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Good grief. :-[
Obama warns Coast Guard cadets global warming a national security ‘threat’
Published May 20, 2015
FoxNews.com
At a time when the U.S. military is facing threats on multiple fronts -- most immediately, the advances of the Islamic State in Syria and Iraq, where the terror group recently seized Ramadi -- President Obama told U.S. Coast Guard Academy graduates that climate change needs to be added to that list of threats.
"This is not just a problem for countries on the coast or for certain regions of the world. Climate change will impact every country on the planet. No nation is immune," the president said. "So I am here today to say that climate change constitutes a serious threat to global security, an immediate risk to our national security, and, make no mistake, it will impact how our military defends our country. And so we need to act -- and we need to act now."
The president delivered the message at the Coast Guard Academy in New London, Conn.
The president in recent months has pressed for action on global warming as a matter of health, as a matter of environmental protection and as a matter of international obligation.
He even couched it as a family matter, linking it to the worry he felt when one of his daughters had an asthma attack as a preschooler.
His speech to the cadets, by contrast, focused on what the Obama administration says are immediate risks to national security, including contributing to more natural disasters that result in humanitarian crises and potential new flows of refugees. Further, the president said he sees climate change aggravating poverty and social tensions that can fuel instability and foster terrorist activity and other violence.
Obama said the cadets would be part of the first generation of officers to begin their service in a world where it is increasingly clear that "climate change will shape how every one of our services plan, operate, train, equip and protect their infrastructure."
As for the impact in the U.S., Obama pointed to streets in Miami and Charleston, S.C., that flood at high tide and to military bases around the country already feeling negative effects.
"Around Norfolk, high tides and storms increasingly flood parts of our Navy base and an air base," Obama said of military facilities in Virginia. "In Alaska, thawing permafrost is damaging military facilities. Out West, deeper droughts and longer wildfires could threaten training areas our troops depend on."
With the Republican-led Congress resistant to Obama's push for more environmental regulation in response, the president has been using executive orders to cut greenhouse gas emissions and making the issue a theme of speeches. But his climate change agenda has drawn strong political opposition and a number of legal challenges. Many of the GOP presidential candidates for 2016 have said that taking unilateral steps to address climate change could hurt the U.S. economy.
Obama's appearance at the Coast Guard Academy was his second and last commencement address of the season after speaking earlier this month at a community college in South Dakota. The president traditionally delivers a commencement address every year to one of the service academies.
Later Wednesday, he was visiting Stamford, Conn., for a Democratic fundraiser at a private home, with about 30 supporters contributing up to $33,400 each.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/05/20/obama-to-warn-coast-guard-cadets-global-warming-national-security-threat/
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Good grief. :-[
Obama warns Coast Guard cadets global warming a national security ‘threat’
Published May 20, 2015
FoxNews.com
At a time when the U.S. military is facing threats on multiple fronts -- most immediately, the advances of the Islamic State in Syria and Iraq, where the terror group recently seized Ramadi -- President Obama told U.S. Coast Guard Academy graduates that climate change needs to be added to that list of threats.
"This is not just a problem for countries on the coast or for certain regions of the world. Climate change will impact every country on the planet. No nation is immune," the president said. "So I am here today to say that climate change constitutes a serious threat to global security, an immediate risk to our national security, and, make no mistake, it will impact how our military defends our country. And so we need to act -- and we need to act now."
The president delivered the message at the Coast Guard Academy in New London, Conn.
The president in recent months has pressed for action on global warming as a matter of health, as a matter of environmental protection and as a matter of international obligation.
He even couched it as a family matter, linking it to the worry he felt when one of his daughters had an asthma attack as a preschooler.
His speech to the cadets, by contrast, focused on what the Obama administration says are immediate risks to national security, including contributing to more natural disasters that result in humanitarian crises and potential new flows of refugees. Further, the president said he sees climate change aggravating poverty and social tensions that can fuel instability and foster terrorist activity and other violence.
Obama said the cadets would be part of the first generation of officers to begin their service in a world where it is increasingly clear that "climate change will shape how every one of our services plan, operate, train, equip and protect their infrastructure."
