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Title: Gun control
Post by: be back on February 28, 2018, 11:46:55 PM

Title: Re: Gun control
Post by: Pray_4_War on March 01, 2018, 12:41:40 AM



Didn't watch.  Jim Jefffries is a doped up idiot.  His opinion is completely worthless. 
Title: Re: Gun control
Post by: be back on March 01, 2018, 12:46:33 AM
Didn't watch.  Jim Jefffries is a doped up idiot.  His opinion is completely worthless. 

hes right about the American reasoning for guns,,,
Title: Re: Gun control
Post by: Matt on March 01, 2018, 02:28:19 AM
hes right about the American reasoning for guns,,,

You and him and the other unarmed leftists will have a hard battle taking guns away from the 90+ million American citizens who own 300+ million guns.

So good luck with that.  I'm, sure you and Jefferies will be sooo successful confiscating those 300+ million guns.  Maybe tell a joke to the gun owner, and he will give you his guns?  ???
Title: Re: Gun control
Post by: calfzilla on March 01, 2018, 02:48:57 AM
If we ban guns I hope there is an exception made for wealthy people to still have armed guards.
Title: Re: Gun control
Post by: Ropo on March 01, 2018, 03:54:46 AM
Didn't watch.  Jim Jefffries is a doped up idiot.  His opinion is completely worthless. 

And full of shit: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_in_Australia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_in_Australia) No mass murders since gun ban? Really? Reality seem to have different "facts"..Let see. 79 people killed in mass murders after Port Arthur massacre. Make some comedy about that?  ;D
Title: Re: Gun control
Post by: Bindare_Dundat on March 01, 2018, 04:36:49 AM
the guys an annoying girl.
Title: Re: Gun control
Post by: SuperTed on March 01, 2018, 04:46:23 AM
Although an obnoxious retard, this was some funny stuff from Jefferies.
Title: Re: Gun control
Post by: Tapeworm on March 01, 2018, 04:55:10 AM
hes right about the American reasoning for guns,,,

Nah.  It's a good standup bit but protection is a genuine reason in the US.  'Cause, you know, every cunt's got a gun.
Title: Re: Gun control
Post by: Sexybeast777 on March 01, 2018, 07:37:57 AM
i'm big on 2nd amendment
Title: Re: Gun control
Post by: be back on March 01, 2018, 07:57:10 AM
"Responsible" gun owners shoot themselves in the foot(sorry).

I have my gun for protection
What about the dangers of your kids getting access to the gun
Hey, Im responsible, I always keep it in the safe
Then its no fucking use to you is it?

If you leave the gun in a place thats easily accessable to you then you aint all that responsible.
Title: Re: Gun control
Post by: be back on March 01, 2018, 07:58:47 AM
You and him and the other unarmed leftists will have a hard battle taking guns away from the 90+ million American citizens who own 300+ million guns.

So good luck with that.  I'm, sure you and Jefferies will be sooo successful confiscating those 300+ million guns.  Maybe tell a joke to the gun owner, and he will give you his guns?  ???

I have as much chance of doing that as you have of writing something worth reading...
Title: Re: Gun control
Post by: Tapeworm on March 01, 2018, 08:48:25 AM
"Responsible" gun owners shoot themselves in the foot(sorry).

I have my gun for protection
What about the dangers of your kids getting access to the gun
Hey, Im responsible, I always keep it in the safe
Then its no fucking use to you is it?

If you leave the gun in a place thats easily accessable to you then you aint all that responsible.

People don't have children in their house for most of their lives and spend most of their day away from the house.

You're missing a good troll here.  It's also true.  The problem isn't guns (as Americans love to remind you).  There are plenty of guns in other countries and these things don't happen.  The problem, therefore, is the Americans.
Title: Re: Gun control
Post by: chaos on March 01, 2018, 09:43:03 AM
People don't have children in their house for most of their lives and spend most of their day away from the house.

You're missing a good troll here.  It's also true.  The problem isn't guns (as Americans love to remind you).  There are plenty of guns in other countries and these things don't happen.  The problem, therefore, is the American medical industry that prescribes mounds of mind altering pills to our young.
Fixed
Title: Re: Gun control
Post by: Princess L on March 01, 2018, 12:20:12 PM
https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/crime/2018/02/26/would-carjacker-shot-killed-concealed-carry-holder-outside-milwaukee-business-officials-say/374652002/

Police have released the identity of a 21-year-old would-be carjacker who was shot and killed by his intended victim early Monday.

Police identified the carjacker Tuesday morning as Carlos D. Martin, a convicted felon. Martin was armed with a gun and trying to carjack a 24-year-old man who was heading into work shortly before 6 a.m. Monday, Milwaukee Police Capt. Andra Williams said.

The 24-year-old had a valid concealed carry license and fatally shot Martin, said Ald. Cavalier Johnson, who called a news conference late Monday about the shooting.

The incident occurred outside a business in the 8800 block of W. Fond du Lac Ave. and was the first reported fatal shooting in Johnson's northwest side district this year.

The shooter, who lives outside the city, stayed at the scene, gave a voluntary statement and is cooperating with the investigation, Williams said.

Police believe a second car may have been involved with the attempted carjacking and are searching for a green Chrysler Pacifica, Williams said.

According to circuit court records, Martin was convicted in 2015 of felony battery and in 2016 of burglary.

Once the investigation is complete, officers will refer the case to the Milwaukee County District Attorney's Office so prosecutors can determine whether it was justified self-defense.

“Before the summer starts, this should be a warning," Williams said. "This should be a wake-up call to everyone in the community that this is not a game."

Johnson urged residents to talk to their loved ones, particularly young men, about their choices.

“That young man didn’t have to die today, he didn’t have to lose his life, but he made a bad decision and he did," Johnson said. “He didn’t have to harm someone else, either."

The topic of concealed carry has drawn heated debate at Milwaukee City Hall in recent months, with Common Council members voting to ban city contractors from carrying firearms to work sites.

