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What are your thoughts on it?
I guess it's legal and apparently the officer in the video above has his Chief taking action to fire him.
I see the videos more frequently now and the cops are desperately trying anything to zing the person on (claiming improper hand signals from car or getting businesses to criminal trespass these people).
My take:
I suppose it's like burning the flag. A legitimate form of free speech, but I would never engage in it. It's rude, obnoxious, and you're pretty much a dick for doing it.
It's certainly an attempt by cops to abuse their authority. When I get flipped off, the cops don't do shit and I couldn't even imagine calling 911 over it, lol. But, they seem to feel they should have special rights and that's gotta stop.
If the rest of us can live with getting flipped off, so can the cops.
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The guy is lucky he wasn't shot (it's likely that the officer "feared for his life") even though he didn't do anything illegal.
There was a U.S. Court of Appeals for the 2nd Circuit decision (http://www.ca2.uscourts.gov/decisions/isysquery/8ea5193d-9b87-4e23-9840-a803659cf798/1/doc/11-2846_opn.pdf#xml=http://www.ca2.uscourts.gov/decisions/isysquery/8ea5193d-9b87-4e23-9840-a803659cf798/1/hilite/) about a similar issue. But then it seems some cops don't care about laws or court decisions but only about citizens "disrespecting their authority".
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Always smart to piss off the people who could make ur life real difficult...
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(a) A person commits an offense if he intentionally or knowingly:(1) uses abusive, indecent, profane, or vulgar language in a public place, and the language by its very utterance tends to incite an immediate breach of the peace;(2) makes an offensive gesture or display in a public place, and the gesture or display tends to incite an immediate breach of the peace; -
In Texas, there are times when that gesture could result in an arrest. However it is understood that cops can not be offended under this statute. It has to be a 3rd party.
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The guy in the video is an idiot. I'm glad he got pepper sprayed.
Regarding flipping off cops, I don't think it should be illegal, but it's a really dumb thing to do.
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The guy in the video is an idiot. I'm glad he got pepper sprayed.
Regarding flipping off cops, I don't think it should be illegal, but it's a really dumb thing to do.
You'd say it's dumb, because it relies on trusting the cop?
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You'd say it's dumb, because it relies on trusting the cop?
I say it's dumb because it's dumb to provoke a stranger for no reason, especially a stranger with all sorts of weapons and the ability to arrest you.
What kind of idiot goes around flipping off cops?? Except for the guy in this video who was looking for trouble?
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I say it's dumb because it's dumb to provoke a stranger for no reason, especially a stranger with all sorts of weapons and the ability to arrest you.
What kind of idiot goes around flipping off cops?? Except for the guy in this video who was looking for trouble?
Affirmative, in other words.
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Affirmative, in other words.
No. What I actually said.
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No. What I actually said.
If it's not illegal in your scenario, then what could explain it but a lack of trust in the cop?
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...the feeling that it's "dumb".
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the law is the law. I love a society where people can flip police the bird cause guess what... it means we live in a FREE COUNTRY where we are FREE to express out beliefs and use words without getting an ass-whooping for it.
In Iraq, you talk shit about authority and get beaten/locked up. It's bullshit if it happens in the USA.
I like cops, I like lawyers, I like public servants. But I respect the ability of americans - under the constitution - to say what they want.
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If it's not illegal in your scenario, then what could explain it but a lack of trust in the cop?
Are you seriously asking me why it's dumb to flip off a stranger for no reason, including a cop?
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Are you seriously asking me why it's dumb to flip off a stranger for no reason, including a cop?
No. Just that.
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I hate that any American thinks it's okay for a cop to abuse power against. A person who broke no law, just because cop has gun and arrest power.
Part of what makes America beautiful is that we have freedom to shit on anyone we want, within the law. Good and bad alike. The same freedoms to criticize Obama also applies to cops. The moment it's okay to flip off a terrorist and not a cop, we don't live in America anymore. In a truly free nation, you should be able to flip off both, even if flipping off a cop makes a person a total punch able dick. In truly free nations, dicks can be dicks.
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No. Just that.
Common sense? Common decency? Not acting like a punk? Not unnecessarily provoking someone?
Why would you flip off anyone, including a cop, for no reason?
