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Getbig Main Boards => Politics and Political Issues Board => Topic started by: Stark on July 03, 2011, 04:10:22 AM
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Any sexy pics of Michelle Bachmann?
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Got some Palin's...
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I'd vote for her in a heartbeat. BTW, you're not even from this country.
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I'd vote for her in a heartbeat. BTW, you're not even from this country.
Nobody else will, Joe. The stuff that comes out of her mouth is pretty bad and while she's pretty nasty with rhetoric towards the president, she invites herself to the hawk's nest everytime.
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But she's not wrong. You have someone who's qualifications make Obama look like a pre-schooler. Romney will probably get it but he's not getting my vote. I'd love to see Cain win.
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But she's not wrong. You have someone who's qualifications make Obama look like a pre-schooler. Romney will probably get it but he's not getting my vote. I'd love to see Cain win.
jesus....
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She looks fukable.
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But she's not wrong. You have someone who's qualifications make Obama look like a pre-schooler. Romney will probably get it but he's not getting my vote. I'd love to see Cain win.
Cain's in self destruction mode. iowa and NH office staffers are flocking. I'm guessing he's out in 2 weeks. Cain only ran to get a national radio syndication deal anyway.
bachmann is pretty close to obama in terms of education. her legislative accomplishments are nil, like his as well. However, her "low govt spending" platform is a great one, and one that she's had for the last 15 years. She's CONSISTENT. Palin, Romney and mccain would flipflop every 2 years, depending on if RINOism or Teaparty was popular. That's BS. bachmann has some verbal gaffes, but as long as she will stop the silly spending by Obama, I'm okay with her being a dumbass at times.
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But she's not wrong. You have someone who's qualifications make Obama look like a pre-schooler. Romney will probably get it but he's not getting my vote. I'd love to see Cain win.
Beg to differ
http://www.politifact.com/personalities/michele-bachmann/
Bachmann's statements by ruling
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Republican from Minnesota
Michele Bachmann, first elected to the U.S. Congress in 2006, represents the 6th Congressional District of Minnesota. She was reelected in 2008. Previously, she served in the Minnesota State Senate. Prior to that, she spent five years as a federal tax litigation attorney. Bachmann and her husband, Marcus, who have five children and have opened their home to 23 foster children, live in Stillwater, Minn., and own a mental health care practice.
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America is seriously on a down ward spiral, china is fast becoming a much more likely superpower than america and I don't like it.
What america needs is people with a fucking brain in charge not idiots like that woman or chain who is already dead and just to lazy to fall over.
We need another JFK another young good looking vibrant and full of power kinda guy.
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America is seriously on a down ward spiral,
Word. Now they are runnin' out of money again! Debt is at the top once again ;D
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Word. Now they are runnin' out of money again! Debt is at the top once again ;D
Its not a good thing, well you can never know at least its not boring.
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I'd vote for her in a heartbeat. BTW, you're not even from this country.
You dont find her incredible stupid?she also blatantly lies quite abit. Like the cardon dioxide thing, she is just making up stuff on a whim that can be clearly verified.She also wants to remove science from the classroom, science is progress, it is what makes the world turn.
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that put her right at the top, you don't know much about politics.
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You dont find her incredible stupid?she also blatantly lies quite abit. Like the cardon dioxide thing, she is just making up stuff on a whim that can be clearly verified.She also wants to remove science from the classroom, science is progress, it is what makes the world turn.
What do you really expect? Republicans/Conservatives are against science. So are you really surprised that Coach would vote for someone who wants to take science out of the classroom? This is what happens when your religious beliefs cloud your better judgment. I mean, how can you vote for someone who is anti-science? Its bewildering; however, coache's people (republicans/conservatives) are not too bright. I am not saying Coach is dumb, maybe he is the exception, but many of his kind are :-\
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When it comes to choosing the right woman ,The Coach is always spot on.
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What do you really expect? Republicans/Conservatives are against science. So are you really surprised that Coach would vote for someone who wants to take science out of the classroom? This is what happens when your religious beliefs cloud your better judgment. I mean, how can you vote for someone who is anti-science? Its bewildering; however, coache's people (republicans/conservatives) are not too bright. I am not saying Coach is dumb, maybe he is the exception, but many of his kind are :-\
We're against science? LOL. We just don't buy into "ALGORE" science just to name one. Things like he spews has proven to be a sham and scare tactic.
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But she's not wrong. You have someone who's qualifications make Obama look like a pre-schooler. Romney will probably get it but he's not getting my vote. I'd love to see Cain win.
stick with the weightlifting.
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Why the fuck are the Republicans even trying to run against Obama? For the pure sport of it?
Anyone that doesn't think Obama will be re-elected hands down is delusional.
Black vote? CHECK
Lationo vote? CHECK
First time young idealistic liberal voters? CHECK
Billion dollar campaign? CHECK
His numbers are sort of low right now...but he's going to pull a magic rabbit out of his hat to get the economy moving a bit and call it a success. He's going to bring some troops home and say he did what he promised in his first campaign.
Mark my words
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Why the fuck are the Republicans even trying to run against Obama? For the pure sport of it?
Anyone that doesn't think Obama will be re-elected hands down is delusional.
Black vote? CHECK
Lationo vote? CHECK
First time young idealistic liberal voters? CHECK
Billion dollar campaign? CHECK
His numbers are sort of low right now...but he's going to pull a magic rabbit out of his hat to get the economy moving a bit and call it a success. He's going to bring some troops home and say he did what he promised in his first campaign.
Mark my words
You're right, there are still a lot of dumbass people out there who will vote for him again despite all of the disasters he has caused and having no regard for the laws or the Constitution. The income range for his voters are $30-50k with low education......these are the freeloaders, these are the people who have no intensive to get ahead because they feel some sense of entitlement thinking they are owed something.
My ex-wife is a perfect example, she's a sinking ship. She has BA in Human Resources but hasn't held a job any longer than 6mo's in 8 years, her life is a complete disaster, no job, no car, no license, etc. I told her to start her own business writing resumes for people, she's great at that and knows what people need to get a job (except herself). She could charge up to $250.00 per resume and knock out 2-3 per day, she makes excuses about why she CANNOT do it and they're bullshit excuses. Right now she told my son she's not looking for a job because she's about to get approved for UE. WTF?
This is just ONE example of a person with no drive to get ahead even thought she has the tools to do so. THESE are your Obama supporters!!
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you're not even from this country.
this.
why do you always post "we" shit when it comes to American politics? You get your American citizenship?
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I like her, but she seems somewhat lost.
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The income range for his voters are $30-50k with low education......these are the freeloaders, these are the people who have no intensive to get ahead because they feel some sense of entitlement thinking they are owed something.
Is this fagg0t for real ???
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Is this fagg0t for real ???
Barack Obama benefited from strong support among a number of demographic groups during his 2008 presidential campaign. In an economic sense, after two-and-a-half years of his presidency, those same groups which showed him the greatest support have suffered disproportionately more than others in the United States.
It begs the question as to whether these groups will be political lemmings for Obama both in their support of his campaign and when they pull the lever in the 2012 presidential election. If their votes are based upon how their financial lives have changed since Obama took office, then they cannot reelect Obama into the White House. In other words, logic should tell them to vote against Obama next year. Consider these groups.
African-Americans
Barack Obama captured a staggering 96% of the African-American vote in the 2008 election, an increase even above their traditional backing of the Democrats' candidate. In addition, there was a slight uptick in voter turnout for Obama, as blacks had a 2% increase in turnout versus the 2004 presidential election. It is hard to fathom that a presidential candidate could possibly garner greater support from a demographic group than did Obama from African-Americans.
However, that support at the polling place has far from translated into a better way of life for the group as a whole.
When Obama took office in January 2009, the nation's unemployment rate stood at 7.6%. For African-Americans, as a group, the unemployment rate was 12.6%.
Fast forward two-and-a-half years and, according to the latest data released for May 2011, the nation's unemployment rate is 9.1%. The present rate of unemployment rate for blacks is 16.2%. So, while the overall unemployment rate has risen by 1.5% since Obama took office, the rate of unemployment for blacks is 3.6% higher. Seen another way, the gap between the African-American unemployment rate versus that of the entire population has widened from 5.0% when Obama took office to 7.1% as of May 2011. That is a rather huge move in a relatively short period of time.
What we've seen then is that African-Americans have had their economic state of life drop at a far greater rate versus other Americans during Obama's time in the White House, despite their overwhelming support of him in the 2008 elections. The numbers show that President Barack Obama has done nothing for the economic well-being of the African-American demographic group.
For him to capture a similar level of this group's votes in 2012 would be indicative of the group simply ignoring how their financial status has declined disproportionately more than the overall population under Obama's fiscal policies.
