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take your pick of sources: LOP, Wrestling Observer, PWI Insider.....
Word has come out that CM Punk has left WWE, according to sources for the Wrestling Observer and PWInsider.
After being re-written out of the script for Raw, Punk reportedly told Vince McMahon he was going home and that he wasn't coming back. The company responded by pulling him from all of his scheduled WWE dates going forward.
Punk was scheduled to face Triple H at WrestleMania 30, but as we saw on Raw, early signs may have been shown that Triple H will be facing Daniel Bryan at Mania instead. No word if the match change is what caused Punk to leave, or if the match was changed because Punk left. ProWrestling.net reports that Bryan VS HHH is, indeed, the current plan for Mania.
In the past, Punk had been very vocal about "part-time" wrestlers returning to WWE and getting pushed ahead of guys who are there on a nightly basis, and that may be a reason for him being upset. PWInsider says that Punk's final goal for his time with WWE was to main event WrestleMania, and with his current contract expiring in July, and with it becoming more and more apparent that he would not be main eventing Mania this year, his failure to achieve that goal may be a driving force for his departure.
All signs indicate that this is not a work, but we'll pass on any more information as it comes in.
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I really like Punk but if things are not going his way he throws a fit. This just proves that. He had the longest title run in the moder era. What more does he want? But I do not agree with guys that have been gone leaving and then coming back to be out in top spots. That bring said, He'll be back. Austin did the same thing because he did want to job for Lesner. He came back.
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i watched a video last night about him stating he doesnt agree with names coming back for PT appearances and getting Mania spots etc, also discussing doing MMA. I can see where he is coming from in that he was #1 and WWE have basically pushed him out of the picture altogether, are Fandango, The Usos, Sin Cara (who is away to be replaced yet again) etc going to put more arses in seats than CM Punk?! Hell no.
Im hoping this turns out to be part of an angle that is brilliantly executed but its not looking that way just now.
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Sad that the workers have very little leverage with vince because of nowhere to go. Man I hate VKM.
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Sad that the workers have very little leverage with vince because of nowhere to go. Man I hate VKM.
Very true.
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Sad that the workers have very little leverage with vince because of nowhere to go. Man I hate VKM.
Punk will land in AJPW for sure and still collect a huge paycheck. Vince is stupid if he lets Punk go.
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His contract is up in a few months, he has been written out of everything apparently. Incidentally WWE's stock just dropped 2%, cant help but think the loss of one of their star attractions has somewhat contributed.
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Sad that the workers have very little leverage with vince because of nowhere to go. Man I hate VKM.
It works both ways. If there were several smaller regional promotions, the wrestlers would have more options, but no chance of the big, life changing score available because of the size of the WWE.
We tend to romanticize the territory days, but did anyone get rich back then, or did they grind out a living until their bodies gave out?
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It works both ways. If there were several smaller regional promotions, the wrestlers would have more options, but no chance of the big, life changing score available because of the size of the WWE.
We tend to romanticize the territory days, but did anyone get rich back then, or did they grind out a living until their bodies gave out?
There were far more guys able to make a living in rhose days. Now it just a very small few making much more. Not to mention the territories would have evolved. I think the territories being driven by live events and wrestlers getting a cut of the gate elevated the product and allowed for more guys to have legit runs. Not manufactured storylines driven by what a team of writers thinks will work. I will take the "organic" nature of the old product.
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We tend to romanticize the territory days, but did anyone get rich back then, or did they grind out a living until their bodies gave out?
Both. I believe Rick McGraw was earning about $5k/week in some Mexican promotion before he came up north to work in WWF. He's just one example, but I chose him because he was a bigger earner with a lesser name in a territory.
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Both. I believe Rick McGraw was earning about $5k/week in some Mexican promotion before he came up north to work in WWF. He's just one example, but I chose him because he was a bigger earner with a lesser name in a territory.
Baba was paying guys like Stan Hansen and Rick Martel 10,000 per week.
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Baba was paying guys like Stan Hansen and Rick Martel 10,000 per week.
Yeah, New Japan and All Japan were notoriously good paying promotions. A lot of those guys also received a signing bonus, too! I have no idea what it's like over there now.
