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Election 2016
« on: March 23, 2015, 01:38:51 PM »
Way early, but let the prognostications begin.

Democrats hold early advantage in Electoral College
Published March 18, 2015
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FILE: Jan. 4, 2013: The vote certificate for Maryland presented at a congressional session to certify the electoral college results that deemed President Obama to be president, Washington, D.C. (REUTERS)
Democrats gained an early edge in the 2016 president race when Hillary Clinton emerged as their potential candidate and promptly dominated the popular vote. And they now appear to have an early advantage in the Electoral College -- the arcane-but-official way in which U.S. presidents are elected, according to a new analysis by the nonpartisan Rothenberg & Gonzales Political Report.

The college essentially works like this: When a presidential nominee “wins” a state, he or she gets all of the state’s electoral votes, which is equal to its total number of senators and House members.

So for example, if Clinton or any other nominee from her party wins deep-blue California, as every Democratic nominee has since 1992, she would get 55 electoral votes -- equal to 53 House members and two senators.

The magic number is 270 votes.

An analysis by editor and publisher Nathan Gonzales shows that a tally of states that will almost certainly or likely vote Democrat in 2016 will give the party nominee 249 votes across 17 states and the District of Columbia.

And the Republican nominee would get 191 votes across 23 states under the same analysis, which means the battle for the remaining electoral votes will be in the remaining 10 states.

“The next commander in chief is likely to be decided by voters in a familiar group of 10,” Gonzales writes.

Gonzales makes clear that a big variable in his analysis is whether the big gains that President Obama made for Democrats in 2008 and 2012, including strong support from Hispanic and younger voters, were just the result of his popularity or will carry into 2016 when he’s no longer atop the ballot.

“The biggest unanswered question is how much of the Democrats’ recent success had to do with Barack Obama,” he told FoxNews.com on Thursday.

Gonzales based his analysis on the past four presidential elections.

Other unforeseeable factors between now and November 2016 that could largely influence the race, he says, are the eventual nominees and the mood of the country.

Clinton is amid a controversy about using a personal Internet server to send official emails when she was secretary of state from 2009 to 2013 but still has a huge lead in early polling.

An averaging of polls by the nonpartisan website RealClearPolitics.com has her leading all other potential Democratic candidates by 44.9 percent.

Gonzales also points out that Obama won Ohio, Florida and Wisconsin in 2008 and 2012. But those battleground states show no real signs of now being Democratic strongholds, considering they in part have Republican governors.

“The slate of 10 is set,” Gonzales said Thursday. “But there’s still plenty of room for movement within them.”

The Washington Post points out that Gonzales’ analysis is very early in the (still unofficial) election cycle and that Democrats over the past decade have won a lot of electoral votes -- including President Obama getting 365 in 2008 and 332 in 2012.

However, the newspaper also notes Republicans had even greater dominance in the 1980s, highlighted by President Reagan getting 525 votes in 1980.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/03/18/democrats-hold-early-advantage-in-electoral-college/?intcmp=latestnews

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Re: Election 2016
« Reply #1 on: March 23, 2015, 06:57:29 PM »
Budding 2016 presidential field set to be among most diverse in US history
Published March 23, 2015
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The announcement Monday by a Canadian-born Cuban-American that he will seek the White House in 2016 marks just the first entry in what is shaping up to be one of the most diverse presidential fields in U.S. political history.

Counting Sen. Ted Cruz, candidates and potential candidates now include at least one African-American, two women, two Cuban-Americans and three Catholics.

The field comes into view just a generation after John F. Kennedy defied political odds by winning the 1960 White House race amid a country still wary of his Roman Catholic religion.

Today, political talk about the potential candidacies of New Jersey GOP Gov. Chris Christie, former Florida GOP Gov. Jeb Bush or former Maryland Democratic Gov. Martin O’Malley focuses less on their Catholic faith than on their economic and foreign policy.

“The field is just more reflective of where the country is demographically,” Matthew Dallek, an assistant political professor at George Washington University, said Monday.

He also said the potential Republican field looks “much more diverse” than in years past but that the diversity among the entire field is not unprecedented -- considering in part that Hillary Clinton, the presumptive 2016 White House Democratic front-runner, came close to winning the nomination in 2008 and Barack Obama that year was elected the country’s first black president.