College/Young Professionals
This group was another strong supporter of Barack Obama to become President back in 2008. His message of hope and change resonated with the college crowd and among those just starting their careers. In fact, turnout among those 18-24 years of age rose slightly to 49% in the 2008 elections versus 47% in 2004. Exit poll data from 2008 show Obama enjoyed a 66% approval rating for the 18-29 year-old demographic group.
Unfortunately for this group, economic opportunities have become more and more scarce during Obama's presidency. According to a recent report from the Economic Policy Institute, for calendar year 2010, the unemployment rate for workers 16-24 years of age averaged 18.4% verses a rate of 9.6% for the overall population.
The same report states, "...the class of 2011 will likely face the highest unemployment rate for young college graduates since the Great Recession began."
The policies of the very man this demographic group supported has caused many of them to be either underemployed or unemployed, while also now burdened with thousands and thousands of dollars in college loans, in many cases.
Low Income Families
Lower income Americans offered strong support for Barack Obama. More than 70% of voters who earned less than $15,000 per year punched their card for Obama, while those whose earnings were $15,000-$30,000 voted for Obama at a clip better than 60%. Better than 50% of those earning $30,000-$50,000 also supported Obama for the Oval Office.
Yet, these same individuals have found life under Obama to be rather difficult. When Barack Obama assumed the position of President of the United States, the average price of gasoline was $1.81/gallon. Going into the past weekend, the average price nationwide was $3.72/gallon. That's a mere 106% price increase under Obama.
Energy prices, as a proportion of income, naturally impact lower income families more than middle class or upper class families. We've also seen a substantial increase in food prices, including corn and wheat, which again impact the lower income group more than the overall population.
In fact, Federal Reserve Chairman, Ben Bernanke recently indicated that lower income Americans were being hit harder by the economy as he showed that lower income Americans continue to suffer disproportionately higher unemployment than middle and upper class Americans.
Three Groups: African-Americans, College/Young Professionals, and Low Income Families. All have seen disproportionately more economic challenges than the general population during Obama's term in office. If the economy is their top issue, then they cannot support the man who has made their lives worse since he took office.
Chad Stafko is a writer and political consultant living in the Midwest. He can be reached at stafko@msn.com.
http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/06/hows_that_hope_and_change_working_out_for_obama_supporters.html
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Barack Obama benefited from strong support among a number of demographic groups during his 2008 presidential campaign. In an economic sense, after two-and-a-half years of his presidency, those same groups which showed him the greatest support have suffered disproportionately more than others in the United States.
It begs the question as to whether these groups will be political lemmings for Obama both in their support of his campaign and when they pull the lever in the 2012 presidential election. If their votes are based upon how their financial lives have changed since Obama took office, then they cannot reelect Obama into the White House. In other words, logic should tell them to vote against Obama next year. Consider these groups.
African-Americans
Barack Obama captured a staggering 96% of the African-American vote in the 2008 election, an increase even above their traditional backing of the Democrats' candidate. In addition, there was a slight uptick in voter turnout for Obama, as blacks had a 2% increase in turnout versus the 2004 presidential election. It is hard to fathom that a presidential candidate could possibly garner greater support from a demographic group than did Obama from African-Americans.
However, that support at the polling place has far from translated into a better way of life for the group as a whole.
When Obama took office in January 2009, the nation's unemployment rate stood at 7.6%. For African-Americans, as a group, the unemployment rate was 12.6%.
Fast forward two-and-a-half years and, according to the latest data released for May 2011, the nation's unemployment rate is 9.1%. The present rate of unemployment rate for blacks is 16.2%. So, while the overall unemployment rate has risen by 1.5% since Obama took office, the rate of unemployment for blacks is 3.6% higher. Seen another way, the gap between the African-American unemployment rate versus that of the entire population has widened from 5.0% when Obama took office to 7.1% as of May 2011. That is a rather huge move in a relatively short period of time.
What we've seen then is that African-Americans have had their economic state of life drop at a far greater rate versus other Americans during Obama's time in the White House, despite their overwhelming support of him in the 2008 elections. The numbers show that President Barack Obama has done nothing for the economic well-being of the African-American demographic group.
For him to capture a similar level of this group's votes in 2012 would be indicative of the group simply ignoring how their financial status has declined disproportionately more than the overall population under Obama's fiscal policies.
College/Young Professionals
This group was another strong supporter of Barack Obama to become President back in 2008. His message of hope and change resonated with the college crowd and among those just starting their careers. In fact, turnout among those 18-24 years of age rose slightly to 49% in the 2008 elections versus 47% in 2004. Exit poll data from 2008 show Obama enjoyed a 66% approval rating for the 18-29 year-old demographic group.
Unfortunately for this group, economic opportunities have become more and more scarce during Obama's presidency. According to a recent report from the Economic Policy Institute, for calendar year 2010, the unemployment rate for workers 16-24 years of age averaged 18.4% verses a rate of 9.6% for the overall population.
The same report states, "...the class of 2011 will likely face the highest unemployment rate for young college graduates since the Great Recession began."
The policies of the very man this demographic group supported has caused many of them to be either underemployed or unemployed, while also now burdened with thousands and thousands of dollars in college loans, in many cases.
Low Income Families
Lower income Americans offered strong support for Barack Obama. More than 70% of voters who earned less than $15,000 per year punched their card for Obama, while those whose earnings were $15,000-$30,000 voted for Obama at a clip better than 60%. Better than 50% of those earning $30,000-$50,000 also supported Obama for the Oval Office.
Yet, these same individuals have found life under Obama to be rather difficult. When Barack Obama assumed the position of President of the United States, the average price of gasoline was $1.81/gallon. Going into the past weekend, the average price nationwide was $3.72/gallon. That's a mere 106% price increase under Obama.
Energy prices, as a proportion of income, naturally impact lower income families more than middle class or upper class families. We've also seen a substantial increase in food prices, including corn and wheat, which again impact the lower income group more than the overall population.
In fact, Federal Reserve Chairman, Ben Bernanke recently indicated that lower income Americans were being hit harder by the economy as he showed that lower income Americans continue to suffer disproportionately higher unemployment than middle and upper class Americans.
Three Groups: African-Americans, College/Young Professionals, and Low Income Families. All have seen disproportionately more economic challenges than the general population during Obama's term in office. If the economy is their top issue, then they cannot support the man who has made their lives worse since he took office.
Chad Stafko is a writer and political consultant living in the Midwest. He can be reached at stafko@msn.com.
http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/06/hows_that_hope_and_change_working_out_for_obama_supporters.html
Do you know that 75% of the US population earn less than 50K , you stupid c0cksucker.
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When it comes to choosing the right woman ,The Coach is always spot on.
i'll requote this for you, since i don't think too many caught it.
as for the elections, go whoever's not Obama, that guy's a smacker.
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i'll requote this for you, since i don't think too many caught it.
as for the elections, go whoever's not Obama, that guy's a smacker.
Thank you
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Do you know that 75% of the US population earn less than 50K , you stupid c0cksucker.
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Do you know that 75% of the US population earn less than 50K , you stupid c0cksucker.
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America is seriously on a down ward spiral, china is fast becoming a much more likely superpower than america and I don't like it.
What america needs is people with a fucking brain in charge not idiots like that woman or chain who is already dead and just to lazy to fall over.
We need another JFK another young good looking vibrant and full of power kinda guy.
Why don't you do something about it stud? why don't you join the ARMY ?
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Is this fagg0t for real ???
The Coach is BIG MONEY !
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You're right, there are still a lot of dumbass people out there who will vote for him again despite all of the disasters he has caused and having no regard for the laws or the Constitution. The income range for his voters are $30-50k with low education......these are the freeloaders, these are the people who have no intensive to get ahead because they feel some sense of entitlement thinking they are owed something.
This is just ONE example of a person with no drive to get ahead even thought she has the tools to do so. THESE are your Obama supporters!!
Also there are the voters who don't think "he's all that bad". These are the people who aren't into politics and don't read/watch news. I work with a bunch of people like this. These are the same people who always have the rebuttal of "well Bush did this...bush did that." when you bring up why obama sucks. Despite the fact that he hasn't been in office in almost 4 years.
Fact is, it's seriously almost pointless for the republicans to do anything. It's like going up against Goliath.
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Do you know that 75% of the US population earn less than 50K , you stupid c0cksucker.
Check your facts and post them union boy. Even thats true, it's the lazy majority of those people who would rather tax the wealthy more (even though they pay the most) to get what they think they deserve because ....again, they don't have the incentive to do more. A lot of these are the same people who can go out by 5000.00 rims and tires on a Mercedes but complain they can't afford health insurance.
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he got fired because no one was watching him....right? Hahahahahahaa!
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Stupid Republicans on Obama
I know it's from 2 years ago, but it may be even more valid today as it was then, some things never change for some people.
