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Re: All things "Birther" Thread
« Reply #1600 on: May 27, 2011, 08:35:52 PM »
Looks like he was born in Mobossa Kenya on his Birth certifacte.

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Re: All things "Birther" Thread
« Reply #1601 on: May 30, 2011, 10:56:37 AM »
1961 Kenya Birth Records Criminally Tampered With to Hide Barack Obama's Birth


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Documents obtained by WND indicate the Kenyan government investigated the possibility that President Obama was born in the East African nation.

Two letters purportedly written by Kenya's immigration secretary during the 2008 U.S. presidential election campaign stated that officials in Nairobi could not find evidence Obama was born in Kenya. But the official said the government had "information" that relevant birth records may have been removed or were missing.

Emmanuel Kisombe, the permanent secretary in the Ministry for Immigration and Registration of Persons, wrote a letter in July 2008 in reply to a letter from the U.S. ambassador in Nairobi that raised the possibility with Kenyan officials that Obama was born in their country.

Kisombe wrote another letter on the issue, this time to Kenya's Criminal Investigation Department, a few days before the Nov. 4 presidential election in the U.S.

Kisombe, 56, has been in public service since 1979, according to his bio. He became principal administrative secretary in the Office of the President in 2004 and was appointed permanent secretary for Immigration and Registration of Persons on Dec. 7, 2005.

His Oct. 22, 2008, letter to Simon Karanja Gatiba, director of the Criminal Investigation Department, indicated an investigation into the possibility Obama was born in Kenya was instigated at the level of the Kenyan Cabinet.

Kisombe wrote to Gatiba: We have instructions from the Head of Civil Service and Secretary to the Cabinet carrying out directions of the Cabinet sub-committee on Security and Foreign Relations to investigate and report on efficacy of reports that Senator Barack Obama, the Democratic Party aspirant in the United States could be Kenyan-born.

Kisombe said the Kenyan government investigation was prompted by "numerous intelligence reports that [Obama] might have been born in Mombasa at the Lady Grigg Maternity Wing of the Coast Provincial Hospital."

Kisombe noted that the Kenyan government's inability to find Obama birth records was not conclusive, because "the information we in the ministry have is that some documents have been removed by unknown persons at unknown dates or are missing from birth registry records thus denting the prospects of uncovering the facts of this matter."

He wrote: This tampering, if confirmed, constitutes a serious offense that is punishable by law and it behooves your office to track down the culprits and bring them to justice. My officers have been instructed to fully cooperate as the Kenya Police Criminal Investigation Department performs this task.

View entire Kisombe letter here: http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=297273

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Re: All things "Birther" Thread
« Reply #1602 on: May 30, 2011, 11:09:35 AM »
OOOOOhhh.... oooops... So sorry BB...  go dig yourself a head sized plot in the sand and plung away.... hahahahaha

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Re: All things "Birther" Thread
« Reply #1603 on: May 30, 2011, 11:45:51 AM »
Right.  I'm sure Donald Trump will be all over this.   ::)

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Re: All things "Birther" Thread
« Reply #1604 on: May 30, 2011, 12:39:42 PM »
1) BC is total bullshit... smells bad... obama hiding something, for sure.

2) Doesn't matter.  he won the public perception battle.  He could have been born on the north pole to Mr and ms claus, and that doesn't matter.  PR battle has already been fought.

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Re: All things "Birther" Thread
« Reply #1605 on: May 30, 2011, 06:23:03 PM »


Bombshell: Second CRS Memo Covering for Obama’s Ineligibility Not Released to the Public…Until Now







PRESIDENTIAL ELIGIBILITY, PART 1
 

by Joseph DeMaio
 

What else is the Congressional Research Service advising congressmen and senators to tell their constituents about Obama's "eligibility?"
 
(May 30, 2011) — Sherlock Holmes once noted that the perfect crime is the one that is never detected.  Those who are now finally discovering the unsolved mystery of Barack Obama’s eligibility under the Constitution as a “natural born Citizen” should read more Sherlock Holmes.
 
In reality, there is no mystery.  Day-by-day, week-by-week and revelation by revelation, the empirical evidence accumulates that the man now occupying the White House may very well be plainly ineligible to do so.  It only remains for the truth to finally catch up to him, as the truth always does.  And yet legions of his supporters and sycophants are doing all they can to delay and postpone that day of reckoning.
 
EXECUTIVE SUMMARY
 
1.      In order for a person to be born a “natural born Citizen” under Art. 2, Sec. 1, Cl. 5 – the “eligibility clause” of the Constitution as it was understood by the Founders under The Law of Nations by E. de Vattel, a legal scholar during the years the Constitution was conceived, drafted and executed – both such person’s parents must be, at that time, United States citizens and no U.S. Supreme Court case has held otherwise;
 
2.      An April 3, 2009 Congressional Research Service (“CRS”) Memorandum authored by one  Jack Maskell, a Legislative Attorney in the CRS American Law Division and entitled “Qualifications for the Office of President of the United States and Legal Challenges to the Eligibility of a Candidate” and intended for distribution to members of Congress either (a) innocently, but substantively, misreads, misconstrues and/or misapplies federal appellate and U.S. Supreme Court precedent, or (b) intentionally, and thus improperly (and possibly illegally), alters the meaning of precedent through substantive editing by grammatical ellipsis omission of material words, and thus facts, in two federal documents, to arrive at its conclusion that Barack H. Obama is, purportedly, eligible to be president as a “natural born citizen;”
 
3.      A June 5, 2009 Congressional Research Service “Transmittal” message to a member of Congress from one Jerry Mansfield, an “Information Research Specialist” in the CRS “Knowledge Services Group,” misinforms the congressman by stating that questions about Mr. Obama’s birth certificate have been “ultimately resolved” in favor of his eligibility based on a series of biased and badly-skewed Internet postings;
 
4.      A second Congressional Research Service memorandum, dated March 18, 2010 and authored, again, by Mr. Jack Maskell, and entitled “Birth Certificates of Presidential Candidates and Standing to Challenge Eligibility,” but without mentioning or referencing the April 3, 2009 memo, commits the same conceptual errors of the prior April 3, 2009 memo and thus merely compounds and perpetuates the problem;
 
5.      The issue of Barack H. Obama’s eligibility to serve as president under the “natural born citizen” clause of the Constitution thus far remains unaddressed on the merits by the U.S. Supreme Court and, accordingly, remains unresolved as well.
 


BACKGROUND
 
As frequently noted in postings at various Internet websites, including, notably, The Post & Email  – most recently in the posts appearing here (http://www.thepostemail.com/2011/05/08/too-hot-to-handle/), by one by one Tracey M. Grissom and which includes a link to an extensive work on presidential eligibility by one Stephen Tonchen first appearing in 2009 (http://people.mags.net/tonchen/birthers.htm), as well as in a post by one Antoine Francisque appearing here (http://www.thepostemail.com/2011/04/14/how-could-obama-not-be-a-u-s-citizen-if-his-mother-was-an-american/) – the core issue regarding Mr. Obama’s eligibility is not properly confined to his actual birthplace, be it Honolulu, Mombasa or elsewhere, although that is a related issue.  Rather, the central focus in addition must be on the citizenship status of his mother and, in particular, his father.
 
