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Stfu benny
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The liberals are to blame for whites voting Republican. Liberals alienated working class and lower working class white voters by creating a political platform based in part on demonizing whites. Liberals know they wont win these voters back so they intend to import voters from every backward third world cesspool they can.
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This.
Excellent post, Archer77 8)
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The ironic part is both AD2100 & Archer are correct.
The demonization works both ways, ...so does the hate propaganda.
Hopefully one day people will wake up and realize BOTH sides follow orders from the same entities.
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The ironic part is both AD2100 & Archer are correct.
The demonization works both ways, ...so does the hate propaganda.
Hopefully one day people will wake up and realize BOTH sides follow orders from the same entities.
I like you, but your both sides bullshit is so CNN. The right is insane and openly and vigorously working on behalf of the 1%.
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I like you, but your both sides bullshit is so CNN. The right is insane and openly and vigorously working on behalf of the 1%.
Nothing is ever so clear cut. There is bad in the good and a little good in the bad...
and while the right is vigourously and openly working on behalf of the 1%, so is the left... despite the rhetoric.
Screw the speeches. Actions speak louder than words. They're both working on behalf of the 1% Wake Up!!!
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The ironic part is both AD2100 & Archer are correct.
The demonization works both ways, ...so does the hate propaganda.
Hopefully one day people will wake up and realize BOTH sides follow orders from the same entities.
I like you, but your both sides bullshit is so CNN. The left is insane and openly and vigorously working on behalf of the 1%.
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I like you, but your both sides bullshit is so CNN. The left is insane and openly and vigorously working on behalf of the 1%.
I really do like you. You're a funny dude. Have great taste in movies and television, but damn, you and I look at the same thing and see the opposite. Now I'm off to have some french fried taters.
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I really do like you. You're a funny dude. Have great taste in movies and television, but damn, you and I look at the same thing and see the opposite. Now I'm off to have some french fried taters.
The feeling is definitely mutual!!
Mustard taste good on em to me. ;D
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The ironic part is both AD2100 & Archer are correct.
The demonization works both ways, ...so does the hate propaganda.
Hopefully one day people will wake up and realize BOTH sides follow orders from the same entities.
I dont deny the demonization goes both ways. I would havd written something similar if the post was about the democrats.
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http://www.newrepublic.com/article/117346/lbj-should-not-be-celebrated-liberal-hero
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It seems that the GOP’s outreach program to recruit minority voters has gone bust, and with good reason. Contrary to what the GOP seems to think, the problem that the Republican Party is having with recruiting minority voters has absolutely nothing to do with merely communicating their agenda more effectively - it’s their agenda itself that's the problem. The minority community is not dumb. They understand that the Republican agenda is so toxic to the American people as a whole that they have to use racist and bigoted rhetoric and policies just to gain what little support they do have from their conservative base.
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Thus, covert racism and bigotry is the only thing the GOP has to offer to justify their current existence, since for the past 70 years their primary agenda has been to return poor and middle-class Americans (of every race) to the condition that they suffered prior to the New Deal that brought them relief from the effects of the Great Depression. But the American people are simply not going to buy into that, so the Republican Party has had to sugarcoat their message by cloaking it in the tried-and-true emotional appeal of good old American hatred, anger, and bigotry (See Rush Limbaugh, Bill O'Reilly, Sean Hannity, etc.).
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But demographics are now working against them, and they know it. So they’ve gotten desperate - the mere fact that they even attempted minority outreach clearly attests to that desperation - and since they’re also without limits, if they EVER regain control of this government, they're not letting it go again, regardless to WHAT they have to do.
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I like you, but your both sides bullshit is so CNN. The right is insane and openly and vigorously working on behalf of the 1%.
+1
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REPUBLICAN ECONOMICS
Supply- Side Economics was a scheme hatch by U.S.C. economist Arthur Laffer and the Reagan crowd which was supposed to cut the deficit and balance the budget. The theory behind Reaganomics was ostensibly, if you cut taxes for business and people in the upper tax brackets, and then deregulated business of such nuisances as safety regulations and environmental safeguards, the beneficiaries would invest their savings into creating new jobs. In that way the money would eventually "trickle down" to the rest of us. The resulting broadened tax base would not only help to bring down the deficit, but also subsidize the tremendously high defense budget.When the plan was first floated, even George Bush, Reagan's vice president to be, called it "voodoo economics."
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So Reaganomics, for the most part, sought to undo many of the safeguards put into place during the Roosevelt era and create a business environment similar to that which was in place during the Coolidge Administration. What actually took place, however, was even more like the Coolidge era than planned.
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Instead of taking the money and investing it into creating new jobs, the money was used in wild schemes and stock market speculation. One of these schemes, the leveraged buy out, involved buying up large companies with borrowed funds secured by the company's assets, then paying off the loan by selling off the assets of the purchased company. This practice cost the citizens of this country its industrial base. In addition, the bottom fell out of the stock market. On Monday, October 19, 1987 the Dow-Jones Average fell 508.32 points. It was the greatest one-day decline since 1914 - 15 years before the Great Depression.
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And what about Ronald Reagan's promise to balance the budget and lower the deficit? By the time he left office he was not only the most prolific spender of any president, but he also added more to the deficit than all of the other presidents from George Washington to his own administration combined. And what did the Republican Party propose to do about that? One of the Republican proposals was their "contract with America," a capitol gains tax cut -- for the rich.
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Due to the continued freewheeling fiscal policies of conservative Republicans, between 1986 and 1989, spanning the presidencies of Reagan and Bush Sr., the FSLIC had to pay off all the depositors of 296 institutions with assets of over $125 billion.
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I like you, but your both sides bullshit is so CNN. The right is insane and openly and vigorously working on behalf of the 1%.
such a childish opinion. this statement is the product of a young liberal media obsessed society who learns all their values, morals and opinions from prime time television.... and thinks celebrities are the gold standard of political discourse.
unfortunately you're a dime a dozen.
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such a childish opinion. this statement is the product of a young liberal media obsessed society who learns all their values, morals and opinions from prime time television.... and thinks celebrities are the gold standard of political discourse.
unfortunately you're a dime a dozen.
And you learn all your values from FOX.
Your an idiot Bear.
Look at their politics for fucked sake. The GOP just fucked the veterans of all people.
