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I would post this on the steroids board but it is dead. Anyways, I have been running 600 mgs of test prop and 300 mgs of npp per week for the last 6 weeks. For the first 30 days of this cycle, I ran 100 mgs of anadrol a day. I just read something that said to never mix anadrol and npp together? What's that about?
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Mods please move to steroid board.
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I would post this on the steroids board but it is dead. Anyways, I have been running 600 mgs of test prop and 300 mgs of npp per week for the last 6 weeks. For the first 30 days of this cycle, I ran 100 mgs of anadrol a day. I just read something that said to never mix anadrol and npp together? What's that about?
have you ever heard about the npp+anadrol dick ?
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No but my dick has been working fine...forgot to add that I have been running 300 mgs mast prop also...
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have you ever heard about the npp+adrol+prop+mast dick ?
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In out of interest :)
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That's awesome combo, I would personally lower test, add cabaser for prolactin and bump npp to 500-1g range.
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That's awesome combo, I would personally lower test, add cabaser for prolactin and bump npp to 500-1g range.
I was afraid of the "deca dick" so i wanted to keep the test at double the amount of the npp. If fucking wasn't my favorite activity I would take that advice and probably see much better gains.
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Anadrol and NPP together is fine. Anadrol has NO major progesterone activity despite what broscience originally said.
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why ppl still use deca is beyond me ???
I didn't use deca bro, I'm using NPP. Half life of only a few days as opposed to the long ester deca so side effects can be easily controlled. I have a shoulder injury so thought NPP would be a good choice, and it was! Shoulder feels great and my physique is at an entirely different level since I have dropped the drol and lost the water.
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There is nothing wrong with it.
Where did you hear this?
8)
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no one care about any kind of anabolic on this board
only legit questions addressed must mention slin(more than --ius in a day pls), gh(no pu$$y amounts we're talking how many bottles a day), some form of a gh15 bible run, or a well known person(s) "cycle"
other than that use the other board ;)
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I was afraid of the "deca dick" so i wanted to keep the test at double the amount of the npp. If fucking wasn't my favorite activity I would take that advice and probably see much better gains.
There's nothing to be afraid of if you use cabaser.
Gal, test gives some people like me shitton of bloat and NO results. Over 300mg weekly is an overkill for me.
I love nandrolones and tren, along with cabaser for prolactin you do not have to worry about your winkie.
Actually on tren+low prop+cabaser libido is crazy high.
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no one care about any kind of anabolic on this board
only legit questions addressed must mention slin(more than --ius in a day pls), gh(no pu$$y amounts we're talking how many bottles a day), some form of a gh15 bible run, or a well known person(s) "cycle"
other than that use the other board ;)
they defo need the traffic
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I would post this on the steroids board but it is dead. Anyways, I have been running 600 mgs of test prop and 300 mgs of npp per week for the last 6 weeks. For the first 30 days of this cycle, I ran 100 mgs of anadrol a day. I just read something that said to never mix anadrol and npp together? What's that about?
Forgive my ignorance but what is "npp"? Equipoise?
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Forgive my ignorance but what is "npp"? Equipoise?
It's is basically a short ester version of Deca, I feel like an idiot saying deca cause the proper name is nandrolone and deca is just the ester life but we come to know the steroid nandrolone as deca so that is why I say that.
NPP stand for nandrolone phenylpropeniate so it is like nandrolone (what we refer to as deca) but with a prop ester. In other words it goes in the blood stream quickly. Really good for contest prep. Personally I do not see the need for it in the off-season or when bulking. So like test prop it needs more frequent injections.
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well, nandrolone is nandrolone, short ester long ester matter fuck all.
still same estrogen issues and limp dick scenario.
theres just some drugs which ppl take simply bc of its outdated reputation, deca is notorious for that.
good luck with the moonface while bulking
I get worse moonface from test higher than 300mg than I'll ever gonna get from deca :/
Limp dick is a question of prolactin, as I stated.
