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by Howard Kurtz Nov 19, 2012 8:40 PM EST
John Feehery says Republicans are a "flawed party"
John Feehery, a veteran Republican strategist, has a blunt message for his party: It’s time to stand up to “the Rush Limbaughs of the world.”
Taking aim at conservative talk show hosts, Feehery tells me in a video interview, “we cannot be cowed by them. When they say things that are culturally insensitive and stupid, we need to go after them.”
Limbaugh and Sean Hannity, among others, have a strong following on the right. But Feehery, a former House GOP official, says there is too much “inflammatory” rhetoric: “We can have honest, open discussions about the future of the country without unnecessarily jabbing our fingers in the eyes of Hispanic voters, African-American voters, Asian voters.”
What do voters think, Feehery asks, “when they hear right-wing luminaries say things that are completely outrageous and offensive, and you don’t stand up?” He also says some conservatives should knock off the “racial undertones” in criticizing President Obama.
Feehery believed Mitt Romney was going to win, but now says “he made so many mistakes during the campaign that were self-inflicted errors,” including the infamous 47 percent comment. “We had a flawed candidate; we have a flawed party,” says Feehery.
more:
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/11/19/gop-strategist-time-to-talk-back-to-rush.html
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by Howard Kurtz Nov 19, 2012 8:40 PM EST
John Feehery says Republicans are a "flawed party"
John Feehery, a veteran Republican strategist, has a blunt message for his party: It’s time to stand up to “the Rush Limbaughs of the world.”
Taking aim at conservative talk show hosts, Feehery tells me in a video interview, “we cannot be cowed by them. When they say things that are culturally insensitive and stupid, we need to go after them.”
Limbaugh and Sean Hannity, among others, have a strong following on the right. But Feehery, a former House GOP official, says there is too much “inflammatory” rhetoric: “We can have honest, open discussions about the future of the country without unnecessarily jabbing our fingers in the eyes of Hispanic voters, African-American voters, Asian voters.”
What do voters think, Feehery asks, “when they hear right-wing luminaries say things that are completely outrageous and offensive, and you don’t stand up?” He also says some conservatives should knock off the “racial undertones” in criticizing President Obama.
Feehery believed Mitt Romney was going to win, but now says “he made so many mistakes during the campaign that were self-inflicted errors,” including the infamous 47 percent comment. “We had a flawed candidate; we have a flawed party,” says Feehery.
more:
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/11/19/gop-strategist-time-to-talk-back-to-rush.html
That's it. Blaming radio hosts and sucking up to the Dems is really going to get the GOP back in the winners' circle. ::)
Go ahead. See how far that gets you.
Hannity and Limbaugh were defending Romney, when goofs like this guy bailed on him after all this 47% crap.
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i hope the rest of the repubs think the same way as you and stay the course ;D
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i hope the rest of the repubs think the same way as you and stay the course ;D
The idea that we lost because of Hannity or Limbaugh is ludicrous, especially considering that many things that they said Romney could have and should have done, during the campaign and the debates, Romney didn't do.
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The idea that we lost because of Hannity or Limbaugh is ludicrous, especially considering that many things that they said Romney could have and should have done, during the campaign and the debates, Romney didn't do.
they played their role - their rating$ will be MUCH higher with obama in office - where rush/hannity are right all day, where they're attacking all day, etc - Than when they're trying to kneepad for a RINO, big spending repub.
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Repubs are still too fucking stupid to undersand that it's their message, their policies and their ideology that is the problem
They think if they have a young brown face give the same stupid message that somehow they will win
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by Howard Kurtz Nov 19, 2012 8:40 PM EST
John Feehery says Republicans are a "flawed party"
John Feehery, a veteran Republican strategist, has a blunt message for his party: It’s time to stand up to “the Rush Limbaughs of the world.”
Taking aim at conservative talk show hosts, Feehery tells me in a video interview, “we cannot be cowed by them. When they say things that are culturally insensitive and stupid, we need to go after them.”
Limbaugh and Sean Hannity, among others, have a strong following on the right. But Feehery, a former House GOP official, says there is too much “inflammatory” rhetoric: “We can have honest, open discussions about the future of the country without unnecessarily jabbing our fingers in the eyes of Hispanic voters, African-American voters, Asian voters.”
What do voters think, Feehery asks, “when they hear right-wing luminaries say things that are completely outrageous and offensive, and you don’t stand up?” He also says some conservatives should knock off the “racial undertones” in criticizing President Obama.
Feehery believed Mitt Romney was going to win, but now says “he made so many mistakes during the campaign that were self-inflicted errors,” including the infamous 47 percent comment. “We had a flawed candidate; we have a flawed party,” says Feehery.
more:
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/11/19/gop-strategist-time-to-talk-back-to-rush.html
1. Obama BARELY "won" (and I use this term loosely) and if there wasn't as much blatant fraud going on, it would have been a landslide for Romney.
2. "They are saying things that are culturally insensitive and stupid" "inflammatory"? are you kidding?? This is EXACTLY what the right (and left) need to hear. Libs make speeches and accusations that are complete lies, call people racist for saying words like "Chicago" and Rush needs to stand down?? are you fucking kidding. He tells it like is and rarely wrong. Bullshit, guys like Rush, Hannity, Levine hit hard....but I say hit even harder.
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Repubs are still too fucking stupid to undersand that it's their message, their policies and their ideology that is the problem
They think if they have a young brown face give the same stupid message that somehow they will win
And, you seem to think that the GOP going Dem-lite is actually going to help them, abandoning their base (without which they stand no chance of winning). That's rather stupid.
Dems didn't abandon their message when they lost 8 years ago. In fact, they did precisely what you just said: They put a brown face on their same stupid message. They won, because many of those brown faces thought that guy would make their lives better.
Instead, it's been worse. Yet, they voted for him again, thinking "Oh, he just needs more time!". What's going to be the excuse, when Obama fails to create jobs and lower unemployment again?
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1. Obama BARELY "won" (and I use this term loosely) and if there wasn't as much blatant fraud going on, it would have been a landslide for Romney.
2. "They are saying things that are culturally insensitive and stupid" "inflammatory"? are you kidding?? This is EXACTLY what the right (and left) need to hear. Libs make speeches and accusations that are complete lies, call people racist for saying words like "Chicago" and Rush needs to stand down?? are you fucking kidding. He tells it like is and rarely wrong. Bullshit, guys like Rush, Hannity, Levine hit hard....but I say hit even harder.
hahahahahahahahahahahaha hhahahahahahahahhahahaha hhahahahahahahahahahahah ahh the dumbing down of the repub party ;D
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1. Obama BARELY "won" (and I use this term loosely) and if there wasn't as much blatant fraud going on, it would have been a landslide for Romney.
2. "They are saying things that are culturally insensitive and stupid" "inflammatory"? are you kidding?? This is EXACTLY what the right (and left) need to hear. Libs make speeches and accusations that are complete lies, call people racist for saying words like "Chicago" and Rush needs to stand down?? are you fucking kidding. He tells it like is and rarely wrong. Bullshit, guys like Rush, Hannity, Levine hit hard....but I say hit even harder.
false - he won with a comfortable margin in the popular vote and LANDSLIDE in the electoral college (as defined by right wing morons when they were talking about Romney)
but I understand the weak minded people in this country can't process reality and so they need to make believe it was a close race ignoring the fact that Dems won every key Senate race and picked up seats in both the House and Senate while retaining the White House
Repubs got stomped
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hahahahahahahahahahahaha hhahahahahahahahhahahaha hhahahahahahahahahahahah ahh the dumbing down of the repub party ;D
as usual, you can't clarify this answer.
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Repubs are still too fucking stupid to undersand that it's their message, their policies and their ideology that is the problem
They think if they have a young brown face give the same stupid message that somehow they will win
100% True. Although Rubio claims (in Iowa) to embrace Hip Hop music now. :D
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Repubs are still too fucking stupid to undersand that it's their message, their policies and their ideology that is the problem
They think if they have a young brown face give the same stupid message that somehow they will win
This!!