RELATED: Milwaukee Common Council moves to ban city contractors from carrying weapons

Asked about the issue Monday, Johnson said the two issues were "different" and he still believes city employees, except law enforcement, and contractors should not carry firearms.

He also said he didn't necessarily think residents in his district need to arm themselves, saying it is one of the safer areas of the city and "pretty quiet."

Williams said he's often asked by residents how to prevent carjackings.

"The best thing you can do is be aware of your surroundings, be aware of the people that are around you as you go about your day," Williams said.

"You can’t live in fear that something is going to happen to you because Milwaukee actually is quite a safe city and that's something you have to emphasize over and over again," he said.

Johnson & Williams are so full of $shit  ::)  6 shootings today alone and it's only 2:20pm

SpotCrime's Milwaukee, Wisconsin crime map shows 1914 assaults, 811 shootings, 668 burglaries, 1425 thefts, 247 robberies, 573 vandalism, and 334 arrests over a one month period. The previous month crime map in Milwaukee, Wisconsin showed 1973 assaults, 1229 shootings, 770 burglaries, 1662 thefts, 234 robberies, 505 vandalism, and 334 arrests.

The "victim"  ::)
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/newpix/2018/02/27/20/49A36E8000000578-5442043-image-m-74_1519762843647.jpg)(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/newpix/2018/02/27/20/49A36E8D00000578-5442043-The_21_year_old_carjacking_suspect_was_shot_dead_in_Milwaukee_Mo-a-72_1519762838137.jpg)
Title: Re: Gun control
Post by: be back on March 01, 2018, 12:32:14 PM
Quote
Once the investigation is complete, officers will refer the case to the Milwaukee County District Attorney's Office so prosecutors can determine whether it was justified self-defense.

and if they decide it wasnt poor gun guy is doing 20 years.....
Title: Re: Gun control
Post by: Parker on March 01, 2018, 12:45:58 PM
and if they decide it wasnt poor gun guy is doing 20 years.....
Maybe, maybe not. As the saying goes, "better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6"
Title: Re: Gun control
Post by: be back on March 01, 2018, 01:14:22 PM
Maybe, maybe not. As the saying goes, "better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6"

"Too many cooks spoil the broth"
"Many hands make light work"
Title: Re: Gun control
Post by: Parker on March 01, 2018, 01:27:11 PM
"Too many cooks spoil the broth"
"Many hands make light work"
Agreed. Much truth in those sayings.
Title: Re: Gun control
Post by: SOMEPARTS on March 01, 2018, 02:27:37 PM
and if they decide it wasnt poor gun guy is doing 20 years.....


It's been established by the left that it is the gun's fault for existing.....so give the gun life in prison and let the guy defending himself go about his day.
Title: Re: Gun control
Post by: Pray_4_War on March 01, 2018, 02:28:28 PM
From this point on my answer to calls for gun control is "Fuck you, come and take them".

Most gun owners have been reasonable up to this point and it's gotten us nowhere.  The time for debating and compromising is over.

"Fuck you, come and take them"  Learn it, know it.
Title: Re: Gun control
Post by: Matt on March 01, 2018, 05:24:54 PM
If you leave the gun in a place thats easily accessable to you then you aint all that responsible.

Of course your gun needs to be accessible.  If children are around, you need take precautions, just as you would take precautions with bleach of coffee being around children.  You need to ensure that THEY - the children - can't access the gun.

Of course YOU need access to any firearms you own.

I'm just happy that there are so many guns in the USA that there is no way for this conversation to go anywhere. :)
Title: Re: Gun control
Post by: chaos on March 01, 2018, 07:37:57 PM
"Responsible" gun owners shoot themselves in the foot(sorry).

I have my gun for protection
What about the dangers of your kids getting access to the gun
Hey, Im responsible, I always keep it in the safe
Then its no fucking use to you is it?

If you leave the gun in a place thats easily accessable to you then you aint all that responsible.
You ever heard of a biometric safe? Ever heard of teaching kids gun safety?
Title: Re: Gun control
Post by: oldtimer1 on March 01, 2018, 07:42:09 PM
For me gun control is hitting the target.
Title: Re: Gun control
Post by: Agnostic007 on March 01, 2018, 07:46:19 PM
i'm big on 2nd amendment

what's your opinion on the debate of the 2nd Amendment pertaining to the states right to maintain a well regulated militia?
Title: Re: Gun control
Post by: Agnostic007 on March 01, 2018, 08:09:03 PM
I thought his comic set had some truths to it
Title: Re: Gun control
Post by: Ropo on March 02, 2018, 01:21:40 AM
I thought his comic set had some truths to it

It is just a comedy set made by delusional moron. There is not even one fact in it let alone the truth. Just a semi good comedian trying make a living talking bullshit. "You need it for protection? Bullshit..." In fact there is statistics which estimates that just a presence of the gun stops millions of crimes to happen each year without any shots fired. If you take the gun away from that equation, what happen?
Title: Re: Gun control
Post by: SF1900 on March 02, 2018, 01:39:46 AM
lol at gebiggers melting down over a comedian.  :D :D :D
Title: Re: Gun control
Post by: be back on March 02, 2018, 01:40:58 AM
It is just a comedy set made by delusional moron. There is not even one fact in it let alone the truth. Just a semi good comedian trying make a living talking bullshit. "You need it for protection? Bullshit..." In fact there is statistics which estimates that just a presence of the gun stops millions of crimes to happen each year without any shots fired. If you take the gun away from that equation, what happen?

people wont get shot?
Title: Re: Gun control
Post by: Ropo on March 02, 2018, 01:43:16 AM
For me gun control is hitting the target.