The Tonchen “Eligibility Primer” is particularly comprehensive and easy to read.  While it does acknowledge the existence of the April 3, 2009 CRS Memo, it does not address the various unexplained anomalies examined in the following memorandum.
 
In addition, the recent publication by Dr. Jerome Corsi of a new book on these issues, “Where’s the Birth Certificate?  The Case That Barack Obama is Not Eligible to be President,” touches upon, but does not directly address or analyze, the noted anomalies in the CRS Memo.  Thus, while the Corsi book reaches the correct conclusion – that Barack Obama is very likely ineligible to the presidency under the “natural born Citizen” clause of the Constitution – it does so without addressing the more serious problems with the CRS Memo.  Accordingly, Dr. Corsi’s book, if anything, understates the severity of the problem.  And, to be clear, Dr. Corsi and/or his researchers cannot be faulted for the oversight, because the anomaly in the CRS Memo is extremely difficult to discern, at best, unless one is specifically looking for it.
 
Although the Constitution itself does not define the term “natural born Citizen,” these exists a wealth of information and authority (for those willing to review and consider it) bearing upon what the Founding Fathers understood the meaning of the term to be and what their intent was through its incorporation into the Constitution between 1776 and 1789, the years leading up to the drafting, signing and ratification of the Constitution.
 
Specifically, the writings of the Swiss-German legal philosopher, Emmerich de Vattel in his 1758 tome on international law – The Law of Nations – in particular bear heavily on the issue. In the preface to the 1999 digital edition of The Law of Nations, and commenting on the 1883 edition by Joseph Chitty, Esq. (http://www.constitution.org/vattel/vattel.htm), is found the following:
 
“This 1758 work by Swiss legal philosopher Emmerich de Vattel is of special importance to scholars of constitutional history and law, for it was read by many of the Founders of the United States of America, and informed their understanding of the principles of law which became established in the Constitution of 1787. Chitty’s notes and the appended commentaries by Edward D. Ingraham, used in lectures at William and Mary College, provide a valuable perspective on Vattel’s exposition from the viewpoint of American jurists who had adapted those principles to the American legal experience.” (Emphasis added)
 
In Book I, Chapter XIX, § 212 of The Law of Nations, addressing the issue of what constitutes the citizens and natives of a country, de Vattel notes as follows:
 
“The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. As the society cannot exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights. The society is supposed to desire this, in consequence of what it owes to its own preservation; and it is presumed, as matter of course, that each citizen, on entering into society, reserves to his children the right of becoming members of it. The country of the fathers is therefore that of the children; and these become true citizens merely by their tacit consent. We shall soon see whether, on their coming to the years of discretion, they may renounce their right, and what they owe to the society in which they were born. I say, that, in order to be of the country, it is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; for, if he is born there of a foreigner, it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country.” (Bold/emphasis added)
 
It is thus clear that the proper analysis in the determination as to whether one is (or even can be) a “natural born citizen” – at least under de Vattel’s articulation of the principles of law distinguishing “natural born citizens” from “native born citizens” – is immutably fixed in time as of the moment of birth, and not at some subsequent time.
 
Indeed, as noted here (http://www.thepostemail.com/2010/05/03/jefferson-used-vattels-the-law-of-nations-to-write-our-founding-documents/), the Founding Fathers, including Thomas Jefferson, relied upon de Vattel in drafting both the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution.  And since Jefferson as well as many other Founding Fathers were conversant, if not fluent, in French – including Benjamin Franklin, who served as our Ambassador to France from 1776 to 1785 – it is generally acknowledged that they knew exactly what was being stated by de Vattel in The Law of Nations.
 
Moreover, even the U.S.  Supreme Court has recognized that de Vattel’s tome  was of critical influence on the Founding Fathers, stating, for example, that “[t]he international jurist most widely cited in the first 50 years after the Revolution was Emmerich de Vattel. 1 J. Kent, Commentaries on American Law 18 (1826). In 1775, Benjamin Franklin acknowledged receipt of three copies of a new edition, in French, of Vattel’s Law of Nations and remarked that the book ‘has been continually in the hands of the members of our Congress now sitting…. ‘” 2 F. Wharton, United States Revolutionary Diplomatic Correspondence 64 (1889)…” (emphasis added)  See U.S. Steel Corp. v. Multistate Tax Commission, 434 U.S. 452, 462, n. 12 (1978).
 
And one of the Founding Fathers, John Jay – a contributing author, along with Alexander Hamilton and James Madison, to The Federalist Papers and serving as the first Chief Justice of the U.S. Supreme Court – suggested in a July 25, 1787 letter to then-serving Presiding Officer of the Continental Convention of 1787, George Washington that it would be prudent to include, in the nation’s new Constitution, a specific restriction on who might be eligible to the national presidency. (http://www.familytales.org/dbDisplay.php?id=ltr_joj4101&person=joj). He advised Washington:
 
“Permit me to hint whether it would not be wise and seasonable to provide a strong check to the admission of foreigners into the administration of our national government; and to declare expressly that the command in chief of the American army shall not be given to, nor devolve on any but a natural born citizen.” (Emphasis added)
 

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Re: All things "Birther" Thread
« Reply #1606 on: May 30, 2011, 06:23:42 PM »
Thus, while a child born of alien parents in this country may be deemed under the Fourteenth Amendment to the Constitution to be a “native born citizen” – as the Supreme Court has frequently noted (see, e.g., United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649 (1897)) – the child cannot, by definition, be at that time or at any other time a “natural born citizen” unless its parents are, at the time of the birth, also citizens.  While the child may later voluntary renounce his or her citizenship upon reaching majority status, it cannot be involuntarily taken away.
 
Stated otherwise, consistent with Jay’s advice to Washington, and under de Vattel’s analysis, with which the Founders were familiar and which “… informed their understanding of the principles of law which became established in the Constitution…,” unless at the time of birth, a child’s parents both were citizens, although the child would be a “native born citizen,” the child could by definition not be a “natural born citizen.”
 
Against this backdrop, the putative current President of the United States (a) confirms in his autobiography, corroborated as well through the newly-released Internet “picture” of what is claimed to be his original birth certificate, that his father, Barack Obama, Sr., was a Kenyan and not a U.S. citizen; (b) refuses to release or allow the release of the “hard copy” his original Hawaiian “long form” birth certificate (assuming one exists) while contending that the image of a “certification of live birth” posted on the internet in 2009 and now, on April 27, 2011, proves he was born there, an issue only indirectly related to the legal question of whether he is a “natural born Citizen” under the Constitution; (c) ignores as irrelevant the many reports in newspapers, both here and abroad, that he was born in Kenya or even Indonesia; and (d) dismisses all questions on the point of his constitutional eligibility as “distractions.”
 