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1. Obama BARELY "won" (and I use this term loosely) and if there wasn't as much blatant fraud going on, it would have been a landslide for Romney.
2. "They are saying things that are culturally insensitive and stupid" "inflammatory"? are you kidding?? This is EXACTLY what the right (and left) need to hear. Libs make speeches and accusations that are complete lies, call people racist for saying words like "Chicago" and Rush needs to stand down?? are you fucking kidding. He tells it like is and rarely wrong. Bullshit, guys like Rush, Hannity, Levine hit hard....but I say hit even harder.
Man you don't quit do you? Obama raped Romney, absolutely raped him with 330 electoral votes a landslide. No evidence of fraud has been presented that is credible.
Rush limbaugh is a complete moron, no wonder you like him. Stay on your anti-intellectual course and see what happens. You are the problem with the party the biased retard that buys into everything right.
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as usual, you can't clarify this answer.
tell us about the blatant fraud :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
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100% True. Although Rubio claims (in Iowa) to embrace Hip Hop music now. :D
I believe rubio on that one. I had that same tape in 1988. Granted, I haven't listened to it in about 20 years, but still, I get it.
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false - he won with a comfortable margin in the popular vote and LANDSLIDE in the electoral college (as defined by right wing morons when they were talking about Romney)
but I understand the weak minded people in this country can't process reality and so they need to make believe it was a close race ignoring the fact that Dems won every key Senate race and picked up seats in both the House and Senate while retaining the White House
Repubs got stomped
Yeah, whatever you say ::) This is coming from the sheeple who still can't answer why you voted for him. What was it? The economy? Foreign policy? Jobs? Free shit? Bush's fault and you think he can fix it? Tell me.
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Yeah, whatever you say ::) This is coming from the sheeple who still can't answer why you voted for him. What was it? The economy? Foreign policy? Jobs? Free shit? Bush's fault and you think he can fix it? Tell me.
tell us about the blatant fraud
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tell us about the blatant fraud :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
For starts, Ohio. Obama got 99 and 100% of the votes out of over 150 precincts. This doesn't happen when you have dictator. Philly. GOP poll sitters forcibly removed illegally and replaced. Voting machines defaulting to Obama when votes were placed for Romney. Should I go on?
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By Benjamin Gaul:
The following list was originally compiled by The American Dream, and chronicles just the election shenanigans from November 6th, which were actually reported. We may never know the full extent of the Chicago Thug-style election fraud engaged in nationwide, by the Democrat Party.
All we know is that Obama won the Presidential election by a narrow margin, with all of the traditional indicators of an incumbent loss working against him: High unemployment numbers, miniscule economic growth, domestic scandals like Fast & Furious and the immediate scandal of the Benghazi cover-up; no incumbent President in the history of the country has survived for a second term, under circumstances like the one which obtain for President Obama.
#1 According to the Election Protection Coalition, voters across the United States reported more than 70,000 voting problems by 5 PM Eastern time on election day.
#2 There were 59 voting divisions in the city of Philadelphia where Mitt Romney did not receive a single vote. In those voting divisions, the combined vote total was 19,605 for Barack Obama and 0 for Mitt Romney.
#3 The overall voter turnout rate in Philadelphia was only about 60 percent. But in the areas of Philadelphia where Republican poll watchers were illegally removed, the voter turnout rate was over 90% and Obama received over 99% of the vote. Officials in Philadelphia have already ruled out an investigation.
#4 According to WND, one poll watcher in Pennsylvania actually claims that he witnessed voting machine software repeatedly switch votes from Mitt Romney to Barack Obama…
It was in Upper Macungie Township, near Allentown, Pa., where an auditor, Robert Ashcroft, was dispatched by Republicans to monitor the vote on Election Day. He said the software he observed would “change the selection back to default – to Obama.”
He said that happened in about 5 percent to 10 percent of the votes.
He said the changes appeared to have been made by a software program.
Ashcroft said the format for computer programming has a default status, and in this case it appeared to be designating a vote for Obama each time it went to default.
#5 Somehow Mitt Romney won 55 out of the 67 counties in the state of Pennsylvania and still managed to lose the entire state by a wide margin because of the absurd vote totals that Obama ran up in the urban areas.
#6 Barack Obama received more than 98 percent of the vote in 10 out of the 50 wards in the city of Chicago.
#7 Prior to the election, voters in the states of Nevada, North Carolina, Texas and Ohio all reported that voting machines were switching their votes for Romney over to Obama.
#8 There were more than 50 precincts in Cuyahoga County, Ohio where Mitt Romney received 2 votes or less.
#9 There were more than 100 precincts in Cuyahoga County, Ohio where Barack Obama received more than 99 times the votes that Mitt Romney did.
#10 Barack Obama also received more than 99% of the vote in a number of very important precincts down in Broward County, Florida.
#11 Wood County, Ohio (which Obama won) has a voting age population of 98,213, but somehow 106,258 voters were registered to vote on election day.
#12 Ten counties in the swing state of Colorado have a voter registration rate of more than 100%.
#13 Barack Obama did not win in a single state that absolutely requires a photo I.D. in order to vote.
#14 In Ohio, two election judges were caught allowing unregistered voters to cast ballots.
#15 Many Ohio voters that showed up at the polls on election day were surprised when they were informed that they had already voted.
#16 In fact, there were reports all over the nation of people being unable to vote because records showed that they had already voted.
#17 According to U.S. Representative Allen West, there were numerous “voting irregularities” in St. Lucie County, Florida on election day…
“The thing that spurred our curiosity in our race was the fact that at 1 o’clock in the morning on Election Night, all of a sudden there was a 4,000-vote swing that took me from being ahead to put the lead into my opponent’s hands.”
#18 In Wisconsin, there were allegations that Obama voters were actually being bussed in from out of state…
The Democrats stationed a self described “BIG Chicago pro bono attorney” as one of their two observers at this small polling place. He remained at the polling place from 7:00 a.m. until well after 8:p.m. …..A high priced CHICAGO attorney, sitting in a Sheboygan WISCONSIN polling place, observing wards comprised of 1500 voters? …. WHY???
Why would someone from Chicago be observing in Sheboygan Wisconsin? And WHY at such a small polling place? Finally, isn’t it interesting that this would occur at the VERY polling place in which all of the above described events ALSO occurred? AGAIN WHY WOULD A CHICAGO ATTORNEY BE OBSERVING AN ELECTION POLLING PLACE WITH FEWER THAN 1500 VOTERS IN IT, IN SHEBOYGAN WISCONSIN? Of all the places where there has been suspected voting irregularities, and OUTRIGHT FRAUD throughout the ENTIRE United States, WHY HERE? WHY SHEBOYGAN? WHY THIS SMALL WARD?
This lawyer spent the day running in and out making, and taking calls, which coincidentally then coincided with influxes of groups of individuals by the van and bus loads, coming in to register, AND VOTE, using what appeared to be copied Allient energy bills. These individuals often did not have photo I.D.’s, could not remember their own addresses without looking at the paper, and became easily tripped, confused and annoyed when questioned.
Many of these same individuals, just so happened to be dressed in/wearing CHICAGO BEARS apparel, and whom openly discussed “catching busses back to Chicago” with each other, with poll workers, via their cell phones in the lobby area just outside the polling place, as well as in the parking lot, both before and AFTER registering and voting.
One woman was dressed head to toe in CHICAGO BEARS apparel including perfectly manicured BEARS fake fingernails!
She complained because registering was taking too long and she had to hurry up to catch her bus back to Chicago.
We have photos of these people in vehicles with plates from different states, photos of them leaving the polls, and other irregularities.
#19 Prior to election day, an Obama for America staffer was caught on video trying to help someone register to vote in more than one state.
