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For years we heard about just how much better the "Pride" heavyweights were and just how shitty the UFC guys were. I often said that a guy like Mir would mop the floor with guys like Big Nog. And, when Mir KOd Big Nog, in came in the myriad of excuses. So, what does Mir do? Not only does he beat Nog again, but he does it with a brutal arm breaking kimura. Mir did to Nog, what not other Pride heavyweight ever did. He KOd him and he broke his arm.
UFC > Pride
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For years we heard about just how much better the "Pride" heavyweights were and just how shitty the UFC guys were. I often said that a guy like Mir would mop the floor with guys like Big Nog. And, when Mir KOd Big Nog, in came in the myriad of excuses. So, what does Mir do? Not only does he beat Nog again, but he does it with a brutal arm breaking kimura. Mir did to Nog, what not other Pride heavyweight ever did. He KOd him and he broke his arm.
UFC > Pride
(http://www.themmanews.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/Mir-breaks-Nogueiras-arm-Photo-by-Tracy-Lee-500x333.jpg)
(http://cdn3.sbnation.com/entry_photo_images/2442592/11_Mir_Nogueira_13_large.jpg)
(http://www.fightcove.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/Nogueira-.jpg)
(http://www.frankmir.com/wp-content/uploads//2010/09/welcome-frankmir-dot-com.jpg)
Mir is my favorite fighter, so I had to laugh at this. I was happy as hell after Mir won, especially coming back after getting rocked to break Nog's arm. Awesome fight! I hope Mir has 1 more title run in him.
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Noguerra has been over the hill for 5 years and Mir is a second tier HW.
Who gives a shit about this fight?
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Noguerra has been over the hill for 5 years and Mir is a second tier HW.
Who gives a shit about this fight?
Exactly.
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Mir wouldnt get a title run in Strikeforce! If he went there he would be lucky to be ranked top 3 & if you think he's even top 5 in UFC then you are sadly mistaken my friend: Lesnar, JDS, Overeem, Velasquez & Carwin would or already have dismantled him. Mirs best days are gone, if he fought a 28 year old Big Nog then he would have been crushed, hell if Nog hadnt looked for a submission that wasnt there and kept smashing him up we would have been discussing if Frank Mir should carry on fighting.
The end to the fight was spectacular and shows that Frank still has great skills and something to offer, but he's just not on the elite level. Nog was exposed by being KO'd by Herring - except Herring didnt jump on him and finish him off and subsequently lost himself the fight. These guys have fought so many hard fights under brutal rules and trained the same way that eventually they wake up and just cant produce what they once did. The same will eventually happen to the cream of the current UFC roster as it does everyone else.
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Mir almost got knocked out you clown.
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Mir almost got knocked out you clown.
What's your point? He recovered and did to Nog what no one else has ever been able to do. He submitted him.
And for all of you who are using the "nog is old and past his prime", I say, big whoop! He is only 3 years older than Mir, and Mir too is past his prime. Unlike Nog, however, Mir has evolved his game and is better today than when he was holding the belt.
For his next fight, he is either going to get Cain or the winner of Alistar/Lesnar. Anyone of those guys would be a seriously tough matchup for Mir, but he does have chance against any heavyweight.
If it were up to me, I would bring Werdum over from Strike Force and match him up against Mir. That would be an awesome fight.
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If Mir is matched up against the loser of Lesnar / Overeem he will be battered into a state unconsciousness, Cain will make short work of him also. Do you understand what it means to be past your prime? It has nothing to do with age and you dont decrease at a standard rate, the simplest answer is that Nog hammered Mir and made the wrong decisions when closing the fight.
Mir is so far away from holding the belt he should do a Koscheck and fight big names for the pay day, he looks good against mid carders and completely out of his depth against the elite.
