Philsulina could only dream about looking like this.
Philsulina dreams of purses. He counts LV bags instead of sheep.
dont for get shoes, he loves his shoes, He said he is a Sneaker head or life
yates never looked this bad....
i cant wait to hit GNC and take his signature series supplements , i'm going places after that fellasyeah mostly here..... ;D
::) ::)
yeah mostly here..... ;D
yates gut looking thick there
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son amighty :o
ronnie 99 was legendary"In a show where everyone looked phenomenal, he was head and shoulders above them all...I could never dream of achieving that physique" --Dorian Yates @ 1999 British Grand Prix
Ronnie Coleman was overall a better bodybuilder than me. Judging is corrupt. Nasser should have one the Olympia 3x (at least) and I've contacted Narcissistic Diety several times and asked him to stop posting.
"In a show where everyone looked phenomenal, he was head and shoulders above them all...I could never dream of achieving that physique" --Dorian Yates @ 1999 British Grand PrixND is gonna go into cardiac arrest when he sees that
ND is gonna go into cardiac arrest when he sees that
ND is gonna go into cardiac arrest when he sees thatNope especially considering he made it up. Funny every single quote on the subject has been posted hundreds of times and all the sudden he types this? This has never been typed before he offers no source what so ever he's making it up.
Nope especially considering he made it up. Funny every single quote on the subject has been posted hundreds of times and all the sudden he types this? This has never been typed before he offers no source what so ever he's making it up.knew you would show.... to be fair I dont really read into quotes.... I use my own eyes... ;)
We know for a fact multiple times Ronnie said he couldnt touch Dorian ;)
knew you would show.... to be fair I dont really read into quotes.... I use my own eyes... ;)
I dont know that coleman said that.... nor do i know that dorian did or didnt say what jaejonna said...
i dont care have my own eyes.......
eg remember the 2006 mr o flex said he had coleman winning no contest.....
i rest my case...
i thought it would get a rise.... and here you are..... no biggie that what these boards are about debate...
You're the one who thought the quote would bother me it doesn't even if true of course Dorian couldn't emulate Ronnie's physique apples and oranges
well, to be fair, Ronnie as he appeared at the 99 GP would crush any version of dorian.Nope never happened so we will never know, what we do know is He never actually in Reality Beat Yates....and nether did anyone else after 1992 so keep posting your screen caps and pics doesn't change what actually was.
ronnie was 260 at that show and still cut as hell.
his arms probably looked the best they ever did at that show.
well, to be fair, Ronnie as he appeared at the 99 GP would crush any version of dorian.
ronnie was 260 at that show and still cut as hell.
his arms probably looked the best they ever did at that show.
i thought it would get a rise.... and here you are..... no biggie that what these boards are about debate...
Its a laugh how people try to compare Heath to this...
Havent you heard, Phil is the best Mr O of all time according to Dj, Chick etc
::) ::) ::)
This is not being fair, just your opinion.
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son amighty :o
but the pics and videos corroborate my opinion as being the correct one.
anyone with a shread of bb knowledge can see that it would be a walk in the park for Ronnie if he faced any version of yates looking like he did at the 99 GP:
Not a fan of his physique at all but this one looks impressive!
but the pics and videos corroborate my opinion as being the correct one.
anyone with a shread of bb knowledge can see that it would be a walk in the park for Ronnie if he faced any version of yates looking like he did at the 99 GP:
well, to be fair, Ronnie as he appeared at the 99 GP would crush any version of dorian.
ronnie was 260 at that show and still cut as hell.
his arms probably looked the best they ever did at that show.
Its not even close. Ronnie, circa 98, 99 and 2001 would DESTROY Yates at his best (1993 and 1995)
Ronnie 98 AT HIS BEST Olympia had his hands full with a less than stellar Flex who was no where near himself when Dorian trampled him , he just barely beat Flex in 98 in one of the closest Mr Olympia's ever by just 3 points Ronnie 1998 would NOT touch DorianUp until this day I find it quite frankly irrational that you defend Coleman could never beat Dorian, not only at his peak did he have better conditioning but he was also a tad bigger on stage at his peak. Its not an easy call, but come on...dont be the Dorian guy.
Ronnie 99 bigger softer than 98 but very good , still not a threat to Dorian
01 Ronnie is just like 98 almost the exact same weight , so again NO chance
Up until this day I find it quite frankly irrational that you defend Coleman could never beat Dorian, not only at his peak did he have better conditioning but he was also a tad bigger on stage at his peak. Its not an easy call, but come on...dont be the Dorian guy.
He never had better conditioning than Dorian and at his peak he wasn't bigger in fact he was lighter. Ronnie 2003 was bigger but at his peak 98/01 he was 247lbs
He had way better conditioning, I aint posting pics because theres two full threads about it. Also, Yates was at his best 250 APROX on the 95 O and his conditiong is not even comparable to Colemans peak...
I still find it sad that people (including dorian himself) proclaim his best ever to be the 95 olympia because of his conditioning, while overlooking the fact that it was post tear and his arm looked like THIS: ::)
just goes to show how ignorant stupid people can be.. :-\
1993 was dorian's best.
LOOKS horrible should not haave won looking like that one armed.... not when nasser kevin cormier flex was around.. no wonder some of those guys were bitter
This is okay though ::) your hypocrisy makes you a fanboy
no ND... calves and foreams were never as improtant as arms.... known fact .... you can cling onto colemans calves as long as youd like... but winning the O with one arm is an atrocity...
would you prefer to have genetic short inserted calves or arms with bis and tris torn? on 20+ inch arm and one 17 inch arm....
you are the true fanboy here....
so i phil tears an arm and shows up or the with one arm
he should beat beyeke freeman or deter because they dont have low inserted calves
getthefuckodda here is my final word in regards to that
Not a fan of his physique at all but this one looks impressive!
Says you and we already established you're a fanboy and a hypocrite
It's okay for Ronnie to have two missing calves because you like him better but very bad for Dorian to have ONE bicep shorter than the other. One arm ::)
You're like Hulkster you like the way Ronnie's physique looks better than Dorian so you think he would win ::) NOT how it works.
Ronnie was never good enough to beat Dorian and after he started to win Ronnie said he still couldn't beat him ;) get over it.
He had way better conditioning, I aint posting pics because theres two full threads about it. Also, Yates was at his best 250 APROX on the 95 O and his conditiong is not even comparable to Colemans peak...
Ronnie was bloofy compared to Dorian. Ronnie struggled many times to beat inferior competition and even lost to Gunter before eventually losing his title to Jay. Dorian dominated the '90's, the most competitive era in bodybuilding. There's a reason Ronnie never beat Dorian, and he never would have.
Dorian dominated the '90's, the most competitive era in bodybuilding.
but it apparently had the worst judging in history.you didnt even need to put the pic of ronnie.... as im talking about dorian here.....
this dominated: ::) :-\ :'(
something people seem to forget..
you didnt even need to put the pic of ronnie.... as im talking about dorian here.....
anyone who thinks that tose pics of dorian should have won...
is the ultimate fan boy......
one bicep shorter... his bicep was ripped off the bone.....literally...
and if you noticed i never mentioned ronnie....
because ronnie to me is in a league of his own...
I said shawn kevin nasser flex that yesh shouldnt have lost to dorian....
the same way culter didnt lose to coleman when he ripped his lat
that was Bullshit
.... if you so if dorian had torn a lat shoule he have won also, or a pec.....
your'e funny
one bicep shorter... his bicep was ripped off the bone.....literally...
and if you noticed i never mentioned ronnie....
because ronnie to me is in a league of his own...
I said shawn kevin nasser flex that yesh shouldnt have lost to dorian....
the same way culter didnt lose to coleman when he ripped his lat
that was Bullshit
.... if you so if dorian had torn a lat shoule he have won also, or a pec.....
your'e funny
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should have not even placed looking like that... arm looks handicapped....
other arm looks 19 inches tops....
looks like garbage no matter how you twist it
I remember shawn commenting on that bullshit win..... he was quite bitter about it ;D
there is a reason when people talk about greatest bber ever two names come up arnold and coleman ...
dorian for a my o was piss poor IMO
ND and Hulkster: Why do you guys even bother arguing with each other? My patience would be gone 10.000 posts ago.
ND and Hulkster: Why do you guys even bother arguing with each other? My patience would be gone 10.000 posts ago.
Those that say that Ronnie had better conditioning than Dorian are absolutely nuts. NOBODY has had that combination of size and conditioning.
he definitely doesn't have it in the arms/delts chest and quads thats for sure...
damn, the Yates and Nasser pic is legendary......I'm not sure what Olympia year that was, but it really is Iconic
I'm not saying Ronnie has better conditioning than Dorian. I think they are pretty even in that category. Where does Dorian have better conditioning than Ronnie other than back, abs and calves?
he definitely doesn't have it in the arms/delts chest and quads thats for sure...
Those that say that Ronnie had better conditioning than Dorian are absolutely nuts. NOBODY has had that combination of size and conditioning.
I think it's easy to mistake vascularity with condition.
I'm sure you believe that , congrats you have a lot of people who feel the same way not accurate but hey you have popular :D
I am still waiting for you to tell me why it is not accurate...lets check the facts
Ronnie had more separation, more vascularity, more striations in his fibers at his peak, why did he NOT have better conditioning than Yates? Because of "genetics"? I ask you this because I really dont give a fuck what physique is better, both are freaks to me, but it boggles me you cant accept at least that Ronnie had better conditioning, so did Munzer.
Also, in before you say Yates was more consistent, I agree he was, at his peak, Ronnie was far better conditioned and had a tad more mass.
This renders ANYTHING you type moot , or any other Ronnie fanyboy. and the best part is this isn't even Dorian at his best.
This renders ANYTHING you type moot , or any other Ronnie fanyboy. and the best part is this isn't even Dorian at his best.thats a good physique? :-\
I love the twigs on a barrel shot that it showslooks like jp fux... a complete mess
classic super unbalanced physique.
thats a good physique? :-\
looks a mess
Good enough to kick the shit out of Ronnie for years ;)Yup Coleman and everyone else from 92 and thats the whole thing....thats Reality.... but the Chocolate muffin lover wants to "speculate" on what never was....a Imaginary Contest between Coleman with a set of Missing Calves and Gyno @ his Peak Vs Yates in his Prime missing Nothing (1993) so on and on he will go with the Imaginary Contest that never happened....see look...."Colemans bigger" see...Ill continue to ignore a missing set of Calves on Massive Quads mean nothing @ all......ill keep posting the Studio BDB of Coleman with Superior Lighting Vs Yates in Direct Bland Lighting in 95....see look @ this Screen cap of Colemans Massive back double bicep (but ignore the fact Wheelers looks right on par with him.... someones whose peak years was already over bye the time Coleman was O, the Prime flex was Stomped on by yates himself again and again)...."see" i told u all Coleman better...............
and for the record this is a mess if there ever was one ;D
Haney was More than likey the Best of them all Statistic wise and had a awesome Physique too match, the only fact you forgot too add was Coleman NEVER actually beat Yates and that's the basis of all these Coleman/Yates "Debates"....Speculation on what "may" have happened, just like what "may" have happened with a PRIME Arnold against a PRIME Haney...or a 1991 Haney Vs a 1993 Yates....etc, doesn't matter what pictures/screencaps/etc anyone puts up...its speculation nothing more, however your got a Valid Point STATISTIC wise its 8-6 Coleman History will secure him that Title.
but the pics and videos corroborate my opinion as being the correct one.So fucking true!
anyone with a shread of bb knowledge can see that it would be a walk in the park for Ronnie if he faced any version of yates looking like he did at the 99 GP:
This is always the same thing with ronnie fanboys. To much insecure to compare the best with the best.
That was from the 1995 Mr OLmypia which was Yates all time best.
where are the rare pics? ???He doesn't have any naked pics. Hope this helps.
just a slaughterfest:
great work ND. ronnie's thinking about hitting a tri shot (note the hands are nowhere near clasped)
and you post it as a valid comparison.
::)
lol, Ronnie as a rookie already matched Dorian in size. A prime version of Ronnie would make him look like an amateur
You can add 100lbs to Ronnie he'll still be narrow and soft next to Dorian ;Dronnie has not even hit the pose yet....
ronnie has not even hit the pose yet....
Obviously , doesn't matter he's not getting wider even if he did , he's is one someone made side-by-side both of them hitting the pose. Dorian's 17" arms don't look so small there do they? ;)yes they do....
yes they do....
agains a rookie colman and remember colman isnt hitting the pose.....
dorian terrible arms against his torso
get the vidcap where both are hitting the pose actually dont becase we all know you would never post the cap if it didnt favour yates....
pointless debate
how about capturing the vidcap when they both are hitting the pose...
also look at the legs..... quads... rookie coleman... same size quads as mr o
.....
Yes look at the legs Ronnie's are about the same size also look at the balance & proportion of the legs look at the calves , Ronnie's are 16" his whole lower body balance is atrocious
size doesn't mean anything , it's size , density & dryness that do. plenty of guys roughly the same size as Dorian or bigger but NONE of them had the combo of size and conditioning.
Ronnie is getting blown out the door , granted he's not at his best but then again neither is Dorian
um no, we have always been comparing dorian's best with ronnie's best.
but when dorian gets crushed the nuthuggers make up an excuse anyway:
ronnie at his best vs dorian 95 would be a massacre in ronnie's favour:
ronnie has not even hit the pose yet....
I thought it was obvious I was sarcastic in my post. :'(
Look again at the photos I posted, their is no need to post pictures of Ronnie (or even Flex or Jay) to show how Dorian was an aberration.
I am still waiting for you to tell me why it is not accurate...lets check the facts
Ronnie had more separation, more vascularity, more striations in his fibers at his peak, why did he NOT have better conditioning than Yates? Because of "genetics"? I ask you this because I really dont give a fuck what physique is better, both are freaks to me, but it boggles me you cant accept at least that Ronnie had better conditioning, so did Munzer.
Also, in before you say Yates was more consistent, I agree he was, at his peak, Ronnie was far better conditioned and had a tad more mass.
Yates was far drier and denser looking.
maybe on Mars.
but not on this planet..
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whats your thoughts on that picture nd?
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I think we should debate this further as it has not been discussed before
Ronnie has the bloofy/watery look in pretty much every picture i have ever seen of him, he has genetically more detail in certain muscle groups than Yates, deeper lines, more striations, that is not conditioning. Yates was far drier and denser looking.
