Author Topic: Mentzer owning Schwarzenigger? (Read 13404 times)

lovemonkey · « **Reply #1 on:** October 29, 2009, 06:02:26 PM »

Quote from: Bast175 on October 29, 2009, 05:46:55 PM

Ehm one went completely nuts in the 80's, died in 2001 probably flat broke, the other one won 7 mr. Olympias, became one of the highest paid actors in Hollywood with a trademark look and sound that's known over the entire world and now is the two time governor of California.

Who got owned here?

regmac · « **Reply #2 on:** October 29, 2009, 06:06:24 PM »

Quote from: Bast175 on October 29, 2009, 05:46:55 PM

Isn't that Flanders from the Simpsons?

Bast175 · « **Reply #3 on:** October 29, 2009, 06:06:38 PM »

Quote from: lovemonkey on October 29, 2009, 06:02:26 PM

Ehm one went completely nuts in the 80's, died in 2001 probably flat broke, the other one won 7 mr. Olympias, became one of the highest paid actors in Hollywood with a trademark look and sound that's known over the entire world and now is the two time governor of California.

Who got owned here?

Money isn't the only currency of happiness.

NarcissisticDeity · « **Reply #4 on:** October 29, 2009, 06:10:21 PM »

Quote from: Bast175 on October 29, 2009, 05:46:55 PM

The joke was on him and H.I.T

Arnold's will beat him and his superior mind. Let's entertain he did beat Arnold in 1980 what now? he beat a very sub-par Arnold Yipppeeeee he couldn't touch Arnold at his best so either way Mentzer - fail

lovemonkey · « **Reply #5 on:** October 29, 2009, 06:12:44 PM »

Quote from: Bast175 on October 29, 2009, 06:06:38 PM

Money isn't the only currency of happiness.

Did I ever mention his wealth?

Edit: I mentioned Mentzer probably being flat broke but that's just an indicator that he was not successful in his ventures.

Voice of Doom · « **Reply #6 on:** October 29, 2009, 06:24:12 PM »

this guy would have been even less without Arnold....

Bast175 · « **Reply #7 on:** October 29, 2009, 06:24:30 PM »

Quote from: lovemonkey on October 29, 2009, 06:12:44 PM

Did I ever mention his wealth?

Edit: I mentioned Mentzer probably being flat broke but that's just an indicator that he was not successful in his ventures.

what sources do you have that he was broke?

lovemonkey · « **Reply #8 on:** October 29, 2009, 06:26:01 PM »

Quote from: Bast175 on October 29, 2009, 06:24:30 PM

what sources do you have that he was broke?

I just got that impression... I did say "probably". Did he have much to his name when his body failed?

regmac · « **Reply #9 on:** October 29, 2009, 06:30:44 PM »

Nice guy (I met himn at Gold's Redondo Bch) but he blamed the Oak for everything!!!!

Lexus II · « **Reply #10 on:** October 29, 2009, 07:02:11 PM »

Quote from: Bast175 on October 29, 2009, 05:46:55 PM

Mentzer was right about a lot. His philosophy of HIT helped me when I was making no gains. Classic case of over training and under eating. At one point I was training legs and back three times a week. now I train them only once a week and am able to constantly progress. I do two working sets per exercise, similar to Yates.

What he said about less training, but more intensity was right on the money; especially for a natural like myself.

#1 Klaus fan · « **Reply #11 on:** October 29, 2009, 07:09:40 PM »

Mentzer got so schooled in 1980 it's not even funny...wait yes it is.

gcb · « **Reply #12 on:** October 29, 2009, 07:21:41 PM »

I don't think HIT is all that - I think you need a bit of volume, but the opposite (high volume) is also a big load, especially if you aren't juicing. So to a degree Mentzer was right.

Mussolini · « **Reply #13 on:** October 29, 2009, 07:31:18 PM »

Quote from: lovemonkey on October 29, 2009, 06:26:01 PM

I just got that impression... I did say "probably". Did he have much to his name when his body failed?

I know Arnold had to pay Ray Mentzers medical bills so Mike obviously didnt have much.

#1 Klaus fan · « **Reply #14 on:** October 29, 2009, 07:38:03 PM »

The guy on Mentzer's film, Markus, is still circa 10 years after filming deadlifting barely 4 plates a side and isn't a little tiny bit bigger.

pellius · « **Reply #15 on:** October 29, 2009, 07:51:37 PM »

I was/am a huge Mentzer fan and he influenced my thinking tremendously. When I first met him at Gold's in Venice (I was introduced to him by the great Don Ross RIP) I couldn't get past the voice. The nasally drone didn't seem to fit him. But he was a good guy and always greeted me by my name.

You can't compare him to Arnold. Arnold owns the world. Mentzer wasn't broke. Not by a long shot. I think Ray was more down and out. But even if you are making a six figure salary paying for dialysis and other medical problems that Ray had would put anybody in the poor house. I think after Arnold retired from bodybuilding he had a less cut throat dog eat dog mentality when it came to other bodybuilders. They were his competition after all and nothing was going to get in his way. But I think when he retired he now looks back on bodybuilding as some his fondest years and grew a soft spot for those guys. He never forgot his roots and the people from that period in his life. He and Mentzer buried the hatchet and became friends. Arnold paying for Ray's medical bills was nothing for him financially and it was his way of giving back to those days of glory and not forgetting the people from that time period.

regmac · « **Reply #16 on:** October 29, 2009, 08:14:29 PM »

He used to hang with Dave Fisher and (the also deceased) Don Ross at Redondo's Gold's.

rocket · « **Reply #17 on:** October 29, 2009, 08:16:49 PM »

Disagreeing with someone is not owning them.

Rami · « **Reply #18 on:** October 29, 2009, 08:21:10 PM »

He seem bitter and regretful. Or like someone who does not really like to work out or the body building / fitness lifestyle.

regmac · « **Reply #19 on:** October 29, 2009, 08:23:55 PM »

He was depressed for crying out loud. Let the man rest in peace with his brother in his ass.

PJim · « **Reply #20 on:** October 29, 2009, 08:35:10 PM »

It's a shame we lost this great man. RIP Mike and Ray.

Spoony Luv · « **Reply #21 on:** October 29, 2009, 09:29:00 PM »

Quote from: Mussolini on October 29, 2009, 07:31:18 PM

I know Arnold had to pay Ray Mentzers medical bills so Mike obviously didnt have much.

Guilt is a hellva drug isn't it!

WillGrant · « **Reply #22 on:** October 29, 2009, 09:34:31 PM »

Sounds like Nasser /Dorian also

Pollux · « **Reply #23 on:** October 30, 2009, 05:23:10 AM »

Quote from: rocket on October 29, 2009, 08:16:49 PM

Disagreeing with someone is not owning them.

Exactly.

Pretty funny how Mike confused Arnold's name with Arthur not once, but twice.

MAXX · « **Reply #24 on:** October 30, 2009, 05:34:18 AM »

Allmost every bodybuilder trains their muscles every 7-9 day nowdays thenks to Mentzer and Yates influence

I will say that he was a bit extreme on how little exercises and sets it takes for the best growth. But it works for some people it seems.