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Illegals are sueing for 'Civil Rights" violations.......they're lucky the dude blow their heads off. He had every right too seeing it was HIS land they were crossing >:(
An Arizona man who has waged a 10-year campaign to stop a flood of illegal immigrants from crossing his property is being sued by 16 Mexican nationals who accuse him of conspiring to violate their civil rights when he stopped them at gunpoint on his ranch on the U.S.-Mexico border.
Roger Barnett, 64, began rounding up illegal immigrants in 1998 and turning them over to the U.S. Border Patrol, he said, after they destroyed his property, killed his calves and broke into his home.
His Cross Rail Ranch near Douglas, Ariz., is known by federal and county law enforcement authorities as "the avenue of choice" for immigrants seeking to enter the United States illegally.
Trial continues Monday in the federal lawsuit, which seeks $32 million in actual and punitive damages for civil rights violations, the infliction of emotional distress and other crimes. Also named are Mr. Barnett's wife, Barbara, his brother, Donald, and Larry Dever, sheriff in Cochise County, Ariz., where the Barnetts live. The civil trial is expected to continue until Friday.
The lawsuit is based on a March 7, 2004, incident in a dry wash on the 22,000-acre ranch, when he approached a group of illegal immigrants while carrying a gun and accompanied by a large dog.
Attorneys for the immigrants - five women and 11 men who were trying to cross illegally into the United States - have accused Mr. Barnett of holding the group captive at gunpoint, threatening to turn his dog loose on them and saying he would shoot anyone who tried to escape.
The immigrants are represented at trial by the Mexican American Legal Defense and Educational Fund (MALDEF), which also charged that Sheriff Dever did nothing to prevent Mr. Barnett from holding their clients at "gunpoint, yelling obscenities at them and kicking one of the women."
In the lawsuit, MALDEF said Mr. Barnett approached the group as the immigrants moved through his property, and that he was carrying a pistol and threatening them in English and Spanish. At one point, it said, Mr. Barnett's dog barked at several of the women and he yelled at them in Spanish, "My dog is hungry and he's hungry for buttocks."
The lawsuit said he then called his wife and two Border Patrol agents arrived at the site. It also said Mr. Barnett acknowledged that he had turned over 12,000 illegal immigrants to the Border Patrol since 1998.
In March, U.S. District Judge John Roll rejected a motion by Mr. Barnett to have the charges dropped, ruling there was sufficient evidence to allow the matter to be presented to a jury. Mr. Barnett's attorney, David Hardy, had argued that illegal immigrants did not have the same rights as U.S. citizens.
Mr. Barnett told The Washington Times in a 2002 interview that he began rounding up illegal immigrants after they started to vandalize his property, northeast of Douglas along Arizona Highway 80. He said the immigrants tore up water pumps, killed calves, destroyed fences and gates, stole trucks and broke into his home.
Some of his cattle died from ingesting the plastic bottles left behind by the immigrants, he said, adding that he installed a faucet on an 8,000-gallon water tank so the immigrants would stop damaging the tank to get water.
Mr. Barnett said some of the ranch´s established immigrant trails were littered with trash 10 inches deep, including human waste, used toilet paper, soiled diapers, cigarette packs, clothes, backpacks, empty 1-gallon water bottles, chewing-gum wrappers and aluminum foil - which supposedly is used to pack the drugs the immigrant smugglers give their "clients" to keep them running.
He said he carried a pistol during his searches for the immigrants and had a rifle in his truck "for protection" against immigrant and drug smugglers, who often are armed.
ASSOCIATED PRESS DEFENDANT: Roger Barnett said he had turned over 12,000 illegal immigrants to the Border Patrol since 1998.
A former Cochise County sheriff´s deputy who later was successful in the towing and propane business, Mr. Barnett spent $30,000 on electronic sensors, which he has hidden along established trails on his ranch. He searches the ranch for illegal immigrants in a pickup truck, dressed in a green shirt and camouflage hat, with his handgun and rifle, high-powered binoculars and a walkie-talkie.
His sprawling ranch became an illegal-immigration highway when the Border Patrol diverted its attention to several border towns in an effort to take control of the established ports of entry. That effort moved the illegal immigrants to the remote areas of the border, including the Cross Rail Ranch.
