pro; has won three IFBB pro shows; and has placed top-10 at the Olympia....who also is an accomplished powerlifters with multiple wins in that arena.
On the other hand, we have a guy who won the Masters Nationals and has placed no higher than 9th in any pro show he's entered and has come nowhere near the Olympia stage. Yet, he does have more powerlifting wins, some with higher numbers than those of Jackson.
But, if we're talking the world's strongest bodybuilder overall, I stand by my claim with Jackson. He excels at BOTH, powerlifting and bodybuilding. Efferding has better powerlifting numbers but can't touch Johnnie on the bodybuilding stage.
The gap between the two in bodybuilding is greater than that within powerlifting. And the name of the game is the World's Strongest BODYBUILDER.
Fuck ME.
Mark Henry dieted down wouldn't win shit. By your logic, anyone who lifts weights could diet down and win a pro qualifier. Fuck sakes. Now, if Mark dieted down and did win a pro qualifier ... perhaps he could be considered the strongest pro. His numbers at that point would tell the tale.
Again, I have highlighted a particularly exposing statement by you that shines a light on your inability to fully grasp what we're discussing here.
Stan's a pro bodybuilder. Whether Johnnie's won more bodybuilding events makes zero difference to the outcome of a factual discussion concerning the strongest pro bodybuilder. Better physique ... worse physique ... both men are pro bodybuilders (a certain achievement, unarguably) and Stan is stronger.
Who is the overall better bodybuilder with a powerlifting meet to his name isn't the discussion. It's WHO IS THE STRONGEST PRO BODYBUILDER. AGAIN, Stan is a pro, just like Johnnie, and he's stronger.
Let get it together here, man. I don't figure you're retarded, so don't argue with a logic that is fitting for one who is.
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And how is this any different than the partial shoulder presses that Lou Ferrigno does in Pumping Iron?
I supposed he was "all drugs", too.
Lou didn't do every single movement with partials or sloppy form. You're cherry picking one clip of Lou doing partials. Every bodybuilder does partials at one time or another. The problem is that branch does partials or horrible form EVERY single movement.
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And how is this any different than the partial shoulder presses that Lou Ferrigno does in Pumping Iron?
I supposed he was "all drugs", too.
i wouldnt concider standing barbell presses with 250lbs past your head partial , and he was also using a narrow grip
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But, dollars to donuts, nobody in your gym has quads that match those of Branch Warren (or even of Johnnie Jackson).
Yes, we have no Mr O competitors in my gym, but I'm pretty sure Branch built his legs on full reps. I can only think that he is still nursing his leg injury and can't do full reps. We've all been there, but surely you are not suggesting that 1/2 reps are the way to great quads? And I don't get this thing of piling on all the plates on the leg press to move it a few inches. With all the extra weight all you are doing is putting extra stress on the knee and hips, ( and yes I know about the study that says the leg press needs double the weight of the squat to get the same effect) Save your joints and lessen the weight and let the weight down as low as it will go. It has to be an ego thing.
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Fuck ME.
No, thanks!! I'm hetero and married. ;D
Mark Henry dieted down wouldn't win shit. By your logic, anyone who lifts weights could diet down and win a pro qualifier. Fuck sakes. Now, if Mark dieted down and did win a pro qualifier ... perhaps he could be considered the strongest pro. His numbers at that point would tell the tale.
Again, I have highlighted a particularly exposing statement by you that shines a light on your inability to fully grasp what we're discussing here.
I grasp what's being discussed quite well. I never claimed anyone who lifted weights could diet down and turn pro. With that said, we've seen a rash of folks who get clobbered at the Nationals and USA on a regular basis get their pro cards via the Masters Nationals.
The point I made with Mark Henry (no I don't think there's a pro physique, buried under his blubber) is that all you have to do is get some well-known powerlifter with a halfway decent physique, get him to the IFBB pro level, and (if his numbers exceed those of Efferding), he's the world's strongest bodybuilders.
Stan's a pro bodybuilder. Whether Johnnie's won more bodybuilding events makes zero difference to the outcome of a factual discussion concerning the strongest pro bodybuilder. Better physique ... worse physique ... both men are pro bodybuilders (a certain achievement, unarguably) and Stan is stronger.
Who is the overall better bodybuilder with a powerlifting meet to his name isn't the discussion. It's WHO IS THE STRONGEST PRO BODYBUILDER. AGAIN, Stan is a pro, just like Johnnie, and he's stronger.
Let get it together here, man. I don't figure you're retarded, so don't argue with a logic that is fitting for one who is.
Don't powerlifters win meets by having the best OVERALL SCORE, not just dominating in one particular category?