Cruz’s announcement Monday makes him the first Latino major party presidential candidate since Democrat Bill Richardson in 2008.

Florida GOP Sen. Marco Rubio, who like Cruz is a Cuban-American, is expected to make his official announcement in April. 

The history of female U.S. presidential candidates goes back to the late 1800s. But none has come closer than Clinton. Yet she may not be the only female contender on the field this time around. Businesswoman Carly Fiorina is weighing a Republican bid, and has trained much of her criticism in recent speeches on Clinton's tenure as secretary of state.

Republican and retired pediatric neurosurgeon Ben Carson is the only known African-American considering a 2016 presidential run.

Dan Holler, Heritage Action for America’s communications director, said Monday that diversity in the Republican field helps the party because it shows “everybody has the opportunity” to advance party policies.

“The more people making the case, the more receptive people are going to be to a Ted Cruz or a Carly Fiorina,” he said.

Though being Catholic is no longer considered a major hurdle toward becoming president, a candidate’s race and religion will likely continue to stir public debate.

"Were it not for the transformative love of Jesus Christ, I would have been raised by a single mother," Cruz said Monday in declaring his candidacy, describing his upbringing and how his father initially left when Cruz was a child but returned after finding religion.

Kennedy famously said two months before winning the White House, "I am not the Catholic candidate for president. I am the Democratic Party candidate for president who also happens to be a Catholic. I do not speak for my Church on public matters, and the Church does not speak for me."

In 2008 and 2012, Republican nominee Mitt Romney, who won the party nomination the second time, also was called upon to explain his Mormon faith but rarely brought up the issue, reportedly because advisers feared it would alienate some voters.

“Religion has become less of a flashpoint,” said Dallek, while arguing the topic would dominate more of the political debate if a Jewish or Muslim candidate became a major contender.

David Karol, an associate professor of American politics at the University of Maryland, thinks religion will be “very important” in the 2016 races, particularly during the Republican primaries because there will likely be little diversity of opinion on key issues like abortion and same-sex marriage.

He also argued that Romney struggled because “Christian evangelicals were not very comfortable” with his Mormon religion and that Cruz choosing to announce his candidacy at Liberty University was a clear effort to “identify himself with this strain of Christianity.”

“That’s where he’s putting his chips,” Karol said.

Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker, who with Bush leads most early polls for the 2016 Republican nomination, is a member of a nondenominational evangelical church.

Bush is not of Hispanic descent but is married to a Mexican-American woman and has three Latino children. That Bush, Cruz and Rubio have a Latino or Hispanic background could be an advantage, considering the growth of that population across the country and the importance of winning their vote.

Obama won reelection in 2012 with roughly 71 percent of the Hispanic vote, compared with roughly 27 percent for Romney.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/03/23/2016-presidential-field-among-most-diverse-in-us-political-history/

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Re: Election 2016
« Reply #2 on: March 24, 2015, 09:15:01 AM »
yawn...



Jeb vs Hildog


TPTB said so

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Re: Election 2016
« Reply #3 on: March 24, 2015, 10:17:59 AM »
What would we do without TheGrinch telling us every week that the fix is in, our votes don't matter, we are all doomed, etc.?  lol

Maybe one of these days you can spell out this grand conspiracy?  Who fixed our election in 2016?  When, where, why, how, etc.?

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Re: Election 2016
« Reply #4 on: March 24, 2015, 10:46:55 AM »
What would we do without TheGrinch telling us every week that the fix is in, our votes don't matter, we are all doomed, etc.?  lol

Maybe one of these days you can spell out this grand conspiracy?  Who fixed our election in 2016?  When, where, why, how, etc.?

lol.. just remember the posts are timed stamped so when it comes true you can ask me then  ;D

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Re: Election 2016
« Reply #5 on: March 24, 2015, 10:55:40 AM »
lol.. just remember the posts are timed stamped so when it comes true you can ask me then  ;D

lol. Ok.  And feel free to ask me who won Super Bowl XLIX.   :)

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Re: Election 2016
« Reply #6 on: April 09, 2015, 04:38:30 PM »
Rand Paul up, Clinton down in 2016 presidential poll
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WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Democrat Hillary Clinton has slipped against leading 2016 Republican candidates in Colorado, Iowa and Virginia, according to a poll released on Thursday that cited damage from the furor over the former secretary of state's emails.