"This is my land. I´m the victim here," Mr. Barnett said. "When someone´s home and loved ones are in jeopardy and the government seemingly can´t do anything about it, I feel justified in taking matters into my own hands. And I always watch my back."
http://washingtontimes.com/news/2009/feb/09/16-illegals-sue-arizona-rancher/
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This MUST be Obama's fault, right Coach? ::)
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He should have just shot them and dumped them in a ditch. His mistake was turning the over to authorities.... ;D
Seriously, WTF? Some slimy lawyer is behind it for sure.
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Illegals SHOULD NOT have legal rights. What the hell is this country coming to?
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This MUST be Obama's fault, right Coach? ::)
Might not be him directly, but it is his Party that is doing this kind of CRAP! Liberal Lawyers.... ACLU at it's finest... Crock of shit honestly.
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Might not be him directly...
You think? You're going soft on him.
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Might not be him directly, but it is his Party that is doing this kind of CRAP! Liberal Lawyers.... ACLU at it's finest... Crock of shit honestly.
Didn't Bush and Mccain also support that illegal amnesty act? ;)
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Didn't Bush and Mccain also support that illegal amnesty act? ;)
Yeah but if McCain won I could just fantasize about banging Sara Palin in the White House, and wouldn't be concerned with trivial matters like illegal immigration.
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Didn't Bush and Mccain also support that illegal amnesty act? ;)
By no means am I saying other hands aren't dirty with the policy. Both sides have dropped the ball on this. It is liberal lawyers that want their 15 minutes of fame on this kind of stuff....
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F'n ridiculous.
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Relax/chill, Coach. I would assume that a jury of his peers will be buying the rounds for him once the trial is over. ;)
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Illegals are sueing for 'Civil Rights" violations.......they're lucky the dude blow their heads off. He had every right too seeing it was HIS land they were crossing >:(
An Arizona man who has waged a 10-year campaign to stop a flood of illegal immigrants from crossing his property is being sued by 16 Mexican nationals who accuse him of conspiring to violate their civil rights when he stopped them at gunpoint on his ranch on the U.S.-Mexico border.
Roger Barnett, 64, began rounding up illegal immigrants in 1998 and turning them over to the U.S. Border Patrol, he said, after they destroyed his property, killed his calves and broke into his home.
His Cross Rail Ranch near Douglas, Ariz., is known by federal and county law enforcement authorities as "the avenue of choice" for immigrants seeking to enter the United States illegally.
Trial continues Monday in the federal lawsuit, which seeks $32 million in actual and punitive damages for civil rights violations, the infliction of emotional distress and other crimes. Also named are Mr. Barnett's wife, Barbara, his brother, Donald, and Larry Dever, sheriff in Cochise County, Ariz., where the Barnetts live. The civil trial is expected to continue until Friday.
The lawsuit is based on a March 7, 2004, incident in a dry wash on the 22,000-acre ranch, when he approached a group of illegal immigrants while carrying a gun and accompanied by a large dog.
Attorneys for the immigrants - five women and 11 men who were trying to cross illegally into the United States - have accused Mr. Barnett of holding the group captive at gunpoint, threatening to turn his dog loose on them and saying he would shoot anyone who tried to escape.
The immigrants are represented at trial by the Mexican American Legal Defense and Educational Fund (MALDEF), which also charged that Sheriff Dever did nothing to prevent Mr. Barnett from holding their clients at "gunpoint, yelling obscenities at them and kicking one of the women."
In the lawsuit, MALDEF said Mr. Barnett approached the group as the immigrants moved through his property, and that he was carrying a pistol and threatening them in English and Spanish. At one point, it said, Mr. Barnett's dog barked at several of the women and he yelled at them in Spanish, "My dog is hungry and he's hungry for buttocks."
The lawsuit said he then called his wife and two Border Patrol agents arrived at the site. It also said Mr. Barnett acknowledged that he had turned over 12,000 illegal immigrants to the Border Patrol since 1998.
In March, U.S. District Judge John Roll rejected a motion by Mr. Barnett to have the charges dropped, ruling there was sufficient evidence to allow the matter to be presented to a jury. Mr. Barnett's attorney, David Hardy, had argued that illegal immigrants did not have the same rights as U.S. citizens.
