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Snowflakes melting over a man's devotion to his wife. I'm trying to feel amazed by the depths these people will stoop, but I'm not.
How Mike Pence's Marriage Became Fodder for the Culture Wars
Outrage over the vice president's approach to marriage reveals how deeply gender divides American culture.
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Vice President Mike Pence with his wife, KarenDavid Becker / Reuters
EMMA GREEN
The Washington Post ran a profile of Karen Pence, the wife of Vice President Mike Pence, on Wednesday. The piece talks about the closeness of the Pences’ relationship, and cites something Pence told The Hill in 2002: Unless his wife is there, he never eats alone with another woman or attends an event where alcohol is being served. (It’s unclear whether, 15 years later, this remains Pence’s practice.) It’s not in the Post piece, but here’s the original quote from 2002: “‘If there's alcohol being served and people are being loose, I want to have the best-looking brunette in the room standing next to me,’ Pence said.”
Some folks—mostly journalists and entertainers on Twitter—have reacted with surprise, anger, and sarcasm to the Pence family rule. Socially liberal or non-religious people may see Pence’s practice as misogynistic or bizarre. For a lot of conservative religious people, though, this set-up probably sounds normal, or even wise. The dust-up shows how radically notions of gender divide American culture.
Pence is not the first contemporary public figure to set these kinds of boundaries around his marriage. He seems to be following a version of the so-called Billy Graham rule, named for the famous evangelist who established similar guidelines for the pastors working in his ministry. In his autobiography, Graham notes that he and his colleagues worried about the temptations of sexual immorality that come from long days on the road and a lot of time away from family. They resolved to “avoid any situation that would even have the appearance of compromise or suspicion.” From that day on, Graham said, he “did not travel, meet, or eat alone with a woman other than my wife.” It was a way of following Paul’s advice to Timothy in the Bible, Graham wrote: to “flee … youthful lusts.”
The Hill article gives more context on how the Pences were thinking about this, at least back in 2002. Pence told the paper he often refused dinner or cocktail invitations from male colleagues, too: “It’s about building a zone around your marriage,” he said. “I don’t think it’s a predatory town, but I think you can inadvertently send the wrong message by being in [certain] situations.”
The 2002 article notes that Pence arrived in Congress a half decade after the 1994 “Republican revolution,” when Newt Gingrich was the speaker of the House. Several congressional marriages, including Gingrich’s, encountered difficulty that year. Pence seemed wary of this. “I’ve lost more elections than I’ve won,” he said. “I’ve seen friends lose their families. I’d rather lose an election.” He even said he gets fingers wagged in his face by concerned Indianans. “Little old ladies come and say, ‘Honey, whatever you need to do, keep your family together,’” he told The Hill.
These comments show that the Pences have a distinctively conservative approach toward family, sex, and gender. This is by no means the way that all Christians, or even all evangelical Christians like the Pences, navigate married life. But traditional religious people from other backgrounds may practice something similar. Many Orthodox Jews follow the laws of yichud, which prohibit unmarried men and women from being alone in a closed room together. Some Muslim men and women also refuse to be together alone if they’re not married. These practices all have different histories and origins, but they’re rooted in the same belief: The sanctity of marriage should be protected, and sexual immorality should be guarded against at all costs.
That idea might seem disorienting to more socially progressive Americans. For one thing, it shows a deep awareness of gender and sexuality: The implication is that temptations to flirt or cheat are present in everyday interactions.
Some journalists on Twitter quickly pointed out that Pence’s rules may function, in practice, to perpetuate professional and political disadvantages against women. If men in power can meet alone with other men but not women, they’ll just keep doing the business of being powerful in an all-male world. And it parallels critiques of the Billy Graham Rule that’ve been leveled within the evangelical community, as well, where it’s also been blamed for subjecting professional relationships to the logic of a sexually permissive society.
Other critics connected these views to Pence’s stance on LGBT issues. When he was governor of Indiana, he presided over a controversial religious-freedom bill that, LGBT advocates claimed, would have allowed business owners to discriminate against them. Pence’s marriage rules implicitly suggest there’s a temptation in being alone with women, but not in being alone with men, which is not the experience of a lot of people, including LGBT Christians.