That's my point and rationale for giving Jackson the nod over Efferding. He has the better COMBO of strength and physique. Stan is stronger but he's get blown offstage when he competes as a bodybuilder.
When you add the qualifier of bodybuilder into the mix, I'm picking a guy who won the Nationals, three pro shows, and placed top 10 at the Olympia all day over a guy who hasn't placed higher than 9th at any pro show (and became a pro via the Masters Nationals).
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Yes, we have no Mr O competitors in my gym, but I'm pretty sure Branch built his legs on full reps. I can only think that he is still nursing his leg injury and can't do full reps. We've all been there, but surely you are not suggesting that 1/2 reps are the way to great quads? And I don't get this thing of piling on all the plates on the leg press to move it a few inches. With all the extra weight all you are doing is putting extra stress on the knee and hips, ( and yes I know about the study that says the leg press needs double the weight of the squat to get the same effect) Save your joints and lessen the weight and let the weight down as low as it will go. It has to be an ego thing.
No, I am not, just as you are not suggesting that Branch and Johnnie train this way, year round, and have done so from the get-go.
Branch has great quads. Surely, he's paid his dues in the gyms. Johnnie's quads are decent; but he's paid his dues as well both in bodybuilding and powerlifting.
I understand how people can be a bit shocked. I felt similarly when I saw some of the footage from Pumping Iron, as I posted with Lou Ferrigno.
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Lou didn't do every single movement with partials or sloppy form. You're cherry picking one clip of Lou doing partials. Every bodybuilder does partials at one time or another. The problem is that branch does partials or horrible form EVERY single movement.
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Lou didn't do every single movement with partials or sloppy form. You're cherry picking one clip of Lou doing partials. Every bodybuilder does partials at one time or another. The problem is that branch does partials or horrible form EVERY single movement.
One, that's not the only clip in which Lou does that (check him out on the incline bench, with his dad spotting him).
Two, how exactly is what Branch does a "problem" when he has some of the biggest legs in the business (even AFTER his blown knee)?
Three, That's my point! Brach doesn't do every single movement like that either.
You're getting on me for supposedly cherry-picking a clip of Lou, implying that he does that all the time with every single movement. Yet, you turn right around and imply that Branch does the very same thing. That makes no sense, especially with pics here of Branch on the leg press, with his knees almost up his nose.
Branch does partials.......ALL DRUGS!!
Lou does partials........HE'S JUST SO MUCH TOUGHER, HARDCORE, and TRAINED HARDER. ???
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One, that's not the only clip in which Lou does that (check him out on the incline bench, with his dad spotting him).
Two, how exactly is what Branch does a "problem" when he has some of the biggest legs in the business (even AFTER his blown knee)?
Three, That's my point! Brach doesn't do every single movement like that either.
You're getting on me for supposedly cherry-picking a clip of Lou, implying that he does that all the time with every single movement. Yet, you turn right around and imply that Branch does the very same thing. That makes no sense, especially with pics here of Branch on the leg press, with his knees almost up his nose.
Branch does partials.......ALL DRUGS!!
Lou does partials........HE'S JUST SO MUCH TOUGHER, HARDCORE, and TRAINED HARDER. ???
Like I said, all bodybuilders incorporate partials into their routine. Even beyond partials, is Branch's sloppy technique. You don't need to cherry pick a clip of branch to find him using sloppy form. Its predominantly how he works out. Lou and guys in the 70's had much better technique than the guys today. Branch has big legs because of his genetic response to drugs. Take away the drugs, and he probably has the leg size of a 170 pound guy. Given his horrible form, its less about his workouts that made him big nad more about the drugs and response.
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There are no contests for inclines, shoulder presses or arms. Branch, to my knowledge, has NOT entered any powerlifting contests. Johnnie has done so and has several wins to prove it.
Overall branch is significantly stronger.....
stronger on everything aside from deads.....
even johnnie admitted branch is stronger on all pushing movements.....
every time they train together... branch just outdoes him period
and there are contests for shoulder presses .... see world strongest man .. also contests for curl...
fact jonnie overall stronger
even evan.... and a lot more... johnnie seemed to have given himself that world strongest title
Pwned branch 15 - 20 reps... jonnie couldnt get one clean
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branch has a combination of
midget + retard = strength
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branch has a combination of
midget + retard = strength
ha ha ha
if you watched that vid.... without knowing who those bbers are
and you heard world bber johnnie....
who would you think was johnnie
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Overall branch is significantly stronger.....
stronger on everything aside from deads.....
even johnnie admitted branch is stronger on all pushing movements.....
every time they train together... branch just outdoes him period
and there are contests for shoulder presses .... see world strongest man .. also contests for curl...
fact jonnie overall stronger
even evan.... and a lot more... johnnie seemed to have given himself that world strongest title
Pwned branch 15 - 20 reps... jonnie couldnt get one clean
Johnnie didn't give himself the title. MuscleTech did, while he worked for them. The Olympia suits got the idea, after an Internet war of words, between Jackson and Ben White, to have a contest at the Olympia to settle the issue.
