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Re: Walmart Holding Canned Food Drive For Its Own Underpaid Employees
« Reply #50 on: November 21, 2013, 08:29:53 PM »
Can I gather from this that you are a shareholder in Walmart or a member of the Walton family?

He might just be a FAIR human being.

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Re: Walmart Holding Canned Food Drive For Its Own Underpaid Employees
« Reply #51 on: November 21, 2013, 08:37:32 PM »
He might just be a FAIR human being.

Define fair.

I did not invent the criticism of Walmart. Walmart is hated by many for many different reasons. In small towns across America, Walmart big box stores have moved in and closed down hoards of main street U.S.A. mom and pop stores. All over Oregon, cities have refused to grant Walmart building permits. The only reason there is a Walmart Store in West Linn, where I live and in lake Oswego a neighboring town is because they downsized their operation to a "neighborhood market" and moved into existing vacated grocery stores. Sadly for Walmart investors, these two neighbor markets don't appear to be very successful. But then, West Linn and Lake Oswego are wealthy neighborhoods and we wealthy folks don't like to be seen hobnobbing with Walmart shoppers....this is a joke, BTW.

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Re: Walmart Holding Canned Food Drive For Its Own Underpaid Employees
« Reply #52 on: November 21, 2013, 08:40:19 PM »
and we wealthy folks don't like to be seen hobnobbing with Walmart shoppers....this is a joke, BTW.

lol

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Re: Walmart Holding Canned Food Drive For Its Own Underpaid Employees
« Reply #53 on: November 21, 2013, 09:45:31 PM »
WMT and most other grocery stores demonize unions like crazy.   I worked at probably ten different stores as I moved around during high school and college.   And every damn one of them papered the break room with "Why you don't need unions" and  managers were very good at telling us how unions hold us back. 

While I'm very much against the corrupt nature of unions... I think when it's walmart against SomePoorSchmoe, the house always wins.

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Re: Walmart Holding Canned Food Drive For Its Own Underpaid Employees
« Reply #54 on: November 21, 2013, 11:29:11 PM »
Can I gather from this that you are a shareholder in Walmart or a member of the Walton family?

I'm neither and agree with Dario. Are they not entitled to the fruits of their labour? They don't have to give anyone anything nor do you have any right in asking UNLESS you bring more value to the business. This idea of handouts and money for nothing sound very strange coming from an American forum. If you want to be a socialist state, vote for it then.
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Re: Walmart Holding Canned Food Drive For Its Own Underpaid Employees
« Reply #55 on: November 22, 2013, 12:37:52 AM »
If you want to be a socialist state, vote for it then.

It's coming...  :-[

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Re: Walmart Holding Canned Food Drive For Its Own Underpaid Employees
« Reply #56 on: November 22, 2013, 02:18:16 AM »
It's coming...  :-[

so are you a regular shopper at dullfart?

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Re: Walmart Holding Canned Food Drive For Its Own Underpaid Employees
« Reply #57 on: November 22, 2013, 05:41:38 AM »
these same morons on here complain about welfare and handouts,and in the same breath stick up for walmart paying these wages that a person can't live on,so these workers have to subsidize their income with tax payers money,while the waltons are making 20 billion a year. FOX NEWS SMART

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Re: Walmart Holding Canned Food Drive For Its Own Underpaid Employees
« Reply #58 on: November 22, 2013, 06:03:26 AM »

just as long as you don't mind subsidizing the rest of the money they need to live on than there is no problem
right.
 it would be easier to make a class system and those poor folk can live in housing compounds right next to walmart. then wages dont have to go up-they keep housing, meals and they can be life time workers for the corporation.   ;)
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Re: Walmart Holding Canned Food Drive For Its Own Underpaid Employees
« Reply #59 on: November 22, 2013, 08:56:59 AM »
these same morons on here complain about welfare and handouts,and in the same breath stick up for walmart paying these wages that a person can't live on,so these workers have to subsidize their income with tax payers money,while the waltons are making 20 billion a year. FOX NEWS SMART

You are the biggest moron on this board.

Pay attention just this once because this is the last time I am going to address your stupidity on this board.

Conservatives stand for people providing for themselves. Not depending on the government. These people DON'T HAVE to work at walmart and continue earning low wages. They can either go to another company that is willing to pay more for their skills or they can improve their skills by going to school. It doesn't even have to be a university with all the specialized schools around. Even in this decrepit economy there are some industries that chug along inspite of the stupid liberals.

There is no discrepancy in what we are saying. People shouldn't be on welfare when they can lift themselves up and improve their stock themselves. People need to stop depending on others and stop expecting others to support them. That is the stupid entitlement, welfare state that libtards promote which has been the biggest obstacle to these people and the economy prospering.