But it’s also true that these aren’t just rules by, for, and about Mike Pence. This is how he and his wife, together, have chosen to navigate their marriage. That some people are so quick to be angered—and others are totally unsurprised—shows how how divided America has become about the fundamental claim embedded in the Pence family rule: that understandings of gender should guide the boundaries around people’s everyday interactions, and protecting a marriage should take precedence over all else, even if the way of doing it seems strange to some, and imposes costs on others.
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/03/pence-wife-billy-graham-rule/521298/
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But traditional religious people from other backgrounds may practice something similar. Many Orthodox Jews follow the laws of yichud, which prohibit unmarried men and women from being alone in a closed room together. Some Muslim men and women also refuse to be together alone if they’re not married. These practices all have different histories and origins, but they’re rooted in the same belief: The sanctity of marriage should be protected, and sexual immorality should be guarded against at all costs.
And that is the reason why those marriages last, and the wife/children are more likely to be happy in these homes.
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Another reason why liberals are so damn ignorant.
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The absolute craziness that gets a voice in today's America is mind blowing. Major problems on our hands when there are more then 5 people who think this way.
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Crazy fucks.
To me it looks like he's a man with principles and huge respect to his wife. Hard to find anything wrong in it.
And it's not a "gender thing" as the commie-press always tries to portray everything.
You can be young with honor and you can be old with no honor.
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One can also ask why tend the religious and moderately religious people end up successful in life = in cabinets of power.
It's work ethics. One of the greatest things of heritage of the Christianity. In addition to current justice system.
If everyone lived like the harshest critics of conservatives, people would only fuck with their same sex family members while drugged up and come and go as they please. Nobody would be there keeping the society running and in order. You know, doing the boring conservative stuff.
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Oh this isn't new... look at how people talked shit about Obama and Michelle in regards to their marriage and children.
Hardly an issue here.
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LOL - fundies are suddenly so sensitive
Funny how they have no problem criticizing and judging everyone else's relationships
BTW - I'll bet $100 that Pence is a fucking liar (goes with the territory of being a fundie)
No fucking way he's not attended an event where alcohol is present without his wife being there at some time in his married life
Also, why is he so insecure that he can't attend an event with alcohol or can't have a meal with another women.
Is his marriage that fragile or is his will power so weak he needs his wife to help him to avoid tempation.
Pence clearly shared this info about himself and I wonder why he felt the need to share this info
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Surprisingly also those inbred skinny fats (liberals) don't have problem with muzzies who can't even shake hands with females ???
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Surprisingly also those inbred skinny fats (liberals) don't have problem with muzzies who can't even shake hands with females ???
that's of course total bullshit
Most liberals condemn Muslims for their misogyny (and that's putting it kindly)
They treat women like property
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And that is the reason why those marriages last, and the wife/children are more likely to be happy in these homes.
I agree.
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that's of course total bullshit
Most liberals condemn Muslims for their misogyny (and that's putting it kindly)
They treat women like property
Is that before or after they take donations from them in return for meetings?
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Is that before or after they take donations from them in return for meetings?
LOL
are you talking about "liberals" or one specific person and something you think they did and adding some meaning you think it has...and they painting all "liberals" ?
we can play that same game with Republicans (we can spin wheel and see if the donations are from China, Russia, Muslims, etc.. )
seriously wtf ?
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Snowflakes melting over a man's devotion to his wife. I'm trying to feel amazed by the depths these people will stoop, but I'm not.
How Mike Pence's Marriage Became Fodder for the Culture Wars
Outrage over the vice president's approach to marriage reveals how deeply gender divides American culture.
(https://cdn.theatlantic.com/assets/media/img/mt/2017/03/RTS108KY/lead_960.jpg?1490879519)
Vice President Mike Pence with his wife, KarenDavid Becker / Reuters
EMMA GREEN
The Washington Post ran a profile of Karen Pence, the wife of Vice President Mike Pence, on Wednesday. The piece talks about the closeness of the Pences’ relationship, and cites something Pence told The Hill in 2002: Unless his wife is there, he never eats alone with another woman or attends an event where alcohol is being served. (It’s unclear whether, 15 years later, this remains Pence’s practice.) It’s not in the Post piece, but here’s the original quote from 2002: “‘If there's alcohol being served and people are being loose, I want to have the best-looking brunette in the room standing next to me,’ Pence said.”