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If Mir is matched up against the loser of Lesnar / Overeem he will be battered into a state unconsciousness, Cain will make short work of him also. Do you understand what it means to be past your prime? It has nothing to do with age and you dont decrease at a standard rate, the simplest answer is that Nog hammered Mir and made the wrong decisions when closing the fight.
Mir is so far away from holding the belt he should do a Koscheck and fight big names for the pay day, he looks good against mid carders and completely out of his depth against the elite.
LOL...so what you're saying is that Nog didn't really lose this fight. He actually won the fight because the only reason he got his arm broken was because he made a tactical mistake...lol.
Would I bet money on Mir if he were matched up against Alistar, Cain, Lesnar or JDS? Hell no! But, I do think that he has the tools to potentially beat every one of those guys. I don't completely count him out the way you do.
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Ofcourse i am, Nog had him beaten easily and its ridiculous for you to say otherwise. Lesnar has crushed him, Carwin has crushed him, he beats second tier fighters and you think he's incredible? Nelson is very durable but not a top tier fighter, Kongo is 2nd tier, Crocop is a shambles of a fighter and Big Nog had him crushed.
As i said he still is capable of showing his skills against some guys, others dont give him an icicle in hells chance of it.
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Ofcourse i am, Nog had him beaten easily and its ridiculous for you to say otherwise. Lesnar has crushed him, Carwin has crushed him, he beats second tier fighters and you think he's incredible? Nelson is very durable but not a top tier fighter, Kongo is 2nd tier, Crocop is a shambles of a fighter and Big Nog had him crushed.
As i said he still is capable of showing his skills against some guys, others dont give him an icicle in hells chance of it.
Do you have any idea how retarded you sound? Who gives a shit if Nog had him rocked in the beginning of the fight. Mir managed to regain his composure and out grapple the man who everyone considered the greatest BJJ heavyweight of all time. Nog lost and this time he had no excuses about being sick or whatever BS he was saying after he got KOd the last fight.
If you run a marathon and you're in the lead the whole time, but then in the very end someone passes you, guess what? You lose. LOL!
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How does stating the obvious sound anything but sensible? You have to be the most ridiculous choice for a moderator on any subject, any board on the Net. Just about every review of the fight acknowledges that Mir was being soundly beaten until Nog transitioned to a very poor sub attempt, i am not debating with someone who lacks the fundamental knowledge that even SMM has. No wonder you are humiliated on a regular basis, why do you insist on coming back for more???
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I don't agree with everything Mindspin says, but he is right when he says that Mir has a chance against anyone.
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How does stating the obvious sound anything but sensible? You have to be the most ridiculous choice for a moderator on any subject, any board on the Net. Just about every review of the fight acknowledges that Mir was being soundly beaten until Nog transitioned to a very poor sub attempt, i am not debating with someone who lacks the fundamental knowledge that even SMM has. No wonder you are humiliated on a regular basis, why do you insist on coming back for more???
You're retarded and don't even know it. No shit Nog had Frank in trouble early in the fight. No one disputes that. But, you're saying that Frank didn't really win this fight because the submission happened as a result of Nogs mistake. Using that line of thinking, no one can ever possibly win a BJJ match because if they lose, it's because they "made a mistake" ::)
Watch the fight again. Frank out grappled Nog even though he was rocked. He beat Nog, not because of a mistake that Nog made, but because he out grappled him. Just admit it :)
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I don't agree with everything Mindspin says, but he is right when he says that Mir has a chance against anyone.
Thank you. Mir is one of my favorite fighters for a number of reasons, but mainly because he has almost always been an underdog and he has managed to win countless fights that he was supposed to get killed in. The guy has overcome some serious life adversities and he is still holding his own.
