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This is not like the history channel, these days they're all about debunking everything so this comes as a huge shock!!!
History Channel Admits Anthrax Attacks an Inside Job
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So, whats your implication?
Are you telling me that Bush or his people did this on purpose?
Like they are behind the trade center attack as many Liberal Nut cases imply or assert? ::)
Get mental help, there are medications today and other therapies that can give you back your lives.
No, you cant really ever expect much from yourselves, but some improvment in your condition is possible.
Perhaps Neuro could learn to dabble in the markets after (if) he/she/it gets well.
PM me, I'll help you out.
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So, whats your implication?
Are you telling me that Bush or his people did this on purpose?
Like they are behind the trade center attack as many Liberal Nut cases imply or assert? ::)
Get mental help, there are medications today and other therapies that can give you back your lives.
No, you cant really ever expect much from yourselves, but some improvment in your condition is possible.
Perhaps Neuro could learn to dabble in the markets after (if) he/she/it gets well.
PM me, I'll help you out.
who the hell you talking to? The History Channel ::) They can't hear you silly boy ;D
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So waht is your implication here?
Who are these "insiders"?
Help me, I dont understand the liberal brain disease.
BTW John McCain is your next pres, Like it or not. ;)
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So waht is your implication here?
Who are these "insiders"?
Help me, I dont understand the liberal brain disease.
BTW John McCain is your next pres, Like it or not. ;)
BTW, you're stupid as fuck :) My implication was to post a youtube video of statements made on the History Channel ::) Learn to read and click play moron.
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I did listen to it...
And, BTY I dont think you are a total moron.
Im just wondering what your driving at w/ the video? Seriously.
You thing the US govt spread anthrax?
I wouldnt doubt sum nut did, or someone w/ a agenda in the govt did.
But not from High Level like the white house or DOD.
Our govt has lots of corruption and flaws, but not that bad.
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trab spews hate with EVERY post. apparently, he's both angry at life and mentally deranged.
Guy, you are a fraud. Plain and simple.
Shame on your leading pups astray with false hope that you can guide them to financial safety or
market maneuvers...
The fact you say your short the market from 14 and continually disseminate fear says it all.
The market is SO missunderstood that credibility is basicly invisible.
Your just into fantasy liberal conspirisy theories.
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Guy, you are a fraud. Plain and simple.
Shame on your leading pups astray with false hope that you can guide them to financial safety or
market maneuvers...
The fact you say your short the market from 14 and continually disseminate fear says it all.
The market is SO missunderstood that credibility is basicly invisible.
Your just into fantasy liberal conspirisy theories.
Trab, why wasn't there an immediate investigation of 9/11 after the event? Why did it take nearly two years? At the behest and nagging of a bunch of widows?
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I did listen to it...
And, BTY I dont think you are a total moron.
Im just wondering what your driving at w/ the video? Seriously.
You thing the US govt spread anthrax?
I wouldnt doubt sum nut did, or someone w/ a agenda in the govt did.
But not from High Level like the white house or DOD.
Our govt has lots of corruption and flaws, but not that bad.
That's just something you make up your own mind about. As information comes out on any subject, it's up to you to decide on it. high up members of the government has proven to be that corrupt in the past so it's foolish to do an automatic "they wouldn't" because they have. I don't think anybody would ever suggest the government as a whole sat down to plot something like this. Could a rogue element do that? oh hell ya. Could several hardliners in the government do that, sure the joint chiefs were all that corrupt during the Kennedy admin as was shown with their ideas declassified for the pretext planned to invade Cuba. Have there been rogue elements in government, in the CIA before? sure there have been. Who do they work for, what's their goal, all answers I can't bring. The only thing you can do is ignore the info and call people stupid for bringing it up or research it and make an educated guess at what you believe.
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Trab, why wasn't there an immediate investigation of 9/11 after the event? Why did it take nearly two years? At the behest and nagging of a bunch of widows?
Wow, thats like asking for an investigation if Brittany is sane....
Some things are just a waste of time. Like when Muslim fanatics fly planes into sky-scrapers.
Please, get real.
Jeause Christ, its clear as day. Only liberals would spend time and money on that.
Bomb the fuckers to the stone age where they like it.
Its THAT simple.
Just wait. ;) Bush didnt even do service....
We'll straighten this shit out.
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Wow, thats like asking for an investigation if Brittany is sane....
Some things are just a waste of time. Like when Muslim fanatics fly planes into sky-scrapers.
Please, get real.
Jeause Christ, its clear as day. Only liberals would spend time and money on that.
Bomb the fuckers to the stone age where they like it.
Its THAT simple.
Just wait. ;) Bush didnt even do service....
We'll straighten this shit out.
why are you yapping about liberals ::) This came off the history channel, not Michael Moore's homepage ::)
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That's just something you make up your own mind about. As information comes out on any subject, it's up to you to decide on it. high up members of the government has proven to be that corrupt in the past so it's foolish to do an automatic "they wouldn't" because they have. I don't think anybody would ever suggest the government as a whole sat down to plot something like this. Could a rouge element do that? oh hell ya. Could several hardliners in the government do that, sure the joint chiefs were all that corrupt during the Kennedy admin as was shown with their ideas declassified for the pretext planned to invade Cuba. Have there been rogue elements in government, in the CIA before? sure there have been. Who do they work for, what's their goal, all answers I can't bring. The only thing you can do is ignore the info and call people stupid for bringing it up or research it and make an educated guess at what you believe.