Some folks—mostly journalists and entertainers on Twitter—have reacted with surprise, anger, and sarcasm to the Pence family rule. Socially liberal or non-religious people may see Pence’s practice as misogynistic or bizarre. For a lot of conservative religious people, though, this set-up probably sounds normal, or even wise. The dust-up shows how radically notions of gender divide American culture.
Pence is not the first contemporary public figure to set these kinds of boundaries around his marriage. He seems to be following a version of the so-called Billy Graham rule, named for the famous evangelist who established similar guidelines for the pastors working in his ministry. In his autobiography, Graham notes that he and his colleagues worried about the temptations of sexual immorality that come from long days on the road and a lot of time away from family. They resolved to “avoid any situation that would even have the appearance of compromise or suspicion.” From that day on, Graham said, he “did not travel, meet, or eat alone with a woman other than my wife.” It was a way of following Paul’s advice to Timothy in the Bible, Graham wrote: to “flee … youthful lusts.”
The Hill article gives more context on how the Pences were thinking about this, at least back in 2002. Pence told the paper he often refused dinner or cocktail invitations from male colleagues, too: “It’s about building a zone around your marriage,” he said. “I don’t think it’s a predatory town, but I think you can inadvertently send the wrong message by being in [certain] situations.”
The 2002 article notes that Pence arrived in Congress a half decade after the 1994 “Republican revolution,” when Newt Gingrich was the speaker of the House. Several congressional marriages, including Gingrich’s, encountered difficulty that year. Pence seemed wary of this. “I’ve lost more elections than I’ve won,” he said. “I’ve seen friends lose their families. I’d rather lose an election.” He even said he gets fingers wagged in his face by concerned Indianans. “Little old ladies come and say, ‘Honey, whatever you need to do, keep your family together,’” he told The Hill.
These comments show that the Pences have a distinctively conservative approach toward family, sex, and gender. This is by no means the way that all Christians, or even all evangelical Christians like the Pences, navigate married life. But traditional religious people from other backgrounds may practice something similar. Many Orthodox Jews follow the laws of yichud, which prohibit unmarried men and women from being alone in a closed room together. Some Muslim men and women also refuse to be together alone if they’re not married. These practices all have different histories and origins, but they’re rooted in the same belief: The sanctity of marriage should be protected, and sexual immorality should be guarded against at all costs.
That idea might seem disorienting to more socially progressive Americans. For one thing, it shows a deep awareness of gender and sexuality: The implication is that temptations to flirt or cheat are present in everyday interactions.
Some journalists on Twitter quickly pointed out that Pence’s rules may function, in practice, to perpetuate professional and political disadvantages against women. If men in power can meet alone with other men but not women, they’ll just keep doing the business of being powerful in an all-male world. And it parallels critiques of the Billy Graham Rule that’ve been leveled within the evangelical community, as well, where it’s also been blamed for subjecting professional relationships to the logic of a sexually permissive society.
Other critics connected these views to Pence’s stance on LGBT issues. When he was governor of Indiana, he presided over a controversial religious-freedom bill that, LGBT advocates claimed, would have allowed business owners to discriminate against them. Pence’s marriage rules implicitly suggest there’s a temptation in being alone with women, but not in being alone with men, which is not the experience of a lot of people, including LGBT Christians.
But it’s also true that these aren’t just rules by, for, and about Mike Pence. This is how he and his wife, together, have chosen to navigate their marriage. That some people are so quick to be angered—and others are totally unsurprised—shows how how divided America has become about the fundamental claim embedded in the Pence family rule: that understandings of gender should guide the boundaries around people’s everyday interactions, and protecting a marriage should take precedence over all else, even if the way of doing it seems strange to some, and imposes costs on others.
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/03/pence-wife-billy-graham-rule/521298/
yeah, Dems are so harsh
no shortage of actual melting snowflakes on your side
http://www.inquisitr.com/opinion/4111544/michelle-and-barack-obama-woes-dilemma-over-daughter-malia-sowing-wild-oats
she is going to have 3 abortions by 25 and be in a shelter along w o-twink.
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It seems a little odd, but you know what, if it keeps him virtuous to his wife, who am I to judge what or how he shows his wife he respects her?
It's their marriage and if that's what he chooses to do, good for him.