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Why is it that I can't see the steroid board section ??
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Forgive my ignorance but what is "npp"? Equipoise?
lol ::)
grant has anyone told you your quite a funny guy?
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moonface???
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why ppl still use deca is beyond me ???
x2. Lazy pussies who just don't want to inject much.
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I love everyday injections. Prop sucks because of the pip but as long as you inject slowly and massage the muscle afterwards there's no problem. And I hate these pussy ass 1 inch pins I've been using. I ran out of 1 and halfs. Those are the shit.
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moonface???
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=461297.0;attach=506948;image)
This is on deca? No hating, but you look like an average nattie on this pic. How's your diet?
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This is on deca? No hating, but you look like an average nattie on this pic. How's your diet?
Really? I know I'm not huge, but I think I look pretty good. You guys must realize I'm a fucking midget ( 5'4 on a good day) and that if I get too big I'll look like an idiot= no pussy. I get pussy all day (not trying to brag) with this physique. And that pic was taken after 8 weeks of sustanon at 500 mgs per week. I had been on NPP at 300 mgs per week for about a week in that pic. Also, because I'm running NPP which tends to bloat, my diet is pretty low calorie. Like i said, I don't want to get too big since I'm short. Curently I'm at about 165 lbs, veins everywhere, sepertaed quads, just ripped. And imo, pretty nice sized and shaped muscles.
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This is on deca? No hating, but you look like an average nattie on this pic. How's your diet?
retarded post
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Really? I know I'm not huge, but I think I look pretty good. You guys must realize I'm a fucking midget ( 5'4 on a good day) and that if I get too big I'll look like an idiot= no pussy. I get pussy all day (not trying to brag) with this physique. And that pic was taken after 8 weeks of sustanon at 500 mgs per week. I had been on NPP at 300 mgs per week for about a week in that pic. Also, because I'm running NPP which tends to bloat, my diet is pretty low calorie. Like i said, I don't want to get too big since I'm short. Curently I'm at about 165 lbs, veins everywhere, sepertaed quads, just ripped. And imo, pretty nice sized and shaped muscles.
You look good man. Everyone looks like a nattie compared to all the Mr. Olympia caliber builds on getbig ::). You have to have serious mass to look otherworldly in the FDB. Looks like you some good arms.
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It's is basically a short ester version of Deca, I feel like an idiot saying deca cause the proper name is nandrolone and deca is just the ester life but we come to know the steroid nandrolone as deca so that is why I say that.
NPP stand for nandrolone phenylpropeniate so it is like nandrolone (what we refer to as deca) but with a prop ester. In other words it goes in the blood stream quickly. Really good for contest prep. Personally I do not see the need for it in the off-season or when bulking. So like test prop it needs more frequent injections.
You personally like NPP, OTH? I am an EQ junkie myself and not a big fan of deca but NPP really interests me for some reason.
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You personally like NPP, OTH? I am an EQ junkie myself and not a big fan of deca but NPP really interests me for some reason.
I'd take NPP over EQ any day of the week. MUCH faster kick in, cheaper, and better mass gains. Also, doesn't speed up your appetite and make you want to eat doritos all day
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why ppl still use deca is beyond me ???
Why? Deca always worked wonders with me, especially in small doses.
I never had a problem with it.
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NO thanks on the ABombs
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NO thanks on the ABombs
word... for most guys its a shit drug. its only benefit is to someone with a SERIOUS amount of muscle on them, then theyll look nasty....
I was fucking with it before I built a decent amount of size and just ended up looking like a stocky furniture mover.
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100mg anadrol= gram of test thickness wise
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I'd take NPP over EQ any day of the week. MUCH faster kick in, cheaper, and better mass gains. Also, doesn't speed up your appetite and make you want to eat doritos all day
NPP is good stuff.very affordable and good strength gains.kinda like tren without fat loss/attitude :)
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It's is basically a short ester version of Deca, I feel like an idiot saying deca cause the proper name is nandrolone and deca is just the ester life but we come to know the steroid nandrolone as deca so that is why I say that.