THE CRS AND THE BEGINNING OF THE PROBLEM
 
Equally troubling, however, is how the issue has been managed and manipulated by Obama’s supporters and defenders, from the mainstream media to left-wing Hollywood sycophants.  The entire issue has been morphed by the left (and even by many on the not-left) into a conspiracy theory on a par with Roswell UFO’s.  By metastasizing legitimate questions over his eligibility into Saturday Night Live skits, the machine thus far has succeeded in trivializing, marginalizing and, in many cases, demonizing those having the audacity to even think of asking the question.  In true Orwellian form, the Thought Police are alive and well in America.
 
Even more disturbing, though, is the way the specific issue of the putative president’s eligibility has been addressed and seemingly – unless otherwise plausibly explained – manipulated and misrepresented by what should otherwise be an unbiased and objective arm of the United States Congress, the Congressional Research Service (“CRS”).  The Congressional Research Service is a legislative agency within the Library of Congress.  Its website (http://www.loc.gov/crsinfo/) asserts that it
 
“…works exclusively for the United States Congress, providing policy and legal analysis to committees and Members of both the House and Senate, regardless of party affiliation. As a legislative branch agency within the Library of Congress, CRS has been a valued and respected resource on Capitol Hill for nearly a century. CRS is well-known for analysis that is authoritative, confidential, objective and nonpartisan. Its highest priority is to ensure that Congress has 24/7 access to the nation’s best thinking.”
 
Let us test those assertions.
 
First, what follows is a brief analysis of a “memorandum” prepared by the CRS and issued April 3, 2009 intended, according to the memorandum’s introductory statements, to address questions “… from congressional offices…” which had been posed to the agency regarding the issue of Mr. Obama’s constitutional eligibility. The memorandum is not an indexed “report” which might otherwise be located at the CRS website (http://www.loc.gov/crsinfo/) or a parallel repository maintained by the State Department (http://fpc.state.gov/c18185.htm).
 
On the other hand, the full text of the CRS Memorandum has been posted on the internet and can be found here: (http://www.scribd.com/doc/41197555/41131059-MoC-Memo-What-to-Tell-Your-Constituents-in-Answer-to-Obama-Eligibility).  Whether the title in the website address originated with the CRS or somewhere else is unknown, but it should give some hint of the purpose underlying the memo.  It will be hereafter referenced as the “CRS Memo.”
 
The CRS Memo begins by stating that, without regard to its distribution to the specific but unidentified “congressional offices” requesting guidance, it was “… prepared to enable distribution to more than one congressional office,” presumably in anticipation that more than one or two members of Congress might want to become enlightened on the topic.  This is a prophetic observation, given the fact that the putative president’s intransigence in refusing to put the controversy to rest by simply releasing a “hard copy” – as opposed to another image of a hard copy posted April 27, 2011 to the Internet – of his original birth certificate, assuming, again, that an original Hawaiian long-form certificate exists, has served only to attract more and more attention to the issue, and, lately, from persons of higher and higher profile.
 
Moreover, given the “release” by the White House on April 27, 2011 of an Internet “image” of a document now purporting to be the “original long form birth certificate,” and the contents of a second CRS memo, discussed herein later, the controversy is only exacerbated.
 
Second, after a brief introductory discussion about the “vetting” of candidates for the office and the purported impropriety of lawsuits seeking to challenge the eligibility of presidential candidates as lacking “standing” and being premised on “non-justiciable political questions,” the CRS Memo delves into what it terms a “Legal Analysis of [the] Natural Born Citizenship Requirement.”
 
It is this section of the CRS Memo dealing with the “vetting” issue which Dr. Corsi’s book seizes upon.  While the issue is significant, as Dr. Corsi points out, because it confirms that candidate (and now president) Obama was, in effect, “given a pass” by the system and those charged with operating it because no federal law required the “vetting” of a presidential candidate’s eligibility under the “natural born Citizen” clause of the Constitution, it is not the end of the inquiry.
 
To state the obvious: just because something is not “required” does not mean that it would be unwise or imprudent to do it anyway.  Dr. Corsi characterizes (at p. 295) the paragraph on the first page of the CRS Memo containing the statement that no “vetting” of presidential candidates is “required” (and which first page is included as Exhibit 124 at p. 234 of the book) as “… the most important paragraph in the document.”  Respectfully, there may be an even more important paragraph farther into the document, as discussed hereafter.
 
The “analysis” portion of the CRS Memo is thereafter subdivided into sections addressing “Background/Summary,” “Constitutional History,” “Common Understanding of the Legal Term ‘Natural Born’ in [the] 1700’s” and “Legal Challenges Brought in 2008,” with subsections addressing challenges involving the presidential eligibility of both Senator John McCain and then-Senator Barack H. Obama.
 
Indeed, while the CRS Memo goes to great lengths to expound upon the fact that, for example, a well-known legal treatise popular in England in colonial times, Blackstone’s Commentaries, was “… widely known in the Colonies…” and that certain commentators believed that the “… Framers had a broad view of the term ‘natural born’ and considered all foreign-born children of American citizen parents eligible for the Office of the Presidency…,” (see CRS Memo at fn. 44 and accompanying text), the CRS Memo is devoid of any reference at all to the teachings of de Vattel, even in a dismissive way.  Unlike the CRS Memo, even Blackstone’s Commentaries and the United States Supreme Court recognize de Vattel and the impact and influence of his writings on the Founding Fathers. 

Moreover, the citation by the CRS Memo (fn. 44) to a law review article for the broad statement regarding the purported ambivalence of the Founders to foreign-born persons being eligible to the presidency is plainly inconsistent with the advice John Jay – clearly, a Founder – to George Washington in 1787.
 
On the other hand, the CRS Memo does mention and discuss Jay’s letter to Washington, but ultimately concludes that the concern over the “natural born citizen” and “eligibility” issues related to a desire to ensure the requisite chief executive fealty and allegiance to the nation and “… to prevent wealthy foreign citizens, and particularly wealthy foreign royalty and their progeny or relations, from scheming and buying their way into the presidency, or creating an American monarchy.”  See CRS Memo at 6-7.
 
This conclusion, of course, seems to be inconsistent with the “broad view of the term ‘natural born citizen’…” espoused elsewhere in the CRS Memo.  In any event, since The Law of Nations was plainly available to the Founders and “… informed their understanding of the principles of law which became established in the Constitution of 1787…,” (see U.S. Steel v. Multistate Tax Commission, ante, and Preface Comments, 1999 digital edition, The Law of Nations, ante), this omission from the CRS Memo’s “analysis” of any reference to de Vattel’s tome, substituting primary reliance on Blackstone’s Commentaries,  is one that stands out like the proverbial “empty room… except for that elephant in the corner,” or, to quote Sherlock Holmes, “the dog that didn’t bark.”
 