Why anyone would worry about his marriage to his ONE WIFE after all these years is fucking stupid. If you want to make fun of someone's marriages, try the guy at the top.
He's only been married 3 fucking times and cheated on the first two with the next one.
Leave Mike Pence and his decency alone. Fucking morons.
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It seems a little odd, but you know what, if it keeps him virtuous to his wife, who am I to judge what or how he shows his wife he respects her?
It's their marriage and if that's what he chooses to do, good for him.
Why anyone would worry about his marriage to his ONE WIFE after all these years is fucking stupid. If you want to make fun of someone's marriages, try the guy at the top.
He's only been married 3 fucking times and cheated on the first two with the next one.
Leave Mike Pence and his decency alone. Fucking morons.
perfect role model for the party that likes to lecture the country about family values
also kind of ironic that the same political partys main source of faux news/propaganda appears to have had a longstanding culture of sexually harassing women
Can you imagine how our resident mental patient would have reacted if Michelle Obama decided to stay in Chicago rather than move into the White House
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perfect role model for the party that likes to lecture the country about family values
also kind of ironic that the same political partys main source of faux news/propaganda appears to have had a longstanding culture of sexually harassing women
Can you imagine how our resident mental patient would have reacted if Michelle Obama decided to stay in Chicago rather than move into the White House
Well, I don't want to muddy the waters on points. I'm just saying that the way Mike Pence chooses to show his wife that he is faithful is his own business. I don't see him doing anything wrong and I don't think it's something to even make fun of or choose to point a finger at.
His relationship with his wife is his and his alone. It's no one else's business.
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Well, I don't want to muddy the waters on points. I'm just saying that the way Mike Pence chooses to show his wife that he is faithful is his own business. I don't see him doing anything wrong and I don't think it's something to even make fun of or choose to point a finger at.
His relationship with his wife is his and his alone. It's no one else's business.
I haven't heard anyone suggesting he is doing something "wrong"
He's just a bit weird and people in this day and age (and especially on the internet) are going to have fun with that
No shortage of fundies feeling compelled to make comments about other peoples relationships
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It seems a little odd, but you know what, if it keeps him virtuous to his wife, who am I to judge what or how he shows his wife he respects her?
It's their marriage and if that's what he chooses to do, good for him.
Why anyone would worry about his marriage to his ONE WIFE after all these years is fucking stupid. If you want to make fun of someone's marriages, try the guy at the top.
He's only been married 3 fucking times and cheated on the first two with the next one.
Leave Mike Pence and his decency alone. Fucking morons.
I agree about Pence. Really a shame that people can be so blinded by partisanship that they cannot appreciate a man who is devoted to his wife, especially these days.
I somewhat disagree about Trump. Cannot condone him screwing around on his prior wives, but if he is in a committed relationship with his current wife and they are happy, then that's all that matters IMO.
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I agree about Pence. Really a shame that people can be so blinded by partisanship that they cannot appreciate a man who is devoted to his wife, especially these days.
I somewhat disagree about Trump. Cannot condone him screwing around on his prior wives, but if he is in a committed relationship with his current wife and they are happy, then that's all that matters IMO.
Don't get me wrong, I don't care about Trump and his wife's relationship either. It's their business. My point was just that IF you're the type of person to care about that stuff and think that it matters, then Pence is the wrong guy to be pointing fingers at.
The POTUS has a much sketchier past than Pence has or ever will most likely.
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Don't get me wrong, I don't care about Trump and his wife's relationship either. It's their business. My point was just that IF you're the type of person to care about that stuff and think that it matters, then Pence is the wrong guy to be pointing fingers at.
The POTUS has a much sketchier past than Pence has or ever will most likely.
True. I don't think it's anyone's place to be throwing stones at either one of them, unless Pence or Trump are making fidelity an issue, like Gary Hart.
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Pence is just a realist.
He knows if he was alone with another woman he would not be able to control himself and would ravage her.
Thats why all these religious nuts like Pence and the Muslims want these strict rules and laws regarding the other sex.
They are potential rapists but wont acknowledge that they are sick so instead they try to impose their rules on everybody.
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Thats why all these religious nuts like Pence want these strict rules and laws regarding the other sex.
YES! Repeal the 19th!!!
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Typical liberal garbage - so stupid