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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => History - Stories - and Memories => Craig Titus & Kelly Ryan Discussions => Topic started by: Ron on December 22, 2005, 10:45:29 PM
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It has now been confirmed what we already knew since Monday, that the name of the victim was 28 year old Melissa James. Sympathies to the family and her friends. This is a tough situation for all.
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Story is as follows:
There is new information as police continue to search for two champion bodybuilders accused of killing a woman and then burning her body. A police report identifies the victim as 28-year-old Melissa James. Her body was found in a burned out car last Wednesday.
James was apparently strangled and then the car was set on fire. Police also say James was a personal assistant living with Craig Titus and his wife, Kelly Ryan. Also in the report, Titus admits to having an affair with Melissa James. Police haven't said if that's a motive.
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Keep this thread about Melissa and info about her. There are other dozens of other threads on Titus and Ryan.
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Rest in Peace.
May justice and the truth be found. And peace for her family.
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I dont know what the story is-maybe she was stealing money-maybe not-but no one deserves to be strangled to death-much less a young person only 28 years old.
Shame on Craig Titus.
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RIP Melissa :(
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Any pics of her?
Word is she competed a few yeas ago at a few fitness contests, possibly at the Miss *Panama*?
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she didnt deserve to be choked out, but come on. its not like this girl was some innocent wholesome girl with good morals.
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No one deserves to die like this >:(
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KLAS-TV broke this story on their website a few hours ago.
http://www.klas-tv.com/Global/story.asp?S=4276166
There is one interesting line in this "new" police report.
Titus admits to having an affair with Melissa James.
That sounds like Titus was questioned by the police before he disappeared.
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You're not going to get the info from the net Ron, as melissa james is too common of a name, and searches like "melissa james" las vegas don't seem to get much (aside from two of them listed in that area).
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no matter what melissa was there are other ways to deal with this, she did not have to die this way
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some of you are the biggest idiots,,,you are probably the same ones that say rape victims deserve it because of the clothes they wear, Nicole Simpson deserved to have her head damn near cut off because of dope, etc etc, the people that DESERVE to die are the likes of Tookie, Ted Bundy those types of murdering scumbags, not whores, sluts, dopers, scumbags, they will kill themselves soon enough. all the "know - it - alls here" just love to hear themselves solve the case and throw peoples names around. When they are convicted, IF they are convicted, they will get whats coming. If they aren't, Im sure we'll see a tv movie or dvd come out. If they have money left, expect the video.
The victim, Melissa James is the victim remember,,,,no matter what happens from here on nout, she will never be back. Sorry but sex and dope and everything else said about her here are not a death sentence.
I agree.....NO ONE DESERVES TO DIE! NO ONE! And no human being has the right to take another person's life. We are all guilty of something, must of us have broken the law somehow, lied, cheated and stolen.... Granted, society has a so called "justice" system to decide a guilty person's fate, and although a lot of times its not perfect, it is in place for a reason. Craig and Kelly will get what they have coming to them soon enough, and Melissa, regardless of her actions, was a victim.
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I dont know what the story is-maybe she was stealing money-maybe not-but no one deserves to be strangled to death-much less a young person only 28 years old.
Shame on Craig Titus.
Exactly.
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They say that Craig admitted to having an affair with Melisa but when would he have done that. They havent found craig yet so was that before the killing and who has he admitted that to???
they questioned him before he was charged
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What is wrong with some of you? Making jokes about this girl and her murder. She was someone's daughter/someone's sister. Would it be so comical if she was your family? I can say first hand it is no joke to have someone in your family murdered (my uncle/godfather was savagely murdered a few years ago). It is very hard to get over, hard to understand and hard to forgive. All I can do is wait for Gary Sampson to pay for what he put my family and 2 other families through.
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Titus probably killed her because she doesn't have a horseface like his wife
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RIP Melissa.
And to some of you show some RESPECT!
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What is wrong with some of you? Making jokes about this girl and her murder. She was someone's daughter/someone's sister. Would it be so comical if she was your family? I can say first hand it is no joke to have someone in your family murdered (my uncle/godfather was savagely murdered a few years ago). It is very hard to get over, hard to understand and hard to forgive. All I can do is wait for Gary Sampson to pay for what he put my family and 2 other families through.
Please! The women is dead and there is nothing that can be done to change that at this point.
I am sure that many of us here have had people we know murdered / die tragically at some point in our lives -- I know I have -- more than once. And, when the people responsible are caught and brought to justice it does not change a thing -- trust me on that too.
Can you tell us a little more about this Gary Sampson situation? A little reprive from all this Titus/Kelly stuff would be nice.
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I was just asking if she was black.
Anyways, I have a theory about life where laughter & celebrating of death is more deserving that crying & sorrow.
Until, its someone in your family strangled and stuffed into a trunk of a car and burned like some trash.
The comments from some of you are really classless.
The comments about Titus and Kelly are one thing but this woman, despite her history didnt deserve this. Her poor family, especially around Christmas, when families are coming together has to go through this shit and the 2 people who can explain it all are no where to be found, really sad.
As always, its the usual idiots like Sarcasm and the like that never risk anything personal about themsleves that are the first to make the most inappropriate comments about someones murder.
Who the f**k needs to know the color of her underwear, dont you have a life or do you just post gay ryhmes all day on here, (DIV)?
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So sad for this poor girl and her Family.
Titus the asshole. I wonder if Titus stranggled her or was it his Wife?
hmmm...
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What is wrong with some of you? Making jokes about this girl and her murder. She was someone's daughter/someone's sister. Would it be so comical if she was your family? I can say first hand it is no joke to have someone in your family murdered (my uncle/godfather was savagely murdered a few years ago). It is very hard to get over, hard to understand and hard to forgive. All I can do is wait for Gary Sampson to pay for what he put my family and 2 other families through.
Good post, this is why getbiggers are **** shit. Feel that bad about themselves, they gotta crack jokes about a female that was murdered. Nothing is funny about this.
