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From The Huffington Post:
"Secretary of State Hillary Clinton regularly brushes off the idea of a 2016 presidential bid. But if she were to run, at least one prominent Republican thinks his party would be completely outmatched.
"The Republican party is incapable of competing at that level," Gingrich said during an appearance on NBC's "Meet The Press. "First of all, she's very formidable as a person," he said. "She's a very competent person. She's married to the most popular Democrat in the country; they both think would be good for her to be president. It makes it virtually impossible to stop her for the nomination."
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he's probably right. The only thing that could stop hilary would be age at this point.
She is like this unique 'perfect storm' of a politician that'll only happen once a century. Jeb is the ONLY one out there who would look like an equal next to her.
I can't see Rubio looking anything but childish next to her. Christie might do okay.
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he's probably right. The only thing that could stop hilary would be age at this point.
She is like this unique 'perfect storm' of a politician that'll only happen once a century. Jeb is the ONLY one out there who would look like an equal next to her.
I can't see Rubio looking anything but childish next to her. Christie might do okay.
Just shoot me now. Clinton / Bush again?
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Just shoot me now. Clinton / Bush again?
Jeb will beat any dem, probably. Cept hilar.
Hilary will beat any repub, probably. Cept Jeb.
They have decades of political experience and power. That means something.
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Jeb will beat any dem, probably. Cept hilar.
Hilary will beat any repub, probably. Cept Jeb.
They have decades of political experience and power. That means something.
Means bad news for this country
Fuck the bush / clinton mafia
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Means bad news for this country
Fuck the bush / clinton mafia
I agree with this.
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Means bad news for this country
Fuck the bush / clinton mafia
I dont know that I agree with you.
Would clinton have done a better job than Obama?
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I dont know that I agree with you.
Would clinton have done a better job than Obama?
How about someone new for fucks sake who is not part of the club?
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How about someone new for fucks sake who is not part of the club?
my point is that despite the whole political family dynasty thing. they ARE qualified.
hilary was probably the most qualified person in 2008 race. She will probably be the most qualified person in 2016 too.
Which repub is more qualified than Jeb? I can't think of any.
These 2 COMMAND the attention of the room when they speak. Two heavyweights. it's not just their names, it is the confidence and power they exude.
Either will dominate, and it'd be really close if they ran against each other.
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I like both Hillary and Jeb, I'd love to see those two campaign against eachother
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Chris Christie and rubio?
oops there goes hitlery
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From The Huffington Post:
"Secretary of State Hillary Clinton regularly brushes off the idea of a 2016 presidential bid. But if she were to run, at least one prominent Republican thinks his party would be completely outmatched.
"The Republican party is incapable of competing at that level," Gingrich said during an appearance on NBC's "Meet The Press. "First of all, she's very formidable as a person," he said. "She's a very competent person. She's married to the most popular Democrat in the country; they both think would be good for her to be president. It makes it virtually impossible to stop her for the nomination."
boom ba da boom
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From The Huffington Post:
"Secretary of State Hillary Clinton regularly brushes off the idea of a 2016 presidential bid. But if she were to run, at least one prominent Republican thinks his party would be completely outmatched.
"The Republican party is incapable of competing at that level," Gingrich said during an appearance on NBC's "Meet The Press. "First of all, she's very formidable as a person," he said. "She's a very competent person. She's married to the most popular Democrat in the country; they both think would be good for her to be president. It makes it virtually impossible to stop her for the nomination."
I agree.
I also would have preferred Hillary over 0bama in 2008, and much more now in 2012.
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Means bad news for this country
Fuck the bush / clinton mafia
You don't think what we have currently is worse news?
I hated Junior, but I would take him or Bill over 0.
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The GOP has never found a way to defeat a Clinton. In the future, that won't be changing either.
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From The Huffington Post:
"Secretary of State Hillary Clinton regularly brushes off the idea of a 2016 presidential bid. But if she were to run, at least one prominent Republican thinks his party would be completely outmatched.