At minimum, one would expect a thorough evaluation of the issues from as “…authoritative, confidential, objective and nonpartisan…” an entity as the CRS to include at least a passing reference to § 212 of The Law of Nations, with whatever explanatory, distinguishing or dismissive comments might in the author’s mind be appropriate.  But the complete omission of any reference whatsoever to de Vattel is not only problematic from an objective, intellectual perspective, but could also presage a less benign motivation underlying the ultimate conclusions of the CRS Memo itself.
 
It would take far more time and energy than this writer presently possesses to dissect all of the components of the CRS Memo and explain why, at the end of the day, its ultimate conclusions are highly questionable and suspect, thus demanding far more examination than has thus far been expended on the issues.  Suffice it to say, however, that there are certain aspects of the memo which are extremely problematic and troubling and which thus both invite and necessitate more scrutiny.  Whether that scrutiny should come from official or unofficial sources or whether it should be addressed through legal action is a matter left for others to decide.
 
THE CORE OF THE CRS MEMO ATTACK
 
Specifically, in the first subsection of the “Legal Analysis” portion of the CRS Memo, it is contended that, based on the common law principle of “jus soli” or the “law of the soil” which existed in England and the Original Colonies in 1776, as well as under statutes and constitutional amendments coming into effect thereafter:
 
“… all persons born ‘in’ the United States and subject to its jurisdiction are citizens of the United States ‘at birth.’  As such, any person physically born ‘in’ the United States, regardless of the citizenship status of one’s parents (unless such parents are foreign diplomatic personnel not subject to the jurisdiction of the United States) would appear to be a ‘natural born’ citizen eligible to be President of the United States [fn. 25].” (Emphasis in original)
 
Footnote 25 of the memorandum cites “specifically” – meaning as a primary source for the assertion being made – as the authority for that contention the 1939 U.S. Supreme Court decision in a case called Perkins v. Elg, 307 U.S. 325 (1939) and its reliance on an 1875 “letter of advice” by U.S. Attorney General Edwards Pierrepont in a matter called Steinkauler’s Case. As will be seen shortly, not only is that reference misleading – the original statement of law coming from a different case involving a different fact situation – even if not misleading, it arrives at exactly the wrong legal conclusion.
 
Even before going through its “analysis,” the CRS Memo thus gives one a preview of the ultimate conclusion that, without regard to the citizenship status of one’s parents, if a person is born here, that person is a “natural born” citizen eligible to be President of the United States.
 
Stated otherwise, the CRS Memo posits for example, that if an illegal alien (some might prefer the term “undocumented immigrant”) pregnant woman, with or without an accompanying father, lawfully or unlawfully crosses the border – whether from Canada into North Dakota, Mexico into Texas, the Pacific Ocean into San Francisco, the Atlantic Ocean into New York City or the Gulf of Mexico into New Orleans – and gives live birth here, the child will, without more, meet the “natural born Citizen” criterion of the Constitution.  In effect, the CRS Memo thus eradicates any distinction between a “native born citizen” and a “natural born citizen,” conflating the two into a single, “one-size-fits-all” principle.
 
This point is recognized by Dr. Corsi at pp. 203-204 of his book, but without the additional analysis of why the eradication of the two concepts by their conflation into a single one is not only exactly what the Founders did not intend, but why it is something that cannot be supported under Perkins v. Elg as originally issued by the Supreme Court…, as opposed to how the Court’s opinion is paraphrased through ellipsis, yet offered up as a quote, in the CRS Memo and as discussed hereafter.
 
Indeed, that the “eligibility” distinction still exists between, on the one hand, a “native-born citizen” or a “naturalized citizen,” and on the other hand, a “natural born citizen” is confirmed by the Supreme Court decision in Schneider v. Rusk, 377 U.S. 163 (1964).  There, Justice Douglas opined for the majority (yes, there was a dissent), 377 U.S. at 165:
 
“We start that the rights of citizenship of the native born and of the naturalized person are of the same dignity and are coextensive.  The only difference drawn by the Constitution is that only the ‘natural born’ citizen is eligible to be President.  Art, II, s [§] 1.”  (Emphasis added).
 
Although the CRS Memo includes – oddly – several references to Schneider v. Rusk in support of its conclusions (see, e.g., CRS Memo fns. 24, 49 and its quote from Hollander v. McCain, 566 F. Supp. 2d 63, 66 (D. N.H. 2008), and fns. 51 and 66, referencing Rusk), nowhere in the CRS Memo is there an attempt to distinguish or explain away the statement (albeit denoted dictum) that “… only the ‘natural born’ citizen is eligible to be President.”
 
A cynic might be thus tempted to conclude that the only way of accomplishing the predetermined objective sought would be to turn to Perkins v. Elg, with its discussion of U.S. Attorney General Edwards Pierrepont’s “letter advice,” and “reverse engineer” a concocted result re-characterizing Marie Elg – who from birth was a natural born citizen – as being merely a ‘native born’ citizen, and then conflate that misleading and restrictive conclusion into what she actually was all along: a natural born citizen eligible to the presidency.
 
The principle to be kept in mind is simply this: all natural born citizens are also native born citizens, but not all native born citizens are natural born citizens. Stated otherwise, since Rusk notes that only a natural born citizen is eligible to serve as president, if Barack H. Obama is not a “natural born citizen,” the only way for the CRS Memo to otherwise “fudge” or “concoct” his eligibility is to morph his status as a “native born citizen” (which, if in fact he was born in Hawaii would be the case under the Wong Kim Ark decision) into a “natural born citizen” through the conflation of the two concepts.  This, as the opinion in Rusk confirms, cannot be done, at least with any intellectual propriety.
 
Moreover, does anyone believe that the CRS Memo’s main conclusion – that a child of foreign-born, non-U.S. citizens would be eligible to the presidency – is what Alexander Hamilton, James Madison or, in particular, John Jay had in mind when writing The Federalist?  Go back in this memo and read Jay’s advice to George Washington in 1787.  Does anyone really believe that the Founding Fathers who signed the Constitution would have agreed that, despite the teachings of de Vattel in § 212 of The Law of Nations with which they were familiar, this was what was intended through their careful selection of the words used in Art. 2, Section 1, Cl. 5 of their newly-minted Constitution?
 
Does anyone who reads the unanimous decision in Perkins v. Elg as originally written – as contrasted with how it is altered and paraphrased in the CRS Memo – really believe that the Founders intended that a child born here of a mother impregnated by an al Qaeda Pakistani father would, could or should be eligible to become president?   Yet that is the result posited by the CRS Memo.
 