I don't know what pics you've been looking at. There are shots of 01 ASC Ronnie where you can see the individual muscle fibers. It doesn't get any better than that. Dorian genetically had thin skin which added to the illusion of looking dry and dense. He even admitted it himself. You can't fault Ronnie for having better genetics for definition and then ignore Dorian's genetic advantage in dryness and density
I don't care about Ronnie vs. Dorian...I'm so sick of it...It's arguing over who is the better 2nd place guy cause Haney is number 1. Stats show it. Yeah, Ronnie looked great in 98, 99 and 01 Arnold what about every other time? Yeah Dorian looked great in 93, 95 and 96 what about the other times? The only time one can say Haney was "off" was when they drug tested the O one year other than that, Haney was the most dominant Mr. O ever. So fuck Ronnie and fuck Dorian.bodybuilding is qualitative, not quantitative. your argument fails.
I'm so sick of this nonsense.
notice I posted a screencap from the unedited video while ND uses a biased screencap from a stretched video ;)
bodybuilding is qualitative, not quantitative. your argument fails.
You and Nd both use selective pictures. The fact is they both looked like shit with fuck all aesthetics.
Ronnie had muscularity and detail but horrible lines and structure, Dorian had conditioning and thickness but shit aesthetics and lacked detail in a lot of muscle groups.
They both ruined bodybuilding and you and ND are both obsessive Aspie homo's.
yes, it is qualitative.
ronnie had a wasp waist, wide lats and a great quad sweep.
dorian looked like a fridge by comparison
your argument fails. :P
Time to bash you over the head with facts.
1) the screencaps I posted were not ' edited ' they're from the original posted on Youtube.
2) it's not biased is both are ' stretched ' if you mean biased Dorian is better than that doesn't change
3) the video isn't stretched if anything it's compressed but seeing both are in the shot it changes nothing . Ronnie still gets destroyed
4) your ' screen cap ' is biased if anything because Dorian isn't even fully flexed yet
Ronnie 1996 and 2001 and he's supposed to beat Dorian?
time for me to correct you
1) the original poster who uploaded the video even admitted the video was stretched
2) the screencap you posted shows Dorian flexing while Ronnie is still transitioning
3) delta admitted the video was stretched when he saved and uploaded the video. You can't refute this
4) both are hitting the same pose. Note their delts are the same width. In your screencap, the only thing 'wider' on Dorian are his elbows
based on that comparison, 01 ASC Ronnie looks bigger, more balanced, and more conditioned
WRONG as usual
1) he said he uploaded it as he viewed it on his DVD , you're implying he tampered with it which he did not
2) I've pointed this out numerous times and then provided one that someone made of both of them posing at the same time
3) it's not stretched it's just in another format and none of that matters because it's applying to both of them , someone didn't just ' stretch ' the Dorian part nothing changes in either format , Dorian is still wider and leaves Ronnie for dead
4) No they most certainly are not , that's why someone created the one of them side-by-side because neither of them did in the original video.
1997-1998 lol
supposed to beat Dorian LMMFAO
wrong like always
1) I never said he purposely stretched the video. Learn to read instead of projecting your shortcomings onto others
2) the pic you posted was spliced together from 2 separate images. I posted them next to each other without tampering evidence
3) you knowingly posted a stretched video AFTER I had already posted a screencap from the original source. You have no excuse
4) the pic I posted shows them with their hand over their wrist. In your stretched pic, Dorian's hands are clasped while Ronnie isn't flexing
if those pics are suppose to argue the improvements Ronnie made would beat Dorian, then you sure are presenting a strong case ;)
1) of course you didn't you implied by claiming yours was ' unedited ' which means his wasn't not accurate
2) Why was the pic spliced? because neither hit the exact pose at the exact same time. you posted them next to each other and Dorian was just unflexed and Ronnie ran over and hit his shot
3) Again stupid it is NOT ' stretched ' if anything it's compressed and why did I post it? because neither were hitting the shot together , and it changes NOTHING both were ' stretched ' you fail
4) no duh already been addressed
Yeah a real string case , he barely beat Flex by 3 points to a guy Dorian left for dead
Lights out is right
1) go back and re-read. I said it was stretched during saving and uploading. I never said he stretched the video and then saved it
2) lol @ thinking the spliced pic is anywhere near accurate. Dorian's torn arm is bigger than Ronnie's arms in that comparison
3) you have no excuse for using the stretched video when the original source is available on YouTube
4) they are hitting the same pose in the screencap I posted from the original video. It doesn't get any more accurate than that
enter ND right on cue with a biased comparison and using irrelevant statistics to defend his post
Dorian getting beat by Ronnie in the conditioning department ;D ;D ;D
NarcissisticDeity................. ::)...........son
stop comparing this deformity
to G.O.A.T RC
1) you said yours was ' unedited ' implying is was , you can't escape this
2) it's more accurate than anything you created LMFAO it's both of them on-stage together side by side hitting the pose at the exact same time
3) stupid get this through your pea brain , Delta's is the ORIGINAL you dolt , his was posted first ( and see above )
4) no they aren't Dorian stopped flexing to grab Kevin's arm , you're a liar and nothing changes Dorian smoked him no matter what format you lose just another day on Getbig
1) I said I posted a screencap from the original source. Any suggestion of 'editing' is pure speculation on your part
2) you can't be taken seriously if you honestly believe Dorian's torn arm was ever bigger than Ronnie's arms
3) Delta admitted himself the video he uploaded was stretched somehow - most likely during saving and uploading. It's not the original
4) you sound pathetic. I posted an unaltered pic of them onstage hitting the same pose. Both are the same width. Deal with it
lmao @ ND for thinking Dorian had bigger arms and thighs than Ronnie. Even Dorian's torn arm was bigger! ;D
Ronnie's absolute best Olympia showing ever 1998 he barely beats a less than stellar Flex by just 3 points and he's supposed to beat Dorian? LMFAO fact is Ronnie isn't in Dorian's league never was
Have you got other pathetic arguments like that?
Ronnie beat Flex Wheeler with a perfect score in 1999 whereas Flex was much better than he was at the 1998 Mr Olympia.
And I don't even talk about how Ronnie rapped his ass 2 weeks after at the British grand prix when Flex was at his biggest.
At least we know these two were on-stage together at the same time and Dorian NEVER needed biiger arms or thighs to smoke Ronnie ;)
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Lol
So Haney is better than Yates because Yates never beat Haney. ::)
Nasser, Ray, Levrone, Flex, all these guys beat Ronnie during Dorian's reign, it doesn't change the fact he smoked all of them when he started to reach his potential.
lol!!! comparing ronnie 1996 with yates at his prime....... ::) ::) ::)
what about this son
Flex was NOT much better than 1998 ::) , any claim that can be asserted without evidence and be dismissed with out any either.
Was Ronnie better in 99 than 98? NOPE was Flex better in 99 than 98? NOPE Ronnie beat Flex with a perfect score in 99 wow-we Dorian beat Flex who was infinitely better in 93 with one
Ronnie 99 would look soft and soggy next to Dorian 93
Flex was NOT much better than 1998
Was Ronnie better in 99 than 98? NOPE was Flex better in 99 than 98?
Dorian beat Flex who was infinitely better in 93 with one
Ronnie 99 would look soft and soggy next to Dorian 93
Dorian was 242lbs also Dorian 1993 would leave ANY version of Haney for dead
He smoked them not entirely accurate after he became Mr O he almost lost to Flex in his best Olympia showing ever , Kevin in 2002 beat him the night show , Gunter beat him at the SOS Jay smoked him at the prejudging in 2001
Everybody knows Flex was much better at the 1999 British Grd Prix or MR Olympia than he was at the 98 Mr Olympia.
Both of them were much better. Ronnie was just a little bit less dry but still better in every other criterias.
You just confuse best shape with best performance. Flex may have his best shape in 93 but his best performance and his most dangerous physique was in 1999. Dorian had a much better shape in amateur but was much more competitive in 1993 or 1996.
The first thing you would notice is Ronnie's mass, shape, separation between each muscle, peeled glutes and hams.
Everybody knows Flex was much better at the 1999 British Grd Prix or MR Olympia than he was at the 98 Mr Olympia.
Both of them were much better. Ronnie was just a little bit less dry but still better in every other criterias.
You just confuse best shape with best performance. Flex may have his best shape in 93 but his best performance and his most dangerous physique was in 1999. Dorian had a much better shape in amateur but was much more competitive in 1993 or 1996.
The first thing you would notice is Ronnie's mass, shape, separation between each muscle, peeled glutes and hams.
How can you be so sure? It's just speculation. :D
The fact is he destroyed all of them at other contests. I remind you Coleman competed much more than Dorian which mean he had more chance to be a little bit off.
I won't put the link with their respective titles because it will be too hard to digest for you. ;)
How can you be so sure? It's just speculation.
The fact is he destroyed all of them at other contests. I remind you Coleman competed much more than Dorian which mean he had more chance to be a little bit off.
I won't put the link with their respective titles because it will be too hard to digest for you. ;)
Was Ronnie better in 99 than 98? NOPE
ND conveniently forgets that his hero and fellow dorian sperm swallower Peter McGough feels that Ronnie 99 was better than Ronnie 98.
as mentioned in his article about the greatest olympia physiques ever.
ronnie 99 on the list
Ronnie 98 nowhere to be found.
Ronnie had every single advantage the fanboys cry would surly beat Dorian , in 97 , he was 255lbs , much better taper , wasp waist , better quad sweep , more detail , better shape , better arms , better pecs LMFAO and where did this get him? 9th fucking place lol with an improvement in conditioning fanboys think that all the sudden Ronnie would be better? and Ronnie's conditioning was NEVER in Dorian's league anyway
Awwwwwww mad bro ? thanks for playing
The old appeals to numbers ::) well if everyone knows I guess it's true. ::) The only thing better at the 99 GP was the lighting
Is this something else that ' everyone knows ' ? ::) NO they weren't Ronnie wasn't anywhere near as hard or as dry in 99 as he was in 98 and Flex tried to get heavy in 99 and he failed too not to mention the oil. You're trying to minimize the discrepancy in conditioning to suit your purpose , there difference in conditioning wasn't negligible it was noticeable to the point of everyone including Ronnie says 98 was his best Olympia specifically because his conditioning was spot-on
does this look like the same ronnie to you?
just what I thought ::)
pre olympia ronnie was nowhere near post olympia ronnie
sorry.
You're right technically but it can backed up with some interesting facts.
Doesn't matter , he competed more and lost more even after he started his reign
thanks for sparing me ::) put up the link to their win/loss percentages :D
Yep.
If you are alone against everybody their are great chances you are wrong. ;)
Even Flex himself don't mention 98 Mr Olympia when he enumerates the best shapes of his life, whereas 99 British Grd Prix is all the time evocated. :D
I have never said Ronnie was drier in 99, but it doen't change the fact he was more complete and competitive during this year.
So Dorian was better as an amateur than he was in 1994 or 1997 only because he was drier?
Concerning Flex, even with all the oil involved and the lack of dryness (he was still in great form anyway) he was much more dangerous in 99 than he was in 93.
Yep.
If you are alone against everybody their are great chances you are wrong. ;)
Even Flex himself don't mention 98 Mr Olympia when he enumerates the best shapes of his life, whereas 99 British Grd Prix is all the time evocated. :D
I have never said Ronnie was drier in 99, but it doen't change the fact he was more complete and competitive during this year.
So Dorian was better as an amateur than he was in 1994 or 1997 only because he was drier?
Concerning Flex, even with all the oil involved and the lack of dryness (he was still in great form anyway) he was much more dangerous in 99 than he was in 93.
so which is it?
you have two contradictory quotes from the same source.
tie breaker: the visuals
winner: Ronnie 99.
thanks for losing.
So if you compete only one time in your life and win you are more deserving than the guy how compete 50 times and lost only 10 times because the second guy doesn't have a 100% victory?
Ronnie won 8 Mr Olympias, Dorian 6.
Ronnie competed as a pro during 16 years, Dorian competed as a pro during 8 years.
And I didn't count all of their pro titles because I don't have the time for that.
Argumentum ad populum go look it up ;) Flex best wasn't 98 or 99 it was 93 and find me any quote where anyone of any credibility claims 99GP was his best
he was not anymore complete in fact it was the opposite he was lacking and where? density & dryness , you can't be bigger and softer while not being as dry and be more complete , that's an oxymoron
And Dorian was drier in as an amatuer ? man you type a lot of assertions and nothing to back them up :-\
You keep typing this because it fits your story :-\ what the fuck does more dangerous mean? ??? 93 was his pinnacle and 1993 ASC is hailed as his best and one of the best ever
88 British Final:
Now tell me he was dryer in 94 or 97. 8)
If I use your reasoning Dorian was better as an amateur than he was in the middle and at the end of his carrer.
Great progression. :D
That's the same thing for Flex. He lost dryness and a little bit of his line in 99 but he gained so much muscle mass than it widely compasated that.
That's why I say he is much more competitive and dangerous in 99 than he was in 93.
88 British Final:Wrong to say he was better as an amateur just because he appears in better condition. while lacking in a lot of other areas , to imply he was better as an amateur implies he would beat his physique in 94/97 and he wouldn't
Now tell me he was dryer in 94 or 97. 8)
If I use your reasoning Dorian was better as an amateur than he was in the middle and at the end of his carrer.
Great progression. :D
That's the same thing for Flex. He lost dryness and a little bit of his line in 99 but he gained so much muscle mass than it widely compasated that.
That's why I say he is much more competitive and dangerous in 99 than he was in 93.
Obviously not hence why I said win/loss Dorian 88% Ronnie 42% Dorian competed more and lost more , statistically Dorian would win based on that alone.
Dorian never placed below second in ANY pro show, his rookie Olympia debut he beat 8 time Mr Olympia Lee Haney in the muscularity round !! that speaks volumes
Dorian was a pure winner , Ronnie wasn't
Wrong to say he was better as an amateur just because he appears in better condition. while lacking in a lot of other areas , to imply he was better as an amateur implies he would beat his physique in 94/97 and he wouldn't
No he didn't , do you ever get sick of just asserting things? he did NOT gain muscle mass in 99 when in fact he came in softer and less dry . softer means more bodyfat and less pure dense muscle , less dry means he's holding water , he may have competed heavier doesn't mean he was in shape
1993 was his pinnacle in terms of shape , size , and conditioning. NO contest
Ronnie took much more risks and it paid considering the number of his victories.
He competed twice longer as a pro. How many olympias and pro titles Dorian would have won if he competed 8 more years after 1997?
Ronnie was a true warrior whereas Dorian was just a shooting star. We can tolerate the fact you think Dorian was better than Ronnie but thinking his overall career is more enviable, come on, everybody reads you, do you even think about the lost of all your credibility? :-\
Ronnie took much more risks and it paid considering the number of his victories.