The Quinnipiac University Swing State Poll also showed Clinton in a close race with U.S. Senator Rand Paul, the Kentucky Republican who declared his candidacy on Tuesday.

Clinton, who is expected to announce her White House bid this month, is tied with all the Republican candidates in Colorado and almost all of them in the early voting state of Iowa, the poll said.

"It isn't just one or two Republicans who are stepping up; it's virtually the entire GOP field that is running better against her" since the last swing state survey on Feb. 18, pollster Peter Brown said in a statement.

He attributed the drop to the controversy that erupted in March over Clinton's use of personal email for work when she was America's top diplomat. Republicans have raised the prospect of congressional hearings on the issue.

Paul led Clinton by 44 percent to 41 percent in Colorado and 43 percent to 42 percent in Iowa, the Quinnipiac poll showed. In Virginia, Clinton led 47 percent to 43 percent.

"These numbers are a boost for U.S. Senator Rand Paul of Kentucky as he formally launches his campaign," Brown said.

The poll cited a bright spot for Clinton in Virginia, where she led all Republicans, including former Florida Governor Jeb Bush, whom she led with 47 percent to 40 percent, compared to a 42-42 percent tie in February.

The telephone poll of 2,803 likely voters was conducted from March 29 through April 7 and had an error margin of 3.2 percentage points in Iowa and Virginia and 3.3 points in Colorado.

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/rand-paul-clinton-down-2016-presidential-poll-133940057.html

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Re: Election 2016
« Reply #7 on: April 09, 2015, 05:58:57 PM »
Rand Paul up, Clinton down in 2016 presidential poll

Cue 2012, where every candidate is "up" when they first announce and FOX says they're hot that week.

Remember, at one point, fcking sittin-on-couch-with-pelosi-supporting-global-warming newt gingrich was up by 25 points over everyone lol.  CAIN led, that simple minded, "999" spouting slut-whore of a person.

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Re: Election 2016
« Reply #8 on: April 10, 2015, 08:10:51 AM »
Cue 2012, where every candidate is "up" when they first announce and FOX says they're hot that week.

Remember, at one point, fcking sittin-on-couch-with-pelosi-supporting-global-warming newt gingrich was up by 25 points over everyone lol.  CAIN led, that simple minded, "999" spouting slut-whore of a person.

Wasn't Rudy Giuliani in the lead this time 8 years ago, and after the first debate he dropped to last.

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Re: Election 2016
« Reply #9 on: April 10, 2015, 09:29:04 AM »
Wasn't Rudy Giuliani in the lead this time 8 years ago, and after the first debate he dropped to last.

There was a time when fred thompson led lol.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2007/06/19/us-usa-politics-poll-idUSN1918714220070619

He was SO unprepared.  He knew SO little about the history, the issues, policy, he was just a dumb main, period.

And he led lol.   Trump led.  Cain led.  Newt led.  Santorum led.   

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Re: Election 2016
« Reply #10 on: April 10, 2015, 10:11:05 AM »
There was a time when fred thompson led lol.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2007/06/19/us-usa-politics-poll-idUSN1918714220070619

He was SO unprepared.  He knew SO little about the history, the issues, policy, he was just a dumb main, period.

And he led lol.   Trump led.  Cain led.  Newt led.  Santorum led.   

Everyone in the clown car gets their 15 minutes in the lime light before crashing back to Earth. 

The most likely scenario is that Cruz and Walker will split the Tea Party vote.  Rendering it ineffective.  Rubio and Rand are nothing more than background filler, Rubio simply because he is most likely angling for the VP pick on down the road.  Neither of those has a chance of winning.  They know it.  And so to their supporters.   Carson, Huck, Trump and Christie will be there (if they decide to enter at all) for no other reason than to make sure the oxygen content of the room doesn't rise to dangerous levels.  At this point the good ol' establishment boy Jeb will swoop in and pick up the nomination. 

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Re: Election 2016
« Reply #11 on: April 10, 2015, 10:18:11 AM »
Everyone in the clown car gets their 15 minutes in the lime light before crashing back to Earth. 

