no problem.
but yes, abiogenesis would have to come first.
Then how could evolution have occurred? Perhaps there is a new theory on this?
what i find astounding is that everything we have ever discovered has a natural process, a demonstrable process. So if god created the universe everything we know about it has a natural process, it is self sufficient. Thus, god intended this.
I agree!
if what some Christians believe is a hiccup and that abiogenesis never occurred, then why would god all of a sudden use a miracle in place of a natural process.
Well the way the Christians that I know, view this in a rational fashion. It may "appear" to be a miracle to us, but for God, it's not a miracle at all. A miracle, amazing to the eye of the beholder, is something beyond his ability to perform or even to understand fully, eh? It is also a powerful work, requiring greater power or knowledge than he (beholder)has. But from the viewpoint of the one who is the source of such power, it is not a miracle. He understands it and has the ability to do it. Thus, many acts that God performs are amazing to humans beholding them but are merely the exercise of His power. If a person believes in a deity, particularly in the God of creation, he cannot consistently deny God's power to accomplish things awe-inspiring to the eyes of men.
How, then, can anyone say that God violated His own laws in performing powerful works that seemed amazing and miraculous to men? Surely the Creator of the physical universe has perfect control of that which he created and can maneuver these things within the framework of the laws he has made inherent in them. (Job 38) He can bring about the condition necessary for the performance of these works; he can speed up, slow down, modify, or neutralize reactions. Or angels, with greater power than man, can do so in carrying out God's will.
Certainly the scientist is not superseding or going beyond physical laws when he applies more heat or cold, or more oxygen, and so forth, to speed up or slow down a chemical process, right? Nevertheless, skeptics challenge the Bible miracles, including the "miracle" of creation. These challengers are asserting, in effect, that they are familiar with all conditions and processes that ever took place. They are insisting that the operations of the Creator must be limited by the narrow confines of their understanding of the laws governing physical things.
This weakness on the part of scientists is acknowledged by a Swedish professor of plasma physics, who pointed out: "No one questions the obedience of the earth's atmosphere to the laws of mechanics and atomic physics. All the same, it may be extremely difficult for us to determine how these laws operate with respect to any given situation involving atmospheric phenomena." (Worlds-Antiworlds, by H. Alfven, 1966, p. 5) The professor applied this thought to the origin of the universe. God established the physical laws governing the earth, sun, and moon, and within their framework men have been able to do marvelous things. Surely God could bring the laws to play so as to produce a result unexpected by humans; it would present no problem for him to split the Red Sea so that "the waters were a wall" on each side. (Ex 14:22) Though, to man, walking on water is an astounding feat, with what ease it could be accomplished in the power of "the One who is stretching out the heavens just as a fine gauze, who spreads them out like a tent in which to dwell." Further, God is described as creating, and having control of, all the things in the heavens, and it is said that "due to the abundance of dynamic energy, he also being vigorous in power, not one of them is missing." (Isa 40:21, 22, 25, 26).
Since the acknowledgment of the existence of law, such as the law of gravity, presupposes a lawmaker of surpassing, superhuman intelligence and power, why question his ability to do marvelous things? Why try to limit his operation to the infinitesimally narrow scope of man’s knowledge and experience? The patriarch Job describes the darkness and foolishness into which God lets these go who thus pit their wisdom against his. (Job 12:16-25; compare Ro 1:18-23).
Based on probability and history it is reasonable to conclude that we will find a natural process for the origins of life. It makes no sense for god to use all these intricate natural phenomenon, then all of a sudden use a miracle to start it all.
See above.
Also, he waited billions of years for some reason to create the earth, then billions more to create man. Seems implausible no?
Well, I'm not sure on the billions, trillions, millions etc. From what I understand, these dating methods are not accurate. However, the Bible does support the order of creation as u mentioned. Now I'm not saying that these methods are astronomically off, just that from my research, they can be quiet skewed.
As far as implausible to create in the mentioned order/time frame, no it doesn't have any bearing on the validity/creditability of Creation. You've got me on this one. Why would you think this to be implausible?
what seperates people like you and people like me is that i will admit i do not have the answers. I could be wrong, in fact i would love for there to be a god. Honestly, an afterlife etc.. sounds great to me, knowing everything will be alright and someone is going to take care of me sounds grand. But i cant spend my life on delusion and want, especially if this is the only life i get. So if god wanted me to know about him he is doing a good job of hiding. Absolutely no evidence exists for his existence, and looking at creation i see beauty and awe, but i also see hatred, death, disease.
If God was real to you, you had no doubts about his existence, what is your view regarding Him using humans to bring about His message? Don't you think He would use us to do so? The Bible is loaded with this evidence you are looking for. Remember I ask you if you had genuinely studied it throughly? Try this first, then make your final decision. If you continue to listen just to people, you will always be tossed about, like a rowboat in the ocean during a tempest.
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