#20 It is being alleged that unions in Nevada have been registering illegal immigrants and pressuring them to vote.
#21 According to townhall.com, there was a systematic effort by the Obama campaign to suppress the military vote because they knew that most military votes would go against Obama…
Aiding Obama’s win was a devious suppression of the conservative vote. The conservative-leaning military vote has decreased drastically since 2010 due to the so-called Military Voter Protection Act that was enacted into law the year before. It has made it so difficult for overseas military personnel to obtain absentee ballots that in Virginia and Ohio there has been a 70% decrease in requests for ballots since 2008. In Virginia, almost 30,000 fewer overseas military voters requested ballots than in 2008. In Ohio, more than 20,000 fewer overseas military voters requested ballots. This is significant considering Obama won in both states by a little over 100,000 votes.
#22 According to the Naval Enlisted Reserve Association, it appears that thousands of military votes from this election will never be counted at all.
Do you still believe that Obama won the election honestly?
This isn’t just about one election. If a political party can engage in this level of patently obvious fraud, and the nation’s Major Media is satisfied to turn a blind eye while the opposing Party is too cowed to mount a challenge, that spells disaster for at least the next 2 generations.
[Watch the video] Obama voters who hate Obama’s actual policies.
MANY of the people who honestly voted for Obama (who weren’t dead, illegal aliens or engaging in massive voter fraud, that is) only voted for him because they have such a tenuous grasp of the facts. They succumbed to a cleverly crafted marketing campaign, designed specifically to keep them enthusiastic, if sadly uninformed.
As long as such a large chunk of the population is happy to go through life in a media-created fog of ignorance, we will continue to be dictated to by leaders who are far more than happy to game the system.
http://guardianlv.com/2012/11/obamas-election-victory-22-things-obama-doesnt-want-you-to-know/
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I'm sure if we looked at past elections... That would not necessarily be anything different.
Do you have the numbers for Obama's win back in 2008?
Were they not similar in these locations?
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By Benjamin Gaul:
The following list was originally compiled by The American Dream, and chronicles just the election shenanigans from November 6th, which were actually reported. We may never know the full extent of the Chicago Thug-style election fraud engaged in nationwide, by the Democrat Party.
All we know is that Obama won the Presidential election by a narrow margin, with all of the traditional indicators of an incumbent loss working against him: High unemployment numbers, miniscule economic growth, domestic scandals like Fast & Furious and the immediate scandal of the Benghazi cover-up; no incumbent President in the history of the country has survived for a second term, under circumstances like the one which obtain for President Obama.
#1 According to the Election Protection Coalition, voters across the United States reported more than 70,000 voting problems by 5 PM Eastern time on election day.
#2 There were 59 voting divisions in the city of Philadelphia where Mitt Romney did not receive a single vote. In those voting divisions, the combined vote total was 19,605 for Barack Obama and 0 for Mitt Romney.
#3 The overall voter turnout rate in Philadelphia was only about 60 percent. But in the areas of Philadelphia where Republican poll watchers were illegally removed, the voter turnout rate was over 90% and Obama received over 99% of the vote. Officials in Philadelphia have already ruled out an investigation.
#4 According to WND, one poll watcher in Pennsylvania actually claims that he witnessed voting machine software repeatedly switch votes from Mitt Romney to Barack Obama…
It was in Upper Macungie Township, near Allentown, Pa., where an auditor, Robert Ashcroft, was dispatched by Republicans to monitor the vote on Election Day. He said the software he observed would “change the selection back to default – to Obama.”
He said that happened in about 5 percent to 10 percent of the votes.
He said the changes appeared to have been made by a software program.
Ashcroft said the format for computer programming has a default status, and in this case it appeared to be designating a vote for Obama each time it went to default.
#5 Somehow Mitt Romney won 55 out of the 67 counties in the state of Pennsylvania and still managed to lose the entire state by a wide margin because of the absurd vote totals that Obama ran up in the urban areas.
#6 Barack Obama received more than 98 percent of the vote in 10 out of the 50 wards in the city of Chicago.
#7 Prior to the election, voters in the states of Nevada, North Carolina, Texas and Ohio all reported that voting machines were switching their votes for Romney over to Obama.
#8 There were more than 50 precincts in Cuyahoga County, Ohio where Mitt Romney received 2 votes or less.
#9 There were more than 100 precincts in Cuyahoga County, Ohio where Barack Obama received more than 99 times the votes that Mitt Romney did.
#10 Barack Obama also received more than 99% of the vote in a number of very important precincts down in Broward County, Florida.
#11 Wood County, Ohio (which Obama won) has a voting age population of 98,213, but somehow 106,258 voters were registered to vote on election day.
#12 Ten counties in the swing state of Colorado have a voter registration rate of more than 100%.
#13 Barack Obama did not win in a single state that absolutely requires a photo I.D. in order to vote.
#14 In Ohio, two election judges were caught allowing unregistered voters to cast ballots.
#15 Many Ohio voters that showed up at the polls on election day were surprised when they were informed that they had already voted.
#16 In fact, there were reports all over the nation of people being unable to vote because records showed that they had already voted.
#17 According to U.S. Representative Allen West, there were numerous “voting irregularities” in St. Lucie County, Florida on election day…
“The thing that spurred our curiosity in our race was the fact that at 1 o’clock in the morning on Election Night, all of a sudden there was a 4,000-vote swing that took me from being ahead to put the lead into my opponent’s hands.”
#18 In Wisconsin, there were allegations that Obama voters were actually being bussed in from out of state…
The Democrats stationed a self described “BIG Chicago pro bono attorney” as one of their two observers at this small polling place. He remained at the polling place from 7:00 a.m. until well after 8:p.m. …..A high priced CHICAGO attorney, sitting in a Sheboygan WISCONSIN polling place, observing wards comprised of 1500 voters? …. WHY???
Why would someone from Chicago be observing in Sheboygan Wisconsin? And WHY at such a small polling place? Finally, isn’t it interesting that this would occur at the VERY polling place in which all of the above described events ALSO occurred? AGAIN WHY WOULD A CHICAGO ATTORNEY BE OBSERVING AN ELECTION POLLING PLACE WITH FEWER THAN 1500 VOTERS IN IT, IN SHEBOYGAN WISCONSIN? Of all the places where there has been suspected voting irregularities, and OUTRIGHT FRAUD throughout the ENTIRE United States, WHY HERE? WHY SHEBOYGAN? WHY THIS SMALL WARD?
This lawyer spent the day running in and out making, and taking calls, which coincidentally then coincided with influxes of groups of individuals by the van and bus loads, coming in to register, AND VOTE, using what appeared to be copied Allient energy bills. These individuals often did not have photo I.D.’s, could not remember their own addresses without looking at the paper, and became easily tripped, confused and annoyed when questioned.
Many of these same individuals, just so happened to be dressed in/wearing CHICAGO BEARS apparel, and whom openly discussed “catching busses back to Chicago” with each other, with poll workers, via their cell phones in the lobby area just outside the polling place, as well as in the parking lot, both before and AFTER registering and voting.
One woman was dressed head to toe in CHICAGO BEARS apparel including perfectly manicured BEARS fake fingernails!
She complained because registering was taking too long and she had to hurry up to catch her bus back to Chicago.
We have photos of these people in vehicles with plates from different states, photos of them leaving the polls, and other irregularities.
#19 Prior to election day, an Obama for America staffer was caught on video trying to help someone register to vote in more than one state.
#20 It is being alleged that unions in Nevada have been registering illegal immigrants and pressuring them to vote.