The most likely scenario is that Cruz and Walker will split the Tea Party vote.  Rendering it ineffective.  Rubio and Rand are nothing more than background filler, Rubio simply because he is most likely angling for the VP pick on down the road.  Neither of those has a chance of winning.  They know it.  And so to their supporters.   Carson, Huck, Trump and Christie will be there (if they decide to enter at all) for no other reason than to make sure the oxygen content of the room doesn't rise to dangerous levels.  At this point the good ol' establishment boy Jeb will swoop in and pick up the nomination. 

and if/when this happens...

Repubs will suddenly act happy the base gets dissed at the convention.
They'll all pretend Jeb was conservative all along.
They'll all pretend Jeb is the only electiable one.
They'll forget 2008 and 2012 ever happened.

Dudes, at this point.... I truly think 2008 and 2012, Romney and mccain werent that bad as candidates.  And I don't think obama was that good of a canddiate, particuarly in 2012 when he was tired and his numbers sucked.  I think the voting demographic is changing and it's going more liberal.  Raise an entire generation liberal - they don't remember 911 but they can vote in 2016, think about that!!!  Toss in 4 million new illegal aliens who can now vote dem thanks to obama...

Repubs could run Reagan and Dems could run Mondale... and the (D) party might win it.

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Re: Election 2016
« Reply #12 on: April 10, 2015, 12:57:00 PM »
both parties will "hate" their guy/gal but will vote for their guy/gal because they hate the other guy/gal more

simple as that...

its not a vote of who you like any longer... its a vote against who you hate more



sounds like a great recipe for the success of a country!!


GO MERICA'!

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Re: Election 2016
« Reply #13 on: April 10, 2015, 06:20:26 PM »
KRAUTHAMMER: RUBIO HAS CHANCE TO BE ‘KENNEDYESQUE’





On Friday’s “Special Report” on the Fox News Channel, columnist Charles Krauthammer argued that Senator Marco Rubio (R-FL) has a chance “to be the sort of Kennedyesque” candidate and that his foreign policy experience makes him “the best” to speak on the issues that the election will hinge “a lot” on.

“I think Rubio is the one — again, if the theme is new and old, I think he’s got a chance to be the sort of Kennedyesque one, a lot of energy, youth, and especially because foreign affairs have become a very important issue in the last couple of years that we should have an election that hinges a lot on that. But I think the disgust with — the way our position is in the world is going to lead to who can speak on those issues, Rubio, I think is the best” he stated.

Krauthammer bet $35 on Rubio, $30 on Jeb Bush, $25 on Scott Walker, and $5 on Ted Cruz in the “candidate casino” where “Special Report’s” panel puts 100 fictional dollars on candidates to win the nomination.

He added, ” I put $5 on Ted Cruz because anybody who raises $30 million in a week, deserves a fiver.”

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Re: Election 2016
« Reply #14 on: April 10, 2015, 08:00:14 PM »

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Re: Election 2016
« Reply #15 on: April 16, 2015, 12:09:57 AM »
Clinton is far ahead of Cruz in all the polls including Fox News polls.

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Re: Election 2016
« Reply #16 on: April 23, 2015, 05:11:01 PM »
Clinton is far ahead of Cruz in all the polls including Fox News polls.

She's definitely going to be formidable.  Not because she is a stellar, but because the MSM will prop her up and cover her sins, and a plethora of mindless drones will vote for her regardless of what comes out of her mouth (or her past).  

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Re: Election 2016
« Reply #17 on: April 23, 2015, 05:13:06 PM »
They hypothetical match-ups look a lot closer these days. 

Fox News Poll: Rubio jumps to head of 2016 GOP pack, Clinton honesty questioned
By Dana Blanton
Published April 23, 2015
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The Bush dynasty is a negative for voters and Marco Rubio is seen as a leader of the future, as the Florida senator jumps to the head of the GOP pack.  The Clinton dynasty is a plus -- and even though Hillary could have an honesty problem, she dominates the Democratic side.  And both the Republican faithful (with their crowded field) and the Democratic faithful (with their sole favorite) are happy with their range of 2016 choices.

These are some of the findings from the latest Fox News poll on the 2016 presidential election.  Here are some more:

Announcing your candidacy helps your poll numbers.  Florida Sen. Marco Rubio receives a five percentage-point bump after his April 13 announcement and has the backing of 13 percent in the race for the Republican nomination -- just a touch over Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker who gets 12 percent among self-identified GOP primary voters.  Kentucky Sen. Rand Paul comes in at 10 percent, former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush and former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee earn 9 percent each and Texas Sen. Ted Cruz gets 8 percent. 

