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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Nutrition, Products & Supplements Info => Topic started by: The Jackel on September 13, 2004, 09:30:08 AM
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Non-recommended Supplements
Cell Tech (over priced)
Muscle Tech (over priced)
HMB
Carb Blockers
Myostatin Inhibitors
NO2 (just get some L-arginine)
Some Thermogenics
Andro Poppers
Most Protein bars
Fizgen ON Cycle HC
1-TU
Z-test
Boldione
Good Supplements
L-arginine
1AD
M1T
Nitrix
Glutamine
BCAA's
Nlarge II
Thanks to Squats Rule for the idea and for all those others who put in. Also if you see something here you disagree with or know of any other supplements you have tried that are useless or way to expensive for what you get please post. Also add supplements that you have had good results form.
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Non-recommended Supplements
Cell Tech
Muscle Tech
HMB
Carb Blockers
Myostatin Inhibitors
NO2
Some Thermogenics
Andro Poppers
Most Protein bars
Fizgen ON Cycle HC
1-TU
Z-test
Good Supplements
L-arginine
1AD
M1T
Nitrix
Thanks to Squats Rule for the idea and for all those others who put in. Also if you see something here you disagree with or know of any other supplements you have tried that are useless or way to expensive for what you get please post. Also add supplements that you have had good results form.
I agree with pretty much everything you categorized, although you should've just saved some time by saying that all MuscleTech products are worthless. In terms of the worthwhile products, I'd add Cytodyne (the supplement itself, not the company), Boldione, and N-Large.
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I disagree with NO2 (MRI's NO2 anyways) not working. I've used it in the past and had great results (although it is very over priced).
Nox3 on the otherhand didn't do anything for me.
My 2 cents...
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I have actually had very good results with 1TU. However, I have never tried M1T or 1AD so I have no basis for comparison.
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Don't forget Glutamine and BCAA's...they are good supps.
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I use primarily LA Muscle supps and their Norateen Range and Testosterone Booster ZMAX are awesome. I have seen a 26lb fat loss and 10lb weight loss in 3 months.
Also, their Protein is the most pure whey I have found.
Check them out on www.lamuscle.com
However, I am sceptical of fat burners as I reckon it is the cadrio you do that burns the fat!! :-*
Kind regards
Ben
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i just got finished with my bottle of nitro-tech. i gotta say i results for awhile and after awhile i did see any or much. i would assume nitro-tech would be under the muscle-tech products. also im in the market into looking for something new to use. my goal in weight lifting is to increase my musle volume. i read some of the articles that you guys have on this site but i lack the knowledge of which protein supplement to take to increase the protein in my body. a good friend of mine has suggested for me to take musle milk, what do you guys think of that?
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Non-recommended Supplements
Cell Tech
Muscle Tech
HMB
Carb Blockers
Myostatin Inhibitors
NO2
Some Thermogenics
Andro Poppers
Most Protein bars
Fizgen ON Cycle HC
1-TU
Z-test
Boldione
Good Supplements
L-arginine
1AD
M1T
Nitrix
Glutamine
BCAA's
Thanks to Squats Rule for the idea and for all those others who put in. Also if you see something here you disagree with or know of any other supplements you have tried that are useless or way to expensive for what you get please post. Also add supplements that you have had good results form.
Hmmm...I haven't tried a lot of these supplements. So, I can't comment on them.
Unlike President Purge, I would take the Muscletech supplements off the "Non-Recommended" list. I've used some of their products and they've worked for me. Most of that was from the late 90s, the products in particular that I've used are: Acetabolan, Creatine 6000-ES, and Nortesten.
Those are the supplements of MuscleTech I've used the most. I've dabbled a bit with Anotesten, CELL-TECH, and have tried the occasional NITRO-TECH RTD.
Other good supplements I've used over the years include: N-Large2, Mega Mass 2000, Massive Whey Gainer, SuperHeavyweight Gainer 1200, and Phosphagen HP.
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I agree that Muscle Tech supps are good quality, just way over priced.
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I agree that Muscle Tech supps are good quality, just way over priced.
I wouldn't say good quality. I'd say average quality with a huge advertising budget. I think the main reason that they are on the "bad" list is because thet are overpriced & overhyped. There are o many other supplements that will give you the same results for half the cost. I just had the get that off my chest.
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Hmmm...I haven't tried a lot of these supplements. So, I can't comment on them.
Unlike President Purge, I would take the Muscletech supplements off the "Non-Recommended" list. I've used some of their products and they've worked for me. Most of that was from the late 90s, the products in particular that I've used are: Acetabolan, Creatine 6000-ES, and Nortesten.
Those are the supplements of MuscleTech I've used the most. I've dabbled a bit with Anotesten, CELL-TECH, and have tried the occasional NITRO-TECH RTD.
Other good supplements I've used over the years include: N-Large2, Mega Mass 2000, Massive Whey Gainer, SuperHeavyweight Gainer 1200, and Phosphagen HP.
Hey McWay, being the President of my highly-esteemed faction, I thought I'd share this article with you. I'll post in on the Gossip section too, because this is some funny shit.
http://www.t-nation.com/findArticle.do?article=297tc2 (http://www.t-nation.com/findArticle.do?article=297tc2) :D
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dont forgot Tribulus
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on the don't list I'd put any methoxy products and why use crap like kava or valerian when you can pop a real benzo without all the impurities in it and it does a better job?
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If our bodies were designed for taking supplements we wouldnt have fruits vegetables and animals full of all the vitamins and minerals our bodies need to live normal lives. If someones has a diffeciancy and his doc says you need extra this or that in your diet then I understand the need for supplements or medecine. Otherwise if you are healthy why take a chance and f**k with mother nature.
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That is partly true, but because of the way animals are raised, crops are grown, we have depleted some of the "natural goodness" in our foods. And along with cooking which can deplete even more. Eating pasture raised, species appropriate fed animals, along with organic fruits and vegetables can be expensive and hard to find.
So some supplements are fine and may be good to take.
Do you have any pets? By your statements I will take it you are a fellow raw feeder if you do?
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Flower is right
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"because of the way animals are raised, crops are grown, we have depleted some of the "natural goodness" in our foods. And along with cooking which can deplete even more. "
Ok I'll tell you what. You live on multivitamins and other pills and powders you enjoy ingesting for a year and I will live on fruits veggies and meats for a year and after lets see who has better health. fair enough
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How did we get to "living on multivitamins and supps"?
They are called supplements for a reason. To supplement your diet. Sometimes it is hard to get everything you need in adequate amounts from food. You may have to eat alot more food than you can. So why not take a multivitamin then? What about women who need more calcium? I don't want to drink all that milk, dairy bothers my stomach if I have too much, so I should just suffer instead of taking calcium?
The goal should be to get what you need from real food I agree, but to put all supplements in one category is going to an extreme.
My daily sups are a multivitamin and fish or flax oil, and calcium. Those are the basics that I think I need. I don't think I am being supplement happy with those or relying on them instead of food.
and you never answered my pet question?
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Like I said if your defficient in certain minerals like calcium and you are lactose intolerant of course I agree in taking calcium in pill form. under Doctor supervision. Iam reffering more to people who replace meals with pills or take all this stuff like glutamin and glucosamin and creatineand growth hormone thinking it will help build muscles faster. You know all the crap you read about in muscle magazines. Did these companies do extensive research before putting them to market. Don't be so naive if you believe its safe just because it sold over the counter or a shmuck in a magazine says it helped him put on 25 pounds of mass. Thats pure horseshit!!!!!
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Iam reffering more to people who replace meals with pills or take all this stuff like glutamin and glucosamin and creatineand growth hormone thinking it will help build muscles faster.
Iam not saying its good to replace solid meals with pills, but some of these supplements DO help to build muscle. If you think otherwise, try telling that to my brother who gained 15 pounds of solid muscle on creatine in two weeks.
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Get real man. What he gained was 15 pounds of mostly water and some muscle and fat.
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Get real man. What he gained was 15 pounds of mostly water and some muscle and fat.
Don't even try to give me that bullsh*t. He never lost what he gained from creatine, and he's been off of creatine for close to a year now. If it was water, he would have lost it when he went off, and it certainly wasn't fat, because his bodyfat reading's didn't go up any after he used creatine.
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Dude Im reffering to the water gain in muscle tissue at the cellular level. And anyone who used creatine only gets those gains when they first start using it After that its a pure waste of money.
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Where would ZMA be?
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Flower is correct.
Many supplements are essentially worthless, that is true Shakh. On the other hand, some supplements are quite effective.
Now, your argument about God providing for everything we need in foods is also somewhat correct. The problem is that most of the foods we eat today have been stripped of their vitamin and mineral content and therefore robbed of their nutritional value.
In addition, God gave mankind the ability to think and to be creative. That great gift provides man the ability to do both constructive and destructive things with his mind. Products such as effective supplements fall into the constructive side of things in my mind.
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what is Arginine good for? ???
to get a boner? ???
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Jackel ....
Why do you list Boldione as a worthless supplement?
For my first ProHormone cycle I stayed on the softer side, to get my body used to them, and stacked 1-Test with Boldione (1, 4AD) with good results. In addition, the reason I used Boldione was at the request of GiJoe, who as you know has quite a bit of experience with ProHormones and mentioned to me he had great results as well from it.
Just curious ....