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We're against science? LOL. We just don't buy into "ALGORE" science just to name one. Things like he spews has proven to be a sham and scare tactic.
yes, against science. Many conservatives/republicans are against stem cell research because it goes against their beliefs. Halting science to appease your own beliefs. Oh brotha. how stupid.
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Check your facts and post them union boy. Even thats true, it's the lazy majority of those people who would rather tax the wealthy more (even though they pay the most) to get what they think they deserve because ....again, they don't have the incentive to do more. A lot of these are the same people who can go out by 5000.00 rims and tires on a Mercedes but complain they can't afford health insurance.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_income_in_the_United_States
Do you know that most of people that earn 50k work harder than you do and are more educated than you are you stupid m0therfucking midget .
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HERE'S YOUR TYPICAL REPUBLICAN VOTER
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why is it bad to be racist. blacks dont work most on welfare they dont invent shit they dont do science
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obama is the same ol jackass bush was
the tax rate should be a flat tax and cut the middle class tax and rich naturally more jobs will come to surface
less welfare falcon freebees
the jobs thing is most important. the upper middle class and middle class are holding onto there money but if they got a tax break they would surface jobs
bring back segregated schooling for superior black youth
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Michelle Bachman wouldn't be the first female potUS, Jimmy Carter and Barack Obama both beat her to it.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_income_in_the_United_States
Do you know that most of people that earn 50k work harder than you do and are more educated than you are you stupid m0therfucking midget .
coach seems to think that because he can run a business, anyone can...
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the inheritance tax sucks , you lose 50% of whatever you may inherit to the government
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But she's not wrong. You have someone who's qualifications make Obama look like a pre-schooler. Romney will probably get it but he's not getting my vote. I'd love to see Cain win.
WTF
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the coach got his money/inheritance BEFORE the inheritance tax kicked in folks
sorry your kids wont get shit nor will any of us when our parents diet the gov. gets half
you cant get rich unless you spend your life in education and slowly climb out of debt from loans and land a good job
theres no carry over wealth into the next generation anymore
inheritance tax=socialism
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the inheritance tax sucks , you lose 50% of whatever you may inherit to the government
Trust funds
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1. I didn't inherit shit, I started with NOTHING. It was myself and my son when I went into my business full time. I received no loans from anyone, not an SBA and nothing from family.
2. Yes, cephissis (sp) anyone can run a business IF THEY WANT TOO!
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Check your facts and post them union boy. Even thats true, it's the lazy majority of those people who would rather tax the wealthy more (even though they pay the most) to get what they think they deserve because ....again, they don't have the incentive to do more. A lot of these are the same people who can go out by 5000.00 rims and tires on a Mercedes but complain they can't afford health insurance.
The people that buy rims and mercedes are not contributing by voting, nor taxes. You are a jerk off of epic proportions. Do you realize there are a plethora of white hillbillies milking the system also? I'm white and part of my family migrated to Ohio from West Virginia. You are so misguided. Hey, you run a personal training business, right? Or is it to launder funds from anabolics? No matter to me, and I'm just kidding about that. You're not that rich, please stop trying to act like it by blindly siding with the cocksuckers.
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1. I didn't inherit shit, I started with NOTHING. It was myself and my son when I went into my business full time. I received no loans from anyone, not an SBA and nothing from family.
2. Yes, cephissis (sp) anyone can run a business IF THEY WANT TOO!
So if everyone wanted to run a business, everyone could?
Think about it... a business requires employees, people on the bottom. Any "getting ahead" in this life, "climbing up the social ladder," or ascending the hierarchy requires you to pass people by, to leave them in the dust.
If the top 2% are business owners, they will not allow the remaining 98%, who somehow just woke up today and thought "gee i'm going to be the boss and create commodities and take the profits" to realize their dreams. They are going to do everything in their power to keep them down in the dirt, so that they can continue leading comfortable, wealthy lives.
It's not just a matter of willpower (which, like you said, could even be lacking), it's simply not possible for everyone to work their way up in the world. Life is a power struggle, and whether you notice it or not, others want you to fail so that they can succeed. Everyone can't be a successful business owner.
And besides, the "everybody wins" delusion belongs to the socialists! :D
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So if everyone wanted to run a business, everyone could?
Think about it... a business requires employees, people on the bottom. Any "getting ahead" in this life, "climbing up the social ladder," or ascending the hierarchy requires you to pass people by, to leave them in the dust.
If the top 2% are business owners, they will not allow the remaining 98%, who somehow just woke up today and thought "gee i'm going to be the boss and create commodities and take the profits" to realize their dreams. They are going to do everything in their power to keep them down in the dirt, so that they can continue leading comfortable, wealthy lives.
It's not just a matter of willpower (which, like you said, could even be lacking), it's simply not possible for everyone to work their way up in the world. Life is a power struggle, and whether you notice it or not, others want you to fail so that they can succeed. Everyone can't be a successful business owner.
Listen, It's not that hard, with very little start up cash, you can open a business. I opened a car dealer when I was 21. I started with 15K, and 5 cars. It grew very fast. In one year I had over 100K in inventory.
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No rocco I'm not rich, my business does well but "rich" needs to be defined. According to want Obama and his administration wants to do, I guess I'm considered "rich" or at least my business is. And you hit right on the head, those are the people who do not contribute but buy expensive cars, jewlery and needless crap like that instead of taking care of their own.
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Listen, It's not that hard, with very little start up cash, you can open a business. I opened a car dealer when I was 21. I started with 15K, and 5 cars. It grew very fast. In one year I had over 100K in inventory.
Congrats bud. Did you ever think of the necessary personal qualities, education, and market conditions which contributed to your miraculous success? What's "not that hard" is to understand that these conditions aren't universal, nor can they be.
Also, LOL @ "very little start up cash" and "I started with 15k, and 5 cars" in the same post. ::)
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There hundreds of thousands of people who start with nothing and become something or at least provide a comfortable living for themselves and family. There is all kinds of guidence out about business for people to access IF THEY WANT TOO.
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There hundreds of thousands of people who start with nothing and become something or at least provide a comfortable living for themselves and family. There is all kinds of guidence out about business for people to access IF THEY WANT TOO.
And? Plenty will try, and plenty will fail. Some will not even bother, but would likely fail anyway. Some will not bother who would likely succeed. In the end, you can't look at people who fail and say it is because they simply "don't want to work hard." You're just adding insult to injury. You injured them by beating them in the market, and now you're pissing on them because the government wants to take some of your money to ensure they don't starve. Jeez, talk about ruthless!
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Congrats bud. Did you ever think of the necessary personal qualities, education, and market conditions which contributed to your miraculous success? What's "not that hard" is to understand that these conditions aren't universal, nor can they be.
Also, LOL @ "very little start up cash" and "I started with 15k, and 5 cars" in the same post. ::)
Well, look at Coach, how much did he need to start? Honestly, I started with one car in college, sold it and bought two, sold them and bought four. I had an in to the car business though. I paid a guy whom was willing to help me, and let me buy cars through his license for a hundred dollars a car. There are always creative ways to do things, just think outside the box. Never let racism, pessimism, or other things to cloud your judgement. There are good and bad in all types you would be surprised who will be willing to help you.
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Busness is a risk and it has to be a risk you're willing to take. Most successful people fail over and over again before they get it right. But if you research, put a plan together and stick to it you greatly reduce that risk. I love what I do and know how to succeed in it.
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And? Plenty will try, and plenty will fail. Some will not even bother, but would likely fail anyway. Some will not bother who would likely succeed. In the end, you can't look at people who fail and say it is because they simply "don't want to work hard." You're just adding insult to injury. You injured them by beating them in the market, and now you're pissing on them because the government wants to take some of your money to ensure they don't starve. Jeez, talk about ruthless!
I've always said, there is no such thing as failure, you just haven't succeeded yet. You need to learn from pryor mistakes though. Also, no one will run your business like you, trust no one. All the payroll taxes, and what not, are easy to learn. Payroll taxes will kill you sometimes, especially if you have salesman making 50K per year or more.
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Busness is a risk and it has to be a risk you're willing to take. Most successful people fail over and over again before they get it right. But if you research, put a plan together and stick to it you greatly reduce that risk. I love what I do and know how to succeed in it.
Cool, me too, I just like putting a positive vibe out there. I'm always willing to help someone, advice, connections, etc., there's enough money out there for everyone.
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Well, look at Coach, how much did he need to start? Honestly, I started with one car in college, sold it and bought two, sold them and bought four. I had an in to the car business though. I paid a guy whom was willing to help me, and let me buy cars through his license for a hundred dollars a car. There are always creative ways to do things, just think outside the box. Never let racism, pessimism, or other things to cloud your judgement. There are good and bad in all types you would be surprised who will be willing to help you.
As I said before, good for you! Seriously! But let's look at your post.
You state you "had an in to the car business," and had the impulse to "pay a guy who was willing to help" you get good capital for cheap. You state you need to be a creative thinker ("there are always creative ways to do things") and have good judgment ("never let racism .. cloud your judgment).