Hey, I CAN accept this.
But bringing down the towers or anthrax is too far.
My experience w/ the Govt lead me to believe they prolly had advanced info that never was acted on. That at a minimum. The Govt is SO AssBackwards is beyond hope.
But, the towers were on thing - Terrorists.
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why are you yapping about liberals ::) This came off the history channel, not Michael Moore's homepage ::)
Exactly.
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Exactly.
The history channel has no history of a liberal leaning. They spend so much time with military programs, guns, wild west, etc etc it could more easily be argued they lean right. The vast majority of the conspiracy related things they show that liberals would find of interest are debunkings of the theory.
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The history channel has no history of a liberal leaning. They spend so much time with military programs, guns, wild west, etc etc it could more easily be argued they lean right. The vast majority of the conspiracy related things they show that liberals would find of interest are debunkings of the theory.
I think all media has some liberal bias. You think all media has conservative bias... ;D
We will not agree.
I knew about DU YEARS before it hit mainstream.
Quit worry'n about all the crap you cant change and protect your own interests.
Shits gonna get tougher, and you gonna be around longer than me.
Smarten up, and pile it up, and have the option to move the fuck out of the USA.
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I think all media has some liberal bias. You think all media has conservative bias... ;D
We will not agree.
I knew about DU YEARS before it hit mainstream.
Quit worry'n about all the crap you cant change and protect your own interests.
Shits gonna get tougher, and you gonna be around longer than me.
Smarten up, and pile it up, and have the option to move the fuck out of the USA.
Again you're talking out your ass. Dude, if you don't like to talk about stuff that you probably will have no effect on, WTF are you posting here for? What the fuck is anyone posting here for? Big fucking deal, people talk about shit that happens in the world. How that is wrong I have no idea ::) What, did you think I fancied the notion I would change the world on getbig ::) I think you need to take your own advice bubba, smarten up. Get some fucking perspective and put the King Leonidas doll down ::) and big fucking deal you knew about DU before it was posted. Lots of people did, you're not special, oh wait, maybe you are. ;) I knew about DU from the first gulf war, so did many.
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Sometime posts are funny in their absurdity but trab's posts are just plain retarded.
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1. Ames strain
2. "near" total control of
Those are the 2 issues that need to be verified and researched outside this clip.
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Yet another "terrorist" attack where the current administration has failed to find the culprits. I wonder why Bush didn't mention this one in his "greatest hits" version of the State of the Union.
Some interesting facts to consider:
· The anthrax attacks were concurrent with the debate of Bush’s Patriot Act by Congress and the media.
· The Senators who received anthrax letters were trying to amend the Patriot Act to protect civil liberties and the innocent.
· Two Senate democratic leaders received anthrax letters mailed the same day that Senator Feingold blocked an attempt to rush the bill through without discussion or amendments.
· And on that very same day, the FBI told the Iowa state lab to
destroy the original batch of the Ames strain, making tracing the
anthrax type more difficult.
· Senator Leahy received an anthrax threat after he expressed reservations about the Bill. As Chairman of the Judiciary Committee, he managed the debate on the Bill.
· Senate Majority Leader Daschle received the first Senate anthrax letter as he led the opposition to the original version of the Bill.
· After receiving the anthrax letter, Daschle switched from supporting a 2 year limit on the Bill, later defending a 4-year sunset clause as the “appropriate balance.”
· No Republican received an anthrax letter.
· The House and Senate buildings were closed and not reopened until after the Patriot Act was passed.
· The Supreme Court was shut down with an anthrax scare the day after the constitutionally-challenged Patriot Act was signed by President Bush.
· All the contaminated letters contained the Ames strain of anthrax, the DNA of which is traced to the original batch preserved in a university lab in Ames, Iowa. This strain was “weaponized” in Utah into a potent powder with an elaborate secret technique developed at Fort Detrick, Md.[1]
· The FBI failed to interview Ft. Detrick anthrax experts for two months into their investigation, doing it only after the experts complained to the press of gross incompetence on the part of the FBI.
· The FBI overruled local homicide detectives who think that an anthrax expert was murdered, possibly because he knew too much.
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who the hell you talking to? The History Channel ::) They can't hear you silly boy ;D
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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i'm positive it's purely a coincidence. ::)
and the only two Dems who received it just happened to be the very ones who were opposing the vote on the Patriot Act and were actually capable of controlling the debate and the vote.
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1. Ames strain
2. "near" total control of
Those are the 2 issues that need to be verified and researched outside this clip.
Can this be proved?
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Can this be proved?
I found this as the first return on yahoo.
that suggests the attacker had a scientific background and, quite possibly, access to one of a small group of U.S. military research labs and contractors known to possess Ames.