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You're retarded and don't even know it. No shit Nog had Frank in trouble early in the fight. No one disputes that. But, you're saying that Frank didn't really win this fight because the submission happened as a result of Nogs mistake. Using that line of thinking, no one can ever possibly win a BJJ match because if they lose, it's because they "made a mistake" ::)
Watch the fight again. Frank out grappled Nog even though he was rocked. He beat Nog, not because of a mistake that Nog made, but because he out grappled him. Just admit it :)
Ofcourse he outgrappled him, but had Nog continued to land bombs on him instead of trying to sub him then the fight was over. THAT is what i have repeatedly said and THAT is the most obvious thing about the fight. Do you really believe Frank would have managed to do anything other than flatten out if Nog continued to punch him unconscious?! Retarded?! When i make as much of a girl of myself as you do then ill consider what you say.
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Ofcourse he outgrappled him, but had Nog continued to land bombs on him instead of trying to sub him then the fight was over. THAT is what i have repeatedly said and THAT is the most obvious thing about the fight. Do you really believe Frank would have managed to do anything other than flatten out if Nog continued to punch him unconscious?! Retarded?! When i make as much of a #girl of myself as you do then ill consider what you say.
You can speculate all you want about what might have happened if Nog had chosen to keep striking, but after it's all said and done, it's just pure speculation. You really have no idea what would have happened. Mir has pulled miracle submissions out of nowhere before, while getting pounded. Watch his Tim Silvia fight and 1st fight with Lesnar. So while you speculate, Nog is still in the Hospital and Mir still has two winds over him.
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I wouldn't go on to say Nog got exposed. Both fighters have impressive stats.
However, I do think (and I've said this time and time again) that Mir is a top level HW. (yes, I know how you feel about this GW).
The guy is a threat to any HW in the world. From Dos Santos to Nog. Mir is a great fighter. He can submit, has a great chin, and has a huge heart.
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It would be great if UFC bring in "The Mean Machine" Marko Perak who last night defeated Bob Sapp, Perak is probably too nasty 4 American TV audience..
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I wouldn't go on to say Nog got exposed. Both fighters have impressive stats.
However, I do think (and I've said this time and time again) that Mir is a top level HW. (yes, I know how you feel about this GW).
The guy is a threat to any HW in the world. From Dos Santos to Nog. Mir is a great fighter. He can submit, has a great chin, and has a huge heart.
He is a threat to second and third rate fighters. He can beat scrubs, he can beat fat slobs and he can beat over the hill guys from Pride that should have retired five years ago. Other than that, he can't even beat his own dick. Carwin demolished him, Brock demolished him, Brandon Vera demolished him-- he's a fucking joke; Dana He has one impressive win on his resume that in retrospect is meaningless- ankle locking Brock Lesnar 1 minute into round 1-- then in the rematch Lesnar punched Mir's face into pancake batter. Outside of that, who else has he beaten? Check Kongo ::)
Three of his last seven fights are against Nog and Cro Cop.
Put him in the ring with JDS, Velasquez, Carwin, Brock, Overeem etc. and lets see how he does.
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Mindless, why didn't you make a thread about UFC legend Tito Ortiz being destroyed by Pride wash up lil Nog?? ???
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Mindless, why didn't you make a thread about UFC legend Tito Ortiz being destroyed by Pride wash up lil Nog?? ???
Because it doesn't serve my interests.
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Because it doesn't serve my interests.
lol so another UFC `Legend`exposed and humiliated then.. ;D
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mir is a very well rounded fighter
he can finish a fight from anywhere
anyone who says he is second rate knows nothing about mma
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lol so another UFC `Legend`exposed and humiliated then.. ;D
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mir is a very well rounded fighter
he can finish a fight from anywhere
anyone who says he is second rate knows nothing about mma
I'm with ya on this. Mir can be totally looking like he's finished in a fight, then come back and win. See the first Lesnar fight and his latest win over Nog.
Personally I think Mir is underrated by some guys on here. He's gotta be tops in the HW div on subs.