Mr. Barnett told The Washington Times in a 2002 interview that he began rounding up illegal immigrants after they started to vandalize his property, northeast of Douglas along Arizona Highway 80. He said the immigrants tore up water pumps, killed calves, destroyed fences and gates, stole trucks and broke into his home.
Some of his cattle died from ingesting the plastic bottles left behind by the immigrants, he said, adding that he installed a faucet on an 8,000-gallon water tank so the immigrants would stop damaging the tank to get water.
Mr. Barnett said some of the ranch´s established immigrant trails were littered with trash 10 inches deep, including human waste, used toilet paper, soiled diapers, cigarette packs, clothes, backpacks, empty 1-gallon water bottles, chewing-gum wrappers and aluminum foil - which supposedly is used to pack the drugs the immigrant smugglers give their "clients" to keep them running.
He said he carried a pistol during his searches for the immigrants and had a rifle in his truck "for protection" against immigrant and drug smugglers, who often are armed.
ASSOCIATED PRESS DEFENDANT: Roger Barnett said he had turned over 12,000 illegal immigrants to the Border Patrol since 1998.
A former Cochise County sheriff´s deputy who later was successful in the towing and propane business, Mr. Barnett spent $30,000 on electronic sensors, which he has hidden along established trails on his ranch. He searches the ranch for illegal immigrants in a pickup truck, dressed in a green shirt and camouflage hat, with his handgun and rifle, high-powered binoculars and a walkie-talkie.
His sprawling ranch became an illegal-immigration highway when the Border Patrol diverted its attention to several border towns in an effort to take control of the established ports of entry. That effort moved the illegal immigrants to the remote areas of the border, including the Cross Rail Ranch.
"This is my land. I´m the victim here," Mr. Barnett said. "When someone´s home and loved ones are in jeopardy and the government seemingly can´t do anything about it, I feel justified in taking matters into my own hands. And I always watch my back."
http://washingtontimes.com/news/2009/feb/09/16-illegals-sue-arizona-rancher/
FUCKING OUTRAGEOUS!
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ASSOCIATED PRESS DEFENDANT: Roger Barnett said he had turned over 12,000 illegal immigrants to the Border Patrol since 1998.
instead of being sued by a bunch of filthy illegal wetbacks, this man should be under review for time magazine's man of the year.
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instead of being sued by a bunch of filthy illegal wetbacks, this man should be under review for time magazine's man of the year.
You got that right....
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Politicians have been playing both sides of this issue for too long. Change the law so children of illegals don't become citizens and kick them all the hell out.
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Politicians have been playing both sides of this issue for too long. Change the law so children of illegals don't become citizens and kick them all the hell out.
YES !!!! Doc is on point here.
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Its not just America's problem,Ireland is full of unwanted Nigerians and Romanian gypsies,and yes when they re-spawn the spawn is legally an Irish citizen
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How does Tony "Freeman" tie into this? I think I will have go report this awesome bodybuilding thread
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Toney Freeman?? Is he one of those musclebuilder fellows?
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Only in the US! Unreal! ???
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Toney Freeman?? Is he one of those musclebuilder fellows?
he sure is fella
Regards Team No Offtopic in the Gossip
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How does Tony "Freeman" tie into this? I think I will have go report this awesome bodybuilding thread
Stark? are you serious? Tony freeman is a big proponent of closing off the border. I think I will report you for being ignorant. I will recommend at least a week ban for you and your ignorance.
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Stark? are you serious? Tony freeman is a big proponent of closing off the border. I think I will report you for being ignorant. I will recommend at least a week ban for you and your ignorance.
Go right ahead fella, whats right is right I take my punishment like a man
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Illegals are sueing for 'Civil Rights" violations.......they're lucky the dude blow their heads off. He had every right too seeing it was HIS land they were crossing >:(
An Arizona man who has waged a 10-year campaign to stop a flood of illegal immigrants from crossing his property is being sued by 16 Mexican nationals who accuse him of conspiring to violate their civil rights when he stopped them at gunpoint on his ranch on the U.S.-Mexico border.
Roger Barnett, 64, began rounding up illegal immigrants in 1998 and turning them over to the U.S. Border Patrol, he said, after they destroyed his property, killed his calves and broke into his home.
