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Re: Dow Crash Coming To Your 401k
« Reply #1200 on: July 02, 2020, 12:06:00 PM »
One thing is for sure, if Trump wins and pulls the Dow to 40k he'll be building himself a hotel in the shape of his head on Mt. Rushmore.  :D

The dollar might be worth 50% in 2024 but the Dow will be 40k so that's all that matters.

That's all that matters according to who?   More jobs don't matter?

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Re: Dow Crash Coming To Your 401k
« Reply #1201 on: July 02, 2020, 01:50:41 PM »
That's all that matters according to who?   More jobs don't matter?


My point is the increase in money supply has to show up as a positive in markets so people don't notice inflation and maintain confidence in where "their money" is.

You can't seriously think that companies exist to give people jobs? Theoretically the best company - if you were picking a stock - would have zero employees.

The checks going out in the mail this year has totally busted the idea of the labor market as the consumer base. It's dangerous because they really don't know the outcome, they only know they need to increase the amount of dollars in the system.

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Re: Dow Crash Coming To Your 401k
« Reply #1202 on: July 03, 2020, 06:13:59 AM »

My point is the increase in money supply has to show up as a positive in markets so people don't notice inflation and maintain confidence in where "their money" is.

You can't seriously think that companies exist to give people jobs? Theoretically the best company - if you were picking a stock - would have zero employees.

The checks going out in the mail this year has totally busted the idea of the labor market as the consumer base. It's dangerous because they really don't know the outcome, they only know they need to increase the amount of dollars in the system.

Companies exist to make money, and in order to do that they need personnel.  They either hire their own, or pay for services provided by other companies that hire personnel in order to provide those services in order to make money.

Your opinion about long term, passive investing in the stock market did not change because of the checks going out in the mail this year.  Judging by your posts on the subject, you've had the same opinion for years, maybe decades.

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Re: Dow Crash Coming To Your 401k
« Reply #1203 on: July 03, 2020, 09:21:29 AM »
Companies exist to make money, and in order to do that they need personnel.  They either hire their own, or pay for services provided by other companies that hire personnel in order to provide those services in order to make money.

Your opinion about long term, passive investing in the stock market did not change because of the checks going out in the mail this year.  Judging by your posts on the subject, you've had the same opinion for years, maybe decades.


WalMart is testing replacing all their human cashiers with self-checkout.

This is being attributed to Covid but it's also what a $15/min wage gets you.

https://bgr.com/2020/06/17/walmart-self-checkout-no-cashiers-coronavirus/

"While limited human interaction might be a perk in the age of the coronavirus, it’s clear that Walmart is also looking to cut costs if it can. More than any other company you can think of, Walmart is notorious when it comes to pinching pennies and coming up with borderline obsessive ways to limit spending."


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Re: Dow Crash Coming To Your 401k
« Reply #1204 on: July 03, 2020, 09:25:34 AM »

My point is the increase in money supply has to show up as a positive in markets so people don't notice inflation and maintain confidence in where "their money" is.

You can't seriously think that companies exist to give people jobs? Theoretically the best company - if you were picking a stock - would have zero employees.

The checks going out in the mail this year has totally busted the idea of the labor market as the consumer base. It's dangerous because they really don't know the outcome, they only know they need to increase the amount of dollars in the system.

Some good points.

Companies don't exist to provide jobs.  If an employee is no longer needed then the job disappears.

I think it's inevitable the economy moves towards guaranteed income at some point.  Business is becoming more and more automated and less and less employees are needed.  The government will distribute monthly payments to citizens funded by business taxes.

Otherwise no one will have any money to buy products.

There are some hurdles to this.

In such an economy you will only still have businesses if the incentive for wealth creation is intact.  Otherwise why put in the effort to build a business?

If you have wealth now you must protect your wealth by investing in growth assets.  Otherwise inflation will destroy your wealth.  This is nothing new.

You also must protect your wealth and pass it down to your descendents, while employing ways to prevent them squandering it.

Some cash needed for liquidity but otherwise cash is trash. 

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Re: Dow Crash Coming To Your 401k
« Reply #1205 on: July 03, 2020, 09:37:00 AM »
Companies exist to make money, and in order to do that they need personnel.  They either hire their own, or pay for services provided by other companies that hire personnel in order to provide those services in order to make money.

Your opinion about long term, passive investing in the stock market did not change because of the checks going out in the mail this year.  Judging by your posts on the subject, you've had the same opinion for years, maybe decades.


The burger place that uses all robots first...I would invest in that company....for a while.

Said it a million times, technology has a centralizing effect and it has no regard for the needs of people or their jobs. Just look at Amazon if you want to see what the future is, this would have been busted up as a monopoly long ago if anybody was protecting the old way of doing things.