He competed twice longer as a pro. How many olympias and pro titles Dorian would have won if he competed 8 more years after 1997?
Ronnie was a true warrior whereas Dorian was just a shooting star. We can tolerate the fact you think Dorian was better than Ronnie but thinking his overall career is more enviable, come on, everybody reads you, do you even think about the lost of all your credibility? :-\
Risks? is that another way of saying he wasn't good enough? Ronnie only has two more Olympia titles than Dorian despite that it's not like he has 5 more , he tried more times and failed more
Dorian was never interested in pro wins as much as Olympia wins , and the more pertinent question is how many more Olympia would Dorian have won if he never got injured?
Actually I don't think Dorian had a better overall career , and I'm not sure where you got that claim from ??? by virtue alone of tying Lee Haney for the most straight Olympias and most pro victories , Ronnie is the greatest of all time ( doesn't have much to do with the debate of could be beat Dorian at his best )
What I do say is a fact , Dorian was more dominate and a pure winner his reign over the Olympia was more impressive. Dorian was a shooting star? compared to Ronnie yes , however his career was cut short due to injuries , how would Dorian do if he never got injured? how would Dorian look with another 10 years of training under his belt assuming it was injury free?
LMAO.
That's exactly the same thing with Ronnie 98/99.
He was bigger, more proportionned, more separated the year after, that's why I say he was more complete in 99 while you talk about oxymore.
Did you calculated his muscle mass at both contests? ::)
Flex 99>FLex 93.
And no 1993 was not his pinnacle in term on size, seriously is their one person in the world who think Flex had more size in 93 than in 99??
LMAO.
That's exactly the same thing with Ronnie 98/99.
He was bigger, more proportionned, more separated the year after, that's why I say he was more complete in 99 while you talk about oxymore.
Did you calculated his muscle mass at both contests? ::)
Flex 99>FLex 93.
And no 1993 was not his pinnacle in term on size, seriously is their one person in the world who think Flex had more size in 93 than in 99??
I can ask the same question: How many olympias would Ronnie have won if he never got injured too?
LOL!! Flex was much better in 1999 than 1998. Probably his life time best.Flex wasnt better in 1999 @ all :o :o :o :o he was so full of oil it wasnt funny have you seen the dvd???, life time best? try 1993 Ironman and A/C that was Flexs Prime, his prime years were achieved in Yates Era NOT colemans, Ron was BIGGER in 99 doesnt mean Better, that Distinction goes to 1998 O or 2001 A/C, in 98 and 01 he was Dry, ripped, Conditioned, etc.
Ronnie was also better in 1999 than 1998.
you are done. :-*
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Not many more even without the injuries , time was catching up to him , Dorian was still relatively young when he retired ( 35 ) Ronnie ( 43 )Exactly i think MOST people wanted Big Ron to break the Record and i thought he would, he was MASSIVE as hell in 2006 however His Injurys were obviously showing though and Cutler was in good Shape, ether way he should of Squeaked though for the 9th and be done with it, wasn't meant too be.
I wanted Ronnie to break Haney's record
NO he was not , all you do is assert things , offer up NO explanation of your assertions.
You missed the point entirely ( why am I not surprised? ) it doesn't matter if Flex was heavier in 99 totally irrelevant , was he better? NO why? because he wasn't as hard or as dry and because he was injecting oil by the quart , because his lines were compromised , because got caught up in playing the size game with Ronnie which he was destined to lose
More size doesn't equate to more muscle , more size 99% of the time is at the expense of conditioning. Which is why Ronnie at his lightest is regarded as his best and the best of all time.
DO NOT equate bigger/heavier as better
Flex 93 was better than Flex 99 because? NO oil , he wasn't trying to play the size game , much better density & dryness while retaining his lines and aesthetics.
Not many more even without the injuries , time was catching up to him , Dorian was still relatively young when he retired ( 35 ) Ronnie ( 43 )
I wanted Ronnie to break Haney's record
I won't count the number of times You contradict yourself...
1993 was Flex's pinacle in term of size and now you say he was bigger years after because he played the "size game".
If I say 1991 was Dorian's pinacle considering it was the last year in his career he looked proportioned and was still shreeded how could you argue about that?
The fact is Dorian was better during his reign only because he was much bigger, so yes, size count.
And don't tell me he was also dryer considering the fact he was off in 1994 and 1997.
By the way Flex never lost his line and aesthetics contrarily to Dorian himself.
Video speak by itself:
I won't count the number of times You contradict yourself...
1993 was Flex's pinacle in term of size and now you say he was bigger years after because he played the "size game".
If I say 1991 was Dorian's pinacle considering it was the last year in his career he looked proportioned and was still shreeded how could you argue about that?
The fact is Dorian was better during his reign only because he was much bigger, so yes, size count.
And don't tell me he was also dryer considering the fact he was off in 1994 and 1997.
By the way Flex never lost his line and aesthetics contrarily to Dorian himself.
Video speak by itself:
Age doesn't really matter.
The sooner you peak the sooner you retire.
Priest became a pro at 20 or 21 years old and retired at about 32 or 33 without visible injuries.
And I don't even talk about Haney who retired at 31. How many more Olympias would he have won? 12?
NO , no contradiction at all , just another case if you not paying attention. this is my statement , follow the bouncing ball
1993 was his pinnacle in terms of shape , size , and conditioning. NO contest
Are you even reading what I am typing?
Another assertion on your behalf , I can argue 1991 wasn't his best easily and back up my claim and not just assert it. NO Dorian wasn't better just because he was bigger and size does count when it's backed up with density & dryness and not at the expense of balance & proportion , you're over simplifying
compared to 93 he did along with density & dryness
LMFAO No you don't
Wrong stupid NO contradiction , just you lying.
ND is getting owned in this thread ;D
Some legendary Ronnie pics anyone?
You're the biggest fag on here constantly trolling in every thread that your precious pretty physiques should be winning and how everyone ruined the sport.
STFU with they ruined bodybuilding mantra go lust after your pretty physiques and quit crying :'(
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FYI -
93 Flex > 99 Flex
98 Ronnie > 99 Ronnie
01 ASC Ronnie > Dorian
Nope especially considering he made it up. Funny every single quote on the subject has been posted hundreds of times and all the sudden he types this? This has never been typed before he offers no source what so ever he's making it up.
We know for a fact multiple times Ronnie said he couldnt touch Dorian ;)
Nope especially considering he made it up. Funny every single quote on the subject has been posted hundreds of times and all the sudden he types this? This has never been typed before he offers no source what so ever he's making it up.
We know for a fact multiple times Ronnie said he couldnt touch Dorian
waaah waah, shut up baby. I keep posting new quotes all the time. There's no time limit on when quotes can be postedI lol'd at how he said "Ego aside, mine was better". Ronnie, thats not you putting your ego aside. Derp.
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waaah waah, shut up baby. I keep posting new quotes all the time. There's no time limit on when quotes can be posted
::) ::) ::)
I lol'd at how he said "Ego aside, mine was better". Ronnie, thats not you putting your ego aside. Derp.
What's funny is they dismissed Ronnie as a credible source , called him an idiot , not the brightest guy , etc , etc, etc now they need him to be right and look like hypocrite fanboys in the process ;D
aken out of FLEX nov 1999, page 90. interview by jim schmaltz with ronnie before the 99 Olympia.
Jim: What would have happened last year if Dorian Yates (recently retired winner of 6 straight Mr. Olympias) had competed?
Ronnie: Dorian would have won again.
Jim: You think so?
Ronnie: I know so. Dorian has a big physique - hard- and he's been the man to beat, and its hard to knock the champion off the block. He's a big guy and has a lot going for him.
Take a note Neo this isn't taken out of context or tampered with try it sometime :D
Special Ed : Ronnie of Dorian competed in 1998 would you have smoked him?
Ronnie Coleman : NO I think he would have kept on winning as long as he competed I don't think he would have lost.
There you have it , Ronnie Coleman says he has a better back , Ronnie says Dorian would kick his ass ;)
Appreciating classical proportions is natural, what you appreciate isn't natural. Hope this helps.
There isn't a strict judging criteria, based on what gets rewarded Ronnie would dominate any version of Yates, regardless of superior conditioning on Yates part, he lacks too much detail and when in comparison to Ronnie, who carries far more lean mass than him, his conditioning becomes a non factor, becasue Ronnies was good enough.
ND is being a dipshit about this on purpose. He tries (and fails) at justifying it in very creative ways.
1. Yes, in 1999 when asked Ronnie said Dorian would win. Now a days ask Ronnie that same question looking back and you'll get a different answer. But ND clings onto his 1999 words like Palin to her guns... Bottom line is Ronnie got bigger (better in 01 AC) so of course if you brought a better package your opinion will change.
ND will argue Ronnie said 98 was his best package and he barely beat Flex. Funny thing is show me one score card from when Dorian was Mr. O. 92-97. In addition, I point out that 8x Mr. O Haney was better than Yates. Yates, never beat Haney. ND goes into his "what ifs". stating Haney would have lost to Yates in 93....Based on what? Are you saying Haney genetically couldn't have gotten bigger and better at age 31? Haney had he kept going had the frame to hold 260lbs and still have a small waist. He came in rock hard and stated as ND had said, he'd just learned how to peak. Haney own Yates and only in NDs fantasies and wishfull thinking can Yates beat Haney.
1. Yes, in 1999 when asked Ronnie said Dorian would win. Now a days ask Ronnie that same question looking back and you'll get a different answer. But ND clings onto his 1999 words like Palin to her guns... Bottom line is Ronnie got bigger (better in 01 AC) so of course if you brought a better package your opinion will change.
ND will argue Ronnie said 98 was his best package and he barely beat Flex. Funny thing is show me one score card from when Dorian was Mr. O. 92-97. In addition, I point out that 8x Mr. O Haney was better than Yates. Yates, never beat Haney. ND goes into his "what ifs". stating Haney would have lost to Yates in 93....Based on what? Are you saying Haney genetically couldn't have gotten bigger and better at age 31? Haney had he kept going had the frame to hold 260lbs and still have a small waist. He came in rock hard and stated as ND had said, he'd just learned how to peak. Haney own Yates and only in NDs fantasies and wishfull thinking can Yates beat Haney.
hurts that Ronnie feels Dorian was better doesn't it? ;D and FYI the interview with Special Ed was from 2007 on his radio show after he retried ;)The reason he didn't is because Dorian was a drug monster and Haney didn't want to take it to that...That is the only reason. Haney had the genetics to continue to destroy Yates. You act as if Haney would have never improved...You're wrong. But I'm done...you already threw in the white towel when you said Haney was better than Yates, that's good enough for me.
Ronnie 2001 ASC is just like 1998 oh wait without the bitch-tits
Know I said Haney was better than Yates although Dorian did beat him in the muscularity round. I watched the 1991 Mr Olympia and during the end when he was giving his victory speech he said he just learned how to peak and that he hinted at a return in 1992 , you do the math on why he didn't return ;)
like Lenda Murray said about Yates in 1991 he's like Haney with legs :D Haney would have never beaten Dorian 1993 , Dorian issued an open challenge to Haney in Flex magazine for Lee to come and compete at the Atalanta Olympia in Haney's backyard , needless to say Haney didn't , you do the math on why
Haney beat Dorian who was competing in his first Olympia ( and only is third pro show ) at 239lbs , Haney was 250 and in the shape of his life and lost the muscularity round , Dorian by 1993 was 257lbs and would trample Haney
Haney wouldn't have made it past 1993 Flex nevermind Dorian
I can't hardly remember 1994, yet some people can remember how hard and muscular certain guys in thongs were. :-\I can't remember yesterday
What's funny is they dismissed Ronnie as a credible source , called him an idiot , not the brightest guy , etc , etc, etc now they need him to be right and look like hypocrite fanboys in the process ;D
aken out of FLEX nov 1999, page 90. interview by jim schmaltz with ronnie before the 99 Olympia.
Jim: What would have happened last year if Dorian Yates (recently retired winner of 6 straight Mr. Olympias) had competed?
Ronnie: Dorian would have won again.
Jim: You think so?
Ronnie: I know so. Dorian has a big physique - hard- and he's been the man to beat, and its hard to knock the champion off the block. He's a big guy and has a lot going for him.
Take a note Neo this isn't taken out of context or tampered with try it sometime :D
Special Ed : Ronnie of Dorian competed in 1998 would you have smoked him?
Ronnie Coleman : NO I think he would have kept on winning as long as he competed I don't think he would have lost.
There you have it , Ronnie Coleman says he has a better back , Ronnie says Dorian would kick his ass ;)
The reason he didn't is because Dorian was a drug monster and Haney didn't want to take it to that...That is the only reason. Haney had the genetics to continue to destroy Yates. You act as if Haney would have never improved...You're wrong. But I'm done...you already threw in the white towel when you said Haney was better than Yates, that's good enough for me.don't shatter his delusion that bodybuilding is a sport of honor and super-hero characters and that drugs are just the finishing touch
The reason he didn't is because Dorian was a drug monster and Haney didn't want to take it to that...That is the only reason. Haney had the genetics to continue to destroy Yates. You act as if Haney would have never improved...You're wrong. But I'm done...you already threw in the white towel when you said Haney was better than Yates, that's good enough for me.
I just have one question:
According to you, who had a better back, Ronnie or Dorian?
haney was at his all time best in 91 to beat Dorian, he knew he couldnt do it again the following year with Yates gaining ground, retired at the right time. (He was 31 when he retired :o)
These ones are not really rare or legendary but fuck, they need to be posted in every Ronnie Coleman thread. :Dno bber past or prestent beats that.....
BFTO 2002
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Dorian , he has everything Ronnie does and more.dorian couldn't hold ronnie's jockstrap.
dorian couldn't hold ronnie's jockstrap.
BFTO 1999:o
Smooth and soggy :)
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No homo
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Dorian , he has everything Ronnie does and more.
no bber past or prestent beats that.....
real talk
Dorian at 283lbs shits all over this Coleman with ease
straight talk
Dorian at 283lbs shits all over this Coleman with ease
straight talk
That's the answer I was waiting from you. ;)
So you have no problem to give value to Coleman quotes when they turn to your avantage but when they contradict your points it's like they have never existed.
According to you, Dorian is better than Ronnie because Ronnie says that himself, that's why I quoted tour message. 8)
But when Ronnie claims his back is better than Dorian's his opinion become useless. ???
Now I know youre crazy...Coleman kills him. more separation and in better condition. This was fro BFTO 03 and Coleman was high 290s.
And this picture is supposed to prove Dorian destroys Ronnie? ???