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On the subject of Japan, KENTA has apparently been offered a contract with WWE. I dont expect him to make much of an impact unfortunately.
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It works both ways. If there were several smaller regional promotions, the wrestlers would have more options, but no chance of the big, life changing score available because of the size of the WWE.
We tend to romanticize the territory days, but did anyone get rich back then, or did they grind out a living until their bodies gave out?
karl kox is the real tie in to what really happened/happens his old stories are just awesome and he lived it through his family...
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It works both ways. If there were several smaller regional promotions, the wrestlers would have more options, but no chance of the big, life changing score available because of the size of the WWE.
We tend to romanticize the territory days, but did anyone get rich back then, or did they grind out a living until their bodies gave out?
karl kox is the real tie in to what really happened/happens his old stories are just awesome and he lived it through his family...
The territories were better for many reasons.
If a wrestler got stale he could move on and reinvent himself some place else. My dad used to work the same angle with a different face in each territory.
Yes we've all heard the stories of guys driving 400 miles for $25. But it wasn't like that for everyone.
After my dad died we found two of his record books where he kept track of pay, and expenses and schedule.
One from the 60's and one from the 70's. He was making damn good money. Working around 300 days a year.
The shows where they tapped TV the money was not so good. Promoters back then didn't pay a whole lot for TV tappings . One because they could only cram like 25-50 people in the TV studios and two the wrestlers pay was "him getting exposer" on TV.
There were times in tge 60's where he was making $300 a night. My buddies grandfather was a Dallas policeman at that time and that's what he made in in one month.
When he was working for Watts his schedule wasn't as heavy and he might make around $2000 a week. Bigger playoffs would come on shows like the superdome depending on the house.
Not to mention guys could go to Japan and Australlia. That's where bigger money would come in for my dad.
That's why he always kept a good relationship with Barnett.
Wrestlers back then ended up with nothing because they didn't know how to save or the business would ruin marriages and they would lose money on the devorce. My dad included.
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Nick Bockwinkle put it best when he said...you go to a territory...spend 8 weeks squashing guys on tv...face the world champion of that territory for weeks on house shows ending with a cage match...collect 200,000 grand in the process on gates and pay per appearances and u move on to the next territory to do it again with someone else.
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Nick Bockwinkle put it best when he said...you go to a territory...spend 8 weeks squashing guys on tv...face the world champion of that territory for weeks on house shows ending with a cage match...collect 200,000 grand in the process on gates and pay per appearances and u move on to the next territory to do it again with someone else.
TO CARL AND PLAYBOY NOT TO SINGLE OUT SEPERATLEY,YOUR BOTH SPOT ON...NOT TRYING TO GO ADNASEUM ABOUT GREAT YRS 70/80'S TERRITORIES BUT IT WAS GREAT AS YOU BOTH SAID TO KEEP IT FROM GETTING STALE,WWWF/WWF BOB BACKLUND WOULD HAVE ANY NUMBER OF GUYS COMING THROUGH SNUKA,HANSEN,STASIAK,MASKED SUPERSTAR,AND ALBANO/BLASSIE/GRAND WIZED WOULD GUIDE THEM THROUGH THAT WKS OR MONTHS PERIOD TO GET TO MAIN EVENT OR 2ND OR EVEN 3RD MATCH AT THE GARDEN THEN THEY LEAVE.GOOD STUFF.
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Great post, Karl.
There's an Austin podcast in which Jim Ross is the guest. Ross is of the opinion that McMahon didn't kill the territories as much as they killed themselves, by not changing with the times. It's a good listen, if you get a chance.
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Great post, Karl.
There's an Austin podcast in which Jim Ross is the guest. Ross is of the opinion that McMahon didn't kill the territories as much as they killed themselves, by not changing with the times. It's a good listen, if you get a chance.
Think I've heard it. I'll go back a check.
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The territories died because Vince raided there talent pools leaving them with nothing. Mind u..Vince had the vision and national exposure that the old school promoters lacked.
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I've mentioned here before that my opinion is that the territories were going to die with or without Vince. Prior to mainstream WWF, professional wrestling was headed the way of vaudeville. In one sense, Vince actually saved pro-wrestling from extinction.