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Quote from Mir:
"We don't have the type of depth that the other weight classes have and I think it's only a benefit to move them (Strikeforce heavyweights) over to us. I guess I have a bad taste in my mouth because of what happened when I first started my career. I had to always hear about, 'Oh, you guys are good, but the PRIDE guys would kick your butt.' There is no comparison and then that frustration of not being able to get to them. And then when Nogueira came over and Mirko, ( I ) got a hold of them. 'Yeah, but there is still Fedor.' I don't want to hear that. I want to know that anybody that is in the division, it's like if you think you can beat me, 'Hey Joe Silva, is he clear?' Okay, cool, let's fight. Now we can solve it you know? That whole unattainable thing just drives me insane."
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MS: just noticed your avatar.. haha! Funny!
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Quote from Mir:
"We don't have the type of depth that the other weight classes have and I think it's only a benefit to move them (Strikeforce heavyweights) over to us. I guess I have a bad taste in my mouth because of what happened when I first started my career. I had to always hear about, 'Oh, you guys are good, but the PRIDE guys would kick your butt.' There is no comparison and then that frustration of not being able to get to them. And then when Nogueira came over and Mirko, ( I ) got a hold of them. 'Yeah, but there is still Fedor.' I don't want to hear that. I want to know that anybody that is in the division, it's like if you think you can beat me, 'Hey Joe Silva, is he clear?' Okay, cool, let's fight. Now we can solve it you know? That whole unattainable thing just drives me insane."
Anything Mir says should be taken for what its worth, not very much. If you wanna hear a solid opinion on the sport, see Bas Rutten. Don't bring in quotes from an obvious egomaniac whos best interest is in promoting American mma only.
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Anything Mir says should be taken for what its worth, not very much. If you wanna hear a solid opinion on the sport, see Bas Rutten. Don't bring in quotes from an obvious egomaniac whos best interest is in promoting American mma only.
Yeah...I'll have to disagree with you here. Bas does have a great MMA mind and I respect his opinion. I watch him every week on MMA live. But, Frank is one of the most articulate and intelligent fighters out there. The way he breaks down fights and his ability to trash talk are awesome.
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Yeah...I'll have to disagree with you here. Bas does have a great MMA mind and I respect his opinion. I watch him every week on MMA live. But, Frank is one of the most articulate and intelligent fighters out there. The way he breaks down fights and his ability to trash talk are awesome.
I agree. Frank would not duck anyone. He may not win them all, but he ain't scared either.
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Yeah...I'll have to disagree with you here. Bas does have a great MMA mind and I respect his opinion. I watch him every week on MMA live. But, Frank is one of the most articulate and intelligent fighters out there. The way he breaks down fights and his ability to trash talk are awesome.
Meh, he is like the Charles Barkley of the sport..
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second tier pride fighter alistair overeem just owned the face of the ufc, brock lesnar
pride has been done for almost 5 years, the fighters are still dominating mma 8)
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second tier pride fighter alistair overeem just owned the face of the ufc, brock lesnar
pride has been done for almost 5 years, the fighters are still dominating mma 8)
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yes, Mindless needs to address this and sort it out for us ;D
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second tier pride fighter alistair overeem just owned the face of the ufc, brock lesnar
pride has been done for almost 5 years, the fighters are still dominating mma 8)
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And I predicted as such. I've been saying Reem is one of the best for years. What's your point?
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And I predicted as such. I've been saying Reem is one of the best for years. What's your point?
The point is that you start a thread about how PRIDE FC sucked, and right after that a former PRIDE fighter who was not even in the top tier beats the shit out of the guy all UFC fanboys believed would demolish any PRIDE heavyweight. The point is that you are retarded and get owned every time you post.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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And I predicted as such. I've been saying Reem is one of the best for years. What's your point?
I think a very large foot is going to come down and squash you here soon..
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And I predicted as such. I've been saying Reem is one of the best for years. What's your point?
Bahahahaha, this is one of the most blatant lies I've ever seen.
Every time I come down to this board Mindspin is getting his ass handed to him by someone. Good to see some things never change.