#21 According to townhall.com, there was a systematic effort by the Obama campaign to suppress the military vote because they knew that most military votes would go against Obama…
Aiding Obama’s win was a devious suppression of the conservative vote. The conservative-leaning military vote has decreased drastically since 2010 due to the so-called Military Voter Protection Act that was enacted into law the year before. It has made it so difficult for overseas military personnel to obtain absentee ballots that in Virginia and Ohio there has been a 70% decrease in requests for ballots since 2008. In Virginia, almost 30,000 fewer overseas military voters requested ballots than in 2008. In Ohio, more than 20,000 fewer overseas military voters requested ballots. This is significant considering Obama won in both states by a little over 100,000 votes.
#22 According to the Naval Enlisted Reserve Association, it appears that thousands of military votes from this election will never be counted at all.
Do you still believe that Obama won the election honestly?
This isn’t just about one election. If a political party can engage in this level of patently obvious fraud, and the nation’s Major Media is satisfied to turn a blind eye while the opposing Party is too cowed to mount a challenge, that spells disaster for at least the next 2 generations.
[Watch the video] Obama voters who hate Obama’s actual policies.
MANY of the people who honestly voted for Obama (who weren’t dead, illegal aliens or engaging in massive voter fraud, that is) only voted for him because they have such a tenuous grasp of the facts. They succumbed to a cleverly crafted marketing campaign, designed specifically to keep them enthusiastic, if sadly uninformed.
As long as such a large chunk of the population is happy to go through life in a media-created fog of ignorance, we will continue to be dictated to by leaders who are far more than happy to game the system.
http://guardianlv.com/2012/11/obamas-election-victory-22-things-obama-doesnt-want-you-to-know/
can you give us a documented voter fraud,or is all you have going on is hearsay
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I'm sure if we looked at past elections... That would not necessarily be anything different.
Do you have the numbers for Obama's win back in 2008?
Were they not similar in these locations?
I'm telling you. This is no normal election and Obama is no normal President. There are too many unanswered questions about Obama and his backers. Nevermind his VP and the rest of his cabinet, we already know they're fucked up but everything about Obama is shady.
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can you give us a documented voter fraud,or is all you have going on is hearsay
Thats a ridiculous question. Just look at the provided links within the article.
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I'm telling you. This is no normal election and Obama is no normal President. There are too many unanswered questions about Obama and his backers. Nevermind his VP and the rest of his cabinet, we already know they're fucked up but everything about Obama is shady.
I dunno man... I think your anger has caused you to see some things that aren't there.
Don't get me wrong... I do NOT like Obama... I did NOT like Romney... I do not trust either of them, but to just say it's not the legit president of the united states seems a bit much for me.
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Thats a ridiculous question. Just look at the provided links within the article.
that article is just a dumb right propaganda tool to get the far right idiots fired up,and it's working :D
can you give us a documented voter fraud,or is all you have going on is hearsay
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I dunno man... I think your anger has caused you to see some things that aren't there.
Don't get me wrong... I do NOT like Obama... I did NOT like Romney... I do not trust either of them, but to just say it's not the legit president of the united states seems a bit much for me.
I said in a previous post earlier on the G&O that I'm not angry anymore and after thinking about it, everything that has and will happen falls now COMPLETELY in the left and I'm just going to sit back, laugh and sure as hell gloat (i realize I shouldn't but..) and say "I told you so". In the last two weeks since his reelection, things have deteriorated even faster than the norm..why? Because he got his way.
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that article is just a dumb right propaganda tool to get the far right idiots fired up,and it's working :D
can you give us a documented voter fraud,or is all you have going on is hearsay
You don't think those 70,000 (for example) haven't been documented. How about you provide "documented" proof that didn't happen.
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For starts, Ohio. Obama got 99 and 100% of the votes out of over 150 precincts.
Do you have a list of these 150 precincts? And what were there 2008 numbers?
If this is the case, it's obviously voter fraud - and I have to ask - why in the world is Romney, FOX, Rush, Hannity, and Rove all silent on this?
This should be the story of the decade - why is the RIGHT WING MEDIA keeping quiet on it?
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I said in a previous post earlier on the G&O that I'm not angry anymore and after thinking about it, everything that has and will happen falls now COMPLETELY in the left and I'm just going to sit back, laugh and sure as hell gloat (i realize I shouldn't but..) and say "I told you so". In the last two weeks since his reelection, things have deteriorated even faster than the norm..why? Because he got his way.
Things have deteriorated ever faster the last 2 weeks? Wtf
Is that you 33....?
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Yeah, whatever you say ::) This is coming from the sheeple who still can't answer why you voted for him. What was it? The economy? Foreign policy? Jobs? Free shit? Bush's fault and you think he can fix it? Tell me.
I voted for him because I preferred his policies and leadership skills over a couple of con men
I'm sure I've said that at least a few times on this board
If it soothes your shattered psyche to make up excuses as to why your side got stomped then so be it
whatever it takes to get you through the day
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Things have deteriorated ever faster the last 2 weeks? Wtf
Is that you 33....?
Yes, the day after he "won" reelection companies started laying off employees expecting the worst and restructuring. My guess is any expansion from a business will be put on hold. Still no answers about Bengazhi, UE will go up (unless they fudge the numbers) GM (the automaker he supposedly bailed out) is going bankrupt...again and Unions are out of control with their asinine strikes and lame demands. Yes, this falls on him.
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Things have deteriorated ever faster the last 2 weeks? Wtf
Is that you 33....?
Deleted One is Coach
another guy who I think said he was going to leave but couldn't bring himself to do so
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I voted for him because I preferred his policies and leadership skills over a couple of con men
I'm sure I've said that at least a few times on this board
If it soothes your shattered psyche to make up excuses as to why your side got stomped then so be it
whatever it takes to get you through the day
How's that working? Good? What is your definition of "leadership skills" and his policies are destroying this country. That's a not a reason, it's left-wing propaganda. What policies have worked? Has cut the deficit in half like he said? Has UE gone down, like he said? Are taxes lower, like he said? He said the middleclass tax won't be affected....THEY WILL GET HAMMERED!
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I voted for him because I preferred his policies and leadership skills over a couple of con men
I'm sure I've said that at least a few times on this board
If it soothes your shattered psyche to make up excuses as to why your side got stomped then so be it
whatever it takes to get you through the day
right you voted for the "good guys". not the "con men".
bottom line is this. Obama didn't win because of any economic or foreign policy. he won because of of gay marriage and abortion. if the republicans had pulled their heads out of their ass and supported gay marriage and a woman's right to abort Obama would have gotten slaughtered.....SLAUGHTE RED.
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Deleted One is Coach
another guy who I think said he was going to leave but couldn't bring himself to do so
Truth be told, Ron wouldn't delete it. When I asked him to delete the account, he flat out said NO. The name change was his idea. I liked it.
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Truth be told, Ron wouldn't delete it. When I asked him to delete the account, he flat out said NO. The name change was his idea. I liked it.
Ron refusing to delete your account is not the point and totally irrelevant. For some reason you've convinced yourself its a valid excuse but it isn't. You're still a grown man who can prevent himself from posting. Stop hiding behind Ron and be a damn man and do what you said you would. Men who don't hold to their word disgust me.
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How's that working? Good? What is your definition of "leadership skills" and his policies are destroying this country. That's a not a reason, it's left-wing propaganda. What policies have worked? Has cut the deficit in half like he said? Has UE gone down, like he said? Are taxes lower, like he said? He said the middleclass tax won't be affected....THEY WILL GET HAMMERED!
And if only the country had elected a republican we would now life in a fantasy land where all those things would be perfect, right?
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Deleted One is Coach
another guy who I think said he was going to leave but couldn't bring himself to do so
Ahh got it.
Are you sure 33.... and Coach isnt the same person as well?
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right you voted for the "good guys". not the "con men".
bottom line is this. Obama didn't win because of any economic or foreign policy. he won because of of gay marriage and abortion. if the republicans had pulled their heads out of their ass and supported gay marriage and a woman's right to abort Obama would have gotten slaughtered.....SLAUGHTE RED.
So all the GOP had to do was abandon their beliefs?
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And if only the country had elected a republican we would now life in a fantasy land where all those things would be perfect, right?