Who said it was useless? you think you pulled one over on me? you didn't think I saw where you were going miles back? ::)
Pay attention , I've said this dozens of times. just because Ronnie said Dorian would beat him does NOT mean that he would but I just love watching fanboys melting down left and right because those quotes absolutely KILL them , they hate Ronnie said that.
Ronnie is entitled to his opinion doesn't mean it's true whether it's he has a better back or if Dorian would beat him but it is very interesting to see how he thinks on this subject. Especially considering he said that Jay would have to be reborn with better genetics to ever have a chance at beating him ( and he did multiple times ;D ) and that he was robbed when Gunther beat him and he only won because of politics
Ronnie respects Dorian for a good reason , he was there back in the day when Dorian was kicking not only his ass but everyones
Dorian better balance & proportion
I'm not a Ronnie's fanboy, I don't care about him and I don't want to look like him.
When someone tells shit taste better than pizza it's normal to explain he is totally wrong.
That's why the forum is tired to show you how Ronnie is better, even Ronnie's haters think you are crazy.
You don't need to be a fanboy to recognize Dorian is nothing compared to him and has nothing better than him.
;)
Yes I'm crazy and it's so far out of the realm of possibility that Dorian should even be mentioned in the same sentence with Ronnie and yet here we are , years latter Ronnie fanboys still saying Ronnie really , really would beat Dorian ;D
What he do know , Ronnie faced Dorian for years and lost every single time ;) Dorian retires and Ronnie starts to win and even then he still says he couldn't beat Dorian ;)
everything else is speculation. ;D
Dorian said Ronnie would win.......
.......Everything else is just speculation.
Tard
Funny how the majority of Coleman pics posted in these threads are most musculars and shots that rarely show aything below the knee.
Yates wins end of story.
Funny how the majority of Coleman pics posted in these threads are of the most muscular pose and rarely show anything below the knee.
Yates wins end of story.
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no kidding.
ronnie wins every mandatory except the ab shot and side tri
and even the ab shot is debatable.
the judges gave ronnie the win over dex in 2004 in the same shot for the same reasons they might give ronnie the win over dorian:
shit quads on dorian
Funny how the majority of Coleman pics posted in these threads are of the most muscular pose and rarely show anything below the knee.
Thanks for proving that Dorian tramples Ronnie from the back ;)
I posted this comparison earlier. Shows Ronnie from top to bottom and he's still destroying Dorian
wait wait Neo!
you are not posting ronnie and dorian from at their bests!
you are posting ronnie 2001 AC vs dorian 95 Olympia..
oh wait...
you really think so?
glutes hams arms delts dorian gets crushed.
upper back they are the same.
with ronnie being much thicker as always.
same detail. more thickness.
easy win for ronnie.
what planet are you on?
Oh wait ;D
LMFAO easy win for Ronnie ;D I love your stupidity keep picking out parts , Dorian wins more muscular bulk , better balance & proportion , better density & dryness and he's more complete;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D lol!!! look at that deformed shit aka dorian, palumboism phase 3.
THAT'S how it's done.
That picture of Ronnie is stretched...I've never seen an elliptically shaped weight plate before....
Ronnie has the bloofy/watery look in pretty much every picture i have ever seen of him, he has genetically more detail in certain muscle groups than Yates, deeper lines, more striations, that is not conditioning. Yates was far drier and denser looking.
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D lol!!! look at that deformed shit aka dorian, palumboism phase 3.
Dorian looks smooth
Pay attention , I've said this dozens of times. just because Ronnie said Dorian would beat him does NOT mean that he would but I just love watching fanboys melting down left and right because those quotes absolutely KILL them , they hate Ronnie said that.
Ronnie is entitled to his opinion doesn't mean it's true whether it's he has a better back or if Dorian would beat him but it is very interesting to see how he thinks on this subject. Especially considering he said that Jay would have to be reborn with better genetics to ever have a chance at beating him ( and he did multiple times ;D ) and that he was robbed when Gunther beat him and he only won because of politics
Ronnie respects Dorian for a good reason , he was there back in the day when Dorian was kicking not only his ass but everyones
I posted this comparison earlier. Shows Ronnie from top to bottom and he's still destroying Dorian
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Awwwwwwwww mad bro? Is that Dorian at his best?
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D lol!!! look at that deformed shit aka dorian, palumboism phase 3.
That's a bad comparison because the lighting is making a big difference to how they look. Unfortunately due to injuries we never got to see how Dorian could have looked so its pointless comparing photos of them at different points in their career and the fact remains that Dorian always beat Ronnie when they competed. And Dorian was never beaten when he was Mr Olympia, unlike Ronnie :-)
Blah blah, you're affectively admitting to quoting Ronnie ad nauseum, despite knowing it's meaningless, just to wind people up. Good work man. But why not quote Dorian a million times? "Ronnie would probably win", that's right:
DORIAN YATES: "RONNIE WOULD PROBABLY WIN"
;)
Oh you think omitting part of the quote makes it fit your agenda? what else did he say after that?
I guess I DON'T KNOW ;)
Smooth? Guy, come on that's ridiculous. Look at the split in the quad and hamstring and the detail towards the top of leg, look at the hardness. Look at how etched the pecs are from the torso and the striations.
That's a bad comparison because the lighting is making a big difference to how they look. Unfortunately due to injuries we never got to see how Dorian could have looked so its pointless comparing photos of them at different points in their career and the fact remains that Dorian always beat Ronnie when they competed. And Dorian was never beaten when he was Mr Olympia, unlike Ronnie :-)
He sure doesn't know.
Dorian getting ass raped.
Lights out, game over!
BOOOM!
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Dorian getting ass raped.
Lights out, game over!
BOOOM!
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BOOM!
But....but...what about that one isolated pic in b/w in a studio of Dorian looking phenominal?
Oh that's right, contests happen on a stage in colour.
...smooth... ::)
Dorian getting ass raped.
Lights out, game over!
BOOOM!
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:o :o
YATES WHO?
But wait stupid that's from the 1995 Mr Olympia onstage and here it is in color ;)
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You just reposted the same pic from the comparison where he got owned by Ronnie's thickness, detail and shape in almost every muscle group. Interesting. At least you're now understanding contests happen on stages, progress of sorts.
I was expecting you to post the admittedly impressive 1995 one-off b/w studio pic at 282lb with one arm.
Except that the Ronnie part of the image is way different than the original form Muscletime! If Dorian had turned up in the same condition as Ronnie at that show he would have been at least 10lbs heavier!
:)
Gaining 10 pounds to be in the same condition as Ronnie whereas he doesn't even have one visible striation on his ass. ::)
reality :-\
The guy who beat Dorian for years and years 8)
reality ;)
He still looks 3 times better than Yates in the pic you posted, and my picture is a screencap from the dvd so my pic represents much better the reality than yours.
Difference is, Dorian didn't have his underwear riding up halfway into his descending colon.
Sure he does :-\
comparing ronnie 1996 with dorian at his close to best. ;D
you are done grandpa.
Truth is that since 1997 even if yates didnt had tricep tear his LEGS, ARMS, SHOULDERS were getting smaller and his gut was BIGGER and BIGGER. You cant stop palumboism, his body was already destroyed by drugs, his brutal training to compensate ineffectivity of drugs late in his reign led only to tears and retirement.
When you speak about ronnie as defeated Mr. Olympia
you are right, but Ronnie was not a coward like yates, he knew that his spine is compressed and back and tri is not responding so well but even then he decided to compete.
yates cowardly retired.
Ronnie would destroy yates since 1999 without problem.
comparing ronnie 1996 with dorian at his close to best. ;D
you are done grandpa.
Truth is that since 1997 even if yates didnt had tricep tear his LEGS, ARMS, SHOULDERS were getting smaller and his gut was BIGGER and BIGGER. You cant stop palumboism, his body was already destroyed by drugs, his brutal training to compensate ineffectivity of drugs late in his reign led only to tears and retirement.
When you speak about ronnie as defeated Mr. Olympia
you are right, but Ronnie was not a coward like yates, he knew that his spine is compressed and back and tri is not responding so well but even then he decided to compete.
yates cowardly retired.
Ronnie would destroy yates since 1999 without problem.
So you means his striations were deliberately hiden by his string? Why does he try to reduce his performance, by modesty? :D
:)
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I know you mad baddy behind your computer. You are the only one who is trolling this topic because you know the only way to sublimate Yates is to post bad pictures of Ronnie. 8)
If we're talking who would beat who at who's best,
He's not carrying as much muscular bulk , his conditioning is inferior and his balance & proportion sucks , Ronnie loses badly
247lbs compared to 260lbs Dorian wins on all criteria
lol, dummy. Even Dorian admitted that numbers on a scale don't mean anything when you're onstage. He weighed in the 260s at the 96 German GP and was the same size as a lighter version of Ronnie. A prime Ronnie would make Dorian look small
So you means his striations were deliberately hiden by his string? Why does he try to reduce his performance, by modesty? :D
WRONG not Ronnie at his best . 1998/2001
lol, dummy. Even Dorian admitted that numbers on a scale don't mean anything when you're onstage. He weighed in the 260s at the 96 German GP and was the same size as a lighter version of Ronnie
Nop.
Ronnie had more great years than bad years unlike Yates.
I can post photos from 98, 99, 2000, 2001, 2002(BFTO), 2003, 2004, 2005 to show his obvious superiorty.
The only arguments you have for Yates are a few pics from 93 or 95 and a stretched video from 96.
:)
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He could have easily competed 10 lbs heavier and still had striated glutes.
Reality ;D
Same size HAHAHAHAHAHAHA your pic isn't accurate either but you knew that which is why you waited to take the screencap at the last moment when Dorian was unflexing to raise Kevin's hand ;)Nope
Same source as yours ( AND NOT it's not the original source either liar ) and Dorian is still wider , harder , drier and eons better
Holy shit! This Ronnie vs Dorian debate is right up there with religion. You will never have a clear winner in this debate. Too many feverish supporters on both sides.
That's a bad comparison because the lighting is making a big difference to how they look. Unfortunately due to injuries we never got to see how Dorian could have looked so its pointless comparing photos of them at different points in their career and the fact remains that Dorian always beat Ronnie when they competed. And Dorian was never beaten when he was Mr Olympia, unlike Ronnie :-)
People talk about the asymmetry between Dorian's arms, but what about Ronnie's back? That whole left side of his back was noticeably smaller for YEARS.
Nope
Not a real term
Nope
Nope
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My ass nope , wider in the clavicles proof is in the pic
Not a real term? bullshit wanna keep type on how little you know?
Density - Muscle hardness, which is also related to muscu-lar definition. A bodybuilder can be well-defined and still have excess fat within each major muscle complex. But when he has muscle density, even this intramuscular fat has been eliminated. A combination of muscle mass and muscle density is highly prized among all competitive bodybuilders.
Drier? nope? not open for debate especially not from 1996
And eons better nope? really because Ronnie was sixth at this contest and Dorian was first
you know what again? ???
24" arms 36" quads 14" calves LMFAO
Ronnie 2003 shit conditioning ( compared to 98/01 ) balance & proportion at his worse and lookin g 9 months pregnant .
FAR , FAR from his best
You must terribly sweat on your keyboard. :-*
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You're the gimmick who scared to come under his real account ;)
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As if people have the cheek to mention Dorian's waist as a reason for Ronnie besting him.
That never made sense to me , Ronnie would win because he had a smaller waist ??? 99% of the guys Dorian dominated had a smaller waist , same with aesthetics , same with symmetry they can not for the life of them look beyond what they think wins contests to what does win contests and when it's explain to them they revert to Dorian was gifted , or politics it can't be he was just better
That never made sense to me , Ronnie would win because he had a smaller waist ??? 99% of the guys Dorian dominated had a smaller waist , same with aesthetics , same with symmetry they can not for the life of them look beyond what they think wins contests to what does win contests and when it's explain to them they revert to Dorian was gifted , or politics it can't be he was just better
On the futile and hypothetical endeavour of a comparison between prime Dorian and prime Coleman my answers were completely correct. And you, are, sadly, wrong.
Then again, I dont expect you (nor the IFBB judges) to know actual basic biology or strength training. Muscle "hardness" is broscience, that you accept it and use it is your own problem. I am really getting tired of your non-existant knowledge of the body and narcissistic disorders. You are so full of yourself and convinced you are the absolute truth your posts reek of imbecility and douche-ness.
I am sorry, this is not fun anymore.
Also, you have not even once adressed my quesitons about how you explain Yates looking smooth post-93, and your argument revolves around the same 3 things, besides of course your pathetic recurrance to insults which are not even funny...
On the futile and hypothetical endeavour of a comparison between prime Dorian and prime Coleman my answers were completely correct. And you, are, sadly, wrong.
Then again, I dont expect you (nor the IFBB judges) to know actual basic biology or strength training. Muscle "hardness" is broscience, that you accept it and use it is your own problem. I am really getting tired of your non-existant knowledge of the body and narcissistic disorders. You are so full of yourself and convinced you are the absolute truth your posts reek of imbecility and douche-ness.
I am sorry, this is not fun anymore.
Also, you have not even once adressed my quesitons about how you explain Yates looking smooth post-93, and your argument revolves around the same 3 things, besides of course your pathetic recurrance to insults which are not even funny...
claim small calves ruins lowwer body
doesnt acknowledge small arms ruin upper body
Also, I already asnwered your last pathetic rant, its on before-last page.
Yeah because you said so ::) , any position that can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without any.
See above , you're boring and not origina
not for you because you're looking more dumb by the moment
smooth post 93 ? yeah he was smooth in 95/96 even in 97 his problem wasn't conditioning , what do you know? keep asserting things it's all you can do
The evidence is abundant on these threads, you are the only one that actively defends Dorian just because you cannot let this go when overwhelming evidence is against you.
Boring and not original? Good thing this isnt a commedy board...
And lastly, you are the only one looking dumb answering to every troll or Coleman fan in absolutely every thread (which by my counts, reaches three right now). Poor little soul.
The evidence is abundant on these threads, you are the only one that actively defends Dorian just because you cannot let this go when overwhelming evidence is against you.
And lastly, you are the only one looking dumb answering to every troll or Coleman fan in absolutely every thread (which by my counts, reaches three right now). Poor little soul.
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Dorian was a great bodybuilder, but how some dumb blind fucks can say he had better conditioning is way beyond me...see pic 1 and 2
Frank Clairmonte are you a Iceman1981 gimmick? why are you using his photobucket pics? ;D ;)
Good point
1 leg of ronnie has more separation, detail and better conditioning than whole yates. ;D
when comparing detail, yates is deeply under ronnie.
Ronnies detail and separation is legendary, especially his legs. :-*
Better conditioning?