I hope the taste of the rich Mans dick is worth it Bear. You are pathetic.
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And you learn all your values from FOX.
Your an idiot Bear.
Look at their politics for fucked sake. The GOP just fucked the veterans of all people.
You're wasting your time, ...some people are simply too far gone to get it.
I hope the taste of the rich Mans dick is worth it Bear. You are pathetic.
Oooh ...rich mans dick, my favourite kind. :P
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And you learn all your values from FOX.
Your an idiot Bear.
Look at their politics for fucked sake. The GOP just fucked the veterans of all people.
I hope the taste of the rich Mans dick is worth it Bear. You are pathetic.
you wanna sit on here and go tit for tat on how each party has treated the military over the past 14 years? do you?
seriously let me know. fucking idiot.
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And you learn all your values from FOX.
Your an idiot Bear.
Look at their politics for fucked sake. The GOP just fucked the veterans of all people.
I hope the taste of the rich Mans dick is worth it Bear. You are pathetic.
and the democrats politics have done exactly what for poor people? please PLEASE enlighten us all. can't wait until your first response has something to do with health care. LOL!! no seriously go ahead.
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Thats odd, the democrats in congress were recently shown to be richer than their republican counterparts(despite media trying to depict the opposite)....the democrats have more big name billionaire donors than the republicans do(despite media coverage of only repub donors)...Obamas relection campaign had over ONE BILLION DOLLARS, and was funded by all the big-name wall street institutions the left wing media pretends to hate.
Sounds like you are spewing emotion and talking points instead of facts.
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Thats odd, the democrats in congress were recently shown to be richer than their republican counterparts(despite media trying to depict the opposite)....the democrats have more big name billionaire donors than the republicans do(despite media coverage of only repub donors)...Obamas relection campaign had over ONE BILLION DOLLARS, and was funded by all the big-name wall street institutions the left wing media pretends to hate.
Sounds like you are spewing emotion and talking points instead of facts.
no he's spewing what he sees on the Colbert Report and snarky comments made by celebrities pandering to the left wing Hollywood worshippers. if you say something enough times to the masses, it becomes truth.
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FDR: WARNING ABOUT TODAY'S REPUBLICANS
DUMB ASS REPUBLICAN VOTERS ::)
The GOP is against affordable health care for American families; they're against any kind of spending to put Americans back to work, and they're against extending unemployment insurance to relieve the burden of America's unemployed. What's particularly telling, however, is they're also against any kind of strong legislation to prevent the financial community (them) from being able to rob the American people in the future.
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The fact is, what they really want is to maintain the status quo, and make damn sure that the American people remained miserable, hungry, and divided throughout the Obama administration so they'll have a better chance to regain power and raid the treasury again thereafter. Republican Senate minority leader, Mitch McConnell, was frustrated and reckless enough to say it out loud - "Our No. 1 priority is to make this president a one-term president" - not to save America, or to bring relief to the American people, but to make Barack Obama a one-term president. Flag pens in lapels and patriotic rhetoric notwithstanding, that says it all about the GOP's lack of concern for America, or the American people.
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Now that they've lost the election, their agenda has shifted to making sure that President Obama is not successful, because if he is, and you combine that with the rapidly changing demographic and Hillary Clinton's popularity, that could spell doom for the future of the GOP - and it should, because they're grossly out of touch with reality, and, America's best interest. They're out to create a corporate feudalist society. The government shutdown alone, clearly demonstrates that they have absolutely no respect for democracy.
GREAT JOB, GOP! ::)
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no he's spewing what he sees on the Colbert Report and snarky comments made by celebrities pandering to the left wing Hollywood worshippers. if you say something enough times to the masses, it becomes truth.
Anyone over the age of 25 has no excuse for not realizing the main wings of both parties ( bush style reps and "middle of the road" dems) offer almost exactly the same flavor of shit
Bailouts, bombs, growth of government,higher taxes, keep drugs illegal. The only places they differ are superficial pandering to homos, illegals and abortion to keep the barely double digit voters distracted.
The only good candidates on both sides stand no chance
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Anyone over the age of 25 has no excuse for not realizing the main wings of both parties ( bush style reps and "middle of the road" dems) offer almost exactly the same flavor of shit
Bailouts, bombs, growth of government,higher taxes, keep drugs illegal. The only places they differ are superficial pandering to homos, illegals and abortion to keep the barely double digit voters distracted.
The only good candidates on both sides stand no chance
totally agree. and when I bring attention to their infantile view they accuse me of being a Republican who watches fox news. why? because that's the fallback comeback when they have no rational argument of their own.
i mean shit these mother fuckers STILL TALK ABOUT SARAH PALIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! that's how little of a ground their arguments have to stand on. that's all they have. its horrible.
funny thing is I have always been the first to admit that there's no logical reason why I think the Republicans should have won the election in 2008. I have no reason to believe that Mitt Romney would have done a better job. but I also have the luxury of not being attached to the balls of a political party. but they are. they've claimed their allegiance and they're trying to be good little soldiers. and they have to prove their loyalty on a daily basis.
in their defense it must be exhausting to a slave to a political party.
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totally agree. and when I bring attention to their infantile view they accuse me of being a Republican who watches fox news. why? because that's the fallback comeback when they have no rational argument of their own.
i mean shit these mother fuckers STILL TALK ABOUT SARAH PALIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! that's how little of a ground their arguments have to stand on. that's all they have. its horrible.
funny thing is I have always been the first to admit that there's no logical reason why I think the Republicans should have won the election in 2008. I have no reason to believe that Mitt Romney would have done a better job. but I also have the luxury of not being attached to the balls of a political party. but they are. they've claimed their allegiance and they're trying to be good little soldiers. and they have to prove their loyalty on a daily basis.
in their defense it must be exhausting to a slave to a political party.
The funniest/saddest part is that some of the most fanatical obama/democrat supporters on this board DONT EVEN LIVE IN AMERICA
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The funniest/saddest part is that some of the most fanatical obama/democrat supporters on this board DONT EVEN LIVE IN AMERICA
right. like when someone from Europe will claim to know more about how much taxes the rich pay than an actual tax preparer from the US. Its mass media's fault really. TV emboldens these people with the belief that they can understand US tax by what they see on a 2 minute news clip.