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Karls post is spot on...I guess a part of me hopes/misses the different territories along withe the variety of talent with different skills.
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One a magician reveals how a trick is done, he can never again full people with that trick.
Smartening up the public is just one of the reasons we will never relive the old days.
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One a magician reveals how a trick is done, he can never again full people with that trick.
Smartening up the public is just one of the reasons we will never relive the old days.
I still say Vince put a serious dent in territorial wrestling. The flip side is you need to change with the timez. Crockett had the players and the money up to a point but no patience. Kip Frey, Don Watts, Fritz and Gagne ...if u had to deal with that bunch you had to set your watch to 1965.
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I still say Vince put a serious dent in territorial wrestling. The flip side is you need to change with the timez. Crockett had the players and the money up to a point but no patience. Kip Frey, Don Watts, Fritz and Gagne ...if u had to deal with that bunch you had to set your watch to 1965.
Yep. They were on the way out regardless.
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Yep. They were on the way out regardless.
I remember wat hing the Jake Roberts dvd when Jake said Don Watts gave him shit for wanting to take a snake to the ring...claiming "this isnt a circus."
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I remember wat hing the Jake Roberts dvd when Jake said Don Watts gave him shit for wanting to take a snake to the ring...claiming "this isnt a circus."
Bill Watts?
He was so stuck in his outdated ways...
He was good for WCW when they brought him in in the 90's, but he took things too far in his direction. It may have been nice had he simply provided some levity to the operations, but Watts should never have been given full reign.
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Bill Watts?
He was so stuck in his outdated ways...
He was good for WCW when they brought him in in the 90's, but he took things too far in his direction. It may have been nice had he simply provided some levity to the operations, but Watts should never have been given full reign.
He ripped up Jake Roberts' 1.5mill per year WCW contract up back in1992 and gave him 200,000 per year base salary.
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He ripped up Jake Roberts' 1.5mill per year WCW contract up back in1992 and gave him 200,000 per year base salary.
After a successful run in WWF...
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After a successful run in WWF...
Apparently Jake set up the deal with Kip Frey but Frey has released by WCW and Watts didn't get along with Jake.
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Bill Watts?
He was so stuck in his outdated ways...
He was good for WCW when they brought him in in the 90's, but he took things too far in his direction. It may have been nice had he simply provided some levity to the operations, but Watts should never have been given full reign.
Watts screwed over a lot of guys at that time.
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Apparently Jake set up the deal with Kip Frey but Frey has released by WCW and Watts didn't get along with Jake.
Was that because of Jakes old man?
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Was that because of Jakes old man?
I believe so
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I believe so
Hmm...
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Fyi...C.M Punk leaving WWE is not a work. He was reportedly upset with the way he was being booked and furthermore he was pissed because of the poor booking of his former ROH partner...Daniel Bryan. It got to a point where Vince himself is handling that situation and he scolded both Vince and Stephanie for letting it get out of hand. Both WM and elimination chamber ppv's had to be rewritten. Punk is well off and can make huge income in AJPW and anywhere else overseas. Hes pissed because of guys like Batista and Brock being brought back part time for big money while others like DB have been passed over.
Monte, that came straight from the source.
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Monte, that came straight from the source.
That's the best kind!!
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That's the best kind!!
Thats the hidden message in his infamous pipe bomb when he said hes the voice of the voiceless.
No one else has the balls to speak up and know one can say shit about his work rate. Hes worked through injuries and leads the roster with the most worked dates per year. I can understand Vinces worry.
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Theres alot of talk circulating in WWE that Alberto Del Rio is going to leave WWE once his contract expires due to being relegated from a Smackdown main eventer and world champion status to being someone used to give Batista momentum.
I dont blame the guy, i wouldnt want to be associated with anything WWE creative are putting out right now. He's just one of many that are being savaged by the lack of perspective being put on certain characters.
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Theres alot of talk circulating in WWE that Alberto Del Rio is going to leave WWE once his contract expires due to being relegated from a Smackdown main eventer and world champion status to being someone used to give Batista momentum.
I dont blame the guy, i wouldnt want to be associated with anything WWE creative are putting out right now. He's just one of many that are being savaged by the lack of perspective being put on certain characters.