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I personally do not have any experience with Boldione. I have just taken the word of other members that it was an ineffective supp, so I listed it and no one rebutted it until now. Anyone else on there experience with Boldione.
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Non-recommended Supplements
Cell Tech (over priced)
Muscle Tech (over priced)
HMB
Carb Blockers
Myostatin Inhibitors
NO2
Some Thermogenics
Andro Poppers
Most Protein bars
Fizgen ON Cycle HC
1-TU
Z-test
Boldione
Good Supplements
L-arginine
1AD
M1T
Nitrix
Glutamine
BCAA's
Nlarge II
Thanks to Squats Rule for the idea and for all those others who put in. Also if you see something here you disagree with or know of any other supplements you have tried that are useless or way to expensive for what you get please post. Also add supplements that you have had good results form.
I dont want to sound funny but 1TU worked wonders for me, also cell tech even overpriced worked for me at half the recommended dose!!! with only 3 days loading !!! but I agree with the rest
also I like to use after max optimal nutrition
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I personally do not have any experience with Boldione. I have just taken the word of other members that it was an ineffective supp, so I listed it and no one rebutted it until now. Anyone else on there experience with Boldione.
I vehemently disgaree with that. Boldione is one of my favorite supplements.
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I vehemently disgaree with that. Boldione is one of my favorite supplements.
Then, you're in luck, President Purge. Word has it that MuscleTech will be releasing its own Boldione supplement, called BOLDI-TECH. So you know it will work at least 1800% better than regular Boldione.
;D
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Hey Guys , have some newbie questions here
I was wondering why NO2 and protein bars were on the list , must admit that I don't know MO2 not that good but never heard anything negative either.
As for the proteine bars , they might not be as good as some natural protein ( tuna , chicken) and also as the Proteine pouders but for me it is damn handy to take it to my gym and have one directly after my work out since i do not wish to have a blender , botle of milk and a box of protein pouder with me ??
ciao
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LOL! Wasn't it 2400%?
That's the "new and improved" BOLDI-TECH which will come out in about two years!!
;D
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Hey Guys , have some newbie questions here
I was wondering why NO2 and protein bars were on the list , must admit that I don't know MO2 not that good but never heard anything negative either.
As for the proteine bars , they might not be as good as some natural protein ( tuna , chicken) and also as the Proteine pouders but for me it is damn handy to take it to my gym and have one directly after my work out since i do not wish to have a blender , botle of milk and a box of protein pouder with me ??
ciao
I didn't notice that (too busy informing President Purge about BOLDI-TECH). Protein bars are far from worthless to me. In fact, I just bought another box of them. My favorite is Bio-Protein by MLO. They taste great and they are cheap. Where I buy them, they're a mere $0.75 each, as compared to Myoplex bars which are $1.90. Bio-Protein bars have 21 grams of protein each, not bad considering the Myolplex ones cost over twice as much yet have a mere three extra grams of protein.
In fact, one way to get a quick protein meal is to eat a Bio-Protein bar with a glass of milk (especially if you try the Honey Peanut Yogurt ones; they're yummy but dry your throat quickly).
As for your NO2 question, I honestly don't know how good it is, as I've haven't really used it. The only time I've tried this supplement is when I've done so indirectly via NITRO-TECH. However, I may be able to give you an assessment in a few weeks. I just bought some NITRO-TECH, but I only plan to use one serving per day, until the next payday or two when I can buy the bigger size container.
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Thanks MC , I'm glad you mentioned the number of grams protein per bar because I'm buying bars from Real Protein ( Nature's best) and the contain also 21 grams which i thought was very minimalistic if i compared them with the other brands I found via www.bodybuilding.com.
I must say mine are very expensive , about 3 euro per piece
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you said NO2 was a worthless supplement and L-arginine was a good one but isnt L-arginine the main ingridient in NO2
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Thanks MC , I'm glad you mentioned the number of grams protein per bar because I'm buying bars from Real Protein ( Nature's best) and the contain also 21 grams which i thought was very minimalistic if i compared them with the other brands I found via www.bodybuilding.com.
I must say mine are very expensive , about 3 euro per piece
I don't know what the conversion rate is, but BROTHER!!! that's rather steep for a protein powder. If you can find the MLO Bio-Protein bars (and they're as economical where you are as they are here in the states), I'd suggest you give them a try.
With the prices I've seen with the prices here, I can get two Bio-Protein bars for less than one Myoplex bar.
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:-[ it si very difficult to get the brands I would like to buy and it is going to get worse i'm afraid at the end of this year I'm moving to switzerland and life is threee times more expensive over there , so i guess all my money will go to proteine bars in future :-\
My life is over :'(
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Hey Muscle Bunny, I live in Switzerland too, and I order all my stuff via vitaminshoppe.com or bodybuilding.com, and believe me, even if the shipping charges are expensive, you still save a lot of money, because the stuff here is pretty expensive.
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Hey Tubbs nice to know , I'm moving over beginning of next year probably in Tun , near Bern. 8)
Vitamin Shoppe is an excellent choice, given your circumstances. I shopped there quite a bit when I was in Orlando (Florida). Though I still live in the Sunshine State, my current location has no Vitamin Shoppe. So, what I would do is load up when I went to Orlando to visit (my wife has friends and relatives there). Since we visit an average of once a month, I'd just get a month's worth of my favorite supplements, mainly N-Large2.
They usually have a number of protein bars on sale. If you can order the MLO Bio-Protein bars, get them. I'm sure they're economical. Order some of your other supplements, too, if feasible.
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you said NO2 was a worthless supplement and L-arginine was a good one but isnt L-arginine the main ingridient in NO2
l-arginine is the sole molecule that produces Nitric Oxide in the body.
Hope That Helps,
Judi :)
www.jaguarenterprises.org (http://www.jaguarenterprises.org)
With Good Nutrition, ...Good Things Happen!
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8) bro, i respectfully disagree that HMB is completely worthless. i used it hen it first came out 10 years ago, and i was a newbie back then, i did put on some size, but i stacked it with creatine and vanadyl sulfate. just my opinion, ok? it's not totally worthless if you are new to bb.
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HMB is good, methyoxy is very good, suma root is a madman. Anyone ever try RNA/DNA supplements?
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HMB..I also had/have good results with it, good for recuperation!
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Non-recommended Supplements
Cell Tech (over priced)
Muscle Tech (over priced)
HMB
Carb Blockers
Myostatin Inhibitors
NO2 (just get some L-arginine)
Some Thermogenics
Andro Poppers
Most Protein bars
Fizgen ON Cycle HC
1-TU
Z-test
Boldione
Good Supplements
L-arginine
1AD
M1T
Nitrix
Glutamine
BCAA's
Nlarge II
Thanks to Squats Rule for the idea and for all those others who put in. Also if you see something here you disagree with or know of any other supplements you have tried that are useless or way to expensive for what you get please post. Also add supplements that you have had good results form.
Jackel, I have a question. You put NO2 in the worthless list but have Nitrix in the recommended list. Aren't they the same thing?
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I think any kind of thermogenic is a waste of money. I've tried the Cytodine and EAS options and none of them work. All they do is suck money out of your wallet. When I was on them I did not feel any different and I was not seeing any results.
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Try Nutrex Creatine Vitargo CGL.....really good stufff.....little pricey....then get optimum pro complex....choose any flavor....both are good.....then add a twinlab multi-vitamin......that is all u need should last you about 5 weeks...maybe......it will costs around 75$ for that stuff...from mass nutrution....works really good.....till next time keep everything zen!~!~
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i havent noticed any talk about ZMA, CLA, or Tribulus....
what is everyones feelings on that?
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i havent noticed any talk about ZMA, CLA, or Tribulus....
what is everyones feelings on that?
ZMA-good
CLA-ok for cutting diets
Tribulus-? It is cheap, so I take it between PH cycles
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I use ZMA for all year around.
Tribus for PCT
CLA is bogus! :-\
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ZMA gives me terrible headaches (yes I drink plenty of water)
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add everything from muscletech to the list of shitty supps.
Accually, IMO some of Muscletech's products are pretty decent. They're just overpriced.
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I really rate Dorian Yates Approved Chemical Nutrition supplements especially Pro-Mass,Pro-Peptide and Pro-Recover.Not the cheapest but excellent quality-are they popular in the States?
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Vanadyl is the bomb
!!! ;D
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Accually, IMO some of Muscletech's products are pretty decent. They're just overpriced.
I totally agree but they're also overhyped. I especially hate those six pages ads.
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Musco MXT.
Remember that stuff from the 80s?
They're STILL advertising that mysterious substance.
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I think any kind of thermogenic is a waste of money. I've tried the Cytodine and EAS options and none of them work. All they do is suck money out of your wallet. When I was on them I did not feel any different and I was not seeing any results.
Are you talking about thermogenics with ephedra? If so, then I respectfully submit that you're out of your mind. I miss ephedra. Ephedrine was the only supplement that actually did something. I miss it so much.
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Are you talking about thermogenics with ephedra? If so, then I respectfully submit that you're out of your mind. I miss ephedra. Ephedrine was the only supplement that actually did something. I miss it so much.
You can still buy ephedra bro. They sell it in OTC asthma meds and also they sell a supplement online called VasoPro and it contains ephedra in it.
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It's not ephedra, it's ephedrine dude- get them right. DONT BUY ANYTHING FROM MUSCLETECH
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It's not ephedra, it's ephedrine dude- get them right. DONT BUY ANYTHING FROM MUSCLETECH
Accually it's Ephedrine HCL. Nevertheless, Ephedra and Ephedrine are essentially the same substance.