"The Republican party is incapable of competing at that level," Gingrich said during an appearance on NBC's "Meet The Press. "First of all, she's very formidable as a person," he said. "She's a very competent person. She's married to the most popular Democrat in the country; they both think would be good for her to be president. It makes it virtually impossible to stop her for the nomination."
butt, boy howdy, it will be fun to watch....Mr. 999, Santorum { wash that off your hands immediately}
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"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including Al Qaeda members...
It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons. Should he succeed in that endeavor, he could alter the political and security landscape of the Middle East, which as we know all too well, effects American security.
This is a very difficult vote, this is probably the hardest decision I've ever had to make. Any vote that might lead to war should be hard, but I cast it with conviction."
she will help bring about world peace. she's not a war monger like that evil GWB.
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Just shoot me now. Clinton / Bush again?
you've got plenty of guns of feel free to do the job yourself
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he's probably right. The only thing that could stop hilary would be age at this point.
She is like this unique 'perfect storm' of a politician that'll only happen once a century. Jeb is the ONLY one out there who would look like an equal next to her.
I can't see Rubio looking anything but childish next to her. Christie might do okay.
Christie's great but as a Presidential candidate he would need to temper those off the cuff responses.
I always liked Newt's ideas and his books are a good read. If he just didn't have 10 million skeletons and problems following him around, lol...
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Why Hillary Clinton Would Be Strong in 2016 (It’s Not Her Favorability Ratings)
By NATE SILVER
Let's start by stating the obvious: Hillary Rodham Clinton would be a formidable presidential candidate in 2016.
Mrs. Clinton's credentials as secretary of state, as a United States senator and as a politically engaged first lady would be hard for any of her Democratic or Republican rivals to match. She would have little trouble raising funds or garnering support from the Democratic officials, and she might even come close to clearing the Democratic field of serious opposition.
Mrs. Clinton made some tactical errors during the 2008 campaign - particularly, in her staff's failure to understand the importance of contesting caucus states. But she improved considerably as a candidate over the course of the long primary, and the experience she gained would undoubtedly help her if she were to run again.
But if Mrs. Clinton runs for president in 2016, one thing is almost certain: she won't be as popular as she is right now. Recent polls show that about 65 percent of Americans take a favorable view of Mrs. Clinton, while only about 30 percent have a negative one. Those are remarkably high numbers for a politician in an era when many public officials are distrusted or disliked.
But part of the reason for Mrs. Clinton's high numbers is that, as secretary of state, she has remained largely above the partisan fray that characterizes elections and fights over domestic policy.
Over the course of her long career, the public's views of Mrs. Clinton have shifted along with her public role. When she has been actively engaged in the hand-to-hand combat that characterizes election campaigns and battles in Congress, her favorability ratings have taken a hit, only to recover later.
Mrs. Clinton might be the most polled about American in history, other than those who have actually become president. Between the PollingReport.com database and other publicly available polling archives, I was able to identify about 500 high-quality telephone surveys that tested her favorability ratings with the public.
In the chart below, I've taken a moving average of Mrs. Clinton's favorable and unfavorable ratings dating back to 1992. (The average is based on the 10 surveys that were conducted closest to the given date). The chart also highlights some of the most important moments of Mrs. Clinton's career.
Mrs. Clinton, like her husband, began the 1992 campaign as a relatively unknown figure, but grew more popular as the campaign wore on. By the time Bill Clinton was inaugurated in January, 1993, about 50 percent of Americans took a favorable view of Mrs. Clinton against 20 percent who had an unfavorable one.
But Mrs. Clinton took a far more active role in seeking to affect public policy than most first ladies. In September 1993, she appeared before Congressional committees in an effort to advance the health care bill that she and Mr. Clinton had helped to design. No longer subject to the deference that first ladies typically receive from politicians and from the news media - and associated with a health care bill that would soon die in Congress - Mrs. Clinton saw her unfavorable ratings rise sharply, increasing to about 35 percent.