Some who read the words of the CRS Memo – again, to be distinguished from the actual words of the Supreme Court decisions upon which it purports to rely for its conclusions, a matter addressed, post – might conclude in the affirmative.  On the other hand, a growing segment of the population might conclude that such a result is decidedly not what the Founders of this nation intended. And yet, this clearly appears to be the logical import of the product of a federal agency touting itself as Congress’ repository of “… the nation’s best thinking.”
 
Really?
 
Stated otherwise, since the teachings of de Vattel articulated in § 212 of The Law of Nations stand in such stark contrast to the conclusion of the CRS Memo – i.e., that the “natural born citizen” status of a person may exist regardless of the citizenship status of both parents, and in particular that of the father – it is at best inaccurate to contend that only the common law principles found in Blackstone’s Commentaries should inform the debate.  At worst, it is intentionally misleading.
 
And yet, the foregoing is not the worst problem with the CRS Memo.
 
The core problem with the CRS Memo takes the form of what seemingly is a conscious effort on the part of the memorandum drafters to “adjust” or “tweak” the actual language of two critical federal documents in order to arrive at a predetermined, targeted result.  The documents thus victimized in the CRS Memo are (1) the U.S. Supreme Court decision in Perkins v. Elg, 307 U.S. 325 (1939) and (2) the U.S. Attorney General’s “opinion” in Steinkauler’s Case, 15 Op. Atty. Gen. 15 (1875), accurately quoted in Elg, but altered and thus misquoted in the CRS Memo.  Let us hope this is an innocent mistake, for if it is not, it is a matter which should concern everyone, and in particular, 535 members of Congress.

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« Reply #1607 on: May 31, 2011, 05:39:18 AM »
Right.  I'm sure Donald Trump will be all over this.   ::)

aren't we still waiting for the Donald's men, who went to Hawaii and "Found out some amazing things...." to tell just what they are?
(or is he planning another book ?)
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« Reply #1608 on: May 31, 2011, 11:18:49 AM »
'Birther' book soars
CNN ^ | May 31, 2011 | Gabriella Schwarz


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A new book, now number six on the New York Times' Best Sellers list, is putting the so-called "birther" issue back on the national stage.

"Where's the Birth Certificate?" by Jerome Corsi, which debuted on the list out Sunday, argues President Obama is not a natural-born U.S. citizen and therefore cannot be president.

"Corsi demonstrates conclusively that no legal authority has ever verified Obama's legal eligibility to be president," the book reads.

Corsi also wrote "The Obama Nation" and "Unfit for Command," a 2004 book about Sen. John Kerry that focused on the "Swift Boat" television ads.


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« Reply #1609 on: May 31, 2011, 12:27:44 PM »
And in other news... Thomas Jefferson may have owned slaves.....

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« Reply #1610 on: May 31, 2011, 12:33:48 PM »
aren't we still waiting for the Donald's men, who went to Hawaii and "Found out some amazing things...." to tell just what they are?
(or is he planning another book ?)

Yeah.  He should disclose what those "amazing things" were. 

But he'll probably disclose them in a way that increases his bottom line. 

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« Reply #1611 on: May 31, 2011, 10:14:59 PM »
CNN covering this too?   :o

'Birther' book soars
By: CNN Associate Producer Gabriella Schwarz

(CNN) – A new book, now number six on the New York Times' Best Sellers list, is putting the so-called "birther" issue back on the national stage.

"Where's the Birth Certificate?" by Jerome Corsi, which debuted on the list out Sunday, argues President Obama is not a natural-born U.S. citizen and therefore cannot be president.

"Corsi demonstrates conclusively that no legal authority has ever verified Obama's legal eligibility to be president," the book reads.

Corsi also wrote "The Obama Nation" and "Unfit for Command," a 2004 book about Sen. John Kerry that focused on the "Swift Boat" television ads.

The "birther" controversy was front-and-center earlier this year, as billionaire businessman and real estate mogul Donald Trump repeatedly discussed the issue while considering a run for the White House. President Obama ultimately released the long-form version of his birth certificate that shows he was born in Hawaii on August 4, 1961. Soon after, Trump announced he would not make a bid for the GOP presidential nomination.

Despite the president's actions, 17 percent of Americans think the president was definitely or probably not born in the U.S., according to a recent CNN/Opinion Research Corporation poll taken after the president's announcement.

The survey showed a drop from the March poll numbers when 25 percent of those surveyed said the president was definitely or probably not born in America.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/05/31/birther-book-soars/#more-161615

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« Reply #1612 on: June 01, 2011, 06:14:51 AM »
And in other news... Thomas Jefferson may have owned slaves.....

...and birthed babies with them !  yikes ! ;D
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« Reply #1613 on: June 01, 2011, 11:31:12 AM »
Time sensitive and coming up fast so I'll post the rest after this.

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« Reply #1614 on: June 01, 2011, 11:35:05 AM »
http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/37113
Obama’s background of mirrors
- Doug Hagmann  Wednesday, June 1, 2011

Looking into the background of Barack Hussein Obama can be compared to looking into a kaleidoscope.  The difference is that instead of seeing pleasingly colorful and symmetrical designs created by light and mirrors, one sees both the mirrors and mechanisms that create the illusion and the asymmetry of the resultant image caused by a deliberate miscalibration of the mirrors. Turning the tube, or attempting to discern the image, only causes more unpleasant distortion.

Conducting legitimate background investigations should never be like looking into a kaleidoscope. It is a rather straightforward process. I should know, as I’ve done background checks as an investigator in the private sector for the last 26 years, mostly for Fortune 500 companies, screening potential executives selected to sit on boards of mega-corporations.  Questions are asked and answered, and all documentation requested of the selectees is willingly provided for the vetting process.

As one would expect, the requisite documentation includes but is not limited to actual hard copies of certified long form birth certificates, social security cards and passport records. No scanned images, no internet downloads, and most of all, no legal resistance to the process. The reasons for the former are obvious: digital documents are not suitable for authentication. With reference to the latter, legal resistance is a red flag of deception, either by commission or omission, and quickly warrants the selectee to a position of immediate suspicion.

In my years of conducting such background investigations, I’ve experienced such scenarios on less than a handful of occasions. Following through on each instance, I’ve uncovered evidence that the person under consideration was either lying about their credentials or was unqualified for the position due to fraudulent college and post-graduate credentials. In one particularly memorable case, I found that the selectee was actually a “plant” from a rival corporation, using an entirely fraudulent identity. In all such cases in which I’ve been involved, they’ve been dismissed or worse, subjected to criminal charges.

This brings me to the issue of Barack Hussein Obama following the interestingly-timed release of his alleged long form Certificate of Live Birth. Apparently, the establishment media has decided that the case is closed, hoping to send the “Birthers” back to their world of kooky conspiracy theories of obviously racist origins. The media, complicit in the process, has also been caught in some underhandedness regarding the book “Where’s the Birth Certificate” by Dr. Jerome Corsi. Even the self-proclaimed conservative network Fox News vapidly ambushed Dr. Corsi in an interview conducted by Greg Jarrett immediately following the release of his book. We would expect that kind of behavior from the left but not the administration’s number one critic.