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I have a bottle of Ephedrine HCL before it got banned and I am sure glad that I never threw it away after the expiration date. Last Friday when I was just about to doze off, I had an asthma attack. I hadn't had an attack like that since varsity football practice in HS. I took one of the Ephedrine pills and 10 minutes later I was breathing freely again.
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Accually it's Ephedrine HCL. Nevertheless, Ephedra and Ephedrine are essentially the same substance.
Only to people who dont know anything about supplements
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Only to people who dont know anything about supplements
Do some research before you post next time, they are the same thing.
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I used to use nitirx but it didnt do much for me. I guess different people have different reactions. I use ZMA and it is seems to be the wonder supplement for me. It really does a lot to boost my test levels naturally. I recommmend it to anyone.
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Anyone tried CellMass from BSN?
Good or Bad?
As a newbie to BB I am looking for something to help build a bit of muscle but not get huge.
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like I said, only to people (and moderators) who dont know anything about supplements- dont be mad, just go educate yourself.
Ok koolie. We here at getbig are so fortunate to have such a knowledgable person as yourself here to enlighten us. ::)
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Vitamin Shoppe is an excellent choice, given your circumstances. I shopped there quite a bit when I was in Orlando (Florida). Though I still live in the Sunshine State, my current location has no Vitamin Shoppe. So, what I would do is load up when I went to Orlando to visit (my wife has friends and relatives there). Since we visit an average of once a month, I'd just get a month's worth of my favorite supplements, mainly N-Large2.
They usually have a number of protein bars on sale. If you can order the MLO Bio-Protein bars, get them. I'm sure they're economical. Order some of your other supplements, too, if feasible.
I am also a fan of the MLO bars. They sell them for $.99 a piece at my local grocery store. They are definately the best tasting of any bar I've tried. (Peanut Butter Chocolate!)
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like I said, only to people (and moderators) who dont know anything about supplements- dont be mad, just go educate yourself.
Education:
What is Ephedrine, Ephedra and Ma Huang?
These terms are used to refer to the same substance derived from the plant Ephedra. (There are many common names for these evergreen plants, including squaw tea and Mormon tea.) Ephedra is a shrub-like plant that is found in desert regions in central Asia and other parts of the world. The dried greens of the plant are used medicinally. Ephedra is a stimulant containing the herbal form of ephedrine, an FDA-regulated drug found in over-the-counter asthma medications.
In the United States, ephedra and ephedrine are sold in health food stores under a variety of brand names. Ephedrine is widely used for weight loss, as an energy booster, and to enhance athletic performance. These products often contain other stimulants, such as caffeine, which may have synergistic effects and increase the potential for adverse effects. Ephedra is often touted as the "herbal fen-phen."
Ephedra's main active medical ingredients are the alkaloids ephedrine and pseudoephedrine. The ephedras also contain various tannins and related chemicals.The stem contains 1-3% total alkaloids, with ephedrine accounting for 30-90% of this total. The concentrations of these alkaloids depends upon the particular species of ephedra used.
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You know for some reason Ephedra has become the talk of the Boards, from this thread to four in steriods [HARDCORE], gossip, opinion, and even Sex [sexy,sexier].
Like holy shit. I don't see why you guyz find it so hard to get this product, I guess it is just like me (canadian) trying to get some prohormones.
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I would have to say Cell Tech is way over priced. Nothing more than pure creatine with grape juice. I've taken both and there is NO difference. Just 4x the cost with Cell Tech. I use Nitro Tech now and it's just a protein powder in short. Reasonably priced I'd say. 63 servings of 20g for $45. Not so bad.
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I am also a fan of the MLO bars. They sell them for $.99 a piece at my local grocery store. They are definately the best tasting of any bar I've tried. (Peanut Butter Chocolate!)
I agree. I normally get them for the same price. However, there are a few places where I can buy them for $0.75 each. Either way, I've yet to find a bar that tastes better, has a decent amount of protein (21 grams) and is that affordable. My favorite flavor is Cookies and Creme. However, as good as it tastes, that particular flavored bar will dry your throat out quickly.
So, I usually wash it down some milk. A 20-oz. glass of moo juice along with a Bio-Protein bar gives you a quick 41 grams of protein. Besides, cookies and milk go hand in hand, anyway.
;D
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Nearly all bodybuilding supplements are "worthless", so much so that it seems ridiculous to have an entire forum dedicated to them.
Protein powder can be useful as a convenience, but it's really no different than what you're getting from meat and eggs.
Creatine is effective for some people in getting an extra rep or two out of your sets, but the difference in your overall results is marginal at best.
Vitamins/minerals are always a good idea for overall health, but they won't improve your bodybuilding results.
Anything else, don't waste your money. Ephedra was very effective for fat loss, but of course you can't buy it anymore. No matter what anyone says, BCAA's and Glutamine are just protein, and if you're getting enough protein overall you're already getting these amino acids. "Growth hormone releasers" are a joke... if you want GH, buy the real stuff and inject it. Tribulus and other things purported to increase test levels are also a joke.. if you want test, buy it and inject it. Some of the other whacko things out there like "myostatin blockers", "isoflavones", and etc are pure snake oil.
There are supplements like fish oil, Co-q10, ala, etc that have useful applications for health, but again are worthless for bodybuilding.
GNC should just close its doors and save everyone a lot of trouble. ::)
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Nearly all bodybuilding supplements are "worthless", so much so that it seems ridiculous to have an entire forum dedicated to them.
agreed but glutamine (if you take enough) does cut back on DOMS (at least a day) for me....
I've cut weight with it and I've cut weight without it and I definetly keep my numbers alot longer with it...
it's just expensive and newby's don't understand that 10 grams a day is'nt gonna do shit for them...
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I miss the appetite reducing effect and added energy I got from ephedra. I've tried the new "ephedra - free" thermos and they are no where near as effective. :'(
I found the "Dyma Burn Extreme", "Kranker" and "Stacker 2" brands particularly effective. I never tried Xenadrine or Hydroxycut but I would think that they too worked well. All of these products had additional ingredients such as willow bark, carnitine and yohimbe which probably made them work better. :o
Are these particular products still being manufactured ? Are they still legal in countries other than the U.S. ? ???
I've tried the "Vaso Pro" product. It does not work as well as the products listed above even though it has 25 Mg's. of ephedrine HCL ( I wonder why?) - it is superior, however, to the "ephedra-free" thermos currently available. :-\
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No matter what anyone says, BCAA's and Glutamine are just protein, and if you're getting enough protein overall you're already getting these amino acids.
Not if you're a natural bodybuilder who is pre-contest.
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I tried the Animal Stak... good stuff... I tried the Animal M stak... didn't work so I started D-bol and Test ;D
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Useless:
i left this quote blank to give you a chance to edit your post. those two are proven supplements that actually work. many argue that glutamine is worthless, i personally can tell you that i can tell a difference once i "quit" taking it.
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I just started taking glutamine (about a week), haven't noticed anything yet.
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I just started taking glutamine (about a week), haven't noticed anything yet.
if its a legit glutamine it should be helping you recover, what did you want to notice bast1?
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Powerbomb,
You have no credibility whatsoever. You have never even used it, yet you come out against it because we've exchanged a few nasty words. Grow up! CHILD!
You don't have to use that particular product when you can read the ingredients and have experience using the ingredients or know others who have.
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You don't have to use that particular product when you can read the ingredients and have experience using the ingredients or know others who have.
Who do you know that has used ProArgi9 and found it lacking?
So you are saying L-arginine is worthless? There's a ton of scientific research that says otherwise. Not to mention quite a lot of satisfied users, and quite a few competitive worldclass athletes who will say otherwise, ...and not just about generic ingredients, but about this specific product ProArgi9
Come on people, do you really believe the readers here are that stupid that they are unable to see that those of you speaking out against this product have absolutely no credibility whatsoever to do so, because none of you have ever tried it.
This thread is supposed to be about supplements we have used and found to be worthless, not about people we do not like, or supplement prices we do not like, therefore we will trash the product itself and lie about the quality of them, ...even though we have no experience with them ourselves.
Anyone who does that is liar and not to be trusted. And anyone who would listen to and place credibility with someone who would do that is a fool.
Judi :)
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Ahh man, the shadiest broad on this board called me a child.
You could only hope i was a child because its the only person your gonna get pumped up about your 17 lbs of muscle, bullsh*t product.
I dont need to be credible to say that your a scam artist, you need to be credible to sell your precious arg9 sh*t, and credible you are not, nor is your made up guy who packed on all this muscle in record time nor is the old scientist who you keep posting on here.
you will eventually figure it out and go find a new teen bb board and maybe get some sales.
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My strength is actually up and I am still losing weight. Maybe the glutamine is helping now!
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Don't worry I found out the scam. She's using that price for a reason. Check the question for jagenterprises thread
There's no scam involved. I had been asked what the product retails for, and that's the retail price $97.50. I've always maintained I prefer to pass on the wholesale price. The website that lists pricing is a replicated site whose contents is controlled by the company. There is a push within the company to urge corporate to remove retail pricing because so few distributors actually include the markup. That is my preference. Actually I would prefer if the website facilitated the setting of indivual pricing, this way those who want to sell at retail can do that, and those who want to set lower pricing for their products can do that too. The decision will be announced on the 4th I think. It's hardly relevant anyway because the replicated website is optional.