***** losers
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Please! The women is dead and there is nothing that can be done to change that at this point.
I am sure that many of us here have had people we know murdered / die tragically at some point in our lives -- I know I have -- more than once. And, when the people responsible are caught and brought to justice it does not change a thing -- trust me on that too.
Can you tell us a little more about this Gary Sampson situation? A little reprive from all this Titus/Kelly stuff would be nice.
I sincerely hope there aren't many of you here that have had to experience such. And by the majority of the posts regarding this situation I would assume there aren't William.
Gary Sampson is sitting nice and cozy on death row while receiving all the annemities the judicial system has to offer until his demise while I sit here and ponder "what gives someone the right to just snuff someone out and think they can get away with it?" You want to know more of my uncle and his murderer, do a search for Gary Sampson.
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can't even imagine.
why Titus had to burn the body.... rather than just take off ???
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The only victim in this crime is the woman who was murdered. Living your life 10 degrees off center doesn't degrade you to the position of deserving to die anyway. Don't pity Craig and Kelly into a position of also becoming victims.
Mourn the loss of Melissa and the loss of the people who you thought were Craig Titus and Kelly Ryan.
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Ah, isn't he that dude that tried to turn himself in to the FBI back in the 90's and they screwed up the phone call or something? NH or MA -- somewhere in NE right?
I will tell you this -- if they put this guy to death it is not going to change one damn thing. In fact, it will only make things worse -- all the families etc. will have to relive the entire thing once again.
There is no way to justify murder -- esp when it is done randomly. But, once that last breath is taken -- there is nothing that can be done to bring the person back.
In this Titus / Kelly situation I think we are going to learn that this women put herself in a very sticky situation -- identity theft is no joke (if that is what sparked this) -- and she paid the price. This was certainly no act of random violence. Should she have been killed? No. But, you have to think of the possible reactions whenever you do something.
Regarding Sampson, yes, he's the dude, but the it happened in 2001 not the 90's. And you're wrong as far as putting him to death not changing anything or making the families (me included) feel worse. It changes the fact that it shows there is a price to pay when taking a life. And it do you think that the families don't relive it every day? Every time you hear about a murder on the TV you think about it, everytime you have any kind of family get together you think about it, everytime you pick up a family album you think about it. I'm not going to debate you again Billy (as you love doing that with me). I'm am telling you from experience how the families feel, and how sick I am to see people poke fun of this girl. No matter what she did to them, she didn't deserve to be murdered. If it is true that she stole from them why didn't they just go to the police and file larceny charges. Cuz they were afraid she would spill the beans about their own criminal activity??? Well, look who's calling the kettle black. They should have just put her on a damn plane and sent her home. Do the I won't tell if you don't tell. I am sure they had the proof to have her prosecuted (forged signatures and such) to hold her quiet. It is all really sad.
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Ive said it for the longest time,
There are some getbig members that need to get THE BOOT. They allow TOO much freedom around here, and it needs to be addressed by the moderators..
its a sespool here for scum. Im mostly over at musclemayhem , and looks like it will be for good. I like it here for the prose that post here sometimes, if they cleaned up the asshole members, this place would be the best place ever.
I agree 100%. GetBig needs to thin the herd in a hurry. The site is going to the shitter and its all because of the constant negativity expressed by a select group of posters. The poor attitudes really cheapen this site, other wise it would be the best. Anyone listening out there?
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rip, specially now during the holidays, it has to be tough for her family :'(
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The whole thing just plan sucks. If he killed her than he must pay. I'm not sure what Nevada's stand is on capital punishment, but if the facts come out and he strangled her, than he deserves no better fate than what she got and that goes for Kelly too.
Cherri I'm sorry for what Gary Sampson did to affect your family. He hurt allot of families and should pay the ultimate price.
I can't imagine what was going through the heads of all parties connected with the killing. Craig's a business man and that's not how to settle business problems. I guess the jail bird mentally thing never goes away and that's basic survival. Steel from me and die. Sad and I feel sorry for the parents of Melissa. Nobody deserves to have their life sniffed out by another man over an argument,no mater how much $ was involved, nobody. May she Rest in Peace :'(
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I'm not one of the negative D.A.'s on this board but I have to agree with some of them. That girl was a thief and lord knows what else. Sure, we don't have all the facts but I'm sure Craig had his reasons to put his hands on her and it must have been a damn good one, too. Had I'd been in dumbass Craig's postition, I'd probably done the same thing. However, Craig left witnesses and paid some clown to do the disposal. Regardless, Craig in trouble.
The only thing working in Craig's favor is that when he's caught, and he will be (if he doesn't commit suicide first), he probably won't get the death penalty because the murder "could" be ruled as a crime of passion.
um crimes of passion dont involve one's wife shopping for 7 liters of lighter fluid at 3 30 am
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We don't even know that she was stealing anything. Titus could've just made that up.
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No one deserves death for embezzlement. Jesus, how many stories of little old ladies absconding with the church fund have been in the news over the years? Or Worldcom, Enron or (insert favorite republican scumbag here).
Poor girl, mixed up with the wrong people.
Sympathy to her family.
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I sincerely hope there aren't many of you here that have had to experience such. And by the majority of the posts regarding this situation I would assume there aren't William.
Gary Sampson is sitting nice and cozy on death row while receiving all the annemities the judicial system has to offer until his demise while I sit here and ponder "what gives someone the right to just snuff someone out and think they can get away with it?" You want to know more of my uncle and his murderer, do a search for Gary Sampson.
Cheri,
I agree 100% with you that some Get-Biggers should show more respect about the James girl. Alot more.. Thats the major reason that I don't read the boards as much as I used to.
However, that being said, I spent 8 months in jail on a drug charge. Jail is an absolutely AWFUL place to be. Death Row is far worse than standard population. For you to refer to living on Death Row as "Nice & Cozy on death row, and receiving all the amenities the judicial system has to offer" shows that you have never spent time in jail.. Nor have the people & prosecutors around you that make the same statement..