::)
Dorian was a great bodybuilder, but how some dumb blind fucks can say he had better conditioning is way beyond me...see pic 1 and 2
there is a lot more to conditioning than simply a harder lower back.
check it out:
I'm sorry but the legs look like complete and utter shit there. Did Coleman have rickets as a child to make them look like that?
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Coleman as a child:
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has dorian ever displayed a better side chest shot than Ronnie 99?
nope.
striated from head to toe.
and ND claims dorian has better conditioning.. ::)
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has dorian ever displayed a better side chest shot than Ronnie 99?
nope.
striated from head to toe.
and ND claims dorian has better conditioning.. ::)
notice how ND breaks out paragraphs and quotes when the pics and vids fail his arugment about conditioning
fantastic.
Ronnie and his conditioning >> dorian.
real life shows this.
NDs argument hangs on trying to find a way around real life.
you will never escape McGough stating 99 ronnie was better than 98 ronnie in his article.
98 not mentioned at all
99 showcased.
One is a shitty Youtube screencap at 240p the other is a DVD screepcap of much higher quality and you're scratching your head wonder how someone can say Dorian had better conditioning based off of that?
You think for a moment that's accurate representation of reality? gee the fanboy force is strong with you ::)
What did Kevin Horton just say about comparing pics? you don't see that because it doesn't fit into your preconceived notion
Dorian's conditioning is eons better than Ronnie's was you will never escape this , but what do you know? you think density/hardness is a made-up term ::)
Peter McGough
While I’m on record as saying that the best physique I ever saw was Ronnie’s at the 2001 Arnold, he was never drier or harder than Dorian. In fact now that – 14 years after it happened – I recently for the first time saw the video of Dorian posing before the 1993 Olympia I have cause to rethink. I’m now not sure that Ronnie at 245 pounds would beat Dorian at 269 pounds. At a bigger bodyweight I think Ronnie would look soft next to an in-shape rock-hard Dorian.
On the subject of conditioning, no-one did it better than Dorian. He achieved a hardness and dryness (without losing fullness) that nobody has ever matched. In the flesh he looked even harder than he did in photos. It was like a statue made of granite was standing in front of you.
Ronnie's conditioning does NOT compare to Dorian never have , never will , he may have come close in 98/01 but he wasn't on the same level it's not open for debate , discussion , it's a fact
Dorian's conditioning vs Ronnies ;)
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and now look at G.O.A.T
Is that Dorian at his best? getting desperate huh? ;) you're like Hulkster scared to post pics of Dorian at his best , hey I don't blame youDorians gym pictures strike again ;D
Dorians gym pictures strike again ;D
what is on stage counts gradpa. ;D
1997 dorian not good ok, lets try his previous year(s)
G.O.A.T
even in your gym yates pictures, ronnie owns his ass
Knowing who had better conditioning change nothing as conditioning was an advantage for both of them.
Dorian was leaner from traps, lats and maybe abs and obliques whereas Ronnie was leaner from the rest.
The fact is this is the only domain where Dorian can be compared to Ronnie and that's why ND always come back with this subject. For the rest, Ronnie annihilate Dorian in term of proportions, mass, separation, roundness, vascularity etc...
Branch Warren may be as conditionned as Yates, so why not compare them if bodyparts, symetry, proportions, definition don't count? ???
Knowing who had better conditioning change nothing as conditioning was an advantage for both of them.
Dorian was leaner from traps, lats and maybe abs and obliques whereas Ronnie was leaner from the rest.
The fact is this is the only domain where Dorian can be compared to Ronnie and that's why ND always come back with this subject. For the rest, Ronnie annihilate Dorian in term of proportions, mass, separation, roundness, vascularity etc...
Branch Warren may be as conditionned as Yates, so why not compare them if bodyparts, symetry, proportions, definition don't count? ???
yes dorian is better conditioned LOL ::)
No contest , never was , never will be. And this isn't even Dorian at his best ;)
still no comparison to this:
Peter McGough
While I’m on record as saying that the best physique I ever saw was Ronnie’s at the 2001 Arnold, he was never drier or harder than Dorian. In fact now that – 14 years after it happened – I recently for the first time saw the video of Dorian posing before the 1993 Olympia I have cause to rethink. I’m now not sure that Ronnie at 245 pounds would beat Dorian at 269 pounds. At a bigger bodyweight I think Ronnie would look soft next to an in-shape rock-hard Dorian.
On the subject of conditioning, no-one did it better than Dorian. He achieved a hardness and dryness (without losing fullness) that nobody has ever matched. In the flesh he looked even harder than he did in photos. It was like a statue made of granite was standing in front of you.
I'm sorry but the legs look like complete and utter shit there. Did Coleman have rickets as a child to make them look like that?
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WRONG not Ronnie at his best . 1998/2001
24" arms 36" quads 14" calves LMFAO
Ronnie 2003 shit conditioning ( compared to 98/01 ) balance & proportion at his worse and lookin g 9 months pregnant .
FAR , FAR from his best
So many backstage or studio pics being used btw, I don't think everyone knows how bodybuilding is judged.
One is a shitty Youtube screencap at 240p the other is a DVD screepcap of much higher quality and you're scratching your head wonder how someone can say Dorian had better conditioning based off of that?
You think for a moment that's accurate representation of reality? gee the fanboy force is strong with you ::)
What did Kevin Horton just say about comparing pics? you don't see that because it doesn't fit into your preconceived notion
Dorian's conditioning is eons better than Ronnie's was you will never escape this , but what do you know? you think density/hardness is a made-up term ::)
Peter McGough
While I’m on record as saying that the best physique I ever saw was Ronnie’s at the 2001 Arnold, he was never drier or harder than Dorian. In fact now that – 14 years after it happened – I recently for the first time saw the video of Dorian posing before the 1993 Olympia I have cause to rethink. I’m now not sure that Ronnie at 245 pounds would beat Dorian at 269 pounds. At a bigger bodyweight I think Ronnie would look soft next to an in-shape rock-hard Dorian.
On the subject of conditioning, no-one did it better than Dorian. He achieved a hardness and dryness (without losing fullness) that nobody has ever matched. In the flesh he looked even harder than he did in photos. It was like a statue made of granite was standing in front of you.
Ronnie's conditioning does NOT compare to Dorian never have , never will , he may have come close in 98/01 but he wasn't on the same level it's not open for debate , discussion , it's a fact
The fact that you think that the word "hardness" used in this context MEANS ANYTHING AT ALL makes me laugh in real life, like, I laugh everytime, you a fucking fanboy, use it to defend your man crush. You know jack shit about biology and barely enough to repeat the same three ideas to defend Dorian.
But I still like you, your relentless efforts to defend and redeem Dorian are quite amusing.
ps: dont play que quote game with me, I already told you I do not give any fucks for who said what, I do not like ad baculum fallacies.
Are you guys seriously going to post bad pics of each bodybuilder and compare them over and over? Post the best pics.
Dorian's rear relaxed was great, but he never had a striated christmas tree, ripped hams & striated glutes like Ronnie did.
So BB is actually a competition about who looks worst relaxed backstage?
esp ND
he can't even back up his argument with pics and videos, the visuals are the basis for this entire sport.
when they show something other than what he is saying, he doesn't know what to do, and randomly copies and pastes vast amounts of verbal bullshit to cover his incorrect assertions.
Are you guys seriously going to post bad pics of each bodybuilder and compare them over and over? Post the best pics.
Dorian's rear relaxed was great, but he never had a striated christmas tree, ripped hams & striated glutes like Ronnie did.
8)Poor Kevin is even making Nasser's terrible back look decent there.
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Dorian himself admitted that a prime Ronnie would beat him ;)
"In a show where everyone looked phenomenal, he was head and shoulders above them all...I could never dream of achieving that physique" Dorian Yates @ 1999 British Grand Prix
Where is that quoted from?
Dorian could never match this combination of size, definition, symmetry, and fullnesspisses all over dorian....
So Ronnie has a better rear relaxed because of this???? forget the fact that his conditioning is inferior. Dorian had an infinitely better x-mass tree , he has great hams and striated glutes just because they don't show up in this pose he's not better?
You fall into the same trap of picking what you think wins and claiming a half-ass victory it's not how it works.
Sadly this is on-stage :-\
Ronnie has inferior conditioning? LOL
If what you say is true ^^^^^^^^^^^^ post pics of Dorian in the REAR RELAXED with better striated christmas tree, striated glutes and ripped hams. If you can do this I will gladly admit Dorian has the better rear relaxed.
In the mean time, here is Ronnie sporting all three I mentioned above.
Good luck finding those Dorian pics :)
Dorian himself admitted that a prime Ronnie would beat him ;)
"In a show where everyone looked phenomenal, he was head and shoulders above them all...I could never dream of achieving that physique" Dorian Yates @ 1999 British Grand Prix
Ronnie has inferior conditioning? LOL
If what you say is true ^^^^^^^^^^^^ post pics of Dorian in the REAR RELAXED with better striated christmas tree, striated glutes and ripped hams. If you can do this I will gladly admit Dorian has the better rear relaxed.
In the mean time, here is Ronnie sporting all three I mentioned above.
Good luck finding those Dorian pics :)
pisses all over dorian....
if ronnie was white i wonder what ND et tal would say
show me better picture of yates FROM STAGE.
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Hulkster got called out by Kevin Horton for using that exact same oversharpened pic lol keep making Ronnie better in photoshop that's the only place he stands a chance
^^^ ownage
this shot of ronnie is not oversharpened.
whats your excuse now?
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I don't need excuses or photoshopped pics or fantasy comparisons or made up quotes like you guys do. I deal in facts(http://gifsoup.com/webroot/animatedgifs2/3652146_o.gif)
fact 1999 isn't Ronnie's best at all
fact Ronnie doesn't compare in terms of conditioning ( and no striations aren't conditioning )
fact Ronnie never beat Dorian
fact when Ronnie started to win he still said he couldn't beat Dorian
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He's laughing at all the fanboys who think he could beat Dorian ;D
Ronnie: Dorian would have won again.
Jim: You think so?
Ronnie: I know so.
He is laughing at you, grandpa. ;D
Well, Ronnie is very down to earth guy and believe in god, so he said that. Do you expect him to say after his first win at olympia " I would kick his ass" ? ::)
These quotes are like your bible, remember that every person have his opinion and that opinion can be wrong or right. :-*
Really how about this quote in 2007 ;)
Special Ed : Ronnie of Dorian competed in 1998 would you have smoked him?
Ronnie Coleman : NO I think he would have kept on winning as long as he competed I don't think he would have lost.
Now what you have? that was after he retired , still feels Dorian would beat him. ;D
very down to earth guy? he's the same guy who said being white help Jay win the Olympia amd Jay must be on crack to ever think he could beat him and he would need to be reborn with better genetics ( irony is Jay kicked his ass many times ;D ) or that it was politics in 2002 when Gunther beat him , what happened to down to earth? ???
Ronnie always respected Dorian and always had good things to say about him , he fear Dorian for good reasons , Dorian after all kicked his and everyone else's asses for years on end I don't blame him
He is laughing at you, grandpa. ;D
Well, Ronnie is very down to earth guy and believe in god, so he said that. Do you expect him to say after his first win at olympia " I would kick his ass" ? ::)
These quotes are like your bible, remember that every person have his opinion and that opinion can be wrong or right. :-*
"Jay's opinion is just one white man's opinion" Ronnie Coleman PBW Show circa May 2007. So much for him following God. LOL
Awesome pics 240..............there will be no one else quite like Ronnie.
Wayne Demilia
Did Gunther beat him there? ( Ronnie 2002 SOS ) Yeah, Gunther beat him. Beat him decisively. Then the thing I expected happened of course : what happens every time a white guy beats a black guy, " Oh it's racial. " Anytime a black guy loses , it's a racial decision.
if only you guys knew the REAL reason they let gunter beat ronnie in 2003
if only you guys knew the REAL reason they let gunter beat ronnie in 2002 (corrected)
oh I think everyone (except dumbasses like ND) knows the real reason:
to sell tickets to the Olympia the following year.
it worked by the way, but it also pissed Ronnie off, creating the drive that resulted in his 2003 shape.
yeah Gunter, you really beat him: LOL ::)
Poor guy still has to cling to politics :-\ I can say I don't blame you ,it's not like you know how contests are actually judged and your lust for ebony penis clouds your vision
remember Bob Chick corrected you on this subject? ;) shall I dig up the quote?
'corrected' me?
LOL unless he can produce real shots from the show that show otherwise, he is full of shit.
ronnie destroyed gunter at the show of strength:
front AND back: view it and weep loser.
ronnie 99 was unmatchable.
2005: Flex: Who else during your time do you think should have won but didn't?
Shawn: I thought you should have won in 1999, because Ronnie had lost something from 1998. I felt for you, when you took the medal off and shook your finger at the crowd. I could see it wasn't Ronnie you were trying to slight. It was the fact that you improved on flaws that Ronnie hadn't. In '98, Ronnie owned it, gyno included. He should have been marked down, but he had taken his physique to another level. In '99, he lost something. Just like you were at your best in '93. Sometimes we hit our peak and it's hard to get that back. That trophy should have been yours. Not because you were a better bodybuilder, but because you were better than Ronnie on that day.
Flex: You're noted as one of the artists of the sport for your posing skills. What spurred you to put on such stellar posing exhibitions onstage?
Hehehehehehe sure he was :D
lol gunter even lost the ab and thigh.
great taper gunt LOL
oh wait, Bob is correct LMAO ::)
Time for my quote ;D
2007 interview with flex and palumbo after Mr.O
Flex: Ronnie is the biggest, hardest and most complete bodybuilder who ever walked on stage.
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
You mean Flex the guy who had Ronnie in first place after the p[rejudging at the 2007 Mr Olympia? LMFAO that Flex? ;)
here we go gradpa, your quotes are valid but others are fake and so on. ::)
You still didnt comment on my comparison pictures pose by pose, because you already know that its lost for Yates. ;D
ronnie 99 was unmatchable.
Where did I say that? and I have commented on your comparisons , like I said it's the only place Ronnie stands a chance against Dorian is in fantasy land because we all know what happened in reality ;)
Oh snap ;D
8) thisdiscussionschmoe war is about who was better bodybuilder, only way how to copare them since 1998 is to use pictures from different competetitions, i selected best pictures as possible and ronnie owns him, even in your mad love to dorian you should be able to see that ronnie has bigger everything (not calves) and better detail, separation. Look at yates leg and then on ronnies, yatess looks like it was boiled for 4 hours. ;D almost no detail, bad separation from the front, non existant sweep.