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I've critisized Dana on here more than anyone. I've ranted about the shitty judging we have. I've gone off about the unfair treatment of some fighters by the UFC. And, I've predicted that Pride guys would beat UFC guys. So, it's not about hugging the UFCs nuts for me.
What all of you Fedor nuthuggers still don't get, is that I've never given a shit about Pride or the UFC or any other org. What I've always said is that we need one dominant organization so that we can have uniform rules and undisputed champs. And, now we have that.
You guys, on the other hand, think Pride was the best thing ever. That all Pride fighters were the best ever. And now that Pride is gone, that MMA sucks. Well guess what? Pride was not the best org ever. Their top tier fighters failed when they came to the UFC. And with Pride gone, MMA is the most popular its ever been.
So, keep pinning over your long lost love, but Pride ain't ever coming back...lol...
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I've critisized Dana on here more than anyone. I've ranted about the shitty judging we have. I've gone off about the unfair treatment of some fighters by the UFC. And, I've predicted that Pride guys would beat UFC guys. So, it's not about hugging the UFCs nuts for me.
What all of you Fedor nuthuggers still don't get, is that I've never given a shit about Pride or the UFC or any other org. What I've always said is that we need one dominant organization so that we can have uniform rules and undisputed champs. And, now we have that.
You guys, on the other hand, think Pride was the best thing ever. That all Pride fighters were the best ever. And now that Pride is gone, that MMA sucks. Well guess what? Pride was not the best org ever. Their top tier fighters failed when they came to the UFC. And with Pride gone, MMA is the most popular its ever been.
So, keep pinning over your long lost love, but Pride ain't ever coming back...lol...
Ok, idiot, first of all, the number of PRIDE fighters who came to the UFC was not that great, so don't act like it would have been even possible for them to completely dominate the UFC. And FYI, they are at the top of the top of the pack. How many UFC belts did PRIDE guys win? Nog won it, Anderson won it and Shogun won it. That is 3 belts. Not bad when you consider that the total number of guys who came from PRIDE were only 5 or 6 guys. That makes their numbers of UFC belts proportionally far greater than that of UFC fighters.
As for the MMA now being more popular then ever due to the UFC, no shit. The Fertitas have aggressively expanded throughout the World, made T.V deals with everyone, etc. PRIDE was a Japanese show, and the Japanese wanted it to remain Japanese. And FYI, during the heyday of PRIDE which org had more viewers? PRIDE was watched by literally 10 X more people at least. And even if PRIDE were never as popular, this has no bearing in which is the best org. Snoop Dogg has a lot more following than Bach, and yet the latter was a much better musician. You are a moron.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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I've critisized Dana on here more than anyone. I've ranted about the shitty judging we have. I've gone off about the unfair treatment of some fighters by the UFC. And, I've predicted that Pride guys would beat UFC guys. So, it's not about hugging the UFCs nuts for me.
What all of you Fedor nuthuggers still don't get, is that I've never given a shit about Pride or the UFC or any other org. What I've always said is that we need one dominant organization so that we can have uniform rules and undisputed champs. And, now we have that.
You guys, on the other hand, think Pride was the best thing ever. That all Pride fighters were the best ever. And now that Pride is gone, that MMA sucks. Well guess what? Pride was not the best org ever. Their top tier fighters failed when they came to the UFC. And with Pride gone, MMA is the most popular its ever been.
So, keep pinning over your long lost love, but Pride ain't ever coming back...lol...
overeem's victory over the face of the ufc proves that pride's legacy lives on 5 years after it's demise
pride clearly had the better fighters when both organizations were competing against each other, most of ufc's top guys from that era are now done while many of prides guys are still contenders
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overeem's victory over the face of the ufc proves that pride's legacy lives on 5 years after it's demise
pride clearly had the better fighters when both organizations were competing against each other, most of ufc's top guys from that era are now done while many of prides guys are still contenders
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Earl, you just love to talk out of your ass and just make shit up to prove a point don't you? Look at your last post...seriously...read it again and maybe you'll finally realize who no one likes you.