Adding to the pressure was the Whitewater investigation. In April 1994, Mrs. Clinton gave an unusual news conference in an effort to respond to her critics. The next two years were among the most difficult periods in Mrs. Clinton's career, with her favorable ratings often barely exceeding her unfavorable ones. During stretches of early 1996, more Americans viewed Mrs. Clinton negatively than positively.
The release of the Senate Whitewater committee's report in June 1996, which largely lacked substantive proof of wrongdoing by Mr. or Mrs. Clinton, seemed to help relieve the strain on her popularity, with Mrs. Clinton's favorability ratings increasing, and her unfavorable ratings declining, throughout 1997.
Another set of accusations, which would become the Monica Lewinsky scandal, would work to Mrs. Clinton's benefit, with her favorability ratings reaching a new high of about 60 percent after the impeachment of Mr. Clinton by the House of Representatives.
But Mrs. Clinton's favorability ratings declined sharply in early 1999, after she declared her interest in running for the United States Senate, again making herself an explicitly political figure. After a brief "bounce"in her favorability ratings following her election to the Senate from New York in November 2000, Mrs. Clinton's image entered into a long period of relative stability, with her favorable ratings averaging just below 50 percent, and her unfavorable ratings just above 40 percent, for most of the next six years.
Mrs. Clinton's popularity would come under further pressure when she pursued her next ambition, announcing her candidacy for the presidency in January 2007. Over much of the next 18 months, as she came under increasing scrutiny from Barack Obama and other Democrats along with Republicans, her favorable and unfavorable ratings ran even with one another at about 45 percent.
Her favorable ratings would rebound in the late stages of the Democratic campaign, climbing to about 50 percent at about the time she withdrew from the race on June 7, 2008. They continued to move upward throughout the rest of 2008.
Then Mrs. Clinton received a further boost after accepting the job as Mr. Obama's secretary of state. Her favorability ratings have been stable - and strong - throughout most of Mr. Obama's first term, with 60 or 65 percent of Americans taking a favorable view of her against 30 percent who have a negative one.
What is the moral of the story - other than that Mrs. Clinton has had a remarkably interesting political career?
The theme is that a politician's favorability ratings are a function, to a large degree, of the extent to which the other political party, and perhaps also the news media, feels as though they have license to criticize her.
During her tenure as first lady, Mrs. Clinton's favorability ratings were lower when she was more actively engaged in policy making, as she was during the negotiations on the health care bill. And her popularity came under more strain during the Whitewater allegations, in which she was implicated, than during the ones involving Ms. Lewinsky and Mr. Clinton.
There was also less benefit of the doubt afforded to Mrs. Clinton after she became a candidate for public office, and then an influential Democratic figure in the Senate. And her popularity especially suffered during the early stages of presidential campaign, when she came under intense scrutiny not only from Republicans, but also from her fellow Democrats.
The surge in Mrs. Clinton's favorability ratings late in the 2008 campaign, although perhaps partly testifying to her steadily improving skills as a campaigner and to her new role as an underdog in the Democratic primary race, may also have reflected the fact that Republicans had less incentive to criticize her. Instead, they were trying to woo her supporters - or bolster her chances to prolong the Democratic nomination process.
Mrs. Clinton has been highly popular as secretary of state, but so were her predecessors during George W. Bush's administration, Colin L. Powell and (to a slightly lesser extent) Condoleezza Rice.
A secretary of state is not necessarily above partisan criticism, but attacking a secretary of state can potentially backfire on the opposition party. As Mitt Romney discovered during the presidential campaign foreign affairs can present an unlevel playing field to the opposition party. The White House and the Department of State have a number of defenses that they can employ to shield themselves from criticism, from claiming that they are protecting the national interest, to accusing their opponents of being unpatriotic, to arguing that their opponents lack knowledge of the situation on the ground. The secretary of state, like the president, also enjoys the symbolic trappings of incumbency when she conducts diplomatic affairs.
Were Mrs. Clinton to run for president again, she would lose most of these advantages. Republicans would begin to criticize her, delicately at first, and then more expressly as the election drew nearer.
