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Has anyone been following this?
I do not think its a case of owner greed.
I think this one is on the players. The players got a great deal last go around. The players assoc. has a right to lockout but I think they should give a little.
On a side note, I dont think the country really gives two shits about the nba's problems. The nba both players and owners( players especially) don't have the equity with the country like the nfl did to not see an alienation from the fans. They could lose money from this.
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They will play, the players will fold, they get no cheques if they dont play.
Book it.
lebron, kobe etc can afford not to play but there not going to risk not taking a huge pay cheque.
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They're not even close to making a deal. There will not be an NBA season, I'd be shocked if there was. Most NBA teams are losing money, all this while someone like Joe Johnson of the Hawks is on a $100 Million dollar contract? :o
Maybe Hockey becomes relevant again
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They could cancel the whole league and I wouldn't care.
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Who really gives a shit. The NBA product has gotten so bad over the past decade. Such a sissy league now with all of the hand check rules and quickdraw technical fouls by the refs.
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They could cancel the whole league and I wouldn't care.
x1000
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who actually cares to watch the nba in the fall anyways?
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In Letter to Union, Stern Details His Ultimatum
The ultimatum issued by the NBA to its players over the weekend not only threatens them with a worse labor deal, but also a massive pay cut if they do not make a deal by Wednesday afternoon.
A letter sent by David Stern, the commissioner of the N.B.A., to the players union Sunday contrasts the proposal on the table — highlighted by a 50-50 split of revenues — with a “reset” proposal that would cut the players’ share to 47 percent, roll back current contracts, impose a hard salary cap and reduce contract lengths.
The salary rollback, which was part of the N.B.A.’s first controversial proposal in 2010, had not been included in any league proposal for many months, and it was not publicly mentioned by Stern when he announced the ultimatum Saturday night.
But the rollback was included in the letter Stern sent to Billy Hunter, the union’s executive director. A copy of the letter was obtained by The New York Times.
The union has until 5 p.m. Wednesday to accept the N.B.A.’s last proposal or have it replaced by the reset proposal, Stern wrote.
“Rather than simply proceeding, as we could have, to offer a less favorable proposal at this time, the N.B.A. is providing an additional period of time for the players association to consider our 50/50 proposal,” Stern wrote. “We are hopeful that the prospect of a less favorable outcome for the players will prompt the players association to realize that the best deal that can be reached is the one the N.B.A. is prepared to make right now.”
Stern closes, “Billy, I sincerely hope that we can reach an agreement over the next few days.”
The N.B.A.’s current proposal to the players includes a soft salary cap, a 50 percent share of revenues for players and these features:
Salary-cap and luxury-tax levels in Years 1 and 2 of the new agreement will be no less than they were in 2010-11. By Year 3, they will be adjusted downward to conform to the new system.
Sign-and-trade deals and the biannual exception will be available only to nontaxpaying teams.
Extend-and-trade deals, such as the one signed by Carmelo Anthony last season, will be prohibited.
The midlevel exception will be set at $5 million for nontaxpaying teams, with a maximum length between three and four years (alternating annually). The value of the exception will grow by 3 percent annually, starting in Year 3.
The midlevel exception will be set at $2.5 million for taxpaying teams, with a maximum length of two years, and cannot be used in consecutive years. Its value will also grow at 3 percent annually.
A 10 percent escrow tax will be withheld from player salaries, to ensure that player earnings do not exceed 50 percent of league revenues. An additional withholding will be applied in Year 1 “to account for business uncertainty” stemming from the lockout.
Maximum contract lengths will be five years for “Bird” free agents and four years for others.
Annual contract increases will be 5.5 percent for “Bird” players and 3.5 percent for others.
Players will be paid a prorated share of their 2011-12 salaries, based on the number of games played once the season starts.
Team and player contract options will be prohibited in new contracts, other than rookie deals. But a player can opt out of the final year of a contract if he agrees to zero salary protection (i.e., if it is nonguaranteed).
The “reset” proposal features a flex-cap system that contains an absolute salary ceiling — to be set $5 million above the average team salary. In addition, the N.B.A. would roll back existing contracts “in proportion to system changes in order to ensure sufficient market for free agents.”
The other major differences in the “reset” proposal are:
The midlevel exception would be set at $3 million in Year 1, with a maximum length of three years, and would grow at 3 percent annually.
Maximum salaries would be reduced.
Sign-and-trade rules would remain consistent with the 2005 labor deal.
Contracts would be limited to four years for “Bird” free agents and three years for others, but each team could give a five-year deal to one designated player.
Raises would be limited to 4.5 percent for “Bird” players and 3.5 percent for others.
Changes requested by the union on restricted free agency rules and salary-cap holds would not be included.
Both proposals include an “amnesty” provision that will allow every team to waive one player and have 100 percent of his salary removed from the cap.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/08/sports/basketball/nba-in-letter-to-union-stern-details-his-ultimatum.html?_r=2 (http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/08/sports/basketball/nba-in-letter-to-union-stern-details-his-ultimatum.html?_r=2)
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Players rejected the deal. Negotiations break off. NBA season unlikely.
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if these tall prima donnas ever come back the fans should go on strike.
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They could cancel the whole league and I wouldn't care.
QFT. I am in Hockey mode now. My GF is a hockey nit and got me in to hockey. Way better than basketball.
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QFT. I am in Hockey mode now. My GF is a hockey nit and got me in to hockey. Way better than basketball.
Amen. The last two minutes of a hockey game (a competitive one, anyway) are exciting, wall-to-wall action.
The last two minutes of a basketball game are almost as long as the first 46. Foul-time out-free throw-time out-foul-time out etc.
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when did the nba regular season matter anyways?
lets just have a playoff between the heat, bulls, celtics, lakers, mavericks, spurs, oklahoma
you know one of those teams is winning the title and the rest are just jobbers
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Lol, the nba denied the 2nd chris paul trade.
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Paul officially a clipper.