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Common sense? Common decency? Not acting like a punk? Not unnecessarily provoking someone?
Why would you flip off anyone, including a cop, for no reason?
This is the part I'm trying to figure out, though, since it would explain the "dumb" part.
And it's not a matter of distrusting the cop, you say?
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Here's a good one: Who do you think you'd sooner get away with flipping off?
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The cop or someone else?
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This is the part I'm trying to figure out, though, since it would explain the "dumb" part.
And it's not a matter of distrusting the cop, you say?
It's exactly what I said. Doing something that lacks common sense is dumb. Think about what you would teach your kid. Would you teach your kid that it's ok to flip off a stranger for no reason?
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It's exactly what I said. Doing something that lacks common sense is dumb. Think about what you would teach your kid. Would you teach your kid that it's ok to flip off a stranger for no reason?
A person that flips-off a cop isn't likely doing it for "no reason". Wouldn't you agree?
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A person that flips-off a cop isn't likely doing it for "no reason". Wouldn't you agree?
Probably not. How about "no good reason." It's just not appropriate behavior. It shouldn't be illegal, but that doesn't mean it isn't dumb.
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Probably not. How about "no good reason." It's just not appropriate behavior. It shouldn't be illegal, but that doesn't mean it isn't dumb.
Good luck getting everyone to behave appropriately.
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Good luck getting everyone to behave appropriately.
Of course that will never happen. People will always do dumb things.
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I don't think anyone would deny that the cops practically invite so-inclined people to act this way.
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Of course that will never happen. People will always do dumb things.
That's why it's so important to be able to place honest trust in the cops.
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That's why it's so important to be able to place honest trust in the cops.
Ok. Whatever that means.
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It's a free country. It's a hand gesture and a disrespectful one at that. But it doesn't harm anything but his fragile ego.
This is America. You don't beat, arrest, punish someone for doing something legal.
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It's a free country. It's a hand gesture and a disrespectful one at that. But it doesn't harm anything but his fragile ego.
This is America. You don't beat, arrest, punish someone for doing something legal.
Why do you keep repeating yourself? Nobody in this thread said it should be illegal.
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Ok. Whatever that means.
Don't you agree that it's the entire point, when it comes to the police?
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Don't you agree that it's the entire point, when it comes to the police?
No. Everyone needs to act reasonably.
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No. Everyone needs to act reasonably.
Affirmative, in other words.
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I'm not sure how I view this. Part of me thinks that you should have respect for authority, and not provoke someone by acting like a jackass. That second part goes both ways though.
I also fear at times, that this progressive society we live in will at some point get out of hand. I guess at that point we hit the reset button and start over.
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Affirmative, in other words.
Negative.
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Fact is, certain people will feel overwhelmed by an urge to raise their middle finger in the general direction of the cops. I can sometimes relate with fellow Americans on that, and I want people to be able to do it without fear.
I wouldn't recommend anyone do it, though, because it relies on misplaced trust.
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I wouldn't recommend it because it's friggin stupid.
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I wouldn't recommend it because it's friggin stupid.
Because you can't trust knowing what reaction the cop might pull out of his ass?
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Funny thing is, I think we've found the ultimate test for a cop.
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Because you can't trust knowing what reaction the cop might pull out of his ass?
Because it's friggin stupid.
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Because you can't trust knowing what reaction the cop might pull out of his ass?
so you think it's a good idea then???
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so you think it's a good idea then???
No.
Do you?
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No.
Do you?
Not at all, think it's totally asking for it. Everyone knows it means "fuck you" so it's not saying it, but means it. Saying "fuck you" to a cop can only get you in trouble.
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Not at all, think it's totally asking for it. Everyone knows it means "fuck you" so it's not saying it, but means it. Saying "fuck you" to a cop can only get you in trouble.
Yes. Despite his position, a cop can't be trusted to control his actions.
The fact that we all take it as granted is what's unsettling, I guess.
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Not at all, think it's totally asking for it. Everyone knows it means "fuck you" so it's not saying it, but means it. Saying "fuck you" to a cop can only get you in trouble.
But should it?
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A person that flips-off a cop isn't likely doing it for "no reason". Wouldn't you agree?