Yes...hes been wanting to retire for some time now.
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Sad that the workers have very little leverage with vince because of nowhere to go. Man I hate VKM.
Seems to me that professional wrestlers need to start talking with "Actor's Equity."
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Seems to me that professional wrestlers need to start talking with "Actor's Equity."
They tried unionizing over 30 years ago, but those leading the charge were blackballed. Jesse Ventura and Roddy Piper are two of the best-known examples of that. The closest wrestlers have come to equality is having agents represent them the way that athletes and actors have agents.
Not surprisingly, Piper and Jesse were two of the first wrestlers to do this back in the late 80's. Jesse hooked up with Mike Braverman and Barry Bloom after he filmed Predator. Since then, many of the bigger industry names have gotten agent representation, with Bloom representing quite a few of them at one point.
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"Actor's Equity" is an existing union representing stage actors. Since professional wrestling is a stage show with performers on a stage, it would seem logical that they should represent the wrestlers. Rather than start a new union from scratch.
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"Actor's Equity" is an existing union representing stage actors. Since professional wrestling is a stage show with performers on a stage, it would seem logical that they should represent the wrestlers. Rather than start a new union from scratch.
Oh, I agree. However, promoters have historically frowned on the idea.
Pro-wrestlers are athletes and actors, and get the benefits of neither.
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Oh, I agree. However, promoters have historically frowned on the idea.
Pro-wrestlers are athletes and actors, and get the benefits of neither.
They also need to implement some kind of healthcare system.
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They also need to implement some kind of healthcare system.
The irony is that Vince used to take care of his top talent when it came to medical bills, even though they were the ones who could afford it. The mid-careers and below were screwed.
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You would think the WWE would take care of their talent more.
When that girl spends over $50,000,000.00 on a stupid
Campaign she had no chance of winning :-\
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Oh, I agree. However, promoters have historically frowned on the idea.
Pro-wrestlers are athletes and actors, and get the benefits of neither.
Every employer has frowned on the idea of unions. You have to get the political will of the country behind you to impose it on employers.
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So far he's been called out by Phil Baroni, Mayhem Miller & Tomy the Green Ranger. He could make decent coin fighting one of these bums in MMA. Not saying he would win, but theyre great choices for testing the water if hes serious.
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Bill Watts?
He was so stuck in his outdated ways...
He was good for WCW when they brought him in in the 90's, but he took things too far in his direction. It may have been nice had he simply provided some levity to the operations, but Watts should never have been given full reign.
Just watched the vid of the Rise and Fall of WCW and wrestlers talked about Watts bullying them. Ron Simmons said he would actually hit guys. WTF? He was a big guy but even I wouldnt have let him smack me.
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Just watched the vid of the Rise and Fall of WCW and wrestlers talked about Watts bullying them. Ron Simmons said he would actually hit guys. WTF? He was a big guy but even I wouldnt have let him smack me.
I would think twice (or even three or four times) before hitting Simmons. I've heard enough stories about him in real life altercations.
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I would think twice (or even three or four times) before hitting Simmons. I've heard enough stories about him in real life altercations.
Damn.
^^See what I did there^^ ;D
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Damn.
^^See what I did there^^ ;D
:D
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I would think twice (or even three or four times) before hitting Simmons. I've heard enough stories about him in real life altercations.
Let's hear one
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Let's hear one
This comes from Layfield:
He and Simmons were in a bar fight one night (I believe Bradshaw had some prick-like tendencies back in the day), when many of the patrons turned on them. I think Layfield was knocked down, Simmons stood in front of him and said, "The next white boy that moves is gonna get his ass kicked!" Bradshaw looked up and said, "But Ron, I'm white."
Vince was also known to use the APA as "enforcers" back in the day. One example is when Buff Bagwell was caught in a motel room with several underaged girls. Vince wanted him gone, and so put him in a match with Ron and Bradshaw. They both stiffed the shit out of Buff, who then left the company shortly thereafter. He took a series of potatoes, including some extremely stiff "Closthelines From Hell," which apparently got the message across.