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Here's something extremely interesting. The government reported that the anthrax used was "garden variety" saying it was not weaponized. Why would they say that? both in the full History Channel Documentary experts testified on it and various experts on the subject say that not only was it weoponized but it was weaponized to a state few knew was possible. Here they say only 3 nations are thought to have the know how. only one had this strain, our defence department.
http://www.newsgarden.org/columns/anthrax/usrecipe.shtml
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http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn2265
'The DNA sequence of the anthrax sent through the US mail in 2001 has been revealed and confirms suspicions that the bacteria originally came from a US military laboratory. The data released uses codenames for the reference strains against which the attack strain was compared. The two reference strains that appear identical to the attack strain most likely originated at the US Army Medical Research Institute for Infectious Diseases at Fort Detrick (USAMRIID), Maryland.
The new work also shows that substantial genetic differences can emerge in two samples of an anthrax culture separated for only three years. This means the attacker's anthrax was not separated from its ancestors at USAMRIID for many generations.
Why don't we get an expert opinion? The one person who was considered an expert in this field died a very mysterious accidental death a month after the attacks: http://www.rense.com/general25/thedeathofdrwiley.htm
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http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn2265
'The DNA sequence of the anthrax sent through the US mail in 2001 has been revealed and confirms suspicions that the bacteria originally came from a US military laboratory. The data released uses codenames for the reference strains against which the attack strain was compared. The two reference strains that appear identical to the attack strain most likely originated at the US Army Medical Research Institute for Infectious Diseases at Fort Detrick (USAMRIID), Maryland.
The new work also shows that substantial genetic differences can emerge in two samples of an anthrax culture separated for only three years. This means the attacker's anthrax was not separated from its ancestors at USAMRIID for many generations.
Why don't we get an expert opinion? The one person who was considered an expert in this field died a very mysterious accidental death a month after the attacks: http://www.rense.com/general25/thedeathofdrwiley.htm
OH... OUCH!!!
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I will also bring up a story I remember very well on ABC maybe Nightline in the summer of 2001 before the 9/11 attacks, of course :P Back when they were still semi doing their job, ABC had uncovered that the government was violating International treaty on biological weapons. They busted them at their lab in the middle of nowhere. There was this small site set up to make nothing but anthrax. They argued that it was ok to be producing the anthrax in violation of treaty so they could learn how our enemies might go about doing it ::) I kid you not.
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When did this become news....after the attacks they were looking for a former employee of a Government Lab who might have had a beef with Uncle Sam...this was never an inside job. What kind of idiot would run an operation with traceable weapons grade anthrax if he was a government agent. Ur never going to get breaking news on the History Channel. Its like when they do a BigFoot show..if somebody found bigfoot or an alien..don't u think it would come out immediatly, not months in post productions.
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When did this become news....after the attacks they were looking for a former employee of a Government Lab who might have had a beef with Uncle Sam...this was never an inside job. What kind of idiot would run an operation with traceable weapons grade anthrax if he was a government agent. Ur never going to get breaking news on the History Channel. Its like when they do a BigFoot show..if somebody found bigfoot or an alien..don't u think it would come out immediatly, not months in post productions.
I'm having trouble following your logic. Keep in mind this is British History Channel which is a joint effort and also History Channel has a broad range of programing. Some of it deals with more current issues, most with past. This deals with the short term past. As I searched info on this, it appears there is no new news revealed in this documentary. It's all been out there for some time, just not covered by the mainstreme media. Big surpise, not. What is a shock to me is that the history channel picked it up. Also keep in mind that one man with an inside position would be considered an inside job. Inside Job does not definitively state that it was the work of the organization. The evidence shows without a doubt that some sort of inside job occured here. Now it's only open to what level of an inside job.
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Its simple..if I'm an American agent...and I'm going to use Anthrax...I'm not going to use Anthrax that can be tied to America. If this wasa true inside job...then I'd use stuff I could get from a major University or research lab..not something that has USAMRID stamped all over it. I have no doubt that somebody got this stuff from a weapons lab..or its possible. They were talking about this a week or so after the attacks. Some guy who had dissappeared who had an ax to grind.
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As I recall, and I was pretty busy after 911, they never linked it with AQ. I don't remember the government saying that.
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Its simple..if I'm an American agent...and I'm going to use Anthrax...I'm not going to use Anthrax that can be tied to America. If this wasa true inside job...then I'd use stuff I could get from a major University or research lab..not something that has USAMRID stamped all over it. I have no doubt that somebody got this stuff from a weapons lab..or its possible. They were talking about this a week or so after the attacks. Some guy who had dissappeared who had an ax to grind.
you still miss the point, no matter what, someone had to pass the strain from the gov facility=Inside Job. As I said, the unknown is a matter of what level of an inside job.
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Its simple..if I'm an American agent...and I'm going to use Anthrax...I'm not going to use Anthrax that can be tied to America. If this wasa true inside job...then I'd use stuff I could get from a major University or research lab..not something that has USAMRID stamped all over it. I have no doubt that somebody got this stuff from a weapons lab..or its possible. They were talking about this a week or so after the attacks. Some guy who had dissappeared who had an ax to grind.