Large companies - pre-covid - how many people were sitting in cubicles doing an hour of work a day for the last 20 years? Now we see it. They are at home "working remotely" yet these companies still run because they are automated for the most part.

And no, I didn't just notice this stuff this year. The old investment system is ripe for change and it's not going to benefit the small retail investor.

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Re: Dow Crash Coming To Your 401k
« Reply #1206 on: July 03, 2020, 12:10:28 PM »

The burger place that uses all robots first...I would invest in that company....for a while.

Said it a million times, technology has a centralizing effect and it has no regard for the needs of people or their jobs. Just look at Amazon if you want to see what the future is, this would have been busted up as a monopoly long ago if anybody was protecting the old way of doing things.

Large companies - pre-covid - how many people were sitting in cubicles doing an hour of work a day for the last 20 years? Now we see it. They are at home "working remotely" yet these companies still run because they are automated for the most part.

And no, I didn't just notice this stuff this year. The old investment system is ripe for change and it's not going to benefit the small retail investor.
Probably 75% of jobs are worthless.  If college graduates today think it is hard finding work just wait 10-20 years down the road.  The whole way we deal with money and taxes will change soon.  If the government sends out UBI they can also fund all departments of government without taxing the people, can they not?  Since almost all financial transactions now are digital there is no paper backing up the dollars on a computer screen.

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Re: Dow Crash Coming To Your 401k
« Reply #1207 on: July 03, 2020, 05:26:00 PM »

WalMart is testing replacing all their human cashiers with self-checkout.

This is being attributed to Covid but it's also what a $15/min wage gets you.

https://bgr.com/2020/06/17/walmart-self-checkout-no-cashiers-coronavirus/

"While limited human interaction might be a perk in the age of the coronavirus, it’s clear that Walmart is also looking to cut costs if it can. More than any other company you can think of, Walmart is notorious when it comes to pinching pennies and coming up with borderline obsessive ways to limit spending."

Throughout history, technology and automation has always threatened old jobs, but also help create new ones.  Companies today still employ millions they need in order to make money.

Walmart employs 2.2 million.  Even if they get rid of all human cashiers, they still need millions of workers for other positions in order to make money.

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Re: Dow Crash Coming To Your 401k
« Reply #1208 on: July 03, 2020, 05:32:39 PM »

The burger place that uses all robots first...I would invest in that company....for a while.

Said it a million times, technology has a centralizing effect and it has no regard for the needs of people or their jobs. Just look at Amazon if you want to see what the future is, this would have been busted up as a monopoly long ago if anybody was protecting the old way of doing things.

Large companies - pre-covid - how many people were sitting in cubicles doing an hour of work a day for the last 20 years? Now we see it. They are at home "working remotely" yet these companies still run because they are automated for the most part.

And no, I didn't just notice this stuff this year. The old investment system is ripe for change and it's not going to benefit the small retail investor.

Amazon employs 840,000 currently, and growing.

I never said technology, companies, businesses have any regard for the needs of people or their jobs.  They don't, and that's okay.  They employ personnel that they need in order to make money.  That's why they exist, to make money.  And by investing in those companies, anyone can share in their profits and benefit from their success. 


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Re: Dow Crash Coming To Your 401k
« Reply #1209 on: July 04, 2020, 07:24:22 AM »
840k jobs at the cost of how many elsewhere over the last 10 years? Amazon model is to be almost no people...what they have now is necessary but not for long. See gif below.

The AMZN retail business makes little profit currently to grab market share. If a manufacturer is selling something well Amazon will get a knockoff made in China and put their own brand on it. What Walmart did to mom and pops and small manufacturers in the 90s they are doing 100x, and nobody with oversight seems to care.

The absolute efficiency of it all is destructive to standard of living and the net result will be a huge underclass of useless eaters that have no idea why they exist. In an era where everything financial is fake and fixed from the top down you could assume it all goes to a plan of some making.



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Re: Dow Crash Coming To Your 401k
« Reply #1210 on: July 14, 2020, 01:10:41 PM »
840k jobs at the cost of how many elsewhere over the last 10 years? Amazon model is to be almost no people...what they have now is necessary but not for long. See gif below.

The AMZN retail business makes little profit currently to grab market share. If a manufacturer is selling something well Amazon will get a knockoff made in China and put their own brand on it. What Walmart did to mom and pops and small manufacturers in the 90s they are doing 100x, and nobody with oversight seems to care.

The absolute efficiency of it all is destructive to standard of living and the net result will be a huge underclass of useless eaters that have no idea why they exist. In an era where everything financial is fake and fixed from the top down you could assume it all goes to a plan of some making.