In this case, it was to provoke a response. Cop Watch and similar organizations are notorious for pushing buttons then crying about being mistreated. I concur it is dumb. It is disrespectful and it's juvenile. It would be dumb to call a black cop the "N" word. Sure, you should be able to trust that the cop will be professional and not give a response, but there is the human factor involved. Why even go there? I've been flipped off dozens of times. Sometimes it ends in arrest due to other factors, some times it doesn't. But if I was on the fence about making an arrest or not, flipping me off would certainly be a factor. The point Dos Equis was making is a valid one.. it's the opposite of smart, to flip off any stranger, including cops
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but there is the human factor involved.
Here's the thing - and you're right - but here's the thing...
When one cop looks the other way as another cop breaks the rules in any way, the human factor goes out the window. At that point, BOTH cops may as well be russians or whatever. People hate them.
There's way too much of that "look the other way" and "don't report your peers for breaking the rules".
I tells ya... the MOMENT we see a mass "snitching", where the good cops turn in the bad ones, and bad cops are given the same sentences as the people they frame would receiver, THEN they'll get that ultimate respect.
Right now - people just don't trust them. Even a 38 year old white dude like me, never a victim of profiling - I don't trust cops to be honest if it in ANY way will affect their income, their family, their career, or even their reputation.
If I'm wrong, tell me. If cops DO turn in their peers, tell me. If 99% of the cops on the street wouldn't lie to cover their asses, tell me. Cause they're sworn to a higher standard. They CANNOT cut corners like the bagboy or gas station attendant - because they're trusted with life/death power, and power to remove any of our freedom with just their words. Their word is EVERYTHING, and whether you know it or not - most of us just don't trust cops to serve any greater good but their own first. Am I wrong?
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Here's the thing - and you're right - but here's the thing...
When one cop looks the other way as another cop breaks the rules in any way, the human factor goes out the window. At that point, BOTH cops may as well be russians or whatever. People hate them.
There's way too much of that "look the other way" and "don't report your peers for breaking the rules".
I tells ya... the MOMENT we see a mass "snitching", where the good cops turn in the bad ones, and bad cops are given the same sentences as the people they frame would receiver, THEN they'll get that ultimate respect.
Right now - people just don't trust them. Even a 38 year old white dude like me, never a victim of profiling - I don't trust cops to be honest if it in ANY way will affect their income, their family, their career, or even their reputation.
If I'm wrong, tell me. If cops DO turn in their peers, tell me. If 99% of the cops on the street wouldn't lie to cover their asses, tell me. Cause they're sworn to a higher standard. They CANNOT cut corners like the bagboy or gas station attendant - because they're trusted with life/death power, and power to remove any of our freedom with just their words. Their word is EVERYTHING, and whether you know it or not - most of us just don't trust cops to serve any greater good but their own first. Am I wrong?
So if you were a cop, got a ticket for speeding by another cop, you would ok with it? Ya wouldn't want a pass?
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Here's the thing - and you're right - but here's the thing...
When one cop looks the other way as another cop breaks the rules in any way, the human factor goes out the window. At that point, BOTH cops may as well be russians or whatever. People hate them.
There's way too much of that "look the other way" and "don't report your peers for breaking the rules".
I tells ya... the MOMENT we see a mass "snitching", where the good cops turn in the bad ones, and bad cops are given the same sentences as the people they frame would receiver, THEN they'll get that ultimate respect.
Right now - people just don't trust them. Even a 38 year old white dude like me, never a victim of profiling - I don't trust cops to be honest if it in ANY way will affect their income, their family, their career, or even their reputation.
If I'm wrong, tell me. If cops DO turn in their peers, tell me. If 99% of the cops on the street wouldn't lie to cover their asses, tell me. Cause they're sworn to a higher standard. They CANNOT cut corners like the bagboy or gas station attendant - because they're trusted with life/death power, and power to remove any of our freedom with just their words. Their word is EVERYTHING, and whether you know it or not - most of us just don't trust cops to serve any greater good but their own first. Am I wrong?
I can tell you this, at my department, the vast majority of Internal Affairs complaints originate with officers. Not from outside the department.
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So if you were a cop, got a ticket for speeding by another cop, you would ok with it? Ya wouldn't want a pass?