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right. like when someone from Europe will claim to know more about how much taxes the rich pay than an actual tax preparer from the US. Its mass media's fault really. TV emboldens these people with the belief that they can understand US tax by what they see on a 2 minute news clip.
Who gives a poop about taxes and the IRS?
I'm in this thread to see some Rich man's dick, ...and I wanna see it now! (please) :P
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Who gives a poop about taxes and the IRS?
I'm in this thread to see some Rich man's dick, ...and I wanna see it now! (please) :P
republicans only care about rich people and hate poor people. democrats want to help poor people and none of them are rich. they don't care about money.
there's 95% of all what I see on here. I have to share my air with people who actually believe this. its absolutely horrifying.
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republicans only care about rich people and hate poor people.
This is correct. Ironically, even for republicans who are themselves poor. ::)
democrats want to help poor people and none of them are rich. they don't care about money.
The first part is correct. I am not sure how you arrived at the part in bold though. ???
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This is correct. Ironically, even for republicans who are themselves poor. ::)
The first part is correct. I am not sure how you arrived at the part in bold though. ???
Democrats care as little for poor and middle class whites as the Republicans do. Poor and middle class have two choices; support the political party that panders to them but doesnt care(republicans) or vote for the party that openly scorns them and passses legislation against their interests(democrats). Not much of a choice.
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Democrats care as little for poor and middle class whites as the Republicans do. Poor and middle class have two choices; support the political party that panders to them but doesnt care(republicans) or vote for the party that openly scorns them and passses legislation against their interests(democrats). Not much of a choice.
that must be why Obama and some Dems are pushing for higher minimum wage
that must be why Dems kept pushing to extend unemployment benefit
that must be why Dems pushed to pass the ACA and expansion of Medicare
All legislation that goes against the interests of the poor and middle class
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that must be why Obama and some Dems are pushing for higher minimum wage
that must be why Dems kept pushing to extend unemployment benefit
that must be why Dems pushed to pass the ACA and expansion of Medicare
All legislation that goes against the interests of the poor and middle class
ACA doesnt help the middle class. Its another tax on working people to subsidize the poor. Higher minimum wage is only going to increase costs for the consumer. If they wanted to help the poor they wouldn't allow millions of illegals to drive down wages and they wouldnt give them amnesty.
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ACA doesnt help the middle class. Its another tax on working people to subsidize the poor. Higher minimum wage is only going to increase costs for the consumer. If they wanted to help the poor they wouldn't allow millions of illegals to drive down wages and they wouldnt give them amnesty.
if you ask the working poor if they want a higher minimum wage what do you think they would say?
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if you ask the working poor if they want a higher minimum wage what do you think they would say?
Everyone feels they should be paid more.
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Everyone feels they should be paid more.
I assume that's a yes
Is there any proof to your claim that raising the minimum wage raises costs to the consumer or harms the consumer or the economy
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I assume that's a yes
Is there any proof to your claim that raising the minimum wage raises costs to the consumer or harms the consumer or the economy
Common sense. Increased expenditures are passed along to the consumer in order to maintain profit margins. Paying for the higher wages has to come from somewhere. CEOs sure as hell aren't going to lower their salaries. Higher wages is why American made goods cost more. Go to any store and compare prices.
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Democrats care as little for poor and middle class whites as the Republicans do. Poor and middle class have two choices; support the political party that panders to them but doesnt care(republicans) or vote for the party that openly scorns them and passses legislation against their interests(democrats). Not much of a choice.
This a factually-challenged statement.
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Common sense. Increased expenditures are passed along to the consumer in order to maintain profit margins. Paying for the higher wages has to come from somewhere. CEOs sure as hell aren't going to lower their salaries. Higher wages is why American made goods cost more. Go to any store and compare prices.
so would it be common sense that states or cities that have raised the minimum wage must have also seen either higher prices or a drop in sales or some other detrimental offsetting effect?
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This a factually-challenged statement.
You believe that because you're a zealot. You're the 3333 on the opposite end of the spectrum.
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so would it be common sense that states or cities that have raised the minimum wage must have also seen either higher prices or a drop in sales or some other detrimental offsetting effect?
The push toward globalization and the erosion of the American manufacturing base driven by the search for cheap labor is evidence of that.
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Common sense. Increased expenditures are passed along to the consumer in order to maintain profit margins. Paying for the higher wages has to come from somewhere. CEOs sure as hell aren't going to lower their salaries. Higher wages is why American made goods cost more. Go to any store and compare prices.
I beg to differ, ...and quite frankly, I believe CEOs should accept a little less in salaries if they want to maintain current price points. But let us look at how increased wages for workers would impact the consumer price point.
If Walmart Paid It's Employees A Living Wage
There is a very high cost to low prices, and it goes well beyond the financials.
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Common sense. Increased expenditures are passed along to the consumer in order to maintain profit margins. Paying for the higher wages has to come from somewhere. CEOs sure as hell aren't going to lower their salaries. Higher wages is why American made goods cost more. Go to any store and compare prices.
Absolute truth. Not just higher wages, but anything that increases the cost of doing business results in higher costs passed along to consumers. And the consumers hit hardest are the ones who can least afford it.
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I beg to differ, ...and quite frankly, I believe CEOs should accept a little less in salaries if they want to maintain current price points. But let us look at how increased wages for workers would impact the consumer price point.
If Walmart Paid It's Employees A Living Wage
There is a very high cost to low prices, and it goes well beyond the financials.
Im not arguing against people being paid more or CEOS being paid less or more modestly. What it comes down to is profit margins. The cost of paying higher wages has to be made up by cutting or increasing cost somewhere.
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The push toward globalization and the erosion of the American manufacturing base driven by the search for cheap labor is evidence of that.
I'm talking about the minimum wage and whether it has a detrimental effect on sales, prices, etc..
If you have some proof that raising the minimum wage has caused the push toward globalization and erosion of the American manufacturing base then please post it or you can just directly answer my question
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This a factually-challenged statement.
STFU Benny
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I'm talking about the minimum wage and whether it has a detrimental effect on sales, prices, etc..
If you have some proof that raising the minimum wage has caused the push toward globalization and erosion of the American manufacturing base then please post it or you can just directly answer my question
as minimum wage rises, so does unemployment, so do prices to consumers. I mean this is basic, like first chapter Macroeconomics shit. ridiculous that you question something economists have known for literally hundreds of years.