Oh, the ax to gring guy turned out to be nobody. There was a middle eastern guy who was harassed at the facility and a letter was sent in anonymously accusing him, it turned out to be BS. wasn't the guy.
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If a disgruntled employee had access, then there is no inside job, or atleast no conspiracy. The guy grabbed some stuff and walked out. If u understand the security procedures, I'm sure u can do what u need to. They showed a program on 20/20 where u could get that crap through the mail, from chem wharehouses. I'm pretty sure Uncle Sam had nothing to do with it.
I'm not talking about that guy, this guy was white and had been fired.
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If a disgruntled employee had access, then there is no inside job, or atleast no conspiracy.
No fucking shit huh... I think I said that!!!!!!!!!! but I will also say there is a larger possibility too. It is unknown at this point. I said clearly inside job could just be one insider. Who fucking knows what the motive is. This no matter what narrows it down to an inside job on some level. Level=unknown as I said. Oh and you can't get highly weaponized anthrax through a chem research lab :-\
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U can get 'regular" anthrax from chem supply companies...or could...weaponized means u can get it to do something if u put it in a bomb. This crap was falling out of envelopes so I don't know if it would have even mattered. U posted like it was a conspircy...I'd say it was shitty security.
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U can get 'regular" anthrax from chem supply companies...or could...weaponized means u can get it to do something if u put it in a bomb. This crap was falling out of envelopes so I don't know if it would have even mattered. U posted like it was a conspircy...I'd say it was shitty security.
research what is involved in weaponizing anthrax. It is not just putting anthrax in a bomb, not at all. I posted in shock that the history channel, a channel that usually debunks everything, left the door open to the suggestion of conspiracy. which is a fact, it is very possible. much lines up, this wasn't geared to kill. Had this person wanted to kill, the one envelope in a train station would have done some real killing. Geared for fear and the oddities, why target dems? dems would mostly likely oppose the upcomming war effort, this would play to the United we Stand cause and more. Yes, I post with the possibility of conspiracy, because it is possible. I also said along the way that it could just be one person with unknown reason because that is also possible.
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I have not seen the documentary, but I will. They generally allow anything interesting to aire on that channel, as long as it has facts. I imagine anything is possible. I don't believe Uncle SAm was behind it. As for weaponized anthrax or any other bio agent. I'm well aware of what the differences are. Those agents have to be strains that will survive the delivery. Thats why AQ and others are having a hard time obtaining and using it. Normal Anthrax available for study at a University, won't survive the explosion. I took ur conspiracy to mean government involvement..official involvement.
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you still miss the point, no matter what, someone had to pass the strain from the gov facility=Inside Job. As I said, the unknown is a matter of what level of an inside job.
if this did happen it makes it an inside job at the facility not an inside job of the government. An inside job of the government means that someone ordered this, not some nut with a cause...lets think this through hypothetically, if a scientist working on anthrax for the government, who is in danger of losing his job due to bills being passed by the democrats who do you think hes going to attack?
It seems to me that this evidence points to an inside job at a FACILITY not the government and a nut with a cause
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All the superbad Bush Admininstration has to do is solve the crime and we can stop speculating. So far they are 0 for 2 in bringing the criminals to justice on the 2 terrorists attacks that happened on their watch.
The fact that that it was sent to the 2 specific senators who were opposing the Patriot Act (why would a non-domestic terrorist care at all who received this stuff). The fact that the one person who was an expert in this field and could most likekly indentify the source of the anthrax died a very mysterious death (good way to shut him up AND send a message to anyone else who is thinking about being a whistleblower). The fact that the the FBI failed to interview Ft. Detrick anthrax experts for two months into their investigation, doing it only after the experts complained to the press of gross incompetence on the part of the FBI. The fact that the FBI overruled local homicide detectives who think that an anthrax expert was murdered, possibly because he knew too much.
All these facts don't prove anything but they sure paint a strange picture. This seems like such a dangerous and easy kind of terrorist attack that I don't see why the Bush Admin hasn't made this one it priorities to solve and bring the criminials to justice.
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Talk to an agent, ask them what was happening after 911. They were doing other things and I'm sure this was not a priority. Is everything a conspiracy....come on.
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All these facts don't prove anything but they sure paint a strange picture. This seems like such a dangerous and easy kind of terrorist attack that I don't see why the Bush Admin hasn't made this one it priorities to solve and bring the criminials to justice.
Actually its not hijacking a plane is much easier or just strapping a bomb to you
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No doubt they were pre-occuppied. I have some friends who work for the FBI and they never saw their wives during that period.
Still - that doesn't change the facts and it has been 6 years now and still no one has been brought to justice. I'd call that a total failure..... so far.
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Actually its not hijacking a plane is much easier or just strapping a bomb to you
If the person has the anthrax and doesn't kill themself with it then all they really have to do is drop it in the mail. How hard is that?
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I think once they determined that it wasn't foreign terrorism, they pulled back the investigation...plus nobody is really demanding it. Priorities.....