As for the impact in the U.S., Obama pointed to streets in Miami and Charleston, S.C., that flood at high tide and to military bases around the country already feeling negative effects.
"Around Norfolk, high tides and storms increasingly flood parts of our Navy base and an air base," Obama said of military facilities in Virginia. "In Alaska, thawing permafrost is damaging military facilities. Out West, deeper droughts and longer wildfires could threaten training areas our troops depend on."
With the Republican-led Congress resistant to Obama's push for more environmental regulation in response, the president has been using executive orders to cut greenhouse gas emissions and making the issue a theme of speeches. But his climate change agenda has drawn strong political opposition and a number of legal challenges. Many of the GOP presidential candidates for 2016 have said that taking unilateral steps to address climate change could hurt the U.S. economy.
Obama's appearance at the Coast Guard Academy was his second and last commencement address of the season after speaking earlier this month at a community college in South Dakota. The president traditionally delivers a commencement address every year to one of the service academies.
Later Wednesday, he was visiting Stamford, Conn., for a Democratic fundraiser at a private home, with about 30 supporters contributing up to $33,400 each.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/05/20/obama-to-warn-coast-guard-cadets-global-warming-national-security-threat/
This is common knowledge, worsening storms (more energy in the system), rising sea levels, increases in drought as we have seen etc etc.
Only a fool would suggest otherwise.
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This is common knowledge, worsening storms (more energy in the system), rising sea levels, increases in drought as we have seen etc etc.
Only a fool would suggest otherwise.
Only a fool would not only call this a national security threat, but mention it in the same context with ISIS. Embarrassing.
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Only a fool would not only call this a national security threat, but mention it in the same context with ISIS. Embarrassing.
So it is not a national security threat?
Think before you answer as the pentagon, military and many generals are all in agreement that this is a significant issue that can destabilize many regions.
I know you think the globe is cooling and 6000 years old but it's not.
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So it is not a national security threat?
Think before you answer as the pentagon, military and many generals are all in agreement that this is a significant issue that can destabilize many regions.
I know you think the globe is cooling and 6000 years old but it's not.
I know you think the globe is about to explode and is 1 trillion years old, but it's not.
No I don't think it's a national security threat. Did you read somewhere that the Pentagon, military, and many generals say that global warming is a threat to our national security? If so, can you link me?
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So it is not a national security threat?
Think before you answer as the pentagon, military and many generals are all in agreement that this is a significant issue that can destabilize many regions.
I know you think the globe is cooling and 6000 years old but it's not.
I dont think he understands the level of change in ice and water levels in the past 40 years. It's affecting a lot of areas.
I'm not saying man is causing it, even if brainless idiots like Newt, Gore or Palin believe it is. Nobody can prove that.
Although Coach did deliver one piece of evidence... the change in temp in the days after 911 when flights were grounded. Hearing that from a repub, well, that woke me up a little. I don't think you penalize businesses for it, but do you incentivize companies to develop better plane exchaust system? Sharter use of $ than sending it for ball washing programs.
In short, repubs have made a stronger case for global warming thn Gore every did. Coach, you did that bro.
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Only a fool would not only call this a national security threat, but mention it in the same context with ISIS. Embarrassing.
so now you're calling the US Military fools?
http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesconca/2014/11/14/does-our-military-know-something-we-dont-about-global-warming/
“The potential security ramifications of global climate change should be serving as catalysts for cooperation and change. Instead, climate change impacts are already accelerating instability in vulnerable areas of the world and are serving as catalysts for conflict.”
“The environmental consequences of climate change are a significant threat multiplier, which by itself, can be a cause for future conflicts. Global warming will affect military operations as well as its theaters of operations. And it poses significant risks and costs to military and civilian infrastructure, especially those facilities located on the coastline.”
“The countries and regions posing the greatest security threats to the United States are among those most susceptible to the adverse and destabilizing effects of climate change. Many of these countries are already unstable and have little economic or social capital for coping with additional disruptions.”