Just saw a FB post on a police page where one of our retired cops who is now with our communication division got a $200 ticket for using his cell phone while driving which is against our city ordinance. he posted on the FB page that he got it even after mentioning he was a retired APD cop. I think he worked the streets in the 80's. He was not really "complaining" but he really was complaining... He was told in no uncertain terms that the bad guy in this scenario wasn't the cop, but the guy who thought he should get a pass because he was a retired cop. Some retired cops came to his defense but for the most part, the cops supported the active duty cop writing the ticket. It ain't the old days anymore.
Some excerpts-
"Scott, an officer enforcing the law equally and fairly is nothing to be ashamed of.. Ever. I'll leave it at that"
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And everything is on video. Supervisors have to regularly review the video. If they see him let you skate and they don't hammer him, they get hammered. It is a new day, I never did it but if I get stopped I am never gonna come down on an officer that did his job"
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I can tell you this, at my department, the vast majority of Internal Affairs complaints originate with officers. Not from outside the department.
that;s awesome to hear. I support cops 100%. My grandfather was career LEO in OH. But CROOKED cops? piss me off more than even bad guys, because they have added power and thus a higher standard. It's like if a teacher sexually assaults a 14 year old girl vs. if some scumbag in the club does it. Both deserve prison, no doubt, but the teacher has POWER over this girl and a vow to adhere to higher ethics.
Scumbag needs 15 years in prison, but the teacher needs 25 years.
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Just saw a FB post on a police page where one of our retired cops who is now with our communication division got a $200 ticket for using his cell phone while driving which is against our city ordinance. he posted on the FB page that he got it even after mentioning he was a retired APD cop. I think he worked the streets in the 80's. He was not really "complaining" but he really was complaining... He was told in no uncertain terms that the bad guy in this scenario wasn't the cop, but the guy who thought he should get a pass because he was a retired cop. Some retired cops came to his defense but for the most part, the cops supported the active duty cop writing the ticket. It ain't the old days anymore.
that's good. We had the red light camera thing installed here. Six cops ran it, and all six paid it. A coverup on an obvious crime caught on camera would be way worse than a $120 ticket.
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that;s awesome to hear. I support cops 100%. My grandfather was career LEO in OH. But CROOKED cops? piss me off more than even bad guys, because they have added power and thus a higher standard. It's like if a teacher sexually assaults a 14 year old girl vs. if some scumbag in the club does it. Both deserve prison, no doubt, but the teacher has POWER over this girl and a vow to adhere to higher ethics.
Scumbag needs 15 years in prison, but the teacher needs 25 years.
Trust me, crooked cops piss me off more than they do you.. there are a bunch of us who work hard to uphold the honor and integrity of the position... all it takes is one idiot to set us back years.
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Trust me, crooked cops piss me off more than they do you.. there are a bunch of us who work hard to uphold the honor and integrity of the position... all it takes is one idiot to set us back years.
I bet that really does piss off the good cops, which are most of them.
Every time you see some jackass cop eat a pot brownie or pocket thousands of dollars in a raid, you realize you are going to be painted with that same brush.
Of course, if they FIRE their asses fast, if they make a big example of them, then people would stop thinking all cops cover for all cops. I think they're WAY too lenient on cops that break the law, frame people, even write up reports wrong. Do you agree?
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I bet that really does piss off the good cops, which are most of them.
Every time you see some jackass cop eat a pot brownie or pocket thousands of dollars in a raid, you realize you are going to be painted with that same brush.
Of course, if they FIRE their asses fast, if they make a big example of them, then people would stop thinking all cops cover for all cops. I think they're WAY too lenient on cops that break the law, frame people, even write up reports wrong. Do you agree?
It's too vague a question. For example, there have been cases where you felt a cop wrote a report wrong, or purposefully left something out. You would say he needs to be punished, I would say he doesn't as it was not the case. The "choke hold" on the dude that ended up dying is a specific example. Because the cop didn't use the word "choke hold" doesn't mean the force wasn't described in the report. But in general, absolutely. I was just discussing this with a co-worker last week. We have the authority to take someones liberty away. Cops on the street often make several arrests a night. hundreds a year. We tend to deal with similar elements over and over. Some of those people spend more time in jail/prison than they do at home. A trip to jail is no big deal. However, there are people who have never been to jail who would find the experience very traumatic. So before we make the decision to arrest someone, often times on crimes such as Public Intoxication, Disorderly Conduct and things of that nature, we really need to be sure that's the appropriate route. Not to mention a bad arrest for a family violence assault could destroy the family in the long run, it's not something to take lightly. But when it's clear an officer lied in a report, then I'm all for firing them and filing charges. I've seen examples where cops got off easy because they were cops. I don't agree with that for criminal offenses. They should get the maximum.