By legislation you can only regulate gun rights of the law abiding citizens, so by your logic they are the people who you should afraid? In fact they are the people who most likely use their guns to uphold the law and protect other people. How about a playful little scenario just for you: Lets say that they ban all of the guns in the USA right now. How exactly they are going to get guns from the people who own them?  "Please? Pretty please? Pretty please with sugar on top, please give your guns (which you have paid with hard earned money) to me, please..." And if people say "no", what next? Shoot him down and take his guns? You see, here in the reality things aren't so simple as you may think ;D
Title: Re: Gun control
Post by: Ropo on March 02, 2018, 01:49:41 AM
people wont get shot?

Presence of the gun prevents millions of crimes each year without any shot fired = take a gun away from the equation = people doesn't get shot? Typical libretard logic, just childish, stupid, meaningless piece of shit and you really have to think before you could write it down? Your parents must be proud as hell   ;D
Title: Re: Gun control
Post by: Ropo on March 02, 2018, 01:58:57 AM
lol at gebiggers melting down over a comedian.  :D :D :D

Somebody has an opinion about the matter = meltdown. Do your parents beat you all the time or why are you so afraid? You give an opinion and "WHAK!", they beat you senseless? Poor child..
Title: Re: Gun control
Post by: be back on March 02, 2018, 02:22:32 AM
Presence of the gun prevents millions of crimes each year without any shot fired = take a gun away from the equation = people doesn't get shot? Typical libretard logic, just childish, stupid, meaningless piece of shit and you really have to think before you could write it down? Your parents must be proud as hell   ;D
meltdown  ;D
Title: Re: Gun control
Post by: Disgusted on March 02, 2018, 02:40:54 AM
Easiest way to kill of bunch of people is to go to a fair or some place similar and drive over as many people with your truck as you can. They ban trucks. Too many out there anyway.
Title: Re: Gun control
Post by: Disgusted on March 02, 2018, 02:46:18 AM
Banning AR-15 and raising the gun age will definitely bring an end to school shootings.
Title: Re: Gun control
Post by: be back on March 02, 2018, 02:47:13 AM
Banning AR-15 and raising the gun age will definitely bring an end to school shootings.

dont most kids who shoot up schools use their parents guns?
Title: Re: Gun control
Post by: Disgusted on March 02, 2018, 02:53:18 AM
dont most kids who shoot up schools use their parents guns?

In this case no since he was 19 so an adult. We’re you referring to anyone specific?
Title: Re: Gun control
Post by: werewolf operative on March 02, 2018, 04:21:31 AM
In this case no since he was 19 so an adult. We’re you referring to anyone specific?

Sandy hook.
Title: Re: Gun control
Post by: Pray_4_War on March 02, 2018, 04:25:50 AM
Are we going to ban all semi-automatic rifles or just the ones that look scary like the AR-15?
Title: Re: Gun control
Post by: calfzilla on March 02, 2018, 04:35:57 AM
Are we going to ban all semi-automatic rifles or just the ones that look scary like the AR-15?


Just at first chief.  ;)
Title: Re: Gun control
Post by: Pray_4_War on March 02, 2018, 04:51:57 AM
Just at first chief.  ;)

Interesting.

Define Infringe:  to encroach upon in a way that violates law or the rights of another

Define Encroach: to enter by gradual steps or by stealth into the possessions or rights of another


If I didn't know better, I'd suspect that this is exactly what the framers of the Constitution were warning about with all the "Shall not be infringed" shit.
Title: Re: Gun control
Post by: calfzilla on March 02, 2018, 04:57:11 AM
Interesting.

Define Infringe:  to encroach upon in a way that violates law or the rights of another

Define Encroach: to enter by gradual steps or by stealth into the possessions or rights of another


If I didn't know better, I'd suspect that this is exactly what the framers of the Constitution were warning about with all the "Shall not be infringed" shit.

Read further into the constitution and you will find the section on how the "shall not be infringed" includes a clause that overrides that as long as there is a bald teenage militant lesbian demanding gun control.

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Title: Re: Gun control
Post by: SuperTed on March 02, 2018, 05:06:38 AM
I thought his comic set had some truths to it

So did I. I'm not even one of those anti-gun guys and would probably own over a dozen if I lived in the US but the points he made were reasonable.
Title: Re: Gun control
Post by: Notomorrow on March 02, 2018, 06:30:45 AM
Several million ILLEGAL immigrants Many who commit violent crimes = Well their already here so lets accept it and integrate them safely into society.

300 million LEGAL guns = Accept fact and have better Safety, training and monitoring? Nope...Ban them.

Love leftist logic.
Title: Re: Gun control
Post by: Pray_4_War on March 02, 2018, 06:57:16 AM
Read further into the constitution and you will find the section on how the "shall not be infringed" includes a clause that overrides that as long as there is a bald teenage militant lesbian demanding gun control.

(https://www.trendsmap.com/ipx/https://media.promogogo.com/2018-02-22/21c081ff73d14cb3b2a6f1cadfb03de1.jpg)

Good grief, look at this fugly troll.
Title: Re: Gun control
Post by: LurkerNoMore on March 02, 2018, 07:16:45 AM
Why does gun control opponents always turn the argument into "you want to take our guns".

No one talks about coming to your home and seizing your guns.  The talks always seem to be about regulating assault rifles. 

Whiners gonna whine I suppose.
Title: Re: Gun control
Post by: klow10 on March 02, 2018, 07:44:20 AM
Why is it Americans have obsessions with guns? Serious question....Any other country (non third world) that had this many shootings would happily ban assault rifles and whatever else- gun nuts get all emotional and tell themselves guns aren’t the problem?.........Not sure if they’re delusional or just don’t want to lose their automatic guns
Title: Re: Gun control
Post by: Notomorrow on March 02, 2018, 07:54:30 AM
Why does gun control opponents always turn the argument into "you want to take our guns".

No one talks about coming to your home and seizing your guns.  The talks always seem to be about regulating assault rifles. 

Whiners gonna whine I suppose.
Because many on the left have an agenda of banning guns...It starts with one ban...victory..then moves from there..

Left does same thing with Abortion...We must allow disgusting "late term" abortions where the 7 month old  baby is kicking and screaming before being killed...

Why must we accept this barbaric practice? Because paranoid left feels if they give ANY concession on abortion, the right will see it as a victory and move from there to have all abortions banned

Typical domino effect theory on both sides....

Title: Re: Gun control
Post by: benchmstr on March 02, 2018, 08:13:00 AM
He is an autistic jackass

Bench
Title: Re: Gun control
Post by: Deadpool on March 02, 2018, 08:18:56 AM
 ::)
Title: Re: Gun control
Post by: mazrim on March 02, 2018, 08:22:17 AM
Why is it Americans have obsessions with guns? Serious question....Any other country (non third world) that had this many shootings would happily ban assault rifles and whatever else- gun nuts get all emotional and tell themselves guns aren’t the problem?.........Not sure if they’re delusional or just don’t want to lose their automatic guns
Delusional post. America is very comparable for mass shootings in comparison to European countries per capita. Not sure where we rank on acid/car attacks, though.

As soon as you use the term "assault rifle" it's a dead giveaway that you know very little about this topic. Probably got your info from CNN where their 'expert' demonstrated how to use an ar in "full semi-automatic mode".
Title: Re: Gun control
Post by: LurkerNoMore on March 02, 2018, 12:26:37 PM
Because many on the left have an agenda of banning guns...It starts with one ban...victory..then moves from there..

Left does same thing with Abortion...We must allow disgusting "late term" abortions where the 7 month old  baby is kicking and screaming before being killed...

Why must we accept this barbaric practice? Because paranoid left feels if they give ANY concession on abortion, the right will see it as a victory and move from there to have all abortions banned

Typical domino effect theory on both sides....



No.  They do  not want to ban "guns".  They want to ban specific guns that serve no civilian purpose.  Men don't hunt with an AR15 or AK47.  If they do, they are neither men nor hunters.  I've never seen deer traveling through the woods in armor personnel carriers.  You don't need a super clip to defend your home.  Hell if someone breaks in my home, I am grabbing the Mossberg first.  I'll save my FN P90 for the zombies.  The very fact these guns are considered ASSAULT rifles is an indicator of their use.

And Repubs shouldn't complain about abortion as long as they don't want to give the baby healthcare, rights, and any assistance needed to ensure a somewhat decent chance at having an upbringing that won't result in future criminals or welfare addicts.
Title: Re: Gun control
Post by: Notomorrow on March 02, 2018, 12:37:06 PM

And Repubs shouldn't complain about abortion as long as they don't want to give the baby healthcare, rights, and any assistance needed to ensure a somewhat decent chance at having an upbringing that won't result in future criminals or welfare addicts.
Republicans want to give them the right to live.

And I have the right to drive a car that can go 160 mph...But its illegal, reckless and dangerous to drive at that speed....still my right to own it..speeding kills more people than all mass shootings together..we could make cars that cant go past 65....its called personal responsibility..not government control
Title: Re: Gun control
Post by: LurkerNoMore on March 02, 2018, 01:31:21 PM
Abortion is called Personal Choice.
Title: Re: Gun control
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on March 02, 2018, 01:42:25 PM
Why does gun control opponents always turn the argument into "you want to take our guns".

No one talks about coming to your home and seizing your guns.  The talks always seem to be about regulating assault rifles. 

Whiners gonna whine I suppose.

Yeah where would anyone get that silly idea from  ::)





New York Governor Cuomo

Prior to enacting his highly controversial SAFE ACT in New York State, Cuomo suggested that certain gun control policies would be explored.

“Confiscation could be an option,” Cuomo opined.  “Mandatory sale to the state could be an option.”


Michael Bloomberg’s Organization

Poughkeepsie mayor John Tkazyik wrote an op-ed in which he claims Michael Bloomberg’s gun control organization MAIG (Mayors Against Illegal Guns) “intended to promote confiscation of guns from law-abiding citizens.”

Tkazyik left the organization, saying “I don’t believe, never have believed, and never will believe that public safety is enhanced by encroaching on our right to bear arms, and I will not be a part of any organization that does.”


New Jersey Democrats

Following a Senate Budget Committee hearing, a hot-mic caught several New Jersey state senators disparaging gun owners.

“All they want to do is have their little guns and do whatever they want with them,” one Senator said. “They don’t care about the bad guys.”

Another stated that the Senate “needed a bill that was going to confiscate, confiscate, confiscate.”


Democrat Tom Abinanti

During debate of gun control measures, Democrat Tom Abinanti of the New York State Assembly angrily explained that he was “tired of hearing about legal, lawful gun owners” and suggested that future legislation could make “none of these guns at all” legal in the future.

He added that most gun owners should be content having “one gun with one bullet.”


This is the granddaddy of them all.

During debate of New York’s Second Amendment-infringing Safe Act legislation, Assemblyman Steve McLaughlin introduced a wish list for Senate Democrats that included plans to confiscate so-called “assault weapons,” confiscate ten-round clips, and set up a database for every gun in the state.

During the debate (seen below), one Democrat requested that McLaughlin not reveal the wish list as it could “dampen the enthusiasm of compromise.”

McLaughlin replied, “It absolutely has the ability to dampen a compromise” when we’re talking “about the confiscation” of guns.


Either you're willfully ignorant or not paying attention. There is a concerted effort to disarm Americans.
Title: Re: Gun control
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on March 02, 2018, 01:44:34 PM
Why is it Americans have obsessions with rights? Serious question....Any other country (non third world) that had this many shootings would happily ban assault rifles and whatever else- gun nuts get all emotional and tell themselves guns aren’t the problem?.........Not sure if they’re delusional or just don’t want to lose their automatic guns

Fixed that for you. And why is it non-Americans have obsessions with Americans and their guns? Because American guns bailed a LOT of Europeans out of deep fucking water not to long ago , how soon we forget.
Title: Re: Gun control
Post by: Notomorrow on March 02, 2018, 01:46:00 PM
Abortion is called Personal Choice.
A 7 month kicking in the womb? Its a little human...Can't just stop that? 8 months?

Just as inflexible as the gun guys...
Title: Re: Gun control
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on March 02, 2018, 01:51:40 PM
Abortion is called Personal Choice.

Guns are like abortions , don't want one , don't get one , But fuck you to tell anyone what they can and can't do.
Title: Re: Gun control
Post by: Moontrane on March 02, 2018, 02:29:41 PM
No.  They do  not want to ban "guns".  They want to ban specific guns that serve no civilian purpose.  Men don't hunt with an AR15 or AK47.  If they do, they are neither men nor hunters.  I've never seen deer traveling through the woods in armor personnel carriers.  You don't need a super clip to defend your home.  Hell if someone breaks in my home, I am grabbing the Mossberg first.  I'll save my FN P90 for the zombies.  The very fact these guns are considered ASSAULT rifles is an indicator of their use.

And Repubs shouldn't complain about abortion as long as they don't want to give the baby healthcare, rights, and any assistance needed to ensure a somewhat decent chance at having an upbringing that won't result in future criminals or welfare addicts.

An assault rifle is a rapid fire rifle- like a machine gun.  They are used by the military, SWAT, etc.  The term assault WEAPON was coined and propagated by politicians and the media.  It's just a rifle that looks really mean (or cool, depending on your perspective).

I can't recall the last time a gunman used a fully automatic weapons for a mass shooting (on campus or otherwise), but I do recall the North Hollywood bank robbers using them in 1997.

The worst on-campus shooting was at Virginia Tech in 2007.  The shooter used handguns to slaughter 32 and shoot another 17.
Title: Re: Gun control
Post by: Fuzzy Nuts on March 02, 2018, 02:40:16 PM
Ok gun experts. Who's the manufacturer and what's the model of the AR-15 pictured above?
Title: Re: Gun control
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on March 02, 2018, 02:49:46 PM
Ok gun experts. Who's the manufacturer and what's the model of the AR-15 pictured above?

Looks like a Stag Model 8
Title: Re: Gun control
Post by: Pray_4_War on March 02, 2018, 04:53:27 PM
It amuses me when people who obviously don't know much about guns start talking about gun-related issues.

The don't know what they don't know...thus, they have no idea that they just made fools of themselves and some of us can tell they are talking out their ass.
Title: Re: Gun control
Post by: Zillotch on March 02, 2018, 05:05:15 PM
Abortion is called Personal Choice.

while all killing is a personal choice... self defense is not the same as brutally murdering a defenseless little baby

sane men on this forum..... at risk of beating a dead horse, I again offer the fact that left people are not capable of logic... they are - by their very nature – opposed to reality.

Title: Re: Gun control
Post by: Pray_4_War on March 02, 2018, 05:46:05 PM
Abortion isn't a hill I'm willing to die on but I think people have bullshitted themselves into thinking that it isn't murder because the kid isn't looking into their eyes and talking to them.  Yet.

Abortion goes like this.  A person is alive........then you do something to them.........and then they aren't alive anymore.

I guess that kid in Florida the other day was just performing some late stage abortions with an AR-15.  I suppose we should respect his personal choice and stop making a big deal out of it.
Title: Re: Gun control
Post by: Disgusted on March 02, 2018, 05:52:42 PM
Abortion isn't a hill I'm willing to die on but I think people have bullshitted themselves into thinking that it isn't murder because the kid isn't looking into their eyes and talking to them.  Yet.

Abortion goes like this.  A person is alive........then you do something to them.........and then they aren't alive anymore.

I guess that kid in Florida the other day was just performing some late stage abortions with an AR-15.  I suppose we should respect his personal choice and stop making a big deal out of it.

Hard to argue with that.

Title: Re: Gun control
Post by: calfzilla on March 02, 2018, 06:11:30 PM
Why don't we just give guns to the fetuses and let them straighten things out.  ;D
Title: Re: Gun control
Post by: chaos on March 02, 2018, 07:10:12 PM
No.  They do  not want to ban "guns".  They want to ban specific guns that serve no civilian purpose.  Men don't hunt with an AR15 or AK47.  If they do, they are neither men nor hunters.  I've never seen deer traveling through the woods in armor personnel carriers.  You don't need a super clip to defend your home.  Hell if someone breaks in my home, I am grabbing the Mossberg first.  I'll save my FN P90 for the zombies.  The very fact these guns are considered ASSAULT rifles is an indicator of their use.

And Repubs shouldn't complain about abortion as long as they don't want to give the baby healthcare, rights, and any assistance needed to ensure a somewhat decent chance at having an upbringing that won't result in future criminals or welfare addicts.
So much wrong in this post.
Title: Re: Gun control
Post by: calfzilla on March 02, 2018, 07:28:37 PM
So much wrong in this post.

I noticed that too but figured what the point of mentioning.
Title: Re: Gun control
Post by: lilhawk1 on March 02, 2018, 08:30:13 PM
I'm not quite sure where anyone said all guns were going to be taken away from anyone.  Bunch of redneck idiots need to learn how to read.  They're talking about ASSAULT WEAPONS.  Nobody said shit about abolishing the 2nd amendment. Paranoid idiots need to get over the thought of someone knocking on your door and taking away all your guns.  My God, don't take that AR-15 as its the most prized possession some people own.  Get a life.  Nobody needs a friggin assault weapon.  Only a fuckin idiot would think an AR-15 is needed for self defense, or home protection.  Try a shotgun with a short barrel. 
Title: Re: Gun control
Post by: Agnostic007 on March 02, 2018, 08:34:22 PM
Abortion isn't a hill I'm willing to die on but I think people have bullshitted themselves into thinking that it isn't murder because the kid isn't looking into their eyes and talking to them.  Yet.

Abortion goes like this.  A person is alive........then you do something to them.........and then they aren't alive anymore.

I guess that kid in Florida the other day was just performing some late stage abortions with an AR-15.  I suppose we should respect his personal choice and stop making a big deal out of it.

It is highly arguable. There is the parasite argument etc. But for me.. being a realist, and I don't harbor any ill feelings for anyone who thinks differently, if someone doesn't want their fetus to survive, I'm ok with that. Given the state of the foster system and what children of   orphanages go through, hell even what children of 3rd world countries endure, I'm not about to tell any woman they have to have that baby unless I personally am willing to take that baby on  
Title: Re: Gun control
Post by: Moontrane on March 02, 2018, 08:39:55 PM
I'm not quite sure where anyone said all guns were going to be taken away from anyone.  Bunch of redneck idiots need to learn how to read.  They're talking about ASSAULT WEAPONS.  Nobody said shit about abolishing the 2nd amendment. Paranoid idiots need to get over the thought of someone knocking on your door and taking away all your guns.  My God, don't take that AR-15 as its the most prized possession some people own.  Get a life.  Nobody needs a friggin assault weapon.  Only a fuckin idiot would think an AR-15 is needed for self defense, or home protection.  Try a shotgun with a short barrel. 

The term assault WEAPON was coined and propagated by politicians and the media.  It's just a rifle that looks really mean (or cool, depending on your perspective).  (Where have I heard this...?)

The worst on-campus shooting was at Virginia Tech in 2007.  The shooter used two handguns to slaughter 32 and shoot another 17.  His handguns functioned the same as your ASSAULT WEAPONS - semiautomatic. 

A shotgun?  One or two shots and you're unarmed.  Joe Biden likes your suggestion, though.
Title: Re: Gun control
Post by: chaos on March 02, 2018, 08:51:33 PM
I'm not quite sure where anyone said all guns were going to be taken away from anyone.  Bunch of redneck idiots need to learn how to read.  They're talking about ASSAULT WEAPONS.  Nobody said shit about abolishing the 2nd amendment. Paranoid idiots need to get over the thought of someone knocking on your door and taking away all your guns.  My God, don't take that AR-15 as its the most prized possession some people own.  Get a life.  Nobody needs a friggin assault weapon.  Only a fuckin idiot would think an AR-15 is needed for self defense, or home protection.  Try a shotgun with a short barrel. 
Another dumb post
Title: Re: Gun control
Post by: Agnostic007 on March 02, 2018, 08:54:58 PM
I'm not quite sure where anyone said all guns were going to be taken away from anyone.  Bunch of redneck idiots need to learn how to read.  They're talking about ASSAULT WEAPONS.  Nobody said shit about abolishing the 2nd amendment. Paranoid idiots need to get over the thought of someone knocking on your door and taking away all your guns.  My God, don't take that AR-15 as its the most prized possession some people own.  Get a life.  Nobody needs a friggin assault weapon.  Only a fuckin idiot would think an AR-15 is needed for self defense, or home protection.  Try a shotgun with a short barrel. 

good post
Title: Re: Gun control
Post by: SF1900 on March 02, 2018, 08:57:57 PM
I'm not quite sure where anyone said all guns were going to be taken away from anyone.  Bunch of redneck idiots need to learn how to read.  They're talking about ASSAULT WEAPONS.  Nobody said shit about abolishing the 2nd amendment. Paranoid idiots need to get over the thought of someone knocking on your door and taking away all your guns.  My God, don't take that AR-15 as its the most prized possession some people own.  Get a life.  Nobody needs a friggin assault weapon.  Only a fuckin idiot would think an AR-15 is needed for self defense, or home protection.  Try a shotgun with a short barrel. 

Solid.
Title: Re: Gun control
Post by: Agnostic007 on March 02, 2018, 09:00:54 PM
Solid.

You must be a reasonable human being
Title: Re: Gun control
Post by: Ropo on March 02, 2018, 10:37:51 PM
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Shut up nig*er.

Finally finding the facts of the matter? 1. if you take/buy/whatever eliminate guns from the good people, what "not so good" people do? 2. there is thousands of gun nuts, doomsday preppers, etc. with bunkers and armorys, little private army's, and you think they give up their weapons? Well...no. You are going towards the new civil war, this time it's armed patriots against gun shy morons. Let see how this ends... ;D
Title: Re: Gun control
Post by: IRON CROSS on March 02, 2018, 11:45:02 PM
Somebody has an opinion about the matter = meltdown. Do your parents beat you all the time or why are you so afraid? You give an opinion and "WHAK!", they beat you senseless? Poor child..

Hey Roop , why is 15% of Finland still under Russian control  ???.
Title: Re: Gun control
Post by: Pray_4_War on March 03, 2018, 01:04:51 AM
It is highly arguable. There is the parasite argument etc. But for me.. being a realist, and I don't harbor any ill feelings for anyone who thinks differently, if someone doesn't want their fetus to survive, I'm ok with that.

Anything is arguable.  Potato brained morons still argue that the world is flat.  People argue that there is no such thing as gender.

What I don't think we can ignore is the fact that these unwanted children would continue to grow, fall out of their mothers vagina and start walking and talking and doing all the stuff that all people do.

Except.....that at some point in the process, a doctor goes in with some tools and takes something that is alive, and makes it suddenly not alive.  Also known as "killing" it.

Now if we are going to play word games and say that that baby isn't really alive then we must declare that a lot of other organisms aren't alive either.  Is bacteria alive?  Are plants alive?  If they aren't living organisms, then what are they?

Title: Re: Gun control
Post by: Pray_4_War on March 03, 2018, 01:10:10 AM
I'm not about to tell any woman they have to have that baby unless I personally am willing to take that baby on

See that's the thing, women don't "have" to have babies.  They know how babies are made (fucking), yet they do it anyway.

But, since babies cramp our social lives and cost money to feed, we kill them and then rationalize it.
Title: Re: Gun control
Post by: Ropo on March 03, 2018, 03:30:18 AM
Hey Roop , why is 15% of Finland still under Russian control  ???.

Still angry because I lured you to revealing your stupidity? Why blame me, why don't you revenge it to your parents, whose fault it is?  ;D
Title: Re: Gun control
Post by: IRON CROSS on March 03, 2018, 01:13:31 PM
Still angry because I lured you to revealing your stupidity? Why blame me, why don't you revenge it to your parents, whose fault it is?  ;D

Gustaf Mannerheim , the greatest Finn of all time  ::), he screwed up  :D

Must be freezing cold in your place  :-\
Title: Re: Gun control
Post by: Pray_4_War on March 04, 2018, 12:13:29 AM
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Title: Re: Gun control
Post by: Conker on March 04, 2018, 01:45:57 AM
People don't have children in their house for most of their lives and spend most of their day away from the house.

You're missing a good troll here.  It's also true.  The problem isn't guns (as Americans love to remind you).  There are plenty of guns in other countries and these things don't happen.  The problem, therefore, is the Americans.

what country/s in the developed world has even a quarter of the number of guns per capita as the US?

Title: Re: Gun control
Post by: illuminati on March 04, 2018, 02:02:04 AM
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Shut up nig*er.

A lot of very intellectual looking individuals in that collection of pictures

Guns
Money
Jewellery
Attitude
No doubt a collection of gold teeth
Indistinguishable tattoos

The next Einstein or Stephen hawking in there somewhere.
Title: Re: Gun control
Post by: chaos on March 04, 2018, 12:46:29 PM
what country/s in the developed world has even a quarter of the number of guns per capita as the US?


What other countries keep track of their citizens purchases of guns like the US?
Title: Re: Gun control
Post by: werewolf operative on March 04, 2018, 01:56:53 PM
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Title: Re: Gun control
Post by: ratherbebig on March 04, 2018, 02:00:18 PM
another shitty thread ruined by people posting endless no of pictures and then people quoting every single picture

its like its day 1 on the internet for these people. "Look at me! i can find pictures on the internet!" "look at me i dont know how to quote without quoting pictures!"

fvck off.
Title: Re: Gun control
Post by: werewolf operative on March 04, 2018, 04:29:13 PM
another shitty thread ruined by people posting endless no of pictures and then people quoting every single picture

its like its day 1 on the internet for these people. "Look at me! i can find pictures on the internet!" "look at me i dont know how to quote without quoting pictures!"

fvck off.

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Title: Re: Gun control
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on March 04, 2018, 05:05:13 PM
another shitty thread ruined by people posting endless no of pictures and then people quoting every single picture

its like its day 1 on the internet for these people. "Look at me! i can find pictures on the internet!" "look at me i dont know how to quote without quoting pictures!"

fvck off.
Title: Re: Gun control
Post by: Parker on March 04, 2018, 05:17:09 PM

Mia Finnegan?
Title: Re: Gun control
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on March 04, 2018, 05:27:11 PM
Mia Finnegan?

Yup  ;D
Title: Re: Gun control
Post by: LurkerNoMore on March 04, 2018, 06:29:57 PM
Abortion = your body YOUR choice.

If you can't understand this, then no need to reply as your answer will be irrelevant. 
Title: Re: Gun control
Post by: LurkerNoMore on March 04, 2018, 06:34:27 PM
I'm not quite sure where anyone said all guns were going to be taken away from anyone.  Bunch of redneck idiots need to learn how to read.  They're talking about ASSAULT WEAPONS.  Nobody said shit about abolishing the 2nd amendment. Paranoid idiots need to get over the thought of someone knocking on your door and taking away all your guns.  My God, don't take that AR-15 as its the most prized possession some people own.  Get a life.  Nobody needs a friggin assault weapon.  Only a fuckin idiot would think an AR-15 is needed for self defense, or home protection.  Try a shotgun with a short barrel. 

Common sense isn't something that this board relies upon.  Which is exactly why I stated that if threatened, I was grabbing the Mossberg and not the FN p90.   I mean.... you got a threat on your hands, chances are it is in front of you with a minimum range.  Shotgun FTW.  It's not like you are going to be shooting across the street into your neighbors back yard because you feel threatened.

But let the little penis holders whine otherwise.

And realistically, you can't even hunt decently with an AR15.  So what the fuck you want with one other than you are attempting to project Sly Stallion or Arnold movies on your pathetic insecure life.
Title: Re: Gun control
Post by: GigantorX on March 04, 2018, 06:38:30 PM
"Assault Weapons"

Hahahahah, oh brother.  ::)
Title: Re: Gun control
Post by: jr on March 04, 2018, 06:46:04 PM
And full of shit: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_in_Australia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_in_Australia) No mass murders since gun ban? Really? Reality seem to have different "facts"..Let see. 79 people killed in mass murders after Port Arthur massacre. Make some comedy about that?  ;D


Out of those 79 dead only 17 dead due to firearms in 6 different events.

Out of the 17 shot dead:

2 were perpetrator suicide
1 perpetrator was shot dead by police
1 victim was accidentally shot by police
3 victim/perpetrators were criminal bikers shooting each other.

So out of 17 there were 10 innocent victims shot dead.

10 innocent people have died in 6 "mass shootings" events in Australia since 1996 gun ban. That's roughly 2 dead per incident. Not really a massacre is it?

Just 10. Spread out over 21 years.

In the US since 1996, there has been 16 shooting massacres where more that 10 people were killed PER MASSACRE (a real massacre) for a total of 338 people shot dead in these 16 shootings.

This is clearly a symptom of too easy access to guns and a sick society.
Title: Re: Gun control
Post by: LurkerNoMore on March 04, 2018, 06:54:52 PM
Don't worry though.  We are now going to arm teachers.   How many of you would like to be black teacher holding a gun when a school shooting broke out and the police stormed in? 
Title: Re: Gun control
Post by: LurkerNoMore on March 04, 2018, 06:58:48 PM
Ok... on those pics werewolf operative posted....


Picture #4 - wtf is that around his neck?  A fucking extra long travel pillow?

Picture #6 - is that dog chained to his ankle?  SMH

Picture #10 - Taping a flashlight to the barrel is really bad ass.  Not.