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that must be why Obama and some Dems are pushing for higher minimum wage
that must be why Dems kept pushing to extend unemployment benefit
that must be why Dems pushed to pass the ACA and expansion of Medicare
All legislation that goes against the interests of the poor and middle class
you cannot be serious with this post. I don't even know where to start.
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This is correct. Ironically, even for republicans who are themselves poor. ::)
The first part is correct. I am not sure how you arrived at the part in bold though. ???
ah college kids. so cute.
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that must be why Obama and some Dems are pushing for higher minimum wage
that must be why Dems kept pushing to extend unemployment benefit
that must be why Dems pushed to pass the ACA and expansion of Medicare
All legislation that goes against the interests of the poor and middle class
LMFAO!!!!!
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You're wasting your time, ...some people are simply too far gone to get it.
Oooh ...rich mans dick, my favourite kind. :P
Bear can help you out here.
Granted the old men he rents his ass out too prefers a little closed case republican but maybe you will get lucky.
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Bear can help you out here.
Granted the old men he rents his ass out too prefers a little closed case republican but maybe you will get lucky.
when you have no rational argument and you don't have facts to back up your silly outlook on party politics, you call people "gay".
if it makes me gay to not believe your childish views of politics then I guess yeah i'm gay. not that there's anything wrong with that.
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you cannot be serious with this post. I don't even know where to start.
We know Bear you are a little fag who cant Cope with reality.
I know you are an idiot but here is your chance to convince the rest of the board otherwise.
Try to answer the Mans question, it should be easy considering we are all dumb liberals no?
(Im betting you can't so I will be calling you coward from now on until you do)
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We know Bear you are a little fag who cant Cope with reality.
I know you are an idiot but here is your chance to convince the rest of the board otherwise.
Try to answer the Mans question, it should be easy considering we are all dumb liberals no?
(Im betting you can't so I will be calling you coward from now on until you do)
don't get all the "gay" talk but OK.
I do not believe raising the minimum wage is always a good thing for the lower income demographic. if you had even the most basic understanding of macroeconomics you would know that there are both short term and long term advantages and disadvantages of raising the minimum wage. the fact that you outright assume that this will help the lower income demographic just shows that you don't know dick about economics.
extending unemployment benefits solves what? keeps the poor happy for a little longer? while still keeping them poor? they need jobs man. this is simply a case of political posturing. again, macroeconomics 101. you do understand that Bush extended unemployment benefits too right? no you probably didn't. that's just something administrations do when they can't produce jobs. Bush couldn't create jobs. he extends unemployment benefits. Obama can't create jobs. he extends unemployment benefits. the fact that you think Obama should use his extension of unemployment benefits as a feather in his cap just shows how fucking vapid you are.
if you're convinced that Obamacare is a great thing this early in the game, I don't believe you are thinking critically enough. I hope more than anyone that you're right and I'm wrong about this. I have never been able to make sense of how this will improve our health care system. I am open minded about this but when my health care premiums for my business go through the roof on January 1, 2015 i'm not going to sit here and pretend that I think its a good thing. i'm not rich. I make decent money and work hard for it. why am I paying more?
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you cannot be serious with this post. I don't even know where to start.
start at the first one and work down
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as minimum wage rises, so does unemployment, so do prices to consumers. I mean this is basic, like first chapter Macroeconomics shit. ridiculous that you question something economists have known for literally hundreds of years.
are you aware there is actual evidence to the contrary
go look at the effects the economy in areas that have higher minimum wages than the federal mandated minimum wage
If I bother to post a bunch of info (actual real life examples) will you just say it's goes against common sense and therefore can't be true
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are you aware there is actual evidence to the contrary
go look at the effects the economy in areas that have higher minimum wages than the federal mandated minimum wage
If I bother to post a bunch of info (actual real life examples) will you just say it's goes against common sense and therefore can't be true
did you read my fucking post? like I said in my previous post, there can be advantages to raising minimum wage. did you read that?
now raising minimum wage can have a positive effect on the economy. that's true. but raising minimum wage in an economy while at the same time raising taxes in that same economy can have disastrous consequences. we are going through a period of increased taxes, federal, state, sales tax, etc. and you think this is a good time to raise minimum wage? dude go back to school. seriously. that can't possibly make sense to you.
but you're all for it in ANY situation. because you're a liberal who doesn't think things through and has zero education in economics or tax policy. just like you can't simply read my post and understand that I'm not saying that a raise in minimum wage is ALWAYS the wrong decision. you believe that raising minimum wage is something you do because you're nice. and not raising minimum wage is something that you do if you're mean.
your childish rhetoric is exhausting and its ridiculous that you vote. honestly.
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did you read my fucking post? like I said in my previous post, there can be advantages to raising minimum wage. did you read that?
now raising minimum wage can have a positive effect on the economy. that's true. but raising minimum wage in an economy while at the same time raising taxes in that same economy can have disastrous consequences. we are going through a period of increased taxes, federal, state, sales tax, etc. and you think this is a good time to raise minimum wage? dude go back to school. seriously. that can't possibly make sense to you.
but you're all for it in ANY situation. because you're a liberal who doesn't think things through. just like you can't simply read my post and understand that I'm not saying that a raise in minimum wage is ALWAYS the wrong decision. you believe that raising minimum wage is something you do because you're nice. and not raising minimum wage is something that you do if you're mean.
your childish rhetoric is exhausting and its ridiculous that you vote. honestly.
See you actually never said anything at all. What are the benefits and drawbacks? saying they exist isn't saying anything at all. Your post has no content at all.
Raising min wage can have great effects, sometimes it's bad, we have a bad economy, you think it will help the lower demographic, haha, there are long and short term consequences , go back to school, im a retard.
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did you read my fucking post? like I said in my previous post, there can be advantages to raising minimum wage. did you read that?
now raising minimum wage can have a positive effect on the economy. that's true. but raising minimum wage in an economy while at the same time raising taxes in that same economy can have disastrous consequences. we are going through a period of increased taxes, federal, state, sales tax, etc. and you think this is a good time to raise minimum wage? dude go back to school. seriously. that can't possibly make sense to you.
but you're all for it in ANY situation. because you're a liberal who doesn't think things through and has zero education in economics or tax policy. just like you can't simply read my post and understand that I'm not saying that a raise in minimum wage is ALWAYS the wrong decision. you believe that raising minimum wage is something you do because you're nice. and not raising minimum wage is something that you do if you're mean.
your childish rhetoric is exhausting and its ridiculous that you vote. honestly.
childish rhetoric?
sheesh, like you said previously. I don't even know where to start with what you wrote
let's start with you not putting words in my mouth. Please show me where I said I'm for raising the minimum wage in ANY situation
would you really like to have in depth discussion on this issue
If so, let's start with your claim that raising the minimum wage results in job loss?