His Cross Rail Ranch near Douglas, Ariz., is known by federal and county law enforcement authorities as "the avenue of choice" for immigrants seeking to enter the United States illegally.
Trial continues Monday in the federal lawsuit, which seeks $32 million in actual and punitive damages for civil rights violations, the infliction of emotional distress and other crimes. Also named are Mr. Barnett's wife, Barbara, his brother, Donald, and Larry Dever, sheriff in Cochise County, Ariz., where the Barnetts live. The civil trial is expected to continue until Friday.
The lawsuit is based on a March 7, 2004, incident in a dry wash on the 22,000-acre ranch, when he approached a group of illegal immigrants while carrying a gun and accompanied by a large dog.
Attorneys for the immigrants - five women and 11 men who were trying to cross illegally into the United States - have accused Mr. Barnett of holding the group captive at gunpoint, threatening to turn his dog loose on them and saying he would shoot anyone who tried to escape.
The immigrants are represented at trial by the Mexican American Legal Defense and Educational Fund (MALDEF), which also charged that Sheriff Dever did nothing to prevent Mr. Barnett from holding their clients at "gunpoint, yelling obscenities at them and kicking one of the women."
In the lawsuit, MALDEF said Mr. Barnett approached the group as the immigrants moved through his property, and that he was carrying a pistol and threatening them in English and Spanish. At one point, it said, Mr. Barnett's dog barked at several of the women and he yelled at them in Spanish, "My dog is hungry and he's hungry for buttocks."
The lawsuit said he then called his wife and two Border Patrol agents arrived at the site. It also said Mr. Barnett acknowledged that he had turned over 12,000 illegal immigrants to the Border Patrol since 1998.
In March, U.S. District Judge John Roll rejected a motion by Mr. Barnett to have the charges dropped, ruling there was sufficient evidence to allow the matter to be presented to a jury. Mr. Barnett's attorney, David Hardy, had argued that illegal immigrants did not have the same rights as U.S. citizens.
Mr. Barnett told The Washington Times in a 2002 interview that he began rounding up illegal immigrants after they started to vandalize his property, northeast of Douglas along Arizona Highway 80. He said the immigrants tore up water pumps, killed calves, destroyed fences and gates, stole trucks and broke into his home.
Some of his cattle died from ingesting the plastic bottles left behind by the immigrants, he said, adding that he installed a faucet on an 8,000-gallon water tank so the immigrants would stop damaging the tank to get water.
Mr. Barnett said some of the ranch´s established immigrant trails were littered with trash 10 inches deep, including human waste, used toilet paper, soiled diapers, cigarette packs, clothes, backpacks, empty 1-gallon water bottles, chewing-gum wrappers and aluminum foil - which supposedly is used to pack the drugs the immigrant smugglers give their "clients" to keep them running.
He said he carried a pistol during his searches for the immigrants and had a rifle in his truck "for protection" against immigrant and drug smugglers, who often are armed.
ASSOCIATED PRESS DEFENDANT: Roger Barnett said he had turned over 12,000 illegal immigrants to the Border Patrol since 1998.
A former Cochise County sheriff´s deputy who later was successful in the towing and propane business, Mr. Barnett spent $30,000 on electronic sensors, which he has hidden along established trails on his ranch. He searches the ranch for illegal immigrants in a pickup truck, dressed in a green shirt and camouflage hat, with his handgun and rifle, high-powered binoculars and a walkie-talkie.
His sprawling ranch became an illegal-immigration highway when the Border Patrol diverted its attention to several border towns in an effort to take control of the established ports of entry. That effort moved the illegal immigrants to the remote areas of the border, including the Cross Rail Ranch.
"This is my land. I´m the victim here," Mr. Barnett said. "When someone´s home and loved ones are in jeopardy and the government seemingly can´t do anything about it, I feel justified in taking matters into my own hands. And I always watch my back."
http://washingtontimes.com/news/2009/feb/09/16-illegals-sue-arizona-rancher/
Bottom line is...they dont have any civil rights under US law, since they werent here legally anyway.....meaning...if they werent trying to cross over illegally, they wouldnt have been here to have whatever "rights" they believe have been violated, in the first place.
Reminds me of the classic, robber breaks into a place and sues the owner when he gets hurt trying to escape...