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Paul officially a clipper.
Going to be worth watching him and Blake together.
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I have some choice words for David Stern. >:(
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Baron Davis is now a knick. Very weird.
The knicks finally look like they can contend for something.
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Clippers looked great yesterday..wow.
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Meh. They did, but it's preseason. I'm sure Laker fans are in full meltdown mode, but need to wait till the season starts.
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Meh. They did, but it's preseason. I'm sure Laker fans are in full meltdown mode, but need to wait till the season starts.
Hey BeachBum, hows things? hope you been well buddy?
do you think the lakers will make noise this season? troy murphy??? derek fisher (way over the hill), matt barnes and others whom i have never seen before will be a hot mess season. I dont see this team doing anything but getting blown out.
Metta World peace was terrible last season, i expect even worse this year, he is slow. Kobe will have superstar nights, he still has a sick jumpshot, round it off with bynum and gasol, both are decent.
I will be suprised if they win 37 games this year, I expect teams like Miami, Knicks, Celtics and durant and friends, to curbstomp them...the clippers will be to athletic for them..
I expect kobe to go off for a 45 point games and 50 point games to prove a point but lose in the process.
I have always put my money on the lakers, but no this year.
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Hey BeachBum, hows things? hope you been well buddy?
do you think the lakers will make noise this season? troy murphy??? derek fisher (way over the hill), matt barnes and others whom i have never seen before will be a hot mess season. I dont see this team doing anything but getting blown out.
Metta World peace was terrible last season, i expect even worse this year, he is slow. Kobe will have superstar nights, he still has a sick jumpshot, round it off with bynum and gasol, both are decent.
I will be suprised if they win 37 games this year, I expect teams like Miami, Knicks, Celtics and durant and friends, to curbstomp them...the clippers will be to athletic for them..
I expect kobe to go off for a 45 point games and 50 point games to prove a point but lose in the process.
I have always put my money on the lakers, but no this year.
What's up Quick? I'm good mang. How you been?
I'm not really all that optimistic about the Lakers bringing home the trophy this year. Too much uncertainty at this point. I think they're still trying to get Howard. Need to see what they plan to do with the Odom trade exception. I trust Mitch, because he has proved he knows how to make the right moves, but I'm scratching my head over that Odom trade at this point.
They will contend. Kobe is still the best player in basketball IMO. Bynum when healthy is a stud and Gasol, if he returns to form, is outstanding. So it's not like they're going be lottery team.
That said, I would not put money on the Lakers this year. At least not yet.
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Funny exchange after Kobe lit Raja Bell up for 40, fouling him out in the process.
First, Bell weighed in. “If he’s going to take 31 shots to get 40, then that’s pretty much all you can do. Anyone shooting 31 shots should score 40.”
Bryant had his say as well. “He can’t stop me. He knows that. But he’s good enough to make it interesting.”
http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/jazz/53282477-87/bell-bryant-jazz-shots.html.csp
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76 ers 8 and 3 yahooo ;D ;D ;D actually does make my day.
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Lakers are off to a pretty good start.
The knicks not so much.
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The knicks are so fucking mediocre right now. Half the time theyre sucking it up, the other half of the time they don't even look inspired. D'antoni needs to light a fire under their ass like now. :-\
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Chicago 13 3
Philadelphia 10 3
Orlando 10 3
Indiana 9 3
Atlanta 10 4
Miami 8 4
New York 6 7
Cleveland 6 7
Boston 4 8
Milwaukee 4 9
Toronto 4 10
Detroit 3 11
New Jersey 3 11
Charlotte 3 12
Washington 1 12
Lol @ the sixers being 10-3.
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Oklahokma City 12 2
Utah 9 4
L.A. Lakers 10 5
San Antonio 9 5
Denver 9 5
L.A. Clippers 7 4
Portland 8 5
Dallas 8 6
Memphis 6 6
Houston 7 7
Minnesota 5 8
Golden State 5 8
Phoenix 4 9
Sacramento 4 10
New Orleans 3 10
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The knicks are so fucking mediocre right now. Half the time theyre sucking it up, the other half of the time they don't even look inspired. D'antoni needs to light a fire under their ass like now. :-\
Carmelo is overrated, great scorer, terrible winner.
Amare is overrated, carmelo rarely passes to him.
Knicks are losers even though they overpaid Tyson Chandler.
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Chicago 13 3
Philadelphia 10 3
Orlando 10 3
Indiana 9 3
Atlanta 10 4
Miami 8 4
New York 6 7
Cleveland 6 7
Boston 4 8
Milwaukee 4 9
Toronto 4 10
Detroit 3 11
New Jersey 3 11
Charlotte 3 12
Washington 1 12
Lol @ the sixers being 10-3.
76ers yeahhhhhhhh
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The knicks are just bad right now. No other way to put it. This is like the '10-'11 miami heat lite.
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The Lakers are not a championship team at this point. Losing to the Pacers at home? They gotta make a move.
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I didn't think it could get worse, but it's getting worse. :-X
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sixers 14-6 onto orlando tonight in philly.
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Jeremy Lin has been a f'ing revelation!! It looks like d'antoni found an answer. The kid just plays composed.
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Jeremy f'ing Lin
I feel like a kid watching the nba again.
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Jeremy f'ing Lin
I feel like a kid watching the nba again.
LINCANITY!!!!
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Let's see what he does tonight against Kobe and the Lakers. Tough, playoff-like win over the Celtics in Boston last night.
Kobe is unreal. 16 seasons in the NBA and he's still in his early 30's.
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Jeremy f'ing Lin
I feel like a kid watching the nba again.
x2...... just what the NBA needs/needed !!!
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Lin had his best game last night against the best opponent he's faced. Dropped 38 on 'em. The lakers looked tired playing in a back to back; coming off an OT win at boston, they looked uninspired. The knicks have rallied around Lin. I see some parallel to the Tebow situation in denver. He did look eratic at times against L.A. but overall it was a great performance in a big time setting.