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If the person has the anthrax and doesn't kill themself with it then all they really have to do is drop it in the mail. How hard is that?
it would have to be a weaponized version of it, anthrax by itself is generally does not spread very well from person to person
you cant really believe that thats easier than just strapping a bomb to you and walking into a public area
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I think once they determined that it wasn't foreign terrorism, they pulled back the investigation...plus nobody is really demanding it. Priorities.....
nobody really demanding it?
seriously - this is a reason why it was never solved?
5 people were killed and 17 other infected. This was a real act of terrorism on US soil.
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Perhaps ur right..but there is no huge public outcry....More people care about friggen American Idol then this. They care more about that then the economy.
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Perhaps ur right..but there is no huge public outcry....More people care about friggen American Idol then this. They care more about that then the economy.
sad but true
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Ok, so we got some what verifiable proof that it was from our labs.
Which lead us to 3 possibilities if read what HH6 and Berserker are saying correctly:
1. It was taken by a former disgruntled employee.
2. It was deliberately taken from our labs and used to create this scare by people inside our government.
3. It was obtained from our labs becuase poor security or obtained other ways like from this disgruntle employee to perpetuate a scare by somebody or organization.
#1 & #3 seem more plausible
#2 Seems unlikely becuase they would have had to know that it would have been traceable back the the US government. If they really wanted to put on a scare it would have been obviously prudent to obtain Anthrax elsewhere.
But there may be more to this and I'm certainly open to anything else that might be posted.
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maybe a person with access took it but didn't realize just how traceable it was or maybe they simply didn't care and figured they'd just cover it up later. Maybe it was just a necessity. They needed a weapons grade source and this was the only one they could get access to so they figured they deal with the fallout later.
I know, lot's of maybes.
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Its simple..if I'm an American agent...and I'm going to use Anthrax...I'm not going to use Anthrax that can be tied to America. If this wasa true inside job...then I'd use stuff I could get from a major University or research lab..not something that has USAMRID stamped all over it. I have no doubt that somebody got this stuff from a weapons lab..or its possible. They were talking about this a week or so after the attacks. Some guy who had dissappeared who had an ax to grind.
You are assuming American agents are smart....
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maybe a person with access took it but didn't realize just how traceable it was or maybe they simply didn't care and figured they'd just cover it up later. Maybe it was just a necessity. They needed a weapons grade source and this was the only one they could get access to so they figured they deal with the fallout later.
I know, lot's of maybes.
That's too sloppy. We are not "secret agents" and we can figure that out. Besides, the word anthrax is enough to create a scare. The person that sent this stuff out wanted to kill people.
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That's too sloppy. We are not "secret agents" and we can figure that out. Besides, the word anthrax is enough to create a scare. The person that sent this stuff out wanted to kill people.
exactly and that means he/she/they needed a weaponized version and if the choices were few then they may have had no alternative other than the take a version which could potentially be traced (btw - as bebop396 pointed out we can't assume in hindsight that they were even smart enough to know this)
It seems the source has been pretty reliably traced but we just don't know: How, Who, or Why
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exactly and that means he/she/they needed a weaponized version and if the choices were few then they may have had no alternative other than the take a version which could potentially be traced (btw - as bebop396 pointed out we can't assume in hindsight that they were even smart enough to know this)
It seems the source has been pretty reliably traced but we just don't know: How, Who, or Why
It's in all likely hood probably not as complex as we'd think it might be in that this is a deliberate act by the US government or from people in the administration to manipulate congress and public opinion by creating a anthrax scare using anthrax trace-able back to government sources. That's like leaving your cell phone in a bank vault after you robbed it.
to pull off what might be suspected here would take some thought and planning. And in that planning the source of the anthrax and it's trace-ablity would come into question. Even the most moronic of criminals would think of that and we are talking about successful people in this kind of work, not dumb rank rookies.
But like i said, based on what we have now, it doesn't seems like a big conspiracy, but then again, more info might surface.
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the bush administration seems so trustable. ::)
Is that in response to what i wrote or are you making a general statement?
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a little of both. ;)
what do trust in, however, is that the people who would have the power and ability to pull something like that off would be smart enough not to send trace-able anthrax.
But then again maybe it's easier to obtain than we realize.
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what do trust in, however, is that the people who would have the power and ability to pull something like that off would be smart enough not to send trace-able anthrax.
But then again maybe it's easier to obtain than we realize.
maybe those same people just assumed that they could/would control any investigation and would prevent anyone from getting to the source. This could include intimidation and murder. Remember this was long before Bush Admin had even agreed to an investigation of the events of 9-11. I think it very safe to assume that whoever perpetrated this was probably assuming that there would never be a serious investigation. They propbably already had their whitewash and patsy set up long ahead of time.
Assuming that they wouldn't be so dumb....therefore it just can't be still leaves the following facts to be dealt with:
· All the contaminated letters contained the Ames strain of anthrax, the DNA of which is traced to the original batch preserved in a university lab in Ames, Iowa. This strain was “weaponized” in Utah into a potent powder with an elaborate secret technique developed at Fort Detrick, Md.[1]
· The FBI failed to interview Ft. Detrick anthrax experts for two months into their investigation, doing it only after the experts complained to the press of gross incompetence on the part of the FBI.
