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Re: Dow Crash Coming To Your 401k (2018)
« Reply #525 on: January 04, 2019, 05:18:11 PM »
"The Dow ended the session up 746.94 points, or 3.3%, at 23,433.16 Meanwhile, the S&P 500 index SPX, +3.43% rose 3.4% at 2,531.94, while the Nasdaq was climbed 4.3% at 6,738.86."

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/stock-market-on-the-verge-of-panic-like-buying-as-dow-surges-nearly-700-points-2019-01-04


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Re: Dow Crash Coming To Your 401k (2018)
« Reply #526 on: January 04, 2019, 05:39:14 PM »
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Re: Dow Crash Coming To Your 401k (2018)
« Reply #530 on: January 06, 2019, 11:48:48 AM »

“As an investor, you have a choice: you can be like the gamblers who try to beat the casino or you can be the casino by investing in total market index funds. It’s an easy choice, once your understand the odds.” -Taylor Larimore

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Re: Dow Crash Coming To Your 401k (2018)
« Reply #531 on: January 06, 2019, 03:27:49 PM »
“As an investor, you have a choice: you can be like the gamblers who try to beat the casino or you can be the casino by investing in total market index funds. It’s an easy choice, once your understand the odds.” -Taylor Larimore

Index funds will not protect you from a market crash.

Just so you are aware of this.

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Re: Dow Crash Coming To Your 401k (2018)
« Reply #532 on: January 06, 2019, 06:01:00 PM »
Index funds will not protect you from a market crash.

Just so you are aware of this.

You don't say.  Neither will actively managed funds, or individual stock picking, or market timing.

Index funds will however protect you from high fees, concentration risk. overlap, and tax inefficiency due to high turnover.

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Re: Dow Crash Coming To Your 401k (2018)
« Reply #533 on: January 07, 2019, 04:58:25 AM »
You don't say.  Neither will actively managed funds, or individual stock picking, or market timing.

Index funds will however protect you from high fees, concentration risk. overlap, and tax inefficiency due to high turnover.

Yes, you are right about those items certainly but when the market tanks indexers lose just like everybody else.

People who have not experienced severe market crashes in the past are in for a shock when it happens to them.  It's an emotional experience.

Thus the smart practice of allocating investments between equities and bonds/cash.  It's seems stupid when the market is climbing to hold low performing investments.

When the market tanks you are glad you did.

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Re: Dow Crash Coming To Your 401k (2018)
« Reply #534 on: January 07, 2019, 07:07:54 AM »
Yes, you are right about those items certainly but when the market tanks indexers lose just like everybody else.

People who have not experienced severe market crashes in the past are in for a shock when it happens to them.  It's an emotional experience.

Thus the smart practice of allocating investments between equities and bonds/cash.  It's seems stupid when the market is climbing to hold low performing investments.

When the market tanks you are glad you did.

If you have been reading my posts in this and other investment threads, I have said many times it's highly advisable to allocate:

A portion to a US total stock market index fund,
A portion to an Intentional total stock market index fund, and
A portion to a US total bond market index fund.

Contribute monthly, weekly or bi-weekly to these funds, rain or shine.

Contribute as much as possible.

Rebalance once a year, on a preset date, to bring your allocations back to target.  That means if your target is 30% US stocks and they've grown to 50%, sell 20% and buy more of the International stock index fund , or the US bond market index fund, or both.

Do this long term, 20 to 30 years.

Keep 3 to 12 months worth of expenses or income in a high yield savings account, an Emergency Fund.  How many months you keep, and whether it's expenses or income depends on personal preference, situation, and risk tolerance.  You can even do a CD ladder if you have plenty of money there and know you won't need it for a long time.

Not sure what you mean by "stupid when the market is climbing to hold low performing investments."  Sounds like market timing to me, and like you're suggesting selling low (low performing investments) and buying high(high performing investment).

