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Do angles really matter in the gym? Charles Glass appears to utilize a variety of angles to hit different parts of the muscle--the results seem to be there, as the people he trains constantly make it to the MR. O stage.
If I change the angles up, will I see better results?
At 3:35, he slightly adjusts the guys seating position to target the upper chest.
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Finishing touch of peace.
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Do angles really matter in the gym?
If I change the angles up, will I see better results?
Yes. Flat, incline and decline bench press all target the muscle differently. It's science.
Don't forgot about incline squats and decline deadlifts.
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Yes. Flat, incline and decline bench press all target the muscle differently. It's science.
Don't forgot about incline squats and decline deadlifts.
Today in the gym, I did flat and incline presses, but left out decline. Damn.
Oh well, there is always next work out.
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Decline presses are for frat boys and gym bros. When's the last time you saw a bodybuilder whose lower pecs were too small for his upper pecs? It just doesn't happen.
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Today in the gym, I did flat and incline presses, but left out decline. Damn.
Oh well, there is always next work out.
You may want to head back in bro. You can get your post workout protein and then while your upper and mid chest is recovering you can destroy your lower chest.
You'll be a monster.
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You may want to head back in bro. You can get your post workout protein and then while your upper and mid chest is recovering you can destroy your lower chest.
You'll be a monster.
But I have to go to work at Sears and Roebuck. What's more important?
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But I have to go to work at Sears and Roebuck. What's more important?
Live you life bro. Don't let society put you in a box, defining you as a stereotype.
Do your decline on your break, use the display bench in the fitness department (by the lawn equipment). That bench should be adjustable. Don't worry about the weight, you've already done your heavy lifting, just focus on the squeeze!
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Live you life bro. Don't let society put you in a box, defining you as a stereotype.
Do your decline on your break, use the display bench in the fitness department (by the lawn equipment). That bench should be adjustable. Don't worry about the weight, you've already done your heavy lifting, just focus on the squeeze!
I have to focus on the mind-muscle connection.
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I have to focus on the mind-muscle connection.
Easy for me but the muscles involved are usually some female’s glutes across the gym
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I would ask Coach.
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Get yourself some training resistance bands all angles, all muscles, can even hook up to certain machines at th gym and use them for resistance shadow boxing.
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I would ask Coach.
Lets be honest here, Coach does know his stuff when it comes to training, even if you disagree with him politically.
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Do angles really matter in the gym? Charles Glass appears to utilize a variety of angles to hit different parts of the muscle--the results seem to be there, as the people he trains constantly make it to the MR. O stage.
If I change the angles up, will I see better results?
At 3:35, he slightly adjusts the guys seating position to target the upper chest.
vince gironda has said that 50 years ago..a muscle has four sides.
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;D
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Decline presses are for frat boys and gym bros. When's the last time you saw a bodybuilder whose lower pecs were too small for his upper pecs? It just doesn't happen.
According to EMG (i think that's the acronym... were they attach electrodes to muscles to measure a muscles activity/contraction) studies, decline presses involve more "upper" pec fibers than incline presses.
Incline presses, IMO, emphasize more of the anterior delt fibers, & De-emphasize the pec/upper-pec fibers.
If you're looking for a movement that emphasizes the pecs overall, I don't think there's a better movement than decline presses or decline db-flyes.
Training with "angles" isn't so much emphasizing a particular head of a muscle group, but instead you're placing other parts of that muscle in a weaker position to contract.
Triceps are a prime example, as are back movements.
With triceps, sure, doing pushdowns will activate all 3 heads of the triceps, but the majority of the workload gets placed on the lateral head. However, placing the upper-arm overhead, as verticle as possible, will place the lateral and medial heads in a weak position to contract, so the workload gets shifted primarily to the long head.
The further down you bring that upper arm, for example laying triceps extensions on a 45° incline bench & doing "overhead" triceps extensions will put a lil more of the workload back toward the lateral and medial (moreso lateral) heads. So you get more of a 33/33/33 % workload spread.
A favorite of mine is to do tricep extension/pushdown that mimic a 45° laying triceps ext.
You take an overhead pulley with a straightest, but instead of a conventional "push down", you step back a bit (2-3ft), bend forward at The waist 45°, & bring your arms up till your elbows are up about inline with your chin & do the "push down". However, you're not pushing the bar down, you're pushing the bar "out" because you're keeping your upper-arms locked in that position.
The entire movement, if viewing it from the side, would look exactly like a lying triceps extensions ("skullcrusher", either flat, or 30° incline), yet you still have resistance at the peak-contraction because of the cable. With a barbell/ez-bar, at peak contraction/elbows locked, you lose resistance because the weight is supported through the joints.
.. Ill chime in later with back stuff later. Getting tired of typing...
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According to EMG (i think that's the acronym... were they attach electrodes to muscles to measure a muscles activity/contraction) studies, decline presses involve more "upper" pec fibers than incline presses.
Incline presses, IMO, emphasize more of the anterior delt fibers, & De-emphasize the pec/upper-pec fibers.
If you're looking for a movement that emphasizes the pecs overall, I don't think there's a better movement than decline presses or decline db-flyes.
Training with "angles" isn't so much emphasizing a particular head of a muscle group, but instead you're placing other parts of that muscle in a weaker position to contract.
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With triceps, sure, doing pushdowns will activate all 3 heads of the triceps, but the majority of the workload gets placed on the lateral head. However, placing the upper-arm overhead, as verticle as possible, will place the lateral and medial heads in a weak position to contract, so the workload gets shifted primarily to the long head.
The further down you bring that upper arm, for example laying triceps extensions on a 45° incline bench & doing "overhead" triceps extensions will put a lil more of the workload back toward the lateral and medial (moreso lateral) heads. So you get more of a 33/33/33 % workload spread.
A favorite of mine is to do tricep extension/pushdown that mimic a 45° laying triceps ext.
You take an overhead pulley with a straightest, but instead of a conventional "push down", you step back a bit (2-3ft), bend forward at The waist 45°, & bring your arms up till your elbows are up about inline with your chin & do the "push down". However, you're not pushing the bar down, you're pushing the bar "out" because you're keeping your upper-arms locked in that position.
The entire movement, if viewing it from the side, would look exactly like a lying triceps extensions ("skullcrusher", either flat, or 30° incline), yet you still have resistance at the peak-contraction because of the cable. With a barbell/ez-bar, at peak contraction/elbows locked, you lose resistance because the weight is supported through the joints.
.. Ill chime in later with back stuff later. Getting tired of typing...
Doing push downs like a skull crusher sounds like a great idea
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According to EMG (i think that's the acronym... were they attach electrodes to muscles to measure a muscles activity/contraction) studies, decline presses involve more "upper" pec fibers than incline presses.