Like I said , fantasy comparisons is the only place Ronnie stands a chance , especially ones made from Ronnie fanboys , where Ronnie's waist & hips are wider than Dorians and Yates' calves are smaller than Ronnies lol then supplement it with ignorant commentary on what they think wins the pose and then circle-jerk in their own stupidity
God bless you Ronnie fanboys you're good for at least one thing and that's a good laugh ;D
Your problem is that when comparing yates to prime ronnie from 2003 almost everything win pose for ronnie. ;D
8 time vs 6 time tells the story :-*
Ronnie's prime isn't 2003 and he would look soft & soggy next to Dorian and like a bunch of parts tossed together without thought of proportion or balance.
How many of those 8 were against Dorian? because I can tell you how many of those 6 were against Ronnie ;)
Dorian always beat Ronnie , Ronnie NEVER beat Dorian. You my friend will never escape that 8)
before 1998 ronnie had not peaked.
^what is so hard to understand about that statement? that is not a rhetorical question, I want a logical answer.
ND is desperately going through his old crusty bodybuilding mags to find a quote that can counter this one ;D
"In a show where everyone looked phenomenal, he was head and shoulders above them all...I could never dream of achieving that physique" Dorian Yates @ 1999 British Grand Prix"
LOL...Dorian said that about Ronnie from that show?
ND is desperately going through his old crusty bodybuilding mags to find a quote that can counter this one ;D
"In a show where everyone looked phenomenal, he was head and shoulders above them all...I could never dream of achieving that physique" Dorian Yates @ 1999 British Grand Prix"
because he hadn't peaked he never beat dorian.
or charles clairmonte for that matter LOL
but its all they can go on because the pics and vids clearly show how much better a peak ronnie was than dorian was at his peak.
It's a made up quote and you bought hook line and sinker. I called him out on and needless to say he never responded. All the debates we've had all the time since this was supposedly made and it's never been posted until 2 weeks ago with no source what so ever seriously
In your desperation you needed anything to counter the multiple quotes from Ronnie saying he would never beat Dorian so you took this one on faith. Congrats you played yourself again.
^^^
I was watching some old DVD's and caught this quote:
Dorian Yates was asked on the 2000 Mr. Olympia DVD:
Mike Mattarazo: "Do you see anybody up there you can compare yourself to muscle mass and muscular density?"
Dorian Yates: "Incredible muscle mass. Obviously Ronnie Coleman, the new Mr. Olympia. I mean, the guy is incredible. Muscle size, great conditioning, and proportions."
Dorian Yates: "Things are always progressing. People say to me, Dorian you are incredible, I've never seen a physique bigger and better. Hey, Of course you will. Things never stand still."
That's been posted before
Phil heath
"when we're talking about ronne and dorian.. I say Ronnie all day..
ronnie .. if they competed against each other at their prime aww it would be OVER it would be done!"
ND can we see the proof ronnie said that... dorian would win
I WANT to see a video........
many thanks
No video
This quote is from 2007 on Special Ed's internet radio show when he interviewed Ronnie at the end of his career
Special Ed : Ronnie if Dorian competed in 1998 would you have smoked him?
Ronnie Coleman : NO I think he would have kept on winning as long as he competed I don't think he would have lost.
And this one is from Flex magazine
Taken out of FLEX nov 1999, page 90. interview by jim schmaltz with ronnie before the 99 Olympia.
Jim: What would have happened last year if Dorian Yates (recently retired winner of 6 straight Mr. Olympias) had competed?
Ronnie: Dorian would have won again.
Jim: You think so?
Ronnie: I know so. Dorian has a big physique - hard- and he's been the man to beat, and its hard to knock the champion off the block. He's a big guy and has a lot going for him.
This trumps what Phil says ;)
I want to see a video so i can be sure coleman said EXACTLY that...... writers can stretch or exaggerate.... How can i be sure coleman said that?????
Ive also read magazines where coleman saids he does full range of movement :-\
essentially unless there is a video
no be can be 100% sure coleman said it ..
but we are 100% sure phil things coleman would blow yates away.....
....
do not retort with a video..
correct.
he looked 10x worse 8)
Anyone who takes what Phil Heath says as fact must be out of their mind.
Nothing anyone says is fact, but Phil's word holds more weight than any of us.
Anyone who takes what Phil Heath says as fact must be out of their mind.
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son amighty :o
can u imagine dorian doing arm poses next to this? LOL
it would be laughable.
Who cares what you want? I know exactly Coleman said that on Special Ed's radio show because I was listening to it so were others on the board. So taken that into consideration it's safe to assume what he said in the magazine is accurate.
Ernie Taylor said Dorian would beat Ronnie , Lee Priest did as well , etc , etc people have their opinions.
This guy did ok. ;D
“The only way Ronnie thinks he can possibly lose the show is if someone else gets a gift—like the gift Gunter was given at the GNC.
but only because of an effort in over marketing hype to push an agenda of selling tickets with articles like this:
http://imbodybuilding.com/articles/end-of-days/
you can say that again. christmas time onstage in 2002:
ha ha ha who cares what i want......mature answer
yes flex and mD is super accurate... eg kai green benched 500 at 18 yrs old.... etc etc
how many bbers have said stuff magazines were written not by them...
until I see a video of coleman saying that I will take that with a pinch of salt..
you seem to love throwing that quote around... but its not 100 fact....
thats all im saying
'corrected' me?Why in the world would you post these series of Comparisons with Gunter to "Show" Ronnies Destroying him??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???....take a CLOSER look @ those Shots, Gunters BIGGER, Equally Conditioned in the BACK, Hams/Glutes/etc, Side Chest has BETTER Balance from TOP to BOTTOM (and yip sorry Calves are Part of the side chest) etc etc....i know you have a Serial Infatuation with Coleman being the "Greatest" BBer etc however this is one of the more Bizarre posts u have put up in a Long time, Coleman wasnt in Shape in 2002 Period....so what he still won the Olympia in 2002, you don't Site Gunter's Victory as Legitimate over Coleman in 2002 simply because it brings up the very REAL notion that Yates (you no the other "white" guy with the big belly and no arms) could Potentially Beat Coleman.....and the spin to it all was that Gunter wouldnt of beaten Yates in a Million years and you damn well know it.
LOL unless he can produce real shots from the show that show otherwise, he is full of shit.
ronnie destroyed gunter at the show of strength:
front AND back: view it and weep loser.
ND is on suicide alert
Flex thinks he should have beat Dorian in 93 and Sergio Oliva agrees
^^^ "The Myth, Sergio Oliva, came over to tell me he thought I got robbed and should have beat Dorian!"
Flex also says his physique was better at the 99 Mr. Olympia than 98
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"At the 1999 Mr. Olympia, I was sure I was going to finally win. I had only been three points away from Ronnie the year before, and I came back this time with 17 more pounds and in better condition."
Flex also says his physique was better at the 99 Mr. Olympia than 98
Mature answer? your response is silly like anyone owes you anything ::) or the answer isn't valid until you get a video response. get serious. You can bitch & moan about the written quote in Flex magazine however the other quote you can't.
Special Ed had an internet radio show and he used to post the link here. He interviewed Ronnie after he retired and that's where that quote is from , so yes it's 100% fact and just because you didn't listen doesn't mean a bunch of guys didn't , it was a big deal when it was posted it caused lots of Ronnie fanboys meltdowns
So since we know for a fact Ronnie said Dorian would beat him it's very safe to assume the quote from the magazine is accurate. I know it pains you that Ronnie feels this way especially considering that you scoff at the idea that Dorian should even be mentioned in the same sentence with Ronnie but it changes nothing. And I do love throwing around those quotes because it drives Ronnie fanboys mental
You should be, you're the moron who tried to use him as a ' credible ' source LMFAO kinda makes you look like an idiot doesn't it?
1993 is the most dominant win from ANY Mr Olympia at ANY time , you could have every Mr Olympia from 1965-1991-to-1998-to-2012 say Dorian didn't deserve to win in 1993 and it wouldn't mean shit
Dorian won the contest with straight firsts he was so far ahead of everyone that the judges didn't even need to include him in the muscularity round. Ronnie NEVER did that in fact NO ONE has to this day. So you're right back to square one , no where.
ND is on suicide alert
Flex thinks he should have beat Dorian in 93 and Sergio Oliva agrees
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^^^ "The Myth, Sergio Oliva, came over to tell me he thought I got robbed and should have beat Dorian!"
Flex also says his physique was better at the 99 Mr. Olympia than 98
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"At the 1999 Mr. Olympia, I was sure I was going to finally win. I had only been three points away from Ronnie the year before, and I came back this time with 17 more pounds and in better condition."
One thing I've never seen is ND get truly owned in any of these threads. But on the other hand, the Coleman/ebony nut-huggers get truly owned on here on a daily basis. History alone owns their asses. Some people just can't handle the truth, Flex Wheeler included. ;D
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what are you rambling about? lol. I posted a quote from Flex saying Ronnie is the best Mr. O ever, which is true. How does that make me look like an idiot? Keep in mind, this is the same guy you love to point out that felt he should've won in 99. So if anything, this quote makes you look like an idiot b/c now you have to accept that he should have beat Dorian in 93 otherwise you look like a hypocrite
wrong again. Sergio Oliva was so dominant that he won a Mr. Olympia uncontested. No one else bothered to show up b/c the contest was won before it had even started. Flex, Shawn, and Kevin all showed up at the 93 Mr. Olympia b/c they had a chance to win. Even to this day, there is debate over who should have won. There is NO question of who won in 68 ;)
and this means what? Jack shit. Ronnie at his prime never competed against a prime Dorian. The judges in 93 could have personally walked on stage and wiped Dorian's ass and it still wouldn't have anything to do with Ronnie
what are you rambling about? lol. I posted a quote from Flex saying Ronnie is the best Mr. O ever, which is true. How does that make me look like an idiot? Keep in mind, this is the same guy you love to point out that felt he should've won in 99. So if anything, this quote makes you look like an idiot b/c now you have to accept that he should have beat Dorian in 93 otherwise you look like a hypocrite
wrong again. Sergio Oliva was so dominant that he won a Mr. Olympia uncontested. No one else bothered to show up b/c the contest was won before it had even started. Flex, Shawn, and Kevin all showed up at the 93 Mr. Olympia b/c they had a chance to win. Even to this day, there is debate over who should have won. There is NO question of who won in 68 ;)
and this means what? Jack shit. Ronnie at his prime never competed against a prime Dorian. The judges in 93 could have personally walked on stage and wiped Dorian's ass and it still wouldn't have anything to do with Ronnie
One thing I've never seen is ND get truly owned in any of these threads. But on the other hand, the Coleman/ebony nut-huggers get truly owned on here on a daily basis. History alone owns their asses. Some people just can't handle the truth, Flex Wheeler included. ;D
^^^ meltdown ;)
That "James Lloyd" character is moi...Flex is being massively pretentious...hence why I put "for real?"...I thought he was having a laugh at first
Has anybody else noticed how we are the ones following NDick around, yet his walls of text appear at every Ronnie thread? You are so butthurt because youre the only one defending Dorian...but keep at it, it entertains us all.
Also, Coleman had better separation, stration and vascularity, how about dem fact denials?
Has anybody else noticed how we are the ones following NDick around, yet his walls of text appear at every Ronnie thread? You are so butthurt because youre the only one defending Dorian...but keep at it, it entertains us all.
Also, Coleman had better separation, stration and vascularity, how about dem fact denials?
Exactly , look at the depth these guys are force to go. Denying facts , dismissing the judging criteria , trying to rearrange history , using photoshopped pictures which the best photographer in the business Kevin Horton busted them doing , making up quotes out of thin air and trying to pass them off as proof. Neo was busted multiple times for taking quotes out of context in order to try and make them say what he wants , don't forget their laughable ' comparisons ' where they all circle jerk on how much Ronnie is beating Dorian :-\ using popular opinion and trying to pass it off as fact , using bad pics of Dorian and photoshopped one of Ronnie to claim his superiority :-\
Every single one of these fanboys try so hard to ' own ' me they've been trying for years now , they follow me to every thread looking for a chance to get me back because I rubbed their noses in their own shit , and corrected them using facts , history and logic.
They've tried every trick in the book to make Ronnie better then Dorian and it still hasn't worked. They don't like me because they don't like facts and they don't like being corrected on what they think wins contests , maybe I am to blame , maybe if I broke it to them gently instead of bashing them over the head lol they wouldn't be always looking to settle a score lol
Like I always tell them , keep following me , mentioning my name and contradicting facts because all you do is prove me right. 8)
ND has hundreds of bodybuilding mags, defends Dorian in every thread like his lover is under attack, and owns a flower shop (srs). I'm not connecting any dots, just stating the facts. I'll let you draw your own conclusion but it makes sense that his denial stems from a deeper issue
I'm gonna ask this again since it was ran and hid from the first time
"Dorian never competed against a peak Ronnie"
^ explain with out melting down or straying from a straightforward answer why that statement is not understood.
I'm gonna ask this again since it was ran and hid from the first time
"Dorian never competed against a peak Ronnie"
^ explain with out melting down or straying from a straightforward answer why that statement is not understood.
ND has hundreds of bodybuilding mags, defends Dorian in every thread like his lover is under attack, and owns a flower shop (srs). I'm not connecting any dots, just stating the facts. I'll let you draw your own conclusion but it makes sense that his denial stems from a deeper issue
Flex wheeler is the greatest ever, period. Lard ass Dorian had no aesthetics, no arms, no taper, and a gut. but because his asshole was striated he wins. so fucking gay this cult is
Same with ronnie. Grotesque body, 40 inch gut, but still won
Peak Ronnie 1998 Mr Olympia ( or 2001 ASC basically the same as 1998 ) just barely beat Flex by 3 points , Dorian obliterated Flex in 1993 when he was eons better than 1998. therefore peak Ronnie wouldn't come close to peak Dorian. simple as that.didn't dorian get a perfect score at the 97 olympia too?
This has been explained to you numerous times but don't like the answer
Peak Ronnie 1998 Mr Olympia ( or 2001 ASC basically the same as 1998 ) just barely beat Flex by 3 points , Dorian obliterated Flex in 1993 when he was eons better than 1998. therefore peak Ronnie wouldn't come close to peak Dorian. simple as that.
This has been explained to you numerous times but don't like the answer
and it has been explained to how numerous times how wrong and flawed this argument is.
you cant base a bodybuilding comparsion between two competitors simply based on numbers on a score sheet from two different contests 5 years apart.
yes dorian obliterated Flex in 93, who was better than in 98
ronnie on paper narrowly beat flex in 98 who was worse than in 98.
however, a 3 point margin in 98 is not the same as a 3 point margin in 93.
does this look like a narrow 3 point lead: fuck no. it was an obliteration.:
Didn't Dorian get a perfect score in 97? what about 93? cause you know judging is fucked up if he scored the same in 97 as 93.
it's even worse if he scored better in 97. someone give me some insight here.
scorecard shows only a 3 point difference? hahahahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahhaaha
just goes to show you, different scoresheets in different contests in different times cannot be compared mathematically and have the numbers have any bearing to a direct physical comparison between two competitors at different contests.
its comparing apples and oranges.
owning ND is just so damn easy.