“Whether in Africa, the Middle East, South Asia, or North Korea, we are already seeing how extreme weather events – such as droughts and flooding and the food shortages and population dislocations that accompany them – can destabilize governments and lead to conflict. For example, one trigger of the chaos in Syria has been the multi-year drought the country has experienced since 2006 and the Assad Regime’s ineptitude in dealing with it.”
this info has been posted before on this board
yeah, no evidence of any global warming eh "coach"
I'm sure you're aware (of course you're not) that the US Military takes global warming very seriously
http://www.newsweek.com/pentagon-report-us-military-considers-climate-change-immediate-threat-could-foster-277155
A report released Monday indicates the Department of Defense has dramatically shifted its views towards climate change, and has already begun to treat the phenomenon as a significant threat to national security. Climate change, the Pentagon writes, requires immediate action on the part of the U.S. Military.
The report is a “roadmap” of the Department’s future needs and actions to effectively respond to climate change, including anticipating that climate change may require more frequent military intervention within the country to respond to natural disasters, as well as internationally to respond to “extremist ideologies” that may arise in regions where governments are destabilized due to climate-related stressors.
“The impacts of climate change may cause instability in other countries by impairing access to food and water, damaging infrastructure, spreading disease, uprooting and displacing large numbers of people, compelling mass migration, interrupting commercial activity, or restricting electricity availability,” the Pentagon writes. “These developments could undermine already-fragile governments that are unable to respond effectively or challenge currently-stable governments, as well as increasing competition and tension between countries vying for limited resources. These gaps in governance can create an avenue for extremist ideologies and conditions that foster terrorism.”
but fuck all that
much better to pretend you're having a personal relationship with a jewish zombie and at some point in the near future you're going to rise off the earth and shoot like an ICBM into the sky towards....who the fuck knows. Is heaven a coordinate somewhere out in space? .... or maybe you will just all land on the moon and settle in there and watch the firework show back on earth.
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I know you think the globe is about to explode and is 1 trillion years old, but it's not.
No I don't think it's a national security threat. Did you read somewhere that the Pentagon, military, and many generals say that global warming is a threat to our national security? If so, can you link me?
Beach my man, you are asking for a serious owning here.
I said the globe is cooling, which is reasonable and accurately reflects your position I think (you might say nothing is occurring as well). You on the other hand use hyperbole, as is par the course for you, and use exploding, then again with the trillion years old while i again used your actual position (6000 years). Your position is untenable when it's reciprocal is explode and trillions. That's a symptom of just how wrong you are, it's absurdly wrong.
See strawman did my work :D
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Beach my man, you are asking for a serious owning here.
I said the globe is cooling, which is reasonable and accurately reflects your position I think (you might say nothing is occurring as well). You on the other hand use hyperbole, as is par the course for you, and use exploding, then again with the trillion years old while i again used your actual position (6000 years). Your position is untenable when it's reciprocal is explode and trillions. That's a symptom of just how wrong you are, it's absurdly wrong.
See strawman did my work :D
Necrosis I used your actual position that the globe is going to explode and that the globe is 1 trillion years old.
I didn't read what the Village Idiot posted. I rarely do. :)
Did you read somewhere that the Pentagon, military, and many generals say that global warming is a threat to our national security? If so, can you link me?
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Necrosis I used your actual position that the globe is going to explode and that the globe is 1 trillion years old.
I didn't read what the Village Idiot posted. I rarely do. :)
Did you read somewhere that the Pentagon, military, and many generals say that global warming is a threat to our national security? If so, can you link me?
Lol at earth going to explode ;D
Those are not my positions, are you not a young earth creationist?
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/14/us/pentagon-says-global-warming-presents-immediate-security-threat.html
Are you also asking me for an article were the pentagon, military, generals are discussed in one article? I was suggesting that they all have stated it is an issue, a threat to national security.
so many generals have talked about it :-*
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Lol at earth going to explode ;D
Those are not my positions, are you not a young earth creationist?