Incline presses, IMO, emphasize more of the anterior delt fibers, & De-emphasize the pec/upper-pec fibers.
If you're looking for a movement that emphasizes the pecs overall, I don't think there's a better movement than decline presses or decline db-flyes.
Training with "angles" isn't so much emphasizing a particular head of a muscle group, but instead you're placing other parts of that muscle in a weaker position to contract.
Triceps are a prime example, as are back movements.
With triceps, sure, doing pushdowns will activate all 3 heads of the triceps, but the majority of the workload gets placed on the lateral head. However, placing the upper-arm overhead, as verticle as possible, will place the lateral and medial heads in a weak position to contract, so the workload gets shifted primarily to the long head.
The further down you bring that upper arm, for example laying triceps extensions on a 45° incline bench & doing "overhead" triceps extensions will put a lil more of the workload back toward the lateral and medial (moreso lateral) heads. So you get more of a 33/33/33 % workload spread.
A favorite of mine is to do tricep extension/pushdown that mimic a 45° laying triceps ext.
You take an overhead pulley with a straightest, but instead of a conventional "push down", you step back a bit (2-3ft), bend forward at The waist 45°, & bring your arms up till your elbows are up about inline with your chin & do the "push down". However, you're not pushing the bar down, you're pushing the bar "out" because you're keeping your upper-arms locked in that position.
The entire movement, if viewing it from the side, would look exactly like a lying triceps extensions ("skullcrusher", either flat, or 30° incline), yet you still have resistance at the peak-contraction because of the cable. With a barbell/ez-bar, at peak contraction/elbows locked, you lose resistance because the weight is supported through the joints.
.. Ill chime in later with back stuff later. Getting tired of typing...
Optimum angle for incline presses is 30 degrees.
This is the study you were talking about.
https://www.ctvnews.ca/mobile/lifestyle/study-yields-optimal-bench-press-angle-1.2333621 (https://www.ctvnews.ca/mobile/lifestyle/study-yields-optimal-bench-press-angle-1.2333621)
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Optimum angle for incline presses is 30 degrees.
This is the study you were talking about.
https://www.ctvnews.ca/mobile/lifestyle/study-yields-optimal-bench-press-angle-1.2333621 (https://www.ctvnews.ca/mobile/lifestyle/study-yields-optimal-bench-press-angle-1.2333621)
I believe I've seen multiple over the years since 96.
Personally, I'm still a big fan of declines & hate flats, as my back/ scapula never feel "right" on the pad. Not that I like declines because I can push more weight, couldn't care less about that, but the "feel" of the movement is much, much better for me. I can actually feel the pecs (&triceps, when i do a proper press/elbows tucked) contract. I also use a medium grip or closer for about 75% of the sets. To the point it's near what a close-grip is for many.
*this is all my *personal workouts*, not counting clients, as thats a different story.
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Lets be honest here, Coach does know his stuff when it comes to training, even if you disagree with him politically.
Have you trained with Coach before? From another thread he seems to know you.
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Have you trained with Coach before? From another thread he seems to know you.
Yes, he has. Despite our differences, I like SF1900. He just has a way of irritating me on certain subjects..lol
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Yes, he has. Despite our differences, I like SF1900. He just has a way of irritating me on certain subjects..lol
;D ;D ;D <3
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A muscle has one function and moves in one direction. You can't 'hit' it from another angle.
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A muscle has one function and moves in one direction. You can't 'hit' it from another angle.
A muscle has one function and moves in one direction. ——
A muscle contracts & The Bone or bones moves - Though not necessarily in one direction.
You can't 'hit' it from another angle. ——
Certainly some exercise can & do stimulate muscles in different areas
Dependent to some degree on the origin & insertion of the muscles.
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Do angles really matter in the gym? Charles Glass appears to utilize a variety of angles to hit different parts of the muscle--the results seem to be there, as the people he trains constantly make it to the MR. O stage.
If I change the angles up, will I see better results?
At 3:35, he slightly adjusts the guys seating position to target the upper chest.
He’s actually been giving shit advice for years, especially re: side laterals. He makes clients lead with the pinky finger/internally rotated shoulders which is a known way to quickly cause shoulder impingement. His advice is Bro science.
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Just hit the muscle hard from a random angle and save the joints, no need to make it more complicated
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He’s actually been giving shit advice for years, especially re: side laterals. He makes clients lead with the pinky finger/internally rotated shoulders which is a known way to quickly cause shoulder impingement. His advice is Bro science.
Yet so many idiots listen to him and pay him outrageous prices
Snake oil salesman at best
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Yet so many idiots listen to him and pay him outrageous prices
Snake oil salesman at best
The dude from Athlean X videos gives away the same knowledge with much more in depth detail for free.
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The dude from Athlean X videos gives away the same knowledge with much more in depth detail for free.
Ah, but Charles has been doing this before the Internet. Would be interesting if they both teamed up. Both would lead credibility to the other. One with a Phd, and the other a former gymnast turned bodybuilder.
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The dude from Athlean X videos gives away the same knowledge with much more in depth detail for free.
^This. The Athena X guy, however, probably doesn't also supply people with steroids, etc. ;D
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Yes. That and mind muscle link together for best results.
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Ah, but Charles has been doing this before the Internet. Would be interesting if they both teamed up. Both would lead credibility to the other. One with a Phd, and the other a former gymnast turned bodybuilder.
The AthleanX guy doesn't need a drug guru/supplier to lend him credibility. You simply watch his videos and can tell he knows his shit. He breaks it down for you in the simplest terms and gives you the science behind it.
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The AthleanX guy doesn't need a drug guru/supplier to lend him credibility. You simply watch his videos and can tell he knows his shit. He breaks it down for you in the simplest terms and gives you the science behind it.
Clientele and popularity, cross over appeal. He did a vid with CT Fletcher, and that gained him popularity.
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most modern bodybuilders have a lagging chest
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When I train, I pretend that my mind is inside my muscle and my mind is feeding my muscle positive thoughts.
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When I train, I pretend that my mind is inside my muscle and my mind is feeding my muscle positive thoughts.
Make sure you also wear magnetic bracelets and drink an organic intra-workout shake
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Esfitness’ trick to doing skull scrushers on on the push down felt awesome.I can’t do regular skulls due to shoulder and the machine one I feel nothing,Also I don’t like lying down to do movements.So I tried leaning over and pressing from my forehead and the pump was great,no shoulder pain and it is great to be able to do a skull crusher again as I think it’s a very important movement.
Thanks Eric.
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When I train, I pretend that my mind is inside my muscle and my mind is feeding my muscle positive thoughts.