Is it Walmart's fault that these people can't live on what they pay them? Do you know who these people are? Do you know how they manage their finances?

It is not Walmart's fault, nor should it be their concern. It should only be of concern to the employee. If the employee can't live on what he earns let him/her take advantage of the opportunities available to get out of that situation or find another form of employment.


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Re: Walmart Holding Canned Food Drive For Its Own Underpaid Employees
« Reply #60 on: November 22, 2013, 09:29:52 AM »
these same morons on here complain about welfare and handouts,and in the same breath stick up for walmart paying these wages that a person can't live on,so these workers have to subsidize their income with tax payers money,while the waltons are making 20 billion a year. FOX NEWS SMART

You haven't explained how this would happen.  Does the government pass a law forcing Walmart to limit it's profit margin and redirect that money to employees? 

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Re: Walmart Holding Canned Food Drive For Its Own Underpaid Employees
« Reply #61 on: November 22, 2013, 10:22:54 AM »
You haven't explained how this would happen.  Does the government pass a law forcing Walmart to limit it's profit margin and redirect that money to employees? 

Probably what the dummy wants. Can't debate with someone brought up on the idea that you're owed something.
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Re: Walmart Holding Canned Food Drive For Its Own Underpaid Employees
« Reply #62 on: November 22, 2013, 12:05:00 PM »
You are the biggest moron on this board.

Pay attention just this once because this is the last time I am going to address your stupidity on this board.

Conservatives stand for people providing for themselves. Not depending on the government. These people DON'T HAVE to work at walmart and continue earning low wages. They can either go to another company that is willing to pay more for their skills or they can improve their skills by going to school. It doesn't even have to be a university with all the specialized schools around. Even in this decrepit economy there are some industries that chug along inspite of the stupid liberals.

There is no discrepancy in what we are saying. People shouldn't be on welfare when they can lift themselves up and improve their stock themselves. People need to stop depending on others and stop expecting others to support them. That is the stupid entitlement, welfare state that libtards promote which has been the biggest obstacle to these people and the economy prospering.

Is it Walmart's fault that these people can't live on what they pay them? Do you know who these people are? Do you know how they manage their finances?

It is not Walmart's fault, nor should it be their concern. It should only be of concern to the employee. If the employee can't live on what he earns let him/her take advantage of the opportunities available to get out of that situation or find another form of employment.

typ. christain hypocrite,love thy neighbor just as long as they stay away and don't bother me or need anything.it's not walmart's fault if you can't live on 10 dollars an hour  :D :D :D I,m sure it,s the employees fault they can't manange their 10 an hour  :D :D oh and I,m glad your not going to address any of my post any more because you are as dumb as a bag of rocks,just stick to your talking snakes and 800 year old boat builders,that's about you speed

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Re: Walmart Holding Canned Food Drive For Its Own Underpaid Employees
« Reply #63 on: November 22, 2013, 12:29:50 PM »
Actually idiot he did a good job. Being christian has nothing to do this at all. If people don't want to work there, then don't. Why is this my problem. The folks at Walmart are only responsible to the shareholders...period. Would u prefer to pay higher prices....fine go to Target or whatever. I don't like walmart and would prefer mom and pop stores but thats a preference and not subject to government intervention..u get this is still America right? Your prefered method of economic governance has proven to be a historic failure.
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Re: Walmart Holding Canned Food Drive For Its Own Underpaid Employees
« Reply #64 on: November 22, 2013, 01:27:17 PM »
Actually idiot he did a good job. Being christian has nothing to do this at all. If people don't want to work there, then don't. Why is this my problem. The folks at Walmart are only responsible to the shareholders...period. Would u prefer to pay higher prices....fine go to Target or whatever. I don't like walmart and would prefer mom and pop stores but thats a preference and not subject to government intervention..u get this is still America right? Your prefered method of economic governance has proven to be a historic failure.
the employees should all quit; all of them.
then watch walmart try and have a black friday without anyone working.
then when they rehire the wages should go up.
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Re: Walmart Holding Canned Food Drive For Its Own Underpaid Employees
« Reply #65 on: November 22, 2013, 01:38:29 PM »
these same morons on here complain about welfare and handouts,and in the same breath stick up for walmart paying these wages that a person can't live on,so these workers have to subsidize their income with tax payers money,while the waltons are making 20 billion a year. FOX NEWS SMART

Typical Obama Voter... lol

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Re: Walmart Holding Canned Food Drive For Its Own Underpaid Employees
« Reply #66 on: November 22, 2013, 02:00:26 PM »
I'm neither and agree with Dario. Are they not entitled to the fruits of their labour? They don't have to give anyone anything nor do you have any right in asking UNLESS you bring more value to the business. This idea of handouts and money for nothing sound very strange coming from an American forum. If you want to be a socialist state, vote for it then.