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/14/us/pentagon-says-global-warming-presents-immediate-security-threat.html
Are you also asking me for an article were the pentagon, military, generals are discussed in one article? I was suggesting that they all have stated it is an issue, a threat to national security.
so many generals have talked about it :-*
Oh so now you are asking me about my position? After categorically telling me what my position is? I'll make a deal with you: you quote me talking about the earth being 6,000 years old and I'll quote you talking about the earth exploding and being 1 trillion years old. :)
Thanks for the link. Haven't read it before. Sounds pretty tenuous. Including this: “Climate change and water shortages may have triggered the drought that caused farmers to relocate to Syrian cities and triggered situations where youth were more susceptible to joining extremist groups,” said Marcus D. King, an expert on climate change and international affairs at George Washington University. The Islamic State, often referred to as ISIS, has seized scarce water resources to enhance its power and influence.
So, if global warming causes a water shortage, which then causes a farmer to relocate, a farmer's kid could possibly join ISIS, and ultimately carry out a terrorist attack in the U.S. Good grief. :-\
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Necrosis I used your actual position that the globe is going to explode and that the globe is 1 trillion years old.
I didn't read what the Village Idiot posted. I rarely do. :)
Did you read somewhere that the Pentagon, military, and many generals say that global warming is a threat to our national security? If so, can you link me?
Of course you (pretend that you) didn't read it
That's one of many ways that you remain totally ignorant
The main way you remain totally ignorant is getting your news from Faux New, WND and NewsMax
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Oh so now you are asking me about my position? After categorically telling me what my position is? I'll make a deal with you: you quote me talking about the earth being 6,000 years old and I'll quote you talking about the earth exploding and being 1 trillion years old. :)
Thanks for the link. Haven't read it before. Sounds pretty tenuous. Including this: “Climate change and water shortages may have triggered the drought that caused farmers to relocate to Syrian cities and triggered situations where youth were more susceptible to joining extremist groups,” said Marcus D. King, an expert on climate change and international affairs at George Washington University. The Islamic State, often referred to as ISIS, has seized scarce water resources to enhance its power and influence.
So, if global warming causes a water shortage, which then causes a farmer to relocate, a farmer's kid could possibly join ISIS, and ultimately carry out a terrorist attack in the U.S. Good grief. :-\
The implication is that shortages of resources and worsening already critical situations would in turn have significant economic consequences in already impoverished areas. We know low SES is related to crime and one of the primary drivers of conflict in these areas is surrounding resources. It isn't a leap in logic to suggest that something with significant impact on precipitating factors in terrorist, criminal, rebel formation/growth could in fact intensify security concerns.
My question was rhetorical in nature, I know you are a young earth creationist because you not only posted ben steins stupid movie but supported it throughout the thread. So, if I misinterpreted your clear religious leanings and support for creationist screed, I apologize, however, you are.
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Well this thread turned out to be an arrow in the knee.
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The implication is that shortages of resources and worsening already critical situations would in turn have significant economic consequences in already impoverished areas. We know low SES is related to crime and one of the primary drivers of conflict in these areas is surrounding resources. It isn't a leap in logic to suggest that something with significant impact on precipitating factors in terrorist, criminal, rebel formation/growth could in fact intensify security concerns.
My question was rhetorical in nature, I know you are a young earth creationist because you not only posted ben steins stupid movie but supported it throughout the thread. So, if I misinterpreted your clear religious leanings and support for creationist screed, I apologize, however, you are.
This is pretty ridiculous. It's something that should be discussed in a classroom or maybe a think tank, but not pushed by the president. It's little more than fearmongering at this point IMO.
You clearly don't know what the heck I am, so stop making a fool of yourself.
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Bum at the Beach
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This is pretty ridiculous. It's something that should be discussed in a classroom or maybe a think tank, but not pushed by the president. It's little more than fearmongering at this point IMO.
You clearly don't know what the heck I am, so stop making a fool of yourself.
It;s not fear mongering, it is something that is occurring right now, that will have massive impact on global water, food etc
It's called foresight.
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It;s not fear mongering, it is something that is occurring right now, that will have massive impact on global water, food etc
It's called foresight.
It's not occurring right now. It's a theory (global warming causing droughts causing migration causing young people in the ME to join ISIS who then attack Americans at some point in the future).
I'm all for planning for potential future problems, but I think this is more paranoia and political pandering more than foresight. I don't trust those folks.
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It's not occurring right now. It's a theory (global warming causing droughts causing migration causing young people in the ME to join ISIS who then attack Americans at some point in the future).