Hahaha ;D
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Esfitness’ trick to doing skull scrushers on on the push down felt awesome.I can’t do regular skulls due to shoulder and the machine one I feel nothing,Also I don’t like lying down to do movements.So I tried leaning over and pressing from my forehead and the pump was great,no shoulder pain and it is great to be able to do a skull crusher again as I think it’s a very important movement.
Thanks Eric.
Sure thing
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you guys mentioning decline pressing, when I do them I have been using a swiss bar lately, like the feel of it
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A muscle has one function and moves in one direction. ——
A muscle contracts & The Bone or bones moves - Though not necessarily in one direction.
You can't 'hit' it from another angle. ——
Certainly some exercise can & do stimulate muscles in different areas
Dependent to some degree on the origin & insertion of the muscles.
Not if you are talking about the same muscle. Sure some other muscle are activated as a stabilizers but if you are talking about using the muscle as it is interned to be used you first have to know it's function. Once you know that you will realize that you can not ever hit a different area of that muscle. It's physically impossible.
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Not if you are talking about the same muscle. Sure some other muscle are activated as a stabilizers but if you are talking about using the muscle as it is interned to be used you first have to know it's function. Once you know that you will realize that you can not ever hit a different area of that muscle. It's physically impossible.
A muscle either contracts or it doesn’t - if you 1st understand that.
Contraction of the muscle fibres is its function to pull on bones via tendons.
Also How else but use a muscle as it was intended ?
Let’s take your view that it is impossible to hit a different area of a muscle
1, pls post your exact workout
2, The countless No. of bodybuilders from novice to top pro’s have Then
Got there training wrong as they include different angles & exercise
3, let’s take Arnold’s chest development- you’re saying his chest would of looked
Exactly the same from only doing say flat DB flyes
Or Tom Platzs thigh development would’ve been the same from doing just leg extensions
You have a interesting view , as did arthur Jones / Mike Mentzer view of doing only 1 set to failure.
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A muscle either contracts or it doesn’t - if you 1st understand that.
Contraction of the muscle fibres is its function to pull on bones via tendons.
Also How else but use a muscle as it was intended ?
Let’s take your view that it is impossible to hit a different area of a muscle
1, pls post your exact workout
2, The countless No. of bodybuilders from novice to top pro’s have Then
Got there training wrong as they include different angles & exercise
3, let’s take Arnold’s chest development- you’re saying his chest would of looked
Exactly the same from only doing say flat DB flyes
Or Tom Platzs thigh development would’ve been the same from doing just leg extensions
You have a interesting view , as did arthur Jones / Mike Mentzer view of doing only 1 set to failure.
That's a long answer but for lack of time and I will answer more in depth later. The chest is one muscle the legs are many so obviously require different exercises. As long as you pick an exercise that stresses the muscle in the right direction with no lack of tension due to angle and gravity then yes that is all you need.
Here instead of writing a book lengthen answer watch this and go from there. Doug is probably the most knowledgeable on this subject.
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That's a long answer but for lack of time and I will answer more in depth later. The chest is one muscle the legs are many so obviously require different exercises. As long as you pick an exercise that stresses the muscle in the right direction with no lack of tension due to angle and gravity then yes that is all you need.
Here instead of writing a book lengthen answer watch this and go from there. Doug is probably the most knowledgeable on this subject.
It looks like we will have to agree to disagree.
As for Doug - yes he speaks quite a lot of sense
I’ve watched many of his videos & they’re good
Can’t say I learnt anything I wasn’t already aware of.
He’s a refreshing change from a lot of the no nothings
Posting videos.
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When I train, I pretend that my mind is inside my muscle and my mind is feeding my muscle positive thoughts.
interestingly enough, while the whole mind muscle connection thing is true, and it's good to have, the main thing to getting huge is not mind/muscle connection, it's getting progressively stronger on all your basic lifts, squat, bench press, deadlift, overhead press, upright rows, barbell curls, barbell triceps extensions, calf raises, etc, your upper body alone will be bigger when you can bench 405 lbs than when you can only bench only 225 lbs
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Yet so many idiots listen to him and pay him outrageous prices
Snake oil salesman at best
Sucks that he is not of Germanic ancestry
Oh well.....
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Yet so many idiots listen to him and pay him outrageous prices
Snake oil salesman at best
Glass is legit, he wouldn't be making any money if he wasn't delivering results
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The AthleanX guy doesn't need a drug guru/supplier to lend him credibility. You simply watch his videos and can tell he knows his shit. He breaks it down for you in the simplest terms and gives you the science behind it.
Surprises me that more bodybuilders haven’t taken notice of athlean x to bring up lagging bodyparts. Using the correct movement through full range of motion surely would help the aesthetics of the muscle?
Then again, when bodybuilders like Kai insist dips, upright rows etc target the rear delts, maybe we’re expecting too much of said bodybuilders?
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Surprises me that more bodybuilders haven’t taken notice of athlean x to bring up lagging bodyparts. Using the correct movement through full range of motion surely would help the aesthetics of the muscle?
Then again, when bodybuilders like Kai insist dips, upright rows etc target the rear delts, maybe we’re expecting too much of said bodybuilders?
Dude.... obviously they all think that using more drugs or insulin is the answer.
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Decline presses is one of the best movements for the entire pecs if not the best. I just don't like doing them because of the possibility of failing and having a bar on your throat or face. I hate asking for a spot. Most guys start doing upright rows as a spot. Dips are a similar pathway and I use them instead.
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Decline presses is one of the best movements for the entire pecs if not the best. I just don't like doing them because of the possibility of failing and having a bar on your throat or face. I hate asking for a spot. Most guys start doing upright rows as a spot. Dips are a similar pathway and I use them instead.
yes, the secret to a big chest is to concentrate on the lower chest, declines, dips, etc
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Not if you are talking about the same muscle. Sure some other muscle are activated as a stabilizers but if you are talking about using the muscle as it is interned to be used you first have to know it's function. Once you know that you will realize that you can not ever hit a different area of that muscle. It's physically impossible.
I used to scoff at the idea of all those different angles. In 1991 I was training at Gold's, Venice and Ray Mentzer was helping me in one exercise. He 'corrected' my form re grip and angle of elbows on a Hammer Incline
machine. Here I was thinking I knew enough but the truth was there was still plenty to learn. Especially from guys who had bigger muscles.
I have always considered Larry Scott to be knowledgeable about training. Gironda, the Mentzers, and a few others were/are as well. Glass probably is, too.
Now about hitting a different area of a muscle. Take biceps. It has three functions. The two main are flexion and supination. I made a biceps machine that has two weight stacks. One for flexion and the other for supination.