No such thing as perfect. But not killing.business is a. Start.
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No such thing as perfect. But not killing.business is a. Start.
Obama isnt killing businesses thats just plain false.
But please post a credible source.
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Obama isnt killing businesses thats just plain false.
But please post a credible source.
http://www.newsmax.com/StreetTalk/Rubin-Obama-Kill-Business/2012/08/01/id/447196
Also...
Today is Small Business Saturday, a new holiday supported by little firms such as American Express, Google, Verizon, Dun and Bradstreet, Occupy Wall Street and –[gush, breathless] Barack Hussein Obama!
Just by the sponsors alone you can tell this is a program designed to create millions of small business jobs in places like India, China, Thailand and Mexico.
Remember, there’s no U-S-A in small business. Ok, maybe there are the letters U-S-A in small business, but why let the facts get in the way of another of Obama's Potemkin jobs moments.
In the Orwellian world of Obama-speak, Small Business Saturday is a day when we should “reaffirm our support for America’s small business owners and their staff, and …celebrate the proud tradition of entrepreneurship they represent.”
Reaffirm and Celebrate. Gotcha. Words that will make the eyes of any small business owner red with gratitude when Obama sends them their very own personal Small Business Saturday greeting card made by Hallmark’s greeting card division instead of Hallmark’s retail store or broadcasting division.
Because what celebration of small business would be complete by the Obama administration without reaffirming the mounds of red-tape that Obama and his confederates have saddled small business with?
“Overall, the Obama Administration imposed 75 new major regulations from January 2009 to mid-FY 2011, with annual costs of $38 billion,” reports Heritage.
In contrast, there were only six deregulatory actions by the Obama administration saving $1.5 billion says the Heritage report.
And those costs were just the cost by the government to implement the regulations, not the overall cost to industry- that is; not the costs to you and I.
In terms of the overall impact on the economic health of the country, the figure is much higher.
“More specifically, the total cost of federal regulations has increased to $1.75 trillion,” writes the federal government’s own Small Business Administration.
Heritage reports that that’s nearly twice the amount that the government collects annually in individual income taxes. Ouch!
The costs are a hidden tax, not just on the rich, says Heritage, but on everyone equally.
But because regulations prevent the creation of new jobs, it hits the poor and middle class particularly hard, “while the updated cost per employee for firms with fewer than 20 employees is now $10,585 (a 36 percent difference between the costs incurred by small firms when compared with their larger counterparts),” says the SBA.
In other words, small employers take it on the chin at the rate of $3,810.60 per employee more than the big guys do.
No wonder the big corporate sponsors of Small Business Saturday wanted to invite Obama in on the deal.
Because while Obama’s rhetoric panders to the little guys, his actions seem geared to favor the big guys instead.
Maybe that’s what the president meant in his State of the Union message when he said his administration was only into doing “big” things: Big Labor, Big Business and Big Graft. There’s just so little opportunity to monetize political power with little people involved in small business- and monetization of political power is the first priority of Obama’s political machine.
It’s not hard to figure why the Obama administration is creating jobs at a post-war low. Jobs aren’t the goal. Fundraising is. That’s why dog and pony shows like Small Business Saturday loom so large for Obama and his corporate pals.
They serve as a reminder that Obama “cares” about little guys [cough, hack], while giving him an opportunity to put the squeeze on the Big Guys.
If Reagan was the Great Communicator, Obama is the Great Fabricator.
For Obama, every day is just another episode of the Beltway Unreality show, where acting is much more important than actually doing something; where pop-culture trumps substance.
But something’s different this election cycle.
The Chambers of Commerce, the Aspen Institute, American Express and the International Monetary Fund don’t own the media anymore.
You do- via the internet. While some may still be deceived, the rest of us are on to the scam.
And through you, Obama’s going to find out that reaffirming and celebrating small business one day a year, doesn’t make up for the 364 days a year that he screws them.
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I’ve recently had a chance to read The Fourth Protocol by Frederick Forsyth. Originally published in 1985, the book wears remarkably well. Of special interest are the long letters that Kim Philby writes to his Soviet master about how to take down a western democracy.
The letters are as relevant today as ever. Reading the Manifesto of the British Revolution will put a chill down your spine. The letters start at page 63 and 64 but I would suggest reading the whole book.
PS- If you friend me on Facebook you get sneak peeks of columns!
PS Part 2- The email function at the top of the page working again. Sorry it took so long. Let the Hate Mail begin!
http://finance.townhall.com/columnists/johnransom/2011/11/26/obama_reaffirms,_celebrates_killing_small_business/page/full/
Also, Obamacare + increased taxes = laying off workers = no production = no business = Going out of business
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Ron refusing to delete your account is not the point and totally irrelevant. For some reason you've convinced yourself its a valid excuse but it isn't. You're still a grown man who can prevent himself from posting. Stop hiding behind Ron and be a damn man and do what you said you would. Men who don't hold to their word disgust me.
So then you'd have to be disgusted by Obama and his cohorts as well as the entire left-wing party, right?
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http://www.newsmax.com/StreetTalk/Rubin-Obama-Kill-Business/2012/08/01/id/447196
He said credible. This is newsmax and they are far from credible. Shove off!
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You don't think those 70,000 (for example) haven't been documented. How about you provide "documented" proof that didn't happen.
you posted the bullshit article,it;s your job to back it up,it's not my job to prove the article is shit >:(
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He said credible. This is newsmax and they are far from credible. Shove off!
I thought this article on the G&O nailed it
http://factsnotfantasy.blogspot.com.au/2012/10/liar-in-chief.html
BTW, in every aspect of my real life (not here) I conduct myself with honesty...Obama cannot say that in anyway, shape or form. You, sir have a "you" problem.
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So then you'd have to be disgusted by Obama and his cohorts as well as the entire left-wing party, right?
Stop trying to change the subject. You broke your word . You even admitted after the fact that you never intended to keep your word in the first place which makes you a liar as well. Then you try to blame Ron for the fact that you refuse to leave. You have no integrity or honor.
BTW, in every aspect of my real life (not here) I conduct myself with honesty...Obama cannot say that in anyway, shape or form. You, sir have a "you" problem.
Another one of your lies. See above.
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you posted the bullshit article,it;s your job to back it up,it's not my job to prove the article is shit >:(
Show me where that article is wrong or misleading?
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Stop trying to change the subject. You broke your word . You even admitted after the fact that you never intended to keep your word in the first place which makes you a liar as well. Then you try to blame Ron for the fact that you refuse to leave. You have no integrity or honor.
Whatever you say chief. I make myself known and don't hide. My picture, Name and contact info are all readily available. How about you? I don't nor have I ever came on here as a gimmick.
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Whatever you say chief. I make myself known and don't hide. My picture, Name and contact info are all readily available. How about you? I don't nor have I ever came on here as a gimmick.
Irrelevant and even you, with you limited brain capacity know this is true. It actually makes it worse because now we have a face to go with the dishonesty and lack of integrity. Yeah, you don't hide alright. You are pretty brazen about your dishonesty and seem to even be proud of yourself.
You made a post saying that you are a man of your word and would leave but you didn't. Be a man, either admit that you are a liar and do not honor your word and stay or honor your word and leave.
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Show me where that article is wrong or misleading?
article is just a bunch of hearsay shit,just because it's on the internet doesn't make it true :D :D :D :D
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Irrelevant and even you, with you limited brain capacity know this is true. It actually makes it worse because now we have a face to go with the dishonesty and lack of integrity. Yeah, you don't hide alright. You are pretty honest about your dishonesty and seem to even be proud of yourself.
You made a post saying that you are a man of your word and would leave but you didn't.
When have I hidden?
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When have I hidden?
What the fuck are you talking about. I never said you hid, that was my point, you don't hide. I said you are pretty open about your dishonesty and lack of integrity. The only reason people let you get away with it is because they expect nothing less from you.