· The FBI overruled local homicide detectives who think that an anthrax expert was murdered, possibly because he knew too much.
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· The FBI failed to interview Ft. Detrick anthrax experts for two months into their investigation, doing it only after the experts complained to the press of gross incompetence on the part of the FBI.
That would have been thought out. The same people you say assumed they would control an investigation wouldn't leave that to chance. If someone really had a way of preventing an investigation they would have done so. Either way, you don't bank on "may-be's" if you intent to cover something up. they would have known full well there would be an investigation and have prepared for it well in advance. Pointing out it took them 2 months only conveniently fits into a theory but does not encompass the entire spectrum of pulling something like this off.
The FBI overruled local homicide detectives who think that an anthrax expert was murdered, possibly because he knew too much.
This is speculative becuase we are not privy to the facts of the case. That being an issue, again it fits into the theory, but without knowing ALL the reasons why the FBI ruled it out we only have speculation. Do we have the actual report from the homicide detectives? What language did they use in their report? I would reserve judgment on what the homocide detectives said until i saw the actual police report they filled and then i'd liek to see the report the FBI filled and the evidence they were both looking at.
Besides i think you may connecting the "9/11 inside job theory" with this as being something they assumed they could get away with.
Don't get me wrong. What you've posted is incomplete. I'm not trying to shoot it down, i'm just pointing out that what you've posted is not very concrete. The best way to find this out for sure is to have some of the things i talked about to review like the actual police reports.
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That would have been thought out. The same people you say assumed they would control an investigation wouldn't leave that to chance. If someone really had a way of preventing an investigation they would have done so. Either way, you don't bank on "may-be's" if you intent to cover something up. they would have known full well there would be an investigation and have prepared for it well in advance. Pointing out it took them 2 months only conveniently fits into a theory but does not encompass the entire spectrum of pulling something like this off.
This is speculative becuase we are not privy to the facts of the case. That being an issue, again it fits into the theory, but without knowing ALL the reasons why the FBI ruled it out we only have speculation. Do we have the actual report from the homicide detectives? What language did they use in their report? I would reserve judgment on what the homocide detectives said until i saw the actual police report they filled and then i'd liek to see the report the FBI filled and the evidence they were both looking at.
Besides i think you may connecting the "9/11 inside job theory" with this as being something they assumed they could get away with.
Don't get me wrong. What you've posted is incomplete. I'm not trying to shoot it down, i'm just pointing out that what you've posted is not very concrete. The best way to find this out for sure is to have some of the things i talked about to review like the actual police reports.
Let's face it - we're both making a lot of assumptions. What I've posted most certainly is incomplete but that's by necessity. To clarify, I'm not drawing any conclusions about inside job or not and didn't mean to suggest that I was. I'm just saying that we can't generously assume that the perpetrators would have been either smart or fool proof in their planning.
They didn't have to prevent an investigation but they could perhaps have been betting that they could control and make it a whitewash or a dead end.
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Let's face it - we're both making a lot of assumptions. What I've posted most certainly is incomplete but that's by necessity. To clarify, I'm not drawing any conclusions about inside job or not and didn't mean to suggest that I was. I'm just saying that we can't generously assume that the perpetrators would have been either smart or fool proof in their planning.
They didn't have to prevent an investigation but they could perhaps have been betting that they could control and make it a whitewash or a dead end.
You can never have a plan that's 100% fool proof but i think there are some things such as the points i brought up that are a given, but even then i see what you are saying and it is a possibility.
I'd really like to read the police report though.
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Just one question. With the main bulk of the major corporate media in their back pocket, why would they give a crap if it was a traceable strain. It took this many years for the History Channel to delve in. It's just like the Downing Street Memos. This was a huge story that showed a level of proof that the Bush admin intended on manipulating the intelligence around a case for war. By any standards of an working free media, this should have been front page. Who covered this in the mainstream media here? NOBODY!!! Stop and think about this, the FBI knew of the strain tracking back to one of our labs and they were not interested in looking into the personell files? Not until 4 months after they knew? Oh I'm sure you just say well they were busy but that won't cut it, this was at that time a center of the "terrorist fear" rocking America. Jesus, I couldn't even send regular mail to clients who were refusing to receive stuff from the post office. Had to fed ex a bunch of shit. This was probably happening all over. It was on the news constant. They were telling us this was Al Qaeda, well!!! How could that have not been a top priority ::) Even their main suspect they said they were not interested, they didn't consider him and it was not until private investigators gathered information and started making it public that they pressured the FBI to even give a shit one way or another. Now that's just fucking odd as hell. Looks more like they didn't want to touch that and stayed away until private investigators and public scrutiny threatened to make them look like they intended on staying away.