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Where are the MODS at? This is basically the same as a telemarketer trying to sell their ware. Why hasn't she been booted? Arginine has actually been shown to decrease GH output. These findings are from the most recent ACSM convention. Google it!
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If you don't want to pay 100 dollars for a supplement, than don't. It's as simple as that. There is no need for slander or tearing down someones company. She, like many others in the world, is trying to run a business. The business offers a product for a certain price and if the customer doesn't want to pay for it, they don't. I think everyone needs to start focusing their attention on posting useful posts instead of attacking members. Iam really getting sick of constantly hearing this crap.
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The company MHP has some good products, their track creatine worked great for me. Nutrex has some good stuff as well, their old lipo-6 was great. Always look for science behind products, not just marketing
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Is there really that much ignorance out there? Did anyone know that our bodies need folic acid to convert arginine into nitric oxide? That NO 2 is simply a cheaper form of Arginine and all you are doing is overloading your body with that crap? Everyone that is healthconsious and wants to stay clean should really do their research, and always listen to your body, not everyone reacts the same to the same products.
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hey bro. try discontinuing use for three weeks or so. after awhile your body grows immune to most products.
WORK HARD-GROW BIGG.
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Has anyone taking Biotest Mag 10 before? If so can you please let me know how was it and did you get good or bad results. Thanks.
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Has anyone taking Biotest Mag 10 before? If so can you please let me know how was it and did you get good or bad results. Thanks.
Yo! Big L, the mag 10 was a pretty good product, however, its been discontinued for quite some time now, check the expiration date to make sure that it still good.
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Good looking BigJay! The thing is some people I know about are selling there last bit of stuff and my home boy wanted to buy it but didn't know if it was worth buying. So i figured I'll ask to see if anyone tried it before he buys it. Personally I like Rich Gaspari products. But thanks anyway!!!
Peace Out!
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Anyone ever hear of the company Andro-Mass? im considering buying some m1t pills made by them because its available near me. just wondering if anyone knows if they are legit cause i never heard of em and dont want to buy fake pills.
Thanks
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Dont you think this has happened with fruit and veg??
U just aid that 'crops are grown'. I assume you dont think the fruit and veg you have been eating will be ny different?
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Have anyone had any sucess with maxterdon are equilbolan 2 of the products impact nutrition sells.79 $ a bottle
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Have anyone had any sucess with maxterdon are equilbolan 2 of the products impact nutrition sells.79 $ a bottle
JUNK!
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What's wrong with Andro Poppers? The company claims that it is a new version of Methyl 1-test.
Loads of companies are claiming that!
Where were they when m1t was out?
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Hello all
I was wondering about SAN V12 turbo, is it any good... any feed back would be much appreciated.
keep up the good work, amazing site
thanks
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Cell Basics......growth factors and l-glutamine in the product. Only thing i'll use for protein
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I used to use nitirx but it didnt do much for me. I guess different people have different reactions. I use ZMA and it is seems to be the wonder supplement for me. It really does a lot to boost my test levels naturally. I recommmend it to anyone.
As would I; the only thing I'd say is that it gives me the odd spot of mild acne, typically on my scalp, but I guess that's evidence of the testosterone boost. As long as it doesn't start breaking out over my face, I'll keep using it, as it's made a notable improvement.
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Bad Supplements..
Fizogen Gear Cycle, and even worse... Vysotechs 17-HD
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Swole
Nitroxyn2
Just finished up a bottle, totally worthless.
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Most supplements are psychological. Lets face it, if you are using something and it makes you go to the gym and train hard then so be it. I was on BSN Nitrix and made some great gains.. People were complimenting me left it right.
Was it because of the product or the fact I was training alot harder and more frequent? The world will never know......
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I have to say the worst supplement i've ever had is NOX by pinnacle....biggest waste of money i felt nothing
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Anything made by MuscleTech is basically allot of hype and no quality
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I agree with pretty much everything you categorized, although you should've just saved some time by saying that all MuscleTech products are worthless. In terms of the worthwhile products, I'd add Cytodyne (the supplement itself, not the company), Boldione, and N-Large.
What do you have to say about AST Sports Science poducts?? T-Bol 100 by Chemi-Sport and IMPACT Nutrition Products?? R they worth a dime??
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Universal Animal pak works awesome!!! ;D
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Non-recommended Supplements
Cell Tech (over priced)
Muscle Tech (over priced)
HMB
Carb Blockers
Myostatin Inhibitors
NO2 (just get some L-arginine)
Some Thermogenics
Andro Poppers
Most Protein bars
Fizgen ON Cycle HC
1-TU
Z-test
Boldione
Good Supplements
L-arginine
1AD
M1T
Nitrix
Glutamine
BCAA's
Nlarge II
Thanks to Squats Rule for the idea and for all those others who put in. Also if you see something here you disagree with or know of any other supplements you have tried that are useless or way to expensive for what you get please post. Also add supplements that you have had good results form.
awesome post
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There is a company out there that not to many people know about and thats NDS. They dont do much by way of promotion (mostly word of mouth.) You can also buy them at certin GNC's ( I know what your thinking and their not a GNC brand!). Well long story short their products work far better than anything out right now. If you serious about all the good supplements that you write about then you need to give this company a shot. Its a little more expensive, but you get what you pay for. Not to mention everytime i go in to restock they always make me a deal.
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I been taking the cell basics stuff too.....awesome. Has all my l-glutamine right in it. Orange is great!!
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This is my input on supplements. 5 years of lifting heavy and taking supplements (celltech, n-large, glutamine, vanadyl sulfate, flax seed oil, fish oil, vitamin B-12, c, e, and 1ad), I have gained 60 pounds of muscle and reached many goals in the weight room. I don't know what worked the most because I have always been on this stack of supplements. Either the supplements gave me the gains or my workouts, eating, and consistency are the reasons for the gains. I do eat 3000 to 4000 calories a day. Really, if you have the heart and determination to get the results you want, you will get them.
Live for Pain!
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Glutamine and HMB are definitely worthless!!!
Actually the only supps for improving muscle mass (not health) are:
-Creatine
-BCAAs
-Essential amino acids
-Zinc (possibly)
-Whey
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Looking for INFO on AST Sports Science poducts?? Also anyone take T-Bol 100 by Chemi-Sport (hard to find now)and R IMPACT Nutrition Products worth a dime??
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;D
Creatine (Pure Creatine Monohydrate, beats the drink mix stuff)
Amino's (prefer pills, although they are not easily swallowed)
Creatine is great for instant results for hard gainers (with the correct diet !)
and best supplement i've seen resluts from so far is.....................
Milk. Plenty of it. (go on try something God (not Met rx) made for a change)
;)
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When I was in Iraq, they had MuscleTech products in the commisary, Cell-tech, Nitrotech and Hydroxycut. Needless to say, I wasn't too impressed by the results (they were average at best).
Then I got hooked up with some BSN stuff (Nitrix, CellMass, NO-Xplode), and let me tell you, I had greater workouts and strength increases in one month than on 3 months of the MuscleTech stuff. I totally recommend BSN to everyone. Here's their products I've taken so far:
Nitrix
CellMass
NO-Xplode
Lean Dessert Protein
Betalin 7-EC
Cheaters Relief
Thermonex
Also, I tried VitargoCGL and Vitrix from Nutrex Research. The VitargoCGL worked great along with the testosterone-jacking Vitrix. If you don't like BSN or MuscleTech, give Nutrex a try.
Later.
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BSN ,s no-explode is good. Nitrix on the other hand i feel is crap. I haven't taken cellmass. I dont want to use creatine anymore i look like the staypuff marshmellow man on it. Best fatburner lipo-6.
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Try to eat more real food and just use supps as they are supposed to be used... as a "supp" to your regular diet.
A good whey protein powder and a quality multi vitamin is really all you need. There are tons of ridiculous products out there, surrounded by tons of hype, not worth the money.
I mean they (supps) wont hurt nothing...but your wallet. And for no real gain.
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BSN supplements are definatly the best right now, try the mass stack ur pumps will be unreal, the srength gains are fast, and you never get sore from workouts b/c cell mass has some form of glutamine AKG that honestly doesn't let u get sore
look at bodybuilding.com and on ebay, e-supplements
this is were u will find the best prices (can be expensive)
also has anyone ever used the on cycle, off cycle deal?? it looks kinda like a testosterone thing? water retention?
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BSN NITRIX - THE BEST!!!!!!!!!
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Yohimbe works well for me. I have M1T but haven't tried it yet. Any comments on M1T would be appreciated.
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m1t from gaspari worked best for me, until my kidneys started to ache.. did work well for otc drug but not woth it being as toxic as it is.
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IMO,When i take HMB, i dont feel as sore the next day after a workout.
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I'm not sure if it's fair to call it worthless, but Maximuscle's Cyclone is far and away the most tasteless shit I have ever endured. They call it 'strawberry', but it's the most foul-testing chemical watery gliss on Earth. I'm skeptical that something so watery can contain the 20g of protein per scoop they claim, as well as 5g of creatine and 5g of L-gluatimine. Looks like bull to me. And tastes like crap.
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I'm taking superpump 250 by gaspari nutrition and vitamin shops brand of no2 called nutralean its working great for me. also 50 mgs of vanadyl sulfate before and after, fukin road map veins everywhere.