It is possible to target both heads simultaneously or separately. It is possible, on my biceps-supinator machine, to target a different part of the same muscle.
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I used to scoff at the idea of all those different angles. In 1991 I was training at Gold's, Venice and Ray Mentzer was helping me in one exercise. He 'corrected' my form re grip and angle of elbows on a Hammer Incline
machine. Here I was thinking I knew enough but the truth was there was still plenty to learn. Especially from guys who had bigger muscles.
I have always considered Larry Scott to be knowledgeable about training. Gironda, the Mentzers, and a few others were/are as well. Glass probably is, too.
Now about hitting a different area of a muscle. Take biceps. It has three functions. The two main are flexion and supination. I made a biceps machine that has two weight stacks. One for flexion and the other for supination.
It is possible to target both heads simultaneously or separately. It is possible, on my biceps-supinator machine, to target a different part of the same muscle.
HAHA Mike did the exact same thing to me- I did one rep. he said STOP, one thing I insist on is proper form... had me flare my elbows out more, go slower, full ROM.
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HAHA Mike did the exact same thing to me- I did one rep. he said STOP, one thing I insist on is proper form... had me flare my elbows out more, go slower, full ROM.
When someone with over 20 inch arms gives you advice you tend to listen. One thing about Mike and Ray is that they were influenced by Arthur Jones who didn't suffer fools.
Ray and Mike knew a lot about how muscles worked. That was an important part of their seminars and training camps.
The point is, what is the test of the truth of these practices and tips? Well, do they work? If you attended a training camp of Ray Mentzer you would change how you do many exercises.
On the other hand, there appears to be heaps of broscience passed down from generation to generation in countless gyms all over the world.
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HAHA Mike did the exact same thing to me- I did one rep. he said STOP, one thing I insist on is proper form... had me flare my elbows out more, go slower, full ROM.
I thought about this again and I smiled a bit. Mike and Ray used to train people at Golds. When they encountered someone who already knew how to train they
would 'correct' form on crucial exercises to make the client feel they didn't know much! It worked with me.
In 1991 I stayed at Ray's place in Torrance. When driving near Golds Venice he pointed out various guys who they trained and were now 'personal trainers'. They
trained for a month with Mike or Ray then felt qualified to train others! Of course Ray didn't respect those people as experts.
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I made a biceps machine that has two weight stacks. One for flexion and the other for supination.
It is possible to target both heads simultaneously or separately. It is possible, on my biceps-supinator machine, to target a different part of the same muscle.
Vince will you post a video of the machine being used?
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Vince will you post a video of the machine being used?
Hi Dave, I would do this but the design is still valuable to me so I will refrain until I have approached some equipment companies to see if they are interested.
I am still training my arms. The workouts involve two exercises but the intensity is extreme and I train them only once a week instead of twice because I keep
putting it off.
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haha u old fart angles dont mean shit! curl a weight a 100 ways or do 100 sets one way it aint gonna make a shits worth a difference asshole
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Hi Dave, I would do this but the design is still valuable to me so I will refrain until I have approached some equipment companies to see if they are interested.
I am still training my arms. The workouts involve two exercises but the intensity is extreme and I train them only once a week instead of twice because I keep
putting it off.
why do your arms suck? do u need 102 angles or 150 different angles? ??? get your head outta your ass old man
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haha u old fart angles dont mean shit! curl a weight a 100 ways or do 100 sets one way it aint gonna make a shits worth a difference asshole
You've obviously never used his world renowned supinator. LOL.
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You've obviously never used his world renowned supinator. LOL.
vince b is one of those guys so dumb hes a genius by always training to get big arms, he instead never gets big arms but by sheer dumb luck and consitency all that dumb arm training is fixing all the blood clots in his arms so he never dies
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why do your arms suck? do u need 102 angles or 150 different angles? ??? get your head outta your ass old man
I don't take kindly to being disrespected.....!
I don't need any angles just one machine to totally exhaust my biceps. My biceps-supinator. There is only one such machine in this world and I built it.
Naturally, blokes dwelling in the mountains where you live take pride in being ignorant of modern advances in engineering.
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vince b is one of those guys so dumb hes a genius by always training to get big arms, he instead never gets big arms but by sheer dumb luck and consitency all that dumb arm training is fixing all the blood clots in his arms so he never dies
Two things I train arms for. I want to prove that I can still build muscle at my age. 75. Second, if I can keep a body part growing via hypertrophy, then I will stimulate hormones that help keep me feeling younger.
For the record, my arms are the biggest they have been since I began lifting weights in 1958. My strength in biceps and triceps exercises is the highest ever. Best years ago on Nautilus triceps machine (modified) was 7 plates.
I now regularly use 10 plates for maximum sets. My biceps are stronger, too, which is great.
About 10 years ago a radiographer told me my body had not aged much. She worked in a busy hospital and saw hundreds of patients each month. I don't subscribe to taking hormone replacement treatments.
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I don't take kindly to being disrespected.....!
I don't need any angles just one machine to totally exhaust my biceps. My biceps-supinator. There is only one such machine in this world and I built it.
Naturally, blokes dwelling in the mountains where you live take pride in being ignorant of modern advances in engineering.
No actually there's another machine it's called your arm. You put your arm in the supinated position, with the weight in your hand if it's a dumbbell, and you create flexion at the elbow keeping your elbows in adducted. In other words a fucking curl in the supinated position genius.
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I used to scoff at the idea of all those different angles. In 1991 I was training at Gold's, Venice and Ray Mentzer was helping me in one exercise. He 'corrected' my form re grip and angle of elbows on a Hammer Incline
machine. Here I was thinking I knew enough but the truth was there was still plenty to learn. Especially from guys who had bigger muscles.
I have always considered Larry Scott to be knowledgeable about training. Gironda, the Mentzers, and a few others were/are as well. Glass probably is, too.
Now about hitting a different area of a muscle. Take biceps. It has three functions. The two main are flexion and supination. I made a biceps machine that has two weight stacks. One for flexion and the other for supination.
It is possible to target both heads simultaneously or separately. It is possible, on my biceps-supinator machine, to target a different part of the same muscle.
It is not possible to target one head or the other separately.
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Two things I train arms for. I want to prove that I can still build muscle at my age. 75. Second, if I can keep a body part growing via hypertrophy, then I will stimulate hormones that help keep me feeling younger.
For the record, my arms are the biggest they have been since I began lifting weights in 1958. My strength in biceps and triceps exercises is the highest ever. Best years ago on Nautilus triceps machine (modified) was 7 plates.
I now regularly use 10 plates for maximum sets. My biceps are stronger, too, which is great.