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Irrelevant and even you, with you limited brain capacity know this is true. It actually makes it worse because now we have a face to go with the dishonesty and lack of integrity. Yeah, you don't hide alright. You are pretty brazen about your dishonesty and seem to even be proud of yourself.
You made a post saying that you are a man of your word and would leave but you didn't. Be a man, either admit that you are a liar and do not honor your word and stay or honor your word and leave.
This wasn't sarcasm?
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This wasn't sarcasm?
No, it wasn't. See, you breaking your word and being dishonest wouldn't be so bad if you didn't go around talking shit about how everybody else was dishonest. YOu want the word to be a certain way, you first have to be that yourself.
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Hey Deleted One - how many names have you had on this board now?
Coach, Joe Loco, Mr. Intensone.....any others?
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And, you seem to think that the GOP going Dem-lite is actually going to help them, abandoning their base (without which they stand no chance of winning). That's rather stupid.
Dems didn't abandon their message when they lost 8 years ago. In fact, they did precisely what you just said: They put a brown face on their same stupid message. They won, because many of those brown faces thought that guy would make their lives better.
Instead, it's been worse. Yet, they voted for him again, thinking "Oh, he just needs more time!". What's going to be the excuse, when Obama fails to create jobs and lower unemployment again?
McWay, this post sounds like a post from a racist white person.
What the hell is wrong with you?
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McWay, this post sounds like a post from a racist white person.
What the hell is wrong with you?
Lol Mcway suffers from Michael Jackson syndrome
He wishes he was white and pretends to be
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Lol Mcway suffers from Michael Jackson syndrome
He wishes he was white and pretends to be
What? Mcway isn't white?
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That's it. Blaming radio hosts and sucking up to the Dems is really going to get the GOP back in the winners' circle. ::)
Go ahead. See how far that gets you.
Hannity and Limbaugh were defending Romney, when goofs like this guy bailed on him after all this 47% crap.
not sucking up to dems, look at what they say it's lunatic fringe non-sense. Limbaugh, hannity are why you got stomped because you went so far right people couldn't relate. When rape comments are rampant throughout the party you need to clean up a bit. Rape is a debatable topic, it's vile and even prisoners the scum of earth know it.
However, the GOP go on about legitamate rape etc and just show how looney they are. Limbaugh represents this and he should, his goal is simply ratings.
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Lol Mcway suffers from Michael Jackson syndrome
He wishes he was white and pretends to be
Not even close.
You see, unlike some of your buddies, I realize LOOOONG ago that being black and being a Democrat are hardly synonymous with one another.
Black, conservative, and loving life for the most part (the last two weeks, notwithstanding).
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not sucking up to dems, look at what they say it's lunatic fringe non-sense. Limbaugh, hannity are why you got stomped because you went so far right people couldn't relate. When rape comments are rampant throughout the party you need to clean up a bit. Rape is a debatable topic, it's vile and even prisoners the scum of earth know it.
However, the GOP go on about legitamate rape etc and just show how looney they are. Limbaugh represents this and he should, his goal is simply ratings.
You really want to stereotype folks, based on the words and actions of certain crackpots, Necrosis? Because, I can go all day with all the buffoons on the left that you seem to conveniently ignore. Do the Dems get defined by all the stupid crap many left-winged loons say, like the knuckleheads on MSNBC? Or that goof, Alan Grayson, who managed to find another FL district and get re-elected to Congress?
The GOP didn't go on about any "legitimate rape" stuff. In fact, 333386 and I were talking to each other on this forum, listening to Sean Hannity's show, while Hannity PRACTICALLY BEGGED Todd Akin to drop out of his Senate race on the air.
But, that didn't matter. Nor did it matter that the GOP didn't give him another dime. Rove dropped him like a bad habit. And, Akin got ripped by nearly every Republican pundit on TV.
Even with all that, folks like you foolishly and FALSELY paint the entire conservative movement, based on statements like those which he and Mourdock made.
But, then you turn right around and whine, when Dems are painted by the foolishness that comes from the mouths of people like Alan Grayson, Ed Schultz, and other liberals (notorious for staying stupid stuff on a regular basis, not just the odd or occasional slip-up).
Maybe we should think all liberals are like that snaggle-toothed Obamaphone lady, or the one who claimed she'd never have to worry about paying her mortgage or buying gas. Or, maybe we should say all liberals are like the mangy neo-hippies of Occupy Wall Street.
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Thats actually what you and 33.... And Coach does Mcway.
You claim that everybody who votes non-republican are people who doesnt want to work.
But there is a distinct difference on the media Mcway. FOX, Limbaugh, Hannity etc deliberately lie to you i find it weird that you just accept them doing this.
They are pissing on you and claim its raining, you look up no clouds on the sky yet you just accept it.
You seem like a broken man to me.
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In both the 2008 and 2012 elections, Rush admitted on the air (on Nov 6 and 7 broadcasts from this year) that he was well aware of the poor voting numbers, and intentionally didn't share them on the air. He said if it was promising news, he would have shared, but that he chose to hide that news as it didn't help his agenda of ABO.
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You really want to stereotype folks, based on the words and actions of certain crackpots, Necrosis? Because, I can go all day with all the buffoons on the left that you seem to conveniently ignore. Do the Dems get defined by all the stupid crap many left-winged loons say, like the knuckleheads on MSNBC? Or that goof, Alan Grayson, who managed to find another FL district and get re-elected to Congress?
The GOP didn't go on about any "legitimate rape" stuff. In fact, 333386 and I were talking to each other on this forum, listening to Sean Hannity's show, while Hannity PRACTICALLY BEGGED Todd Akin to drop out of his Senate race on the air.
But, that didn't matter. Nor did it matter that the GOP didn't give him another dime. Rove dropped him like a bad habit. And, Akin got ripped by nearly every Republican pundit on TV.
Even with all that, folks like you foolishly and FALSELY paint the entire conservative movement, based on statements like those which he and Mourdock made.
But, then you turn right around and whine, when Dems are painted by the foolishness that comes from the mouths of people like Alan Grayson, Ed Schultz, and other liberals (notorious for staying stupid stuff on a regular basis, not just the odd or occasional slip-up).
Maybe we should think all liberals are like that snaggle-toothed Obamaphone lady, or the one who claimed she'd never have to worry about paying her mortgage or buying gas. Or, maybe we should say all liberals are like the mangy neo-hippies of Occupy Wall Street.
I certainly don't think this, there are legitamate conservatives who make a lot of sense. However, no where in the liberal media can you find a figure/figures with so much sway who are clearly extremists. This is the issue, while the left accept science, gay rights, equality the republicans as a whole seem or at least top ranking members and voices support anti-intellectualism.
Lying is now a principle in the party, just look at Romney's campaign. Never, in history has someone lied so much with full on lies, not half-truths subjected to opinion but out and out lies.
This is what limbaugh represents.
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1. Obama BARELY "won" (and I use this term loosely) and if there wasn't as much blatant fraud going on, it would have been a landslide for Romney.
There you go again with this unsupported assertion. Do you realize the extent of the fraud necessary and that hundreds (if not thousands) of elections officials from all walks of life would have to be "in on the plan" so to speak. Do you have any concrete evidence to support your claims?
2. "They are saying things that are culturally insensitive and stupid" "inflammatory"? are you kidding?? This is EXACTLY what the right (and left) need to hear. Libs make speeches and accusations that are complete lies, call people racist for saying words like "Chicago" and Rush needs to stand down?? are you fucking kidding. He tells it like is and rarely wrong. Bullshit, guys like Rush, Hannity, Levine hit hard....but I say hit even harder.
And the people on the right don't make speeches and accusations that are complete lies, and call people all sorts of things?