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Re: Dow Crash Coming To Your 401k
« Reply #1211 on: July 14, 2020, 01:12:06 PM »
Dow rises for a third straight day, rallies more than 500 points as Caterpillar leads

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/13/stock-market-futures-open-to-close-news.html

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Re: Dow Crash Coming To Your 401k
« Reply #1212 on: July 14, 2020, 03:13:41 PM »
Dow rises for a third straight day, rallies more than 500 points as Caterpillar leads

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/13/stock-market-futures-open-to-close-news.html


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Re: Dow Crash Coming To Your 401k
« Reply #1214 on: July 18, 2020, 02:43:12 PM »
QE easing fourth quarter, vacancies in commercial real estate about to cause that bubble to burst, student loan debt. Beware...


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Re: Dow Crash Coming To Your 401k
« Reply #1215 on: July 18, 2020, 03:42:45 PM »
QE easing fourth quarter, vacancies in commercial real estate about to cause that bubble to burst, student loan debt. Beware...


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Re: Dow Crash Coming To Your 401k
« Reply #1216 on: August 03, 2020, 02:41:50 PM »
Stocks rally worldwide, S&P 500 back to within 3% of record



The S&P 500 tacked 0.7% more onto its four-month winning streak, and Big Tech once again led the way. The index rose 23.49 points to 3,294.61 to get within 3% of its record for the first time since February.

The Dow Jones Industrial Average rose 236.08 points, or 0.9%, to 26,664.40. The gains for tech stocks, particularly Microsoft and Apple, pushed the Nasdaq composite up 157.52, or 1.5%, to 10,902.80, another record.

Helping to launch markets higher were reports showing manufacturing activity strengthened across Europe in July by more than economists expected. The gains built higher after a separate report showed U.S. manufacturing growth accelerated last month at a faster pace than economists expected.

https://apnews.com/619c5480c0917bde5bb22643a6cba4d2

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Re: Dow Crash Coming To Your 401k
« Reply #1217 on: August 03, 2020, 03:28:05 PM »
Stocks rally worldwide, S&P 500 back to within 3% of record



The S&P 500 tacked 0.7% more onto its four-month winning streak, and Big Tech once again led the way. The index rose 23.49 points to 3,294.61 to get within 3% of its record for the first time since February.

The Dow Jones Industrial Average rose 236.08 points, or 0.9%, to 26,664.40. The gains for tech stocks, particularly Microsoft and Apple, pushed the Nasdaq composite up 157.52, or 1.5%, to 10,902.80, another record.

Helping to launch markets higher were reports showing manufacturing activity strengthened across Europe in July by more than economists expected. The gains built higher after a separate report showed U.S. manufacturing growth accelerated last month at a faster pace than economists expected.

https://apnews.com/619c5480c0917bde5bb22643a6cba4d2


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Re: Dow Crash Coming To Your 401k
« Reply #1218 on: August 18, 2020, 01:13:06 PM »
S&P 500 rises to a record close, fully wiping out its coronavirus losses

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/08/17/stock-market-futures-open-to-close-news.html



Waiting for crash coming to 401K




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Re: Dow Crash Coming To Your 401k
« Reply #1219 on: August 18, 2020, 01:19:21 PM »
Yippee!

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Re: Dow Crash Coming To Your 401k
« Reply #1220 on: August 18, 2020, 03:22:18 PM »
Yippee!

(Where is Neurotoxin?)


Not until the usual/characteristic/temporary "dip."

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Re: Dow Crash Coming To Your 401k
« Reply #1221 on: August 18, 2020, 06:16:42 PM »

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Re: Dow Crash Coming To Your 401k
« Reply #1222 on: August 19, 2020, 05:15:55 PM »

$SPX 3000 is key

PPT will use all available tools to avoid breach

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Re: Dow Crash Coming To Your 401k
« Reply #1223 on: August 24, 2020, 04:36:45 PM »
Neurotoxin/Mons Venus is the worst prognosticator ever.

S&P, Nasdaq hit records as Trump kicks off RNC and touts coronavirus treatment hopes
By Jonathan Garber  FOXBusiness
https://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/us-stocks-aug-24-2020?fbclid=IwAR2yussMNyQ-YhcevrCSljZaXFY44hvE-3YCiZ19O1KzRYFuYozrhqMplOM

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« Reply #1224 on: August 24, 2020, 04:37:02 PM »
Neurotoxin/Mons Venus is the worst prognosticator ever.

S&P, Nasdaq hit records as Trump kicks off RNC and touts coronavirus treatment hopes
By Jonathan Garber  FOXBusiness
https://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/us-stocks-aug-24-2020?fbclid=IwAR2yussMNyQ-YhcevrCSljZaXFY44hvE-3YCiZ19O1KzRYFuYozrhqMplOM

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