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x2...... just what the NBA needs/needed !!!
that was probably the most basketball ive watched in 5 years.
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that was probably the most basketball ive watched in 5 years.
Most of a regular season game I have watched in about 10yrs. He is fun to watch and great story. Finally something interesting in the NBA.
And Lin is a big Tebow fan. Devout guy who looks up to him.
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LA better make a move. They are not winning a ring with the current roster. Poor D Fish cannot play the point in this offense. He doesn't get the spot-up opportunities the triangle gave him and he can't score or create off the dribble very well.
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LA better make a move. They are not winning a ring with the current roster. Poor D Fish cannot play the point in this offense. He doesn't get the spot-up opportunities the triangle gave him and he can't score or create off the dribble very well.
Word is that they might sign Gilbert Arenas if he looks good during his workout. Apparently, he appears to be in great shape. But his days of being an explosive scorer are over, I think. He was never the same after he first blew out his knee. What might have been for the Wizards franchise if never got hurt. He didn't do jack shit with Orlando last season and looked really slow. But he was bona fide superstar in the mid 2000's.
They also have Pau, Artest, or Bynum to trade in order to get Dwight Howard.
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LINSANE IN THE MEMBRANE!!!!
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Bump just to get the fucking soccer thread off the main page.
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Must-see tv tonight.
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Must-see tv tonight.
ouch
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Lin was playing with his tail between his legs. However the heat are the best team in the league and they really made him the focal point. He'll be fine.
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76ers lose 5 straight before the break. 12 and 2 with hawes in lineup. 8 and 12 when he doesn't play, coincidence?
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Sad to see D-Fish traded. I hate the lack of loyalty in sports. They should have traded Blake, kept Fish, and just had him come off the bench behind Sessions. They just lost one of the best clutch shooters they've ever had. The same guy who took took less money to come from Utah and later refused to sign with the Heat. The sports business is cut throat.
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Sad to see D-Fish traded. I hate the lack of loyalty in sports. They should have traded Blake, kept Fish, and just had him come off the bench behind Sessions. They just lost one of the best clutch shooters they've ever had. The same guy who took took less money to come from Utah and later refused to sign with the Heat. The sports business is cut throat.
im sure it hurt to do it to him, im thinking he may retire or be waived.
talking about being waived, greg oden was released from portland...dudes a bust unfortunately...his body is fragile.
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Sad to see D-Fish traded. I hate the lack of loyalty in sports. They should have traded Blake, kept Fish, and just had him come off the bench behind Sessions. They just lost one of the best clutch shooters they've ever had. The same guy who took took less money to come from Utah and later refused to sign with the Heat. The sports business is cut throat.
Fisher outta sign with the Clippers. They need veteran guard leadership even since Billups got hurt.
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He landed with OKC. Happy for him. I've watched Sessions a few times now and he is the real deal, but they should have kept Fish and traded Blake. Fish could have been valuable off the bench and in crunch time.
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My Lakers still do not look like a championship caliber team. Could not keep up with Memphis today. I like the way Sessions fits in, and they have the horses in the starting five, but their D isn't good enough at this point.
Kobe looks a little lost in the offense too.
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That's retarded.
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Kobe makes first team all NBA again, and second team all defense.
Bynum was second team all NBA, but probably should have finished ahead of Howard this year.
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Kobe makes first team all NBA again, and second team all defense.
Bynum was second team all NBA, but probably should have finished ahead of Howard this year.
Yet...you prefer him over Howard?
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Yet...you prefer him over Howard?
No. I prefer Howard over Bynum at this point.
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That's retarded.
If he wasn't playing for ny, I don't think he would have got the award. This coming from someone who roots for the knicks.
Don't get me wrong, he basically WAS the knicks defense. But its telling when you win the dpoy and the coaches think youre only 2nd squad material.
Has that ever even happened before? Too lazy to research.
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If he wasn't playing for ny, I don't think he would have got the award. This coming from someone who roots for the knicks.
Don't get me wrong, he basically WAS the knicks defense. But its telling when you win the dpoy and the coaches think youre only 2nd squad material.
Has that ever even happened before? Too lazy to research.
I don't know if it has ever happened, but it makes absolutely no sense, unless the guy who was on the first team finished a few votes behind for DPOY.
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Are the Spurs going to lose anytime this year? Pretty impressive run. Nineteen in a row.
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I just hope the Heat don't win the title. I can't stand Lebron.
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Same here. I'm rooting against The Frozen One.
SA has now won 20 in a row. Have watched them a few times in the playoffs now. That is one terrific bb team.
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Yeah..the Spurs can beat you a few different ways. The difference between this year's Spurs team and those championship teams is that they can beat their opponents with offense, not just defense. They can score a lot points if they have to.
Let's see how they play as the series moves to OKC's house. If the Spurs win game three, they're sweeping and closing it out. That's what good veteran teams do. Popovich is hands down the best coach in the NBA. And he has been for a long time. Not too bad for a former GM.
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Yeah..the Spurs can beat you a few different ways. The difference between this year's Spurs team and those championship teams is that they can beat their opponents with offense, not just defense. They can score a lot points if they have to.
Let's see how they play as the series moves to OKC's house. If the Spurs win game three, they're sweeping and closing it out. That's what good veteran teams do. Popovich is hands down the best coach in the NBA. And he has been for a long time. Not too bad for a former GM.
Agree.
I think their ball movement on offense is outstanding. Very unselfish group of players.
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Come on Celtics!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I do not want the Heat to win the championship! Lebron is a bitch, and D-Wade has turned into a whiny girl.
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Come on Celtics!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I do not want the Heat to win the championship! Lebron is a bitch, and D-Wade has turned into a whiny girl.
Hope the Celtics can win the series. But even if the Heat make it to the finals, they're not getting past the Heat or Thunder, in my opinion.