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This comes from Layfield:
He and Simmons were in a bar fight one night (I believe Bradshaw had some prick-like tendencies back in the day), when many of the patrons turned on them. I think Layfield was knocked down, Simmons stood in front of him and said, "The next white boy that moves is gonna get his ass kicked!" Bradshaw looked up and said, "But Ron, I'm white."
Vince was also known to use the APA as "enforcers" back in the day. One example is when Buff Bagwell was caught in a motel room with several underaged girls. Vince wanted him gone, and so put him in a match with Ron and Bradshaw. They both stiffed the shit out of Buff, who then left the company shortly thereafter. He took a series of potatoes, including some extremely stiff "Closthelines From Hell," which apparently got the message across.
I thought buff was fired for a half assed match with Booker?
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I thought buff was fired for a half assed match with Booker?
Maybe that's the "public" explanation that was offered.
;)
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Would have loved to see APA vs LOD.......no rules..just go out and beat the f%^k out of each other..
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Maybe that's the "public" explanation that was offered.
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I see.
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This comes from Layfield:
He and Simmons were in a bar fight one night (I believe Bradshaw had some prick-like tendencies back in the day), when many of the patrons turned on them. I think Layfield was knocked down, Simmons stood in front of him and said, "The next white boy that moves is gonna get his ass kicked!" Bradshaw looked up and said, "But Ron, I'm white."
Vince was also known to use the APA as "enforcers" back in the day. One example is when Buff Bagwell was caught in a motel room with several underaged girls. Vince wanted him gone, and so put him in a match with Ron and Bradshaw. They both stiffed the shit out of Buff, who then left the company shortly thereafter. He took a series of potatoes, including some extremely stiff "Closthelines From Hell," which apparently got the message across.
I heard APA & taker were lockroom police..
I heard Kurt Angle and benoit were also tuff and would police the locker room..
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I also heard a interview where taker had to have a talk with Shawn Michael's. Because he
didn't want to job to a hot stone cold.. I think it might be in wrestlemania..
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I also heard a interview where taker had to have a talk with Shawn Michael's. Because he
didn't want to job to a hot stone cold.. I think it might be in wrestlemania..
Was WM14 when he lost to Austin. He was pilled up on pain killers and being his usual self centred jackass self. Undertaker was waiting for him in the locker room with his fists taped up.
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I heard APA & taker were lockroom police..
I heard Kurt Angle and benoit were also tuff and would police the locker room..
Supposedly, Benoit was one of the few guys who wasn't afraid of Scott Steiner, and also one of the few guys Scott didn't mess with backstage.
Interesting about Kurt; I'd never heard that before, but it wouldn't surprise me. There's a lot I haven't heard, and Kurt could probably clean up with just about anybody in the locker room.
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Couple of Benoit stories i love:
Vader gave him a wide berth in WCW because he was worried about his physical ability and knew he could hurt him in an altercation.
A new wrestler disrespected one of the senior guys in the locker room, Benoit stepped up to discipline him. He made the wrestler do 500 free squats - doing them simultaneously - and left him in tears.
He didnt need to get physical with guys back stage because everyone apparently knew what he could do to them. I will always be a Benoit fan and 100% respect what he was able to do in the ring.
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Couple of Benoit stories i love:
Vader gave him a wide berth in WCW because he was worried about his physical ability and knew he could hurt him in an altercation.
A new wrestler disrespected one of the senior guys in the locker room, Benoit stepped up to discipline him. He made the wrestler do 500 free squats - doing them simultaneously - and left him in tears.
He didnt need to get physical with guys back stage because everyone apparently knew what he could do to them. I will always be a Benoit fan and 100% respect what he was able to do in the ring.
I forget who the rookie was, but I do remember it was Shawn Michaels he disrespected. Benoit made him do 500 squats, and did them with him just to show that this is a "team effort."
Benoit's life had a horrible ending, but it in no way diminishes his professional accomplishments. O.J. Simpson is a piece of shit for what he did, but it doesn't change his pro football stats.
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I forget who the rookie was, but I do remember it was Shawn Michaels he disrespected. Benoit made him do 500 squats, and did them with him just to show that this is a "team effort."