What would you have done without your "in"? Okay, so maybe that door is closed but with your creativity I'm sure there are plenty of others... but what if you aren't particularly creative, or have poor judgment and take a bad risk and lose everything? What bothers me about this discussion is that people always use their own success as an example of hard work and motivation conquering all, yet are perfectly happy to discount the many personal aptitudes and favorable circumstances that also contribute to their success.
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One of my sayings used to be, "There's so many idiots, it makes it easier for the rest of us.". I've since changed, estrogen levels are up. haha.
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One of my sayings used to be, "There's so many idiots, it makes it easier for the rest of us.". I've since changed, estrogen levels are up. haha.
That's the truth though!
And yet once coach takes advantage of these people's laziness and stupidity (which allow him to have a thriving business) he turns around and insults them, imploring they make something of their lives.
If it were me, I would be thankful they aren't making their own businesses and putting me out of a job, ie taking all of my money instead of just my share of their unemployment checks.
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That's the truth though!
And yet once coach takes advantage of these people's laziness and stupidity (which allow him to have a thriving business) he turns around and insults them, imploring they make something of their lives.
If it were me, I would be thankful they aren't making their own businesses and putting me out of a job, ie taking all of my money instead of just my share of their unemployment checks.
What?? How do I do that??
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Her name is Michele Bachmann. If she misspelled Obama's name you would brand her a moron. She must be a real threat for all the liberals to brand her stupid. The media doesn't care if Obama says one of his many stupid things like 57 states, corpse man, and "On Memorial day we honor our fallen heros; many of them I see here today." They don't care about all the stupid stuff coming out of Biden's mouth. They don't care when Hillary Clinton claims she was ducking gun fire at an airport when the found video shows a little girl in her Sunday best greeting her.
The left is resorting to their usual method of using any and all media to brand a threat as stupid.
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Check your facts and post them union boy. Even thats true, it's the lazy majority of those people who would rather tax the wealthy more (even though they pay the most) to get what they think they deserve because ....again, they don't have the incentive to do more. A lot of these are the same people who can go out by 5000.00 rims and tires on a Mercedes but complain they can't afford health insurance.
Any way you cut this statement, you are calling the majority (or at least a very large portion) of Americans lazy freeloaders who would "rather tax the wealthy more" because they "think they deserve [this money]" instead of (you imply) going out and working hard, starting their own businesses, etc.
In reality it is these people's subpar performance in the marketplace which leaves room for those (such as yourself) who excel -- or your excellent performance which leaves no room for them, whichever way you want to look at it. If there was even enough room in this world for them to all have good jobs... well, that would be called "socialism"...
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I'm not sure if I want to reread this entire thread
Is Coach losing? If he is, then I'll let it go :D
Stick with the weightlifting coach
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No rocco I'm not rich, my business does well but "rich" needs to be defined. According to want Obama and his administration wants to do, I guess I'm considered "rich" or at least my business is. And you hit right on the head, those are the people who do not contribute but buy expensive cars, jewlery and needless crap like that instead of taking care of their own.
There are no possessions that truly belong to you. Your kids really aren't yours. You're obligated to take care of them for a certain period of time but they belong to the "system". The "Hierarchy" controls everything. Including everyone's marriage. Step out of the "imaginary" line and see how fast they swoop in and take control.
The guys who last in this business are the guys who fly straight "Low Key", real quiet...The guys who want it all, the chicks, the champagne and the flash, well they don't last Tony.
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Trust funds
what about?
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As I said before, good for you! Seriously! But let's look at your post.
You state you "had an in to the car business," and had the impulse to "pay a guy who was willing to help" you get good capital for cheap. You state you need to be a creative thinker ("there are always creative ways to do things") and have good judgment ("never let racism .. cloud your judgment).
What would you have done without your "in"? Okay, so maybe that door is closed but with your creativity I'm sure there are plenty of others... but what if you aren't particularly creative, or have poor judgment and take a bad risk and lose everything? What bothers me about this discussion is that people always use their own success as an example of hard work and motivation conquering all, yet are perfectly happy to discount the many personal aptitudes and favorable circumstances that also contribute to their success.
I went out for days on end talking to other owners of car dealers. I found an American/Irishman who took a liking to me. I'm Irish also. He was fine with helping me. He's was on the verge of retiring. When I opened my own place he sold me his key machine, and other things to help.
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Long story short, my economics professor said in a lecture that none of us would ever make over 100K per year unless we were used car dealers. I was already one. I had a good run for a couple years, so/so, now retired in the sun. I still work occasionally, sometimes my electric bill is 1,000 dollars.
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Anyways the point of all this is, fuck the stupid republicans. I'm neither D, or R, I think they are all fucked. The D seems to be the lesser of the two evils right now. Who wants a candidate(puke) that would like a theocracy? I'll go live with the taliban then.
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I'm out bitches.
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This c u n t will never be president...Barrack Husein Obama will retain the presidency. I would like Ron Paul but we all know that aint happening.
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This c u n t will never be president...Barrack Husein Obama will retain the presidency. I would like Ron Paul but we all know that aint happening.
Because he's doing such a great fucking job right?
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America is seriously on a down ward spiral, china is fast becoming a much more likely superpower than america and I don't like it.
What america needs is people with a fucking brain in charge not idiots like that woman or chain who is already dead and just to lazy to fall over.
We need another JFK another young good looking vibrant and full of power kinda guy.
haha, JFK was a nothing president.....complete cult of personality.....just like our current president. Both parties suck anus and it isn't getting any better soon. Sorry...
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Because he's doing such a great fucking job right?
No doubt the Obama experiment is over for he is a mess. But lets not fill his shoes with more shit. Lets force "them" to give as an able candidate.
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Because he's doing such a great fucking job right?
NOpe. But it still doesn't matter. You know he's going to be president and no fucking republican has a chance to beat him. NOBODY!
When you have a billion dollars to spend ....you can make people believe a lot of shit through spinning the facts, media, and internet.
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NOpe. But it still doesn't matter. You know he's going to be president and no fucking republican has a chance to beat him. NOBODY!
When you have a billion dollars to spend ....you can make people believe a lot of shit through spinning the facts, media, and internet.
Yep...true.
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And? Plenty will try, and plenty will fail. Some will not even bother, but would likely fail anyway. Some will not bother who would likely succeed. In the end, you can't look at people who fail and say it is because they simply "don't want to work hard." You're just adding insult to injury.
WTF you talking about? You sound like a fucking bitter loser.
A business can be anything from washing windows, mowing lawns, owning a bank, selling oil...etc.
It's a fact that 90% of business fail. Why? Well, there are a lot of reasons. But a lot of people assume that they have a magic forumula to make a lot of money...and then they get a reality check.
I think it was Kiyosaki that said it takes about 5 to 6 of your own business fail before you start the 7th one and then you finally have learned from your mistakes to make whatever you're doing to be a true success.
My pops started a construction business with a $500 Ford Econoline van with 200,000 miles on it, used tools and equipment he bought and acquired over time. No office, no employees for the first few years until he could afford to hire somebody. He came over to this country with literally a fucking suitcase (as have countless others) and succeeded because of work ethic and determination.
You need more than hard work to succeed at business. If only hard work was required then all fucking mexicans who work 18 hour days would be millionaires. It takes hard work, determinatin, smarts, right network of people, ...etc.
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I'd vote for her in a heartbeat. BTW, you're not even from this country.
I'll vote for her, what the hell... Obama sure hasn't shown me why I should vote for him again.
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WTF you talking about? You sound like a fucking bitter loser.
A business can be anything from washing windows, mowing lawns, owning a bank, selling oil...etc.
It's a fact that 90% of business fail. Why? Well, there are a lot of reasons. But a lot of people assume that they have a magic forumula to make a lot of money...and then they get a reality check.
I think it was Kiyosaki that said it takes about 5 to 6 of your own business fail before you start the 7th one and then you finally have learned from your mistakes to make whatever you're doing to be a true success.
My pops started a construction business with a $500 Ford Econoline van with 200,000 miles on it, used tools and equipment he bought and acquired over time. No office, no employees for the first few years until he could afford to hire somebody. He came over to this country with literally a fucking suitcase (as have countless others) and succeeded because of work ethic and determination.
You need more than hard work to succeed at business. If only hard work was required then all fucking mexicans who work 18 hour days would be millionaires. It takes hard work, determinatin, smarts, right network of people, ...etc.
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Basically you agree with everything I said in this thread...
To summarize my point: if there are winners, there are necessarily losers.
When a "winner" (like Coach in this thread) comes in and complains about all the losers and what a waste of space they are, I think it's absurd. Without the losers, there would be no possibility for Coach to exist as he does (or any other successful person).