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Did you hear Rondo's halftime comment? Loved it. :) http://espn.go.com/boston/nba/story/_/id/8005513/2012-nba-playoffs-rajon-rondo-boston-celtics-calls-miami-heat-halftime-interview
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They got a series in SA. (Not a series till the home team loses.)
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They got a series in SA. (Not a series till the home team loses.)
If SA wins game 6 in OKC's house...I predict the Spurs win the series in seven. Can OKC close out the proud, veteran Spurs? I don't know....But OKC's home crowd will be rockin.'
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If SA wins game 6 in OKC's house...I predict the Spurs win the series in seven. Can OKC close out the proud, veteran Spurs? I don't know....But OKC's home crowd will be rockin.'
Agree. That's a big IF. We're about to find out what SA is made of.
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This Celtics-Heat series is clearly showing who the better coach of the two teams really is. Doc Rivers is outcoaching the other guy by a country mile.
If the Celtics close out the Heat in game 6, that coach is toast. I would bet the farm that Phil Jackson will be the next coach of the Miami Heat.
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This Celtics-Heat series is clearly showing who the better coach of the two teams really is. Doc Rivers is outcoaching the other guy by a country mile.
If the Celtics close out the Heat in game 6, that coach is toast. I would bet the farm that Phil Jackson will be the next coach of the Miami Heat.
Depending on who they get in free agency, I would agree with this.
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This Celtics-Heat series is clearly showing who the better coach of the two teams really is. Doc Rivers is outcoaching the other guy by a country mile.
If the Celtics close out the Heat in game 6, that coach is toast. I would bet the farm that Phil Jackson will be the next coach of the Miami Heat.
I agree. I think Pat Riley will take over again just like he did when he fucked over Stan Van Gundy.
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I agree. I think Pat Riley will take over again just like he did when he fucked over Stan Van Gundy.
No way Pat Riley coaches again. Too old and burnt out to be pacing the sidelines anymore.
Phil Jackson wants to coach again. And like Phil has always done throughout his career, he will have the luxury of coaching a team with the league's best players. Whether Lebron and Wade have the discipline and patience of learning the triangle offense is a different story.
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No way Pat Riley coaches again. Too old and burnt out to be pacing the sidelines anymore.
Phil Jackson wants to coach again. And like Phil has always done throughout his career, he will have the luxury of coaching a team with the league's best players. Whether Lebron and Wade have the discipline and patience of learning the triangle offense is a different story.
huh, where did you read that. Last time i checked, he said he was too old to travel all the time, his hips were hurting him badly. He s already loaded with millions and has nothing to prove as he s alrdy the best coach ever in the nba... i d like to see your source...
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huh, where did you read that. Last time i checked, he said he was too old to travel all the time, his hips were hurting him badly. He s already loaded with millions and has nothing to prove as he s alrdy the best coach ever in the nba... i d like to see your source...
He's not done. He was just talking to Orlando about joining their front office. He backed out for "another opporutnity." Don't know what that other opportunity is. http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/7997203/report-phil-jackson-bows-consideration-orlando-magic-front-office-job
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Spurs fans have long wondered why thier team doesnt get any respect in the national media. They got thier answer this week.
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Spurs fans have long wondered why thier team doesnt get any respect in the national media. They got thier answer this week.
Why? Those guys have rings (Duncan with 4). They do it the right way.
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Why? Those guys have rings (Duncan with 4). They do it the right way.
They deserve more respect than they get, but what happened this week and last year shows why they will never be thought of on the same plane as the Lakers and Bulls and Celtics. They also did this sort of thing during the run in which they won those championships. None of those rings were back-to-back. It just seems like they have lost a lot of series in which they won the first game, and havent won many in which they lost the first game. It just seems like for a franchise with a lot of rings, they choke a lot.
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They deserve more respect than they get, but what happened this week and last year shows why they will never be thought of on the same plane as the Lakers and Bulls and Celtics. They also did this sort of thing during the run in which they won those championships. None of those rings were back-to-back. It just seems like they have lost a lot of series in which they won the first game, and havent won many in which they lost the first game. It just seems like for a franchise with a lot of rings, they choke a lot.
True. It's because they are not flashy. Tim Duncan will go down as one of the best players of all time. He doesn't seel the limelight. He just wins. Come talk to me when Lebron has 4 rings.
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He's not done. He was just talking to Orlando about joining their front office. He backed out for "another opporutnity." Don't know what that other opportunity is. http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/7997203/report-phil-jackson-bows-consideration-orlando-magic-front-office-job
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Vincent told the Sentinel that Jackson, 66, gave him the impression he didn't want to coach again. Jackson retired last year after winning five titles with the Los Angeles Lakers and six with the Bulls.
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He probably gave him the impression he didn't want to coach Orlando.
He has retired three times already. If Miami falls short I could definitely see him coaching there if they get another really good FA.
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Holy ratings bonanza.
I can not wait for this series to begin.
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Holy ratings bonanza.
I can not wait for this series to begin.
You think so? Not sure OKC will be a bigger draw than Dallas was last year?
Should be a good series.
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You think so? Not sure OKC will be a bigger draw than Dallas was last year?
Should be a good series.
In terms of star power, it doesn't get any bigger than okc/mia.
Lakers/heat would have been a big draw for the NBA.
Last year was interesting, the big 3 were so hated, it brought people who don't normally watch , tune in. Add in the fact that you had a white star whose team was the underdog - a lot of folks tuned in to see how it would unfold.
Miami, although still hated are not the villains they were last year. And it seems like espn likes use the "greatest expectations of any player now and until the end of time" narrative with lebron these days. Doris Burke should have just got on her knees and pulled lebron shorts down on live TV after game 6. I think the media can effect the casual fans perception.
With that said casual fans will still tune in hoping to see the heat go down much like they do with the yankees or any other polarizing team. Myself - i'll tune in for some great matchups, a heat loss would put a nice big grin on my face though.
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In terms of star power, it doesn't get any bigger than okc/mia.