The truth is that whether he is EXECUTED or not, you will never be able to forget. That man Simpson is sitting in an 10' x 8' cell, completely isolated from everyone, and paying for the horrible thing that he did to your uncle, and to HIMSELF, and to his own family.
For you to live perpetually frustrated & angry that Simpson hasn't been executed yet is the wrong way to deal with your tragedy. Simpson is living a nightmare because of his actions. Simpson thinks about that day he killed morning , noon & night. He is both physically trapped & mentally trapped, FOREVER !!! Isn't that enough ? You should be thankful he was captured & convicted !! Thankful that he has ZERO chance of ever escaping.. THAT IS CLOSURE !!
For you to insist that vindication is running 50,000 volts thru his eyeballs lowers you to his standards.. Simpson's life has already ended !!
The strongest people in the World show forgiveness. That is the Ultimate answer for your dilemna. You should strive for it.
Peace & Merry Christmas !!
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Cheri,
I agree 100% with you that some Get-Biggers should show more respect about the James girl. Alot more.. Thats the major reason that I don't read the boards as much as I used to.
However, that being said, I spent 8 months in jail on a drug charge. Jail is an absolutely AWFUL place to be. Death Row is far worse than standard population. For you to refer to living on Death Row as "Nice & Cozy on death row, and receiving all the amenities the judicial system has to offer" shows that you have never spent time in jail.. Nor have the people & prosecutors around you that make the same statement..
The truth is that whether he is EXECUTED or not, you will never be able to forget. That man Simpson is sitting in an 10' x 8' cell, completely isolated from everyone, and paying for the horrible thing that he did to your uncle, and to HIMSELF, and to his own family.
For you to live perpetually frustrated & angry that Simpson hasn't been executed yet is the wrong way to deal with your tragedy. Simpson is living a nightmare because of his actions. Simpson thinks about that day he killed morning , noon & night. He is both physically trapped & mentally trapped, FOREVER !!! Isn't that enough ? You should be thankful he was captured & convicted !! Thankful that he has ZERO chance of ever escaping.. THAT IS CLOSURE !!
For you to insist that vindication is running 50,000 volts thru his eyeballs lowers you to his standards.. Simpson's life has already ended !!
The strongest people in the World show forgiveness. That is the Ultimate answer for your dilemna. You should strive for it.
Peace & Merry Christmas !!
Thank you Johnny for you input, but until you walked in the shoes of someone who has had a family member brutally murdered, you can not judge me or how I feel. As far as the cozy life of a prison inmate, he has it far better than the homeless men, women and children (getting shelter, food, and anemities) that have never done anything unlawful in their lives. And to boot...we (the families of the victims) are paying for these anemities with our own tax money. Ya, I truly feel bad those behind bars. ::) As far as Gary Sampson...he doesn't have any remorse, don't kid yourself, you didn't sit there through the trial. Isn't that enough you ask....NO, it is not.
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Thank you Johnny for you input, but until you walked in the shoes of someone who has had a family member brutally murdered, you can not judge me or how I feel. As far as the cozy life of a prison inmate, he has it far better than the homeless men, women and children (getting shelter, food, and anemities) that have never done anything unlawful in their lives. And to boot...we (the families of the victims) are paying for these anemities with our own tax money. Ya, I truly feel bad those behind bars. ::) As far as Gary Sampson...he doesn't have any remorse, don't kid yourself, you didn't sit there through the trial. Isn't that enough you ask....NO, it is not.
Laura, I had no idea. I'm so sorry.
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Thank you Johnny for you input, but until you walked in the shoes of someone who has had a family member brutally murdered, you can not judge me or how I feel. As far as the cozy life of a prison inmate, he has it far better than the homeless men, women and children (getting shelter, food, and anemities) that have never done anything unlawful in their lives. And to boot...we (the families of the victims) are paying for these anemities with our own tax money. Ya, I truly feel bad those behind bars. ::) As far as Gary Sampson...he doesn't have any remorse, don't kid yourself, you didn't sit there through the trial. Isn't that enough you ask....NO, it is not.
i hear you
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Laura, I had no idea. I'm so sorry.
Thanks STella. :-[
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Is the affair story true or is it the alibi? He claims to have been "loving her up" therefore he hadn't a reason to kill her...
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What is wrong with some of you? Making jokes about this girl and her murder. She was someone's daughter/someone's sister. Would it be so comical if she was your family? I can say first hand it is no joke to have someone in your family murdered (my uncle/godfather was savagely murdered a few years ago). It is very hard to get over, hard to understand and hard to forgive. All I can do is wait for Gary Sampson to pay for what he put my family and 2 other families through.
What do you mean "pay"?
YIP
Zack
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What do you mean "pay"?
YIP
Zack
I mean to lose what he he was so quickly eager to take from 3 others. Ever hear of the term "pay dearly with your life?"
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she didn't deserve to be choked out, but come on. its not like this girl was some innocent wholesome girl with good morals.
Sounds like you know more about the story than most! I don't think anyone deserves to have their mouth taped up, strangled to death and then set on fire.....what does being innocent and wholesome have to do with anything?
Innocence, and wholesome are not the first words that I think of when I think about the BB or fitness world.
So, I'm not following......are you saying that we shouldn't morn the loss of a 28 year old girl ...because she was possibly caught in some love triangle (gone wrong)?
Maybe you are right, that might of been what Ryan was thinking...wasn't she captured in a nail salon...getting her french manicure on?????
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I mean to lose what he he was so quickly eager to take from 3 others. Ever hear of the term "pay dearly with your life?"
The modern day justice system isn't about vengeance.
That's why I was quite surprised to see you use wordings with that effect.
Here's my take on the situation: The support of those related to the victims needs to be primed. Those people gets through a terrible trauma, and any lust for vengeance they have is justified.
That is not to say that their lusting for vengeance should be met. But there is a trauma. And the help needs to be on many different levels.
When it comes to the death penalty, there can be many arguments against it. Christians always use a part in the Bible that clearly states shows that Man should turn the other cheek, but since I am an Atheist, I prefer to look at it from the legal safety point.