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I'll vote for her, what the hell... Obama sure hasn't shown me why I should vote for him again.
Its sad that this is your option though. She is not the brightest and is a denier of science,SCIENCE. science is reality, its education.
this woman has blatantly lied about numerous things to serve her purpose. Not goals or promises, facts.
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You dont find her incredible stupid?she also blatantly lies quite abit. Like the cardon dioxide thing, she is just making up stuff on a whim that can be clearly verified.She also wants to remove science from the classroom, science is progress, it is what makes the world turn.
Where did she say this?
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Its sad that this is your option though. She is not the brightest and is a denier of science,SCIENCE. science is reality, its education.
this woman has blatantly lied about numerous things to serve her purpose. Not goals or promises, facts.
well at least you know what you're getting with her. Others will vote for a pack of lies and be disapointed. Might as well vote for the lie to start with. If you don't want that and I don't, vote for Ron Paul in the primary, as I will.
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Reason we don't have a female potus by now is because the msm covered up for obamas lies, communism, drug abuse, lies, freak show agenda during the 2008 primary.
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Where did she say this?
One issue is this
"Bachmann has charged that global warming is a hoax[60] and has been a vocal skeptic of global warming.[61] She has asserted that since carbon dioxide is "a natural byproduct of nature", it is a beneficial gas required by plant life. She stated that because life requires carbon dioxide and it is part of the planet's life cycle, it cannot be harmful. In a statement she made on the House floor on Earth Day, April 22, 2009, Bachmann stated she was against the cap and trade climate legislation, stating: "Carbon dioxide is not a harmful gas, it is a harmless gas. Carbon dioxide is natural; it is not harmful.... We're being told we have to reduce this natural substance to create an arbitrary reduction in something that is naturally occurring in the earth."[62]"
Another is this, she wants to not teach evolution in favor of creationism, she also is caught lying about evolution here.
"Rep. Michele Bachmann is the latest to get pulled to the side of the road, lights flashing in her rear-view mirror. Talking with reporters in New Orleans following last week’s Republican Leadership Conference, she said “I support intelligent design,” referring to the theory that nature gives scientific evidence of purpose and design.
She continued: “What I support is putting all science on the table and then letting students decide. I don’t think it’s a good idea for government to come down on one side of a scientific issue or another, when there is reasonable doubt on both sides.”
this is anti-science, there is no controversy and by definition intelligent design is not science. Asking for it to be taught will slow americas progress and ensure failure.
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Global warming is a load of bullshit.
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Global warming is a load of bullshit.
what part? the fact that global warming is occuring, or what the cause of it is.
The vast majority of scientist have agreed that global warming is occuring, there is no debate wrt that. However, the cause for the climate change still has alot of data to be uncovered.
Or are you just denying global warming is occuring.
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what part? the fact that global warming is occuring, or what the cause of it is.
The vast majority of scientist have agreed that global warming is occuring, there is no debate wrt that. However, the cause for the climate change still has alot of data to be uncovered.
Or are you just denying global warming is occuring.
The climate changes, don't need a scientist to tell me that. The man made part, now that is scam, just look at the line up ass clowns pushing this. It is nothing more than a money making scheme by the already rich. The saddest part is the pure hypocrisy of them, do as I say not as I do mentality of the so called elite.
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Its sad that this is your option though. She is not the brightest and is a denier of science,SCIENCE. science is reality, its education.
this woman has blatantly lied about numerous things to serve her purpose. Not goals or promises, facts.
And Obama denies basic economics every day with his insane policies. So what's your point?
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And Obama denies basic economics every day with his insane policies. So what's your point?
answer my question, what part of global warming do you deny?
non-sequitor, what basic economics does he ignore.What theory of economics is he violating?
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answer my question, what part of global warming do you deny?
non-sequitor, what basic economics does he ignore.What theory of economics is he violating?
Global warming is a load of shit - the climate has changed fromthe day theearth was formed and is always in a state of change.
As for economics - dear God - are you serious?
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Global warming is a load of shit - the climate has changed fromthe day theearth was formed and is always in a state of change.
As for economics - dear God - are you serious?
so the globe isnt warming up?
of course the earth goes through periods of climate change, the problem is its accelerating and poses a threat to our existence and that of many species. So you are against the majority of climitologists then?
you deny the science that has been produced. Fine. You are just another crazy reality denier.
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isnt it sad that the majority of educated people, specifically those with doctorates along with those in college tend to side with liberalism. The republican party is becoming more stupid. The latest trend is denying evolution (a fucking fact) and other scientific endevors in favor of adam and eve.
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so the globe isnt warming up?
of course the earth goes through periods of climate change, the problem is its accelerating and poses a threat to our existence and that of many species. So you are against the majority of climitologists then?
you deny the science that has been produced. Fine. You are just another crazy reality denier.
Yes. I deny that we are in a state of peril unless we all send all our money to wall street to trade carbon credits and bogus nonsense like that.
And yes, the science is not settled. 30,000 scientists dispute the al gore memo that we are in imminient danger of Day after tommorow.
Funny too - if the "science" was so settled, why the need to lie, cover up, distort, and hide data like all these esteemed scientists did?
www.climatedepot.com
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isnt it sad that the majority of educated people, specifically those with doctorates along with those in college tend to side with liberalism. The republican party is becoming more stupid. The latest trend is denying evolution (a fucking fact) and other scientific endevors in favor of adam and eve.
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Its a fact
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Its a fact
Yawn.
www.climatedepot.com
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Yes. I deny that we are in a state of peril unless we all send all our money to wall street to trade carbon credits and bogus nonsense like that.
And yes, the science is not settled. 30,000 scientists dispute the al gore memo that we are in imminient danger of Day after tommorow.
Funny too - if the "science" was so settled, why the need to lie, cover up, distort, and hide data like all these esteemed scientists did?
www.climatedepot.com
did you just link me to a republican website with propaganda? im not sure if you know who i am but i dont listen to biased sources and bullshit. Post the science for all to see its all published. Want some?
have you read the IPCC report on climate change, i have. Heres a nice little summary i found to make it nice and fast
Among the findings were:
* Eleven of the last twelve years (1995-2006) rank among the 12 warmest years in the instrumental record of global surface temperature (since 1850).
* Most of the observed increase in globally averaged temperatures since the mid-20th century is very likely (90%+ probability) due to the observed increase in anthropogenic greenhouse gas concentrations.
* The average temperature of the global ocean has increased to depths of at least 3000 m and that the ocean has been absorbing more than 80% of the heat added to the climate system. Such warming causes seawater to expand, contributing to sea level rise.
* Mountain glaciers and snow cover have declined on average in both hemispheres. Widespread decreases in glaciers and ice caps have contributed to sea level rise
* Global average sea level rose at an average rate of 1.8 mm per year over 1961 to 2003. The rate was faster over 1993 to 2003, about 3.1 mm per year.
* Average Arctic temperatures increased at almost twice the global average rate in the past 100 years.
* More intense and longer droughts have been observed over wider areas since the 1970s, particularly in the tropics and subtropics.
* Widespread changes in extreme temperatures have been observed over the last 50 years. Cold days, cold nights and frost have become less frequent, while hot days, hot nights, and heat waves have become more frequent
* The global atmospheric concentration of carbon dioxide has increased from a pre-industrial value of about 280 ppm to 379 ppm in 2005. The atmospheric concentration of carbon dioxide in 2005 exceeds by far the natural range over the last 650,000 years (180 to 300 ppm) as determined from ice cores.
* The primary source of the increased atmospheric concentration of carbon dioxide since the pre-industrial period results from fossil fuel use, with land use change providing another significant but smaller contribution. Annual fossil carbon dioxide emissions increased from an average of 23.5 Gt CO2 per year in the 1990s, to 26.4 Gt CO2 per year in 2000-2005.
* The global atmospheric concentration of methane has increased from a pre-industrial value of about 715 ppb to 1732 ppb in the early 1990s, and is 1774 ppb in 2005.
* The combined radiative forcing due to increases in carbon dioxide, methane, and nitrous oxide is +2.30 W/m2, and its rate of increase during the industrial era is very likely to have been unprecedented in more than 10,000 years.
The IPCC predicts that, based on a range of scenarios, by the end of the 21st century climate change will result in :
* A probable temperature rise between 1.8°C and 4°C, with a possible temperature rise between 1.1°C and 6.4°C.
* A sea level rise most likely to be 28-43cm
* Arctic summer sea ice disappearing in second half of century
* An increase in heatwaves being very likely
* A likely increase in tropical storm intensity.
This is based on all available science.
MOAR:
http://americasclimatechoices.org/climate_change_2008_final.pdf
the national academy of sciences presented this document and this conclusion. Read the document however.
"Most scientists agree that the warming in recent decades has been caused primarily by human activities that have increased the amount of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere."