Your brought up that is was basic macro economics but actual economists (I assume you are not one) can't even agree if that's true in the real world
Raising the minimum wage increases unemployment.
In a perfectly competitive market, anything that raises the wage above a level at which the supply of workers equals the demand for them will create unemployment. But a perfectly competitive labor market requires that neither workers nor firms have bargaining power; that everyone has all the necessary information; that workers are a commodity, rather than different people with different skills and a need to be motivated; and that there are no frictions preventing supply from matching demand.
Although everyone I know who teaches introductory economics presents this model to students, few believe that it describes the real world. In fact, in a survey of 40 leading economists through the Initiative on Global Markets, a diverse group including both prominent liberals and conservatives, only about a third agreed that raising the minimum wage would make it harder for low-skilled workers to find employment. Because only about one in 10 thought the costs of hiring probably would be bigger than the benefits of higher wages for low-skilled workers, even that number overstates how concerned these economists are about the potential negative effects of raising the minimum wage.
So what’s the discrepancy between theory and what so many economists think? When economists have analyzed the data, many have found few, if any, negative effects of a minimum wage on employment. This has shifted some of the thinking in the profession — and pointed to flaws in a perfectly competitive model.
Paying workers more often leads them to feel better about their work and reduces stress, both of which increase productivity. And when workers produce more, employers’ labor costs fall. Companies such as Costco have figured this out, and voluntarily pay higher wages. Other firms may not care whether they pay less and get less from their workers, or pay more and get more.
But workers aren’t indifferent to this choice. A family trying to survive on the minimum wage can find itself living deep in poverty. Raising the minimum wage would not only lift some families out of poverty, but their additional earnings would contribute to the overall economy by raising demand and job growth as they spend more in their communities
http://www.igmchicago.org/igm-economic-experts-panel/poll-results?SurveyID=SV_br0IEq5a9E77NMV
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/five-myths-about-the-minimum-wage/2013/04/05/d89b5fa8-9c8f-11e2-9a79-eb5280c81c63_story.html
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childish rhetoric?
sheesh, like you said previously. I don't even know where to start with what you wrote
let's start with you not putting words in my mouth. Please show me where I said I'm for raising the minimum wage in ANY situation
would you really like to have in depth discussion on this issue
If so, let's start with your claim that raising the minimum wage results in job loss?
Your brought up that is was basic macro economics but actual economists (I assume you are not one) can't even agree if that's true in the real world
http://www.igmchicago.org/igm-economic-experts-panel/poll-results?SurveyID=SV_br0IEq5a9E77NMV
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/five-myths-about-the-minimum-wage/2013/04/05/d89b5fa8-9c8f-11e2-9a79-eb5280c81c63_story.html
Why do we not have a strong manufacturing base in this country? Why is labor outsourcing a common practice? What types of businesses do you think will be effected the most by increasing minimum wage?
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Although everyone I know who teaches introductory economics presents this model to students, few believe that it describes the real world. In fact, in a survey of 40 leading economists through the Initiative on Global Markets, a diverse group including both prominent liberals and conservatives, only about a third agreed that raising the minimum wage would make it harder for low-skilled workers to find employment. Because only about one in 10 thought the costs of hiring probably would be bigger than the benefits of higher wages for low-skilled workers, even that number overstates how concerned these economists are about the potential negative effects of raising the minimum wage.
and absolutely NOTHING in here about how concurrently raising taxes would affect this.
How are you going about freeing up capital for these businesses to increase their payroll expense? by raising taxes on these businesses? because that's what we're doing. is this addressed at all? I NEVER said we should NEVER raise minimum wage. I absolutely disagree that we should do it right now. why would we? put an extra burden on businesses after we raised taxes already?
this snippet of an article which talks about a snippet of a survey isn't addressing these very important points. you're completely ignoring them because you're too busy cheerleading. do you want me to start posting links where they quote bits and pieces of studies and ignore telling the reader all the assumptions that these assertions are based upon? i can do that too.
you're very typical. you're falling prey to "soundbyte journalism"............because you're fucking stupid.
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Although everyone I know who teaches introductory economics presents this model to students, few believe that it describes the real world. In fact, in a survey of 40 leading economists through the Initiative on Global Markets, a diverse group including both prominent liberals and conservatives, only about a third agreed that raising the minimum wage would make it harder for low-skilled workers to find employment. Because only about one in 10 thought the costs of hiring probably would be bigger than the benefits of higher wages for low-skilled workers, even that number overstates how concerned these economists are about the potential negative effects of raising the minimum wage.
and absolutely NOTHING in here about how concurrently raising taxes would affect this.
How are you going about freeing up capital for these businesses to increase their payroll expense? by raising taxes on these businesses? because that's what we're doing. is this addressed at all? I NEVER said we should NEVER raise minimum wage. I absolutely disagree that we should do it right now. why would we? put an extra burden on businesses after we raised taxes already?
this snippet of an article which talks about a snippet of a survey isn't addressing these very important points. you're completely ignoring them because you're too busy cheerleading. do you want me to start posting links where they quote bits and pieces of studies and ignore telling the reader all the assumptions that these assertions are based upon? i can do that too.
you're very typical. you're falling prey to "soundbyte journalism"............because you're fucking stupid.
do you see me calling you names in this thread or ranting and raving when challenged about something
if you want to act like a normal human being then we can have a conversation
if you can't do that then I'm not interested
your choice
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Why do we not have a strong manufacturing base in this country? Why is labor outsourcing a common practice? What types of businesses do you think will be effected the most by increasing minimum wage?
just remember this is the guy who thinks that Obama extended unemployment benefits because he's such a good guy.
he listed it as a reason why Democrats care about poor people and Republicans don't. oh yeah he conveniently left out the fact that GWB did the same exact thing back in 2008 either because he didn't know or because he was purposefully leaving it out because the facts didn't suit his argument.
he obviously doesn't care about actually doing some critical thinking on his own. he's too busy skimming articles and posting links.