A person who is killed cannot be "un-killed", if the evidence shows the trial had any flaws, giving the person a fair claim for another trial. Those who are pro-death sentence always states that those on the death row are always getting extremely rigorous trial procedures before ending up on death row.
My question for these people are:
How can we know that no person was ever killed by mistake?
This problem, that the justice system is never perfect, is to me reason enough to not sentence anyone to be killed.
People should always have the right of wishing death upon criminals though, I think that is part of the healing process.
YIP
Zack
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My question for these people are:
How can we know that no person was ever killed by mistake?
We do know that people have been executed by mistake.
China has admitted to executing people, who were later found out to be innocent. The state of Virginia has now opened up investigations into a murder as they think they may have convicted the wrong person, and will be testing the DNA. I hope that the investigation goes as they want, as they already executed the man. Perhaps I am wrong, but surely if DNA evidence is available it should be tested prior to putting the needle in someone's arm? The state of Georgia recently pardoned someone, problem was they already executed them ::)
PS - My sympathies for your loss Laura.
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We do know that people have been executed by mistake.
China has admitted to executing people, who were later found out to be innocent. The state of Virginia has now opened up investigations into a murder as they think they may have convicted the wrong person, and will be testing the DNA. I hope that the investigation goes as they want, as they already executed the man. Perhaps I am wrong, but surely if DNA evidence is available it should be tested prior to putting the needle in someone's arm? The state of Georgia recently pardoned someone, problem was they already executed them ::)
PS - My sympathies for your loss Laura.
Thank you CQ, And yes, people are wrongfully accused and sentenced more often then not I am sure, but there is no mistake regarding Gary Sampson.
Anyway, this isn't about my uncle and his murdered so let's get back to the subject on hand.
I truly believe that Kelly was pissed and confrunted Melissa regarding her relationship with Craig. I believe there was a fight and Kelly overtook Melissa and killed her. Called Craig in a panic and he in turn called his friend for help in the disposal of Melissa's body. Who's idea it was to burn her in Kelly's car, I could not say as it was purely a stupid idea, and ultimately pointed the finger at the couple. I would guess it was Craig's idea to fly the coop, try and score some cash and take off to another country. What gets me is the arrogance and lack of remorse that Kelly shows by going and getting her nails done. It just shows the world that she is a cold hearted bitch. I truly feel for Melissa's family and their loss, and for both Craig's family and Kelly's family for having to live the rest of their lives with the knowledge that their child/brother/sister/father is a murderer. It's truly sad. :'(
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I truly believe that Kelly was pissed and confronted Melissa regarding her relationship with Craig. I believe there was a fight and Kelly overtook Melissa and killed her. Called Craig in a panic and he in turn called his friend for help in the disposal of Melissa's body. Who's idea it was to burn her in Kelly's car, I could not say as it was purely a stupid idea, and ultimately pointed the finger at the couple. I would guess it was Craig's idea to fly the coop, try and score some cash and take off to another country. What gets me is the arrogance and lack of remorse that Kelly shows by going and getting her nails done. It just shows the world that she is a cold hearted bitch. I truly feel for Melissa's family and their loss, and for both Craig's family and Kelly's family for having to live the rest of their lives with the knowledge that their child/brother/sister/father is a murderer. It's truly sad. :'(
Good call.
Craig is a mortal man, and was pretty obviously unfaithful. His bond with Kelly seemed to be bigger than that, though.
If he did find out after the killing occurred, and panicked- then most of his actions were taken to cover for Kelly and keep her from jail. Very reasonable to think that he liked sexual variety but stood by his woman to the end.
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Thank you CQ, And yes, people are wrongfully accused and sentenced more often then not I am sure, but there is no mistake regarding Gary Sampson.
Anyway, this isn't about my uncle and his murdered so let's get back to the subject on hand.
I truly believe that Kelly was pissed and confrunted Melissa regarding her relationship with Craig. I believe there was a fight and Kelly overtook Melissa and killed her. Called Craig in a panic and he in turn called his friend for help in the disposal of Melissa's body. Who's idea it was to burn her in Kelly's car, I could not say as it was purely a stupid idea, and ultimately pointed the finger at the couple. I would guess it was Craig's idea to fly the coop, try and score some cash and take off to another country. What gets me is the arrogance and lack of remorse that Kelly shows by going and getting her nails done. It just shows the world that she is a cold hearted bitch. I truly feel for Melissa's family and their loss, and for both Craig's family and Kelly's family for having to live the rest of their lives with the knowledge that their child/brother/sister/father is a murderer. It's truly sad. :'(
Now lets think about something.....
Kelly was busted getting a pedicure right?
What other things do you think she "stopped" to do in the hustle?
I will bet...over the course of a couple days she maybe went to a day spa, had a massage, a facial.....
well....maybe not a facial
;D
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I am one of Melissa uncles. I just wanted to thank all of you who have shown support for our family, especially for my sister Maura. This tragedy has made this christmas a very sad one.We will soon post a picture of melissa.Once again thank you for your support.
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The death penalty works. Society has the right to choose the methods of dealing with violent criminal behavior. Generally we choose to put to death those that have committed the most heinous of crimes against humanity because we realize another fact: it is impossible to "rehabilitate" a demented criminal mind that has committed the worst against mankind. Given the mindset of some within the legal system to try to put round pegs into square holes (a.k.a. rehabbing the Charlie Manson's among the inmate population) it becomes necessary to rid society of the worst offenders.
In regards to innocent people being executed I do believe that in the past there have people who died having not committed the crime for which they eventually died for, however, very few if ANY "innocent", otherwise law abiding citizens have been executed. If you live a crime filled life then the chances of you ending up in the wrong place at the wrong time and paying a much heavier price for your life style is great. Pity the lifetime petty criminal who died having been accused of shooting a convenience store clerk.