As for Rush being “rarely wrong”, surely that's got to be a joke. He makes statements that are wrong all the time; he just doesn't back away from them but tries to spin them. But that's not the same as being right. And as for telling it like it is, well... as he said, “Cholesterol has nothing to do with heart disease and there's nothing wrong with saturated fats.”
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I certainly don't think this, there are legitamate conservatives who make a lot of sense. However, no where in the liberal media can you find a figure/figures with so much sway who are clearly extremists. This is the issue, while the left accept science, gay rights, equality the republicans as a whole seem or at least top ranking members and voices support anti-intellectualism.
Lying is now a principle in the party, just look at Romney's campaign. Never, in history has someone lied so much with full on lies, not half-truths subjected to opinion but out and out lies.
This is what limbaugh represents.
Bill Clinton is the golden boy of the Democratic party, and you have the gall to claim lying is a principle with the Republicans? These political pundits distanced themselves from Rush, every chance they get on TV. Yet, they turn right around and blame Rush, when their beloved moderate candidate gets beat up on election day.
Accepting "science"? More like accepting bastardizing of such for political purposes. Funny how Dems don't "accept science", when it comes to using ultrasound to show, beyond doubt, that babies in the womb are just that....BABIES!!
Funny how Dems don't "accept science", when it comes to pushing embryonic stem-cell research (which has yet to cure or treat any disease or ailments). Of course, when ADULT stem cell research (which conservatives have and continue to back) is used, the left seems to forget that it was BUSH who first funded such with federal money. At last check, the score when it comes to disease treatment and cure was: Adult stem cells - 74; embryonic stem cells - 0.
Anti-intellectualism? Don't make me laugh!! Which party wants to give minority children the opportunity to go to quality schools? The GOP.
Which party wants to keep them in failing schools, leaving them at the mercy of teachers' unions and bureaucracy to get their heads out their behinds and do their jobs? The Democrat party.
Liberals dominate the education system. Yet, our schools are absolute JOKES. Coincidence? I don't think so.
As for the liberal media, you find PLENTY of folks with sway who are "extremists". They simply sugar-coat it, rather than tell it like it is.
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McWay - you seem to be bouncing between stages 1 and 2 at the moment
The 5 Stages of Grief
Denial — "I feel fine."; "This can't be happening, not to me."
Denial is usually only a temporary defense for the individual. This feeling is generally replaced with heightened awareness of possessions and individuals that will be left behind after death. Denial can be conscious or unconscious refusal to accept facts, information, or the reality of the situation. Denial is a defense mechanism and some people can become locked in this stage.
Anger — "Why me? It's not fair!"; "How can this happen to me?"; '"Who is to blame?"
Once in the second stage, the individual recognizes that denial cannot continue. Because of anger, the person is very difficult to care for due to misplaced feelings of rage and envy. Anger can manifest itself in different ways. People can be angry with themselves, or with others, and especially those who are close to them. It is important to remain detached and nonjudgmental when dealing with a person experiencing anger from grief.
Bargaining — "I'll do anything for a few more years."; "I will give my life savings if..."
The third stage involves the hope that the individual can somehow postpone or delay death. Usually, the negotiation for an extended life is made with a higher power in exchange for a reformed lifestyle. Psychologically, the individual is saying, "I understand I will die, but if I could just do something to buy more time..." People facing less serious trauma can bargain or seek to negotiate a compromise. For example "Can we still be friends?.." when facing a break-up. Bargaining rarely provides a sustainable solution, especially if it's a matter of life or death.
Depression — "I'm so sad, why bother with anything?"; "I'm going to die soon so what's the point?"; "I miss my loved one, why go on?"
During the fourth stage, the dying person begins to understand the certainty of death. Because of this, the individual may become silent, refuse visitors and spend much of the time crying and grieving. This process allows the dying person to disconnect from things of love and affection. It is not recommended to attempt to cheer up an individual who is in this stage. It is an important time for grieving that must be processed. Depression could be referred to as the dress rehearsal for the 'aftermath'. It is a kind of acceptance with emotional attachment. It's natural to feel sadness, regret, fear, and uncertainty when going through this stage. Feeling those emotions shows that the person has begun to accept the situation.
Acceptance — "It's going to be okay."; "I can't fight it, I may as well prepare for it."
In this last stage, individuals begin to come to terms with their mortality, or that of a loved one, or other tragic event. This stage varies according to the person's situation. People dying can enter this stage a long time before the people they leave behind, who must pass through their own individual stages of dealing with the grief.
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McWay - you seem to be bouncing between stages 1 and 2 at the moment
Dead wrong on both.
One, I'm not denying anything. We lost and that's that. Time to get ready for the next election. Fortunately, the Bucs have won four straight to help ease the pain. ;D
Two, the anger part left over two weeks ago (at least, as far as the election goes). If there's any anger, it's over the crazy idea that Republicans are going to win, acting like Democrats-lite, or the ridiculous notion that we're "anti-science".
Again, a four-game win streak by the Bucs reduces the anger part, even with that.
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Dead wrong on both.
One, I'm not denying anything. We lost and that's that. Time to get ready for the next election. Fortunately, the Bucs have won four straight to help ease the pain. ;D
Two, the anger part left over two weeks ago (at least, as far as the election goes). If there's any anger, it's over the crazy idea that Republicans are going to win, acting like Democrats-lite, or the ridiculous notion that we're "anti-science".
Again, a four-game win streak by the Bucs reduces the anger part, even with that.
so you're saying you're in Stage 5 now?
that's a good place to be
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so you're saying you're in Stage 5 now?
that's a good place to be
NOPE!! I'm in a completely different stage: Recovery!!
And, when Obama's policies wreak the havoc and economic destruction that I and others have long stated they would, and you and your liberals buddies act shocked that Obama has become the catastrophic failure we conservatives knew he'd be, I'll be in another stage: VINDICATION (i.e. We told you so!).
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NOPE!! I'm in a completely different stage: Recovery!!
And, when Obama's policies wreak the havoc and economic destruction that I and others have long stated they would, and you and your liberals buddies act shocked that Obama has become the catastrophic failure we conservatives knew he'd be, I'll be in another stage: VINDICATION (i.e. We told you so!).
and what will you say when the economic destruction you expect never appears
will you admit you were wrong as you admitted you were wrong about the election?
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and what will you say when the economic destruction you expect never appears
will you admit you were wrong as you admitted you were wrong about the election?
Obama was a catastrophic failure his first four years; I see no forecast about his second term, to make me think any differently.
I'd love to chat further, but there is roasted bird awaiting my consumption.......HAPPY THANKSGIVING!!!!
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Bill Clinton is the golden boy of the Democratic party, and you have the gall to claim lying is a principle with the Republicans? These political pundits distanced themselves from Rush, every chance they get on TV. Yet, they turn right around and blame Rush, when their beloved moderate candidate gets beat up on election day.
Accepting "science"? More like accepting bastardizing of such for political purposes. Funny how Dems don't "accept science", when it comes to using ultrasound to show, beyond doubt, that babies in the womb are just that....BABIES!!
"You have an odd definition of a "baby" I suppose since it appears to look like a baby in some manners the thought that it cannot live on it's own until a critical period has not dawned on you. Once you start arguing about life you begin down a slippery slope, is that load I dropped in the toilet earlier murder? or is it only when it has some semblance of shape do you object?
Funny how Dems don't "accept science", when it comes to pushing embryonic stem-cell research (which has yet to cure or treat any disease or ailments). Of course, when ADULT stem cell research (which conservatives have and continue to back) is used, the left seems to forget that it was BUSH who first funded such with federal money. At last check, the score when it comes to disease treatment and cure was: Adult stem cells - 74; embryonic stem cells - 0.
See now you have shown your object ignorance. ESC can do anything ASC can and more. they are pluripotent unlike ASC, so they can do everything and more. The more is the exciting part, the potential for things like cystic fibrosis for example very very intriguing. Here in lies your anti-intellectualism based off of your personal beliefs.