Employees are what make businesses like Walmart a success. The often meager wages they earn is not a handout, as you put it.

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Re: Walmart Holding Canned Food Drive For Its Own Underpaid Employees
« Reply #67 on: November 22, 2013, 02:13:03 PM »
Employees are what make businesses like Walmart a success. The often meager wages they earn is not a handout, as you put it.

No one is forcing them to agree to those terms though. If they're in a bad situation it's 100% their fault.

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Re: Walmart Holding Canned Food Drive For Its Own Underpaid Employees
« Reply #68 on: November 22, 2013, 03:02:11 PM »
I rarely even go into a WalMart parking lot. But when I do occasionally venture into one of the stores, I find the few employees I actually see to mostly be just killing time, and of little or no help at all in most cases. They seem to lack knowledge, initiative, and concern for the customer as a whole. Years ago I actually had one fat broad working behind the deli counter roll her eyes at me and sigh audibly when I asked her to slice my roast beef.

I actually worked in retail myself for a few years in HS and college, and that type of slacker can't expect to get anywhere. I was able to get raises and promotions due to working hard and having a good attitude, while those who didn't want to work hard, serve the customer, and have a good attitude were either stuck making the low wages or occasionally shown the door. I spent several years at a local store of one of the largest retail grocery chains, and was offered a slot in their management trainee program after college due to my drive and ambition. But I had other plans.

As for the wages, I'm all for anyone earning as much as they can. But no employer should be forced to pay ridiculous salaries to people (even at the executive level) who don't perform at a high level and don't do highly valuable or highly specialized work, or who don't otherwise contribute significantly to revenue.

An executive shouldn't be earning millions or more if the company's stock is not performing. And no unskilled worker should expect to start out at $50k a year for bagging groceries. If companies are forced to pay higher wages, they will lay some off, close some stores, and do other things to cut corners.

As for the rest of us subsidizing the lower wage earners, we're at a point where entitlements are out of control already. People need to learn that they can't live like rappers or pro athletes (who usually end up broke themselves anyway) working those lower paying jobs. Those who apply for such subsidies need to be trained on how to budget, prioritize, etc. on what they have. If they want to try to live anything like Jay Z, they first need a reality check, then they need to realize that they need skills, education, work ethic, develop their talents, network, etc. Almost anything is possible (or was) here in America, but you'll either have to work your way up several levels at Walmart to be a "baller", or else move on to bigger things.

Cut entitlements and teach responsible living rather than force companies to overpay employees. And don't force tax payers to pay for those peoples' cell phones, new cars, rims, steaks and shrimp, high dollar apartments and homes they can't afford, etc either.   
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Re: Walmart Holding Canned Food Drive For Its Own Underpaid Employees
« Reply #69 on: November 22, 2013, 08:27:11 PM »
I rarely even go into a WalMart parking lot. But when I do occasionally venture into one of the stores, I find the few employees I actually see to mostly be just killing time, and of little or no help at all in most cases. They seem to lack knowledge, initiative, and concern for the customer as a whole. Years ago I actually had one fat broad working behind the deli counter roll her eyes at me and sigh audibly when I asked her to slice my roast beef.

I actually worked in retail myself for a few years in HS and college, and that type of slacker can't expect to get anywhere. I was able to get raises and promotions due to working hard and having a good attitude, while those who didn't want to work hard, serve the customer, and have a good attitude were either stuck making the low wages or occasionally shown the door. I spent several years at a local store of one of the largest retail grocery chains, and was offered a slot in their management trainee program after college due to my drive and ambition. But I had other plans.

As for the wages, I'm all for anyone earning as much as they can. But no employer should be forced to pay ridiculous salaries to people (even at the executive level) who don't perform at a high level and don't do highly valuable or highly specialized work, or who don't otherwise contribute significantly to revenue.

An executive shouldn't be earning millions or more if the company's stock is not performing. And no unskilled worker should expect to start out at $50k a year for bagging groceries. If companies are forced to pay higher wages, they will lay some off, close some stores, and do other things to cut corners.

As for the rest of us subsidizing the lower wage earners, we're at a point where entitlements are out of control already. People need to learn that they can't live like rappers or pro athletes (who usually end up broke themselves anyway) working those lower paying jobs. Those who apply for such subsidies need to be trained on how to budget, prioritize, etc. on what they have. If they want to try to live anything like Jay Z, they first need a reality check, then they need to realize that they need skills, education, work ethic, develop their talents, network, etc. Almost anything is possible (or was) here in America, but you'll either have to work your way up several levels at Walmart to be a "baller", or else move on to bigger things.