I'm all for planning for potential future problems, but I think this is more paranoia and political pandering more than foresight. I don't trust those folks.
If you can't see how something that can displace many people (particularly in coastal areas), reduce resources and cause increased storms/natural disasters, droughts etc could increase these issues then we just won't agree.
Nothing out of line was said, it's the prevailing opinion in the military, pentagon and around the world.
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i swear fox news viewers are the dumbest fuckers walking the earth :D
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i swear fox news viewers are the dumbest fuckers walking the earth :D
when you layer in the ones who also supplement their "knowledge" with World Net Daily and Newsmax you get a special kind of stupid like our willfully ignorant trollish moderator
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Of course you (pretend that you) didn't read it
That's one of many ways that you remain totally ignorant
The main way you remain totally ignorant is getting your news from Faux New, WND and NewsMax
Ignoring reality doesn't really change it. But pretending it doesn't exist helps him feel better about himself.
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This is common knowledge, worsening storms (more energy in the system), rising sea levels, increases in drought as we have seen etc etc.
Only a fool would suggest otherwise.
SMH...lmao.
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SMH...lmao.
You should have stayed on school Coach.
Your posts and overall ability to communicate is severely lacking.
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So it is not a national security threat?
Think before you answer as the pentagon, military and many generals are all in agreement that this is a significant issue that can destabilize many regions.
I know you think the globe is cooling and 6000 years old but it's not.
ISIS and Liberals are a National security threat not "climate change". Hope this helps.
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ISIS and Liberals are a National security threat not "climate change". Hope this helps.
So why do you think the military and pentagon say it is a national security threat?
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So why do you think the military and pentagon say it is a national security threat?
it appears the pentagon and state dept have been overrun with liberals, i suppose.
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So why do you think the military and pentagon say it is a national security threat?
my guess is they're not Fox news smart like some of the idiots on this site
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Joe answer the question, why do you disagree with both the military and pentagon regarding this issue?
Beach? anyone? why are you in disagreement?
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Joe answer the question, why do you disagree with both the military and pentagon regarding this issue?
Beach? anyone? why are you in disagreement?
they want to agree with obama on 100% of things, while supporting the military on 100% of things.
When obama and the military/pentagon agree on something, they skip that therre thread.
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So why do you think the military and pentagon say it is a national security threat?
I don't know if the "military" is saying it's a national security threat. There might be political appointees in the Pentagon saying it's a potential threat. And that's all it is, if anything, is a potential future threat, just like many other things, except based on a some pretty speculative circumstances that haven't happened.
To mention it in the same breath with ISIS, an existing global threat, is pretty silly.
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they want to DISagree with obama on 100% of things, while supporting the military on 100% of things.
When obama and the military/pentagon agree on something, they skip that therre thread.
I'm sure you meant to type disagree and of course you are correct.
They hate Obama so want to oppose anything he says but being the uninformed idiots that we know they to be they were unaware that the US Military takes climate change very seriously so ....rather than having to actually have a nuanced opinion on a subject they just disappear
I expect nothing less from Coach is basically a barely functional retard but for Bum this is just part of the willful ignorance that allows him to go through life assuming all his beliefs are fully supported by facts (as long as he ignores any facts that challenge his beliefs)
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I don't know if the "military" is saying it's a national security threat. There might be political appointees in the Pentagon saying it's a potential threat. And that's all it is, if anything, is a potential future threat, just like many other things, except based on a some pretty speculative circumstances that haven't happened.
To mention it in the same breath with ISIS, an existing global threat, is pretty silly.
LOL - definitely don't make any effort to find out
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If you guys haven't figured out yet that the pentagon, state department, military, etc are now heavily politicized, I don't know what else to say.
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i swear MSNBC news viewers are the dumbest fuckers walking the earth :D
Fixed!
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If you guys haven't figured out yet that the pentagon, state department, military, etc are now heavily politicized, I don't know what else to say.
Exactly. I don't think the "military" in general is politicized, but the political appointees definitely are.