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It's too vague a question. For example, there have been cases where you felt a cop wrote a report wrong, or purposefully left something out. You would say he needs to be punished, I would say he doesn't as it was not the case. The "choke hold" on the dude that ended up dying is a specific example. Because the cop didn't use the word "choke hold" doesn't mean the force wasn't described in the report. But in general, absolutely. I was just discussing this with a co-worker last week. We have the authority to take someones liberty away. Cops on the street often make several arrests a night. hundreds a year. We tend to deal with similar elements over and over. Some of those people spend more time in jail/prison than they do at home. A trip to jail is no big deal. However, there are people who have never been to jail who would find the experience very traumatic. So before we make the decision to arrest someone, often times on crimes such as Public Intoxication, Disorderly Conduct and things of that nature, we really need to be sure that's the appropriate route. Not to mention a bad arrest for a family violence assault could destroy the family in the long run, it's not something to take lightly. But when it's clear an officer lied in a report, then I'm all for firing them and filing charges. I've seen examples where cops got off easy because they were cops. I don't agree with that for criminal offenses. They should get the maximum.
great response. I wish every cop had your sense of maturity and responsibility. Way too many immature idiots out there watching Shield or The Wire thinking they can crack skulls and lie.
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In this case, it was to provoke a response. Cop Watch and similar organizations are notorious for pushing buttons then crying about being mistreated. I concur it is dumb. It is disrespectful and it's juvenile. It would be dumb to call a black cop the "N" word. Sure, you should be able to trust that the cop will be professional and not give a response, but there is the human factor involved. Why even go there? I've been flipped off dozens of times. Sometimes it ends in arrest due to other factors, some times it doesn't. But if I was on the fence about making an arrest or not, flipping me off would certainly be a factor. The point Dos Equis was making is a valid one.. it's the opposite of smart, to flip off any stranger, including cops
Yes. The reason it might be called dumb and the reason it might be said to defy common sense, is because it is expected that the typical cop can't control his emotions and is incapable of resisting his own inappropriate behavior - which is sure to exceed raising a finger back.
(and once again, to show how extreme the degree: WHO would you sooner get away with flipping off?)
Meaning that these things are the exact opposite of what they need to be. Isn't that the truth?
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I've seen examples where cops got off easy because they were cops. I don't agree with that for criminal offenses. They should get the maximum.
How so? What about Internal Affairs?
I don't agree with that for criminal offenses. They should get the maximum.
What about non-criminal offenses? Are you implying the law should not apply equally because they are cops?
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007, are you familiar with the "Cannibal Cop" story?
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How so? What about Internal Affairs?
What about non-criminal offenses? Are you implying the law should not apply equally because they are cops?
Internal Affairs deals with policy violations, not criminal violations. Criminal violations are investigated by our Special Investigations Unit. There can be concurrent investigations depending on the situation. Not sure what you mean by non criminal offenses.
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Internal Affairs deals with policy violations, not criminal violations. Criminal violations are investigated by our Special Investigations Unit. There can be concurrent investigations depending on the situation. Not sure what you mean by non criminal offenses.
You said you've seen some cops who got off easy because they were cops. If there were legit concerns that there was bias and they were treated favorably, why not report these concerns to IA or the SIU? The law should apply equally to all, not have privileged classes with authority, immunity and favorable treatment.
For the offenses, I should've phrased it differently, thought you were referring to felonies but not misdemeanors.
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BTW, as I'm sure you guys know, we're talking about battles of inappropriate behavior and how to avoid escalating those battles. So when you focus on the behavior of some random citizen (who could be dumb, or have otherwise-harmless behavior problems, or perhaps he/she suffers from mental illness), instead of the cop: you ought to know better than that.
Do yourself a favor, and realize how backwards your take is.