Lakers/heat would have been a big draw for the NBA.
Last year was interesting, the big 3 were so hated, it brought people who don't normally watch , tune in. Add in the fact that you had a white star whose team was the underdog - a lot of folks tuned in to see how it would unfold.
Miami, although still hated are not the villains they were last year. And it seems like espn likes use the "greatest expectations of any player now and until the end of time" narrative with lebron these days. Doris Burke should have just got on her knees and pulled lebron shorts down on live TV after game 6. I think the media can effect the casual fans perception.
With that said casual fans will still tune in hoping to see the heat go down much like they do with the yankees or any other polarizing team. Myself - i'll tune in for some great matchups, a heat loss would put a nice big grin on my face though.
I agree about stars. Durant/Westbrook played like beasts this year. Just not sure they will draw casual fans.
I don't have a dog in this one, but I hope The Frozen One doesn't get a ring. Only down side to that is a Miami loss will probably bring Phil Jackson out of retirement.
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I agree about stars. Durant/Westbrook played like beasts this year. Just not sure they will draw casual fans.
I don't have a dog in this one, but I hope The Frozen One doesn't get a ring. Only down side to that is a Miami loss will probably bring Phil Jackson out of retirement.
With Pat Riley running things, I just don't see phil jackson coaching the heat. I would even take it a step further and guarantee that he doesn't - ii'd bet all my assets on it.
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With Pat Riley running things, I just don't see phil jackson coaching the heat. I would even take it a step further and guarantee that he doesn't - ii'd bet all my assets on it.
Are you kidding? Pat Riley rivals West when it comes to being a GM IMO. He's all about winning championships. Phil would bring the rings.
Why do you say he wouldn't hire him?
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Are you kidding? Pat Riley rivals West when it comes to being a GM IMO. He's all about winning championships. Phil would bring the rings.
Why do you say he wouldn't hire him?
Past rivalry, riley's ego. Add to that phil's age and dealing with the circus in miami for 8 months. It's not going to happen IMO.
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Past rivalry, riley's ego. Add to that phil's age and dealing with the circus in miami for 8 months. It's not going to happen IMO.
They were never really rivals. Different eras.
Phil's health is a factor more than his age. You think there is any bigger circus than LA? He could handle Miami.
But it will be a moot point if Miami wins it this year.
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They were never really rivals. Different eras.
Phil's health is a factor more than his age. You think there is any bigger circus than LA? He could handle Miami.
But it will be a moot point if Miami wins it this year.
Knick/bulls playoff battles in the 90's? Are ya kidding? Maybe you thought I meant player rivalry.
L.A. is not even close to being the circus that miami is. There is pressure to win for sue in L.A, but its not the home of the big 3 and their WWE antics, or the home of the most polorizing player in the game. There is a giant, massive microscope hoovering around the heat at every turn.
But the biggest wedge between phil and the heat is Riley's ego.
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Knick/bulls playoff battles in the 90's? Are ya kidding? Maybe you thought I meant player rivalry.
L.A. is not even close to being the circus that miami is. There is pressure to win for sue in L.A, but its not the home of the big 3 and their WWE antics, or the home of the most polorizing player in the game. There is a giant, massive microscope hoovering around the heat at every turn.
But the biggest wedge between phil and the heat is Riley's ego.
Chicago v. LA wasn't much of a rivalry. NY never got past Chicago.
Dude there is no bigger circus than LA. Phil managed Kobe and Shaq. The Frozen One and Wade don't bring nearly the amount of drama that Phil had to deal with in LA. And in terms of winning, it is always championship or bust in LA.
I agree Riley has a big ego, but he cares more about winning than anything else. In fact, the big ego might be the reason he would pay Phil a king's ransom to coach the "big three," so he can validate making those moves in the first place.
Also, Phil has a man crush on Bosh.
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Chicago v. LA wasn't much of a rivalry. NY never got past Chicago.
Dude there is no bigger circus than LA. Phil managed Kobe and Shaq. The Frozen One and Wade don't bring nearly the amount of drama that Phil had to deal with in LA. And in terms of winning, it is always championship or bust in LA.
I agree Riley has a big ego, but he cares more about winning than anything else. In fact, the big ego might be the reason he would pay Phil a king's ransom to coach the "big three," so he can validate making those moves in the first place.
Also, Phil has a man crush on Bosh.
Uh, NY beat Chicago in the 94' semi's. They went 7 games and basically cemented the rivalry. Regardless of no Jordan.
I'm no Jack Ramsey, but they also went 7 in 92' and played 6 of the hardest fought games in 93'. The bickering and animosity between the two during this time is well documented. Sorry, you're flat out wrong on this one.
This part is more of an opinion but I think you're wrong on this one too. In a nutshell, adding in the national hate for miami, and the giant microscope they're under and the biggest part - the fact that they have not won a damn thing yet. Every big loss only adds fuel to the fire. If phil takes over they would have lost yet another big one and the circus would only have gotten bigger by this time. This is not even taking in to account the phil/pat aspect - two men with clout, completely opposite personalities who have a history and phil coaching under the watchful eye of riley. That would be a circus unto its own.
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Uh, NY beat Chicago in the 94' semi's. They went 7 games and basically cemented the rivalry. Regardless of no Jordan.
I'm no Jack Ramsey, but they also went 7 in 92' and played 6 of the hardest fought games in 93'. The bickering and animosity between the two during this time is well documented. Sorry, you're flat out wrong on this one.
This part is more of an opinion but I think you're wrong on this one too. In a nutshell, adding in the national hate for miami, and the giant microscope they're under and the biggest part - the fact that they have not won a damn thing yet. Every big loss only adds fuel to the fire. If phil takes over they would have lost yet another big one and the circus would only have gotten bigger by this time. This is not even taking in to account the phil/pat aspect - two men with clout, completely opposite personalities who have a history and phil coaching under the watchful eye of riley. That would be a circus unto its own.