About 10 years ago a radiographer told me my body had not aged much. She worked in a busy hospital and saw hundreds of patients each month. I don't subscribe to taking hormone replacement treatments.
And you call me delusional? LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!
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When you do for example a standing bicep curl both heads of the bicep with be at maximum contraction (supinated) at the top of the movement. There is no need to turn your wrist out any further. Your wrist is automatically in the position for maximum supination which allows maximum contraction.
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It is not possible to target one head or the other separately.
I do it all the time on my machine. You can target both heads simultaneously by twisting the handle while curling the weight. If I stop the flexion I can then twist the handle and use the supinator part of the biceps.
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When you do for example a standing bicep curl both heads of the bicep with be at maximum contraction (supinated) at the top of the movement. There is no need to turn your wrist out any further. Your wrist is automatically in the position for maximum supination which allows maximum contraction.
The barbell curl isn't as effective as dumbbell curls because you can twist the dumbbells on the way up to involve the supination head of the biceps. If you hold the dumbbells closer to the end nearest the body then you will add
additional resistance to the supination movement. Larry Scott advocated doing this.
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I do it all the time on my machine. You can target both heads simultaneously by twisting the handle while curling the weight. If I stop the flexion I can then twist the handle and use the supinator part of the biceps.
Supination is a position of the hand, not a part of the bicep moron. ENGLISH!
You clearly have no knowledge of the joint or muscle actions of the body.
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Haha lol Basile getting owned in this thread.
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Supination is a position of the hand, not a part of the bicep moron. ENGLISH!
You clearly have no knowledge of the joints or muscle actions of the body.
At least Wiggs is having a conversation. How the mighty have fallen!
Well, Wiggs, if you supinate your hand which part of the biceps do you use?
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At least Wiggs is having a conversation. How the mighty have fallen!
Well, Wiggs, if you supinate your hand which part of the biceps do you use?
In the supinated position you are working the short and the long head aka biceps brachii. I don't see how continuing to turn your wrists laterally past the supinated grip will have any added benefit towards muscle hypertrophy on the biceps. I can see extra stress on the muscle of the forearms more than the bicep. I think it takes away from the bicep if you turn it out too far. I'm open to learning if it is indeed true.
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In the supinated position you are working the short and the long head aka biceps brachii. I don't see how continuing to turn your wrists laterally past the supinated grip will have any added benefit towards muscle hypertrophy on the biceps. I can see extra stress on the muscle of the forearms more than the bicep. I think it takes away from the bicep if you turn it out too far. I'm open to learning if it is indeed true.
I got the idea of a biceps machine from Arthur Jones of Nautilus fame. He never built such a machine but stated that supination was an important part of the biceps brachii. So I wondered if it was possible to build such a
machine. I shared a factory with a smart guy who came up with a solution. I never used his solution but applied what he did and came up with my own solution. I was quite pleased because I visited the mechanical engineering
department at Sydney University and the head of the department couldn't solve this problem, either. Essentially one has to come up with a design that allows movement in two degrees of freedom. After a lot of thought I came up with a
design and applied for a patent. Silly me. It cost over $50,000 for the patent and yearly fees. Build your invention and then don't show it to anyone and then you might be able to sell it to a company. I wasn't interested in building and
selling them. What happened was that it took many years of changing things around to finally have a machine that was more user friendly. There were several major changes to the machine.
Anyway, the idea is that you are seated - which I determined - was the strongest position to do curls in. Counterbalances were needed and so on. The machine has 21 pulleys so is quite complicated.
When seated you hold the hand grips with your palms facing downwards and to the rear. You rotate your hands inwards and curl the resistance up to the shoulders. Each hand can be used individually or together. You can do the twisting
movement on the way up. Even if you don't move your hands there is still an extra resistance from the second weight stack. You have to keep the handles from twisting back to the original position.
I can tell you that after several warm up sets the movement becomes a brutal one. That is why I put off training arms more frequently. It is just too damn hard to do. Well, I always go to failure on both biceps and triceps for
the last 6 or so sets after a thorough warm up.
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In the supinated position you are working the short and the long head aka biceps brachii. I don't see how continuing to turn your wrists laterally past the supinated grip will have any added benefit towards muscle hypertrophy on the biceps. I can see extra stress on the muscle of the forearms more than the bicep. I think it takes away from the bicep if you turn it out too far. I'm open to learning if it is indeed true.
Correct, in fact when you are doing standing barbell curls your palm is facing the ceiling and your bicep is maximally contracted at that point. It is impossible to turn your wrist any further. People who use Dbs are just using the weight of the DB to bend their wrist in an unnatural position while under the assumption that they are getting more contraction.
Try this. Stand with your arms to your side. Keep your palms facing forward. Now make a fist as if you have a bar in your hands. Keep your arms completely at you sides and as you curl your arms up do not let your elbows lose contact with your body. Now stop half way up so your forearm is at a 90 degree angle. At this point try to turn your wrists outward so your palms are no longer facing the ceiling. As I said earlier you will see that it is impossible. People who use DBs are just letting the outer part of the DB bend the wrist risking injury.
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The barbell curl isn't as effective as dumbbell curls because you can twist the dumbbells on the way up to involve the supination head of the biceps. If you hold the dumbbells closer to the end nearest the body then you will add
additional resistance to the supination movement. Larry Scott advocated doing this.
WRONG!!! Read previous page for the answer. Honestly at your age and someone who claims to have studied the movement of the biceps enough to invent a machine one would think you would realize simple body mechanics.
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what matters is results, my arms were not growing when I was all caught up in chasing the pump, using light weight with perfect form, and then I wondered how come my arms were stuck at 15.5''. Once I understood that high intensity and going heavy, and getting progressively stronger is what really matters, my arms blew up to 20''. also it's important to do heavy cheat curls and stop that nonsense of ''good form'', it's all about getting stronger, form can be a bit sloppy if you truly want to grow, perfect form is nonsense
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Correct, in fact when you are doing standing barbell curls your palm is facing the ceiling and your bicep is maximally contracted at that point. It is impossible to turn your wrist any further. People who use Dbs are just using the weight of the DB to bend their wrist in an unnatural position while under the assumption that they are getting more contraction.
Try this. Stand with your arms to your side. Keep your palms facing forward. Now make a fist as if you have a bar in your hands. Keep your arms completely at you sides and as you curl your arms up do not let your elbows lose contact with your body. Now stop half way up so your forearm is at a 90 degree angle. At this point try to turn your wrists outward so your palms are no longer facing the ceiling. As I said earlier you will see that it is impossible. People who use DBs are just letting the outer part of the DB bend the wrist risking injury.