Technology today all but ensures that those sentenced to die are indeed the perpetrators of the criminal act. Trying to make the argument that what may have happened in the past should therefore cause an end to societies right to invoke the death penalty is simple minded. In states like California the cost to house those on death row have sky rocketed simply because a liberal leftist plan to delay the penalty phase and then cry about the cost of implementing the death penalty.
If you are interested check out the Department of Justice web site for stats on violent crime in states that actually facilitate the death penalty (like Texas).
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I am one of Melissa uncles. I just wanted to thank all of you who have shown support for our family, especially for my sister Maura.This tragedy has made this christmas a very sad one.We will soon post a picture of melissa.Once again thank you for your support.
My deepest condolences.
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The death penalty works. Society has the right to choose the methods of dealing with violent criminal behavior. Generally we choose to put to death those that have committed the most heinous of crimes against humanity because we realize another fact: it is impossible to "rehabilitate" a demented criminal mind that has committed the worst against mankind. Given the mindset of some within the legal system to try to put round pegs into square holes (a.k.a. rehabbing the Charlie Manson's among the inmate population) it becomes necessary to rid society of the worst offenders.
In regards to innocent people being executed I do believe that in the past there have people who died having not committed the crime for which they eventually died for, however, very few if ANY "innocent", otherwise law abiding citizens have been executed. If you live a crime filled life then the chances of you ending up in the wrong place at the wrong time and paying a much heavier price for your life style is great. Pity the lifetime petty criminal who died having been accused of shooting a convenience store clerk.
Technology today all but ensures that those sentenced to die are indeed the perpetrators of the criminal act. Trying to make the argument that what may have happened in the past should therefore cause an end to societies right to invoke the death penalty is simple minded. In states like California the cost to house those on death row have sky rocketed simply because a liberal leftist plan to delay the penalty phase and then cry about the cost of implementing the death penalty.
If you are interested check out the Department of Justice web site for stats on violent crime in states that actually facilitate the death penalty (like Texas).
Yeah, yeah, whatever. ::)
The death penalty is this so-called "Christian" society's way of getting revenge.
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I am one of Melissa uncles. I just wanted to thank all of you who have shown support for our family, especially for my sister Maura. This tragedy has made this christmas a very sad one. We will soon post a picture of melissa. Once again thank you for your support.
bigd1204,
Thanks for taking the time to go over with me about Melissa, and her past. I am in the process of writing what we talked about, and making sure people remember her.
Thanks for telling me about Good Morning America (ABC) on Tuesday morning where Maura James (his sister, and Melissa's mom) will be on discussing some highlight of Melissa.
Again, very sorry for your loss.
Ron
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RIP Melissa
Go your way to the land of the Ancestors,
where they wait for you with open arms,
there on the edge between this world and the next.
See; there they stand.
Ancestral spirits, welcome this one
to the place where we all must go.
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http://getbig.com/news/2005-04/122605melissa.htm
Melissa Ann James was born on March 23, 1977. Melissa's mom is named Maura, and she had a brother and a sister. Christopher Leavy, Melissa's uncle, was kind enough to provide us with some information below so we can know who Melissa was and it is much appreciated. It is also nice to know that the family does not blame the bodybuilding community for this tragedy at all, that it looks like an isolated event, and they are touched that a lot of people in the industry are expressing their condolences, well wishes and are offering to help them. More information on that in the near future.
Melissa grew up in Panama City, Florida, and was a smart student in high school. She was a cheerleader at A. Crawford Mosley High School, in Lynn Haven, Florida (right next to Panama City), but graduated one year earlier than scheduled, in 1994.
She then attended Gulf Coast Community College, taking courses in Business Administration. She went to college for two year, but didn't have a chance finish her degree. She had a yen for opening up her own dance studio, and she did, at age 19. Melissa loved to dance, and she had started taking dance lessons by age 7. She loved jazz and ballet classes, and during the time when her studio was open from 1996 to 2003, she was very well know in Panama City. She also choreographed her own dance routines.
Melissa cared a lot about the kids in the area. She offered, via her dance studio, scholarships to underprivileged kids to grammar school to learn dance with her. She also helped children with special needs.
Melissa also did a lot of local modeling, and some local commercials, usually in the summer when her dance studio was slower, as it was geared to be on the same track as the local schools. Melissa did promo work for Calvin Klein, Hawaiian Tropics, Gotcha clothing line, and a few others. She also did some television work on Beach TV (local Panama City channel), and was also on MTV. Also, Meliisa was an arena football cheerleader for one year.
Melissa was introduced to Craig in 1996 in Panama City by a common friend. They quickly hit it off and became friends. Melissa was very bubbly, and liked to talk to a lot of people about anything.
In late 2002, she moved out to Los Angeles for some promo work and other commercial work. She had hired other people to run the dance studio by then and had a partner in it. Melissa has not been an angel by any means, but she was impressed by the glitz and glamour of that type of world that was offered in Los Angeles. The parties, meeting the rich and the famous, the social crowds. But the family also thought and hoped that they were a good influence on her. They were business people, a prominent couple in the industry.
In 2003, when Craig & Kelly moved to Vegas, she moved to Las Vegas to be a personal trainer at whichever gym Craig was managing. When things didn't work out, she eventually moved back to Panama City.
In October 2005, she moved back to Vegas, as she was asked by Craig & Kelly to move there to assist in the opening of the Ice Gear sports clothing line. Melissa has going to manage the store for them. Melissa did eventually want to go back to school to finish her degree, and also to open up another dance studio for children and young adults again in the near future.
In December 2005, she was heading home to her Mom's house in New Jersey to spend the Holidays with her family. Her flight was on Tuesday night, December 13th, at 10:30pm. She never made the flight.
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The death penalty works. Society has the right to choose the methods of dealing with violent criminal behavior. Generally we choose to put to death those that have committed the most heinous of crimes against humanity because we realize another fact: it is impossible to "rehabilitate" a demented criminal mind that has committed the worst against mankind. Given the mindset of some within the legal system to try to put round pegs into square holes (a.k.a. rehabbing the Charlie Manson's among the inmate population) it becomes necessary to rid society of the worst offenders.