I guess it depends on how you define rivalry. I think a rivalry is where teams play on a regular basis in tough games, where each team wins some and loses some. That was never the case with Phil and Riley. And no, NY beating a Jordan-less Bulls team doesn't count.
I'm no Dr. Jack either, but I watched the Pat Riley Lakers of the 80s, the Phil Bulls of the 90s, and Riley's Knicks of the 90s. There may have been some hard fought games, but it was always Phil raising the championship trophy in the end. Riley didn't win squat after leaving LA until he got lucky when the refs handed him and D-Whistle a title in Miami.
Not really disputing that there may be a circus type atmosphere in Miami. Just saying Phil has been there, done that with tremendous success.
And I don't think either one of us is "wrong." I'm not trying to prove you wrong. Just expressing an opinion based on what I've seen over the years.
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I guess it depends on how you define rivalry. I think a rivalry is where teams play on a regular basis in tough games, where each team wins some and loses some. That was never the case with Phil and Riley. And no, NY beating a Jordan-less Bulls team doesn't count.
I'm no Dr. Jack either, but I watched the Pat Riley Lakers of the 80s, the Phil Bulls of the 90s, and Riley's Knicks of the 90s. There may have been some hard fought games, but it was always Phil raising the championship trophy in the end. Riley didn't win squat after leaving LA until he got lucky when the refs handed him and D-Whistle a title in Miami.
Not really disputing that there may be a circus type atmosphere in Miami. Just saying Phil has been there, done that with tremendous success.
And I don't think either one of us is "wrong." I'm not trying to prove you wrong. Just expressing an opinion based on what I've seen over the years.
I think you're sorely mistaken on their rivalry, even disingenuous to a point.
But I think we've said about as much as we need to. I think we can agree on one thing, a heat loss would be quite amusing. Lebron looks like he' truely on a mission. Who knows. This is going to be a great series.
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I think you're sorely mistaken on their rivalry, even disingenuous to a point.
But I think we've said about as much as we need to. I think we can agree on one thing, a heat loss would be quite amusing. Lebron looks like he' truely on a mission. Who knows. This is going to be a great series.
Too much versatility by the Thunder for the Heat to win, I think. OKC can beat you in so many ways. Plus, OKC has the homecourt advantage, which is huge. Miami has pathetic excuses for fans on their home court.
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It will be a blowout series, all OKC.
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I'm rooting for D Fish. Would be a great ending for him after LA dogged him.
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You really think the Lakers would have been better off keeping Fisher? Or that they would've played deeper in the playoffs with him?
He's 37 and they obviously needed to get younger at the PG position. Great team leader and teammate but it was time for him to move on. He's a much better fit on OKC as a mentor to the younger players.
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You really think the Lakers would have been better off keeping Fisher? Or that they would've played deeper in the playoffs with him?
He's 37 and they obviously needed to get younger at the PG position. Great team leader and teammate but it was time for him to move on. He's a much better fit on OKC as a mentor to the younger players.
Would have definitely been better off. They should have brought Fish off the bench instead of Blake. He's better than Blake.
Remember the shot at the end of game 2 against OKC in game 2? Blake missed it. I bet Fish would have knocked it down.
Kupchak has made a believer out of me, but he got that trade wrong.
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Hahaha.
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Uh oh.
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Hate to admit it...but Lebron earned it. He dominated the series against OKC. A triple double in the series clinching win?? That's big time.
No telling how good he can be now that he has the monkey off his back. He might go on a Jordan-esque titles run over the next 5-6 seasons. When he switches to power foward in a few years, he'll average 12-14 rebounds a game, easy.
OKC was too young and just not ready yet.
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NBA Finals: yawn. Glad I missed them. NBA draft: double yawn. Is it football season yet?
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NBA Finals: yawn. Glad I missed them. NBA draft: double yawn. Is it football season yet?
you're not a sports fan, you just watch your california teams
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you're not a sports fan, you just watch your california teams
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Truth.
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NBA Finals: yawn. Glad I missed them. NBA draft: double yawn. Is it football season yet?
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you're not a sports fan, you just watch your california teams
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You're not a sports fan, you just watch the Steelers. (See how silly that sounds?)
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Dog days of summer are here. :'(
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You're not a sports fan, you just watch the Steelers. (See how silly that sounds?)
it sounds silly because it's not true, i watch all sports
not just my favorite teams
you're asking for football season, yet you skipped the super bowl
i have a feeling your 9ers will come back down to earth causing you to skip most of the season
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it sounds silly because it's not true, i watch all sports
not just my favorite teams
you're asking for football season, yet you skipped the super bowl
i have a feeling your 9ers will come back down to earth causing you to skip most of the season
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It sounds silly, because it is silly. It's a debate I would have had in middle school. I don't care one iota whether you are a Steeler fan or a "sports" fan.
As I'm sure I've said on the board, I'm a Laker fan more than an NBA fan. I follow the NFL much more closely when I'm playing FF, but I'm still on vacation from FF, so the primary thing I care about this offseason is what my Niners are doing. And they are doing good things.
I didn't skip the Super Bowl. Just the first half. :) I watched the second half. Stuck in a hotel room. Didn't care about either team, or who won, etc.
I did "skip" the NBA Finals, because I didn't have access to a TV. Glad I missed them anyway.
I have a feeling my Niners will have a great season. Very excited for the season to start. And if I don't watch anything other than Niner games, I'll be just fine. :)
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Nash to LA for the LO trade exception and picks. I like it. Good job Mitch. Now get that Bynum for Howard thing done. :)
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No bigger Kobe fan than me, but I'm with Jordan on this one.
Michael Jordan: Dream Team better
Updated: July 13, 2012,
Associated Press
CHARLOTTE, N.C. -- Michael Jordan said there's no way Kobe Bryant and this year's USA Olympic basketball team could've beaten the 1992 Dream Team.
Jordan told The Associated Press Thursday that he laughed -- "I absolutely laughed" -- when hearing Bryant's comments that the U.S. squad training in Las Vegas could take Jordan and company.