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Earl, you just love to talk out of your ass and just make shit up to prove a point don't you? Look at your last post...seriously...read it again and maybe you'll finally realize who no one likes you.
haha the most hated guy on the mma forum is saying nobody likes me, how will i sleep tonight ::)
now what exactly did i make up?
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Pride definately had the better fighters pound for pound in thier primes then the UFC. Fedor, Wandy, Cro-Cop, Big Nog, Rampage, Shogun, Henderson Etc... were the elite fighters in thier time. If they all came over when they were younger, they would have dominated the UFC. Remember when Dana and the UFC challenged Pride with thier poster boy Chuck Liddel vs. Rampage?
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PRIDE definitely had the most feared roster of fighters in the history of the sport, no doubt in my mind. Most of the top fighters in that org were not point fighters either, they went out with every intention of a finish, thats why they were the best.
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You pinheads are missing the whole point. Whether or not Pride or the UFC had better fighters is irrelevant. If it were not for the UFC buying Pride, all you could do is speculate. There is no more speculation. All the best fighters are now UFC fighters. And as it turns out, as a whole, Pride fighters didn't do too well in the UFC. Where's Fedor? Cropcop? Big Nog? And don't give me any shit about being past the prime ::) Lol
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Pride fighters didn't do too well in the UFC. Where's Fedor?
Yes, Fedor's UFC career was less than stellar... ::)
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You pinheads are missing the whole point. Whether or not Pride or the UFC had better fighters is irrelevant. If it were not for the UFC buying Pride, all you could do is speculate. There is no more speculation. All the best fighters are now UFC fighters. And as it turns out, as a whole, Pride fighters didn't do too well in the UFC. Where's Fedor? Cropcop? Big Nog? And don't give me any shit about being past the prime ::) Lol
That's because they are all beat to shit now. Most of the Pride guys came to the UFC with they're best days behind them. Prime Rampage Whooped Prime Chuck. You think anyone in the UFC would have stood a chance against Fedor, Crocop, and Wandy? I'm not talking about now, they are punch drunk, and collecting paychecks at this point.
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That's because they are all beat to shit now. Most of the Pride guys came to the UFC with they're best days behind them. Prime Rampage Whooped Prime Chuck. You think anyone in the UFC would have stood a chance against Fedor, Crocop, and Wandy? I'm not talking about now, they are punch drunk, and collecting paychecks at this point.
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You pinheads are missing the whole point. Whether or not Pride or the UFC had better fighters is irrelevant. If it were not for the UFC buying Pride, all you could do is speculate. There is no more speculation. All the best fighters are now UFC fighters. And as it turns out, as a whole, Pride fighters didn't do too well in the UFC. Where's Fedor? Cropcop? Big Nog? And don't give me any shit about being past the prime ::) Lol
I sense the presence of a large foot about to come down and squash you..
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I sense the presence of a large foot about to come down and squash you..
You keep saying that. I'm shaking ::)
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That's because they are all beat to shit now. Most of the Pride guys came to the UFC with they're best days behind them. Prime Rampage Whooped Prime Chuck. You think anyone in the UFC would have stood a chance against Fedor, Crocop, and Wandy? I'm not talking about now, they are punch drunk, and collecting paychecks at this point.
Sorry thats a bs excuse. Oh and both Tito & Vitor beat Wandy ::)
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Guys, years ago it was well-documented on here that Mindspin has a vested interested in the UFC, and said vested interest extends beyond him taking Dana White's load on the chin.
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Guys, years ago it was well-documented on here that Mindspin has a vested interested in the UFC, and said vested interest extends beyond him taking Dana White's load on the chin.