As for the contests, the shoulder presses are part of the overall World's Strongest Man contest, not contest in and of itself.
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Johnnie didn't give himself the title. MuscleTech did, while he worked for them. The Olympia suits got the idea, after an Internet war of words, between Jackson and Ben White, to have a contest at the Olympia to settle the issue.
As for the contests, the shoulder presses are part of the overall World's Strongest Man contest, not contest in and of itself.
the world strongest man is a contest... and those not the only contest it is in
the long and short of it is.......... branch is vastly stronger strongest bber should be a totle give to and individula to is stron one everything
see** ronnie coleman
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you cant be strngest bber when your training partner gets 20 reps with a weight YOU cant get one clean rep with
twist it anyway you like
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Like I said, all bodybuilders incorporate partials into their routine. Even beyond partials, is Branch's sloppy technique. You don't need to cherry pick a clip of branch to find him using sloppy form. Its predominantly how he works out. Lou and guys in the 70's had much better technique than the guys today. Branch has big legs because of his genetic response to drugs. Take away the drugs, and he probably has the leg size of a 170 pound guy. Given his horrible form, its less about his workouts that made him big nad more about the drugs and response.
I don't need to cherry-pick a clip of Lou Ferrigno either. They both use less-than-strict form. This ridiculous notion that Lou had so much better technique and trained harder than Branch and that drugs are the primary/sole reason for the size of his legs (or other bodyparts) is ludicrous.
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the world strongest man is a contest... and those not the only contest it is in
the long and short of it is.......... branch is vastly stronger strongest bber should be a totle give to and individula to is stron one everything
see** ronnie coleman
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you cant be strngest bber when your training partner gets 20 reps with a weight YOU cant get one clean rep with
twist it anyway you like
There's no need to twist anything. Johnnie's powerlifting numbers back the moniker, as do his bodybuilding wins. If Branch can beat those numbers, then he'd definitely fit the bill (especially since he's won more shows and bigger shows than Johnnie has).
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ha ha ha
if you watched that vid.... without knowing who those bbers are
and you heard world bber johnnie....
who would you think was johnnie
Hence, you don't make a judgment off ONE video.
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Johnny was taking easy on branch ... he is capable of squating much more
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These shoulder presses....."ALL DRUGS"
These shoulder presses....."Much better technique and harder training".
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Shoulder presses ??? :-\
You mean incline Chest presses
These shoulder presses....."ALL DRUGS"
These shoulder presses....."Much better technique and harder training".
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Hence, you don't make a judgment off ONE video.
theres 4 vids of branch pwning johnies strength
...some i could not find like bfto 2004 cranch killed him there as well
... please post one vid of johnnie outdoing branch... just one...
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http://www.musculardevelopment.com/contests/ifbb-europa-dallas/4665-branch-warren-training-and-guest-posing-at-europa-supershow.html (http://www.musculardevelopment.com/contests/ifbb-europa-dallas/4665-branch-warren-training-and-guest-posing-at-europa-supershow.html)
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theres 4 vids of branch pwning johnies strength
...some i could not find like bfto 2004 cranch killed him there as well
... please post one vid of johnnie outdoing branch... just one...
Video 4 is Branch by himself (except for a brief clip of Johnnie, warming up with 135)
Video 3: Johnnie appears to be pressing heavier dumbbells for more reps, unless the tape got edited (as is the case in several of those videos, where the footage stops before either man is finished repping out).
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Video 4 is Branch by himself (except for a brief clip of Johnnie, warming up with 135)
Video 3: Johnnie appears to be pressing heavier dumbbells for more reps, unless the tape got edited (as is the case in several of those videos, where the footage stops before either man is finished repping out).
branch and johnnie trained in all vids
watch again branch out pressed johnie like in the other 3 vids
note when they get over to incline presses branch hits the 315
johnnie hits the 225
so overall
branch is VASTly stronger.....
notice how its hard to find a full workout video....(not one set a la stan efferding) of a PRO bber moving wights like ronnie....
why BECAUSE he was the fucking strongest....
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branch and johnnie trained in all vids
watch again branch out pressed johnie like in the other 3 vids
note when they get over to incline presses branch hits the 315
johnnie hits the 225
so overall
branch is VASTly stronger.....
notice how its hard to find a full workout video....(not one set a la stan efferding) of a PRO bber moving wights like ronnie....
why BECAUSE he was the fucking strongest....