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I disagree with NO2 (MRI's NO2 anyways) not working. I've used it in the past and had great results (although it is very over priced).
Nox3 on the otherhand didn't do anything for me.
My 2 cents...
if you buy thier web special it comes out to 62.50 a month wich isnt to bad, ive used others and id say you get what you pay forwith this stuff!
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Anyone remember ICOPRO? LOL!!!
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Anyone remember ICOPRO? LOL!!!
YOU GOTTA WANT IT!!!! ;D
I actually tried the weight gainer, Mega-Gro 10,000. It had the consistency of mud but tasted OK.
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Anyone remember Smilax? What a scam that was! I'm still mad that I wasted my money on that stuff - being the stupid kid that I was. ::)
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Anyone remember Smilax? What a scam that was! I'm still mad that I wasted my money on that stuff - being the stupid kid that I was. ::)
What the hell? I thought similax was baby formula.
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What about glandulars? I get the best results using glandulars versus plain aminos...
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Betagen was so damn expensive. I can't believe that I used to spend that kind of cash. Now, plain old creatine is so cheap, and the best way to go. ;D
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What about HOTSTUFF......do you guys remember that crap. I cant believe that I used to go down to the states to buy it.
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I was in high school when Hot stuff on the market. I never bought it, but remembering back then there weren't too many good supplements on the market.
Oh yeah, I used to remember when beta-gen was rediculously expensive too. I wasted so much money at one point.
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Agreed: all are overpriced, but if you wait steadily and then hit hard when the shit get's down right dirt cheap on sale, you can't go wrong. :D...I got a 7 boxes of Detour bars today at GNC, all were 60 cents each! Shit is going on sale...I just bought all they had. Not a bad deal, they only have 30g protein so I just eat two. But for that cheap and so many, you just can't beat it.
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M1T is good but very toxic... if you're going to take something like that.. you might as well do some gear... (steroids). I wouldn't even put that in the supplement group.
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Agreed: all are overpriced, but if you wait steadily and then hit hard when the shit get's down right dirt cheap on sale, you can't go wrong. :D...I got a 7 boxes of Detour bars today at GNC, all were 60 cents each! Shit is going on sale...I just bought all they had. Not a bad deal, they only have 30g protein so I just eat two. But for that cheap and so many, you just can't beat it.
GNC usually only does that when things are expired or about to expire. Check your dates. Some bars just taste "off" when they're not fresh.
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GNC usually only does that when things are expired or about to expire. Check your dates. Some bars just taste "off" when they're not fresh.
Yeah they taste rancid due to the spoilage of the fats in them. Chocolate start to taste sour.
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Hey guys! What about a combo of Methoxy & Ecdy? I used to train with a minimum to no supps added to my training routine in the past and recently started to use these two in combination with HMB and NO2. Now in a few months down the road I can see noticeable difference - definitely added on some muscle.
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Lookingto see if anyone has used Maxteron from HCMusle.com??
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what about muscel techs GAKIC?????? does this work?
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SDI labs sucks, it's not real gear anyway. So how can you get gains from something that the product is not?
As far as the arginine goes. I will debate on that subject. I agree that most arginine supplements do not
completely do what they are suppposed to do because you body produces most of teh arginine you need already.
L-Norvalline is a arginase inhibitor-Which mean it tricks your bodys natural Nitric Oxide storages to low, so you body
will be in a state of temporary depletion. Any arginine taken during this state of deprivation will be used to increase the
"low" storages you body is tricked into believing. This will allow you to supersaturate your system with Arginine. More arginine
in the body will increase blood flow, and nutrient delievery to working muscles.
Vyotech's Nitrobolic is one of these products
The people who make muscle milk have a product also that has L-Norvalline(just not as much arginine types in the product)
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Biotest mag-10
worthless pro hormone supplement that testosterone.net praises about.
All it did was give me zits on my back.
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Non-recommended Supplements
Cell Tech (over priced)
Muscle Tech (over priced)
HMB
Carb Blockers
Myostatin Inhibitors
NO2 (just get some L-arginine)
Some Thermogenics
Andro Poppers
Most Protein bars
Fizgen ON Cycle HC
1-TU
Z-test
Boldione
Good Supplements
L-arginine
1AD
M1T
Nitrix
Glutamine
BCAA's
Nlarge II
Methoxymasterdrol
formadrol
Thanks to Squats Rule for the idea and for all those others who put in. Also if you see something here you disagree with or know of any other supplements you have tried that are useless or way to expensive for what you get please post. Also add supplements that you have had good results form.
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what about muscel techs GAKIC?????? does this work?
I've tried it. It works pretty well. But, a word of advice. TAKE THE PILLS!!!! The so-called "Glacer Punch" powder tastes TERRIBLE!!! Imagine strawberry Kool-Aid with laundry detergent, instead of sugar, added to it.
YUUUUUUCKKK!!!
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Well I guess I don't have any supplements that I hate right now but I really do like the following:
Muscle milk is probably the best supplement ever - so far the lowest price I have found it for is at Supplements Outlet http://www.supplementsoutlet.com/cytosport.html (http://www.supplementsoutlet.com/cytosport.html)
I really like NO Xplode but I think it works best together with Nitrix and CellMass in what they call the BSN Mass Stack http://www.performancenutrition.com/Shopping/product.asp?catalog_name=Performance&category_name=&product_id=massstack (http://www.performancenutrition.com/Shopping/product.asp?catalog_name=Performance&category_name=&product_id=massstack)
I also recommend MHP T Bomb II. With MHP T-Bomb II, I pretty much exploded muscle wise. I put on almost 8 pounds of muscle and some of my lifts went up by 20lbs http://www.performancenutrition.com/Shopping/product.asp?catalog_name=Performance&category_name=&product_id=MHP-205 (http://www.performancenutrition.com/Shopping/product.asp?catalog_name=Performance&category_name=&product_id=MHP-205)
I also use designer whey sometimes http://www.performancenutrition.com/Shopping/product.asp?catalog_name=Performance&category_name=&product_id=NNDW (http://www.performancenutrition.com/Shopping/product.asp?catalog_name=Performance&category_name=&product_id=NNDW)
oh and Nitro Tech Protein bars http://www.performancenutrition.com/Shopping/product.asp?catalog_name=Performance&category_name=&product_id=MTNTB (http://www.performancenutrition.com/Shopping/product.asp?catalog_name=Performance&category_name=&product_id=MTNTB)
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wU-sOLdiEr ,
You could of got the same results using a much cheaper product. Check main necessary ingredients on labels and compare. Prob could of saved yourself over $20 and maybe gotten better results. Muscle tech is advertised all over the bodybuilding magazines. Any product that advertises will sell no matter how crappy it is. I suggest you really read labels and compare, and save your money.
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Shakh,
Supplements are not worthless. Some are. But there are a lot that do actually help you build muscle and recover. Anyone that works out to build muscle needs extra vitamins and protein and various amino acids for recovery. Its been proven I do not see any muscular guys out there that wont take extra protein in some form. Vegetarians for example for the most part are thin. Ive never seen a vegetarian body builder out there. Got to get enough protein somewhere.
Supplements are not dangerous everything can be dangerous too you. If you drank tooo much water it could be dangerous.
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wU-sOLdiEr ,
You could of got the same results using a much cheaper product. Check main necessary ingredients on labels and compare. Prob could of saved yourself over $20 and maybe gotten better results. Muscle tech is advertised all over the bodybuilding magazines. Any product that advertises will sell no matter how crappy it is. I suggest you really read labels and compare, and save your money.
Again, I have to ask the question: How do you think MuscleTech got all of that money to advertise? Did some rich but bored billionaire just drop a multi-million dollar budget into that company's account, and bless them saying, "Be fruitful and advertise!!"?
Go back about 10 years and look at the ads for that company. Go back about 15 and look at the ads for MET-Rx. Look how hokey they were back then; look at them NOW!!
I remember when the ads for a certain "anabolic activator" made by a then-Florida-based company, were in black-and-white. They were endorsed by local and state-level bodybuilders and powerlifters.
The only magazine that carried the ads as Florida Muscle News, now, known as Southern Muscle Plus. Within a few short years, that product (which you've probably guessed is none other than HOT STUFF) was selling like hotcakes and later advertised in all the major muscle magazine. Before you knew it, other companies were coming up with their own "Stuff".
Why certain folks are all bend out of shape about advertisng is beyond me. That's how you market the product, which in turn makes $$$ to pay the bills.
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Non-recommended Supplements
Cell Tech (over priced)
Muscle Tech (over priced)
HMB
Carb Blockers
Myostatin Inhibitors
NO2 (just get some L-arginine)
Some Thermogenics
Andro Poppers
Most Protein bars
Fizgen ON Cycle HC
1-TU
Z-test
Boldione
Good Supplements
L-arginine
1AD
M1T
Nitrix
Glutamine
BCAA's
Nlarge II
Thanks to Squats Rule for the idea and for all those others who put in. Also if you see something here you disagree with or know of any other supplements you have tried that are useless or way to expensive for what you get please post. Also add supplements that you have had good results form.