Anti-intellectualism? Don't make me laugh!! Which party wants to give minority children the opportunity to go to quality schools? The GOP.
Oh you mean the same GOP who denies evolution? the same GOP who continually buck global warming? the group who has pushed for creationism to be taught in schools? the problem here is that you claim to have the answers to all the questions, god did it, therefore intellectual investigation and evidence to the contrary are met with hostility.
Which party wants to keep them in failing schools, leaving them at the mercy of teachers' unions and bureaucracy to get their heads out their behinds and do their jobs? The Democrat party.
Liberals dominate the education system. Yet, our schools are absolute JOKES. Coincidence? I don't think so.
This is just not true. what form of school?
As for the liberal media, you find PLENTY of folks with sway who are "extremists". They simply sugar-coat it, rather than tell it like it is.
pull up your pants I'm done
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Mmm, liberals do run the schools. From elementary through high school and most colleges. The PS systems laws and rules are written by the ACLU. They have attempted to re-write history as they see it, not how it is and was.
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i dont understand how the majority of americans (self described conservatives) manage to let a SMALLER number of liberals run the schools, media, and white house.
they need to start showing up to vote - had the far-right base showed up on election day, president-elect mitt could be preparing to start changing things.
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If it were true that Romney almost won this election, and without so called "fraud" he supposedly would have won it, then why are the Republicans casting him aside like he's yesterday's news?
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If it were true that Romney almost won this election, and without so called "fraud" he supposedly would have won it, then why the the Republicans casting him aside like he's yesterday's news?
agreed. if it was fraud, it's all we would be hearing about from FOX and the repubs, and trump too.
They screamed about his birth certificate for years - and they're mute on a stolen election? WTF
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Since I'm watching the Cowboys-Redskins game, I'll make this brief.
Adult stem cells are pluripotent. But, don't take my word for it:
Whoever Would Cure, Must Use Adult Stem Cells
It has been known for about 30 years that stem cells are present in the tissue of the adult, but it was assumed that they could only form cells of a particular tissue. That is, reprogramming them was considered impossible. In recent years, however, pluripotent stem cells were discovered in various human tissues–in the spinal cord, in the brain, in the mesenchyme (connective tissue) of various organs, and in the blood of the umbilical cord. These pluripotent stem cells are capable of forming several cell types–principally blood, muscle, and nerve cells. It has been possible to recognize, select, and develop them to the point that they form mature cell types with the help of growth factors and regulating proteins.
This shows that in tissues of the body, adult stem cells possess a much greater potential for differentiation than previously assumed. This knowledge must be brought into the public consciousness with all possible emphasis. If stem cell research were really only meant for therapeutic uses, which it most obviously should be, adult stem cells would promise a very productive research field–and beyond that, a possibility, without moral objection, to discover fundamentals of the dynamics of tissue differentiation.
http://www.21stcenturysciencetech.com/articles/winter01/stem_cell.html
And,
http://www.stemcellresearch.org/facts/ASCRPlasticity.pdf
So, there goes that inaccurate quip of yours. Name one disease cured or treated by ESCs again.
Potential, as the saying goes, doesn't pay the rent or buy the groceries. Adult stem cells are curing and treating diseases NOW and will do so in the future. And since they're pluripotent, they can ACTUALLY do what ESCs are claimed to be able to do, minus any ethical issues.[/i]
And lest you forget, it was Bush who authorized federal funding for ASCs.
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Since I'm watching the Cowboys-Redskins game, I'll make this brief.
Adult stem cells are pluripotent. But, don't take my word for it:
Whoever Would Cure, Must Use Adult Stem Cells
It has been known for about 30 years that stem cells are present in the tissue of the adult, but it was assumed that they could only form cells of a particular tissue. That is, reprogramming them was considered impossible. In recent years, however, pluripotent stem cells were discovered in various human tissues–in the spinal cord, in the brain, in the mesenchyme (connective tissue) of various organs, and in the blood of the umbilical cord. These pluripotent stem cells are capable of forming several cell types–principally blood, muscle, and nerve cells. It has been possible to recognize, select, and develop them to the point that they form mature cell types with the help of growth factors and regulating proteins.
This shows that in tissues of the body, adult stem cells possess a much greater potential for differentiation than previously assumed. This knowledge must be brought into the public consciousness with all possible emphasis. If stem cell research were really only meant for therapeutic uses, which it most obviously should be, adult stem cells would promise a very productive research field–and beyond that, a possibility, without moral objection, to discover fundamentals of the dynamics of tissue differentiation.
http://www.21stcenturysciencetech.com/articles/winter01/stem_cell.html
And,
http://www.stemcellresearch.org/facts/ASCRPlasticity.pdf
So, there goes that inaccurate quip of yours. Name one disease cured or treated by ESCs again.
Potential, as the saying goes, doesn't pay the rent or buy the groceries. Adult stem cells are curing and treating diseases NOW and will do so in the future. And since they're pluripotent, they can ACTUALLY do what ESCs are claimed to be able to do, minus any ethical issues.[/i]
And lest you forget, it was Bush who authorized federal funding for ASCs.
Adult stem cell pluripotency is not a fact, it relates to plasticity of stem cells, and is derived from particular tissues as you elucidated. However, they are genetically modified and the research is all in vitro it appears.
name the fact that culturing adult stem cells is difficult, then you have to genetically induce embryonic like pluripotency when ESC have all these properties and more makes little sense, save for using embryo's.
I am not against either, there are some unique advantages to each that have yet to play out. Immune rejection is a key for me, adult stem cells if used from the host have low rates of rejection, however, it is time consuming and very costly, while ESC may or may not have this issue, a study is underway.
I see no reason to stop either, ESC are clearly more versatile, that's clear. You post some non-sense without understanding the issue, that's clear, you have to genetically induce pluripotency in adult stem cells, they are difficult to culture and ESC's offer solutions to this, plus if they can avoid rejection it is a clear choice. Plus pluripotency for ASC's has only been shown in an assortment of tissues, it is not 100% clear what the limit of this is.
My quip is not incorrect, science as always keeps learning and improving, adult stem cells are not pluripotent unless intervention is initiated, even then it's not a slam dunk like you make it sound.
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Since I'm watching the Cowboys-Redskins game, I'll make this brief.
Adult stem cells are pluripotent. But, don't take my word for it:
Whoever Would Cure, Must Use Adult Stem Cells
It has been known for about 30 years that stem cells are present in the tissue of the adult, but it was assumed that they could only form cells of a particular tissue. That is, reprogramming them was considered impossible. In recent years, however, pluripotent stem cells were discovered in various human tissues–in the spinal cord, in the brain, in the mesenchyme (connective tissue) of various organs, and in the blood of the umbilical cord. These pluripotent stem cells are capable of forming several cell types–principally blood, muscle, and nerve cells. It has been possible to recognize, select, and develop them to the point that they form mature cell types with the help of growth factors and regulating proteins.
This shows that in tissues of the body, adult stem cells possess a much greater potential for differentiation than previously assumed. This knowledge must be brought into the public consciousness with all possible emphasis. If stem cell research were really only meant for therapeutic uses, which it most obviously should be, adult stem cells would promise a very productive research field–and beyond that, a possibility, without moral objection, to discover fundamentals of the dynamics of tissue differentiation.
http://www.21stcenturysciencetech.com/articles/winter01/stem_cell.html
And,
http://www.stemcellresearch.org/facts/ASCRPlasticity.pdf
So, there goes that inaccurate quip of yours. Name one disease cured or treated by ESCs again.
Potential, as the saying goes, doesn't pay the rent or buy the groceries. Adult stem cells are curing and treating diseases NOW and will do so in the future. And since they're pluripotent, they can ACTUALLY do what ESCs are claimed to be able to do, minus any ethical issues.[/i]
And lest you forget, it was Bush who authorized federal funding for ASCs.
also MCWAY, are their any issues with IPSC's? is so what are they?