Who said anything about trying to supinate near the finish of the curl? With dumbbells one supinates on the way up and completes the supination when the forearm is at 90 degrees. Ditto with my machine. Start with wrists facing each other then supinate on the way up.
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Post a pic to prove 20" arms naturally.
Anyway, I think there is merit to trying different angles or as Marty said, sticking to one single exercise. Vince talks about his size and strength but his bodyfat level is that of an obese person or near that. It's much less of an accomplishment than someone who has very low bodyfat through mental dedication to their nutrition. Anyone can be fat with big arms.
Lol. So many experts on Getbig.
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Who said anything about trying to supinate near the finish of the curl? With dumbbells one supinates on the way up and completes the supination when the forearm is at 90 degrees. Ditto with my machine. Start with wrists facing each other then supinate on the way up.
The only reason you start with your palms facing each other with DBs is because your legs are in the way of the DBs. If you start with palms facing each other you are using your forearms at the start of the movement and in essence you are doing a hammer curl until the DB is almost at a 90 degree angle then you switch to a pure curl movement and by that point the curl in finished unless you rotate your elbows forward like most people do falsely thinking that you are using your biceps but you are actually using your front delt.
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You claim to be one but you're no different than anyone else. On steroids, you built a decent physique. Since being off them, you barely (if at all) look like you trained. Not now but for many, many years. That's the real sign of an expert and it says more than all of your blue or purple-colored words do.
It is always refreshing to hear the opinion of a true expert.
Colour is navy.
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Was that in reference to me?
I'll put this question out there: What makes Vince B an expert on bodybuilding? Can anyone actually provide a good argument that of him being an expert? As far as I can tell, he is not.
lol not towards you at all. Towards your buddy Vince.
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The only reason you start with your palms facing each other with DBs is because your legs are in the way of the DBs. If you start with palms facing each other you are using your forearms at the start of the movement and in essence you are doing a hammer curl until the DB is almost at a 90 degree angle then you switch to a pure curl movement and by that point the curl in finished unless you rotate your elbows forward like most people do falsely thinking that you are using your biceps but you are actually using your front delt.
Yes, but my handles are not impeded by the thighs. Most workouts result in sore biceps and triceps. DOMS seldom results after using other machines or free weights.
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Yes, but my handles are not impeded by the thighs. Most workouts result in sore biceps and triceps. DOMS seldom results after using other machines or free weights.
Then just use a bar or do concentration curls ??? So question, do concentration curls build a peak?
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Correct, in fact when you are doing standing barbell curls your palm is facing the ceiling and your bicep is maximally contracted at that point. It is impossible to turn your wrist any further. People who use Dbs are just using the weight of the DB to bend their wrist in an unnatural position while under the assumption that they are getting more contraction.
Try this. Stand with your arms to your side. Keep your palms facing forward. Now make a fist as if you have a bar in your hands. Keep your arms completely at you sides and as you curl your arms up do not let your elbows lose contact with your body. Now stop half way up so your forearm is at a 90 degree angle. At this point try to turn your wrists outward so your palms are no longer facing the ceiling. As I said earlier you will see that it is impossible. People who use DBs are just letting the outer part of the DB bend the wrist risking injury.
100% correct. Any movement unnatural in movement is increasing risk of injury.
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Lol. So many experts on Getbig.
I like you, Vince, but that's a really weak dodge. It's also fallacious on many levels.
He's correct: measurements don't mean much when someone is fat. Do you dispute that, or would you continue attacking the man rather than his claim?
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I'm willing to share more ''secrets'', I just don't care anymore
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Correct, in fact when you are doing standing barbell curls your palm is facing the ceiling and your bicep is maximally contracted at that point. It is impossible to turn your wrist any further. People who use Dbs are just using the weight of the DB to bend their wrist in an unnatural position while under the assumption that they are getting more contraction.
Try this. Stand with your arms to your side. Keep your palms facing forward. Now make a fist as if you have a bar in your hands. Keep your arms completely at you sides and as you curl your arms up do not let your elbows lose contact with your body. Now stop half way up so your forearm is at a 90 degree angle. At this point try to turn your wrists outward so your palms are no longer facing the ceiling. As I said earlier you will see that it is impossible. People who use DBs are just letting the outer part of the DB bend the wrist risking injury.
And then we have the Bertil Fox way of barbell and DB curling.
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And then we have the Bertil Fox way of barbell and DB curling.
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Yes & then there is Bertil Fox.....
Years ago he trained in my friends gym
A strange character was Bertil very withdrawn
& absolutely awful training form that would destroy
99% of other trainers.
Though it Worked for Him.
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lol yeah I've seen these. The boat loads of Dbol helped too. ;D Quick story for ya. Bertil stayed a friends house years ago during a show. Guess he was slapping his girl around one night. My buddy told him either stop or leave. I guess he liked to beat up on women. Well he obviously graduated to shooting them.
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Yes & then there is Bertil Fox.....
Years ago he trained in my friends gym
A strange character was Bertil very withdrawn
& absolutely awful training form that would destroy
99% of other trainers.
Though it Worked for Him.
Thought that Branch Warren & Johnnie Jackson trained with sloppy form...
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lol yeah I've seen these. The boat loads of Dbol helped too. ;D Quick story for ya. Bertil stayed a friends house years ago during a show. Guess he was slapping his girl around one night. My buddy told him either stop or leave. I guess he liked to beat up on women. Well he obviously graduated to shooting them.
that's why I don't take steroids. if you think you can take steroids, without hitting women...think again
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And then we have the Bertil Fox way of barbell and DB curling.
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excellent form. this is what worked for me, very heavy with ''sloppy'' form and boom, arms blow up. Bertil had bigger arms than perfect form Haney
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excellent form. this is what worked for me, very heavy with ''sloppy'' form and boom, arms blow up. Bertil had bigger arms than perfect form Haney
Yes he did have bigger arms
Only Lee has 8 Mr.O wins
& Bertil has a prison cell.
;D
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No actually there's another machine it's called your arm. You put your arm in the supinated position, with the weight in your hand if it's a dumbbell, and you create flexion at the elbow keeping your elbows in adducted. In other words a fucking curl in the supinated position genius.
haha i hate to laugh but vince is a thriving asshole
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Yes he did have bigger arms
Only Lee has 8 Mr.O wins
& Bertil has a prison cell.
;D
Thats because sloppy training really doesn't work for back exercises.
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The barbell curl isn't as effective as dumbbell curls because you can twist the dumbbells on the way up to involve the supination head of the biceps. If you hold the dumbbells closer to the end nearest the body then you will add
additional resistance to the supination movement. Larry Scott advocated doing this.
man stfu bassill lol
i do admire how you invent your own reality but fuck you are stupid... did you hit yourself in the head with a large crescent wrench when u built the machine?