In regards to innocent people being executed I do believe that in the past there have people who died having not committed the crime for which they eventually died for, however, very few if ANY "innocent", otherwise law abiding citizens have been executed. If you live a crime filled life then the chances of you ending up in the wrong place at the wrong time and paying a much heavier price for your life style is great. Pity the lifetime petty criminal who died having been accused of shooting a convenience store clerk.
Technology today all but ensures that those sentenced to die are indeed the perpetrators of the criminal act. Trying to make the argument that what may have happened in the past should therefore cause an end to societies right to invoke the death penalty is simple minded. In states like California the cost to house those on death row have sky rocketed simply because a liberal leftist plan to delay the penalty phase and then cry about the cost of implementing the death penalty.
Manslaughter or homicide? Guilty or innocent?
What guarantees are there that there are absolutely no flaws when someone is sentenced to be killed?
YIP
Zack
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good morning america was just a rehash of reports
2 minutes in total if that.
CT and KR custody car ride
and showed pictures of melissa
working movie title:
CHEERLEADERS GONE BAD
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Our deepest condolences bigd.
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I am one of Melissa uncles. I just wanted to thank all of you who have shown support for our family, especially for my sister Maura. This tragedy has made this christmas a very sad one.We will soon post a picture of melissa.Once again thank you for your support.
RIP ...........Melissa
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I am one of Melissa uncles. I just wanted to thank all of you who have shown support for our family, especially for my sister Maura. This tragedy has made this christmas a very sad one.We will soon post a picture of melissa.Once again thank you for your support.
Our condolences to you and your family.....God bless you all....
JC
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http://www.getbig.com/news/2005-04/122705gma.htm
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I wonder if she was ever in San Diego....
she looks familiar
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Many of us think that we remember that she was at the 2003 Ironman show here in California.
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Bigd - You have my thoughts and prayers.
I just saw the Good Morning Amercia piece this morning before work and they did show a pic of Melissa and 1-2 lines of one of the interviews with her Mom. I hadn't read any of the boards in a few days because of Christmas/vacation but all of this is still shocking as hell....
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Big D,
I've been praying for you and your family since the day I got word of this tragedy. I pray that God will restore some sense of peace to your sister, Maura. Something like this is so devastating to all loved ones. I'm so sorry for your entire family. It's scriptural that even in the most devastating tragedies, God always reveals Himself to us in a positive way. That's been and will continue to be my prayer for your family.
Colossus_500
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Quote from: datrout on December 26, 2005, 06:49:50 PM
The death penalty works. Society has the right to choose the methods of dealing with violent criminal behavior. Generally we choose to put to death those that have committed the most heinous of crimes against humanity because we realize another fact: it is impossible to "rehabilitate" a demented criminal mind that has committed the worst against mankind. Given the mindset of some within the legal system to try to put round pegs into square holes (a.k.a. rehabbing the Charlie Manson's among the inmate population) it becomes necessary to rid society of the worst offenders.
In regards to innocent people being executed I do believe that in the past there have people who died having not committed the crime for which they eventually died for, however, very few if ANY "innocent", otherwise law abiding citizens have been executed. If you live a crime filled life then the chances of you ending up in the wrong place at the wrong time and paying a much heavier price for your life style is great. Pity the lifetime petty criminal who died having been accused of shooting a convenience store clerk.
Technology today all but ensures that those sentenced to die are indeed the perpetrators of the criminal act. Trying to make the argument that what may have happened in the past should therefore cause an end to societies right to invoke the death penalty is simple minded. In states like California the cost to house those on death row have sky rocketed simply because a liberal leftist plan to delay the penalty phase and then cry about the cost of implementing the death penalty.
If you are interested check out the Department of Justice web site for stats on violent crime in states that actually facilitate the death penalty (like Texas).
Tre Said:
Yeah, yeah, whatever.
The death penalty is this so-called "Christian" society's way of getting revenge.
For the wages of sin is death.....people will always reap what they sow...wether it is good fruit or bad fruit...you reap what you sow
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(http://www.titusandryan.com/wp-images/melissajames.jpg)
she was very beautiful....
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gee....great....you found the same picture thats been posted already a couple times on this board
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Sorry Knny...i was trying to look everywhere on this site for Melissa's pic...I didnt know it was posted already. It was killing me trying to find out what she looked like.....I finally found the pic Ron put on one of the threads concerning this matter. Melissa looks like she has an athletic body....
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all you had to do is read the topics of the threads or check the main page of the board.
Ron has been updating information & news.
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Thanks for the info Knny....
Im the type of person that reads the thread but I usually dont backtrack or reread the thread once I have read it...I usually go to the latest post on the subject... hence the reason why I didnt know that Ron put Melissa's pic....
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gee....great....you found the same picture thats been posted already a couple times on this board
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Shut yo Knny you troll, Why did you click this link then? I for one had not seen a pic of Mellisa before the thread starter posted this pic.
Why do you have to go out of your way to be an asshole to someone who is trying to be informative?
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He's right-you supposedly have better things to do than be on this thread if you've already seen the pic.
Good that you posted it, we'd never have seen it otherwise.
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He's right-you supposedly have better things to do than be on this thread if you've already seen the pic.
Good that you posted it, we'd never have seen it otherwise.
yeah....I would have never found it....
thanks
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Was she the girl at Titus' Olympia party?
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Tre....I would think you knew more than me :)
Ive been on getbig for awhile now and red your posts from time to time...you seem to be very knowledgable on so many things...I was hoping that you knew and would post up some pics....
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she does have a fintess/athletic body...
240, do you know how the Titus's met the victim? Did they meet from the training package that kelly and Craig were advertising on their sites months/years ago?
Is there a way that you can shed some light of this matter? I know that Kelly would train people at a price and had clientelle to include Amanda Polk...was this woman one of her clients or Craig's?
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she does have a fintess/athletic body...