I have a lot of rank and file military friends and not a single one of them has ever talked about global warming as some national security threat. The War on Terror is real. A global warming induced drought, causing migration, causing the child of a migrant to joint ISIS, who then attacks Americans, is not real. It is the kind of fear-mongering that originates with extremists like Obama and filters down from there.
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If you guys haven't figured out yet that the pentagon, state department, military, etc are now heavily politicized, I don't know what else to say.
so now the pentagon and the military are all carrying water for Obama
how do you explain that the military has been concerned about climate change long before anyone ever knew his name and before this even became a well know public issue?
http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesconca/2014/11/14/does-our-military-know-something-we-dont-about-global-warming/
Bum - don't click this link: http://www.cna.org/sites/default/files/MAB_2014.pdf (http://www.cna.org/sites/default/files/MAB_2014.pdf)
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Exactly. I don't think the "military" in general is politicized, but the political appointees definitely are.
I have a lot of rank and file military friends and not a single one of them has ever talked about global warming as some national security threat. The War on Terror is real. A global warming induced drought, causing migration, causing the child of a migrant to joint ISIS, who then attacks Americans, is not real. It is the kind of fear-mongering that originates with extremists like Obama and filters down from there.
and then you can just assume that these ongoing assessment by the military regarding climate change are done by "political appointees" and then you can keep pretending your beliefs are correct.
meanwhile the military has been making this assessment for many many years (long before it ever became a political issue)
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Fixed!
right behind fox viewers :D
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so now the pentagon and the military are all carrying water for Obama
how do you explain that the military has been concerned about climate change long before anyone ever knew his name and before this even became a well know public issue?
http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesconca/2014/11/14/does-our-military-know-something-we-dont-about-global-warming/
Bum - don't click this link: http://www.cna.org/sites/default/files/MAB_2014.pdf (http://www.cna.org/sites/default/files/MAB_2014.pdf)
It will be hard to convince me or any other reasonably intelligent person that the earth being a degree or fraction of a degree hotter in another million years or so is a bigger threat than terrorism and quite a few other pressing problems. The earth has long had droughts, famines, hurricanes, etc, etc. They didn't just start once we started pulling fossil fuels out of the ground.
It will be hard to convince us that it's all our fault, or that we can do anything about it. Especially when those who tell us this are flying around in private jets, owning fleets of limos and high-powered sports cars and luxury cars, living in mansions, using more than their share of conventional fuel and electricity, etc.
It's all a big front for carbon taxation and alt energy interests.
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right behind fox viewers :D
You're missing the "news"!
http://www.msnbc.com/politicsnation (http://www.msnbc.com/politicsnation)
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It will be hard to convince me or any other reasonably intelligent person that the planet that the earth being a degree or fraction of a degree hotter in another million years or so is a bigger threat than terrorism and quite a few other pressing problems. The earth has long had droughts, famines, hurricanes, etc, etc. They didn't just start once we started pulling fossil fuels out of the ground.
It will be hard to convince us that it's all our fault, or that we can do anything about it. Especially when those who tell us this are flying around in private jets, owning fleets of limos and high-powered sports cars and luxury cars, living in mansions, using more than their share of conventional fuel and electricity, etc.
no one is trying to convince you it's "bigger than terrorism"
that was the lie being floated by the right wing media
Neither Obama nor the military have ever said that
I thought we had established that already on this board but I guess not
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Exactly. I don't think the "military" in general is politicized, but the political appointees definitely are.
I have a lot of rank and file military friends and not a single one of them has ever talked about global warming as some national security threat. The War on Terror is real. A global warming induced drought, causing migration, causing the child of a migrant to joint ISIS, who then attacks Americans, is not real. It is the kind of fear-mongering that originates with extremists like Obama and filters down from there.
Yeah, the leaders are political appointees. And under this president they either tow the line or are out of a job.
It is frightening that anyone elected president of the US would be so irresponsible as to ignore daily security briefings and refuse to listen to good advice from high ranking military officials simply because they tell him what he doesn't want to hear.