^
does that look like a slim victory?
hell no.
ronnie obliterated Flex in 98 just as easily as dorian obliterated Flex in 93
in fact, he was even farther ahead.
simple as that.
numbers on a page don't tell you the real story. you have to look onstage too.
as you have just been taught quite readily.
No it's not if you understand how contests are judged. Which obviously you don't.I'm right, you're wrong. I can play this game too.
Didn't Dorian get a perfect score in 97? what about 93? cause you know judging is fucked up if he scored the same in 97 as 93.
it's even worse if he scored better in 97. someone give me some insight here.
No, this is cringe worthy
No, this is cringe worthy
I'm right, you're wrong. I can play this game too.
No, this is cringe worthyLook at Ronnie's pregnant midsection! He's not winning anything, Dorian looks streamlined compared to that mess. Everyone can argue who would have won this and that but at the end of the day Dorian and Ronnie DID compete against each other. Who won? Dorian, thread over. I'm a fan of neither by the way
Dorian was unbelievable (u had to see him in person....luckily i got to see him in the era where they were still doing seminars..he was ahead of his time in terms of freakiness/first guy i ever saw guest pose besides Vic Richards at 300 plus pounds) that being said imo the best bodybuilder of all time is Ronnie Coleman
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watching Ronnie guest pose during his 03 Mr Olympia prep was the freakiest thing I ever saw. He made the other pros look like amateursHe's fucking huge there. What the hell could he wear for pants? Like sweatpants and that's it lol
the latest issue of MD magazine has a Ronnie Coleman Interview with Peter McGough. Thought you might like
most experts agree that Ronnie has the best physique of all-time. McGough makes special mention to differentiate this from ad populum
Peter McGough - MD, October 2012
"If you want to find out who is the best baseball hitter in history, the thing to do is go to the experts, the ones who really know the game: the players, past and present. Ask pro bodybuilders past and present who the greatest Mr. Olympia was or is in terms of sheer physical development, and the one name that is repeated most often is Ronnie Coleman. The performance that seals it for them is the 287 conditioned and gargantuan pounds that simply overpowered his 2003 Olympia rivals."
Ronnie admits his pre-Olympia reign version would lose to Dorian but says that Dorian wouldn't be able to hang with him during his prime
Ronnie Coleman - Interview with Peter McGough in MD, 2012
"It's difficult to compare Mr. Olympias from different eras. Like there's always talk about who was the best, me or Dorian? Well, I couldn't hang with Dorian when he was on top and I don't think he could have hung with me when I was on top."
Ronnie doesn't even acknowledge Dorian as the best bodybuilder he competed against
Ronnie Coleman Interview with Peter McGough in MD, 2012
Peter: "Who’s the greatest bodybuilder you ever competed against?"
Ronnie: "Flex [Wheeler]. He had that combination of full muscle bellies, shape, condition and mass."
McGough explicitly states that Ronnie has the best back of all-time
Peter McGough - MD, October 2012
"Ronnie Coleman attained the best back development the sport has ever seen."
Add one more to the list of former Mr. Olympias who say Ronnie's physique is the best ever. That makes 5 total Mr. Olympias
Lee Haney - MD, October 2012
"Ronnie is a freak of nature. He took bodybuilding to another planet. He had it all - mass, balance and mind-blowing muscle. I think with my size, symmetry and lines, at 250 pounds I was able to project the Wow! factor. Add another 35 pounds and that's what Ronnie's projecting with."
the latest issue of MD magazine has a Ronnie Coleman Interview with Peter McGough. Thought you might like
most experts agree that Ronnie has the best physique of all-time. McGough makes special mention to differentiate this from ad populum
Peter McGough - MD, October 2012
"If you want to find out who is the best baseball hitter in history, the thing to do is go to the experts, the ones who really know the game: the players, past and present. Ask pro bodybuilders past and present who the greatest Mr. Olympia was or is in terms of sheer physical development, and the one name that is repeated most often is Ronnie Coleman. The performance that seals it for them is the 287 conditioned and gargantuan pounds that simply overpowered his 2003 Olympia rivals."
Ronnie admits his pre-Olympia reign version would lose to Dorian but says that Dorian wouldn't be able to hang with him during his prime
Ronnie Coleman - Interview with Peter McGough in MD, 2012
"It's difficult to compare Mr. Olympias from different eras. Like there's always talk about who was the best, me or Dorian? Well, I couldn't hang with Dorian when he was on top and I don't think he could have hung with me when I was on top."
Ronnie doesn't even acknowledge Dorian as the best bodybuilder he competed against
Ronnie Coleman Interview with Peter McGough in MD, 2012
Peter: "Who’s the greatest bodybuilder you ever competed against?"
Ronnie: "Flex [Wheeler]. He had that combination of full muscle bellies, shape, condition and mass."
McGough explicitly states that Ronnie has the best back of all-time
Peter McGough - MD, October 2012
"Ronnie Coleman attained the best back development the sport has ever seen."
Add one more to the list of former Mr. Olympias who say Ronnie's physique is the best ever. That makes 5 total Mr. Olympias
Lee Haney - MD, October 2012
"Ronnie is a freak of nature. He took bodybuilding to another planet. He had it all - mass, balance and mind-blowing muscle. I think with my size, symmetry and lines, at 250 pounds I was able to project the Wow! factor. Add another 35 pounds and that's what Ronnie's projecting with."
Peter McGough - MD, October 2012
"If you want to find out who is the best baseball hitter in history, the thing to do is go to the experts, the ones who really know the game: the players, past and present. Ask pro bodybuilders past and present who the greatest Mr. Olympia was or is in terms of sheer physical development, and the one name that is repeated most often is Ronnie Coleman. The performance that seals it for them is the 287 conditioned and gargantuan pounds that simply overpowered his 2003 Olympia rivals."
Ronnie Coleman - Interview with Peter McGough in MD, 2012
"It's difficult to compare Mr. Olympias from different eras. Like there's always talk about who was the best, me or Dorian? Well, I couldn't hang with Dorian when he was on top and I don't think he could have hung with me when I was on top."
ND just died on the inside ;D
Peter McGough - MD, October 2012[/b]
"Ronnie Coleman attained the best back development the sport has ever seen."
Add one more to the list of former Mr. Olympias who say Ronnie's physique is the best ever. That makes 5 total Mr. Olympias
Lee Haney - MD, October 2012
"Ronnie is a freak of nature. He took bodybuilding to another planet. He had it all - mass, balance and mind-blowing muscle. I think with my size, symmetry and lines, at 250 pounds I was able to project the Wow! factor. Add another 35 pounds and that's what Ronnie's projecting with."
Dorians nut huggers received final blow. ;D Good job NeoSeminole!
Wait this was the final blow , but no Ronnie was a liar and stupid and not a credible source. It's awesome to see all the fanboy now praising Ronnie and his word .
final blow is when you fanboys now have to admit Ronnie is some how ;)
Special Ed : Ronnie of Dorian competed in 1998 would you have smoked him?
Ronnie Coleman : NO I think he would have kept on winning as long as he competed I don't think he would have lost.
Taken out of FLEX nov 1999, page 90. interview by jim schmaltz with ronnie before the 99 Olympia.
Jim: What would have happened last year if Dorian Yates (recently retired winner of 6 straight Mr. Olympias) had competed?
Ronnie: Dorian would have won again.
Jim: You think so?
Ronnie: I know so. Dorian has a big physique - hard- and he's been the man to beat, and its hard to knock the champion off the block. He's a big guy and has a lot going for him.
;D sissy
I am quoting Peter McGough and Lee Haney! ;D
Good to have Lee Haney supporting Ronnie ;D :D :D :D
Peter McGough - MD, October 2012[/b]
"Ronnie Coleman attained the best back development the sport has ever seen."
Add one more to the list of former Mr. Olympias who say Ronnie's physique is the best ever. That makes 5 total Mr. Olympias
Lee Haney - MD, October 2012
"Ronnie is a freak of nature. He took bodybuilding to another planet. He had it all - mass, balance and mind-blowing muscle. I think with my size, symmetry and lines, at 250 pounds I was able to project the Wow! factor. Add another 35 pounds and that's what Ronnie's projecting with."
Lee Haney finally decided this ever green fight between Ronnies and Dorians fanboys.
Time to let this thread finally die. :)
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wow. ND on suicide watch now.
how embarassing it must be to be him right now.
How embarrassing to for you morons you're the guys who dismissed him as an idiot and wrong. If anything this proves how pathetic you are now all the sudden he gets it right ::)
the jokes on all of you morons who cried up and down he's not a credible source. ;)
The truth is the likes of Hulkster & Neo know very little about competitive bodybuilding. I bet they haven't been following the sport for as long as we have. They obviously grew up in the early 2000s and that's why Coleman is like a God to them. Yates competed in his first Olympia the year I started training. But unlike the Coleman nut-huggers I fully understand how contests are judged and know exactly why the Shadow won 6 Olympias. Despite all the injuries, he had fewer flaws than all the other competitors. Simple as!Yeah interesting post, i started Training way back in 88 when Haney was Still the Best, and i STILL recall @ the Time "Thinking" Arnold would beat Haney no ifs/buts/maybes....Why??.... simple...because like alot of Guys that knew/know F-all about it, Arnold had "Bigger arms" Haney had "crap" arms so he would "Lose"...as time moves on you learn to understand COMPLETE BALANCE of the Physique FIRST and foremost is where All things START....and imo usually where it ends....as in the Result,
wow. ND on suicide watch now.
how embarassing it must be to be him right now.
Dorian was unbelievable (u had to see him in person....luckily i got to see him in the era where they were still doing seminars..he was ahead of his time in terms of freakiness/first guy i ever saw guest pose besides Vic Richards at 300 plus pounds) that being said imo the best bodybuilder of all time is Ronnie ColemanYip i saw Yates @ a Seminar in 1995, Victor Richards in NZ in 1994 as a Guess Poser and Coleman in 04-05 Coming out of Reliys Gym in Sydney, the Thing i recall About Yates was his FOREARMS :o :o :o :o they didnt look Human and well his Calves etc as Expected were MASSIVE etc, the Biggest arms and Quads i ever saw in Person was Victor Richards :o :o :o he was (or reported to be) 300 odd Pounds back then, i had Big arms and Quads back then... next to him they looked like a Child's, i just got a Brief view of Coleman coming out of Reliys with a Old-school looking Animal top and Saddles on, his Traps looked Ridiculous and Massive he was Shorter than his Reported height of 5ft 11....closer to 5ft 9 IMO, his Arms were Massive and Cut mini hose like veins across, like you've said Micheal these Guys were all Unbelievable back in their Day, seeing Pictures and Videos is One thing.....in Person is something else.
Flex wheeler is the greatest ever, period. Lard ass Dorian had no aesthetics, no arms, no taper, and a gut. but because his asshole was striated he wins. so fucking gay this cult is
Same with ronnie. Grotesque body, 40 inch gut, but still won
ND: guilty of what he charges Neo with.
posts ronnie's quotes about dorian winning. then says they don't count when ronnie says he would win.
I still don't get why the greatest bodybuilder of all time would be sporting calves like these. I know some will say that Yates' arms were shit too but prior to the bicep tear in 1994 they were almost flawless IMO. Something that can’t be said about Coleman's toothpick calves. It's always been embarrassing to look at.Is he the Greatest BBer of all time....If your going on Statistics its 8 a piece to Him and Haney, Bye the same token Yates was NEVER Defeated after 1991...thats in the Olympia, GP, or anything else his win/lost record is 100% after 1991.... those 3 guys Contest Results win/lose Records are all in the Mix Haney/Coleman/Yates and why we are @ it Arnold @ 7 wins is there as well Never Losing again after the 1969 Olympia, there's no Certainty Coleman is in fact the "Greatest" of all time, you have 3 other Guys who could claim that Distinction.
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Is he the Greatest BBer of all time....If your going on Statistics its 8 a piece to Him and Haney, Bye the same token Yates was NEVER Defeated after 1991...thats in the Olympia, GP, or anything else his win/lost record is 100% after 1991.... those 3 guys Contest Results win/lose Records are all in the Mix Haney/Coleman/Yates and why we are @ it Arnold @ 7 wins is there as well Never Losing again after the 1969 Olympia, there's no Certainty Coleman is in fact the "Greatest" of all time, you have 4 other Guys who could claim that Distinction.
No, in my opinion Dorian Yates is the greatest of all time and Bodybuilding.com shares my view. Although Ronnie Coleman turned out the be the greatest winner (and loser) of all time I don't think that alone makes him the greatest and the same goes for Lee Haney.Yip everyone sees Different Ideals in what they Believe is the Best, if you had to break it Down who was the Greatest MR OLYMPIA of all time...well thats a No brainier....Haney or Coleman @ 8 Wins each and if your going off Win/lost Record to Break the Tie...its Haney Full stop, when someone says The Greatest of ALL TIME.....here's the Kicker....Bill Pearl Won the Professional MR UNIVERSE in 3 Different DECADES....1950s...1960s ....1971 none of the above can Claim that sort of Distinction though Time.
great shot of dorian 93 but as you can see ronnie beats him
dorian's shit arms ruin the pose and his back is hard but thin and flat.
ronnie's is much thicker even at 247 pounds vs 257.
dorian often overdieted and came in flat, something ronnie did in 2002 etc.
lol @ ND still clinging to old quotes. The most recent quotes are the only ones that matter. Ronnie says Dorian would lose to him at his prime and doesn't even consider Dorian the best bodybuilder he competed against ;D
ND: guilty of what he charges Neo with.The difference being , I said that even because Ronnie said it doesn't make it true. and I said it don't count not because I don't agree with it but because Neo said Ronnie is NOT a credible source and he had a low IQ
posts ronnie's quotes about dorian winning. then says they don't count when ronnie says he would win.
The best thing to do is not count what Ronnie or Dorian says about if either of them will win. Use quotes from everyone else (bodybuilders, experts, writers, etc.) for the debate, but then again MOST of the (bodybuilders, experts, writers, etc.) are in favor of Ronnie as being the best bodybuilder of All-Time. So, that should end the debate. There is no need to argue over and over.