240, do you know how the Titus's met the victim? Did they meet from the training package that kelly and Craig were advertising on their sites months/years ago?
Is there a way that you can shed some light of this matter? I know that Kelly would train people at a price and had clientelle to include Amanda Polk...was this woman one of her clients or Craig's?
no, they knew her from wayback. Used to hang with her in Cali back in 2001 on.
She just moved to LV with them 3 months ago to help them out in getting Ice Wear off the ground.
www.freecraigtitus.com has the full MSNBC story
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I know that Kelly would train people at a price and had clientelle to include Amanda Polk...was this woman one of her clients or Craig's?
Craig's going to be looking for "a man to polk" himself soon.
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she does have a fintess/athletic body...
240, do you know how the Titus's met the victim? Did they meet from the training package that kelly and Craig were advertising on their sites months/years ago?
Is there a way that you can shed some light of this matter? I know that Kelly would train people at a price and had clientelle to include Amanda Polk...was this woman one of her clients or Craig's?
Ron has the info, 1996 they met. It's in the first post of the thread. Stay here for all the info!
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Looks nothing like her.
I will like to state one thing though.....
I can be hard on people from time to time...but honestly....
Melissa doesn't look homely like Kelly.
What Kelly used to look like is long gone. Her face has turned for the worse.
Melissa from that photo doesn't look half bad & it's not photo brushed or anything.
thats all i have to say about that
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she looks better than kelly ever did
looks older than 28 though
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she looks better than kelly ever did
looks older than 28 though
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Kelly looks older than 33
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I am one of Melissa uncles. I just wanted to thank all of you who have shown support for our family, especially for my sister Maura. This tragedy has made this christmas a very sad one.We will soon post a picture of melissa.Once again thank you for your support.
Bigd1204,
My sincere condolences to you and your family.
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For the wages of sin is death.....people will always reap what they sow...wether it is good fruit or bad fruit...you reap what you sow
Word.
It all comes back to you in the end.......all of it.
That's how life works.
God Bless the Dead.
DIV
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RIP Melissa
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:'( R.I.P. Melissa :'( .
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Craig's going to be looking for "a man to polk" himself soon.
heh, that was clever
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I can't believe this is going on
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Thanks to the family, here are some more pictures on Melissa and who she was...
http://getbig.com/news/2006-01/060102james.htm
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Thanks to the family, here are some more pictures on Melissa and who she was...
http://getbig.com/news/2006-01/060102james.htm
Thanks Ron & thanks to her family.
After seeing these pictures....it puts a face to the whole thing....makes it seem to me...even more real & tragic.
Whether Craig or Kelly are guilty or not...it is sad that this girl died & passed on in such a bizarre way for her family to deal with.
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Thanks for posting those pics, Ron. Those last two pics with her mom and dad just messed me up. I really feel for her parents. :-\
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If you can't feel a punch in the gut from the pics of Melissa with her parents and in her senior class pic then I don't know what will work.
If I was her dad, Craig should pray to get sent to jail for life..he'd be safer in there than on the streets
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My God...What a beautiful girl :'( It is soooo easy to see from these pictures that Melissa was just a bright All American Girl at one time in her life. I hate seeing all these posts about how she was "trash" and a "junkie". Let me tell alot of you something....the "fitness" industry is one fast paced place and regardless if she was an "industry" girl or not...she was wrapped up in it by the company she kept- Craig and Kelly. Being around all the parties, the "celeb" personalities REALLY can suck you in ....especially if you have a personality that is easily influenced! It's a mini-Hollywood and unless you "keep your head about you "( not falling victim to rec drug use)...many succumb to the lifestyle and become their own alter egos!...They transform into someone that they ARE NOT BY NATURE. I would bet a gazillion dollars that her family knew a TOTALLY different girl than the one everyone sees in the media...They remember the girl in these photos. :)
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Well said !
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so sad. R.I.P.
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You know I read on here where people were saying this girl was not a saint and had a drug problem. I would bet Craig had something to do with her starting down the bad road. And I agree about he is lucky he is behind bars. Cause if anyone did anything to either one of my daughters I would have no problem doing what I can to torture the fuck out of him and go to prison or be killed for it.
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You know I read on here where people were saying this girl was not a saint and had a drug problem. I would bet Craig had something to do with her starting down the bad road. And I agree about he is lucky he is behind bars. Cause if anyone did anything to either one of my daughters I would have no problem doing what I can to torture the f**k out of him and go to prison or be killed for it.
Amen to that !!!
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Is recreational drug use a huge phenomenon in the bodybuilding/fitness "industry" (arena, hobby, freak show, whatever you want to call it)?
There's people who use drugs everywhere, especially people who party. I'm not denying it was so, I guess it's just that until looking at these forums I never thought it was more prevalent among competitive bodybuilders. I guess it makes sense...using all that juice for years on end does kind of require a "f*ck it" mentality.
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You know I read on here where people were saying this girl was not a saint and had a drug problem. I would bet Craig had something to do with her starting down the bad road. And I agree about he is lucky he is behind bars. Cause if anyone did anything to either one of my daughters I would have no problem doing what I can to torture the f**k out of him and go to prison or be killed for it.
Amen, brother!
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You know I read on here where people were saying this girl was not a saint and had a drug problem. I would bet Craig had something to do with her starting down the bad road. And I agree about he is lucky he is behind bars. Cause if anyone did anything to either one of my daughters I would have no problem doing what I can to torture the f**k out of him and go to prison or be killed for it.
I have two girls myself......I would go apes**t on his arse, and would have no problem going to prison either.
To her family......my deepest condolences. You have a very beautiful daughter.
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I have two girls myself......I would go apes**t on his arse, and would have no problem going to prison either.
To her family......my deepest condolences. You have a very beautiful daughter.
agree, wouldn't think twice about it.
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I hear alot of fathers say the things you guys say yet never once have I heard of a father actually killing his daughters killer...