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Just one question. With the main bulk of the major corporate media in their back pocket, why would they give a crap if it was a traceable strain. It took this many years for the History Channel to delve in. It's just like the Downing Street Memos. This was a huge story that showed a level of proof that the Bush admin intended on manipulating the intelligence around a case for war. By any standards of an working free media, this should have been front page. Who covered this in the mainstream media here? NOBODY!!! Stop and think about this, the FBI knew of the strain tracking back to one of our labs and they were not interested in looking into the personell files? Not until 4 months after they knew? Oh I'm sure you just say well they were busy but that won't cut it, this was at that time a center of the "terrorist fear" rocking America. Jesus, I couldn't even send regular mail to clients who were refusing to receive stuff from the post office. Had to fed ex a bunch of shit. This was probably happening all over. It was on the news constant. They were telling us this was Al Qaeda, well!!! How could that have not been a top priority ::) Even their main suspect they said they were not interested, they didn't consider him and it was not until private investigators gathered information and started making it public that they pressured the FBI to even give a shit one way or another. Now that's just fucking odd as hell. Looks more like they didn't want to touch that and stayed away until private investigators and public scrutiny threatened to make them look like they intended on staying away.
They would give a crap becuase it's a tangible link to their crime that would have been easily avoided by using a different strain that wasn't trace-able back to them.
I'm not saying it isn't possible but i am saying based on the information on this thread that's is very unlikely. I would like to see a summary of the investigation including the police reports. It would shed some light and answer many of the unanswered question that have been brought up here. It might or might not show why certain thing that look suspicious where done the way they were done.
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They would give a crap becuase it's a tangible link to their crime that would have been easily avoided by using a different strain that wasn't trace-able back to them.
I'm not saying it isn't possible but i am saying based on the information on this post that's is very unlikely. I would like to see a summary of the investigation including the police reports. It would shed some light and answer many of the unanswered question that have been brought up here. It might or might not show why certain thing that look suspicious where done the way they were done.
one of the things in the history channel show they went over, there was a middle-eastern guy from the lab that felt he was being set up to be a patsy so perhaps the plan was to trace it to him all along and fell apart when he fell apart as a viable patsy. The FBI brough him in BEFORE the anthrax letters were recieved and tired to accuse him of being a bio terrorist. The FBI recieved an anonymous letter saying he was a threat. the letter said he hated America and was training his sons to be bio terrorists. Now this is what's interesting, the letter knew his entire background including the security clearance, training and work done for USAMRIID. So... just before the anthrax letters are delivered, the FBI recieves a letter pointing them to a middle eastern man working at the facility that the antrax is going to end up being tracked to. wow. the postmark on the letter accusing him was made just days before the anthrax letters were mailed. whoever the real attacker was, they may have banked on setting him up as a patsy and they had to be in a position of knowing his security clearance, training and work done at the lab.
also, the letter sent to the FBI said that he was a religious fanatic and the anthrax letters said, "Allah is Great"
Then the letter sent to the FBI said he hated America and the anthrax letter said, "death to America"
so perhaps they didn't care and counted on it being tracked to USAMRIID.
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one of the things in the history channel show they went over, there was a middle-eastern guy from the lab that felt he was being set up to be a patsy so perhaps the plan was to trace it to him all along and fell apart when he fell apart as a viable patsy. The FBI brough him in BEFORE the anthrax letters were recieved and tired to accuse him of being a bio terrorist. The FBI recieved an anonymous letter saying he was a threat. the letter said he hated America and was training his sons to be bio terrorists. Now this is what's interesting, the letter knew his entire background including the security clearance, training and work done for USAMRIID. So... just before the anthrax letters are delivered, the FBI recieves a letter pointing them to a middle eastern man working at the facility that the antrax is going to end up being tracked to. wow. the postmark on the letter accusing him was made just days before the anthrax letters were mailed. whoever the real attacker was, they may have banked on setting him up as a patsy and they had to be in a position of knowing his security clearance, training and work done at the lab.
also, the letter sent to the FBI said that he was a religious fanatic and the anthrax letters said, "Allah is Great"
Then the letter sent to the FBI said he hated America and the anthrax letter said, "death to America"
so perhaps they didn't care and counted on it being tracked to USAMRIID.
If what you say is correct it's very possible and makes sense even though sending letters early is a bit weird and sloppy. I wonder if anyone has done some research on this and published it.
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If what you say is correct it's very possible and makes sense even though sending letters early is a bit weird and sloppy. I wonder if anyone has done some research on this and published it.
This is fantastic. I just found this site from UCLA Department of Epidemiology some really great info here.
http://www.ph.ucla.edu/epi/bioter/compilationofanthraxevidence.html
All the available evidence indicates that the source of the mailed anthrax, or the information and materials to make it, is a US government program.
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This is fantastic. I just found this site from UCLA Department of Epidemiology some really great info here.
http://www.ph.ucla.edu/epi/bioter/compilationofanthraxevidence.html
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Conclusions: A recent report by the Congressional GAO, as well as many recent statements by military and non-governmental experts in the BW field, holds that terrorists are unlikely to be able to mount a major biological attack without substantial assistance from a government sponsor. The recent anthrax attack was a minor one but nonetheless we now see that it was perpetrated with the unwitting assistance of a sophisticated government program. It is reassuring to know that it was not perpetrated by a lone terrorist without state support.