I have to agree with alot of what is said here except the NO2 on good and bad. I thought the Nitrix was horrible, but it all depends on each individual what works for you might not work for me, but Nitrix was horrible for me. However PumpTech is the best product I've ever used and its probably the best NO2 out. I also want to agree with CellTech really doing nothing at all and being overpriced on top of it. I also want to say I good product Ive used is Muscle Milk, its pricey unless you buy it online where it is very cheap. It is the only protein I have been able to actually lean out while taking it. Usually I gain a bunch of weight and then have to double up the cardio to drop some of it off which i know kills muscle as well, but with Muscle Milk I can take that, do my normal lifting routine and only have to hit up the cardio for about 30 mins a day.
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i think if you told someone they were taking creatine, nitric oxide, or even steroids and they were really taking a placebo in the form of sugar pills they would make gains... it's just mind over matter sometimes... maybe some companies are just selling sugar pills that make you have a "15% increase in strength instantly..." things that make you go hmm? just my 2 cents.
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If you don't want to pay 100 dollars for a supplement, than don't. It's as simple as that. There is no need for slander or tearing down someones company. She, like many others in the world, is trying to run a business. The business offers a product for a certain price and if the customer doesn't want to pay for it, they don't. I think everyone needs to start focusing their attention on posting useful posts instead of attacking members. Iam really getting sick of constantly hearing this crap.
AMEN, brother, AMEN!!! 8)
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Iam not saying its good to replace solid meals with pills, but some of these supplements DO help to build muscle. If you think otherwise, try telling that to my brother who gained 15 pounds of solid muscle on creatine in two weeks.
15 pounds of solid muscle my ass....i love reading some of these posts!
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I wouldn't say good quality. I'd say average quality with a huge advertising budget. I think the main reason that they are on the "bad" list is because thet are overpriced & overhyped. There are o many other supplements that will give you the same results for half the cost. I just had the get that off my chest.
Agreed, Good Supplments don't need marketing or advertising. All they need is word of mouth.
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Iam not saying its good to replace solid meals with pills, but some of these supplements DO help to build muscle. If you think otherwise, try telling that to my brother who gained 15 pounds of solid muscle on creatine in two weeks.
wow! 7 kgs solid muscle in 15 days?? come on this is not true!
protein powders,creatine, BCAAs, and some vitamins are the basis with the adittion of a few extras like liver tabs, green tea cla
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i am appreciating a lot NO Shotgun in this period...it works very nice with me
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Add Muscletech's Anator P-70.. A complete waste of money, just like their other products.
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glutamine ahahah. "the jackel" put that under good supplements, ahha. obviously he hasnt read anything about glutamine in a scientific context. its a worthless supplement as far as bodybuilding goes. its good for digestion and upset stomach. it is no good for bodybuilding. it doesnt absorb through the grastic lining appreciably.
glutamine sucks.
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I like to stick to the basics nothing fancy. Some bcaa's quality protein, glutamine and a good multi- vitamin
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Iam not saying its good to replace solid meals with pills, but some of these supplements DO help to build muscle. If you think otherwise, try telling that to my brother who gained 15 pounds of solid muscle on creatine in two weeks.
biologically impossible.
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biologically impossible.
Hang yourself.
there is some guy at the gym, i see all the time, he told me that he gained 25 lbs of muscle in 1 month because of creatine. i should have said "biologinally impossible. hang yourself" haha
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there is some guy at the gym, i see all the time, he told me that he gained 25 lbs of muscle in 1 month because of creatine. i should have said "biologinally impossible. hang yourself" haha
Then repeatedly poke him in the gut while saying "Who's got a big squishy belly? Hmmm? Who's been getting their carbs?"
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my opinion for a supplement not horribly priced is gnc pro performance products. some of their proteins are a lil expensive but their creatine at 25 bucks a container works for me and on my pocket book. my 2 cents.
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my opinion for a supplement not horribly priced is gnc pro performance products. some of their proteins are a lil expensive but their creatine at 25 bucks a container works for me and on my pocket book. my 2 cents.
25$ for 2 kilos?
SOrry, i'm not in the US.
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Hey guys i just joined this site yesterday and I need some advice. I had been working out religiously for about 6years, I did a cycles of Winni about 3 years ago, I was in good shape (5'10 ,214, 12% BF). Due to med schools intense hours I have not been able to workout for about 5 months, I also wasn't getting adequate sleep or eat the proper foods at the proper time, so I'm now (215lbs, I would say about 20% BF). I Finished my first year of med school 2 weeks ago, and now have the time to get back into things. I've been out of the bodybuilding loop for awhile so I was wondering if you guys knew of any good supplements that cause for some nice muscle gains, oh ya I don't want to do another cycle. So, I'll tell you what I'm currently taking and you tell me what to get rid of and what to add.
I drink anywhere from 2 to 4 liters of water during my day.
7am-- Gasparian Pump 250( 2scoops) , Novex Biotech Endothil-CR
7:15-- Nitrotech Protein Shake
7:45-- Workout
9am-- Muscletech Protein shake with a Gatorade
11:30-- Tuna Salad (30-35g protein), 1 red apple,1 orange, 1 GNC multi vit, two 600mg L-glutamine capsules, 1000mg CLA
2:30pm-- Tuna Salad (30-35g protein), brown rice or wheat pasta (one and a half cups)
5:30-- Chicken Breast (30-35g protein),one serving of fruit, two 600mg L-glutamine capsules, 1000mg CLA
8:30-- Chicken or Turkey Breast (30-35g protein), a cup of veggies
10:30-- 1-3 mile jog every other day, it's not an intense jog, I try to keep it at a slow pace ( 9- 11 minutes a mile)
11:10--2 cups nonfat milk or 1 cup nonfat milk mixed with 20 grams whey protein,1 GNC multi vit,two 600mg L-glutamine capsules, 1000mg CLA, 2 tablets GNC ZMA
11:30-- In bed
Thanks
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Hey guys i just joined this site yesterday and I need some advice. I had been working out religiously for about 6years, I did a cycles of Winni about 3 years ago, I was in good shape (5'10 ,214, 12% BF). Due to med schools intense hours I have not been able to workout for about 5 months, I also wasn't getting adequate sleep or eat the proper foods at the proper time, so I'm now (215lbs, I would say about 20% BF). I Finished my first year of med school 2 weeks ago, and now have the time to get back into things. I've been out of the bodybuilding loop for awhile so I was wondering if you guys knew of any good supplements that cause for some nice muscle gains, oh ya I don't want to do another cycle. So, I'll tell you what I'm currently taking and you tell me what to get rid of and what to add.
I drink anywhere from 2 to 4 liters of water during my day.
7am-- Gasparian Pump 250( 2scoops) , Novex Biotech Endothil-CR
7:15-- Nitrotech Protein Shake
7:45-- Workout
9am-- Muscletech Protein shake with a Gatorade
11:30-- Tuna Salad (30-35g protein), 1 red apple,1 orange, 1 GNC multi vit, two 600mg L-glutamine capsules, 1000mg CLA
2:30pm-- Tuna Salad (30-35g protein), brown rice or wheat pasta (one and a half cups)
5:30-- Chicken Breast (30-35g protein),one serving of fruit, two 600mg L-glutamine capsules, 1000mg CLA
8:30-- Chicken or Turkey Breast (30-35g protein), a cup of veggies
10:30-- 1-3 mile jog every other day, it's not an intense jog, I try to keep it at a slow pace ( 9- 11 minutes a mile)
11:10--2 cups nonfat milk or 1 cup nonfat milk mixed with 20 grams whey protein,1 GNC multi vit,two 600mg L-glutamine capsules, 1000mg CLA, 2 tablets GNC ZMA
11:30-- In bed
Thanks
Don't overdo it.
In the beginning, just good food is fine. Safe the stupid -tech shit until you hit a wall.
600mg glutamine won't do jackshit. try something like 15g post workout.
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dude is taking too many sups.
spend the money on good food, some protien powder, protien bars and creatine.
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dude is taking too many sups.
spend the money on good food, some protien powder, protien bars and creatine.
good advice, i'd say 90% of bodybuilders rely too much on supps compared to food.
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man alot of people on this board including the mod(jackel) dont know much about supps.
dont take glutamine. not 15 grams not any. unless you have ibs or chrons.
NO2n is arginine, it is not something seperate. arginine alpha ketogluterate.
you cant gain anywere close to 15 pounds of muscle in two weeks, super glycogen compensation, small amounts of muscle and loads of water.
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there is more stupid advice but ill let the hate roll in first. im just trying to get the proper advice out there. i run a supp store, and people come in with all kinds of ignorant shit.
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dont take glutamine. not 15 grams not any. unless you have ibs or chrons.
What are reasons why?
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What are reasons why?
in a bodybuilding context, it offers no real advantages.
it does not absorb through the gastric lining and has no anaboliic effects
only things i would use glutamine for are for gaba agonism(sleep), immune system(although whey had quite enough along with food) and digestion(again food sourced)
it is really a waste of money in terms of bodybuilding.
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in a bodybuilding context, it offers no real advantages. what has glutamine to do with bodybuilding contests??
it does not absorb through the gastric lining and has no anaboliic effects
only things i would use glutamine for are for gaba agonism(sleep), immune system(although whey had quite enough along with food) and digestion(again food sourced)
it is really a waste of money in terms of bodybuilding.
I don't agree with you here, because actually glutamine helps a lot with recovery.
Even if a lot of glutamine gets absorbed by your intestines and is used for digestion and the immune system, THIS actually leaves the body lots of other amino acids to use in your muscle, which he would not do without the glutamine.
Glutamine is great when consumed with other amino acids or a protein shake. One of the best supps there are.