You might want to check the video again. At 1:48 on the chest video, Johnnie is also using 315. So, I don't know where you'd get the idea that Branch is "VASTly stronger" than Johnnie (even Branch himself doesn't make such a claim. Quite the opposite, he's stated that he enjoys training with Johnnie because, at least as of 2004/2005, Johnnie's strengths are his weaknesses; though, Branch has closed the gap considerably since that time).
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branch and johnnie trai
notice how its hard to find a full workout video....(not one set a la stan efferding) of a PRO bber moving wights like ronnie....
why BECAUSE he was the fucking strongest....
This. ;D
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You might want to check the video again. At 1:48 on the chest video, Johnnie is also using 315. So, I don't know where you'd get the idea that Branch is "VASTly stronger" than Johnnie (even Branch himself doesn't make such a claim. Quite the opposite, he's stated that he enjoys training with Johnnie because, at least as of 2004/2005, Johnnie's strengths are his weaknesses; though, Branch has closed the gap considerably since that time).
I got the idea warren was stronger from him constantly outdoing johnny all the time
Also from branch repping a weight 20 times and johnny not been able to get one clean...
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No, thanks!! I'm hetero and married. ;D
I grasp what's being discussed quite well. I never claimed anyone who lifted weights could diet down and turn pro. With that said, we've seen a rash of folks who get clobbered at the Nationals and USA on a regular basis get their pro cards via the Masters Nationals.
The point I made with Mark Henry (no I don't think there's a pro physique, buried under his blubber) is that all you have to do is get some well-known powerlifter with a halfway decent physique, get him to the IFBB pro level, and (if his numbers exceed those of Efferding), he's the world's strongest bodybuilders.
Don't powerlifters win meets by having the best OVERALL SCORE, not just dominating in one particular category?
That's my point and rationale for giving Jackson the nod over Efferding. He has the better COMBO of strength and physique. Stan is stronger but he's get blown offstage when he competes as a bodybuilder.
When you add the qualifier of bodybuilder into the mix, I'm picking a guy who won the Nationals, three pro shows, and placed top 10 at the Olympia all day over a guy who hasn't placed higher than 9th at any pro show (and became a pro via the Masters Nationals).
We're not talking overall anything.
The discussion is, the world's strongest pro bodybuilder. It is not, one of the strongest pro bodybuilders who is, overall, the better bodybuilding competitor.
If a man is a pro bodybuilder, and he is the strongest, he is the world's strongest pro bodybuilder.
This extremely simple logic is lost on you.
Pathetic
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brutal 1/8 rep squats
stan efferding would just crush JJ in a strength challenge, JJ is not strong compared to Stan E
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Jackson is very strong on deadlifts I think but his claim of "strongest bodybuilder" is tenuous.
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brutal 1/8 rep squats
stan efferding would just crush JJ in a strength challenge, JJ is not strong compared to Stan E
add kevin, cormier evan baker id even throw ray in there too considerring his form... ive seen him manhandle 160s, 170s with good form, not that 1/8 rep nonsense jackson does
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maybe he means strongest addict
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Can't agree there he has a better physique than Kai
Yes his chest doesn't match his arms but part for part aside from chest he has no other weak body parts
And he has round muscle and good insertions so for right now he deserves mr o unless Kai can. Ring something else to the table
Beyeke has all of those things plus are far better structure and cleaner lines.
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Beyeke has all of those things plus are far better structure and cleaner lines.
Agree
The question is can you see the judges allowing beyeke to beat Heath ???
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The lunges were freakin' laughable unless they were walking into a 60-mile an hour headwind. To be fair, the clip of the lunges was very short.
As far as the (half) squats and leg presses, you guys aren't being very fair by not mentioning that they're doing 20-rep sets. Half-squats or not, 20 reps is WORK. (Besides, if Branch does fulls for 20, I'm pretty sure he'd have a heart attack.)
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johnie is one of few current pros who have done full power meets,awhile back,right around when he turned pro he totaled over 2100 in a full meet,seems branch is stronger on pressing movements,however in prime shape coleman beats them both.
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The lunges were freakin' laughable unless they were walking into a 60-mile an hour headwind. To be fair, the clip of the lunges was very short.
As far as the (half) squats and leg presses, you guys aren't being very fair by not mentioning that they're doing 20-rep sets. Half-squats or not, 20 reps is WORK. (Besides, if Branch does fulls for 20, I'm pretty sure he'd have a heart attack.)
So, do full reps for 20 reps, then. Who among us hasn't done 20-rep sets and busted ours asses doing them?