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It is not reassuring, however, to discover that a secret US program may have been the source of that support, and that security is so dangerously lax in military or defense contractor laboratories. US government insistence on pursuing and maintaining the secrecy of elaborate biological threat assessment activities is undermining the prohibitions of the Biological Weapons Convention and encouraging biological weapons proliferation in other countries, which in turn may support bioterrorist attacks on the American public.
So, it was an inside job, but not a deliberate one involving a conspiracy with the US government. Looks like we have a cover up of lax security here and some hanky panky to continue bio weapons manufacturing and research in the face of the Biological Weapons Convention.
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Conclusions: A recent report by the Congressional GAO, as well as many recent statements by military and non-governmental experts in the BW field, holds that terrorists are unlikely to be able to mount a major biological attack without substantial assistance from a government sponsor. The recent anthrax attack was a minor one but nonetheless we now see that it was perpetrated with the unwitting assistance of a sophisticated government program. It is reassuring to know that it was not perpetrated by a lone terrorist without state support.
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It is not reassuring, however, to discover that a secret US program may have been the source of that support, and that security is so dangerously lax in military or defense contractor laboratories. US government insistence on pursuing and maintaining the secrecy of elaborate biological threat assessment activities is undermining the prohibitions of the Biological Weapons Convention and encouraging biological weapons proliferation in other countries, which in turn may support bioterrorist attacks on the American public.
So, it was an inside job, but not a deliberate one involving a conspiracy with the US government. Looks like we have a cover up of lax security here and some hanky panky to continue bio weapons manufacturing and research in the face of the Biological Weapons Convention.
well yea, of course. as I've said through the thread, you just don't have the info to say for sure it was a larger conspiracy so all speculation on a larger conspiracy is just speculation. Possibly in the speculation process something might get figured out which is about all I can hope for. But you can't take these conclusions and rule a larger conspiracy out either. I'm staying open on this. It could still be a larger conspiracy. All this says above is that it wasn't hard to commit due to lax security. On the UCLA site it also makes an interesting note on the timing suggesting that the person could have had prior knowledge of 9/11 It does put him putting this together in a quick fashion. There are really a lot of suspicious aspects to all of it. There are only small group of individuals with the knowledge required to weoponize the antrax in the Dashle letter, why would they put off investigating a small handful of people? odd.
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well yea, of course. as I've said through the thread, you just don't have the info to say for sure it was a larger conspiracy so all speculation on a larger conspiracy is just speculation. Possibly in the speculation process something might get figured out which is about all I can hope for. But you can't take these conclusions and rule a larger conspiracy out either. I'm staying open on this. It could still be a larger conspiracy. All this says above is that it wasn't hard to commit due to lax security. On the UCLA site it also makes an interesting note on the timing suggesting that the person could have had prior knowledge of 9/11 It does put him putting this together in a quick fashion. There are really a lot of suspicious aspects to all of it. There are only small group of individuals with the knowledge required to weoponize the antrax in the Dashle letter, why would they put off investigating a small handful of people? odd.
Yes, I agree.
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might be a repost
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dang I have a good memory :D
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haha
WTH? I clicked the link and then thought you posted this today and how did I miss it. then I saw the year.
what are the odds on posting it on the same day a year later.
LMAO
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haha
WTH? I clicked the link and then thought you posted this today and how did I miss it.
what are the odds on posting it on the same day a year later.
LMAO
holy shit... I didn't see it was the same day, that's wacked! lol. There is a higher calling here. It's a sign :D
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:P
I had a feeling it was a repost, I did a search, the search function didn't work
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BTW John McCain is your next pres, Like it or not. ;)
Sweet! By 2012, he'll certainly be ready.
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Sweet! By 2012, he'll certainly be ready.
Bwahahahahaa... P'wned,.
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Sweet! By 2012, he'll certainly be ready.
OR DEAD...the guy is more stiff than a corpse....
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History channel doesn't make claims itself. It has shows which make claims, or features people who make claims.
The phrase "inside job" is being confused here. It implies someone working closely with the company or government, not a conspiracy created by the government itself.
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who the hell you talking to? The History Channel ::) They can't hear you silly boy ;D
LOL!!!!!!!!!
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History channel doesn't make claims itself. It has shows which make claims, or features people who make claims.
The phrase "inside job" is being confused here. It implies someone working closely with the company or government, not a conspiracy created by the government itself.
true, but the thread wouldn't have been nearly as fun without the other innitial perception ;D
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those scientists failed miserably....you would think anthrax "virus" would destroy thousands. It only killed a handful of americans.
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Guy, you are a fraud. Plain and simple.
Shame on your leading pups astray with false hope that you can guide them to financial safety or
market maneuvers...
The fact you say your short the market from 14 and continually disseminate fear says it all.
The market is SO missunderstood that credibility is basicly invisible.
Your just into fantasy liberal conspirisy theories.
I see your still a dumbass. Neuro has a hundred pages of facts for the system and you have.......well......... nothing.