NPP stand for nandrolone phenylpropeniate so it is like nandrolone (what we refer to as deca) but with a prop ester. In other words it goes in the blood stream quickly. Really good for contest prep. Personally I do not see the need for it in the off-season or when bulking. So like test prop it needs more frequent injections.
NPP is great during off season when blasting high mg's of gear. The baseline is typically 1,000+mg's of test and 800+mg's of deca. Thats cruising essentially. when you are blasting upward to 2g's of deca in a 6-8 week period its much better to do the rest with NPP. Same reason for using test prop in the offseason.
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You personally like NPP, OTH? I am an EQ junkie myself and not a big fan of deca but NPP really interests me for some reason.
Thanks for the props bro. I'm pretty sure I don't look nattie, especially since I'm a midgit. And I'm pretty strong too. Deadlifted 405 the other day clrean with no straps and repped 225 on the incline for 8 clean reps. As for the NPP, it was between that and Tren. And NPP just interested me as well. I really like it but am dieing to try some EQ myself. I was thinking about running EQ with some winstrol and prop for the summer, but not sure about EQ as a cutter since its supposed to make you hungry as shit. What you think? Here's a side chest shot taken tonight.
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BFG,
i was wondering what you thought of NPP/tne pre-workout.
ive done this myself and had benefit.
thanks.
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BFG,
i was wondering what you thought of NPP/tne pre-workout.
ive done this myself and had benefit.
thanks.
Many, myself included, prefer taking most short esters pre workout. most do it in the muscle about to be trained for the fascia stretch. 1cc tren a, 1-2cc's TNE, 1 cc liquid d, 1 cc liquid abombs, etc etc
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few years ago a buddy of mine made a bunch of NPP and i got a bunch them.i barely knew anything about it other than a deca of sorts.
in a month or so the soild gains and strength were impessive.
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NO thanks to the Deca Dick too
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NO thanks to the Deca Dick too
I hear that but my dick is working overtime even though I'm at 300 mgs of NPP. As long as you keep the test higher, like for me I'm at 600 mgs prop, you will be straight. the 300 mgs of mast prop isn't hurting either :D
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NPP is great during off season when blasting high mg's of gear. The baseline is typically 1,000+mg's of test and 800+mg's of deca. Thats cruising essentially. when you are blasting upward to 2g's of deca in a 6-8 week period its much better to do the rest with NPP. Same reason for using test prop in the offseason.
Can't argue with that.^^^
You personally like NPP, OTH? I am an EQ junkie myself and not a big fan of deca but NPP really interests me for some reason.
No not really, I am an EQ guy just like you
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Thanks for the props bro. I'm pretty sure I don't look nattie, especially since I'm a midgit. And I'm pretty strong too. Deadlifted 405 the other day clrean with no straps and repped 225 on the incline for 8 clean reps. As for the NPP, it was between that and Tren. And NPP just interested me as well. I really like it but am dieing to try some EQ myself. I was thinking about running EQ with some winstrol and prop for the summer, but not sure about EQ as a cutter since its supposed to make you hungry as shit. What you think? Here's a side chest shot taken tonight.
405lbs deadlift is absolute shit lift, you look good but you're very, very weak :P
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Many, myself included, prefer taking most short esters pre workout. most do it in the muscle about to be trained for the fascia stretch. 1cc tren a, 1-2cc's TNE, 1 cc liquid d, 1 cc liquid abombs, etc etc
fascia stretching is dead theory can,t believe people still buy into it.be careful guys with injecting intramuscular before training that body part you asking for serious inflammation in that area.
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fascia stretching is dead theory can,t believe people still buy into it.be careful guys with injecting intramuscular before training that body part you asking for serious inflammation in that area.
fuck NO., it is Not... what you talking about willis
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405lbs deadlift is absolute shit lift, you look good but you're very, very weak :P
damn bro i only weigh 165 lbs!