Despite what “team Obama,” the complicit corporate media, and many ill-informed conservative pundits proclaim, the case of the deliberately opaque background of Barack Hussein Obama is far from closed. In fact, as Obama and the Obama White House has given his imprimatur of the recently released document, he has legally painted himself and others into a potential criminal corner.

Beyond the digital release of the Certificate of Live Birth, however, lies yet another aspect of his background that suggests the duplicitous use of his social security number. Lest anyone is about to accuse me or my network of being late to the party, we have been investigating this aspect of the background of the man seated in the Oval Office for some time. Much like Ohio private investigator Susan Daniels, investigator Neil Sankey and others have found, irregularities exist with the issuance of Barack Hussein Obama’s social security number. We have collected original proprietary database reports and other documents that indicate that Obama obtained, under possible fraudulent circumstances, an invalid social security number. While much discussion involves the state of issuance of that number, our investigation focuses on the circumstances surrounding that issuance.

Our soon-to-be-released findings will likely surprise you. It will also give you a glimpse of the internal mechanisms of the broken kaleidoscope. And be advised, we’ve found virtual “fingerprints” on the deliberately miscalibrated mirrors.

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« Reply #1615 on: June 01, 2011, 11:51:24 AM »
Is it enough?

We have Trump private investigators, we have Corsi's book.

supposedly the LBFC is an obvious fake.

Is there anyone with any power to make put this in the national spotlight?

Or is the evidence so weak it will be dismissed and therefore no one wants to touch it?

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« Reply #1616 on: June 01, 2011, 02:41:13 PM »
Is there anyone with any power to make put this in the national spotlight?

Or is the evidence so weak it will be dismissed and therefore no one wants to touch it?
huh?  :-\


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« Reply #1617 on: June 01, 2011, 02:52:59 PM »
huh?  :-\



Sorry lol.

Is there any one with the power to put this on the national spot light?

Why isn't Trump doing it?

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« Reply #1618 on: June 01, 2011, 03:05:29 PM »
Sorry lol.

Is there any one with the power to put this on the national spot light?

Why isn't Trump doing it?

Isn't it already in the national spotlight?  The MSM is covering it.  The whole movement lost whatever credibility it had (if it ever had any), but the media is still talking about it.

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« Reply #1619 on: June 01, 2011, 03:23:01 PM »
Isn't it already in the national spotlight?  The MSM is covering it.  The whole movement lost whatever credibility it had (if it ever had any), but the media is still talking about it.

Are they talking about what people on this thread are recently saying since the LFBC was released?  Are they talking how its being accused of being a fake?  Just wondering. 

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« Reply #1620 on: June 01, 2011, 04:16:35 PM »
Are they talking about what people on this thread are recently saying since the LFBC was released?  Are they talking how its being accused of being a fake?  Just wondering. 

They're talking about Corsi's book, which apparently discusses all of the CTs regarding Obama's citizenship, so I guess it's all already out there. 

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« Reply #1621 on: June 02, 2011, 10:42:04 AM »
from theobamafile.com
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2726180/posts?page=46#46
John Mirse says it has been about 4 WEEKS since Obama released his long form birth certificate back on April 27, 2011.

1.  Amazingly during those 4 weeks NOT a single word, sound, or anything has come from Kapiolani Hospital officials to verify that Kapiolani is indeed Obama's birth hospital as it is stated on Obama's long form birth certificate.  It is as if hospital officials have suddenly gone into hiding for some unknown reason.  Why is that?

2.  And I bet another month and another month and so on will pass by and Kapiolani Hosptal officials and Obama still won't allow reporters to examine Obama's mother's hospital records.  Why is that?

3.  Kapiolani Hospital officials know that they can drive a deadly dagger into the heart of birther nation if only Obama would give Kapiolani officials permission to allow reporters to examine Obama's mother's hospital records.

4.  But for some unknown reason, Obama won't give Kapiolani Hospital officials permission to release his deceased mother's records of Aug. 4, 1961---Obama's birth date---to reporters.  Why is that?

5.  My opinion is this: Kapiolani Officials will never release Obama's mother's records to reporters because there are no such records to release, that is, Obama's mother was NEVER a patient at Kapiolani Hospital on Aug. 4, 1961 as is stated on Obama's long form birth certificate.

6.  So until Kapiiolani Hospital officials and Obama allow reporters to examine Obama's mother's records of Aug. 4, 1961, I can only conclude that there are NO records for Obama's mother for Aug. 4, 1961.

7.  I may eat my words later, but I say again that until reporters are allowed to examine Obama's mother's records for Aug, 4, 1961, I can only conclude that there are NO Kapiolani records for Obama's mother for Aug. 4, 1961, the day Obama claims as his birth date.

8.  And the longer Kapiolani officials and Obama play hardball when it comes to the release of Obama's mother's records, the more VOTES Obama will lose on election day Nov. 2012, because many VOTERS like me won't be able to understand how PObama, on the one hand, can release his long form birth certificate to great fanfare at a White House press conference on April 27, 1961, but, on the other hand, he continues to play hardball when the public asks him to take the next step and allow Kapiolani Hospital officials to release his deceased mother's records for Aug. 4, 1961, the day Obama says is his birth date.

9.  That is, VOTERS like me are starting to wonder about this: What is so important/damaging about the information in Obama's deceased mother's Aug. 4, 1961 Kapiolani Hospital records that is not already on Obama's long form birth certificate that Obama released to the public with great fanfare at a White House press conference on April 27, 2011?  Strange.  Very strange.

And, why does Obama's campaign website say he was born at Queens Medical Center?

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« Reply #1622 on: June 02, 2011, 03:25:20 PM »
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=306425
Author: 'Birth Certificate' prompts departure of White House counsel
Corsi says move 'marks beginning' of end of Obama eligibility cover-up
June 02, 2011

The author of the best-selling "Where's the Birth Certificate? The Case That Barack Obama Is Not Eligible To Be President" charged today the resignation of White House counsel Bob Bauer is the result of his participation in the release of Barack Obama's "Certificate of Live Birth," which he fears would not stand up to the scrutiny of any serious investigation by the FBI, Congress or the media.

When the announcement about Bauer's departure was made today, the AP said he was returning to private practice and to "represent Obama as his personal attorney and as general counsel to Obama's re-election campaign."

He's being replaced by Kathy Ruemmler, who is a former assistant U.S. attorney.

The AP reported Obama praised Bauer, who before his White House post had defended Obama against lawsuits that challenged his eligibility to be president.

But Jerome Corsi, Ph.D., who authored the "Where's the Birth Certificate?" book that debuted at No. 6 on the New York Times best-sellers list after reaching No. 1 several weeks earlier at Amazon.com, said, "I think Bauer's resignation marks the beginning of the Obama eligibility cover-up starting to unwind."