See, you all may not like my opinion, but at least I keep it to MMA related stuff and always back it up with some rationale or facts. And when I do, the best you can come up with is gay jokes and threats to get me demoded. That is why I am the ultimate pwning machine :)
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He is a threat to second and third rate fighters. He can beat scrubs, he can beat fat slobs and he can beat over the hill guys from Pride that should have retired five years ago. Other than that, he can't even beat his own dick.
Which is really sad because, hell, even your AVERAGE guy on the street has been doing that to himself since he was about 12 years old.
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Ok, idiot, first of all, the number of PRIDE fighters who came to the UFC was not that great, so don't act like it would have been even possible for them to completely dominate the UFC. And FYI, they are at the top of the top of the pack. How many UFC belts did PRIDE guys win? Nog won it, Anderson won it and Shogun won it. That is 3 belts. Not bad when you consider that the total number of guys who came from PRIDE were only 5 or 6 guys. That makes their numbers of UFC belts proportionally far greater than that of UFC fighters.
As for the MMA now being more popular then ever due to the UFC, no shit. The Fertitas have aggressively expanded throughout the World, made T.V deals with everyone, etc. PRIDE was a Japanese show, and the Japanese wanted it to remain Japanese. And FYI, during the heyday of PRIDE which org had more viewers? PRIDE was watched by literally 10 X more people at least. And even if PRIDE were never as popular, this has no bearing in which is the best org. Snoop Dogg has a lot more following than Bach, and yet the latter was a much better musician. You are a moron.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
MindLess never replied to this post of mine. He knows when he is owned even though he will claim he didn't answer because it was "too stupid" or something like that. MindLess is truly a troll and a loser.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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You pinheads are missing the whole point. Whether or not Pride or the UFC had better fighters is irrelevant. If it were not for the UFC buying Pride, all you could do is speculate. There is no more speculation. All the best fighters are now UFC fighters. And as it turns out, as a whole, Pride fighters didn't do too well in the UFC. Where's Fedor? Cropcop? Big Nog? And don't give me any shit about being past the prime Lol
Listen to me, moron. PRIDE fighters won 3 UFC division belts. Given the fact that the total number of PRIDE fighters who came to the UFC were only 6 guys, that means that PRIDE fighters have won far more belts proportional to their numbers than UFC fighters have. Period. End of story. Do you understand the basics of statistics?
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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You pinheads are missing the whole point. Whether or not Pride or the UFC had better fighters is irrelevant. If it were not for the UFC buying Pride, all you could do is speculate. There is no more speculation. All the best fighters are now UFC fighters. And as it turns out, as a whole, Pride fighters didn't do too well in the UFC. Where's Fedor? Cropcop? Big Nog? And don't give me any shit about being past the prime ::) Lol
Ok then where's Liddell, Hughes and Franklin? And dont give ME that shit about them being past their prime!
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Ok then where's Liddell, Hughes and Franklin? And dont give ME that shit about them being past their prime!
Not forgetting multiple time champion Tim Sylvia :D
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Not forgetting multiple time champion Tim Sylvia :D
lmao!
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Ok then where's Liddell, Hughes and Franklin? And dont give ME that shit about them being past their prime!
We all saw what happened when Franklin faced a Pride-like fighter like Anderson silva. We know that Chuck lost to Rampage. Prime Wandy would have raped Franklin. You can't judge the Pride guys for what they are doing in the UFC now. These guys are beat to shit now (probably not juiced to the gills anymore either) they're killer instinct is gone.
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We all saw what happened when Franklin faced a Pride-like fighter like Anderson silva. We know that Chuck lost to Rampage. Prime Wandy would have raped Franklin. You can't judge the Pride guys for what they are doing in the UFC now. These guys are beat to shit now (probably not juiced to the gills anymore either) they're killer instinct is gone.
No doubt about that, I think you're pretty well dead on.
Fact is the best guys in the UFC during those times would have been just a couple more names in the Grand Prix. Prides roster had something the UFC's didn't, DEPTH.
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snapped humerus