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http://townhall.com/tipsheet/conncarroll/2015/02/10/untitled-n1955567 (http://townhall.com/tipsheet/conncarroll/2015/02/10/untitled-n1955567)
Asked to confirm Tuesday if this means Obama believes "the threat of climate change is greater than the threat of terrorism," Earnest responded, "The point the president is making is that there are many more people on an annual basis who have to confront the impact, the direct impact on their lives, of climate change, or on the spread of a disease, than on terrorism."
"Asked again, "So the answer is yes, the president thinks that climate change is a greater threat than terrorism," Earnest responded, "The point that the president is making is that when you are talking about the direct daily impact of these kinds of challenges on the daily lives of Americans, particularly Americans living in this country, that that direct impact, that more people are affected by those things than by terrorism."
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Yeah, the leaders are political appointees. And under this president they either tow the line or are out of a job.
It is frightening that anyone elected president of the US would be so irresponsible as to ignore daily security briefings and refuse to listen to good advice from high ranking military officials simply because they tell him what he doesn't want to hear.
here is a report by the Military Advisory Board of The Center for Naval Analysis
described by Forbes as "lead by Army General Paul Kern, the Military Advisory Board is a group of 16 retired flag-level officers from all branches of the Service.
This is not a group normally considered to be liberal activists and fear-mongers."
please identify the Obama military appointees and explain in detail (name the individuals) and how they are towing the line
http://www.cna.org/sites/default/files/MAB_2014.pdf
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here is a report by the Military Advisory Board of The Center for Naval Analysis
described by Forbes as
please identify the Obama military appointees and explain in detail (name the individuals) and how they are towing the line
http://www.cna.org/sites/default/files/MAB_2014.pdf
Yeah, hold your breath on me giving you an essay on military appointees for free on a message board - you must really be out of your goddamn mind. ::)
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http://townhall.com/tipsheet/conncarroll/2015/02/10/untitled-n1955567 (http://townhall.com/tipsheet/conncarroll/2015/02/10/untitled-n1955567)
Asked to confirm Tuesday if this means Obama believes "the threat of climate change is greater than the threat of terrorism," Earnest responded, "The point the president is making is that there are many more people on an annual basis who have to confront the impact, the direct impact on their lives, of climate change, or on the spread of a disease, than on terrorism."
"Asked again, "So the answer is yes, the president thinks that climate change is a greater threat than terrorism," Earnest responded, "The point that the president is making is that when you are talking about the direct daily impact of these kinds of challenges on the daily lives of Americans, particularly Americans living in this country, that that direct impact, that more people are affected by those things than by terrorism."
you left off this paragraph
Asked one more time if "climate change is more of a clear and present danger to the United States than terrorism," Earnest shifted gears, "Well I think even the Department of Defense has spoken to the significant the threat that climate change poses to our national security interests, principally because of the impact it can have on countries with less well developed infrastructure than we have."
Also, he didn't answer the question and neither the POTUS nor the military has said it's a greater threat
Certainly one can imagine a scenario where a terrorist group gets itd hands on a nuclear weapon and that would be a huge threat but let's look at the worst terrorist attack on this country in modern history. It basically killed arond 3,000 people. Driving without a seatbelt is a greater threat in terms of death toll.
Terrorism as a whole has been sold to the public in the US as a huge threat (anyone remember the color coded threat levels) and it's mostly bullshit which is not to say it's not a threat.
The problem in this country is that many people only see black and white and can't have a nuanced opinion on anything. Terrorism is a threat and so is climate change and so are a whole bunch of other things. I can give you scenarios where any number of things can be the greater relative threat
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Yeah, hold your breath on me giving you an essay on military appointees for free on a message board - you must really be out of your goddamn mind. ::)
no need for essay
just support the premise that you (or rather Bum) imagined
you've got a list of names on that report so you can start by identifying Obama's political appointees (assuming they even exist in that group)
how hard is that ?
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Yeah, I'll get right on that.
Tell me what we can do about climate change?
If those fat cats really believed that it would go away or be greatly reduced by cutting back or eliminating fossil fuels, they'd practice what they preach.
They don't believe it any more than they believe that the economy is a zero sum game.
They preach it because it feeds their own interests.
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Yeah, I'll get right on that.
Tell me what we can do about climate change?
If those fat cats really believed that it would go away or be greatly reduced by cutting back or eliminating fossil fuels, they'd practice what they preach.