MAOR
http://www.nap.edu/catalog.php?record_id=12782
"there is a strong, credible body of evidence, based on multiple lines of research, documenting that climate is changing and that these changes are in large part caused by human activities. While much remains to be learned, the core phenomenon, scientific questions, and hypotheses have been examined thoroughly and have stood firm in the face of serious scientific debate and careful evaluation of alternative explanations"
IT is only in america there is debate, guess whos leading the charge? republicans LMAO. GLobal warming is a fucking fact, the cause is still debatable.
http://dels.nas.edu/basc
the american board on atomospheric sciences.
You can be skeptical but saying is a sham is stupid and wrong, you are denying reality probably because it's the right thing for republicans to do. Science doesnt give a fuck about parties and any intelligent person can observe the data and come to the conclusion that something is wrong with the current climate change.
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Post science you fucktard not biased opinions and dissenters anecdotes. If it was truly a lie the science would be there, should be easy i wait for you to fool the world.
here
jimmy nelson, scientist
: "i once believed in global warming, but not anymore, it aint true"
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Oh there is really an unbiased bunch. ::)
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Post science you fucktard not biased opinions and dissenters anecdotes. If it was truly a lie the science would be there, should be easy i wait for you to fool the world.
here
jimmy nelson, scientist
: "i once believed in global warming, but not anymore, it aint true"
Cry me a river. Your entire bogus movement was discredited by its own science hidingdata, manipulating findings to get the result they want, fudging results, etc etc.
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This is the sad
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=why-are-americans-so-ill
"Near the forum’s conclusion, Massachusetts Institute of Technology climate scientist Kerry Emanuel asked a panel of journalists why the media continues to cover anthropogenic climate change as a controversy or debate, when in fact it is a consensus among such organizations as the American Geophysical Union, American Institute of Physics, American Chemical Society, American Meteorological Association and the National Research Council, along with the national academies of more than two dozen countries."
Checkmate, every scientific org that studies this stuff all agree. You guys have vested interest and will possibly be the death of us. Open your eyes, you are as bad as 9/11 truthers
MAOR
http://royalsociety.org/uploadedFiles/Royal_Society_Content/News_and_Issues/Science_Issues/Climate_change/climate_facts_and_fictions.pdf
not one person objected to the reasons cited for global warming. Checkmate stupid, why dont you go make up some more shit. Notice how i havent said anything about fucking hybrid cars etc.. you assume me a liberal, im not, you put politics ahead of science and thats why the US will falter
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Cry me a river. Your entire bogus movement was discredited by its own science hidingdata, manipulating findings to get the result they want, fudging results, etc etc.
you lose, post the manipulation, its clear you dont understand what the manipulations were. I assume you are talking about the leaked emails. Too bad you have no idea what they were talking about.
post the emails so i can tear them apart and school you.
"Oh my god one person lied, the whole thing is a lie, all of it." clown.
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Oh there is really an unbiased bunch. ::)
i have posted numerous scientific groups, all who agree with me. Not one serious group around the world agrees with you. Not a one.
you're losing, pick it up.
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Politics come in to it in how the purveyors of this nonsense plan on so called "combating it."
So far, all I have seen if crazy carbon trading schemes, carbon taxes, nanny state bullshit, job killing agendas, all of which won't do a damn thing even by the standard that these people claim.
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New Study Blames 10-year Lull In Global Warming On China Coal Use, Air Pollution
Washington Post blogs ^ | July 5, 2011 | Andrew Freedman
Posted on Tuesday, July 05, 2011 2:25:26 PM by kiryandil
A new study published this week offering a fresh take on what may have driven a temporary, 10-year slowdown in global warming reinforces the scientific hypothesis that human activities are contributing to long-term global warming... **snip**
...But the new study, by American and Finnish researchers, says the answer lies mainly in the quickening pace of coal consumption in Asia, particularly in China, and the air pollution that is causing... **snip**
read more at http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/capital-weather-gang/post/new-study-blames-10-year-lull-in-global-warming-on-china-coal-use-air-pollution/2011/07/05/gHQAwjV8yH_blog.html
(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonpost.com ...
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Another excuse by the global warming cult.
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Politics come in to it in how the purveyors of this nonsense plan on so called "combating it."
So far, all I have seen if crazy carbon trading schemes, carbon taxes, nanny state bullshit, job killing agendas, all of which won't do a damn thing even by the standard that these people claim.
so you admit that human contributions are fact and that the climate is shifting towards global warmth, thanks i win.
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so you admit that human contributions are fact and that the climate is shifting towards global warmth, thanks i win.
Not at all. Read my last post. What is it?
Now the memo is that burning coal causes cooling not warming?
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One issue is this
"Bachmann has charged that global warming is a hoax[60] and has been a vocal skeptic of global warming.[61] She has asserted that since carbon dioxide is "a natural byproduct of nature", it is a beneficial gas required by plant life. She stated that because life requires carbon dioxide and it is part of the planet's life cycle, it cannot be harmful. In a statement she made on the House floor on Earth Day, April 22, 2009, Bachmann stated she was against the cap and trade climate legislation, stating: "Carbon dioxide is not a harmful gas, it is a harmless gas. Carbon dioxide is natural; it is not harmful.... We're being told we have to reduce this natural substance to create an arbitrary reduction in something that is naturally occurring in the earth."[62]"
Another is this, she wants to not teach evolution in favor of creationism, she also is caught lying about evolution here.
"Rep. Michele Bachmann is the latest to get pulled to the side of the road, lights flashing in her rear-view mirror. Talking with reporters in New Orleans following last week’s Republican Leadership Conference, she said “I support intelligent design,” referring to the theory that nature gives scientific evidence of purpose and design.
She continued: “What I support is putting all science on the table and then letting students decide. I don’t think it’s a good idea for government to come down on one side of a scientific issue or another, when there is reasonable doubt on both sides.”
this is anti-science, there is no controversy and by definition intelligent design is not science. Asking for it to be taught will slow americas progress and ensure failure.
This doesn't support your statement: "She also wants to remove science from the classroom." She actually says the exact opposite: “What I support is putting all science on the table and then letting students decide. I don’t think it’s a good idea for government to come down on one side of a scientific issue or another, when there is reasonable doubt on both sides.”
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This doesn't support your statement: "She also wants to remove science from the classroom." She actually says the exact opposite: “What I support is putting all science on the table and then letting students decide. I don’t think it’s a good idea for government to come down on one side of a scientific issue or another, when there is reasonable doubt on both sides.”
no she has no idea what science is, she is against evolution and for intelligent design. There is no science to put on the table for creationism and if she has her way every origin myth would be presented to kids. Its insane.
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Not at all. Read my last post. What is it?
Now the memo is that burning coal causes cooling not warming?
you don't work in a scientific field do you?
i won, get over it.
As you know the scientific consensus waxes and wanes with every new study, never mind the methodology or discussion, everything that is produced in any journal is just as good as the next ::)
you are in over your head, give up.
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Its a fact
All science is a theory until it is proven, only then does it become a fact. Man made global warming is a theory.
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you don't work in a scientific field do you?
i won, get over it.
As you know the scientific consensus waxes and wanes with every new study, never mind the methodology or discussion, everything that is produced in any journal is just as good as the next ::)
you are in over your head, give up.
You didnt win anything. youare just too caught u in the global warming bs to see the idiocy of these constantly changing claims by those espousing this nonsense.
If they are now claiming the last bit of COOLING over the past 10 years is a result of increased fossile fuel usage by Asia, how can people like yourself at the same time claim fossil fuel usage was the cause of the previous WARMING?
You guys want it always all the time.
Colder winters - global warming
Warmer winters - global warming
More tornadoes - global warming
Less tornadoes - global warming
More rain - global warming
Droughts - global warming
And on and on and on and on. you guys can't even keep your own bs straight for more than a week.
hhhmmmmm? ? ? ? ? ? ?
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no she has no idea what science is, she is against evolution and for intelligent design. There is no science to put on the table for creationism and if she has her way every origin myth would be presented to kids. Its insane.
She didn't say she wants to remove science from the classroom. At least not in the excerpt you posted.
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You didnt win anything. youare just too caught u in the global warming bs to see the idiocy of these constantly changing claims by those espousing this nonsense.
If they are now claiming the last bit of COOLING over the past 10 years is a result of increased fossile fuel usage by Asia, how can people like yourself at the same time claim fossil fuel usage was the cause of the previous WARMING?
You guys want it always all the time.
Colder winters - global warming
Warmer winters - global warming
More tornadoes - global warming
Less tornadoes - global warming
More rain - global warming
Droughts - global warming
And on and on and on and on. you guys can't even keep your own bs straight for more than a week.
hhhmmmmm? ? ? ? ? ? ?