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vince why do you complicate something so basic as a.barbell curl. do you really suggest that supinating your hand to the nth degree you open up magical secretions of growth?
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You claim to be one but you're no different than anyone else. On steroids, you built a decent physique. Since being off them, you barely look like you trained, if at all.
With all the talk about training methods and constantly boasting about your arm size, you look like shit. You don't need to post a picture, everyone knows you look like shit and can post a picture as proof any day of the week. You're not a bodybuilder, you were one but not anymore. You just train arms now, once a week. You're no better than anyone else.
Calling yourself an expert? No. I could explain how your biceps technique is wrong but if you haven't worked it out now... you'll never get it.
;D ;D
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About 10 years ago a radiographer told me my body had not aged much. She worked in a busy hospital and saw hundreds of patients each month. I don't subscribe to taking hormone replacement treatments.
BULLSHIT ::)
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haha i hate to laugh but vince is a thriving asshole
In this case this Wiggs know it all is wrong, not Vince.
You don't just put your hand in a supinated position and it magically stays there. That requires supination from both biceps brachii as well as the supinator muscle in the forearm. He's also right about the different stimulation by overloading supination more with offset dumbbell curls.
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Yes, but my handles are not impeded by the thighs. Most workouts result in sore biceps and triceps. DOMS seldom results after using other machines or free weights.
Do you often have thoughts about supinating Goodrum and Wiggs cock simultaneously?
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Yes he did have bigger arms
Only Lee has 8 Mr.O wins
& Bertil has a prison cell.
;D
I hate to admit it but Fox was better than Haney. Fox got robbed (https://11m0wk2tta413cnmt92u7qx7-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/Lee-Haney-Bertil-Fox-min.jpg)
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In this case this Wiggs know it all is wrong, not Vince.
You don't just put your hand in a supinated position and it magically stays there. That requires supination from both biceps brachii as well as the supinator muscle in the forearm. He's also right about the different stimulation by overloading supination more with offset dumbbell curls.
Can you explain to me how you would put your hand in the supinated position without putting your arm in the position? YOU CAN'T! You're being an asshole and if you look at my comment to Vince after you'll see I spoke about the arm. You're looking for something to nitpick at but you look like an asshole in the process. I know I'm right because it's the truth. There is no supinator muscle. You put joints and muscles in a supinated position. Supinated is a position not a joint or muscle, I can't make that any more clear. Just like pronation and neutral are positions and not muscles. You wanna play word games we can go but you'll lose...Asshole.
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Can you explain to me how you would put your hand in the supinated position without putting your arm in the position? YOU CAN'T! You're being an asshole and if you look at my comment to Vince after you'll see I spoke about the arm. You're looking for something to nitpick at but you look like an asshole in the process. I know I right because it's the truth. There is no supinator muscle. You put joints and muscles in a supinated position. Supinated is a position not a joint or muscle, I can't make that any more clear. Just like pronation and neutral are positions and not muscles. You wanna play word games we can go but you'll lose...Asshole.
there's no need to get so angry. Take deep breath.
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there's no need to get so angry. Take deep breath.
You gotta relax chief. How about putting some "respek" on sentences by capitalizing the first word in them?
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Yes, but my handles are not impeded by the thighs. Most workouts result in sore biceps and triceps. DOMS seldom results after using other machines or free weights.
Then you're clearly doing something wrong if you can't get sore from using machines or free weights.
My arms still get sore after using machines and free weights. Why can't yours? ??? ??? ??? ???
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Looks like there is an infestation of vermin and all manner of delusional broscience believers.
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You gotta relax chief. How about putting some "respek" on sentences by capitalizing the first word in them?
no, you seem angry, learn to accept a rebuke. calm down and take deep breath!
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Vince, it sounds like you need a personal trainer that knows what he's talking about not a redundant contraption. I'm honestly beginning to believe you're delusional.
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I hate to admit it but Fox was better than Haney. Fox got robbed (https://11m0wk2tta413cnmt92u7qx7-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/Lee-Haney-Bertil-Fox-min.jpg)
Fox couldn't pose well. Looked really bad from behind.
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Fox couldn't pose well. Looked really bad from behind.
attitude is everything too, Haney always had a nice smile, while Fox always looked like an angry criminal, these things matter to the judges
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Vince, it sounds like you need a personal trainer that knows what he's talking about not a redundant contraption. I'm honestly beginning to believe you're delusional.
Vince is very delusional about his training.
All bro science.
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that's why I don't take steroids. if you think you can take steroids, without hitting women...think again
Yes every time I took steroids I ended up killing a few.
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Vince has been training naturally for about 40 years... yep... and has looked basically the same the entire time. That is, he hasn't looked like he trains at all. This would be fine for an expert that uses their knowledge to train people. Vince hasn't done that. He just proclaims to be an expert and is making all of these gains... but we all know that he's completely warped since he has never looked like he trains at all.
Owning a gym business does not make one an expert. His physique speaks for itself. Just one more delusional troll on the forum.
Gym is gone :D
Landlord throw him out ;D
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Yes every time I took steroids I ended up killing a few.
that's sin, remember, the Bible says ''thou shall not kill'' a more accurate translation is ''thou shall not murder''
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that's sin, remember, the Bible says ''thou shall not kill'' a more accurate translation is ''thou shall not murder''
NO I go by the old testament. Thou shalt not piss me off bitch or suffer my wrath.
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NO I go by the old testament. Thou shalt not piss me off bitch or suffer my wrath.
nah, where does it say that??
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Apparently you don't know your bible son.
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Apparently you don't know your bible son.
oh!
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Can you explain to me how you would put your hand in the supinated position without putting your arm in the position? YOU CAN'T! You're being an asshole and if you look at my comment to Vince after you'll see I spoke about the arm. You're looking for something to nitpick at but you look like an asshole in the process. I know I'm right because it's the truth. There is no supinator muscle. You put joints and muscles in a supinated position. Supinated is a position not a joint or muscle, I can't make that any more clear. Just like pronation and neutral are positions and not muscles. You wanna play word games we can go but you'll lose...Asshole.
yes there is.
now I didnt read all the arguments above I'm just stating the fact here.
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yes there is.
now I didnt read all the arguments above I'm just stating the fact here.
No there are not. There are muscles you can supinate, there are no supinator muscles.
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best way to settle this argument is for all the people involved is to show their best arm pic from their years of training, I would be interested to see the results vs the expertise
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best way to settle this argument is for all the people involved is to show their best arm pic from their years of training, I would be interested to see the results vs the expertise
Here is me with Roelly last year . I was bulked up. And yeah, I was trying to out angle him.