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THIS IS FUCKIN B/S. SUED BY ILLEGALS ???
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Bob,amazing case here in Ireland a few years ago,a gypsy(we call them nackers) with 80 previous robbery convictions broke into the farmhouse of an old farmer who had been burgled a few times before,so the farmer disturbed him,shot him with a shotgun and they gave the farmer jail!!! Crazy,bottom line is...if you're doing something illegal and you get hurt/shot/killed then fuck you,its you're own fault
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Bottom line is...they dont have any civil rights under US law, since they werent here legally anyway.....meaning...if they werent trying to cross over illegally, they wouldnt have been here to have whatever "rights" they believe have been violated, in the first place.
Reminds me of the classic, robber breaks into a place and sues the owner when he gets hurt trying to escape...
Chick... why do you need to quote the whole post again? dumbass lol
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yes
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its really not right to kidnap anyone whether they are legal citizens or not. Scary if you guys think kidnapping is OK.
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its really not right to kidnap anyone whether they are legal citizens or not. Scary if you guys think kidnapping is OK.
I agree , I hope he loses the case .
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Complete bullshit. The sooner we stop giving ILLEGALS the same rights as Americans, the sooner they will stop coming over here. He should have shot them and dropped them across the border.
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I agree , I hope he loses the case .
What part of "it's his property" and "destroyed property on HIS land" did you people miss?
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He should have just shot them and dumped them in a ditch. His mistake was turning the over to authorities.... ;D
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If more people on the border did this, less of those fuckers would cross.
The US should sell "illegal alien hunters permits".
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What part of "it's his property" and "destroyed property on HIS land" did you people miss?
I think he has the right to have a gun, pull a gun on them and report them to authorities, but no human being should ever be kidnapped and held captive... Its basic human decency....We are just animals if we cannot agree on that.
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I seriously hope some of those ranchers down there are burying some of these illegal scumbags every so often. Fuck sending them back. Arrainge it so they NEVER go back.
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They should have rights....if they are citizens. They are not so they do not apply to them. He did the right thing.
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They should have rights....if they are citizens. They are not so they do not apply to them. He did the right thing.
He should have started shooting and watched them run back to their precious mexico.
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He should have started shooting and watched them run back to their precious mexico.
Hahaha. He should have at least gotten a BB gun and had some fun. Who are the authorities going to believe?
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look, I can't even tolerate seeing a wild animal in a cage, but imagine putting a family of humans in a cage or locked in a room? C'mon we have to agree that this is inhuman...no human should have to experience that. IF they were murderer's it would be justified as self defense but just cause they are trespassing does not justify caging them...I cannot live in a world that sees that as just...whats next allowing the guy to water board them?
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look, I can't even tolerate seeing a wild animal in a cage, but imagine putting a family of humans in a cage or locked in a room? C'mon we have to agree that this is inhuman...no human should have to experience that. IF they were murderer's it would be justified as self defense but just cause they are trespassing does not justify caging them...I cannot live in a world that sees that as just...whats next allowing the guy to water board them?
Detaining them is not a big deal IMO. If he was waiting for the LE agency to show up then he had to keep them detained somewhere.
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whats next allowing the guy to water board them?
If he sees fit to, why not? They were on his property, they don't belong there, fuck 'em.
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look, I can't even tolerate seeing a wild animal in a cage, but imagine putting a family of humans in a cage or locked in a room? C'mon we have to agree that this is inhuman...no human should have to experience that. IF they were murderer's it would be justified as self defense but just cause they are trespassing does not justify caging them...I cannot live in a world that sees that as just...whats next allowing the guy to water board them?
And how do you infer they were caged? He "detained" them but detained does not imply "caged". Anyhow it's not what Barnett is being sued for.
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This is hillarious, a family of mexicans that were probably used to earning 10 pesos a day, suing for 32$ million dollars because of 'emotional damage and abuse' ROFL.
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Politicians have been playing both sides of this issue for too long. Change the law so children of illegals don't become citizens and kick them all the hell out.
Spot on.
It's never going to happen though.
Lobbyist want them here so they can get credit cards and accumulate debt like the rest of Americans.
It's already been decided by the Bilderberg Club.