CLICK HERE TO READ THE POLL RESULTS

New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie and retired neurosurgeon Ben Carson each garner 6 percent.  Last month Christie was at 4 percent and Carson at 11 percent.

White evangelical Christians are most likely to support Huckabee (13 percent), Paul (11 percent), Cruz and Rubio (10 percent each).

Top picks among the Tea Party include Walker (19 percent), Rubio (14 percent), Paul (13 percent), Huckabee and Cruz (10 percent each).

In the quest for the Democratic nomination, former Sec. of State Hillary Clinton remains on top with 62 percent support among self-identified Democratic primary voters.  She’s the only declared candidate on the Democratic side.  Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren (12 percent) and Vice President Joe Biden (9 percent) lag far behind.

Despite far fewer options, Democratic primary voters (71 percent) are a tad bit more likely than their GOP counterparts (67 percent) to say they are satisfied with their 2016 choices.

The Bush dynasty is seen as a negative while the Clinton dynasty is a positive.  By a 58-34 percent margin, voters say being related to previous presidents is a disadvantage for Jeb Bush, yet by a 52-39 percent margin they think it’s an advantage for Hillary Clinton.

Republicans say the Bush dynasty is a negative, yet Democrats view the Clinton dynasty as a positive.

A leader of the Future or the Past?

Who’s a leader of the future?  Rubio tops that list.  Voters see him “more as a leader of the future” (50 percent) than the past (21 percent) by a 29-point margin.

That dwarfs the numbers who see Paul (by 12 points), Warren (by 11 points) and Walker (by 10 points) as leaders of the future.  By a 2-point margin, more see Clinton as a leader of the future (43 percent) than the past (41 percent).

Biden (by 33 points) and Bush (by 17 points) are the only two seen more as leaders of the past.

Honest and Trustworthy

Of those tested on the poll, Clinton, Biden and Cruz fare the worst on the “honest and trustworthy” question.

Currently, 45 percent of voters think Clinton is honest.  That’s mostly unchanged from last month, but down 9 points from 54 percent a year ago (April 2014).  She lost ground among men (-10 points), women (-9 points) and Democrats (-7 points).  Moreover, only 33 percent of independents see Clinton as honest. That’s down 13 points since last year.

Overall, Clinton’s honesty score is negative six (45 percent “yes, she is” minus 51 percent “no, she isn’t”), Biden’s is negative four (44-48 percent) and for Cruz it’s negative one (37-38 percent).

On the positive side: Rubio (+13), Paul (+12) and Carson (+7) score best on the honesty measure.  Bush (+4) and Walker (+4) are also in positive territory.

Clinton is the only one who has a majority saying she is not honest and trustworthy (51 percent).  Still, it’s important to remember that, many on the GOP side are largely unfamiliar to voters.  As a result, 43 percent are unable to rate Carson’s honesty, 34 percent are unable to rate Walker, 25 percent are unable to rate Cruz and 24 percent Rubio.

Voters are getting more familiar with Rubio since his announcement.  The portion unable to rate his honesty dropped from 39 percent last month to 24 percent today.  Being better known cuts both ways:  both the number saying Rubio is honest (+10) and the number saying he isn’t (+6 points) went up since March.

Hypothetical Matchups

Clinton bests each of the Republicans tested in hypothetical matchups for a 2016 presidential contest: she leads Paul 46-43 percent, Bush 45-41 percent, Rubio 46-42 percent, Cruz 47-42 percent and Walker 46-40 percent.  In each of these matchups the candidates are at or within the margin of sampling error of each other.


Pollpourri

The poll asks voters whether Clinton “seems too old” and if Rubio “seems too young” to be president.  Nope. And nope.  About one in five (19 percent) says Clinton seems too old and the same number says Rubio seems too young (19 percent).

Those ages 35-54 are the most likely to feel Rubio seems too young (22 percent).  That drops to 15 percent among voters under 35.  Rubio is 43 years old.

Voters ages 65 and over are the most likely to say Clinton seems too old (26 percent) and they are more than twice as likely as voters under 35 to feel that way (11 percent).  Clinton is 67.