Jordan said there's "no comparison" which team is better.
"For him to compare those two teams is not one of the smarter things he ever could have done," Jordan said prior to playing in a celebrity golf tournament in Charlotte.
Jordan said the 1992 team, which included 11 future Hall of Famers and won its six Olympic games by an average of more than 43 points en route to capturing the gold medal, was a better overall team largely because of the experience it put on the floor.
"I heard Kobe say we were not athletic," said a smiling Jordan as he sat in a golf cart puffing on his cigar while waiting to tee off. "But we were smart. He said we were too old, but I was 29 and in the prime of my career. Pip (Scottie Pippen) was 26 or 27, (Charles) Barkley was 29, Patrick (Ewing) was 29 and Chris Mullin was 29. Almost everybody was still in their 20s."
Jordan's response came after Bryant told reporters in Las Vegas that this year's team could pull out a win against the Dream Team if they faced each other in their primes. Bryant said this year's team has a "bunch of racehorses, players who are incredibly athletic, while the Dream Team consisted mainly of players at the tail end of their careers."
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For him to compare those two teams is not one of the smarter things he ever could have done.
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-- Michael Jordan, reacting to Kobe Bryant's "Dream Team" comments.
Bryant's comments received immediate and sharp rebuttal from some members of the Dream Team, including Barkley.
Jordan joined in on Thursday.
"Most of us were in the prime of our careers, at a point where athleticism doesn't really matter," said Jordan, the owner of the Charlotte Bobcats. "You have to know how to play the game."
Jordan shook his head when asked why he thinks Bryant made the comments.
"I imagine he's trying to say it to legitimize his own Dream Team," Jordan said. "But to me it's not even a question what team is better."
Jordan said Bryant is certainly entitled to his opinion -- even though he said it's just plain wrong.
"For him to make that comparison, it's one of those things where it creates conversation," Jordan said. "I guess we'll never know. I'd like to think that we had 11 Hall of Famers on that team, and whenever they get 11 Hall of Famers, you call and ask me who had the better Dream Team. Remember now, they learned from us. We didn't learn from them."
http://espn.go.com/olympics/summer/2012/basketball/story/_/id/8159879/2012-olympics-michael-jordan-laughed-kobe-bryant-dream-team-boast
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Must have been hitting the pipe with Kobe.
LeBron: We would beat Dream Team
Updated: July 27, 2012
ESPN.com news services
LeBron James has joined Kobe Bryant in saying that he believes this year's Team USA Olympic men's basketball team could beat the 1992 Dream Team.
Days before the current U.S. squad takes the court in London, James made his boast in a recent television interview.
“The '92 Dream Team paved the way for all of us... We understand what they did for our game, but we also are big-time competitors as well, so if we got the opportunity to play them in a game we feel like we would win, too.”
-- LeBron James.
"As a competitor you never want to say that you will lose, no matter who you are going against," James told ABC News "Nightline" anchor Cynthia McFadden.
James did express his respect to the iconic 1992 team, which was led by Michael Jordan and included 11 future Hall of Famers. That team won its six Olympic games by an average of more than 43 points en route to capturing the gold medal in Barcelona.
"The '92 Dream Team paved the way for all of us ... We understand what they did for our game, but we also are big-time competitors as well, so if we got the opportunity to play them in a game we feel like we would win, too," James said.
James' comments echoed those of Bryant, who two weeks ago made a similar proclamation.
"It would be a tough one, but I think we would pull it out," Bryant said at a news conference. "People who think we can't beat that team for one game, they are crazy. To sit there and say we can't, it's ludicrous. We can beat them one time."
Bryant's comments received immediate and sharp rebuttal from some members of the Dream Team. Jordan told The Associated Press he laughed when he heard of Bryant's comments.
"For him to compare those two teams is not one of the smarter things he ever could have done," Jordan said.
Even President Barack Obama weighed in on the topic.
"This is a generational thing," Obama said during a halftime interview with ESPN2 as it broadcast an exhibition game between the U.S. and Brazil earlier this month. "I was around in '92, I was a Bulls fan, so I've got to go with the original Dream Team."
http://espn.go.com/olympics/summer/2012/basketball/story/_/id/8205408/lebron-james-says-united-states-olympic-team-beat-1992-dream
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Phil Jackson possibly returning to coach LA? What is going on over there.
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wow NBA is here, after Kobe and his owner say Mike brown wont be fired, 2 minutes later he gets fired..Foul.
Whats Phil Jackson going to do, the last time he coached he was swept by dallas, and Kobe was 1.5 year old younger.
Nash is trash, he never listen to brown, he just dribbled into the lane to pass to Gasol for a jumpshot.
Brown was a terrible coach offensively.
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I think firing Mike Brown was the right thing to do, but I don't like the D'Antoni hiring over Phil. D'Antoni may bring "show time" back to LA, but Phil brings championships. D'Antoni will have to make a believer out of me.
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I think firing Mike Brown was the right thing to do, but I don't like the D'Antoni hiring over Phil. D'Antoni may bring "show time" back to LA, but Phil brings championships. D'Antoni will have to make a believer out of me.
Dwight Howard doesn't have a post game to compliment Jackson's coaching style. And the Lakers doesn't have the perimeter shooting to compliment D'Antoni's style. This is not the same Steve Nash now that was playing under D'Antoni. He's 38. Still a good player but a lot older.
I see either hiring as a loss, no matter what. Especially since Jackson was going to be sitting out road games for health reasons, if he was hired. That's not really being 100% committed.
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Dwight Howard doesn't have a post game to compliment Jackson's coaching style. And the Lakers doesn't have the perimeter shooting to compliment D'Antoni's style. This is not the same Steve Nash now that was playing under D'Antoni. He's 38. Still a good player but a lot older.
I see either hiring as a loss, no matter what. Especially since Jackson was going to be sitting out road games for health reasons, if he was hired. That's not really being 100% committed.