Corsi believes Bauer "felt compelled" to resign because of the growing substance to worries that the eligibility issue will blow up into a full-scale investigation.

"Bauer sent Perkins and Coie attorneys to Honolulu to pick up from the Hawaii Department of Health what he believed would be two certified copies of Obama's 1961 long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate," Corsi said.

"When the White House released to the public the birth certificate in the form of a PDF computer file obviously created on Adobe software and a Xerox copy, Bauer realized the Hawaii DOH had participated in the fraud," Corsi charged.

He said he had been tipped off early in February that a long-form birth document for Obama had been forged, and that the document was to be released.

"The information came from a mole within the Hawaii DOH who had been examining the vault logbook for months," Corsi explained. "Until just prior to February 24, no Obama long-form hospital-generated birth record could be found in the Hawaii DOH."

Corsi, whose book also has ascended to the upper reaches of a long list of other best-seller tabulations, said, "When [Hawaii] Gov. [Neal] Abercrombie could not find the Obama birth records he had been searching for and radio journalist Mike Evans said so in a broadcast repeated over a series of radio stations across the nation, a decision was made within the White House to use a forgery that may have been in the works since as early as 2008."

Corsi said he believes the scenario developed this way:

Obama and Valerie Jarrett wanted to continue the stonewalling strategy they had used since 2008, relying on the short-form "Certification of Live Birth" and having Hawaii DOH claim that long-form birth certificate copies were no longer available, not even to Obama.

Obama and Jarrett had planned to use the forged birth certificate as an October surprise, just prior to the November 2012 election, if the pressure on Obama's eligibility remained an obstacle to his reelection.

But this strategy was overruled by WH Chief of Staff Bill Daley. He determined that a birth certificate, if it existed, had to be released now – to prevent the issue from gaining momentum.
"I believe both Daley and Bauer believed until recently that Obama was telling the truth and that the birth certificate was really there in the Hawaii DOH," Corsi said. "When they realized that the date stamp on the computer file of the Obama birth certificate that was put up on the White House website on April 27 was that morning, Bauer realized the White House was lying to say a scan of the original document was being released."

Corsi said he's convinced that now top White House operatives such as Daley and Bauer believe there is no document in the Hawaii Department of Health that can withstand forensic analysis.

He said the legal challenges to a specific document that has been made public could be harder to deflect than a lawsuit generally alleging an ineligibility on Obama's part.

Corsi also said he believes top operatives in the Democratic Party "have concluded that if Obama does not kill the birther issue soon, he may have to resign – with the likelihood that Hillary Clinton will be elevated into the DNC presidential candidate in 2012."

Corsi suggested Republicans also are staying away from the "birther" issue because they have reached the same conclusion – and the RNC does not want "to have to face Hillary in the 2012 presidential election in the wake of an Obama resignation."

"What forced the release of the birth certificate on April 27 was the coming publication of the [Where's the Birth Certificate?] book," said Corsi.

"Bauer's resignation is the first step in the crumbling of inside support for Obama in the White House."

Corsi said pursuit of the "forger" who created the Obama "Certificate of Live Birth" already is well under way.

"The forgery consists of a composite of these various Hawaii 1961 legitimate documents, onto which was added Obama-specific information, with the result that the final version was composed in Adobe software," Corsi said.

WND reported when Bauer joined the White House.

Obama announced at that point he was waiving ethics rules for Bauer, his personal and campaign lawyer – and the same attorney who has defended Obama in lawsuits challenging his eligibility to be president.

But Executive Order 13490, "Ethics Commitments by Executive Branch Personnel," prohibits political appointees from participating in any matter involving specific parties that is directly and substantially related to former employers or former clients. The rule typically expires two years after the date of appointment.

According to the ethics waiver posted on the White House website, Bauer was exempted from the requirements of the ethics pledge "solely with respect to his former client the Democratic National Committee (DNC), and with respect to his former employer Perkins Coie LLP (Perkins Coie) in its capacity as counsel to the DNC and to President Barack Obama in his personal capacity."

The waiver suggested the ethics rules would have prevented Bauer from working on Obama's financial disclosure forms or issues related to the Democratic National Committee.

As WND reported, in April 2009, Bauer sent a letter to plaintiff Gregory Hollister, a retired Air Force colonel, of Hollister v. Soetoro, threatening sanctions if he didn't withdraw his appeal of the eligibility case that earlier was tossed by a district judge because the issue already had been "twittered."

"For the reasons stated in Judge Robertson's ruling, the suit is frivolous and should not be pursued," Bauer's letter warned. "Should you decline to withdraw this frivolous appeal, please be informed that we intend to pursue sanctions, including costs, expenses and attorneys' fees, pursuant to Federal Rule of Appellate Procedure 38 and D.C. Circuit Rule 38."



Bauer also represented Obama and the DNC in Philip Berg's eligibility lawsuit and various other legal challenges.

During the 2008 presidential campaign, Bauer functioned as an "attack lawyer," threatening with FEC complaints groups wanting to run anti-Obama television ads.

Also during the 2008 presidential campaign, Bauer as counsel for the Obama campaign wrote letters to television station managers and to Department of Justice Assistant Attorney General John Keeney arguing that airing an anti-Obama ad pointing to the known association between Obama and Weather Underground radical Bill Ayers would violate federal election rules.

Additionally, during the 2008 campaign, Bauer intervened on behalf of Obama to block the California-based American Leadership Project from running a television ad campaign over support from unions, including the Service Employees International Union.

Again, Bauer filed a complaint with the FEC alleging that the union-funded television campaign the American Leadership Project planned to run in Indiana against Obama was illegal under federal election laws.

In addition to representing Obama on eligibility cases, Bauer also served as legal counsel to represent the president in the criminal probe into the activities of former Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich.

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http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=306873
Friday, June 03, 2011
Obama critic coming closer to Social Security records?
Judge advances FOIA dispute over application for Connecticut number
By Bob Unruh

Much information has been reported – and much more still is being sought – about Barack Obama's original birth documentation, and whether it reveals his eligibility to be president under the Constitution's requirement those in the Oval Office be a "natural born Citizen."
But under the radar of most new organizations a case has been moving forward in Washington, D.C., through which California attorney Orly Taitz is seeking the original application for Obama's Social Security number, a document that could reveal a multitude of factors about the president's early life.

U.S. District Court Chief Judge Royce Lamberth this week rejected a defense concern over procedure in the dispute, and Taitz told WND today the case has moved into discovery and she can issue subpoenas to those holding the documentation she is seeking.

Get the New York Times best-seller "Where's the Birth Certificate? The Case that Barack Obama Is Not Eligible to be President," by Jerome Corsi.

WND previously has reported on the issue that Obama holds a Connecticut-based Social Security numberdespite allegedly being born in Hawaii, starting his work career in the Aloha State, and never having lived in Connecticut.