Picture #11 - A fucking Tec 9.  Ok, that tells me that he plans to shoot up an elevator or a broom closet.  Because otherwise, that thing has no accuracy. 

Title: Re: Gun control
Post by: Agnostic007 on March 04, 2018, 06:59:54 PM
Don't worry though.  We are now going to arm teachers.   How many of you would like to be black teacher holding a gun when a school shooting broke out and the police stormed in? 

I really think THIS is a false argument. There are many concerns with arming teachers, this probably aint one of them
Title: Re: Gun control
Post by: illuminati on March 05, 2018, 12:07:47 AM
I really think THIS is a false argument. There are many concerns with arming teachers, this probably aint one of them


Not so sure - if you’re a black teacher I’d say it’s a fair bet they are very concerned
And are right to be.
Title: Re: Gun control
Post by: SOMEPARTS on March 05, 2018, 12:18:47 AM
An assault rifle is a rapid fire rifle- like a machine gun.  They are used by the military, SWAT, etc.  The term assault WEAPON was coined and propagated by politicians and the media.  It's just a rifle that looks really mean (or cool, depending on your perspective).




This is why you own wood stock carbines....SKS, M1 Garand, Mini 14/30, Mosin, 10/22 even... I don't own a black rifle. Favorite is the SKS M that uses AK mags....errr....and drums...pretty good shot with them.
Title: Re: Gun control
Post by: Agnostic007 on March 05, 2018, 10:23:14 AM

Not so sure - if you’re a black teacher I’d say it’s a fair bet they are very concerned
And are right to be.

If you are any teacher, this should be an equal concern. Of all the mass school shootings, how many were black? So cops will already have a picture of what they expect to find in their head. It will likely be  someone who is white, wearing black or camo military garb. Someone in slacks and a tie probably not on their radar. They will likely have info teachers are armed in the school. Teachers would probably be taught at the first sign of police presence, secure the firearm. I heard some blacks on TV the other day saying black teachers were at risk. I think it's a race card argument. 
Title: Re: Gun control
Post by: BSN on March 05, 2018, 11:55:40 AM
 ;D

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Title: Re: Gun control
Post by: illuminati on March 05, 2018, 12:04:01 PM
If you are any teacher, this should be an equal concern. Of all the mass school shootings, how many were black? So cops will already have a picture of what they expect to find in their head. It will likely be  someone who is white, wearing black or camo military garb. Someone in slacks and a tie probably not on their radar. They will likely have info teachers are armed in the school. Teachers would probably be taught at the first sign of police presence, secure the firearm. I heard some blacks on TV the other day saying black teachers were at risk. I think it's a race card argument. 

You are most likely correct.
Only there are an awful lot of black men ( some are innocent shot by cops )

Even you have to admit there are a fair amount of rogue dangerous cops out there
And seeing a black man with a gun is probably enough for them to say they were in
Fear for their lives & kill him.

And you should know by now i’m No Dindu lover / apologist
But there Are some Decent Black Men out there.
Title: Re: Gun control
Post by: Agnostic007 on March 05, 2018, 03:35:19 PM
You are most likely correct.
Only there are an awful lot of black men ( some are innocent shot by cops )

Even you have to admit there are a fair amount of rogue dangerous cops out there
And seeing a black man with a gun is probably enough for them to say they were in
Fear for their lives & kill him.

And you should know by now i’m No Dindu lover / apologist
But there Are some Decent Black Men out there.


No doubt, you know that I'm not the kind to say cops don't screw up. But I am thinking that entering a place during a mass shooting, especially a school, I don't think black teachers have any more chance of getting accidentally shot than a white teacher in the same situation.    Move that scene to a dark alley in Chicago, things change.
Title: Re: Gun control
Post by: benchmstr on March 05, 2018, 11:29:40 PM
Abortion is called Personal Choice.
Who’s..because the baby who is a person, dies

Bench
Title: Re: Gun control
Post by: IRON CROSS on March 06, 2018, 12:24:52 AM
Finally finding the facts of the matter? 1. if you take/buy/whatever eliminate guns from the good people, what "not so good" people do? 2. there is thousands of gun nuts, doomsday preppers, etc. with bunkers and armorys, little private army's, and you think they give up their weapons? Well...no. You are going towards the new civil war, this time it's armed patriots against gun shy morons. Let see how this ends... ;D

Concrete jungle "wariorrs", they would not survive 1 day in the wild.
Title: Re: Gun control
Post by: Pray_4_War on March 06, 2018, 07:01:48 AM
Title: Re: Gun control
Post by: Pray_4_War on March 06, 2018, 07:32:34 AM
Abortion = your body YOUR choice.

If you can't understand this, then no need to reply as your answer will be irrelevant. 

I do not accept your false premise.  We aren't talking about women piercing their ears or getting tattoos.  A woman's body isn't the only thing involved in this.

That's a gross misrepresentation of a complex issue. 
Title: Re: Gun control
Post by: benchmstr on March 06, 2018, 07:50:29 AM
I do not accept your false premise.  We aren't talking about women piercing their ears or getting tattoos.  A woman's body isn't the only thing involved in this.

That's a gross misrepresentation of a complex issue. 

Your choice is fine..do whatever you want..but when your choices effect others? Then we have an issue...the choice of killing another human simply out of convenience is NO ONES choice! This is what liberals have a hard time understanding, they are taught to be completely self absorbed..so thinking of others is impossible

Bench
Title: Re: Gun control
Post by: Pray_4_War on March 06, 2018, 08:29:33 AM
Your choice is fine..do whatever you want..but when your choices effect others? Then we have an issue...the choice of killing another human simply out of convenience is NO ONES choice! This is what liberals have a hard time understanding, they are taught to be completely self absorbed..so thinking of others is impossible

Bench

Exactly.  I'm not going to pretend that the father and the child don't exist and have no rights.

Women don't make children by themselves nor do babies just randomly start growing inside them through no fault of their own.