Benoit's life had a horrible ending, but it in no way diminishes his professional accomplishments. O.J. Simpson is a piece of shit for what he did, but it doesn't change his pro football stats.
i have a co worker who killed himself and wife this past week and although he is a piece of garbage for what he did I for some reason keep trying to explain the same thing to people.
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i have a co worker who killed himself and wife this past week and although he is a piece of garbage for what he did I for some reason keep trying to explain the same thing to people.
Emotion often overrides practical and rational thinking abilities in many people.
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Not to mention that Benoit's brain was analyzed after his suicide and it was determined that he had the brain of an 85-year-old Alzheimer's patient. Too many shots to the head, apparently.
I'll never forget meeting him and getting his autograph at Gold's gym. Super nice guy.
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Not to mention that Benoit's brain was analyzed after his suicide and it was determined that he had the brain of an 85-year-old Alzheimer's patient. Too many shots to the head, apparently.
I've a very difficult time believing that claim. If accurate, then I would have expected him to have a lot more trouble performing mundane daily activities, much less highly complex physical maneuvering in a ring and following a mind-boggling travel schedule.
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I've a very difficult time believing that claim. If accurate, then I would have expected him to have a lot more trouble performing mundane daily activities, much less highly complex physical maneuvering in a ring and following a mind-boggling travel schedule.
Very good point !
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I've a very difficult time believing that claim. If accurate, then I would have expected him to have a lot more trouble performing mundane daily activities, much less highly complex physical maneuvering in a ring and following a mind-boggling travel schedule.
Be that as it may, what other motive is there as to why he deiced to kill his own family and himself? Dementia? No alcohol, I don't think. I think the autopsy report showed a mixture of pain killers, elevated testosterone levels, and some steroids.
Not trying to hijack the thread with Chris Benoit but obviously the guy wasn't right in the head. Guy had some sort of brain trauma for doing what he did.
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Be that as it may, what other motive is there as to why he deiced to kill his own family and himself? Dementia? No alcohol, I don't think. I think the autopsy report showed a mixture of pain killers, elevated testosterone levels, and some steroids.
Not trying to hijack the thread with Chris Benoit but obviously the guy wasn't right in the head. Guy had some sort of brain trauma for doing what he did.
There is a reason, but I don't think the Alzheimer's comparison is it.
Additionally, I don't think it was limited to one motive; I suspect there were multiple issues at play there.
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I've a very difficult time believing that claim. If accurate, then I would have expected him to have a lot more trouble performing mundane daily activities, much less highly complex physical maneuvering in a ring and following a mind-boggling travel schedule.
you're right bud, surely it would have effected his daily functions and his ring performances would have been very badly effected.
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Listen to Jericho's podcast with Chavo, some very interesting Benoit stories, talks about text's going back and forth from Chavo/Chris the weekend of the tragedy...
Back to this thread.....raw in Chicago 2 nights ago..Punk not there...I think it is obvious, Punk ain't coming back for WM
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Listen to Jericho's podcast with Chavo, some very interesting Benoit stories, talks about text's going back and forth from Chavo/Chris the weekend of the tragedy...
Back to this thread.....raw in Chicago 2 nights ago..Punk not there...I think it is obvious, Punk ain't coming back for WM
I agree.
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There is a reason, but I don't think the Alzheimer's comparison is it.
Additionally, I don't think it was limited to one motive; I suspect there were multiple issues at play there.
The reason is simple but everyone is in denial. Hes a murderer. People kill everyday but that doesn't mean that these people are suffering from dimentia. But because its Benoit and "hes such a nice guy and hes quiet" everyone's making excuses.
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The reason is simple but everyone is in denial. Hes a murderer. People kill everyday but that doesn't mean that these people are suffering from dimentia. But because its Benoit and "hes such a nice guy and hes quiet" everyone's making excuses.
Yep. You don't need Alzheimer's to snap.
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Yep. You don't need Alzheimer's to snap.
Love that avatar:) Your next one should be him spit/swatting the gum.
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Love that avatar:) Your next one should be him spit/swatting the gum.
I agree
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Love that avatar:) Your next one should be him spit/swatting the gum.
I've only found one like that so far, but it sucks - very choppy.
If I knew how, I'd take the time to make a "perfect" one.