How do you know the low performing investment won't climb as soon as yo sell it?  How do you know the high performing investment won't crash as soon as you buy it?  Nobody knows nothing.  You've said it yourself.  

Dollar-cost averaging and re-balancing once a year help the passive investor insure buying low and selling high.

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Re: Dow Crash Coming To Your 401k (2018)
« Reply #535 on: January 07, 2019, 09:03:49 AM »
If you have been reading my posts in this and other investment threads, I have said many times it's highly advisable to allocate:

A portion to a US total stock market index fund,
A portion to an Intentional total stock market index fund, and
A portion to a US total bond market index fund.

Contribute monthly, weekly or bi-weekly to these funds, rain or shine.

Contribute as much as possible.

Rebalance once a year, on a preset date, to bring your allocations back to target.  That means if your target is 30% US stocks and they've grown to 50%, sell 20% and buy more of the International stock index fund , or the US bond market index fund, or both.

Do this long term, 20 to 30 years.

Keep 3 to 12 months worth of expenses or income in a high yield savings account, an Emergency Fund.  How many months you keep, and whether it's expenses or income depends on personal preference, situation, and risk tolerance.  You can even do a CD ladder if you have plenty of money there and know you won't need it for a long time.

Not sure what you mean by "stupid when the market is climbing to hold low performing investments."  Sounds like market timing to me, and like you're suggesting selling low (low performing investments) and buying high(high performing investment).

How do you know the low performing investment won't climb as soon as yo sell it?  How do you know the high performing investment won't crash as soon as you buy it?  Nobody knows nothing.  You've said it yourself.  

Dollar-cost averaging and re-balancing once a year help the passive investor insure buying low and selling high.

Saving this...good stuff

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Re: Dow Crash Coming To Your 401k (2018)
« Reply #536 on: January 07, 2019, 09:41:04 AM »
If you have been reading my posts in this and other investment threads, I have said many times it's highly advisable to allocate:

A portion to a US total stock market index fund,
A portion to an Intentional total stock market index fund, and
A portion to a US total bond market index fund.

Contribute monthly, weekly or bi-weekly to these funds, rain or shine.

Contribute as much as possible.

Rebalance once a year, on a preset date, to bring your allocations back to target.  That means if your target is 30% US stocks and they've grown to 50%, sell 20% and buy more of the International stock index fund , or the US bond market index fund, or both.

Do this long term, 20 to 30 years.

Keep 3 to 12 months worth of expenses or income in a high yield savings account, an Emergency Fund.  How many months you keep, and whether it's expenses or income depends on personal preference, situation, and risk tolerance.  You can even do a CD ladder if you have plenty of money there and know you won't need it for a long time.

Not sure what you mean by "stupid when the market is climbing to hold low performing investments."  Sounds like market timing to me, and like you're suggesting selling low (low performing investments) and buying high(high performing investment).

How do you know the low performing investment won't climb as soon as yo sell it?  How do you know the high performing investment won't crash as soon as you buy it?  Nobody knows nothing.  You've said it yourself.  

Dollar-cost averaging and re-balancing once a year help the passive investor insure buying low and selling high.

What I meant was "some people think it's stupid".

I use the same strategy you do so I agree with you.  I see that I came off as criticizing you but that was not my intention.

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Re: Dow Crash Coming To Your 401k (2018)
« Reply #537 on: January 07, 2019, 10:40:51 AM »
What I meant was "some people think it's stupid".

I use the same strategy you do so I agree with you.  I see that I came off as criticizing you but that was not my intention.

Ah, got it.  That makes sense.  Your past posts on this subject showed you agreed with me on this, so I was surprised.  My mistake.

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Re: Dow Crash Coming To Your 401k (2018)
« Reply #538 on: January 08, 2019, 03:14:42 PM »
Dow climbs more than 200 points to notch its first 3-day winning streak since November

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/01/08/stock-market-us-china-trade-talks-resume-economic-data-in-focus.html

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Re: Dow Crash Coming To Your 401k (2018)
« Reply #539 on: January 08, 2019, 03:17:28 PM »
"Don't just do something, stand there."