For those who never wondered about how Social Security Numbers are generated, the first three digits represent the state of the recipient's mailing address. In other words, if you live or work in Connecticut, for example, the first three digits of your SSN will correspond to the Connecticut code.

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The first three digits of Obama's SSN are 042. That code of 042 falls within the range of numbers for Connecticut, which according to the Social Security Administration has been 040 through 049.

The national news media has been virtually silent on this potentially criminal fact.

Indeed, when Fox News finally attempted to explain it, it broadcast false information and then scrubbed it from its website.

When WND asked the White House about it, then–Press Secretary Robert Gibbs dodged the question.



Taitz' case is against Social Security commissioner Michael Astrue and explains that because of the multitude of questions surrounding Obama's eligibility, his birth certificate and his other records, the Freedom of Information Act request was submitted.

The Social Security Administration rejected it, and that decision was affirmed by a district court ruling that found the administrative procedures still had a course to run. But that now has been completed and the case is before Lamberth again.

He ruled this week that FOIA actions "are exempt" from a local court "meet and confer" requirement and he gave Astrue 30 days to file "any dispositive motions."

The federal government had argued that Taitz' process to subpoena individuals with access to the long-sought documentation was out of order, but the court ruling means it is within procedures.

According to a report in the Post & Email online blog, Taitz reported, "We're now in discovery, so I can issue subpoenas."

That is a level that no other case challenging Obama's eligibility or birth certificate ever has reached.

She said she already has contacted the Hawaii Department of Health, which is custodian of Hawaiian records, about her requests, and she said another recipient very well could be the White House.

She noted that White House Counsel Robert Bauer resigned that post just yesterday, and suggested Bauer might not have wanted to be deposed regarding questions about Obama's "Certificate of Live Birth," a document presented to the nation as genuine when the White House released it on April 27.

However, a multitude of experts have said it is a document assembled on computer and unlikely to be legitimate.

Taitz suggested that Bauer's move back into private practiced may have been speeded by worries over the eligibility dispute.

In fact, Jerome Corsi, Ph.D., and author of "Where's the Birth Certificate? The Case that Barack Obama Is Not Eligible to be President,"said he's convinced Bauer's move is because he fears the "Certificate of Live Birth" document would not stand up to the scrutiny of any serious investigation.

Corsi believes Bauer "felt compelled" to resign because of the growing substance to worries that the eligibility issue will blow up into a full-scale investigation.

"Bauer sent Perkins and Coie attorneys to Honolulu to pick up from the Hawaii Department of Health what he believed would be two certified copies of Obama's 1961 long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate," Corsi said. "When the White House released to the public the birth certificate in the form of a PDF computer file obviously created on Adobe software and a Xerox copy, Bauer realized the Hawaii DOH had participated in the fraud."

He said he had been tipped off early in February that a long-form birth document for Obama had been forged and that the document was to be released.

"The information came from a mole within the Hawaii DOH who had been examining the vault logbook for months," Corsi explained. "Until just prior to February 24, no Obama long-form hospital-generated birth record could be found in the Hawaii DOH."

As WND has reported, there long have been concerns about the Social Security number.

"There is obviously a case of fraud going on here," says Ohio licensed private investigator Susan Daniels. "In 15 years of having a private investigator's license in Ohio, I've never seen the Social Security Administration make a mistake of issuing a Connecticut Social Security number to a person who lived in Hawaii. There is no family connection that would appear to explain the anomaly."

Does the Social Security Administration ever re-issue Social Security numbers?

"Never," Daniels told Corsi. "It's against the law for a person to have a re-issued or second Social Security Number issued."

Daniels said she is "staking my reputation on a conclusion that Obama's use of this Social Security Number is fraudulent."

"A person who wants to hide their true identity often picks up the Social Security Number of a deceased person, thinking that nobody would ever look into it," Daniels added. "I think it was sometime in the 1980s that Obama decided to hide who he really is."

There is no indication in the limited background documentation released by the Obama 2008 presidential campaign or by the White House to establish that Obama ever lived in Connecticut.

Nor is there any suggestion in Obama's autobiography, "Dreams from My Father," that he ever had a Connecticut address.

Also, nothing can be found in the public record that indicates Obama visited Connecticut during his high-school years.

An affidavit filed by Colorado private investigator John N. Sampson specifies that as a result of his formal training as an immigration officer and his 27-year career in professional law enforcement, "it is my knowledge and belief that Social Security Numbers can only be applied for in the state in which the applicant habitually resides and has their official residence."

Daniels told WND she believes Obama had a different Social Security Number when he worked as a teenager in Hawaii prior to 1977.

"I doubt this is President Obama's originally issued Social Security Number," she told WND. "Obama has a work history in Hawaii before he left the islands to attend college at Occidental College in California, so he must have originally been issued a Social Security Number in Hawaii."

The published record available about Obama indicates his first job as a teenager in Hawaii was at a Baskin-Robbins in the Makiki neighborhood on Oahu. USA Today reported the ice-cream shop still was in operation one year after Obama's inauguration.

Just last month some 11 months after WND began publicizing Obama's Connecticut-based SSN, Bill O'Reilly of the Fox News Channel briefly addressed the issue while reading his viewer mail on the air.

Unfortunately for O'Reilly, the news anchor falsely asserted the president's father lived in Connecticut.

In his viewer email segment April 13, O'Reilly was asked: "What about Obama having a Connecticut Social Security Number? He never lived there."

"His father lived in Connecticut for several years," O'Reilly claimed, adding that "babies sometimes get numbers based on addresses provided by their parents."

In reality, there is no evidence Barack Obama Sr. ever lived in Connecticut. He left Hawaii in 1962 to study at Harvard in Massachusetts and then returned to his home country of Kenya.

When WND publicized O'Reilly's major error, the information vanished from the Fox News Channel's website, as well as BillOReilly.com.

O'Reilly's full explanation of the "truth" of Obama "myths" is here:



The BirtherReport.com website, responding to complaints by Fox podcast customers that O'Reilly's Social Security claim, broadcast on Fox, had gone missing from the audio archive, trumpeted the headline: "Busted: Fox News scrubbed Bill O'Reilly's 4/13 mailbag segment on Obama's Social Security Number reserved for Connecticut applicants." The site added, "Not only did Fox News scrub the podcast, they also left out the viewer email about Obama's Social Security number at O'Reilly's website. I report, you decide!"

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Atty Stephen Pidgeon Found Record of Name Change for Barack Obama in British Columbia - 6/3/11



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LINKS: Interview with attorney Stephen Pidgeon. Attorney Pidgeon claims he found a record for a name change from "Barak Mounir Ubayd" to "Barack Hussein Obama" on October 14th, 1982 in Skookumchuck, British Columbia. Attorney Pidgeon also discusses his new book titled "The Obama Error" which can be purchased here. The interview aired 6/3/2011 on TruNews Radio. - http://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com/2011/06/attorney-stephen-pidgeon-... -