I know, right? ND keeps getting owned in this thread. The only worse ownage I've seen was Sucky in the call out thread
great shot of dorian 93 but as you can see ronnie beats him
dorian's shit arms ruin the pose and his back is hard but thin and flat.
ronnie's is much thicker even at 247 pounds vs 257.
dorian often overdieted and came in flat, something ronnie did in 2002 etc.
The best thing to do is not count what Ronnie or Dorian says about if either of them will win. Use quotes from everyone else (bodybuilders, experts, writers, etc.) for the debate, but then again MOST of the (bodybuilders, experts, writers, etc.) are in favor of Ronnie as being the best bodybuilder of All-Time. So, that should end the debate. There is no need to argue over and over.A Dorian fan
A Dorian fan
Not a Dorian fanboy
Good post
hahaha yates back is "thin and flat," now we've heard it all ::)
its thin in flat relative to vastly thicker Ronnie's back, something the dorian nuthuggers may never understand... ::)
but then, to say peak ronnie gets beat by anyone isn't exactly smart..
its thin in flat relative to vastly thicker Ronnie's back, something the dorian nuthuggers may never understand... ::)
but then, to say peak ronnie gets beat by anyone isn't exactly smart..
No it isn't thin and flat in comparison either. The bulk of Ronnie's back bunches up much higher in poses...
You have NO clue whose back is thicker especially based on a 2D picture with different lighting and different angles
great shot of dorian 93 but as you can see ronnie beats him
dorian's shit arms ruin the pose and his back is hard but thin and flat.
ronnie's is much thicker even at 247 pounds vs 257.
dorian often overdieted and came in flat, something ronnie did in 2002 etc.
Ronnie's back was better than Dorian's. Flex magazine agrees, Peter McGough agrees, and even Ronnie himself said so;)
The 20 Best Backs of All Time - Flex, March 2008
4. Lee Haney
3. Joel Stubbs
2. Dorian Yates
1. Ronnie Coleman
Peter McGough - Muscular Development, October 2012
"Ronnie Coleman attained the best back development the sport has ever seen."
Ronnie's Facebook Page
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Ronnie's back was better than Dorian's. Flex magazine agrees, Peter McGough agrees, and even Ronnie himself said so
The 20 Best Backs of All Time - Flex, March 2008
4. Lee Haney
3. Joel Stubbs
2. Dorian Yates
1. Ronnie Coleman
Peter McGough - Muscular Development, October 2012
"Ronnie Coleman attained the best back development the sport has ever seen."
Ronnie's Facebook Page
I don't care what Ronnie says b/c he's not a credible source
Neo you're just like a weasel politician always flip-flopping
First, I didn't disagree with Peter McGough's claim that Ronnie was never harder or drier than Dorian.
again your quote
I'm sorry but Peter McGough is an idiot if he thinks 01 ASC Ronnie never surpassed Dorian's conditioning.
I will post why ND's judging argument is wrong logically, I thought this was obvious but he keeps spouting bullshit so I might as well.
Judging cannot be extrapolated through years. It is a thing of the moment decided by "objective criteria" and only if you were ready to admit that the IFBB has any sort of objectivity you can defend this.
If you do, as the ignorant Dorian fanboys do, you will pressed to admit then than Branch Warren is, at least, a physique on par with Kevin and Flex, both of which never won an O and have AC's.
If you do, youd be hard pressed to admit then that Cutler is a physique on par with Dorian, as, supposedly, there was objective criteria applied to both physiques by the "objective" pannel of judges the IFBB chooses. This of course, is a factual matter, which by the way, has been impoied and explicitated by both parties of this discussion, we have all said how shitty the IFBB judges are, this is NOT up to debate.
Lastly, you point of comparison Flex vs Dorian vs Coleman implicilty implies a judgement out side of the criteria for you have provided no reason why Dorian is better than Flex on 93 other than saying that Dorian won, you are basically saying Dorian won because Dorian won, which is tautological and of no value to the discussion.
GOD DAMN IM GOOD.
ND won't recover. He has been owned so bad in this thread. I knew the day would come when new quotes become available that refute everything he says. I warned him for years that he shouldn't quote Ronnie b/c he isn't a reliable source, but noooooo. The idiot kept quoting him anyways as some kind of 'trump card' to overrule all the quotes from other bodybuilding experts. Now the day has come when Ronnie not only says Dorian couldn't hang with him at his prime, but also says his back was better than Dorian's and doesn't even acknowledge Dorian as the best bodybuilder he ever faced
Neo you're the only one who got owned and you knew it was coming when you posted those quotes from Ronnie too.
The difference between you and I moron is , I always maintained even because Ronnie said it , it doesn't make it true. You on the other hand called him a moron claimed you didn't care what he had to say and then you thought you struck gold lol
It backfired and blew up in your face Ronnie is wrong and an idiot when he said Dorian would beat him but right when he said he wouldn't .
You fail I will never let you escape this fact.
how does it feel ND? ;)
Ronnie Coleman - Interview with Peter McGough in MD, October 2012
"I don't think [Dorian] could have hung with me when I was on top."
Ronnie Coleman Interview with Peter McGough in MD, October 2012
Peter: "Who’s the greatest bodybuilder you ever competed against?"
Ronnie: "Flex [Wheeler]. He had that combination of full muscle bellies, shape, condition and mass."
Ronnie's Facebook Page
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=410488.0;attach=454204;image)
I will post why ND's judging argument is wrong logically, I thought this was obvious but he keeps spouting bullshit so I might as well.
Judging cannot be extrapolated through years. It is a thing of the moment decided by "objective criteria" and only if you were ready to admit that the IFBB has any sort of objectivity you can defend this.
If you do, as the ignorant Dorian fanboys do, you will pressed to admit then than Branch Warren is, at least, a physique on par with Kevin and Flex, both of which never won an O and have AC's.
If you do, youd be hard pressed to admit then that Cutler is a physique on par with Dorian, as, supposedly, there was objective criteria applied to both physiques by the "objective" pannel of judges the IFBB chooses. This of course, is a factual matter, which by the way, has been impoied and explicitated by both parties of this discussion, we have all said how shitty the IFBB judges are, this is NOT up to debate.
Lastly, you point of comparison Flex vs Dorian vs Coleman implicilty implies a judgement out side of the criteria for you have provided no reason why Dorian is better than Flex on 93 other than saying that Dorian won, you are basically saying Dorian won because Dorian won, which is tautological and of no value to the discussion.
GOD DAMN IM GOOD.
how does it feel ND? ;)
Ronnie Coleman - Interview with Peter McGough in MD, October 2012
"I don't think [Dorian] could have hung with me when I was on top."
Ronnie Coleman - Interview with Peter McGough in MD, October 2012
Peter: "Who’s the greatest bodybuilder you ever competed against?"
Ronnie: "Flex [Wheeler]. He had that combination of full muscle bellies, shape, condition and mass."
^^^ aww, where's Dorian? ;D
Ronnie's Facebook Page
I will post why ND's judging argument is wrong logically, I thought this was obvious but he keeps spouting bullshit so I might as well.
Judging cannot be extrapolated through years. It is a thing of the moment decided by "objective criteria" and only if you were ready to admit that the IFBB has any sort of objectivity you can defend this.
If you do, as the ignorant Dorian fanboys do, you will pressed to admit then than Branch Warren is, at least, a physique on par with Kevin and Flex, both of which never won an O and have AC's.
If you do, youd be hard pressed to admit then that Cutler is a physique on par with Dorian, as, supposedly, there was objective criteria applied to both physiques by the "objective" pannel of judges the IFBB chooses. This of course, is a factual matter, which by the way, has been impoied and explicitated by both parties of this discussion, we have all said how shitty the IFBB judges are, this is NOT up to debate.
Lastly, you point of comparison Flex vs Dorian vs Coleman implicilty implies a judgement out side of the criteria for you have provided no reason why Dorian is better than Flex on 93 other than saying that Dorian won, you are basically saying Dorian won because Dorian won, which is tautological and of no value to the discussion.
GOD DAMN IM GOOD.
I will post why ND's judging argument is wrong logically, I thought this was obvious but he keeps spouting bullshit so I might as well.
Judging cannot be extrapolated through years. It is a thing of the moment decided by "objective criteria" and only if you were ready to admit that the IFBB has any sort of objectivity you can defend this.
If you do, as the ignorant Dorian fanboys do, you will pressed to admit then than Branch Warren is, at least, a physique on par with Kevin and Flex, both of which never won an O and have AC's.
If you do, youd be hard pressed to admit then that Cutler is a physique on par with Dorian, as, supposedly, there was objective criteria applied to both physiques by the "objective" pannel of judges the IFBB chooses. This of course, is a factual matter, which by the way, has been impoied and explicitated by both parties of this discussion, we have all said how shitty the IFBB judges are, this is NOT up to debate.
Lastly, you point of comparison Flex vs Dorian vs Coleman implicilty implies a judgement out side of the criteria for you have provided no reason why Dorian is better than Flex on 93 other than saying that Dorian won, you are basically saying Dorian won because Dorian won, which is tautological and of no value to the discussion.
GOD DAMN IM GOOD.
Good work neo...
Good work at making himself look like a hypocrite that's all
He doesn't care about what Ronnie says , Ronnie is a moron according to him , now it's good work? of course it is to a fanboy like you , and you're a hypocrite as well because you were just bitching to me about the Ronnie quotes from magazines and how you wont believe them unless you see a video but you'll take these on faith as accurate and correct even though magazines get it all wrong all the time. ::)
Ronnie is right when he says Dorian couldn't hang with but when he said he couldn't beat Dorian, he was being humble , gracious , he was dumb , a moron , who cares about what he says , we don't even really know if he said them without video proof ::)
the difference between you guys and me? I never claimed just because he said it true , I always said the only ones who matter are 12 judges everyone is just an opinion.
ND won't recover. He has been owned so bad in this thread. I knew the day would come when new quotes become available that refute everything he says. I warned him for years that he shouldn't quote Ronnie b/c he isn't a reliable source, but noooooo. The idiot kept quoting him anyways as some kind of 'trump card' to overrule all the quotes from other bodybuilding experts. Now the day has come when Ronnie not only says Dorian couldn't hang with him at his prime, but also says his back was better than Dorian's and doesn't even acknowledge Dorian as the best bodybuilder he ever faced
Ronnie always struck me as having a touch of the downs but what he said in regards to him and Dorian is correct because of the inherent structure of the sport.
It actually mirrors what i said about the situation a few weeks ago. Send Dorian forward in time and he losses, send Ronnie back in time and he loses, it's all politics and dynasties.
Difference being that the sport progressed in regards to size and freakyness after Dorian retired and that's the direction that the powers that be pushed it in. Ronnie out Dorian's Dorian. Lets be real neither won anything due to balance and proportion most years, it was the most mass, most conditioning, most freakyness, Ronnie wins two out of the three criteria.
End of the day, Ronnie only came into his own when somebody had to tell him that covering your french fries in tons of sauce pre-contest isn't going to help you come in at your best...that by default makes Dorian better ;D
honestly where did Ronnie improve from 97-98? conditioning. It's not like he was 225lbs in 97 and then 98 he was 250 , he already had the size , he was 255lbs in 1997 but soft , he completely dried out in 98 and won. It's not like he improved on any weaknesses or brought up muscle groups , he got lean
Proof that Lee Haney doesn't know what he's talking about.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=440240.0;attach=483445;image)
ronnie with relaxed midsection vs Haney doing vacuum and flexed pose, good job :D
Ronnie was lazy to control his midsection, if he practised some kind of vacuum exercises he would be probably able to make his midsection look better. ( like yates did when his midsection was going out of control).
Relaxed yates with his gut.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=210680.0;attach=246311;image)
Ronnie controling his midsection, same contest.
(http://muscletime.com/index.php?view=image&format=raw&type=img&id=41528&option=com_joomgallery&Itemid=202)
I'm sorry Ronnie but wearing extra long socks makes no difference to the size of your under developed calves. Give it up.
(http://forum.ronnie.cz/images/uploads/img_1226959300_1.jpg)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=437414.0;attach=483807;image)
Ronnie Coleman never had back development better than this:
Ronnie had one of the two sickest backs ever and he looked shitty in the FLS. Why? Did he not know how to hit the pose?
yes. but when he did hit it properly he killed even 93 dorian:Yeah that one pic is like one or two I've seen where he hits it right. I dont get it
dorian's best ever pose and he STILL loses to a 99 Ronald Dean Coleman.
amazing. :o :o :o :o :o
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_mC1TEdZ4gks/TCuueiWz1sI/AAAAAAAAMFA/-hP3irGwVZI/s1600/Ronnie+Coleman+in+1998+-+01+-+www.Musclebase.Blogspot.com.JPG)(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=408207.0;attach=450627;image)(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=408207.0;attach=450628;image)(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=408207.0;attach=450641;image)(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=408207.0;attach=450625;image)
He doesn't look so amazing to me. He looks so akward hitting the FLS it's laughable. He also looks bow legged or knock kneed. I'm guessing he had rickets as a child.
Yates showing Coleman how to hit the front lat-spread and side chest. Your man doesn't look so big now does he? It's amazing what happens when you make it an even playing field.
Can you say wide...man those shots are unbeatable.
8)
(http://pics.musculardevelopment.com/photos/jrcal05/rc_8879.jpg)
(http://pics.musculardevelopment.com/photos/jrcal05/rc_8865.jpg)
:o
(http://www.gmv.com.au/images/catalog/Coleman%20Fibo.jpg)
Greatest of all time
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=408207.0;attach=450627;image)
round muscle dense thing vasclar striated and huge....
NO one has hit that level yet.....
i laugh when people compare dorian to that
Coleman is so far agead of everyone else it's ridiculous
look @ these pics
all this shit talk about Yates being grainy
these pics of COleman define"grainy"
"Grainy" is what happens when you (or anyone) doesn't wear posing oil.
Coleman is so far agead of everyone else it's ridiculous
I am a huge Dorian fan but even I can admit he's not close to Coleman.. Ronnie was from another planet..
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Time for old pictures of the G.O.A.T
(http://forum.ronnie.cz/images/uploads/img_1226959300_1.jpg)
(http://forum.ronnie.cz/images/uploads/img_1226867925_1.jpg)
(http://forum.ronnie.cz/images/uploads/img_1226871128_3.jpg)
(http://forum.ronnie.cz/images/uploads/img_1226871174_1.jpg)
(http://forum.ronnie.cz/images/uploads/img_1226871174_2.jpg)
that has to be the smallest version of Nasser I've ever seen!!!
that has to be the smallest version of Nasser I've ever seen!!!yeah both 2D not quite 3d yet soon enough tho......ronnies ab genetics were bad then they just as he got bigger and bigger more pushed out and away not forming into true abs...
Mars I think.
dorian was from Planet Fridge. 8)