That is also when it went from being called global warming to climate change. So basically change the name to one that can fit any agenda ::)
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All science is a theory until it is proven, only then does it become a fact. Man made global warming is a theory.
you obviously have no idea what a theory is in science. A theory is a collection of facts, natural selection is a fact which is described within the theory of evolution which again comprises many facts.
its a fact the globe is warming, global warming or the theory of climate change tries to explain this.
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She didn't say she wants to remove science from the classroom. At least not in the excerpt you posted.
she doesnt have to say it outright, the fact that she is against the teaching of evolution indicates she is in favor of not teaching current prevailing science. Now granted logically she could be a staunch supporter of all other sciences invalidating my generalized comment, however, the global warming thing leads one to believe she is against any science that doesnt fit her agenda to the point of denying reality. The carbon dioxide comment proves this further.
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That is also when it went from being called global warming to climate change. So basically change the name to one that can fit any agenda ::)
the theory has always been about climate change as warming refers to a transient episode of increased temp, where as climate refers to long arching patterns which includes temperature. Let me guess republican?
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You didnt win anything. youare just too caught u in the global warming bs to see the idiocy of these constantly changing claims by those espousing this nonsense.
If they are now claiming the last bit of COOLING over the past 10 years is a result of increased fossile fuel usage by Asia, how can people like yourself at the same time claim fossil fuel usage was the cause of the previous WARMING?
You guys want it always all the time.
Colder winters - global warming
Warmer winters - global warming
More tornadoes - global warming
Less tornadoes - global warming
More rain - global warming
Droughts - global warming
And on and on and on and on. you guys can't even keep your own bs straight for more than a week.
hhhmmmmm? ? ? ? ? ? ?
its climate change, why should i have to respond when i have raped you with facts and knowledge only for you to ignore my post.
did you actually read the full study?
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You clowns can't even keep a straight story for more than a week without contradicting what you said last week.
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You clowns can't even keep a straight story for more than a week without contradicting what you said last week.
you think there have been no negative studies or studies that have disagreed with a theory before? happens all the time, methodology, atypical results, poor academics. You also have to keep an open mind in science something you lack. New phenomenon may exist, things we dont understand. It is childish to assume that because something doesnt fit our models we cant figure it out or we are completely wrong. It is also inane to assume that climate change will be the same everywhere and that new trends in agriculture and technology wont add to fluctuations. Scientists have no vested interest, you see global warming as it were is the prevailing theory accepted by the vast majority of scientists in the field (this is not up for dispute) thus, falsifying the theory would garner a scientist a huge grant, prestige and perhaps the nobel. proving theories wrong are the holy grail, coming up with a new theory that explains everything better is a scientists wet dream.
you literally have no idea about science yet you think based on a snippet, not even a whole study, this disproves climate change globally, its small minded to think such a complex topic can be summed up so succinctly, only a closed minded fool would think as much.
anus=raped
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you obviously have no idea what a theory is in science. A theory is a collection of facts, natural selection is a fact which is described within the theory of evolution which again comprises many facts.
its a fact the globe is warming, global warming or the theory of climate change tries to explain this.
Fact nothing. By all accounts, nothing has happened since 1998.
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you think there have been no negative studies or studies that have disagreed with a theory before? happens all the time, methodology, atypical results, poor academics. You also have to keep an open mind in science something you lack. New phenomenon may exist, things we dont understand. It is childish to assume that because something doesnt fit our models we cant figure it out or we are completely wrong. It is also inane to assume that climate change will be the same everywhere and that new trends in agriculture and technology wont add to fluctuations. Scientists have no vested interest, you see global warming as it were is the prevailing theory accepted by the vast majority of scientists in the field (this is not up for dispute) thus, falsifying the theory would garner a scientist a huge grant, prestige and perhaps the nobel. proving theories wrong are the holy grail, coming up with a new theory that explains everything better is a scientists wet dream.
you literally have no idea about science yet you think based on a snippet, not even a whole study, this disproves climate change globally, its small minded to think such a complex topic can be summed up so succinctly, only a closed minded fool would think as much.
anus=raped
Yeah, ok. No vested interest. ::) ::)
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Yeah, ok. No vested interest. ::) ::)
some do, more so in the biomedical field, natural sciences are more open to testing. if you think all scientists have vested interests then you are a paranoid. Francis collins for example is highly religious yet works on the genome project a clear conflict. the vested interest has to be explicitly stated in the paper as well, along with the source for funding so its transparent. Wanting something to be and reality are incompatible. Reality exists and those are the facts, being repub, a bible thumper or 9/11 truther do not change reality no matter how much you want it to be so.
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you obviously have no idea what a theory is in science. A theory is a collection of facts, natural selection is a fact which is described within the theory of evolution which again comprises many facts.
its a fact the globe is warming, global warming or the theory of climate change tries to explain this.
It appears you are the one that has no idea what a theory is, if a theory was a fact then it would be called a fact. Just because you can pick a fact out of theory does not make the theory fact.
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It appears you are the one that has no idea what a theory is, if a theory was a fact then it would be called a fact. Just because you can pick a fact out of theory does not make the theory fact.
lol, are you serious, re-read my post and see if your comprehension was correct.
pro-tip: it was not
theories are models comprised of facts. If you cant delineate what that means then our iq's are to far apart for me to explain it to you in a more rudimentary way, sorry.
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some do, more so in the biomedical field, natural sciences are more open to testing. if you think all scientists have vested interests then you are a paranoid. Francis collins for example is highly religious yet works on the genome project a clear conflict. the vested interest has to be explicitly stated in the paper as well, along with the source for funding so its transparent. Wanting something to be and reality are incompatible. Reality exists and those are the facts, being repub, a bible thumper or 9/11 truther do not change reality no matter how much you want it to be so.
You = FAIL x 1,000,000. Grow up an admit your "Day After Tommorow" nonsense is pure crappola tailor made for the enviro freak show gullible enough to buy into that crap.
I am not a 9/11 truther, am not religious, and not a social con in any stretch.
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lol, are you serious, re-read my post and see if your comprehension was correct.
pro-tip: it was not
theories are models comprised of facts. If you cant delineate what that means then our iq's are to far apart for me to explain it to you in a more rudimentary way, sorry.
blah blah blah, your theories, along with all the other global warming idiots, changes by the day to suit the newest data as the old crap you push gets debunked daily.
Look - you bought into a pseudo-cult, its cool, just admit it.
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lol, are you serious, re-read my post and see if your comprehension was correct.
pro-tip: it was not
theories are models comprised of facts. If you cant delineate what that means then our iq's are to far apart for me to explain it to you in a more rudimentary way, sorry.
My comprehension is just fine, if man made global warming is indeed fact and not a theory, where is the absolute concrete proof? Let you in a little secret, if there was proof Al Gore would not have disappeared. What we know is a fact is that the climate of the earth changes, warming periods and cooling periods.
Go outside and look up in the sky, that big yellow ball you see, its called the sun. Higher levels of solar activity=warmer earth.
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You = FAIL x 1,000,000. Grow up an admit your "Day After Tommorow" nonsense is pure crappola tailor made for the enviro freak show gullible enough to buy into that crap.
I am not a 9/11 truther, am not religious, and not a social con in any stretch.
you are trolling ,terribly also
i dont believe in a day after tommorow, i just think there will be negative environmental impact of our lifestyles. All i care about is the truth, i dont have a party like you, i dont agree with all this shit blindly i let facts to the talking.
if you think our actions dont have environmental impacts you are deluded.
You have lost the argument, you have resorted to trolling and ad hominem attacks a sure sign of mental midgetry . look whos on my side, the scientific majority and who is on yours, kazan a kid who cant read a simple paragraph and discern it's meaning.
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My comprehension is just fine, if man made global warming is indeed fact and not a theory, where is the absolute concrete proof? Let you in a little secret, if there was proof Al Gore would not have disappeared. What we know is a fact is that the climate of the earth changes, warming periods and cooling periods.
Go outside and look up in the sky, that big yellow ball you see, its called the sun. Higher levels of solar activity=warmer earth.
i didnt say man made global warming was a fact, again your comprehension leaves me puzzled. The globe is warming, that is a fact all of the international climate data shows this. Why is the question that is up for debate, however substantial evidence points to man made influence perhaps along with other unknown or known factors.
with regards to the sun, what about Ocean currents, clouds, snow? do they not have an impact.
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you are trolling ,terribly also
i dont believe in a day after tommorow, i just think there will be negative environmental impact of our lifestyles. All i care about is the truth, i dont have a party like you, i dont agree with all this shit blindly i let facts to the talking.
if you think our actions dont have environmental impacts you are deluded.
You have lost the argument, you have resorted to trolling and ad hominem attacks a sure sign of mental midgetry . look whos on my side, the scientific majority and who is on yours, kazan a kid who cant read a simple paragraph and discern it's meaning.
The majority of idiots in Harvard, Yale, Columbia, Pinceton, et al voted for obama thinking his economic programs would be a success.