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do you see me calling you names in this thread or ranting and raving when challenged about something
if you want to act like a normal human being then we can have a conversation
if you can't do that then I'm not interested
your choice
I guess you haven't. I apologize. i'm being a dick.
but dude I've been called a homo like 9 times in the past 4 hours. cut me some slack. only my wife gets to call me that when I refuse to take out the garbage.
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Why do we not have a strong manufacturing base in this country? Why is labor outsourcing a common practice? What types of businesses do you think will be effected the most by increasing minimum wage?
when did we start losing it and what caused it?
the minimum wage (in terms of buying power peaked in 1968) and has been going down ever since
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I guess you haven't. I apologize. i'm being a dick.
but dude I've been called a homo like 9 times in the past 4 hours. cut me some slack. only my wife gets to call me that when I refuse to take out the garbage.
fair enough
I only resort to the name calling an such when it's started by someone else but I'd alway prefer to avoid it and I try to have civil conversations with everyone else
Also, please stop making claim about what I said (putting words in my mouth)
I never said Obama extended unemployment benefits because he's such a good guy
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when did we start losing it and what caused it?
the minimum wage (in terms of buying power peaked in 1968) and has been going down ever since
Whats the justification for labor outsourcing? What business would be effected the most by a minimum wage increase? How will businesses make up for the increase in labor costs?
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fair enough
I only resort to the name calling an such when it's started by someone else but I'd alway prefer to avoid it and I try to have civil conversations with everyone else
Also, please stop making claim about what I said (putting words in my mouth)
I never said Obama extended unemployment benefits because he's such a good guy
eh but you kind of did.
Democrats care as little for poor and middle class whites as the Republicans do. Poor and middle class have two choices; support the political party that panders to them but doesnt care(republicans) or vote for the party that openly scorns them and passses legislation against their interests(democrats). Not much of a choice.
YOUR RESPONSE
that must be why Obama and some Dems are pushing for higher minimum wage
that must be why Dems kept pushing to extend unemployment benefit
that must be why Dems pushed to pass the ACA and expansion of Medicare
All legislation that goes against the interests of the poor and middle class
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eh but you kind of did.
Democrats care as little for poor and middle class whites as the Republicans do. Poor and middle class have two choices; support the political party that panders to them but doesnt care(republicans) or vote for the party that openly scorns them and passses legislation against their interests(democrats). Not much of a choice.
YOUR RESPONSE
that must be why Obama and some Dems are pushing for higher minimum wage
that must be why Dems kept pushing to extend unemployment benefit
that must be why Dems pushed to pass the ACA and expansion of Medicare
All legislation that goes against the interests of the poor and middle class
I don't see the quote where you claim I said "Obama extended unemployment benefits because he's such a good guy"
or even a close paraphrase
please learn to use the quote function
here is the post that you're referring to and my response
Democrats care as little for poor and middle class whites as the Republicans do. Poor and middle class have two choices; support the political party that panders to them but doesnt care(republicans) or vote for the party that openly scorns them and passses legislation against their interests(democrats). Not much of a choice.
that must be why Obama and some Dems are pushing for higher minimum wage
that must be why Dems kept pushing to extend unemployment benefit
that must be why Dems pushed to pass the ACA and expansion of Medicare
All legislation that goes against the interests of the poor and middle class
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I don't see the quote where you claim I said "Obama extended unemployment benefits because he's such a good guy"
or even a close paraphrase
please learn to use the quote function
here is the post that you're referring to and my response
in response to the statement that "Democrats care as little for poor and middle class whites as the Republicans do. "
you said "that must be why Dems kept pushing to extend unemployment benefit"
your claim is obviously that Obama extending unemployment benefits was evidence that Democrats DO care for poor and middle class.
and its a silly childish claim. Bush extended unemployment benefits too. so do you believe that he cared for the poor and middle class?
like I said before. the Bush administration couldn't create jobs, so they extended unemployment benefits. The Obama administration can't create jobs. that's why they extended unemployment benefits. your claim that unemployment benefits are extended because the administration cares about poor and middle class is quite simply ignorant. its simply a band aid solution for an administration that can't get shit done.
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in response to the statement that "Democrats care as little for poor and middle class whites as the Republicans do. "
you said "that must be why Dems kept pushing to extend unemployment benefit"
your claim is obviously that Obama extending unemployment benefits was evidence that Democrats DO care for poor and middle class.
and its a silly childish claim. Bush extended unemployment benefits too. so do you believe that he cared for the poor and middle class?
like I said before. the Bush administration couldn't create jobs, so they extended unemployment benefits. The Obama administration can't create jobs. that's why they extended unemployment benefits. your claim that unemployment benefits are extended because the administration cares about poor and middle class is quite simply ignorant. its simply a band aid solution for an administration that can't get shit done.
here is your claim of what I "think"
yet I've never said this or anything close to it
I've never said Obama did anything because he's "such a good guy"
If you don't understand that I never said what you've attributed to me then we're done talking
just remember this is the guy who thinks that Obama extended unemployment benefits because he's such a good guy.
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here is your claim of what I "think"
yet I've never said this or anything close to it
I've never said Obama did anything because he's "such a good guy"
If you don't understand that I never said what you've attributed to me then we're done talking
how is what you said not close to that?
your response to someone saying that democrats don't care about poor people was to comment on how Democrats extended unemployment benefits. of course at the time you were unaware that Bush did the same thing back in 2008 but you said it anyway. was it not? if not then explain what you meant by that post. I bet you won't.
you're obviously just backpedalling now and denying what you wrote using semantics as your excuse. because you know what you wrote was silly and ignorant. no one who read your post would believe that's not what you meant. and yeah we're done talking unless you explain what you meant by that post.
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how is what you said not close to that?
your response to someone saying that democrats don't care about poor people was to comment on how Democrats extended unemployment benefits. of course at the time you were unaware that Bush did the same thing back in 2008 but you said it anyway. was it not? if not then explain what you meant by that post. I bet you won't.
you're obviously just backpedalling now and denying what you wrote using semantics as your excuse. because you know what you wrote was silly and ignorant. no one who read your post would believe that's not what you meant. and yeah we're done talking unless you explain what you meant by that post.
caring about the poor or middle class is not the same thing as doing something because he is a "nice guy"
stop trying to take what I've said and then attribute your own meaning to it
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caring about the poor or middle class is not the same thing as doing something because he is a "nice guy"
stop trying to take what I've said and then attribute your own meaning to it
stop...... just stop. EVERYONE who read your post knew what you meant by it. and it was an ill conceived, ignorant statement. and now you're still backpedalling. keep looking back. you're going to knock over the furniture.
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stop...... just stop. EVERYONE who read your post knew what you meant by it. and it was an ill conceived, ignorant statement. and now you're still backpedalling. keep looking back. you're going to knock over the furniture.
dude - you didn't even know what I meant
you just made up your own meaning to what I wrote
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dude - you didn't even know what I meant
you just made up your own meaning to what I wrote
well are you going to tell us what you meant?
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well are you going to tell us what you meant?
already did
you're the one that decided to infuse my statements with your own meaning
go back and read my posts
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already did
you're the one that decided to infuse my statements with your own meaning
go back and read my posts
ARGHHHHH!
Doesn't that just make you want to reach out and slap someone?!
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SHE DIED OF REPUBLICAN POLITICS :(
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SHE DIED OF REPUBLICAN POLITICS :(
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I assume you'll ignore all of the horror stories that come out of Obamacare over the next 2 years and chalk it up to unfair journalism. right? remember that the overwhelming argument FOR Obamacare were the problems with private health insurance. buckle your seatbelt because the insurers from the exchange will face the same problems, budgets, and cash flow problems as the private insurers.
but i'm quite certain you won't want to hear it.
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I guess you haven't. I apologize. i'm being a dick.
but dude I've been called a homo like 9 times in the past 4 hours. cut me some slack. only my wife gets to call me that when I refuse to take out the garbage.
See even your wife knows you are gay Bear.
Its okay. You are too stupid to discuss politics but you are not to stupid to be gay.
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See even your wife knows you are gay Bear.
Its okay. You are too stupid to discuss politics but you are not to stupid to be gay.
LMFAO!!!!
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See even your wife knows you are gay Bear.
Its okay. You are too stupid to discuss politics but you are not to stupid to be gay.
says the guy with Barack Obama's balls in his mouth.
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says the guy with Barack Obama's balls in his mouth.
I'm pretty sure Chewbacca got that covered.
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I assume you'll ignore all of the horror stories that come out of Obamacare over the next 2 years and chalk it up to unfair journalism. right? remember that the overwhelming argument FOR Obamacare were the problems with private health insurance. buckle your seatbelt because the insurers from the exchange will face the same problems, budgets, and cash flow problems as the private insurers.
but i'm quite certain you won't want to hear it.
Yer losing it, mang.
Cuz are you really calling someone a hypocrite based on your predictions of his future actions in response to your prediction of some future problems?
Holy Minority Report, that seems like a reach.
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did you read my fucking post? like I said in my previous post, there can be advantages to raising minimum wage. did you read that?
now raising minimum wage can have a positive effect on the economy. that's true. but raising minimum wage in an economy while at the same time raising taxes in that same economy can have disastrous consequences. we are going through a period of increased taxes, federal, state, sales tax, etc. and you think this is a good time to raise minimum wage? dude go back to school. seriously. that can't possibly make sense to you.
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Wouldn't this depend on the level of the min wage and the level of taxation and not so much on whether those levels are going up, down or sideways?
Because, basically, you seem to be saying that simultaneously raising labor and tax costs will make profitability so unlikely that businesses will need to shut down but that seems to be an oversimplification if there's no reference to what those levels are.
I agree that if a business that uses a lot of min wage workers and is being efficiently managed in terms of manpower and barely profitable already, then that business is going to have a big problem with a min wage hike.
I'm wondering, though, what businesses are we talking about here? Landscaping, maybe? I'd honestly like to know more about this.
One thing seems curious to me: Some states have a special "tipped worker" minimum wage. States like NC pay waiters and other tipped workers only $2.13/hr.
But somehow prices at these restaurants is almost exactly the same as at restaurants in states like CA where there is no special shitty min wage for tipped workers. (I have personal knowledge of this because I recently moved from Raleigh, NC to SoCal.)
Why do you think that is? Are the CA restaurants just making less profit?
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Wouldn't this depend on the level of the min wage and the level of taxation and not so much on whether those levels are going up, down or sideways?
Because, basically, you seem to be saying that simultaneously raising labor and tax costs will make profitability so unlikely that businesses will need to shut down but that seems to be an oversimplification if there's no reference to what those levels are.
I agree that if a business that uses a lot of min wage workers and is being efficiently managed in terms of manpower and barely profitable already, then that business is going to have a big problem with a min wage hike.
I'm wondering, though, what businesses are we talking about here? Landscaping, maybe? I'd honestly like to know more about this.
One thing seems curious to me: Some states have a special "tipped worker" minimum wage. States like NC pay waiters and other tipped workers only $2.13/hr.
But somehow prices at these restaurants is almost exactly the same as at restaurants in states like CA where there is no special shitty min wage for tipped workers. (I have personal knowledge of this because I recently moved from Raleigh, NC to SoCal.)
Why do you think that is? Are the CA restaurants just making less profit?
ok first off you keep trying to discuss how this will benefit certain states and certain industries. DON'T.
this is a FEDERAL law. So it will effect all states. all businesses who pay minimum wage. So you can't make the argument that it will have limited effects on some states and not others, that it will have limited effects on some industries and not others. So you're helping one state or one industry to the detriment of another. We can't do that. It has to be an acceptable risk/reward for the majority of states and businesses before they pull the trigger.
Secondly, there's more to it than simply the effect it will have on the bottom line for the companies.
It is proven by these same economists that you're speaking of that raising minimum wage keeps people out of school longer and keeps them in the workforce making minimum wage longer. Hence, the rise in unemployment among minimum wage workers. There's now even more people seeking minimum wage employment.
I find it funny that you posted that I won't admit that raising the minimum wage can be beneficial. because I did say exactly that. Because it can, given the right economic environment. But in a period of high taxes, low growth, and a problem with unemployment as it is, this is not the time to raise minimum wage. I am not against it necessarily. But i'm very skeptical that it could work. raising minimum wage has the ability to hurt the poor just as much as it can help.
And that enrages the liberals on the board? Why? again, i'm not a cheerleader. i'm trying to use my head and not cheer for a political party. I think a lot of these guys have to put the pom poms down for a minute.
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It is proven by these same economists that you're speaking of that raising minimum wage keeps people out of school longer and keeps them in the workforce making minimum wage longer. Hence, the rise in unemployment among minimum wage workers. There's now even more people seeking minimum wage employment.
Errr, what? Can you please explain? (I'm not sure that you didn't mistype some that, actually; What does "making minimum wage longer" mean?)
I find it funny that you posted that I won't admit that raising the minimum wage can be beneficial. because I did say exactly that. Because it can, given the right economic environment. But in a period of high taxes, low growth, and a problem with unemployment as it is, this is not the time to raise minimum wage. I am not against it necessarily. But i'm very skeptical that it could work. raising minimum wage has the ability to hurt the poor just as much as it can help.
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I don't think you've ever said that respected and established economists think that raising the minimum wage NOW is a good idea. I could be wrong about that, though.
I've seen that in some of your posts you've said it can be beneficial but in those posts you always go on to say that since taxes have been raised recently it's a bad idea. (It'd be great if you could post links to some professionals who are saying the same thing, btw.)
In some of your other posts you don't mention at all that raising the minimum wage now has very qualified proponents and instead act like not raising it is a no-brainer. Worse, you act like libs are for the idea strictly because they want to "brag that they know how the hebrews feel the cold" (sorry, that's a Dead Kennedy's reference I couldn't resist) and ignore that they've seen articles that describe how, in the real world, raising the minimum wage has not had negative effects that you're talking about (and that seem reasonable -- Wages goes up, jobs go down DOES make sense, after all.)
Anyway, it seems like certain states are going to be raising the minimum wage on their own so we'll see what happens in those places.
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http://www.usnews.com/opinion/economic-intelligence/2014/05/01/a-minimum-wage-hike-would-hurt-young-workers-worse-than-cbo-estimated
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http://www.econlib.org/library/Columns/y2014/Murphyminimumwage.html
this is a good one. read the whole thing.
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Can't believe no one picked up on the redundancy in the title of this marvelous thread.
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Bears, you do realize that there is already a minimum wage in effect as I type, ...yet certain industries are allowed to pay their workers less? You do realize that don't you?
Can't believe no one picked up on the redundancy in the title of this marvelous thread.
;D
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Can't believe no one picked up on the redundancy in the title of this marvelous thread.
;D
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http://www.econlib.org/library/Columns/y2014/Murphyminimumwage.html
this is a good one. read the whole thing.
Read it and think it's fairly weak.
The author fretting about people other than teenagers going after their jobs if we raise the minimum wage seems a little late.
I don't frequent fast food places much these days but when I do I'm always sure to see the depressing sight of seniors and other adults working jobs that were pretty much the sole province of teens when I was young.
America's economic woes have apparently had something to do with that, I think.
I'm sure there are numerous online sources that describe the demographic makeup of min. wage earners today vs. those of, say, 15 years ago. I'll do a little research and be back.
When I get time, I'll try I guess I could try to see if I can find links to back this up
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Read it and think it's fairly weak.
The author fretting about people other than teenagers going after their jobs if we raise the minimum wage seems a little late.
I don't frequent fast food places much these days but when I do I'm always sure to see the depressing sight of seniors and other adults working jobs that were pretty much the sole province of teens when I was young.
America's economic woes have apparently had something to do with that, I think.
I'm sure there are numerous online sources that describe the demographic makeup of min. wage earners today vs. those of, say, 15 years ago. I'll do a little research and be back.
When I get time, I'll try I guess I could try to see if I can find links to back this up
I would be interested to hear the demographics too. he was saying pretty much what i said that the young would stay in the minimum wage workforce longer if the minimum wage goes up. this was in my econ class in my MST program. as minimum wage rises, so does the time these kids put off school and stay at the min wage job.
you have to understand that i get on my high horse when i read posts that insinuate that the democratic party pushes for minimum wage because they care about the lower income demographic. and the Republican party votes against it because they don't care about the lower income demographic. that kind of ignorant, "I only believe in the good guys and the bad guys" mentality pisses me off to no end.
its a vote getter. and it doesn't matter if it has negative effects on the economy because this is macroeconomics we're talking about here. You can spin it however you want. You can always find something else to attribute any failure to hit benchmarks or rise in unemployment. shit you've seen how both parties can fuck with and pick apart the unemployment rate. i mean what does that shit even mean anymore?
i just hate when people make it sound like such a black and white decision fought by the party who hates poor people vs. the party who loves poor people. its sounds astoundingly stupid. i know you don't look at it like that but there's plenty on here who do.
but there are a lot of economists who think this guy is wrong. there were a lot of economists who told us Obamacare will be an overwhelming success. We'll have to hold our breath and see.
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Errr, what? Can you please explain? (I'm not sure that you didn't mistype some that, actually; What does "making minimum wage longer" mean?)
it means that they stay in the minimum wage workforce longer as a result of raising minimum wage. kids put off school or go to school longer if they can get a better wage before or while they're in school so that they can more easily pay for school. these are facts I gathered from economists writing textbooks and research papers in my masters in tax program. i'm not pulling this out of my ass.
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Read it and think it's fairly weak.
The author fretting about people other than teenagers going after their jobs if we raise the minimum wage seems a little late.
I don't frequent fast food places much these days but when I do I'm always sure to see the depressing sight of seniors and other adults working jobs that were pretty much the sole province of teens when I was young.
America's economic woes have apparently had something to do with that, I think.
I'm sure there are numerous online sources that describe the demographic makeup of min. wage earners today vs. those of, say, 15 years ago. I'll do a little research and be back.
When I get time, I'll try I guess I could try to see if I can find links to back this up
all I see in the demographics is 16-19 and 20+. they don't seem to break it down any further than that. i'm assuming that's because most minimum wage workers are young kids, earning money for school. and a raise in that wage, like I said above would just increase the amount of those young kids seeking min wage jobs and increase the time they stayed at their minimum wage job.
again though. there are a lot of economists who think this guy is wrong and i'm full of shit. and there were a lot of economists who told us Obamacare will be an overwhelming success. We'll still have to wait and see.