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You said you've seen some cops who got off easy because they were cops. If there were legit concerns that there was bias and they were treated favorably, why not report these concerns to IA or the SIU? The law should apply equally to all, not have privileged classes with authority, immunity and favorable treatment.
For the offenses, I should've phrased it differently, thought you were referring to felonies but not misdemeanors.
The cops I see get off light in my opinion, are usually news articles so there is really nothing to report and generally happen in other jurisdictions. I don't have any personal knowledge of an incident where I felt a cop got off lightly and I withheld information if that's what you mean. As far as the law and policy, unless there is good reason for deviating from them then cops shouldn't. If they do then they need to be held accountable.
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007, are you familiar with the "Cannibal Cop" story?
somewhat
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Yes. The reason it might be called dumb and the reason it might be said to defy common sense, is because it is expected that the typical cop can't control his emotions and is incapable of resisting his own inappropriate behavior - which is sure to exceed raising a finger back.
(and once again, to show how extreme the degree: WHO would you sooner get away with flipping off?)
Meaning that these things are the exact opposite of what they need to be. Isn't that the truth?
It's my opinion that the typical cop can and does control his emotions. You may be able to get away with it 99 out of 100 times. but it may be that 100th time. I would love to be able to say every cop you push buttons on will respond professionally but that would be about as stupid as flipping off a cop
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It's my opinion that the typical cop can and does control his emotions. You may be able to get away with it 99 out of 100 times. but it may be that 100th time. I would love to be able to say every cop you push buttons on will respond professionally but that would be about as stupid as flipping off a cop
I'm sure you don't really mean anything like this.
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I'm sure you don't really mean anything like this.
Point being, not every cop is going to arrest you for doing it. Again, maybe it's just a local phenomena here. We have walking beat which works the down town bar district. People push buttons all night long and the cops ignore it. But there obviously are some cops who will believe it's abnormal for a person to do so and initiate an inquiry where it could go bad for the person. Why even do it?
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Point being, not every cop is going to arrest you for doing it. Again, maybe it's just a local phenomena here. We have walking beat which works the down town bar district. People push buttons all night long and the cops ignore it. But there obviously are some cops who will believe it's abnormal for a person to do so and initiate an inquiry where it could go bad for the person. Why even do it?
Shouldn't that question be directed at the cop, though?
In fact, isn't asking that question of a citizen nearly meaningless compared to asking it of the cop?
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It's my opinion that the typical cop can and does control his emotions. You may be able to get away with it 99 out of 100 times. but it may be that 100th time. I would love to be able to say every cop you push buttons on will respond professionally but that would be about as stupid as flipping off a cop
Plus cops are human. Yes they need to control themselves more so than civilians because they have the power to use weapons and deprive people of their liberty, but at the end of the day they are just people. If you go around unnecessarily antagonizing people, don't be surprised if one of them reacts.
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Plus cops are human. Yes they need to control themselves more so than civilians because they have the power to use weapons and deprive people of their liberty, but at the end of the day they are just people. If you go around unnecessarily antagonizing people, don't be surprised if one of them reacts.
and if he reacts with violence, he deserves prison. just like if we react with violence to a random person on the street that flips us the bird.
no excuses for wearing a badge.
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and if he reacts with violence, he deserves prison. just like if we react with violence to a random person on the street that flips us the bird.
no excuses for wearing a badge.
I don't think anyone is disputing that a cop who loses control after being antagonized needs to be punished. But that doesn't mean people should go around like idiots.
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I don't think anyone is disputing that a cop who loses control after being antagonized needs to be punished. But that doesn't mean people should go around like idiots.
this is america, where it is 100% legal to be a completely rude, mean, cruel idiot. We can be total dicks, like what we want, hate on what we want, and it's cool. This is what makes it's acceptable to speak out against the obamas and clintons of the world. This is what makes it legal to protest a certain house of worship going up ten feet from world trade center.
I like a country where idiots can flip off cops - and don't forget, we live in a world where the police can run their tags and bust them for tickets, for any legal offenses. Cops can work WITHIN the law. Or, pro-police groups can yell louder and make a youtube channel where they put little penises all over pics of the people throwing the bird at the cop. Again, legal.
as long as we live in a place where i can say tom brady sucks, where you can hate on obama, where idiots can flip cops the bird, we are in a great country.