I could care less about your so called "majority". Fact is that you have nothing whatsoever to prove that man is causing "global warming", which now looks to have ceased in 1998, despite massive increases in CO2 emmissions from Asia.
Find a new theory and scare tactic to peddle, the global warming bs failed you miserably.
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you are trolling ,terribly also
i dont believe in a day after tommorow, i just think there will be negative environmental impact of our lifestyles. All i care about is the truth, i dont have a party like you, i dont agree with all this shit blindly i let facts to the talking.
if you think our actions dont have environmental impacts you are deluded.
You have lost the argument, you have resorted to trolling and ad hominem attacks a sure sign of mental midgetry . look whos on my side, the scientific majority and who is on yours, kazan a kid who cant read a simple paragraph and discern it's meaning.
Oh here we again with the infamous "kid" reference, as if that somehow elevates your OPINION. I'm going to let you in on another little secret, US lifestyle is not the problem, we have some of the most restrictive environmental laws. The problem is the 3rd world shit holes that use where ever as a toxic waste dump and breed like bacteria. Cap and Trade is nothing more than a way to redistribute wealth from the 1st world nations to the 3rd world nations under the guise of saving the environment. Ever been to China? Why were they excluded from Kyoto? They have rivers that a red from all the crap dumped into them.
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i didnt say man made global warming was a fact, again your comprehension leaves me puzzled. The globe is warming, that is a fact all of the international climate data shows this. Why is the question that is up for debate, however substantial evidence points to man made influence perhaps along with other unknown or known factors.
with regards to the sun, what about Ocean currents, clouds, snow? do they not have an impact.
Then I guess we are in agreement that man made global warming is not a fact. The evidence has been shown to be manipulated, therefore it is junk science.
The Sun, the Jet Stream, Ocean currents all play a part in weather patterns. I don't live in a vacuum of today, all one has to do is simply look back through history and voila, the climate has changed over decades, centuries, Milena. And it has done this long before there were cars or coal plants.
So to make things "fair" the US is supposed to cripple its economy, so the 3rd world nations can get a little payola and feel better about themselves? I don't think so.
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she doesnt have to say it outright, the fact that she is against the teaching of evolution indicates she is in favor of not teaching current prevailing science. Now granted logically she could be a staunch supporter of all other sciences invalidating my generalized comment, however, the global warming thing leads one to believe she is against any science that doesnt fit her agenda to the point of denying reality. The carbon dioxide comment proves this further.
She didn't say it outright. She didn't imply it. She said all science theories should be presented in the classroom. "All" would include the monkey business. :)
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The majority of idiots in Harvard, Yale, Columbia, Pinceton, et al voted for obama thinking his economic programs would be a success.
I could care less about your so called "majority". Fact is that you have nothing whatsoever to prove that man is causing "global warming", which now looks to have ceased in 1998, despite massive increases in CO2 emmissions from Asia.
Find a new theory and scare tactic to peddle, the global warming bs failed you miserably.
every study and symposium i posted was after that date with all new data after that date, you are making yourself look foolish. You clearly never read my links and papers which is a sure sign of a closed minded bigot.
keep trolling.
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Oh here we again with the infamous "kid" reference, as if that somehow elevates your OPINION. I'm going to let you in on another little secret, US lifestyle is not the problem, we have some of the most restrictive environmental laws. The problem is the 3rd world shit holes that use where ever as a toxic waste dump and breed like bacteria. Cap and Trade is nothing more than a way to redistribute wealth from the 1st world nations to the 3rd world nations under the guise of saving the environment. Ever been to China? Why were they excluded from Kyoto? They have rivers that a red from all the crap dumped into them.
jesus, where did i say it was america? you are either deliberately mis-reading my posts or cannot. So now you agree with me as highlighted by your diatribe on 3rd world countries. If you think man has no or little effect bringing up this point is useless. Your tactic of trying to avert the blame indicates you realize our actions have impacts on the climate and atmosphere.
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Then I guess we are in agreement that man made global warming is not a fact. The evidence has been shown to be manipulated, therefore it is junk science.
The Sun, the Jet Stream, Ocean currents all play a part in weather patterns. I don't live in a vacuum of today, all one has to do is simply look back through history and voila, the climate has changed over decades, centuries, Milena. And it has done this long before there were cars or coal plants.
So to make things "fair" the US is supposed to cripple its economy, so the 3rd world nations can get a little payola and feel better about themselves? I don't think so.
no i dont think the current rise in global warming is all man, that is not a fact. I do however believe our actions contribute, this is a fact the extent of that fact is yet to be determined. Thus global warming is an amalgam of all kinds of shit.
i also agree the climate change naturally occurs. That is not the point, it is accelerating and has become problematic, wether natural or man made something has to be done about it. I also agree that america is doing a good job in relation.
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She didn't say it outright. She didn't imply it. She said all science theories should be presented in the classroom. "All" would include the monkey business. :)
are you just using this clip to decide that, perhaps i should have been more clear, she has stated what i have said, of course para-phrased.
She did not state that in the clip, no.
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jesus, where did i say it was america? you are either deliberately mis-reading my posts or cannot. So now you agree with me as highlighted by your diatribe on 3rd world countries. If you think man has no or little effect bringing up this point is useless. Your tactic of trying to avert the blame indicates you realize our actions have impacts on the climate and atmosphere.
Do I think man has the ability to damage the earth, yes. do I think man has the ability the change weather patterns? no. My tactic is that the US has addressed the issue, and there is no reason for the US to destroy its economy because of the "bad actors".
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are you just using this clip to decide that, perhaps i should have been more clear, she has stated what i have said, of course para-phrased.
She did not state that in the clip, no.
You said she wants science out of the classroom. When I asked where she said that, you gave me quote where she said she wants "all" science taught in the classroom. If you have another quote or clip, please post it. I don't recall her ever saying she wants science out of the classroom.
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LOL @ people who believe global warming is manmade! Morons.
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Please say this is tongue-in-cheek!!
Why the fuck are the Republicans even trying to run against Obama? For the pure sport of it?
Anyone that doesn't think Obama will be re-elected hands down is delusional.
Black vote? CHECK
So what! The black vote always goes for the Democrat. It didn't help Gore or Kerry. Plus, the novelty of the first black president has waned. A black man is in the Oval Office. YET, unemployment for black people is at levels, not seen since Depression years.
Lationo vote? CHECK
Not necessarily!! Remember that Bush got a signficant portion of Latino votes in 2004 (40% by poll estimates). Plus, Latinos from Cuba and other places (besides Mexico) don't lockstep for the Dems, especially in "red" states or those that Obama just flipped "blue".
And, as 333386 said elsewhere, many of these black and Latino voters are in states that Obama (or any Dem) would win easily anyway. The electoral college negates the numbers game there.
First time young idealistic liberal voters? CHECK
Those first time idealistic voters are getting A REALITY CHECK!! All those rich people that the liberals keep demonizing are EMPLOYERS. When these college kids have to move back home with Momma and Daddy and have loans out the anus, but no gainful employment, they'll see just how much "Hope and Change" don't pay the bills. Plus, unemployment among teens is at near-record high (especially among black teens).
Billion dollar campaign? CHECK
His numbers are sort of low right now...but he's going to pull a magic rabbit out of his hat to get the economy moving a bit and call it a success. He's going to bring some troops home and say he did what he promised in his first campaign.
Mark my words
Obama will need every penny he can get. Yet, that still might not be enough. See my thread on Obama's poll numbers. Lest we forget, there are these voters called white people that will have a say in the matter (especially those of the independent stripe).
Bottom line: If this economy continues to worsen, Obama's goose is all but cooked!!
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Do I think man has the ability to damage the earth, yes. do I think man has the ability the change weather patterns? no. My tactic is that the US has addressed the issue, and there is no reason for the US to destroy its economy because of the "bad actors".
cant say i dont agree with the last part of your post, there are better options to improve upon the good standing. Man certainly influences the climate, how could that much pollution not have an effect? If you think that global warming is not caused by man i disagree ( i think he has a large role) but i can respect that position as it is debatable although the less solid position according to science. Denying warming outright is insane.
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LOL @ people who believe global warming is manmade! Morons.
LOL@ people who think thats what science says.
to think one component is the sole etiology of the climate change when the problem is so complex is beyond moronic.
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LOL@ people who think thats what science says.
to think one component is the sole etiology of the climate change when the problem is so complex is beyond moronic.
The problem is that those who support the mand made theory can't keep a story straight for more than 2 minutes flat.
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The problem is that those who support the mand made theory can't keep a story straight for more than 2 minutes flat.
obvious troll is obvious
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obvious troll is obvious
Sorry if the shortcomings of your theories and global warming hysteria are so damaging to you now that they have failed to pan out.
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Sorry if the shortcomings of your theories and global warming hysteria are so damaging to you now that they have failed to pan out.
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