Sitting out road games was an unconfirmed rumor that has since been denied by the Lakers.
Howard would have done fine in the triangle. If you think about it, Shaq's post game wasn't that varied. His best low post move was just dunking on people. Yes he had a little baby hook and great feet, but outside of five feet or so he was pretty limited.
I agree about the lack of perimeter shooting, although the pick-and-roll part of D'Antoni's offense is definitely something Howard and Nash can run.
But I still think Phil should have been the pick. We'll see how this pans out.
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Horrible choice by the lakers, Phil will never return now. What a slap in the face.
Its the NBA, anything can happen, Memphis destroyed Miami yesterday.
I think with Phil they would of been 2nd round exit at best. All the best to them
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Here is an example of what they will be running.
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He can run pick and roll all he wants but what about the rest of the offense? The idea with D'antoni's coaching style is to free up lanes by spreading your 3, 4, and 5 to allow Nash or Kobe to drive to the basket. But when those lanes converge and the ball has to be kicked out for an open shot...who can you rely on? Metta Peace? Blake? Jamison?
The Lakers don't have enough pure shooters. Really bad offensive style for the Lakers. And they are probably one of the slowest teams in the NBA to play run and gun. I think the Lakers are fucked unless they trade Gasol for more outside shooting.
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He can run pick and roll all he wants but what about the rest of the offense? The idea with D'antoni's coaching style is to free up lanes by spreading your 3, 4, and 5 to allow Nash or Kobe to drive to the basket. But when those lanes converge and the ball has to be kicked out for an open shot...who can you rely on? Metta Peace? Blake? Jamison?
The Lakers don't have enough pure shooters. Really bad offensive style for the Lakers. And they are probably one of the slowest teams in the NBA to play run and gun. I think the Lakers are fucked unless they trade Gasol for more outside shooting.
They have the same number of shooters they've always had, which is very little. Hasn't stopped them from winning championships. Nash is a great shooter. Kobe is a good shooter. Pau and Howard will score.
In terms of team speed, they're actually pretty good. Their starting five isn't slow. Not the kind of players that can run the entire game, but not one of the slowest teams in the NBA.
They would be crazy to trade Pau at this point. I really like their starting five. It's the bench that hasn't shown any signs of life and is very weak.
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They have the same number of shooters they've always had, which is very little. Hasn't stopped them from winning championships. Nash is a great shooter. Kobe is a good shooter. Pau and Howard will score.
In terms of team speed, they're actually pretty good. Their starting five isn't slow. Not the kind of players than can run the entire game, but not one of the slowest teams in the NBA.
They would be crazy to trade Pau at this point. I really like their starting five. It's the bench that hasn't shown any signs of life and is very weak.
They wern't winning championships with a pick and roll, run and gun offense. They won them with a triangle scheme which keeps your big men routinely close to the basket instead of spreading them out. Phil Jackson's teams were never known for speed. Why do you think a slow ass turd like Ron Harper with the Bulls or Fisher of the Lakers were able to start in his offenses? Because the schemes was based off of rotation within the triangle to free open looks. Almost like precise route running in football. The Lakers are a veteran team, not a fast, young one.
And they are a slow starting five. You're way off base there. They are definitely one of the slowest teams in the league. They don't have Shannon Brown any more. They need outside shooting help in order to thrive in that offensive system. Trading Pau would bring shooting help and depth to the bench.
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They wern't winning championships with a pick and roll, run and gun offense. They won them with a triangle scheme which keeps your big men routinely close to the basket instead of spreading them out.
And they are a slow starting five. You're way off base there. They are definitely one of the slowest teams in the league. They don't have Shannon Brown any more. They need outside shooting help and order to thrive in that offensive system.
You talked about their lack of shooters. I pointed out they won championships without shooters. That has always been a problem for them.
The triangle is more about ball movement and spacing than keeping bigs close to the basket, although it is more of an inside out game.
I'm not convinced D'Antoni can win championships and I thought Phil was the right choice, but I think you're overstating how the players will adapt to his system.
Regarding team speed, I disagree. Which 5 in the NBA runs better than Howard? Pau will not be on anyone's track and field team, but he runs well for a 4. Metta is not slow. Kobe is not slow. Neither is Nash. Nash actually has great basketball speed (not sure if is such a thing, like football speed).
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You talked about their lack of shooters. I pointed out they won championships without shooters. That has always been a problem for them.
The triangle is more about ball movement and spacing than keeping bigs close to the basket, although it is more of an inside out game.
I'm not convinced D'Antoni can win championships and I thought Phil was the right choice, but I think you're overstating how the players will adapt to his system.
Regarding team speed, I disagree. Which 5 in the NBA runs better than Howard? Pau will not be on anyone's track and field team, but he runs well for a 4. Metta is not slow. Kobe is not slow. Neither is Nash. Nash actually has great basketball speed (not sure if is such a thing, like football speed).
Ok...fast but for how long? Howard is the only one. Kobe has a bum knee. Nash is 38. Metta's outside shooting is crap. They're an OLD squad. Outside of Howard, where else are the young at?
I may be overstating their ability to adapt. But I'll guess we'll see how the wins and losses play out. No matter what happens, they've permanantly burned their bridge with Jackson.
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Ok...fast but for how long? Howard is the only one. Kobe has a bum knee. Nash is 38. Metta's outside shooting is crap. They're an OLD squad. Outside of Howard, where else are the young at?
I may be overstating their ability to adapt. But I'll guess we'll see how the wins and losses play out. No matter what happens, they've permanantly burned their bridge with Jackson.
You're really talking about stamina and conditioning more than speed. I think that starting five is in excellent shape. Kobe's knee is fine.
Now you're talking about age? Ok, no argument there when it comes to Kobe and Nash.
I agree about burning their bridge with Phil. Give the man till Monday to accept the offer then call him at midnight to say they went a different direction. That was so not cool.