They don't believe it any more than they believe that the economy is a zero sum game.
They preach it because it feeds their own interests.
ok - so you're not willing to make any effort to support your (Bums) premise so I toss it out as total bullshit
the first thing we can do about climate change is stop pretending it's not happening
what are the odds we can even do that given the comments on this thread?
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It will be hard to convince me or any other reasonably intelligent person that the earth being a degree or fraction of a degree hotter in another million years or so is a bigger threat than terrorism and quite a few other pressing problems. The earth has long had droughts, famines, hurricanes, etc, etc. They didn't just start once we started pulling fossil fuels out of the ground.
It will be hard to convince us that it's all our fault, or that we can do anything about it. Especially when those who tell us this are flying around in private jets, owning fleets of limos and high-powered sports cars and luxury cars, living in mansions, using more than their share of conventional fuel and electricity, etc.
It's all a big front for carbon taxation and alt energy interests.
You got the timeline wrong though, it's in the next 100 years, that isn't accounting for the permafrost melt that will accelerate that beyond belief. it's a couple degrees by the end of this century, recent reports were not good, we are on worst case scenario trajectory.
Just stating the facts will help, it's happening, we are driving it (carbon has never risen this sharply, ice cores, tree rings, oceanography confirm this). We are simultaneously increasing the source (fossil fuels) and reducing consumers of carbon (trees etc, massive deforestorization). It's a huge potential and current issue, then we find a solution. One that is sensible, logical and implemented in a controlled manner.
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Yeah, the leaders are political appointees. And under this president they either tow the line or are out of a job.
It is frightening that anyone elected president of the US would be so irresponsible as to ignore daily security briefings and refuse to listen to good advice from high ranking military officials simply because they tell him what he doesn't want to hear.
Completely agree. We are lucky he hasn't had to deal with bigger crises closer to home.
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Completely agree. We are lucky he hasn't had to deal with bigger crises closer to home.
Name the political appointees
http://www.cna.org/sites/default/files/MAB_2014.pdf
of course you won't even try because when you fail then it will that much harder to you to hold on to your imaginary premise
BTW - this board is still mostly a right echo chamber and most of the right wingers just fold or just disappear when challenged (not all but most)
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You're missing the "news"!
http://www.msnbc.com/politicsnation (http://www.msnbc.com/politicsnation)
you notice I'm not defending msnbc like you defend fox lol,not really too hard to see you get your daily news from fox lol
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lol.....
http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamestaylor/2015/05/19/updated-nasa-data-polar-ice-not-receding-after-all/
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lol.....
http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamestaylor/2015/05/19/updated-nasa-data-polar-ice-not-receding-after-all/
LOL - blogger for the Heartland Institute
Debunked already
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/energy-environment/wp/2015/05/27/climate-skeptics-think-you-shouldnt-worry-about-melting-polar-ice-heres-why-theyre-wrong/
http://www.atmos.illinois.edu/~wlchapma/Forbes.article.response.pdf
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LOL - blogger for the Heartland Institute
Debunked already
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/energy-environment/wp/2015/05/27/climate-skeptics-think-you-shouldnt-worry-about-melting-polar-ice-heres-why-theyre-wrong/
http://www.atmos.illinois.edu/~wlchapma/Forbes.article.response.pdf
Hahahahahaha...
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Hahahahahaha...
tell us precisely what parts of the rebuttal you're laughing at
are you aware that your "source"
The Heartland Institute is the primary American supporter of climate change denial.[2][3][4] It regularly rejects the scientific consensus that global warming poses a significant danger to the planet[5] and that human activity is driving it,[6] and claims that policies to fight it would be damaging to the economy.[7]
but please ignore that and just tell us what part of the two detailed rebuttals that you disagree with and why
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Coach proving his stupidity once again.
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tell us precisely what parts of the rebuttal you're laughing at
are you aware that your "source"
but please ignore that and just tell us what part of the two detailed rebuttals that you disagree with and why
Coach is a sad fuck, no point in arguing with him. Blame his parents for telling him he is smart enough to debate politics.
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Hahahahahaha...
There is only one truth.