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Re: Dow Crash Coming To Your 401k (2018)
« Reply #540 on: January 08, 2019, 03:53:04 PM »
"Don't just do something, stand there."




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Re: Dow Crash Coming To Your 401k (2018)
« Reply #541 on: January 09, 2019, 02:20:26 PM »
Dow and S&P 500 are on the brink of exiting a stock-market correction

A new year, a new market. The Dow Jones Industrial Average and the S&P 500 appear in position to exit correction territory if a multiday rally on risk assets continues apace.

The Dow DJIA, +0.39%  and the S&P 500 SPX, +0.41%  marked a fourth straight gain, at least partly attributed to optimism around three days of talks intended to resolve a protracted dispute around tariffs between China and the U.S., and growing signs that the Federal Reserve is ready to dial back what has been perceived as an aggressive rate-hike path.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/dow-and-sp-500-are-on-the-brink-of-exiting-correction-territory-2019-01-09

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Re: Dow Crash Coming To Your 401k (2018)
« Reply #542 on: January 10, 2019, 01:32:40 PM »
Stock market marks 5th straight gain, Dow, S&P 500 exit correction

All three indexes produced a fifth consecutive finish in the green, which marked the lengthiest for the Dow since a similar period ended Oct. 3 and the longest string of gains for the S&P 500 since the period ended Sept. 14, according to FactSet data. The gains also helped to lift the Dow and the S&P 500 out of correction, defined as a drop of at least 10% from a recent peak.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/stock-market-marks-5th-straight-gain-dow-sp-500-exit-correction-2019-01-10

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Re: Dow Crash Coming To Your 401k (2018)
« Reply #543 on: January 10, 2019, 01:44:27 PM »
Stock market marks 5th straight gain, Dow, S&P 500 exit correction

All three indexes produced a fifth consecutive finish in the green, which marked the lengthiest for the Dow since a similar period ended Oct. 3 and the longest string of gains for the S&P 500 since the period ended Sept. 14, according to FactSet data. The gains also helped to lift the Dow and the S&P 500 out of correction, defined as a drop of at least 10% from a recent peak.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/stock-market-marks-5th-straight-gain-dow-sp-500-exit-correction-2019-01-10

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Re: Dow Crash Coming To Your 401k (2018)
« Reply #544 on: January 10, 2019, 01:48:20 PM »
Radio silence from Mons Venus/Neurotoxin. 

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Re: Dow Crash Coming To Your 401k (2018)
« Reply #545 on: January 11, 2019, 04:16:26 AM »
The market has to go up so it can come down.

It's called "swing theory".



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Re: Dow Crash Coming To Your 401k (2018)
« Reply #546 on: January 11, 2019, 04:27:40 AM »
The market has to go up so it can come down.

It's called "swing theory".




And that's why educated, passive investors are not bothered by down markets, and in fact welcome them.

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Re: Dow Crash Coming To Your 401k (2018)
« Reply #547 on: January 11, 2019, 06:32:57 AM »
And that's why educated, passive investors are not bothered by down markets, and in fact welcome them.

If your close to retirement make sure you have enough in low risk to weather a storm.

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Re: Dow Crash Coming To Your 401k (2018)
« Reply #548 on: January 11, 2019, 06:42:25 AM »
If your close to retirement make sure you have enough in low risk to weather a storm.

Yup, crashes are great for young people already investing mostly if not all in stocks, but not so great for old soon to retire people doing the same.

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Re: Dow Crash Coming To Your 401k (2018)
« Reply #549 on: January 15, 2019, 03:43:13 PM »
US indexes hit one-month highs as Netflix leads tech rally

https://www.orlandosentinel.com/business/sns-bc-financial-markets-20190115-story.html