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I've known of several who have gotten away with it....never found the body.....anybody that hurts or kills a woman deserves the old lime pits in the Jersey woods or the garbage dumps in NYC
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My youngest daughter and her friend were walking home from school (in Vegas). They live in an exclusive part of Summerlin area. I got a call here (in Hawaii) from her mom telling me wha t happened. Apparently a truck with a kid in one of my daughters classes and his father went up a curb and tried to run over my daughter and her friend. They had to jump over a fence and some construction guys helped them and drove them the rest of the way home. W ell, afte thsi I was pissed and my daughter got on thephne very scared and crying. So I decided to fly to Vegas and see what is up with this guy and his son. The other girls dad was all for it. So we met when I got there and this other guy had a gun. He showed itto me that it was unloaded but I said we shouldn't bring it.
Well we take off to the house of the truck people. Well the guy who was with me, his wife callled the police to tell them her husband and me were going over to take care of this guy and his kid. They called the police after it happened but they didn't do anything.
Well we get to the house of this guy and the police were there. They came over to our car and didn't let us get out of the car. In short we didn't get to do anything. But I have no problem doing what I have too,
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Here is the info on the Melissa James Fund. It is amazing how much it will cost to bring her from Las Vegas to Florida, plus funeral expenses, etc. I have had a number of people ask how they can help. Well, here in the information from the family..
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January 11, 2006
Dear Friends and Family,
On December 14, 2005 our lives changed forever when Melissa James was tragically taken from us. The James family would like to thank everyone who has offered their prayers, condolences and support during these very trying and difficult times. Due to these unfortunate circumstance, we're faced with not only the loss of Melissa but also a number of unexpected expenses. We ask in the memory of Melissa James that you help us. Any and all contributions received will be much appreciated and used solely for expenses incurred due to this unfortunate tragedy.
Thank you for your support.
The James Family
To contribute, please send to:
The Melissa James Fund
Bank of America N.J. 7-221-01-01
59 Reaville Ave. Flemington N.J. 08822
Account # 003813344756
Wire Transfer # 0260-0959-3
or
The Melissa James Fund, or Maura James
P.O. Box 208
Ringoes N.J. 08551
For more information, please email:
themelissajamesfund@yahoo.com
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I hear alot of fathers say the things you guys say yet never once have I heard of a father actually killing his daughters killer...
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It is probably rare that they get the opportunity.
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If Americas police officers share these sentiments I would suggest to you that the crimes may be occurring. But that some police officers as individuals maybe aren't upholding the law in this case (because they don't agree with it) and some may even be actively obstructing it. Evidence can so easily go missing after all.
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Several years ago a pedophile/rapist kidnapped a young boy and had him for several weeks. The authorities found the kid and the sicko in another state.
They flew the sicko back to the state where he had kidnapped the boy, and as they brought him through the airport through areas where the public were milling about, they led him handcuffed past a row of payphones.
A man pretending to be on a payphone turned and shot the sicko in the head, killing him. The shooter was the boy's father. There was a video of the entire (shooting) incident on a show like "Nightline" or something similar. Does anyone remember seeing this?
I'm pretty sure the father served NO time, as the jury/judge sympathized greatly w/him.
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yes- Most won't have the opportunity. But if you we're face to face?
Given the chance ALL HELL WOULD BREAK LOOSE!
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Sorry, but I gave my "Melissa James Fund" money to the tsunami victims.
I figure food & medical care for live people whose whole towns were wiped out is more important than a slush fund for the relatives (who are probably not poor by any means) of an American murder victim.
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Sorry, but I gave my "Melissa James Fund" money to the tsunami victims.
I figure food & medical care for live people whose whole towns were wiped out is more important than a slush fund for the relatives (who are probably not poor by any means) of an American murder victim.
the family should conside a wrongful death complaint after the murder trial
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Several years ago a pedophile/rapist kidnapped a young boy and had him for several weeks. The authorities found the kid and the sicko in another state.
They flew the sicko back to the state where he had kidnapped the boy, and as they brought him through the airport through areas where the public were milling about, they led him handcuffed past a row of payphones.
A man pretending to be on a payphone turned and shot the sicko in the head, killing him. The shooter was the boy's father. There was a video of the entire (shooting) incident on a show like "Nightline" or something similar. Does anyone remember seeing this?
I'm pretty sure the father served NO time, as the jury/judge sympathized greatly w/him.
that video clip was posted on the General board here about a month ago
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240,
Being the Internet Wizz that you are ....could you kindly repost it for us? Thanks.
And thanks STella.
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No offence but I think its clear why nobody is quite interested yet
We don't know the truth yet, but we do know that it is rumoured she was a junkie involved with a couple of (dodgy) people.
And junkies don't inspire that type of reaction.
Hey, I'm not saying she was and I'm not saying that anybody deserves to die, I'm just saying I think that many of us are pretty ho hum about this because of the way things have been portrayed.
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240,
Being the Internet Wizz that you are ....could you kindly repost it for us? Thanks.
And thanks STella.
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=44212.0
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I hear alot of fathers say the things you guys say yet never once have I heard of a father actually killing his daughters killer...
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Well, then their chicken s**t. I can see if they have children left to raise why they would think twice. But if it was my only child or both......done deal. You f**k with my blood, something that means the enitre world to me, you have signed your deathwish I don't care what the costs.
But thats just me.
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In those cases where a family member has taken the life of a family murderer, what was the verdict when it came to trial by jury?
I would love to sit on that Jury.
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In those cases where a family member has taken the life of a family murderer, what was the verdict when it came to trial by jury?
I would love to sit on that Jury.
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It's wrong to take the law into your own hands. The way to fight back is through legal measures. It ultimately shows more strength and character.
As painful as it is, if you act on impulse you will probably end up regretting it and or screwing yourself unnecessarily to some degree.
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I really feel that we could all make a more informed judgement about this case if we had some more photographic documentation of the relationship between Melissa and the two accused....Perhaps some pictures of Melissa and Kelly pillow fighting or showering together. I urge the getbig community to find and post any images like these so that we may have the facts brought to light.