None of this is to argue that Mrs. Clinton would not have some unique strengths as a candidate. For all the reasons I mentioned at the top, she seems like Democrats' best bet, perhaps by some margin, to extend their winning streak to three or more terms in the White House. If she ran even a point or two stronger than a "generic" Democrat, the odds would shift meaningfully in her favor, holding other circumstances equal.
But elections in which no incumbent is running are usually fairly close. And in an era of intense partisanship, there is a relatively low ceiling (and perhaps also a relatively high floor) on the favorability ratings that any politician can have in the most active stages of a presidential campaign.
Perhaps Mrs. Clinton's most impressive attribute is her ability to withstand criticism - and often emerge the stronger from it. If she runs for president again, she will surely receive plenty of it.
http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/12/11/why-hillary-clinton-would-be-strong-in-2016-its-not-her-favorability-ratings/?nl=todaysheadlines&emc=edit_th_20121212
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I think the #1 reason hilary wins in 2016.... It's the LAST time america gets that clinton legacy.
They have to simply say YES or NO to one last chance at the Clintons.
And I think 51% of americans say yes. I can't think of any GOp offerings that will be so amazing that people say "No thanks, Bill Clinton, we think this pipsqueak or the fat guy should get their chance first".
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I think the #1 reason hilary wins in 2016.... It's the LAST time america gets that clinton legacy.
They have to simply say YES or NO to one last chance at the Clintons.
And I think 51% of americans say yes. I can't think of any GOp offerings that will be so amazing that people say "No thanks, Bill Clinton, we think this pipsqueak or the fat guy should get their chance first".
You're probably right on this one. I can't think of anyone off the top of my head that would give Hillary a run for her money. She's a political monster.
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You're probably right on this one. I can't think of anyone off the top of my head that would give Hillary a run for her money. She's a political monster.
I dont think it has to do much with her positions either.
I think it'd be a simple UP-DOWN vote on "Do you want 4 last years of the Clintons?"
And I would be outright shocked to see 50.1% of americans vote against it.
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I dont think it has to do much with her positions either.
I think it'd be a simple UP-DOWN vote on "Do you want 4 last years of the Clintons?"
And I would be outright shocked to see 50.1% of americans vote against it.
Is she going to promise to hook up w a fat intern in the oval office
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Is she going to promise to hook up w a fat intern in the oval office
You know full well that menopausal women don't go for guys like that. That last blast of hornyness makes them pick the good looking stud to clean out the pipes.
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Just shoot me now. Clinton / Bush again?
Wow... we agree on something. What's... happening... the Mayans were right?!?! 2012 is the end! It must be true! ;D
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Wow... we agree on something. What's... happening... the Mayans were right?!?! 2012 is the end! It must be true! ;D
I detest the Bush clan. All of them. Next up "Jeb", then we get "George P. Bush", then after that we get who the fuck knows " . . . Bush".
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I detest the Bush clan. All of them. Next up "Jeb", then we get "George P. Bush", then after that we get who the fuck knows " . . . Bush".
Jeb or Hilary - who gets your vote?
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I detest the Bush clan. All of them. Next up "Jeb", then we get "George P. Bush", then after that we get who the fuck knows " . . . Bush".
Looks like everyone dislike the Bush's.
Bad news for Jeb?
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Looks like everyone dislike the Bush's.
Bad news for Jeb?
not at all. Repubs hated mitt too, and according to Rassmussen, he won in a serious landslide.
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not at all. Repubs hated mitt too, and according to Rassmussen, he won in a serious landslide.
Good one ;D ;D
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Jeb or Hilary - who gets your vote?
Staying home or write in.
No bushs no how no way!
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Staying home or write in.
No bushs no how no way!
A lot of people probably said that in 2011 and 2012 about mitt. Then they voted for him anyway.
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A lot of people probably said that in 2011 and 2012 about mitt. Then they voted for him anyway.
And he lost.
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And he lost.
good point. and he lost against probably the most beatable president since carter. probably MORE beatable than carter, given the information age... everyone knows what crap obama shoved down our throats.