The Fox News poll is based on landline and cell phone interviews with 1,012 randomly chosen registered voters nationwide and was conducted under the joint direction of Anderson Robbins Research (D) and Shaw & Company Research (R) from April 19-21, 2015. The full poll has a margin of sampling error of plus or minus three percentage points. The results among Democratic and Republican primary voters have an error of plus or minus five points.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/04/23/fox-news-poll-rubio-jumps-to-head-2016-gop-pack-clinton-honesty-questioned/

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Re: Election 2016
« Reply #18 on: April 23, 2015, 06:35:06 PM »
She's definitely going to be formidable.  Not because she is a stellar, but because the MSM will prop her up and cover her sins

If only the republicans could create their own news network.  You know, one that would be fair and balanced.  it could be #1 in cable news.  Maybe they could invent some #1 newsprint and website too.   Then things could even out.  They could have a TV network bashing obama 24/7, and then it could bash hilary 24/7.

If only.  But we live in a world where the "mainstream media" is why Hilary will win, and not because we live in a country where 51% of the nation are mother fcking liberals.  Right?

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Re: Election 2016
« Reply #19 on: April 23, 2015, 06:47:04 PM »
If only the republicans could create their own news network.  You know, one that would be fair and balanced.  it could be #1 in cable news.  Maybe they could invent some #1 newsprint and website too.   Then things could even out.  They could have a TV network bashing obama 24/7, and then it could bash hilary 24/7.

If only.  But we live in a world where the "mainstream media" is why Hilary will win, and not because we live in a country where 51% of the nation are mother fcking liberals.  Right?

Good one.

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Re: Election 2016
« Reply #20 on: April 23, 2015, 07:00:03 PM »
Good one.

it just pisses me off, after the last 2 obama landslid-ish wins, to see repubs conceding the election 18 months ahead of time, and already blaming "the media" for their loss.

"I'll try my best, but the other team will probably win because the refs hate us..."

Instead, they should tell us what they would do BETTER.  All i hear from Rand is "hilary bad".  But I dont know what in the world Rand even stands for.  none of us do, since he has been tea party and RINO in the past 3 years.

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Re: Election 2016
« Reply #21 on: April 23, 2015, 07:25:57 PM »
If only the republicans could create their own news network.  You know, one that would be fair and balanced.  it could be #1 in cable news.  Maybe they could invent some #1 newsprint and website too.   Then things could even out.  They could have a TV network bashing obama 24/7, and then it could bash hilary 24/7.

If only.  But we live in a world where the "mainstream media" is why Hilary will win, and not because we live in a country where 51% of the nation are mother fcking liberals.  Right?

Wrong you dishonest troll. 

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Re: Election 2016
« Reply #22 on: April 23, 2015, 08:31:45 PM »
If only the republicans could create their own news network.  You know, one that would be fair and balanced.  it could be #1 in cable news.  Maybe they could invent some #1 newsprint and website too.   Then things could even out.  They could have a TV network bashing obama 24/7, and then it could bash hilary 24/7.

If only.  But we live in a world where the "mainstream media" is why Hilary will win, and not because we live in a country where 51% of the nation are mother fcking liberals.  Right?

Did you forget about FOX? All the folks on the right that I know watch FOX.

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Re: Election 2016
« Reply #23 on: April 23, 2015, 08:44:13 PM »
it just pisses me off, after the last 2 obama landslid-ish wins, to see repubs conceding the election 18 months ahead of time, and already blaming "the media" for their loss.

"I'll try my best, but the other team will probably win because the refs hate us..."

Instead, they should tell us what they would do BETTER.  All i hear from Rand is "hilary bad".  But I dont know what in the world Rand even stands for.  none of us do, since he has been tea party and RINO in the past 3 years.

Their agenda is to serve the top 1% even if that means killing off the middleclass. They cant run on this so they create an enemy to take focus away.
Dictators all over use this method all the time. If you convince and scare the population enough you can do almost anything.

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Re: Election 2016
« Reply #24 on: April 23, 2015, 09:21:14 PM »
Did you forget about FOX? All the folks on the right that I know watch FOX.

yep, i was being sarcastic.   Repubs play this big victim card, blaming channels like MSNBC that nobody watches, any time a dem wins.  yet these same networks were powerless to stop Bush, oddly ;)