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I don't agree with you here, because actually glutamine helps a lot with recovery.
Even if a lot of glutamine gets absorbed by your intestines and is used for digestion and the immune system, THIS actually leaves the body lots of other amino acids to use in your muscle, which he would not do without the glutamine.
Glutamine is great when consumed with other amino acids or a protein shake. One of the best supps there are.
there is nothing to really disagree about, go to avant and search glutamine, or go to pubmed.
you will see it is basically worthless, and extra amounts are pissed out and not absorbed as it is a conditionally essential amino acid, which can be formed as needed by other aminos.
also, the sheer amount of protein and quality protein bb eat would more then supply enough glutamine.
it is not a wise product to invest money in for recovery. it offers no anabolic advantages and no anti-catabolic advantages at high doses. the above benefits are all there is to supplementing glutamine. for some that may be enough, but is doesnt help with recovery.
if i were looking at aminos i would be looking at leucine as the kingpin for muscle growth dosed at 23-35 grams a day. the other BCAA'S are fine, but leucine is much better.
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in a bodybuilding context, it offers no real advantages.
it does not absorb through the gastric lining and has no anaboliic effects
only things i would use glutamine for are for gaba agonism(sleep), immune system(although whey had quite enough along with food) and digestion(again food sourced)
it is really a waste of money in terms of bodybuilding.
Glumtamine is the most abundant amino acid in the body yet we don't consume enough in our food.
It is beneficial to preserve muscle, especially under any kind of stress. It's the only supplement that I use.
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Glumtamine is the most abundant amino acid in the body yet we don't consume enough in our food.
It is beneficial to preserve muscle, especially under any kind of stress. It's the only supplement that I use.
yes it is, but what im trying to say is that according to mountains of research it simply doesnt absorb very well via oral administration. it has its benefits though, like the ones ive listed, with sleep and digestion among the best.
ill see if i can find the papers for you to have a look at if you want to read some of them.
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yes it is, but what im trying to say is that according to mountains of research it simply doesnt absorb very well via oral administration. it has its benefits though, like the ones ive listed, with sleep and digestion among the best.
ill see if i can find the papers for you to have a look at if you want to read some of them.
Read Dr Judy Shabert's book: Glutamine, The Ultimate Nutrient.
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Read Dr Judy Shabert's book: Glutamine, The Ultimate Nutrient.
is there a book on health you havent read? ;D
lol
cool ill have a look.
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So right! I agree with all those.
Ahhh....remember 1-AD. So nice.
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Flower stated good stuff along time back. I have tried my fair share....and like most things they work...or so they seem to make my head think so. But when you put focus on anything....or even on nothing but yourself, you can grow like mad too.
But some of those supps do work wonders. And you don't always get what you pay for either.
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how bout all supplements are worthless xcept for multi vitamins and bcaa's
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how bout all supplements are worthless xcept for multi vitamins and bcaa's
I don't agree with that.
There is allot of crap out there that is marketed well, but modern supplements are leaps and bounds a head of the crap of the old days and a fair bit of it works.
1) Modern Protein powder, nice and easy to take, tastes good and works... just ten years ago it tasted crap, if you did not down it straight away it turned to cement in your shaker and all of them gave you gas for the next 24 hours.(Especially Weider products)
2) Pre work out boosters are amazing now a days.
3) Post work out drinks with HI GI carbs, BCAA and Creatine works well.
4) Test boosters especially when you get into your thirties make a massive difference.
The trouble is it all costs allot of money and does not work on every one, but if can see past the hype, find a good brand and find something that works for you that you can afford, it is magic.
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1-TU worthless??? Best pro-hormone ever.
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the guy that made this thread doesnt have a sweet clue about supps.
one thing i hate is the misinformed giving out info without any research.
i dont talk about shit i dont know about. i dont pretend to know stuff about math,cars,or fishing
for example M1T as good?
that is ridiculous. first off its basically a liver toxin with the side of muscle growth. it renders the HPTA useless, and can only be cycled for short periods. these factors combined make it garbage. you'll risk potential sides, for little gains do to cycle longevity, and be hard pressed to keep them.
it is the most toxic oral around period. its utter shit.
all oral steriods are really shit unless combined with a test base etc..
M1T will dissolve your liver and fuck up your lipoproteins in a hurry.
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What do you guys think about Vitargo Creatine? i heard some good things about it.
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What do you guys think about Vitargo Creatine? i heard some good things about it.
its the shit dude, get that or supercarb from avant and your golden.
i like vitargo cgl. awesome stuff for packing on weight.
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What do you guys think about Vitargo Creatine? i heard some good things about it.
VITARGO CGL.. Is probably is my favourite supplement period.
The worst is ANYTHING made by Kemistry.. The absolute pits..
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there is nothing to really disagree about, go to avant and search glutamine, or go to pubmed.
you will see it is basically worthless, and extra amounts are pissed out and not absorbed as it is a conditionally essential amino acid, which can be formed as needed by other aminos.
also, the sheer amount of protein and quality protein bb eat would more then supply enough glutamine.
it is not a wise product to invest money in for recovery. it offers no anabolic advantages and no anti-catabolic advantages at high doses. the above benefits are all there is to supplementing glutamine. for some that may be enough, but is doesnt help with recovery.
if i were looking at aminos i would be looking at leucine as the kingpin for muscle growth dosed at 23-35 grams a day. the other BCAA'S are fine, but leucine is much better.
I always see this type of info. but i also always see glutamine on the countertops of great looking BBers. I take it, i like it. deffinetely helps with sleep
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I always see this type of info. but i also always see glutamine on the countertops of great looking BBers. I take it, i like it. deffinetely helps with sleep
ya it helps with sleep for sure, you also see test, slin etc behind the counter as well.
you also see alot of pros eating 2grams or protein per pound also, it doesnt do shit.
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The best Tribulus product is the original Tribestan from Sopharma Bulgaria it is the only pharmaceutical grade product.
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could i add
no explode
nitrix
to the worthless supplements
good
trumass
great weight management tool
i cant really speak for any others I only use
creatine
whey isolate
casien
glutamine
oil
multivit
and trumass when im in growth season
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NO is a bunch of bullshit - muscle pump does not equal muscle growth.
These are the three supplements anyone needs, in order of priority:
Whey/Casein/Egg protein
Injectable Anabolics/Pro-Hormones (subject to availability, males only please!)
Creatine
But most importantly, solid fundamental diet with brief high intensity training, then adequate muscle recovery.
Nothing else matters. Bodybuilding is not rocket science.
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NO is a bunch of bullshit - muscle pump does not equal muscle growth.
These are the three supplements anyone needs, in order of priority:
Whey/Casein/Egg protein
Injectable Anabolics/Pro-Hormones (subject to availability, males only please!)
Creatine
But most importantly, solid fundamental diet with brief high intensity training, then adequate muscle recovery.
Nothing else matters. Bodybuilding is not rocket science.
i would say all you really need is good food and rest.
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NO explode is useless
gaspari superpump does give me superpumps but i don't know if there is anything longlasting about it.
gaspari 3rd degree burn has also worked well for me
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I ordered a big ass tub of this shit from bb.com. It claims in the add that they have easy to swallow caplets, these are not caplets, they are freaking horse pills. Each one is the size of an ice cube. The smell is so nasty it makes me gag. Everytime I open the jar my girls gets pissed at me from the smell. I have to wash my hands after taking them because it smells like I massaged a horses ass with my hand. It is the nastiest, worst supplement out there.
Seriously buyer beware. Stay the f*ck away from Ultimate Nutrition Amino-Bolic. It is just plain gross shit.
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I ordered a big ass tub of this shit from bb.com. It claims in the add that they have easy to swallow caplets, these are not caplets, they are freaking horse pills. Each one is the size of an ice cube. The smell is so nasty it makes me gag. Everytime I open the jar my girls gets pissed at me from the smell. I have to wash my hands after taking them because it smells like I massaged a horses ass with my hand. It is the nastiest, worst supplement out there.
Seriously buyer beware. Stay the f*ck away from Ultimate Nutrition Amino-Bolic. It is just plain gross shit.
Sounds like a good ol' batch of liver aminos maybe? :-X
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Psssshhh! Horse pills are for pansies! You're not hardcore unless your pills are the size of a tv remote! And you take 11 of them at a time!
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bee pollen (I think I fell for that one many years ago)
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I would have to say the most worthless and biggest scam was those Myostatin blockers that Pinnacle, Cytodyne and one other company teamed up to market.
They were so overpriced and really did NOTHING.
There are a lot of bad supplement companies out there just to get your money...
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That post made me laugh.
I don't think I will be trying Amino-Bolic in the near future.
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bought some viraloid at local GNC for 7.99 only to find out it was a snake oil / skam based on opinions and testimonials from some on the board.
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glutamine is useless for bodybuilding.
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glutamine is useless for bodybuilding.
I've seen alot of disussion going both ways on this one.
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I've seen alot of disussion going both ways on this one.
for a bodybuilder its useless. many studies support this. so i would say its pretty well established that glutamine is totally worthless for a bodybuilder.
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I got jackshit out of glutamine.........tried it for lengthly periods at various dosages,noticed absoulutely nothing.