(https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/fr/cp0/e15/q65/21752868_1927324560867259_5117294725860767779_o.jpg?_nc_cat=0&efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9&oh=4e95bce03c672be2c1fe46ed19bb1348&oe=5B29BB01)
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Here is me with Roelly last year . I was bulked up. And yeah, I was trying to out angle him.
(https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/fr/cp0/e15/q65/21752868_1927324560867259_5117294725860767779_o.jpg?_nc_cat=0&efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9&oh=4e95bce03c672be2c1fe46ed19bb1348&oe=5B29BB01)
my point to the comment is everyone is dead set on their opinion which is based on one or all 3 of the following
1- because science says so ::)
2- bro science ::)
3- actual in the gym experience ::)
None of them are actually right or wrong to be honest because there are probably other variables not even being considered outside the biomechanics etc
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No there are not. There are muscles you can supinate, there are no supinator muscles.
Jesus wept, you are an absolute fcuking idiot.
Thank God for people like you to keep Getbig entertaining.
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Jesus wept, you are an absolute fcuking idiot.
Thank God for people like you to keep Getbig entertaining.
Hmmm... somebody deleted my earlier post and it looks like Nelson Muntz was referring to it. Gee, wonder who it could have been. ::)
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Hmmm... somebody deleted my earlier post and it looks like Nelson Muntz was referring to it. Gee, wonder who it could have been. ::)
I was not referring to anyone's post Al, what did you say that was deleted?
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Here is me with Roelly last year . I was bulked up. And yeah, I was trying to out angle him.
(https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/fr/cp0/e15/q65/21752868_1927324560867259_5117294725860767779_o.jpg?_nc_cat=0&efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9&oh=4e95bce03c672be2c1fe46ed19bb1348&oe=5B29BB01)
you are a big MOFO - nice work
anymore pics?
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6 pages on whether changing the angle in which the upper arms in relation to the torso or femur bones in relation to the torso (or the angle of the feet) may affect how a particular muclscle group is stressed?
Is this still a debate?
Changing an "angle" is more about "de-emphasizing" certain areas of a muscle group or placing a particular muscle in a "pre-flexed" position. Nothing more.
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what matters is results. there, I said it.
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The only reason you start with your palms facing each other with DBs is because your legs are in the way of the DBs. If you start with palms facing each other you are using your forearms at the start of the movement and in essence you are doing a hammer curl until the DB is almost at a 90 degree angle then you switch to a pure curl movement and by that point the curl in finished unless you rotate your elbows forward like most people do falsely thinking that you are using your biceps but you are actually using your front delt.
At which range do you think it is best stop the concentric movement?
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you are a big MOFO - nice work
anymore pics?
That's not 'Parker', but he's still a great person in my book
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At which range do you think it is best stop the concentric movement?
Every body, every arm, every rectus femorus, every triceps, every attachment of the lateral triceps head, every sternos, every solely, etc etc etc... Is different, so everybody's movement is gonna be different.
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No there are not. There are muscles you can supinate, there are no supinator muscles.
yes there is. there's a muscle that does exactly that, supination, and it's called supinator.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supinator_muscle
you don't supinate muscle, the muscle supinator supinates the forearm.
we can make a separate thread about it if you want.
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yes there is. there's a muscle that does exactly that, supination, and it's called supinator.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supinator_muscle
you don't supinate muscle, the muscle supinator supinates the forearm.
we can make a separate thread about it if you want.
Etymology
The term "supinator" can also refer more generally to a muscle that causes supination of a part of the body. In older texts, the term "supinator longus" was used to refer to the brachioradialis, and "supinator brevis" was used to describe the muscle now known as the supinator.
I was right and partially wrong. You can supinate your foot and the muscles there are not called supinator muscles. But you are correct, there is indeed a muscle called supinator.
Supination – the arch rises and the foot becomes slightly shorter. In a supinated position the foot is rigid and able to act as an efficient lever for walking. The main muscle that causes supination is tibialis posterior and the main muscles that resist supination are the peroneal muscles.
supinator - a muscle that can act to cause a supination movement, e.g. to turn the palm of a hand superiorly or anteriorly is called an supinator.supinate (verb) - For example, the supinator muscle in the lower-arm supinates the hand and wrist.
You were right and partially wrong.
So go ahead and make your thread. It's a draw.
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Etymology
The term "supinator" can also refer more generally to a muscle that causes supination of a part of the body. In older texts, the term "supinator longus" was used to refer to the brachioradialis, and "supinator brevis" was used to describe the muscle now known as the supinator.
I was right and partially wrong. You can supinate your foot and the muscles there are not called supinator muscles. But you are correct, there is indeed a muscle called supinator.
Supination – the arch rises and the foot becomes slightly shorter. In a supinated position the foot is rigid and able to act as an efficient lever for walking. The main muscle that causes supination is tibialis posterior and the main muscles that resist supination are the peroneal muscles.
supinator - a muscle that can act to cause a supination movement, e.g. to turn the palm of a hand superiorly or anteriorly is called an supinator.supinate (verb) - For example, the supinator muscle in the lower-arm supinates the hand and wrist.
You were right and partially wrong.
So go ahead and make your thread. It's a draw.
my argument was about whether the muscle named supinator of upper extremeties exists or not. no need for separate thread professor.
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my argument was about whether the muscle named supinator of upper extremeties exists or not. no need for separate thread professor.
You specifically said, "you don't supinate muscle". Look at your post. I said you do. You didn't specify which muscle, you made a general statement. Therefore, I was right. I was wrong in that I said there was no supinator muscle. Which there certainly is. This muscle acts to supinate and has other functions other than supination.
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Every body, every arm, every rectus femorus, every triceps, every attachment of the lateral triceps head, every sternos, every solely, etc etc etc... Is different, so everybody's movement is gonna be different.
This. Should be in that Decline thread as well.
Too many people are watching Brignole's videos and even he said that people are misinterpreting alot of what he is saying. I was watching a video where he pointed that out discussing favourable movements for the older crowd.
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No there are not. There are muscles you can supinate, there are no supinator muscles.
this is quoted from your post. what i meant was the muscles contract, therefore moves the joints in certain way, in this case supination of wrist. your above post makes it sound like the muscle supinates itself(that's how i read it)perhaps if you said ''there are muscles that supinate..'' then i would've made no argument about it.
and just relax man.... we're talking about tiny little muscle that's not even visible on outside(at least in my 13 inch arms). you're probably bigger and stronger than me and probably more knowledgeable than I from what i read. if you want a victory out of this convo, hey it's all yours... I do however support Vince Basile's supinator machine concept unlike most here.
let's get back to the topic. :)