James Wolfensohn, 9th president of World Bank Group:
"As the rich countries become older, you have problems with immigration, because we're going to need young people, whether it be in Europe or in our country. You have a changing balance on our planet that people don't fully understand, and that's a changing balance on environment, on migration, on youth, on age..."
"It's not going to be possible for Australians or Americans or British or anybody to think that you can just live behind a wall. It might be possible for people of my generation, for some of you, but one thing is certain is it is not true for your kids. They will grow up in a wholly different world..."
"The real challenge for all of us is how our children are going to adjust to a planet that has a totally different balance than the one we have today."
"When you and I grew up, perhaps we were studying American history or Australian history or British history."
"We were learning nothing about Islam. We were learning nothing about Africa. We were learning nothing about India. And we were learning -- at least I was learning -- very little about the developing world other than it was a place for a charity."
MR. MCLAUGHLIN: Who is growing least?
MR. WOLFENSOHN: Well, countries in Europe, probably, at this moment. Russia, for example, is a declining population. Europe is at best stable, and probably smaller.
MR. MCLAUGHLIN: So if one of the potential dinosaurs can be ruled out now, which is Europe because it's not growing in population and therefore productivity -- potential productivity --
MR. WOLFENSOHN: Mmm-hmm.
MR. MCLAUGHLIN: Correct? If you rule them out, then you're down to three. And you're ruling Russia out also, correct?
MR. WOLFENSOHN: Well, Russia will not be an economic power in that sense, because I believe it will grow. I think Russia has potential, but at the moment it's mainly natural resource potential, and it has a declining population. What you're going to see as a challenge in Europe is, who's going to be doing the work? What is the structure of Europe going to be? Is it going to be young people coming from Africa, Turkey? Where are they coming from?
MR. MCLAUGHLIN: Well, that's where they're coming from now.
MR. WOLFENSOHN: Exactly.
MR. MCLAUGHLIN: And that will continue.
MR. WOLFENSOHN: It will continue, and it poses huge problems of a cultural nature and a political nature.
MR. MCLAUGHLIN: Which is what we're experiencing here.
MR. WOLFENSOHN: That's correct. And that's why immigration, which I mentioned before, becomes one of the central issues. It'll be immigration. It'll be environment.
MR. MCLAUGHLIN: So you can understand Huntington's argument about the identity of this country.
MR. WOLFENSOHN: I can understand it, but I hope that it will be a more multi-cultural country. And it's already given the lead to the rest of the world.
END.
There you have it. Since Europeans and Americans are not replacing themselves, immigrants from the third world are necessary to fill the void.
The future population and culture of the United States will be predominately Mexican and Asian.
Transcript:
http://www.mclaughlin.com/library/moo_transcript.htm?id=110
http://www.abc.net.au/am/stories/s339367.htm
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Or, as shown in the Matrix trilogy, a mud race of mixed mullatto's.
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This is hillarious, a family of mexicans that were probably used to earning 10 pesos a day, suing for 32$ million dollars because of 'emotional damage and abuse' ROFL.
Ya, you think there might be a little ACLU faggotry involved here?
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This is hillarious, a family of mexicans that were probably used to earning 10 pesos a day, suing for 32$ million dollars because of 'emotional damage and abuse' ROFL.
Hilarious-No
Fuckin makes me sick-Yes
He should get a reward for scaring those mexicans,a good reward
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He would have been better off shooting all of them and burying them some where out in the pasture... It is screwed up to say, he might might just be ordered to pay that money to the families... A travesty I tell you.
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Some liberal lawyer is trying to make his name with this. You got to be a real piece of shit to defend illegals like this.
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And who is paying him to represent the illegals??? Thats right you taxpayers are,sickening
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this lawsuit isn't going anywhere, just relax you redneck bastard. :D
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How can I be a redneck? im not american
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How can I be a redneck? im not american
said post was directed at "The Coach" you stupid foreigner. :D
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Ah,my stupid foreign ways,tut tut
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nycbull, he held them while he called the police/border agency. What the f-ck do you think he should have done...let them go?
Idiots need to stop sticking up for illegals who tresspass, damage property and help destroy our country. They were on his land trying to break the law. F-ck em. I'm surprised the land owner didn't shoot them.
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Ah,my stupid foreign ways,tut tut
don't worry i forgive you. :)