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I got jackshit out of glutamine.........tried it for lengthly periods at various dosages,noticed absoulutely nothing.
just your empty wallet :)
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I got jackshit out of glutamine.........tried it for lengthly periods at various dosages,noticed absoulutely nothing.
dude i keep telling people on this site that there is TONS of research on pubmed showing it has absolutely no anabolic effects for one, and little is absorbed from the gut, and what is absorbed goes into gluconeogenesis.
here are the effects of glutatmine, and the only reasons i think people should take it.
digestion
sleep(dopimenergic, and possible gabanergic effects)
possible immunomodulating
of those, i would take it if i had a bowel disorder or sleep issues(wouldnt be my first choice though).
it is not worth supplementing from a bodybuilding perspective.
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I fell for this one in highschool.
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ANYTHING FROM MUSCLE ASYLUM PROJECT- SINCE ITS FROM THE SAME COMPANY THAT OWNS MUSCLETECH
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koolie
8 posts in 22 minutes all bashing said company. Enough.
We get it.
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ussmokepole is dead on about glutamine...EXCEPT, it does help bodybuilders with the sleep thing, because it not only helps you get put to sleep, but it raises gh levels slightly while you sleep. (at least, supposedly)
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ussmokepole is dead on about glutamine...EXCEPT, it does help bodybuilders with the sleep thing, because it not only helps you get put to sleep, but it raises gh levels slightly while you sleep. (at least, supposedly)
I'm pretty sure that was completely debunked (about the GH part) a while ago.
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I'm pretty sure that was completely debunked (about the GH part) a while ago.
yes
it is not anabolic at all.
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I got a couple of bottles of M1T from a buddy last month, he swears by them and claimed he's kept all the gains from his last cycle. I looked up this stuff by searching here and other sites, what I gathered was this was an oral similar to D-Ball that was marketed as a prohormone and then banned.
I ustarted out with one (10mg) a day and then 2 (20 mg) felt pumped and full but without the serious D-Ball bloat. BUT the cramping I experienced was terrible. Couldn't run on the treadmill because my calves would cramp. All the D-Ball sides I hate I experienced: calves cramping, abs cramping etc.
Is there any way around this or should I just chuck them and go on Sust and Tren ??
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I got a couple of bottles of M1T from a buddy last month, he swears by them and claimed he's kept all the gains from his last cycle. I looked up this stuff by searching here and other sites, what I gathered was this was an oral similar to D-Ball that was marketed as a prohormone and then banned.
I ustarted out with one (10mg) a day and then 2 (20 mg) felt pumped and full but without the serious D-Ball bloat. BUT the cramping I experienced was terrible. Couldn't run on the treadmill because my calves would cramp. All the D-Ball sides I hate I experienced: calves cramping, abs cramping etc.
Is there any way around this or should I just chuck them and go on Sust and Tren ??
dont throw it away...ill pay pal you for shipping... if there is still enough left for a decent cycle..what brand is it?
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dont throw it away...ill pay pal you for shipping... if there is still enough left for a decent cycle..what brand is it?
stay away from m1t dude, if your going to take some drugs and at your age at least get something decent. your looking at the most hepatoxic, most potent oral around. for strength i would rank it higher then anadrol, the shit is potent. the sides are horrid, and the massive drop in the HPTA, leaves you in a nice depression afterwards. its too strong to fast, and cuts your nuts off.
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stay away from m1t dude, if your going to take some drugs and at your age at least get something decent. your looking at the most hepatoxic, most potent oral around. for strength i would rank it higher then anadrol, the shit is potent. the sides are horrid, and the massive drop in the HPTA, leaves you in a nice depression afterwards. its too strong to fast, and cuts your nuts off.
hmmmmm yeah i know.... im fucking sick and tired of being small(by bodybuilding standards at least)...i spend 24/7 365 totally emersed in this sport and i just look like i have a muscular athletic build...like a middle linebacker or something... i want to look big and freaky like a fucking alien!
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hmmmmm yeah i know.... im fucking sick and tired of being small(by bodybuilding standards at least)...i spend 24/7 365 totally emersed in this sport and i just look like i have a muscular athletic build...like a middle linebacker or something... i want to look big and freaky like a fucking alien!
Screw being small. Get on a test and deca cycle and get big. You only live once, so what are you waiting for?
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Screw being small. Get on a test and deca cycle and get big. You only live once, so what are you waiting for?
lol.
but seriously candidate i no you mentioned your issues and your mood disorder and if there is one thing i know decently its psychiatry and taking drugs is asking for problems, i know from experience and research. its obvious you have an obsessive personality often a symptom of anxiety and going into drugs with that mindset is a quick road to being fucked up.
its up to you i have just seen a few go through hell and have seen a few issues triggered by hormonal changes. fuck it though, its your life do what you will but if i would recommend any drug it would be a test ester like cyp, or even prop to mitigate water retention perhaps front loaded with a oral like dbol etc. taking orals alone=no gains and the quick up and down nature3-6 weeks max with most being2-4 are hard on the mind. you get addicted to the strength and bloat and its gone in a couple weeks with you keeping no gains and if proper pct is not there, weight loss.
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lol.
but seriously candidate i no you mentioned your issues and your mood disorder and if there is one thing i know decently its psychiatry and taking drugs is asking for problems, i know from experience and research. its obvious you have an obsessive personality often a symptom of anxiety and going into drugs with that mindset is a quick road to being fucked up.
its up to you i have just seen a few go through hell and have seen a few issues triggered by hormonal changes. fuck it though, its your life do what you will but if i would recommend any drug it would be a test ester like cyp, or even prop to mitigate water retention perhaps front loaded with a oral like dbol etc. taking orals alone=no gains and the quick up and down nature3-6 weeks max with most being2-4 are hard on the mind. you get addicted to the strength and bloat and its gone in a couple weeks with you keeping no gains and if proper pct is not there, weight loss.
Agree.
As much as we all Debussey pick on Candizzle (for valid reasons ;D), he should not come near any drug, for the reasons you just gave. He'll might fuck himself up long term, for some short term gratification.
After seeing many people going that the juice road, Debussey = yet to see anybody come out of it as an improved person with a better life. Add in Candizzles current problems = very bad prognosis.
hmmmmm yeah i know.... im fucking sick and tired of being small(by bodybuilding standards at least)...i spend 24/7 365 totally emersed in this sport and i just look like i have a muscular athletic build...like a middle linebacker or something... i want to look big and freaky like a fucking alien!
youve been down this road allready with your cocaine shit and stuff. You seriously need somebody to slap some sense into ya, because you aint gonna come out well after doing roids regularly for 5+ years (dont post some bs about only 1 cycle..), especially not with your mood disorder and shit.
Ill stop picking on ya from now on :-X. Smarten up dude..
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Alot of people on the board killing No-Xplode but the product has won awards in recent years (from what I've researched) and personally, I use the product and think it's pretty good. I guess everyone is different which makes the board a good tool.
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some real good advice in this thread
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Hey Im in australia so I don't know if its a world wide product but I brought some vital strength muscle weight gainer today 1kg for 38$ I know its not a major brand but it seems good.
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Screw being small. Get on a test and deca cycle and get big. You only live once, so what are you waiting for?
hmmmmm i think you might be a prophet, debussey! ;D
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Hey remember this commercial
Whatever happened to FlexFire and Hotstuff anyway? I remember that sh*t had everything in it.
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for a bodybuilder its useless. many studies support this. so i would say its pretty well established that glutamine is totally worthless for a bodybuilder.
WORTHELSS FOR THE BODYBUILDER, BUT GREAT FOR BRAIN POWER IN BBING YOU DONT NEED TO USE YOUR BRAIN, BUT FLEX YOUR MUSCLES.
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I think by everything working differently for different people, it's kinda hard to say. But I do believe most MuscleTech products to be overhyped, and typically a waste of money for what you get from them. If they stop trying to overhype push them and actually not give false expectations they'd be okay. Also, if they didn't have 5000 products that indirectly do the same damn thing... ??? ::) :-\ :-X
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I think by everything working differently for different people, it's kinda hard to say. But I do believe most MuscleTech products to be overhyped, and typically a waste of money for what you get from them. If they stop trying to overhype push them and actually not give false expectations they'd be okay. Also, if they didn't have 5000 products that indirectly do the same damn thing... ??? ::) :-\ :-X
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In my experience, they are all completely useless for bodybuilding.
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Muscle is too PRICEY, but i see ads everywhere , so i assume many people are buying it. i think they are soo prciey bc they have too many BBers on the payroll, unlike ON or animal
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I haven't read the whole thread, but here is my "quick" opinion!
I believe if you are gaining weight, the less supps you need. its when you start losing you need to tweak here and there. and its very individual!
what should someone be "on" most of the time?
a pre workout (either company or home-made)
a post workout recovery (pro, creatine, etc)
an isolate, and a casien
and a great multi
everything else comes after all of those are in check IMO!
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Non-recommended Supplements
Cell Tech (over priced)
Muscle Tech (over priced)
HMB
Carb Blockers
Myostatin Inhibitors
NO2 (just get some L-arginine)
Some Thermogenics
Andro Poppers
Most Protein bars
Fizgen ON Cycle HC
1-TU
Z-test
Boldione
Good Supplements
L-arginine
1AD
M1T
Nitrix
Glutamine
BCAA's
Nlarge II
Thanks to Squats Rule for the idea and for all those others who put in. Also if you see something here you disagree with or know of any other supplements you have tried that are useless or way to expensive for what you get please post. Also add supplements that you have had good results form.
Carb Blockers - really I can not believe any one would even consider using such a thing!