well most people who have 14 inch arms will never know the excruciating and hard work it takes to build big arms, actually i know rich in passing, i hadnt seen him in many years since about 2006 at golds venice, hadnt seen him in 6 years, and one day i was in the golds in hollywood, and he actually came up and asked me how i been doing, you cant fault a guy who goes to the gym everyday and actually lifts.