Cut entitlements and teach responsible living rather than force companies to overpay employees. And don't force tax payers to pay for those peoples' cell phones, new cars, rims, steaks and shrimp, high dollar apartments and homes they can't afford, etc either.  

Since you worked in retail, I hope you will appreciate this comparison between someone working in retail where they have the opportunity to earn a decent living and someone working for minimum wage in a no account, no future job like many of those at companies like Walmart. As I mentioned in other posts, there is both a Walmart neighborhood market and a high end specialty grocery store almost equal distance from my home.

At Market of Choice, the prices are high and yet the parking lot is full all the time. The employees are friendly, helpful, knowledgeable and seem pretty happy. They make a decent living. Their schedules are set and adapted to their other needs, such as class schedules if they are in college as much as possible.  

At the Walmart neighborhood market, the parking lot is often nearly empty. The customer service is seriously lacking. Basically all the visible employees are at the checkout. There seems to be no one to help you locate a product. When my wife shopped there shortly after the store opened, she when to check out, the clerk rung up her items. She presented her bank card and asked that the purchase be processed as a credit. The clerk didn't know how to do this and was somewhat indignant to my wife. -End result, my wife walked out of the store leaving her cart full of groceries at the check out and not paying for them.

A friend of ours daughter worked at Nordstrom's department store in men's wear while she was in college. Nordstrom's guaranteed a decent wage plus commissions on sales. Customer service was paramount and hopefully still is at Nordstrom's. Kari made more working there then a lot of college grads make at the beginning of their chosen careers. Nordstrom's is a very successful company.

Safeway is another store in our neighborhood. Customer service falls somewhere between Walmart and Market of Choice. Safeway employees are unionized. They make better wages then do folks at Walmart.

The bottom line is that when it comes to customer service, we get what we pay for. Starbucks pays their employees a competitive wage and offers benefits. It is rare to get poor customer service at Starbucks. The baristas are well trained and well paid.

Fred Meyer,  an other big box store in the Pacific Northwest is competitive pricewise with Walmart. Fred Meyer employees are unionized. They make decent wages and have some benefits. Fred Meyer is a very successful company, which just goes to prove you don't have to have nearly slave labor and a low price point to succeed. Walmart, i.e. the Walton's and Walmart stockholders are greedy and they seem willing to go to any length to satisfy their greed. Walmart is not the American Dream unless you happen to believe in slavery.

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Re: Walmart Holding Canned Food Drive For Its Own Underpaid Employees
« Reply #70 on: November 23, 2013, 04:35:34 AM »
Employees are what make businesses like Walmart a success. The often meager wages they earn is not a handout, as you put it.

If you pay them more than they're worth, it'll be a hand out.
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Re: Walmart Holding Canned Food Drive For Its Own Underpaid Employees
« Reply #71 on: November 23, 2013, 07:52:27 AM »
How about making 80 billion and not sharing any?

Why share THEIR wealth?

Every one should be able to enjoy the fruits of their labor and should only give back IF THEY WANT since it's their money NOT ANYONE ELSE'S.

We all share the wealth to an extent because we all pay taxes. So the argument isn't about whether the wealth should be shared but of how much. After all, wealth sharing pays for cops, fire service, the roads you drive on etc. I presume people still want this stuff.

Not all "fruits of labor" are good. Not everyone should be able to enjoy the fruits of their labor. I know a gal who trots around in private jets 'cause her husband runs a boiler room. Most would object to this. I certainly do but they enjoy the fruits of their labor.

I don't know if Walmart is a predatory business or not. If it is, then they don't really deserve to enjoy the fruits of their labor whilst still practicing predatory policies.

I think it's a mistake to say all capitalism is good - that if someone is working for $x then that's because the market has decided so. That's rather naive. The idea that capitalism is perfect is nonsense. Any system taken to an extreme will break down. 

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Re: Walmart Holding Canned Food Drive For Its Own Underpaid Employees
« Reply #72 on: November 23, 2013, 07:54:25 AM »
Conservatives stand for people providing for themselves. Not depending on the government.

But this is impossible.

The moment you hit a public road, you are depending on government.

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Re: Walmart Holding Canned Food Drive For Its Own Underpaid Employees
« Reply #73 on: November 23, 2013, 07:54:31 AM »
these same morons on here complain about welfare and handouts,and in the same breath stick up for walmart paying these wages that a person can't live on,so these workers have to subsidize their income with tax payers money,while the waltons are making 20 billion a year. FOX NEWS SMART

I really can't argue with this.  
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Re: Walmart Holding Canned Food Drive For Its Own Underpaid Employees
« Reply #74 on: November 23, 2013, 07:55:45 AM »
If you pay them more than they're worth, it'll be a hand out.

Who decides what they are worth and how?