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fuck NO., it is Not... what you talking about willis
great Onetimehard free advise self proclaimed nutrition guru.no wonder you still believe that baloney. your muscles can’t grow cause the fascia is so tightly bound its keeping your muscles from growing...do you have any idea how idiotic its sounds.
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great Onetimehard free advise self proclaimed nutrition guru.no wonder you still believe that baloney. your muscles can’t grow cause the fascia is so tightly bound its keeping your muscles from growing...do you have any idea how idiotic its sounds.
lol ok there pal, I still look better then you anyway Mr, anonymous.
All human bodyparts are restricted in growth based on boundaries. This has been proven by biologist and has been experimented greatly by tribal villagers that restrict and confine bodyparts to re-shape them and mold them to their desired shape. The fascia is no different and is there for a reason brainiac, stretch it and the muscle will grow into it. This is scientifically proven and we see it all the time.
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damn bro i only weigh 165 lbs!
I weight the same and I deadlift 190x5, squat 170x2 (deep).
Shooting for 220-230kgx1 deadlift right now.
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Many, myself included, prefer taking most short esters pre workout. most do it in the muscle about to be trained for the fascia stretch. 1cc tren a, 1-2cc's TNE, 1 cc liquid d, 1 cc liquid abombs, etc etc
I've heard this before on the possibility of growth from site injections but I see short esters being used. Is it possible to get the same effect with long esters?
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I've heard this before on the possibility of growth from site injections but I see short esters being used. Is it possible to get the same effect with long esters?
Yes all oil based injections will cause this effect. Now the reason people use the shorter ester is so they can use more oil cause shorter esters are usually lower dosed like 100mg per cc or in some cases even lower and that way you can put more oil in a bodypart and inject it more frequently so to the pros more oil is better because of this reason. So it is not that you can not use long ester juice it is just that it would not yield enough oil to cause this effect.
For example 4 cc of test E is the same as 10 cc of prop mg wise so the prop would be better for site injections.
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Yes all oil based injections will cause this effect. Now the reason people use the shorter ester is so they can use more oil cause shorter esters are usually lower dosed like 100mg per cc or in some cases even lower and that way you can put more oil in a bodypart and inject it more frequently so to the pros more oil is better because of this reason. So it is not that you can not use long ester juice it is just that it would not yield enough oil to cause this effect.
For example 4 cc of test E is the same as 10 cc of prop mg wise so the prop would be better for site injections.
Ah ok that makes sense...thanks for the explanation.
People are always quick to dismiss stuff like this without actually trying it.
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Ah ok that makes sense...thanks for the explanation.
People are always quick to dismiss stuff like this without actually trying it.
It works well, very painful pumps at first but you get used to it I suppose.
My friend has weak arms and he has never done synthol or seo or anything only juice but he does all low mgs and only injects in arms for the last 2 years, no where else and they are starting to take on the synthol look. I think he has 21 inch arms and they were only like 18.5 2 years ago yet he has only gained 25lb, trust me site injections work, it is not a myth how some misinformed people say but you are right about that they have not tried it, only assumption
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Interesting how it can take the appearance of synthol use after a while. Would make me think twice about pinning the same site over and over again....
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Oh shit, so that means my ass will get hyooge lol
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Oh shit, so that means my ass will get hyooge lol
probably already is....just people are afraid to tell you lol
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Interesting how it can take the appearance of synthol use after a while. Would make me think twice about pinning the same site over and over again....
Well what causes the misshape is not synthol it is the fascia streching so yes it can look like synthol but we are talking multiple injections daily in the same muscle foe months and months, so very unlikely unless you are actually trying, 3-5 cc in biceps daily. Now with synthol monsters you see like that wacko on guiness, they are using SEO and are doing 10 cc in the biceps twice a day and 10 cc in the tricep twice a day, just imagine the pain, ouch. :o
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Oh shit, so that means my ass will get hyooge lol
NO, it only work on small muscles, the ass is way to big for that to occur, you would literally need 30 cc per day
EDIT; I put ''some'' meant to put ''small"
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Well what causes the misshape is not synthol it is the fascia streching so yes it can look like synthol but we are talking multiple injections daily in the same muscle foe months and months, so very unlikely unless you are actually trying, 3-5 cc in biceps daily. Now with synthol monsters you see like that wacko on guiness, they are using SEO and are doing 10 cc in the biceps twice a day and 10 cc in the tricep twice a day, just imagine the pain, ouch. :o
ahh ok.. so would you say the misshape is in part due to built up scar tissue as well?
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ahh ok.. so would you say the misshape is in part due to built up scar tissue as well?
No I would say that it is from the fascia stretching but the problem is due to the fascia not stretching evenly. Picture a sausage or a salami, the skin around them is like the fascia around the muscle that gives it its natural shape, so when one end of it gets stretched the muscle will grow into that direction hence the misshape.
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cool.....I get it. 8)
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i think the "no-no" on using that combo might have something to do with blood pressure, since i know anadrol skyrockets it and there's some studies that nandrolone damages the cardiovascular system, so the combination of those two factors would probably not be very good for you. this would seem to concur with some guys i talked to on PM, one who had a heart attack and few others who knew people, the one common factor seemed to be that they all loved their nandrolone
here's the study as well as bill roberts talking about it: http://thinksteroids.com/forum/steroid-forum/nandrolone-toxicity-question-bill-134310596.html
idk, i used to love npp but reading that kind of turned me off from it.
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Fixed
;D
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i think the "no-no" on using that combo might have something to do with blood pressure, since i know anadrol skyrockets it and there's some studies that nandrolone damages the cardiovascular system, so the combination of those two factors would probably not be very good for you. this would seem to concur with some guys i talked to on PM, one who had a heart attack and few others who knew people, the one common factor seemed to be that they all loved their nandrolone
here's the study as well as bill roberts talking about it: http://thinksteroids.com/forum/steroid-forum/nandrolone-toxicity-question-bill-134310596.html
idk, i used to love npp but reading that kind of turned me off from it.
What's your thoughts on EQ vs NPP?
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i think the "no-no" on using that combo might have something to do with blood pressure, since i know anadrol skyrockets it and there's some studies that nandrolone damages the cardiovascular system, so the combination of those two factors would probably not be very good for you. this would seem to concur with some guys i talked to on PM, one who had a heart attack and few others who knew people, the one common factor seemed to be that they all loved their nandrolone
here's the study as well as bill roberts talking about it: http://thinksteroids.com/forum/steroid-forum/nandrolone-toxicity-question-bill-134310596.html
idk, i used to love npp but reading that kind of turned me off from it.
well eq i renal toxic and nandrolone is not....I ran into some problems with eq. was lean as hell and my face was swollen super bloated I stopped fucking with it even upped the test and my face got leaner again. Not to mention I burst the blood vessels in my eyes throwing up from food poisoning one time cause my RBC count was so god damn high.I was on alot though like 1500mg
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well eq i renal toxic and nandrolone is not....I ran into some problems with eq. was lean as hell and my face was swollen super bloated I stopped fucking with it even upped the test and my face got leaner again. Not to mention I burst the blood vessels in my eyes throwing up from food poisoning one time cause my RBC count was so god damn high.I was on alot though like 1500mg
What was the duration of that dose and how did it make you feel other than swollen face? Food poisoning dues to RBC count? Explain that one, if you could
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What was the duration of that dose and how did it make you feel other than swollen face? Food poisoning dues to RBC count? Explain that one, if you could
ok it was during the summer, was on 1200mg-1500mg eq for a long time like 4-6 months. My sex drive went to shit and you know what I nver really got anxiety ??? i just felt "empty" inside all good feelings went out the window sex drive went to shit and became very depressed.
as for the bloody eyes i believe it was caused by polycythemia and the bloody eyes were related somehow....threw up many times never got bloodshot eyes before. ......gums were bleeding alot too. the swollen face was the first sign though.....i stayed away from eq for a while and everything went back to normal.
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What's your thoughts on EQ vs NPP?
never tried EQ to be honest but i'm not against giving it a go.....i'm still doing research on nandrolone, not sure if i've written it off completely but......idunno. i read another study as well (can't seem to find it though) that seems to suggest that nandrolone stimulates growth of a weaker collagen type, so in the long run it might actually be bad for your joints unlike most people think....on the other hand there are conflicting studies as well (http://lib.bioinfo.pl/paper:14551935) that seem to suggest it DOES increase growth of the good collagen as well.
all i know is, if i did run it again it would be mainly for the joint health aspect rather than as the primary means of building mass, i'd probably stack it with something else for that. that study suggests 5mg/kg was effective in stimulating the collagen growth, they didn't indicate how often the rats were redosed though...it seems like they just gave em 1 dose.
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my last cycle was 500mg test p every week 50mg oxys every day and 500 mg npp every week, this cycle was awesome and i got very lean!
very good combo must try it
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never tried EQ to be honest but i'm not against giving it a go.....i'm still doing research on nandrolone, not sure if i've written it off completely but......idunno. i read another study as well (can't seem to find it though) that seems to suggest that nandrolone stimulates growth of a weaker collagen type, so in the long run it might actually be bad for your joints unlike most people think....on the other hand there are conflicting studies as well (http://lib.bioinfo.pl/paper:14551935) that seem to suggest it DOES increase growth of the good collagen as well.
all i know is, if i did run it again it would be mainly for the joint health aspect rather than as the primary means of building mass, i'd probably stack it with something else for that. that study suggests 5mg/kg was effective in stimulating the collagen growth, they didn't indicate how often the rats were redosed though...it seems like they just gave em 1 dose.
My joints feel noticeably improved on nandrolone. And muscles take on a slightly more 3D look. And this is only on 250mg. I'm a huge fan.
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My joints feel noticeably improved on nandrolone. And muscles take on a slightly more 3D look. And this is only on 250mg. I'm a huge fan.
i have a similar experience on 350mg. this was when i first started taking aas and my strength shot up so hard that my joints began to hurt, added in some NPP and they felt great after a week or so. it really killed my cardio ability though, was getting gassed walking up a few flights of stairs.
will probably run it again at 250-350mg sometime. i wonder how it stacks with tren.
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i have a similar experience on 350mg. this was when i first started taking aas and my strength shot up so hard that my joints began to hurt, added in some NPP and they felt great after a week or so. it really killed my cardio ability though, was getting gassed walking up a few flights of stairs.
will probably run it again at 250-350mg sometime. i wonder how it stacks with tren.
I'm experiencing that gassed feeling now, during my first cycle. You think its the deca is to blame? At 5'10, ive gone from 220lbs at 12% to 238 @9% in 8 weeks. I can't tell if it's just the added muscle or if it's like you say, the nandrolone. (And I do 30mjns cardio post workout daily, and eat clean 6 days a week.)
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I'm experiencing that gassed feeling now, during my first cycle. You think its the deca is to blame? At 5'10, ive gone from 220lbs at 12% to 238 @9% in 8 weeks. I can't tell if it's just the added muscle or if it's like you say, the nandrolone. (And I do 30mjns cardio post workout daily, and eat clean 6 days a week.)
i've heard it does have to do with the nandrolone, something about the blood thickening characteristics of it. of course all steroids do this to some degree but nandrolone is supposedly the worst in that regard.
i couldn't find any studies showing it's fat loss characteristic but a lot of people anecdotally seem to agree that it does.