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this is america, where it is 100% legal to be a completely rude, mean, cruel idiot. We can be total dicks, like what we want, hate on what we want, and it's cool. This is what makes it's acceptable to speak out against the obamas and clintons of the world. This is what makes it legal to protest a certain house of worship going up ten feet from world trade center.
I like a country where idiots can flip off cops - and don't forget, we live in a world where the police can run their tags and bust them for tickets, for any legal offenses. Cops can work WITHIN the law. Or, pro-police groups can yell louder and make a youtube channel where they put little penises all over pics of the people throwing the bird at the cop. Again, legal.
as long as we live in a place where i can say tom brady sucks, where you can hate on obama, where idiots can flip cops the bird, we are in a great country.
You like arguing with yourself? Nobody said it should be illegal.
This is about can versus should.
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My experience suggests that it is not a good idea to flip off anyone while your behind the wheel. - Never flipped a cop off, but I have given the bird to other drivers who make stupid moves. This is not a good idea either. Onetime, I gave a stranger the finger for cutting me off on the freeway in San Francisco. The fucker followed me for miles. My whole family was in the car. This experience made me think twice before giving someone the fuck you finger in the future.
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My experience suggests that it is not a good idea to flip off anyone while your behind the wheel. - Never flipped a cop off, but I have given the bird to other drivers who make stupid moves. This is not a good idea either. Onetime, I gave a stranger the finger for cutting me off on the freeway in San Francisco. The fucker followed me for miles. My whole family was in the car. This experience made me think twice before giving someone the fuck you finger in the future.
Thank you. You never know who is on the receiving end, what their mental state might be, whether they are packing, etc.
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A big middle finger fuck you for all in this thread, lol!!!
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I don't think anyone would deny that the cops practically invite so-inclined people to act this way.
Just going from the vids I've been seeing, they seem to be wanting to taunt the cops with knowledge about the court decisions. I agree it should be legal, but in a sense it inhibits reform as well. Intentional taunting doesn't help get change enacted and leads to people sympathizing with cops.
I think Primemuscle and Beach are way off though. Nobody should ever have to be in fear of reprisal - from a cop nonetheless - for exercising free speech.
Guess nobody should criticize radical Islam as well. Never know what one of those psychos will do. ::)
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First Amendment protects profanity against police
The Washington Supreme Court ruled on Thursday that a citizen has the First Amendment right to call police abusive names and yell profanity while they’re investigating a crime.
http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2015/jun/25/first-amendment-protects-profanity-against-police/
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First Amendment protects profanity against police
The Washington Supreme Court ruled on Thursday that a citizen has the First Amendment right to call police abusive names and yell profanity while they’re investigating a crime.
http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2015/jun/25/first-amendment-protects-profanity-against-police/
Strong repost my man.
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First Amendment protects profanity against police
The Washington Supreme Court ruled on Thursday that a citizen has the First Amendment right to call police abusive names and yell profanity while they’re investigating a crime.
http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2015/jun/25/first-amendment-protects-profanity-against-police/
Would be even cooler if they ruled that the officers could respond in kind..
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Would be even cooler if they ruled that the officers could respond in kind..
Cops are allowed to mock citizens, and they do. They're allowed to pick and choose who they help, who gets a pass, who goes to prison. The line between "just get your ass home" and "10 to 15 years in prison" can be something as simple as the cop having to take a shit.
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Cops are allowed to mock citizens, and they do. They're allowed to pick and choose who they help, who gets a pass, who goes to prison. The line between "just get your ass home" and "10 to 15 years in prison" can be something as simple as the cop having to take a shit.
Nah dude...you never see cops yelling and cussing at people, lol. That never happens! ::)
Blind devotion to the Blue Wall gives Skip strong comic relief!
haha
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Would be even cooler if they ruled that the officers could respond in kind..
If you're in uniform, then you can't respond in kind. You're an instrument of the State.
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If you're in uniform, then you can't respond in kind. You're an instrument of the State.
Damnit
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Damnit
Cue the movie cliche:
Take the badge off and set it on a table.
"See this wise guy? No badge."
Then throw your gun behind you.
"No gun."
Continue confidently but calmy advancing
"Just you and me, mano a mano"
Or, you know... just do this: