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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: BayGBM on September 18, 2009, 06:08:06 PM
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Aiman Faour's life off and on stage ;D
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the horror, the horror........
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it would have been less gay if they had simply made-out with each other
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the horror, the horror........
Another bubble burst . . . at least we know he is fun at parties! :D
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what was that trash...looked like a Falcon apartment lol
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the horror, the horror........
Epic Apocolypse now quotation...
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what a bunch of idots
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Look at this way... with him posing on stage, you can see what you are getting before you sign up for a schmoe session. :D
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what a bunch of idots
crackhead wrestling
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If the IFBB can't get bodybuilding into the Olympics, maybe they can get schmoe-wrestling or schmoe-squatting recognized as Olympic sports so that IFBB pro bodybuilders have a chance at earning Olympic medals. :P
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If the IFBB can't get bodybuilding into the Olympics, maybe they can get schmoe-wrestling or schmoe-squatting recognized as Olympic sports so that IFBB pro bodybuilders have a chance at earning Olympic medals. :P
what is schmoe squatting?
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crackhead wrestling
or methhead lovin
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He used to be lot smaller, leaner, and dryer!
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what the hell? is this real? this is the most fucked up shit i've ever seen. gay men can't possibly enjoy that
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what the hell? is this real? this is the most fucked up shit i've ever seen. gay men can't possibly enjoy that
Is it really any more weird than being in the audience at a BB show? Most people would see this as the same audience. ::)
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For the record, that's not me! ;D
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what a bunch of idots
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For the record, that's not me! ;D
That bloke takes schmoe-dom to a whole new level.
:P :P :P
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that what like Tre's Co. does but for gay schmoes
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Aiman Faour's life off and on stage ;D
Some "sport", and some "athletes". ::) Can 't believe some here actually defend this fucking twisted circus.....
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is Aimen an IFBB pro?
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Is it really any more weird than being in the audience at a BB show? Most people would see this as the same audience. ::)
Thank you. It's funny how these guys will say this is gay, but that isn't. I.E., those schmoing videos are gay, but watching your favorite musclemen, oiled up, and flexing to music for your enjoyment ( :-\) is not.
I said before, I'll say it again, a bbing pageant is no different than a Chippendale-like strip show. Only difference is, the striper are smart enough to ALWAYS get paid. :-X
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That's fuckin' Stupid!! Talk about selling your ASS!! :( :(
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this is sooo going up onto my facebook
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this is sooo going up onto my facebook
:P
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Some "sport", and some "athletes". ::) Can 't believe some here actually defend this fucking twisted circus.....
What do you mean? It's only gay if you want it to be gay, right? ???
;D
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Thank you. It's funny how these guys will say this is gay, but that isn't. I.E., those schmoing videos are gay, but watching your favorite musclemen, oiled up, and flexing to music for your enjoyment ( :-\) is not.
I said before, I'll say it again, a bbing pageant is no different than a Chippendale-like strip show. Only difference is, the striper are smart enough to ALWAYS get paid. :-X
I have to disagree with you on this buddy. I enjoy the sport of bodybuilding and have for most of my life. It's all about individuals striving to achieve a goal, (set standard) even though the judging criteria seems to be ever changing but basically trying to achieve the best muscular conditioning, symmetry, mass, etc. Attempting to achieve the ultimate physique. Competing against others to determine who has put it all together the best on that day. I'm not even a competitive bodybuilder but I understand what it takes to create physiques like those we see in the pages magazines and on stage. For me, it has nothing to do with admiring the individuals sexually/ being a schmoe. I guess that's the difference between a true lover of the game and someone who's in it for other motives. Just my opinion.
Pat
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Some "sport", and some "athletes". ::) Can 't believe some here actually defend this fucking twisted circus.....
lol. i need a patricia fix n a drink after watching that s##t. bbing will NEVER go legit.
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Aiman Faour's life off and on stage ;D
LMAO
Honestly, are there really people on this world who would pay for that?? :-X ;D
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Awesome acting skills...
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=164480.0;attach=189767;image)
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LMAO
Honestly, are there really people on this world who would pay for that?? :-X ;D
You think paying for that is strange but paying to be in this audience is not strange? Seriously, how many of the guys in this audience do you think want get closer to or grope the muscles they are watching from the audience? Have you seen what happens at a BB show when the competitor walks down into the audience and starts flexing? The audience goes crazy! What do you think would happen of Branch walked over to one of these guys, flexed his bicep or quadricep and said "feel this!"
a) "Um, no thanks... that would be too gay (especially in front of all these people). I'm no homo; I'm want to look but not touch."
b) "Wow! That feels really hard! Awesome dude!"
c) "Wow! That feels really hard! (can I see you after the contest)."
My guess is one third would say "b" and two thirds would say "c". No one would say "a".
;D
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BayGBM --There is a difference between shmoes like yourself and normal bodybuilding fans. Shomes take pictures to jerk off to later on and normal bodybuilding fans take pictures because it aspires the to train harder, because they may want to look like that one day, gives them memory of the show.
One of my good friends is no not into bodybuilding and never saw bodybuilding contest. I took him to continental show in st.Charles, IL. He is the one who took the picture of branch warren. He did not take it for sexual reasons, he took it just to show it off to his friends and girlfriend (IFBB Pro is a huge shock value to regular people).
The only thing i hate about bodybuilding contests is when some bodybuilders start to pose like they are strippers (king kamali is one of them). That becomes extremely embarrassing to watch.
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BayGBM --There is a difference between shmoes like yourself and normal bodybuilding fans. Shomes take pictures to jerk off to later on and normal bodybuilding fans take pictures because it aspires the to train harder, because they may want to look like that one day, gives them memory of the show.
that doesnt make them less creepier.
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BayGBM --There is a difference between shmoes like yourself and normal bodybuilding fans. Shomes take pictures to jerk off to later on and normal bodybuilding fans take pictures because it aspires the to train harder, because they may want to look like that one day, gives them memory of the show.
One of my good friends is no not into bodybuilding and never saw bodybuilding contest. I took him to continental show in st.Charles, IL. He is the one who took the picture of branch warren. He did not take it for sexual reasons, he took it just to show it off to his friends and girlfriend (IFBB Pro is a huge shock value to regular people).
The only thing i hate about bodybuilding contests is when some bodybuilders start to pose like they are strippers (king kamali is one of them). That becomes extremely embarrassing to watch.
I can’t speak for any other gay guy, but when I go to BB show I am not in a sexual frame of mind. Nor am I interested in pix I can “jerk off to later.” If I want muscle sex I’m perfectly comfortable going out and getting the real thing so I don’t need to settle for the titillation of a BB show. Similarly, if I wanted to do so, I could go out and get all the muscle porn I wanted within a mile of where I live. Not many mainstream BB fans would feel comfortable doing that.
I have said it before and I’ll say it again: these contests and magazine spreads are for “straight” and bi-curious guys who want to satisfy an impulse that they do not really want to face or give voice to. If you want to get in shape--great!--but you are not going to do it by attending bodybuilding shows or snapping photos of Branch in a thong.
When so many of your bodybuilding heroes work as strippers, muscle escorts, wrestle escorts, pose for muscle gallery, offer private posing sessions, etc. that should make you rethink what is really going on in this sport from which you draw so much inspiration.
Developing a nice body as a by-product of real sports activity (run, jump, lift, swim, etc) is admirable. Developing a nice body simply so that other men will look at you is gay. ::)
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Developing a nice body as a by-product of real sports activity (run, jump, lift, swim, etc) is admirable. Developing a nice body simply so that other men will look at you is gay. ::)
what if you are a ex athlete who further looks to develop his body to attract more women but ends up attracting more men instead- gay or not?
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what if you are a ex athlete who further looks to develop his body to attract more women but ends up attracting more men instead- gay or not?
If you are an ex athlete, presumably you are already in above average shape; women are happy with that. Now, go improve your mind and make some money. THAT will attract more women.
Making your muscles bigger and bigger is something you do to get attention from men—not women.
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So this is the kind of stuff that Chic did at the Mirage? Very weird...
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So this is the kind of stuff that Chic did at the Mirage? Very weird...
No. He has been involved in bodybuilding for years and has never seen or heard of any of this gay stuff. 8)
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No. He has been involved in bodybuilding for years and has never seen or heard of any of this gay stuff. 8)
Are you saying that Chic is either a lying twit or is polly anna?
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I hate this thread.
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I hate this thread.
x2
Disgraceful
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You think paying for that is strange but paying to be in this audience is not strange? Seriously, how many of the guys in this audience do you think want get closer to or grope the muscles they are watching from the audience? Have you seen what happens at a BB show when the competitor walks down into the audience and starts flexing? The audience goes crazy! What do you think would happen of Branch walked over to one of these guys, flexed his bicep or quadricep and said "feel this!"
a) "Um, no thanks... that would be too gay (especially in front of all these people). I'm no homo; I'm want to look but not touch."
b) "Wow! That feels really hard! Awesome dude!"
c) "Wow! That feels really hard! (can I see you after the contest)."
My guess is one third would say "b" and two thirds would say "c". No one would say "a".
;D
Typical moronic post from the one and only. I have never wanted to feel up another dude whether he's jacked or not and I'm sure most of the guys here are the same way. Going by your logic, people who take their kids and family to the zoo to look at the animals and maybe pet them are all into bestiality - the father, mother, the kids, the nanny and everyone else.
Are you telling me that a 100% gay guy (who wouldn't sleep with a woman under any circumstance) is secretly yearning for women simply because he's interested in fashion and watches female models strutting designer garments in the catwalk?
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Typical moronic post from the one and only. I have never wanted to feel up another dude whether he's jacked or not and I'm sure most of the guys here are the same way. Going by your logic, people who take their kids and family to the zoo to look at the animals and maybe pet them are all into bestiality - the father, mother, the kids, the nanny and everyone else.
Are you telling me that a 100% gay guy (who wouldn't sleep with a woman under any circumstance) is secretly yearning for women simply because he's interested in fashion and watches female models strutting designer garments in the catwalk?
Clearly Ambidextrous it seems ;)
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the vast majority of gay guys have never paid for sex, nor have ever been paid for sex. Most gay guys would see these schmoe sessions as just a little weird. However there are many kinds of fetishes in the world, and obviously there is enough of a demand to make it worthwhile for a few bodybuilders to meet the need.
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the vast majority of gay guys have never paid for sex, nor have ever been paid for sex. Most gay guys would see these schmoe sessions as just a little weird. However there are many kinds of fetishes in the world, and obviously there is enough of a demand to make it worthwhile for a few bodybuilders to meet the need.
"a few". . .lmao...you know better
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Are you saying that Chic is either a lying twit or is polly anna?
I pick lying twit ;D
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=71966.0;attach=79773;image)
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Some "sport", and some "athletes". ::) Can 't believe some here actually defend this fucking twisted circus.....
Bodybuilding isn't a sport and bodybuilders aren't athletes.
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"a few". . .lmao...you know better
how many pro and top level amateur bodybuilders are there in the world? a few hundred? how many of them ever participate in g4p? and then how often? some may do it once a month or even less. a few may do it many times a week.
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I hate this thread.
Then you are in the wrong sport... because this stuff is all over bodybuilding and it has been for decades. :D
And remember, this is just the stuff on video. Most of what goes on is never recorded or posted on the internet.
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Then you are in the wrong sport... because this stuff is all over bodybuilding and it has been for decades. :D
And remember, this is just the stuff on video. Most of what goes on is never recorded or posted on the internet.
i just dont understand. are these guys paying cash for this s##t?
i need another drink and a patricia fix.
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(http://www.oow.com.br/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/2009/03/1travesti-patricia-araujo-posa-nua-para-revista-masculina.jpg)
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i just dont understand. are these guys paying cash for this s##t?
i need another drink and a patricia fix.
(http://www.recipetips.com/images/recipe/beverages/screwdriver.jpg)
(http://www.oow.com.br/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/2009/03/1travesti-patricia-araujo-posa-nua-para-revista-masculina.jpg)
No, I think they get paid, they're "actors" lol. But the question is are guys paying cash for videos like that?
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i just dont understand. are these guys paying cash for this s##t?
The real question is why are your bodybuilding heroes doing this stuff? Isn't it the least bit unsettling to know that the guy you are admiring on stage and snapping photos of is leaving the stage to go make videos like the ones above, private pose for schmoes, or perhaps do something even more explicit? :-X
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No, I think they get paid, they're "actors" lol. But the question is are guys paying cash for videos like that?
he said schmoes pay money for this stuff. i'm saying this is going on outside of video coverage...right? so some guy pays hundreds of dollars to a bber for this?
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The real question is why are your bodybuilding heroes doing this stuff? Isn't it the least bit unsettling to know that the guy you are admiring on stage and snapping photos of is leaving the stage to go make videos like the ones above, private pose for schmoes, or perhaps do something even more explicit? :-X
Who cares what they do to earn money when they aren't onstage? No one looks up to them as role models for life or anything.
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(http://www.oow.com.br/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/2009/03/1travesti-patricia-araujo-posa-nua-para-revista-masculina.jpg)
The longer I look at this "guy" the gayer I feel.
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The longer I look at this "guy" the gayer I feel.
LOl Then I better not share vids/info on some other, even more well known, competitors. :-X
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why is there an American flag on the wall in his videos?
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what if you are a ex athlete who further looks to develop his body to attract more women but ends up attracting more men instead- gay or not?
So this is the kind of stuff that Chic did at the Mirage?
No, I think they get paid, they're "actors" lol. But the question is are guys paying cash for videos like that?
he said schmoes pay money for this stuff. i'm saying this is going on outside of video coverage...right? so some guy pays hundreds of dollars to a bber for this?
Who cares what they do to earn money when they aren't onstage?
why is there an American flag on the wall in his videos?
So many questions... so few answers... :-\
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why is there an American flag on the wall in his videos?
maybe he took a page out of Chic's book and was pretending he was Captain America for his "fans"?
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You know its funny...I used to see Aiman Faour all the time in Gold's Venice. He actully has a beautiful wife that I believe is from England. In the brief conversations I had with her, she struck me as articulate, and educated, which makes it even more bizzare why she is with a 5th tier bodybuilder in Aiman.
Aiman always seemed like a nice guy, but sadly has a piss poor physique that shouldnt be within 50 feet of an IFBB stage. He also used the most laughable form I think I have ever witnessed, (from a pro anyway), which is really saying something.
M!
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You know its funny...I used to see Aiman Faour all the time in Gold's Venice. He actully has a beautiful wife that I believe is from England. In the brief conversations I had with her, she struck me as articulate, and educated, which makes it even more bizzare why she is with a 5th tier bodybuilder in Aiman.
Aiman always seemed like a nice guy, but sadly has a piss poor physique that should be within 50 feet of an IFBB stage. He also used the most laughable form I think I have ever witnessed, (from a pro anyway), which is really saying something.
M!
Has she seen his schome videos? ???
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Has she seen his schome videos? ???
Lol...good question. I would think that she would know about that sort of thing. After all...how could you really hide it?
Its funny I onced asked a GF of mine a hypothetical question. (Dont misconstrue what I am saying here, becuase I would never be in demand for this sort of thing...lol). I asked her if I was a top teir bodybuilder, and I wanted to make extra $$ schmoeing myself out, how would she feel about it? She thought about it for a second, and asked me, "Will you still come home afterwards and fuck me?" I replied, "Sure!" ....She then said she didnt give a shit and would be all for it. ...lol...
Perhaps they have a similer understanding... ;D
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Lol...good question. I would think that she would know about that sort of thing. After all...how could you really hide it?
Its funny I onced asked a GF of mine a hypothetical question. (Dont misconstrue what I am saying here, becuase I would never be in demand for this sort of thing...lol). I asked her if I was a top teir bodybuilder, and I wanted to make extra $$ schmoeing myself out, how would she feel about it? She thought about it for a second, and asked me, "Will you still come home afterwards and fuck me?" I replied, "Sure!" ....She then said she didnt give a shit and would be all for it. ...lol...
Perhaps they have a similer understanding... ;D
I'll buy that. Anyone woman with a brain (though I understand that many do not have one) should be clued into what happens in the world of bodybuilding. Still, one should never underestimate people's naiveté. Quite a few guys here have admitted they had no clue about what happened off stage until they came to getbig.
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I'll buy that. Anyone woman with a brain (and I understand that many do not have one) should be clued into what happens in the world of bodybuilding. Still, one should never underestimate people's naiveté. Quite a few guys here have admitted they had no clue about what happened off stage until they came to getbig.
Well Chris Duffy's ex girl used to help him book "sessions." Rusty Jeffers wife has also had a big hand in managing his business. I doubt the women are as naive as we might think. You cant really live with someone day in and day out who's only way of making $$ is with his body without being privy to some of the things that go on in this industry.
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Are you saying that Chic is either a lying twit or is polly anna?
I choose "C": All of the above.
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I choose "C": All of the above.
Sorry Bay...I've never been a part of any of your "galleries", etc
Whats more frightening to me, is the amount of closet- boys on this site that want it to be true so bad, that they're willing to make up stories.
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Bob, seriously did u see a lot of gay stuff when u were competing? ???
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Some "sport", and some "athletes". ::) Can 't believe some here actually defend this fucking twisted circus.....
LMFAO!!!
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Bob, seriously did u see a lot of gay stuff when u were competing? ???
I didnt see any..when you're not involved in that sort of thing, you dont travel in those circles...and the gay guys figure out pretty quick who's into that and who isnt, and dont bother you...
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Aiman Faour's life off and on stage ;D
who is this guy? is he even a pro
if not, who cares what he does offstage
at least he isn't torturing dogs for money
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That's fuckin' Stupid!! Talk about selling your ASS!! :( :(
LOL and to think I thought that extreme drug /steroid use was the big "PR" problem with pro BB.
I am serious , seeing this kind of crap, makes me laugh and then feel sad about the pathetic behind the scenes life of some pros (male/female).
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BayGBM --There is a difference between shmoes like yourself and normal bodybuilding fans. Shomes take pictures to jerk off to later on and normal bodybuilding fans take pictures because it aspires the to train harder, because they may want to look like that one day, gives them memory of the show.
One of my good friends is no not into bodybuilding and never saw bodybuilding contest. I took him to continental show in st.Charles, IL. He is the one who took the picture of branch warren. He did not take it for sexual reasons, he took it just to show it off to his friends and girlfriend (IFBB Pro is a huge shock value to regular people).
The only thing i hate about bodybuilding contests is when some bodybuilders start to pose like they are strippers (king kamali is one of them). That becomes extremely embarrassing to watch.
I agree, but Bay is pointing out the reality of what some lower , lesser known pros do for $$.
If I ever see Ronnie, Dexter or Jay in a video like that, drop a 45 lb plate on my head , please :'(
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No. He has been involved in bodybuilding for years and has never seen or heard of any of this gay stuff. 8)
If you're going to quote me...get it right.
I've never said I've never "heard" of any of it...I certainly have. What I said, was that I've never been a PART of any of it. Your other assessments are laughable at best....Unless some of theses schmo's "hero's" are unknown, unranked, or amateur BBers...I believe your a little off base. If you claim so many of the "top pro's" are into this shit...name them
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The IFBB's new slogan should be:
"Schmoe Wrestling: It's Only Gay if You Want it to Be"
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If you're going to quote me...get it right.
I've never said I've never "heard" of any of it...I certainly have. What I said, was that I've never been a PART of any of it. Your other assessments are laughable at best....Unless some of theses schmo's "hero's" are unknown, unranked, or amateur BBers...I believe your a little off base. If you claim so many of the "top pro's" are into this shit...name them
bay doesn't name names, but he'll tell you "if you could only see my private messages" ::)
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who is this guy? is he even a pro
if not, who cares what he does offstage
at least he isn't torturing dogs for money
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His website says he is an IFBB Pro. He won the Middle-East-Championship in 2005.
http://aimanfaour.com/index_e.htm
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His website says he is an IFBB Pro.
http://aimanfaour.com/index_e.htm
He is...whats your point?
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He is...whats your point?
Its only ghey if you think it is.
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Its only ghey if you think it is.
You realize that thats a made up quote from the idiots here, right?
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You realize that thats a made up quote from the idiots here, right?
:-X
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Chick knowing how the industry is would u want your child to follow in your footsteps?
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Chick knowing how the industry is would u want your child to follow in your footsteps?
???
How "is" the industry?
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All the gay for pay and creepy people wanting to oil u up ;D
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If you're going to quote me...get it right.
I've never said I've never "heard" of any of it...I certainly have. What I said, was that I've never been a PART of any of it. Your other assessments are laughable at best....Unless some of theses schmo's "hero's" are unknown, unranked, or amateur BBers...I believe your a little off base. If you claim so many of the "top pro's" are into this shit...name them
Bob Chick,
Obviously anyone who knows you, realizes you have NEVER been directly involved in any of this shmoe crap.
I would be shocked to think pros like Jay, Dexter or Ronnie were as well.
But seriously, you Bob are the athletes rep and this kind of schmoe play for pay web site deal is trainwreck for the image of pro BB. We all know at least one top guy who will be at the Olympia, who did more than his share of "play for pay" crap. I am not going to name him , because I respect him as a a BB and most will know who I refer to anyway.
This kind of pro BB behavior is by far the worst thing for pro BB.
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How "is" the industry?
You keep deleting Debussey's posts despite them not breaking any rules.
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Bob Chick,
Obviously anyone who knows you, realizes you have NEVER been directly involved in any of this shmoe crap.
I would be shocked to think pros like Jay, Dexter or Ronnie were as well.
But seriously, you Bob are the athletes rep and this kind of schmoe play for pay web site deal is trainwreck for the image of pro BB. We all know at least one top guy who will be at the Olympia, who did more than his share of "play for pay" crap. I am not going to name him , because I respect him as a a BB and most will know who I refer to anyway.
This kind of pro BB behavior is by far the worst thing for pro BB.
Agreed Howie, but it's tough to regulate such things when the "players" arent directly paid from the "team"....none of the top guys have been involved in such things...Kai, who you are referring to, being the obvious exception...it's tough enough for other sports to keep everyone from getting into shit, like the NFL, NBA, MLB...and these guys are making MILLIONS.
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You keep deleting Debussey's posts despite them not breaking any rules.
Sorry bro, they break the rule of being too retarded and not lending anything to the subject...
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Sorry bro, they break the rule of being too retarded and not lending anything to the subject...
You are still going far beyond your "mod-rights", but mostly you're a chicken. ;D
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Are pro bodybuilders eager for the next generation of muscle building drugs to be found or developed, to take their bodies to the the next level?
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His website says he is an IFBB Pro.
too bad there isn't a place on the internet where you can see that he's been in 14 pro IFBB shows (http://musclememory.com/show.php?a=Faour,+Aiman)
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The only thing i hate about bodybuilding contests is when some bodybuilders start to pose like they are strippers. That becomes extremely embarrassing to watch.
especially the teen and pre teen fitness girls, with their parents right there watching approvingly.
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Bob Chick,
Obviously anyone who knows you, realizes you have NEVER been directly involved in any of this shmoe crap.
I would be shocked to think pros like Jay, Dexter or Ronnie were as well.
But seriously, you Bob are the athletes rep and this kind of schmoe play for pay web site deal is trainwreck for the image of pro BB. We all know at least one top guy who will be at the Olympia, who did more than his share of "play for pay" crap. I am not going to name him , because I respect him as a a BB and most will know who I refer to anyway.
This kind of pro BB behavior is by far the worst thing for pro BB.
should Kai's past indiscretions affect wether he wins the Olympia even if his physique is the best onstage?
as you say, his "behavior is by far the worst thing for pro BB" - surely not the kind of man you want representing the sport you love . . .
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even with his shirt on you have to see to believe how much his gut sticks out, yuck
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should Kai's past indiscretions affect wether he wins the Olympia even if his physique is the best onstage?
as you say, his "behavior is by far the worst thing for pro BB" - surely not the kind of man you want representing the sport you love . . .
The past is the past, instead of focusing on what HAS done, perhaps everyone should be paying more attention to what he's doing NOW, and how he's turned his life around. He didnt exactly have the greatest upbringing...
Should athletes behaviour be considered? Well, if that was the case, they wouldnt have enough players to field 2 teams in the NFL...when you start to try enforce morality (or peoples interpretation/ opinion of just what that is), you open up a big Pandora's Box subject to civil rights, etc
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All the gay for pay and creepy people wanting to oil u up ;D
Thats only Bay , dont sweat it :D
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The past is the past, instead of focusing on what HAS done, perhaps everyone should be paying more attention to what he's doing NOW, and how he's turned his life around. He didnt exactly have the greatest upbringing...
Should athletes behaviour be considered? Well, if that was the case, they wouldnt have enough players to field 2 teams in the NFL...when you start to try enforce morality (or peoples interpretation/ opinion of just what that is), you open up a big Pandora's Box subject to civil rights, etc
All due respect Bob, I'm not an attorney, but I seriously doubt anyone's civil rights would be violated. All mainstream sports (NFL, NBA, MLB etc) includes a standard morals clause in there standard contracts, if someone gets out of line and the leagues and/or team finds them at fault they are either fined, suspended or both. These's teams or leagues do not want players that will not uphold the league or team standards. It's not a matter of law it's a matter of principals.
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All due respect Bob, I'm not an attorney, but I seriously doubt anyone's civil rights would be violated. All mainstream sports (NFL, NBA, MLB etc) includes a standard morals clause in there standard contracts, if someone gets out of line and the leagues and/or team finds them at fault they are either fined, suspended or both. These's teams or leagues do not want players that will not uphold the league or team standards. It's not a matter of law it's a matter of principals.
And as I stated earlier, the difference between the two, is that under the NFL, you're paid by them...thus making you an employee.
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The past is the past, instead of focusing on what HAS done, perhaps everyone should be paying more attention to what he's doing NOW, and how he's turned his life around. He didnt exactly have the greatest upbringing...
that's complete B.S., excusing it because he had a rough childhood.
He's 35. He done j/o porn and stripped at gay bars in the last 5 years, had ads in the back of the NYC gay bar rags 10 years ago. But that's in the past, and we should only judge his character on what he's doing now.
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that's complete B.S., excusing it because he had a rough childhood.
He's 35. He done j/o porn and stripped at gay bars in the last 5 years, had ads in the back of the NYC gay bar rags 10 years ago. But that's in the past, and we should only judge his character on what he's doing now.
actually, i was gonna comment on Chick's "bad upbringing" argument as well
i know ALOT of people (myself included) who are in that element who have had pretty good upbringings.
Bottom line, we all have bills to pay and some of us make the conscious decision to do it the "easy way"
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And as I stated earlier, the difference between the two, is that under the NFL, you're paid by them...thus making you an employee.
More epic flip-floping from Chick. I like how using this argument is fine when it suits you, but when 240, and others calling bullshit on the IFBB for its unethical treatment of pros that competed in the P.D.I., (using a similar argument that you just used here), you, bitched moaned, and justified the IFBB's actions.
Cant have it both ways Chick...either pro's are free to do what they want, and compete where they choose without penalty, (because there is no guarantee of making any $$ as an IFBB pro), or they are locked into the agreement of the IFBB's "code of ethics," and the IFBB should be expected to enforce this code.
If that were actually happening then several IFBB male pros, and just about every pro female would be in trouble.
Monster hypocrisy that you continue to rationalize and justify. ::)
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my only concern is placings based on anything other than the physique
Howard sounded like an activist judge in his post
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Chick, the PGA has a similar morals clause. If the IFBB wanted to enforce such a clause, they could.
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whoremonger
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whoremonger
Mars...you Avatar is mighty...keep up the good work.
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More epic flip-floping from Chick. I like how using this argument is fine when it suits you, but when 240, and others calling bullshit on the IFBB for its unethical treatment of pros that competed in the P.D.I., (using a similar argument that you just used here), you, bitched moaned, and justified the IFBB's actions.
Cant have it both ways Chick...either pro's are free to do what they want, and compete where they choose without penalty, (because there is no guarantee of making any $$ as an IFBB pro), or they are locked into the agreement of the IFBB's "code of ethics," and the IFBB should be expected to enforce this code.
If that were actually happening then several IFBB male pros, and just about every pro female would be in trouble.
Monster hypocrisy that you continue to rationalize and justify. ::)
The pro's that chose to compete in the PDI, were in direct violation of the RULE that states that you cannot compete in any rival federation..
The CODE is what contains such things as which would be considered morality issues, etc...and are subject to interpretation as they are a a GUIDE, and not enforced as strictly as the RULES.
Learn the difference, it may help you in the future to decipher something which really isnt that difficult to understand.
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The pro's that chose to compete in the PDI, were in direct violation of the RULE that states that you cannot compete in any rival federation..
The CODE is what contains such things as which would be considered morality issues, etc...and are subject to interpretation as they are a a GUIDE, and not enforced as strictly as the RULES.
Learn the difference, it may help you in the future to decipher something which really isn't that difficult to understand.
Um...no. It says, (and If I have to dig this up and post it for you I will), in the opening paragraph of the Code of Conduct, that all professional IFBB athletes are expected to adhere to said code, not as a suggestion, but as an expectation.
See the problem here isn't that you have an actual disagreement or even a valid argument to stand on, so you make up excuses for what is obviously blatant hypocrisy on the IFBB's part. You could just say "The IFBB is wrong in this matter," or something similar, but I suppose that would take too much courage eh Chick?
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Chick is too insecure to admit when he is wrong or when he contradicts himself, he just back peddles or skirts the issue, whenever he is asked a question he cannot or does not want to answer he responds with a question usually calling the person asking gay, very mature for a middle aged man who is the rep for professional "athletes" ::)
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Chick is too insecure to admit when he is wrong or when he contradicts himself, he just back peddles or skirts the issue, whenever he is asked a question he cannot or does not want to answer he responds with a question usually calling the person asking gay, very mature for a middle aged man who is the rep for professional "athletes" ::)
In the 3+ years I have been on Getbig, I dont think I have once seen Chick conceed a point, or admit that he was wrong. I dont care WHO you are, no one is right all the time. Unless your Chick...he is the paragon of wisdom, truth, and sensibility. If only the rest of humanity could follow in his footsteps... ::)
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Wahahahahahha!
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In the 3+ years I have been on Getbig, I dont think I have once seen Chick conceed a point, or admit that he was wrong. I dont care WHO you are, no one is right all the time. Unless your Chick...he is the paragon of wisdom, truth, and sensibility. If only the rest of humanity could follow in his footsteps... ::)
Exactly, he will read our posts then respond by calling us gay,suggesting we dont have gf's,or that we post here 24/7 like he does, he is an immature and insecure middle aged man who spends his ample free time calling younger men gay on message board while habitually lying and back peddling or skirting issues ::)
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It's only gay if you want it to be right Chick? LMAO! Competitive bodybuilding is a joke.
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The past is the past, instead of focusing on what HAS done, perhaps everyone should be paying more attention to what he's doing NOW, and how he's turned his life around. He didnt exactly have the greatest upbringing...
Should athletes behaviour be considered? Well, if that was the case, they wouldnt have enough players to field 2 teams in the NFL...when you start to try enforce morality (or peoples interpretation/ opinion of just what that is), you open up a big Pandora's Box subject to civil rights, etc
this is why i've always respected you RMC. leadership. there are enough paranoid sexually insecure freaks on this site already.
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It's only gay if you want it to be right Chick? LMAO! Competitive bodybuilding is a joke.
If this sort of thing only happened once or twice we could ignore it as one or two guys being a flake but everyone here knows that this is par for the course in bodybuilding--and it has been for a long time! From musclegallery.com to “lifestyle vids” to wrestling vids, and private posing… there is a lot going on here that… how shall I put this… no mother would be proud of. :-[
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Agreed Howie, but it's tough to regulate such things when the "players" arent directly paid from the "team"....none of the top guys have been involved in such things...Kai, who you are referring to, being the obvious exception...it's tough enough for other sports to keep everyone from getting into shit, like the NFL, NBA, MLB...and these guys are making MILLIONS.
No argument about various assclowns in ever other pro sport. LOL, a new report sates that 78% of all ex NFL players end up broke or bankrupt within 2 yrs after their last season. :P
I have to give Kai credit and say I am NOT aware of any sex site crap for him since he started doing better over the last 2-3 yrs. I think we both agree, that if the contest is a well produced, quality event with lost of fan interest, it will be good for the sport. The main thing for me as a longtime fan is the quality of the guys on stage and overall production of the event.
Drug use, some obscure schmo site and other crap doesn't matter to me , so long as the event is "kick ass".
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my only concern is placings based on anything other than the physique
Howard sounded like an activist judge in his post
Considering I don't even know over 90% of the folks I judge , I don't have much of an agenda when I judge , other than picking the best phsyqiue on stage that day.
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should Kai's past indiscretions affect wether he wins the Olympia even if his physique is the best onstage?
as you say, his "behavior is by far the worst thing for pro BB" - surely not the kind of man you want representing the sport you love . . .
Kai is allowed to compete by the IFBB pro div and won the Arnold classic.His questionable conduct is in the past and if the IFBB lets him compete you then have to judge the man on what he looks like on the stage.
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thanks for clarifying
Kai has come a long way
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The pro's that chose to compete in the PDI, were in direct violation of the RULE that states that you cannot compete in any rival federation..
The CODE is what contains such things as which would be considered morality issues, etc...and are subject to interpretation as they are a a GUIDE, and not enforced as strictly as the RULES.
Learn the difference, it may help you in the future to decipher something which really isnt that difficult to understand.
Bob, you know I defned your rep and respect you as a BB and class act. BUt c'mon we both know the IFBB ignores lots of actual written rules and "official policy" on the books.
The rules on banned substances and "conduct code" is pretty much ignored, you know that.
Obviously, the PDI deal was a clear violation of IFBB rules. I agree with you on that pt, no question.
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Um...no. It says, (and If I have to dig this up and post it for you I will), in the opening paragraph of the Code of Conduct, that all professional IFBB athletes are expected to adhere to said code, not as a suggestion, but as an expectation.
See the problem here isn't that you have an actual disagreement or even a valid argument to stand on, so you make up excuses for what is obviously blatant hypocrisy on the IFBB's part. You could just say "The IFBB is wrong in this matter," or something similar, but I suppose that would take too much courage eh Chick?
Ill save you the time fool...
IFBB's Code of Ethics
Introduction:
The Code of Ethics exist as a set of beliefs that have been written to serve as guidelines for the way in which all Members, be they competitors, officials, administrators, or others, should strive to conduct themselves as Members of the IFBB family. National Federations and other Members join the IFBB of their own free will and, in so doing, agree to abide by the Constitution and Rules of which the Code of Ethics forms an integral part. Any National Federation or other Member who is found to have contravened the Code of Ethics may be subject to disciplinary or other measures.
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IFBB's Code of Ethics
Introduction:
The Code of Ethics exist as a set of beliefs that have been written to serve as guidelines for the way in which all Members, be they competitors, officials, administrators, or others, should strive to conduct themselves as Members of the IFBB family. National Federations and other Members join the IFBB of their own free will and, in so doing, agree to abide by the Constitution and Rules of which the Code of Ethics forms an integral part. Any National Federation or other Member who is found to have contravened the Code of Ethics may be subject to disciplinary or other measures.
why didn't you bold the part that reads . . . "agree to abide by the Constitution and Rules of which the Code of Ethics forms an integral part." ?
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why didn't you bold the part that reads . . . "agree to abide by the Constitution and Rules of which the Code of Ethics forms an integral part." ?
Because it makes no difference.
The bold parts are the key words in making my point...
There is a distinct difference between the two, which is why there ARE two...
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that's complete B.S., excusing it because he had a rough childhood.
He's 35. He done j/o porn and stripped at gay bars in the last 5 years, had ads in the back of the NYC gay bar rags 10 years ago. But that's in the past, and we should only judge his character on what he's doing now.
So, lets assume he's gay...in your opinion, he should be thrown out of the club for doing things akin to the gay community?
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kai greene style!
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Ill save you the time fool...
IFBB's Code of Ethics
Introduction:
The Code of Ethics exist as a set of beliefs that have been written to serve as guidelines for the way in which all Members, be they competitors, officials, administrators, or others, should strive to conduct themselves as Members of the IFBB family. National Federations and other Members join the IFBB of their own free will and, in so doing, agree to abide by the Constitution and Rules of which the Code of Ethics forms an integral part. Any National Federation or other Member who is found to have contravened the Code of Ethics may be subject to disciplinary or other measures.
Chick,
If K.Green's past(questionable behavior) became his present, would he be suspended from the IFBB? To take it one step further...If he was to win the Olympia next week and then decided to demolish a grapefruit on camera/film whatever(you get the drift) Would the IFBB have a problem with that? And if so, on what grounds?
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Chick,
If K.Green's past(questionable behavior) became his present, would he be suspended from the IFBB? To take it one step further...If he was to win the Olympia next week and then decided to demolish a grapefruit on camera/film whatever(you get the drift) Would the IFBB have a problem with that? And if so, on what grounds?
Maybe he had scurvvy when he did the grapefruit thing...who knows? I cant speak for what the IFBB is thinking...but I would be quite shocked if Kai were to do anything he used to do, as he is now making some pretty good coin and is in a different place in his life
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Maybe he had scurvvy when he did the grapefruit thing...who knows? I cant speak for what the IFBB is thinking...but I would be quite shocked if Kai were to do anything he used to do, as he is now making some pretty good coin and is in a different place in his life
The above quote could be applied to yourself too.
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Aiman Faour's life off and on stage ;D
LOL
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LOL
Were you better off not knowing? http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=242927.0
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So, lets assume he's gay...in your opinion, he should be thrown out of the club for doing things akin to the gay community?
the original question was
should Kai's past indiscretions affect wether he wins the Olympia even if his physique is the best onstage?
and you replied
the past is the past, and he had a rough childhood
that's what I'm calling B.S. on. that the difficulties he had as a teen should excuse his escorting in his late 20s and jo videos in his 30s.
but let me give you some insight into 'the gay community'. Most gays look down at prostitution. We may understand that there are times in a person's life where one needs to do it to survive. Its better than being evicted because you're three months late on the rent. But those that choose it as a career are somewhat ostracized.
and then what happens if Kai isn't gay? what's looked down at even more by the gay community is straight boys who escort.
But now regarding the IFBB, yes I believe that the code of ethics should be enforced. That both male and female IFBB pros should not be sex workers. That includes escorting, contact porn, jo videos, muscle worship videos, and probably even these wrestling videos. Artistic nudes, don't have a problem with.
But then again, I also believe that IFBB pros should be salaried employees.
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the original question was
and you replied
that's what I'm calling B.S. on. that the difficulties he had as a teen should excuse his escorting in his late 20s and jo videos in his 30s.
but let me give you some insight into 'the gay community'. Most gays look down at prostitution. We may understand that there are times in a person's life where one needs to do it to survive. Its better than being evicted because you're three months late on the rent. But those that choose it as a career are somewhat ostracized.
and then what happens if Kai isn't gay? what's looked down at even more by the gay community is straight boys who escort.
But now regarding the IFBB, yes I believe that the code of ethics should be enforced. That both male and female IFBB pros should not be sex workers. That includes escorting, contact porn, jo videos, muscle worship videos, and probably even these wrestling videos. Artistic nudes, don't have a problem with.
But then again, I also believe that IFBB pros should be salaried employees.
one person's art is another person's trash.
IFBB pros as salaried employees? how is that possible? say the starting salary is $75,000 a year. does it include health insurance? the IFBB would be forced into bankruptcy in the first year.
as for sex workers. i see nothing immoral about massaging a sex organ with a piece of fruit. as a matter of fact, it might be safer than having contact with another person. i do not look down on prostitution and i've never hired one or compensated one in any manner or form. nor do i have a problem with wrestling video's, J/O video's, muscle worship video's. as long as it's not pornographic or endangering a child, it's none of my business.
i've always commented on hair, set design, lighting, costumes etc.
some of these folks who claim to speak for the gay community are no more a bunch of self appointed moralistic scolds.
i'm ok with Kai Green taking a road less traveled and wish him the best. ps he's not my type
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The two posts above are both great examples oh how perception/ opinion comes into play...
To answer your initial question, Tim...NO, his past should not be taken into consideration when a PHYSIQUE show is being judged on one thing and one thing only....a physique.
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Maybe he had scurvvy when he did the grapefruit thing...who knows?
HAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHH AHAHA!!!!!!
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Getting back to Aiman for a moment... what do fans think of his physique? I think he looked much better back in 2006. Here he is in 2009. :-\
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massaging a sex organ with a fruit.
Fruity...
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Getting back to Aiman for a moment... what do fans thing of his physique? I think he looked much better back in 2006. Here he is in 2009. :-\
he's not very Zane-esque in that pic. That's all i got
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Bay - regarding your quote " It's funny how these guys will say this is gay, but ... watching your favorite musclemen, oiled up, and flexing to music for your enjoyment is not."
The problem with you is that you are kind of like a peodophile who looks at children playing in the schoolyard and then fantasizes about molesting them, and imagines that everyone else must have similarly perverted desires. A normal person just sees kids playing. A peophile on the other hand sees nubile young playthings, running around provocatively and fantasizes about raping the fondeling them...
I have been to body building contests, sometimes look at bodybuilding mags etc, but I can assure you I don't have gay thoughts about the competitors. The thought of doing anything sexual with them has never ever crossed my mind. I am sure this would be the case for most normal guys. The video like the one you posted is something that a normal guy would just find either wierd or disguisting - definately not a turn-on.
Not everyone has the same perverted thoughts that you do. I can admire an impressive physique in a (non-homo way). Most guys can. We don't fantasize about oiling them up, sucking them off, doing them anally, tieing them up, whipping them, jerking off over them, or any other other stuff you do (or would like to do to them).
What you are promoting is a perversion of all that the sport. stands for. Bodybuilding is about guys training to become more muscular and building better physiques - striving to become more masculine if you like (hence all the androgenic products being used today). Its NOT about guys trying to become gay or about guys trying to turn on guys who are gays.
Here's a suggestion - go up to someone like Branch, tell them your gay theories and see what kind of reaction you get...
PS - just out of interest, do you also think sports like boxing and UFC etc are gay? Or is it just with regard to building that you have these views.
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Getting back to Aiman for a moment... what do fans thing of his physique? I think he looked much better back in 2006. Here he is in 2009. :-\
in a word...awful
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The two posts above are both great examples oh how perception/ opinion comes into play...
To answer your initial question, Tim...NO, his past should not be taken into consideration when a PHYSIQUE show is being judged on one thing and one thing only....a physique.
I agree 100%, since his questionable acts are in the past, what difference does it make now.
The IFBB pro div says he cam compete, so you have to judge the man based ONLY on what he brings to the contests stage, no more , no less.
Kai won 1st at the Arnold , so I think he will be judged fairly at the O.
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Bay - regarding your quote " It's funny how these guys will say this is gay, but ... watching your favorite musclemen, oiled up, and flexing to music for your enjoyment is not."
The problem with you is that you are kind of like a peodophile who looks at children playing in the schoolyard and then fantasizes about molesting them, and imagines that everyone else must have similarly perverted desires. A normal person just sees kids playing. A peophile on the other hand sees nubile young playthings, running around provocatively and fantasizes about raping the fondeling them...
I have been to body building contests, sometimes look at bodybuilding mags etc, but I can assure you I don't have gay thoughts about the competitors. The thought of doing anything sexual with them has never ever crossed my mind. I am sure this would be the case for most normal guys. The video like the one you posted is something that a normal guy would just find either wierd or disguisting - definately not a turn-on.
Not everyone has the same perverted thoughts that you do. I can admire an impressive physique in a (non-homo way). Most guys can. We don't fantasize about oiling them up, sucking them off, doing them anally, tieing them up, whipping them, jerking off over them, or any other other stuff you do (or would like to do to them).
What you are promoting is a perversion of all that the sport. stands for. Bodybuilding is about guys training to become more muscular and building better physiques - striving to become more masculine if you like (hence all the androgenic products being used today). Its NOT about guys trying to become gay or about guys trying to turn on guys who are gays.
Here's a suggestion - go up to someone like Branch, tell them your gay theories and see what kind of reaction you get...
PS - just out of interest, do you also think sports like boxing and UFC etc are gay? Or is it just with regard to building that you have these views.
well said
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Bay - regarding your quote " It's funny how these guys will say this is gay, but ... watching your favorite musclemen, oiled up, and flexing to music for your enjoyment is not."
The problem with you is that you are kind of like a peodophile who looks at children playing in the schoolyard and then fantasizes about molesting them, and imagines that everyone else must have similarly perverted desires. A normal person just sees kids playing. A peophile on the other hand sees nubile young playthings, running around provocatively and fantasizes about raping the fondeling them...
I have been to body building contests, sometimes look at bodybuilding mags etc, but I can assure you I don't have gay thoughts about the competitors. The thought of doing anything sexual with them has never ever crossed my mind. I am sure this would be the case for most normal guys. The video like the one you posted is something that a normal guy would just find either wierd or disguisting - definately not a turn-on.
Not everyone has the same perverted thoughts that you do. I can admire an impressive physique in a (non-homo way). Most guys can. We don't fantasize about oiling them up, sucking them off, doing them anally, tieing them up, whipping them, jerking off over them, or any other other stuff you do (or would like to do to them).
What you are promoting is a perversion of all that the sport. stands for. Bodybuilding is about guys training to become more muscular and building better physiques - striving to become more masculine if you like (hence all the androgenic products being used today). Its NOT about guys trying to become gay or about guys trying to turn on guys who are gays.
Here's a suggestion - go up to someone like Branch, tell them your gay theories and see what kind of reaction you get...
PS - just out of interest, do you also think sports like boxing and UFC etc are gay? Or is it just with regard to building that you have these views.
If I were you, I would leave the mind reading to the psychics because you obviously have no idea what I’m thinking when I look at BBs on stage; a course in reading comprehension might also do you some good. As I said previously in this thread, when I look at a “BB show I am not in a sexual frame of mind.” I am willing and able to get the real thing elsewhere so I don’t have to settle for fantasizing about bodybuilders on stage. In any case, what I am thinking or not thinking is beside the point.
The issue here is why is this activity (strippers, muscle escorts, wrestle escorts, musclegallery, private posing sessions, etc.) so common in bodybuilding? Why are so many ostensibly straight BBs peddling themselves to other men in these side venues?
Someone here previously said that “normal bodybuilding fans take pictures because it aspires the to train harder, because they may want to look like that one day, gives them memory of the show.” The problem with that argument is that a bizarre number of these ‘normal bodybuilding fans’ do not work out.
You ALWAYS have men there who DO NOT EVEN WORK OUT! (wtf do you think they are there for?)
Perhaps you can explain to Branch why so many of these people are in the audience and snapping pictures when he is flexing on stage. Or why so many of them work in the BB industry. I don't have to name any names; everyone here can cite examples.
My “perverted thoughts” are the least of the problems surrounding this sport. If I disappeared tomorrow, this circus would still be in effect: your straight/married/w/girlfriend bodybuilders, peddling themselves to other men. Aiman’s schmoe videws are only the tip of an iceberg in reflecting what happens off stage.
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Bay - regarding your quote " It's funny how these guys will say this is gay, but ... watching your favorite musclemen, oiled up, and flexing to music for your enjoyment is not."
The problem with you is that you are kind of like a peodophile who looks at children playing in the schoolyard and then fantasizes about molesting them, and imagines that everyone else must have similarly perverted desires. A normal person just sees kids playing. A peophile on the other hand sees nubile young playthings, running around provocatively and fantasizes about raping the fondeling them...
I have been to body building contests, sometimes look at bodybuilding mags etc, but I can assure you I don't have gay thoughts about the competitors. The thought of doing anything sexual with them has never ever crossed my mind. I am sure this would be the case for most normal guys. The video like the one you posted is something that a normal guy would just find either wierd or disguisting - definately not a turn-on.
Not everyone has the same perverted thoughts that you do. I can admire an impressive physique in a (non-homo way). Most guys can. We don't fantasize about oiling them up, sucking them off, doing them anally, tieing them up, whipping them, jerking off over them, or any other other stuff you do (or would like to do to them).
What you are promoting is a perversion of all that the sport. stands for. Bodybuilding is about guys training to become more muscular and building better physiques - striving to become more masculine if you like (hence all the androgenic products being used today). Its NOT about guys trying to become gay or about guys trying to turn on guys who are gays.
Here's a suggestion - go up to someone like Branch, tell them your gay theories and see what kind of reaction you get...
PS - just out of interest, do you also think sports like boxing and UFC etc are gay? Or is it just with regard to building that you have these views.
You put a little bit too much thought into all that man
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You put a little bit too much thought into all that man
You said it--not me. ::)
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If were you, I would leave the mind reading to the psychics because you obviously, have no idea what I’m thinking when I look at BBs on stage; a course in reading comprehension might also do you some good. As I said previously in this thread, when I look at a “BB show I am not in a sexual frame of mind.” I am willing and able to get the real thing elsewhere so I don’t have to settle for fantasizing about bodybuilders on stage. In any case, what I am thinking or not thinking is beside the point.
The issue here is why is this activity (strippers, muscle escorts, wrestle escorts, musclegallery, private posing sessions, etc.) so common in bodybuilding? Why are so many ostensibly straight BBs peddling themselves to other men in these side venues?
Someone here previously said that “normal bodybuilding fans take pictures because it aspires the to train harder, because they may want to look like that one day, gives them memory of the show.” The problem with that argument is that a bizarre number of these ‘normal bodybuilding fans’ do not work out.
Perhaps you can explain to Branch why so many of these people are in the audience and snapping pictures when he is flexing on stage. Or why so many of them work in the BB industry. I don't have to name any names; everyone here can cite examples.
My “perverted thoughts” are the least of the problems surrounding this sport. If I disappeared tomorrow, this circus would still be in effect: your straight/married/w/girlfriend bodybuilders, peddling themselves to other men. Aiman’s schmoe videws are only the tip of an iceberg in reflecting what happens off stage.
What Bay is saying may not be popular with some, but he brings up valid points nonetheless. While I think we at Getbig too often forget the positive aspects of bodybuilding, and what brought us to this sub-culture to begin with, there is still a lot of bullshit attached, that needs to be addressed. We need to see what, (if anything), can be done to curb the problems that are in our house. This is where Chick fails...he would rather just sweep this under the carpet, and pretend that the IFBB is a magical utopia, where no wrong-doing or problems exist, and it is simply the misconceptions of the "penaut gallery," that he valliently has to shoot down, on a day-to-day basis.
Of course the rest of us know better.... my only suggestion thus far is to blacklist people that do this crap. Not by giving them bullshit placings, but by issuing suspensions. There will still be amature bodybuilders that resort to this crap to make a buck, but it will leave the IFBB out of it, and hopefully restore, (even if by a small margin), some credibility to the orginization.
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The issue here is why is this activity (strippers, muscle escorts, wrestle escorts, musclegallery, private posing sessions, etc.) so common in bodybuilding? Why are so many ostensibly straight BBs peddling themselves to other men in these side venues?
Sounds like you think you have the answer. So what is it? That most all bodybuilders are gay? Perhaps everyone in general is gay, or at least bisexual?
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Of course the rest of us know better.... my only suggestion thus far is to blacklist people that do this crap. Not by giving them bullshit placings, but by issuing suspensions. There will still be amature bodybuilders that resort to this crap to make a buck, but it will leave the IFBB out of it, and hopefully restore, (even if by a small margin), some credibility to the orginization.
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Wouldn't it be sort of hypocritical to blacklist these moral generates though? When basically the whole bb industry is run by homos and perverts? I mean Weider started out by publishing a overtly homoerotic mag and now the org would ban guys who do homo photography for example.
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Someone here previously said that “normal bodybuilding fans take pictures because it aspires the to train harder, because they may want to look like that one day, gives them memory of the show.” The problem with that argument is that a bizarre number of these ‘normal bodybuilding fans’ do not work out.
Same reason why there are fans of soccer who are fat and out of shape and don't play any soccer - they just like watching and living through others. Bodybuilding is a lot harder compared to something like soccer, which can be played at some level by anyone. But you can't look like a bodybuilder unless you've got the genetics and have years and years of lifting under your belt + drugs and all that.
So you don't have to have a ripped 20" arm to be interested in bodybuilding and attend shows to watch contests, anymore than you have to have driven a bike at 150 mph to watch racing or daredevil stunts or whatever. Just because a guy is out of shape doesn't mean that he's a closet homo for being interested in bodybuilding. You have people of all shapes and sizes interested in all kinds of sports and activities, whether it's in the capacity of a contestant or simply a spectator.
Most are simply enjoying a freak show that they don't get to see elsewhere. Some get inspired to get in better shape. Others are gay and get turned on by what they see. And then there are those who simply live through the bodybuilders cause they know they can never look like a pro nor care to put in the amount of time and effort it takes.
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Perhaps you can explain to Branch why so many of these people are in the audience and snapping pictures when he is flexing on stage.
Agian - its your gay thoughts that assume all these people snapping pics of bodybuilders are gay.
If you looked at the camera of a normal guy taking pics, the photos would likely be proper, asthetic, tasteful, and artistic physique shots (or at least that's what he would be aiming at capturing). Contrast that to the pics that a gay takes, and it would probably be pics with the lense zoomed on on the crotch or ass. I can assure you, most guys who take pics at contests are taking normal photos, not for gay purposes. The same for guys who take pics at athletics, basketball, baseball, boxing etc - they do it for the love of the sport, and in admiration of what the competitors have achieved - not for sexual proposes.
For you to suggest that the majority of guys watching bodybuilding events are gay (or have gay fantasies) makes about as much sense (and is as offensive) as suggesting that a parent who goes to watch his daughter's ballet performace is there fantasizing about touching all the little girls dancing.
There is one scene from Pumping Iron that stands out to me, which is where Arnold is posing in front of a bunch of hardened criminals. After he is done, one of the black convicts interviewed, clearly in awe of what he has just seen, states about Arnold that "He's got a beautiful body, man". To me, this was an intelligent and tasteful comment, appreciating what Arnold had achieved with his physique. And that's how most people feel when they cheer, admire, support, clap etc at a bodybuilding event.
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To answer your initial question, Tim...NO, his past should not be taken into consideration when a PHYSIQUE show is being judged on one thing and one thing only....a physique.
and perceived loyalty. can't forget that. very important in both the NPC and pro IFBB. oh, yeah, that's because they're headed by the same guy.
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Although done through somewhat vicarious means, it's all based on this:
"narcissism"
–noun 1. inordinate fascination with oneself; excessive self-love; vanity.
2. Psychoanalysis. erotic gratification derived from admiration of one's own physical or mental attributes, being a normal condition at the infantile level of personality development.
Also, nar⋅cism /ˈnɑrsɪzəm/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [nahr-siz-uhm] Show IPA .
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Origin:
1815–25; < G Narzissismus. See narcissus, -ism
Related forms:
nar⋅cis⋅sist, narcist, noun
nar⋅cis⋅sis⋅tic, nar⋅cis⋅tic, adjective
Synonyms:
1. self-centeredness, smugness, egocentrism.
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gib and kiwiol excellent posts
michael strahan was on the stern show and he mentioned that lineman will shower naked together and even pee on each other
often times players are hazed by teabagging
bodybuilding isn't the only sport that can be gay;D
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Although done through somewhat vicarious means, it's all based on this:
"narcissism"
–noun 1. inordinate fascination with oneself; excessive self-love; vanity.
2. Psychoanalysis. erotic gratification derived from admiration of one's own physical or mental attributes, being a normal condition at the infantile level of personality development.
Also, nar⋅cism /ˈnɑrsɪzəm/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [nahr-siz-uhm] Show IPA .
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Origin:
1815–25; < G Narzissismus. See narcissus, -ism
Related forms:
nar⋅cis⋅sist, narcist, noun
nar⋅cis⋅sis⋅tic, nar⋅cis⋅tic, adjective
Synonyms:
1. self-centeredness, smugness, egocentrism.
you've just defined Craig Titus
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gib and kiwiol excellent posts
x2 This bay guy is a sexual pervert just like a pedophile , He is not interested in BB , he only comes here to get his jollies off and thinks everyone is the same as him just in denial..he is ill in the head.
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x2 This bay guy is a sexual pervert just like a pedophile , He is not interested in BB , he only comes here to get his jollies off and thinks everyone is the same as him just in denial..he is ill in the head.
only a sexual deviant such as yourself could knowingly identify perversion in other words; takes one to know one :-X :)
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Aiman Faour's life off and on stage ;D
Oh, my God... :-\ :-X
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Oh, my God... :-\ :-X
Steve, have you ever been offered money to wrestle?
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i have a video of namat doing the same
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only a sexual deviant such as yourself could knowingly identify perversion in other words; takes one to know one :-X :)
Surprise surprise In waltz the other hom0 "pinkdumbbell" to stick up for his bum buddy.Funny you are trying to use the same mindset as Baygbm "takes one to know one" ::) , you cats are really ill in the head.
Male interest in females is not a perversion einstein.. A male visting a bodybuilding site just so he can get his jollies off is very perverse and then to claim everyone else that is interested is like him you think thats normal..Its just like gib said a pedo visiting a playground . ;)
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Surprise surprise In waltz the other hom0 "pinkdumbbell" to stick up for his bum buddy.Funny you are trying to use the same mindset as Baygbm "takes one to know one" ::) , you cats are really ill in the head.
Male interest in females is not a perversion einstein.. A male visting a bodybuilding site just so he can get his jollies off is very perverse and then to claim everyone else that is interested is like him you think thats normal..Its just like gib said a pedo visiting a playground . ;)
it aint normal when it's children sunshine :-X
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it aint normal when it's children sunshine :-X
Nah you dont say ::) just as comming to a bodybuilding site to get your jollies off and then claim everyones of the same mindset.Its an illness just like pedophillia , if you cant see it i suggest you seek help. ;)
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Nah you dont say ::) just as comming to a bodybuilding site to get your jollies off and then claim everyones of the same mindset.Its an illness just like pedophillia , if you cant see it i suggest you seek help. ;)
you're the dude with the kiddie fetish
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Steve, have you ever been offered money to wrestle?
Yeah, but I even didn't do that musclegallery.com photo shoots...
But the latest offer by email...a guy from NY would to wrestle with my wife Linda (figure competitor)...he just want let Linda to beat the shit out of himself for one hour...he would pay about $800 and travel to here (FL) from NY...
Shit! Guys, what's wrong with the people? I just can't understand... ???
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i have a video of namat doing the same
Post it kid!
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Yeah, but I even didn't do that musclegallery.com photo shoots...
But the latest offer by email...a guy from NY would to wrestle with my wife Linda (figure competitor)...he just want let Linda to beat the shit out of himself for one hour...he would pay about $800 and travel to here (FL) from NY...
Shit! Guys, what's wrong with the people? I just can't understand... ???
i'm not saying a word LOL
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i'm not saying a word LOL
Wait a minute!
You're from NY, right?
::) :D
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you're the dude with the kiddie fetish
Where have I shown an interest in kids you sick fuk?
You are a hom0sexual with children to a poor suffering ex wife, you wouldnt also be a catholic to would you ? is that why you arnt allowed to be left alone with the boy :-X
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But the latest offer by email...a guy from NY would to wrestle with my wife Linda (figure competitor)...he just want let Linda to beat the shit out of himself for one hour...he would pay about $800 and travel to here (FL) from NY...
YOU ARE A HUGE MORON FOR NOT TAKING THAT MONEY.
...btw, i'm not trying to be funny- YOU ARE A HUGE MORON FOR NOT TAKING THAT MONEY
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YOU ARE A HUGE MORON FOR NOT TAKING THAT MONEY.
...btw, i'm not trying to be funny- YOU ARE A HUGE MORON FOR NOT TAKING THAT MONEY
Money isn't the be-all, end-all, Johnny. And selling your body in some way isn't the only way to make it.
Not being condescending or anything, BTW - just giving you my opinion, which isn't meant to be offensive.
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Money isn't the be-all, end-all, Johnny. And selling your body in some way isn't the only way to make it.
Not being condescending or anything, BTW - just giving you my opinion, which isn't meant to be offensive.
not offended at all my friend.
look, i acknowledge that I am not saint and haven't treated my body as a temple of respect- for lack of better words- I am a whore.
I'm a big boy and I have made my decisions with full consciousness
money isn't the be-all end all....unfortunately though, it is the only thing i can pay the rent with for now
and again, i take NO OFFENSE to your opinion whatsoever. I respect it
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Where have I shown an interest in kids you sick fuk?
You are a hom0sexual with children to a poor suffering ex wife, you wouldnt also be a catholic to would you ? is that why you arnt allowed to be left alone with the boy :-X
right ::) what i am doing is paying the the poor college kids credit cards every month....i'm such a bad daddy.
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not offended at all my friend.
look, i acknowledge that I am not saint and haven't treated my body as a temple of respect- for lack of better words- I am a whore.
I'm a big boy and I have made my decisions with full consciousness
money isn't the be-all end all....unfortunately though, it is the only thing i can pay the rent with for now
and again, i take NO OFFENSE to your opinion whatsoever. I respect it
Cool, thanks. You do what you have to do - we all do.
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right ::) what i am doing is paying the the poor college kids credit cards every month....i'm such a bad daddy.
I rethought that post and think it was uncalled for , so am sorry for chucking a nasty thing like that at you..
You are gay , that is not your choice and as a human being I would view you the same as anyone else. but Bay is on a whole different level to you and other homosexuals here like nycbull , Tim yourself etc..
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only a sexual deviant such as yourself could knowingly identify perversion in other words; takes one to know one :-X :)
That "takes one to know one" is a rediculus statement (and actually seems to be often been used by gays to "defend" themselves). Clearly a person can see or recognize that someone else is gay without being gay themselves.
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This was fun... what other bubble should I burst today? ;D
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This was fun... what other bubble should I burst today? ;D
Wow, you "burst the bubble" of some guy most of his here including myself have never even heard of.....this is serious stuff! ::)
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this Aiman has brought great shame to his father's house
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Bay is so gay, he bought a Fleshlight and uses it as a dildo.
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Wow, you "burst the bubble" of some guy most of his here including myself have never even heard of.....this is serious stuff! ::)
He may not be a big name on the pro circut, but he can be seen on a regular basis, at Gold's Venice, so he is in the main radar. Fair dinkum I say. :D
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Bay how come they don't have erections during this stuff? isn't it supposed to be sexual "role play" i.e. a dominant partner man handling and will "do the deed" with force if necessary i.e. helpless and submissive
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Bay how come they don't have erections during this stuff? isn't it supposed to be sexual "role play" i.e. a dominant partner man handling and will "do the deed" with force if necessary i.e. helpless and submissive
I’m no expert here (well, maybe I am), but it seems to me you’ve already identified the answer. The videos above document “role play”; they are not pornography. It is not the goal of either man to reach a climax nor is it necessarily to inspire a climax in the viewer. Rather it is to perform some kind of dom/sub fantasy that apparently a segment of the population finds gratifying on some level.
There are muscle vids that are explicitly pornographic with one or both partners displaying erections and using them, but Aiman’s vids are targeting a different audience. There are men (‘straight’ or bi-curious) who want to watch these kinds of videos. They can enjoy them and not identify as gay because there is nothing overtly sexual going on. No kissing, no erections, no penetration, etc. That may sound silly to many of us, but I believe that is what is going on. A similar dynamic is at work in all those muscle training/lifestyle videos that are sold. Again, the viewer can enjoy the visual images without conceptualizing it as sexual because nothing explicitly sexual is going on. People tend to refer to sexuality as either/or: gay or straight, but it’s really a continuum. There are ‘straight’ men who want to watch such videos, but they do not necessarily want to see anything explicitly sexual or obviously gay.
As I have said before, someone who is openly gay is perfectly comfortable getting real muscle sex or real muscle porn and therefore doesn’t have to settle for the titillation of these schmoe videos. Videos like the ones in this tread have more in common with the muscle lifestyle/training videos; they essentially target a similar audience: the guy who wants to see muscle men as a form of entertainment, but doesn’t want to conceptualize it as anything overtly sexual or homoerotic.
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Oh, my God... :-\ :-X
Bah ha ha ha ha
Doom is amused!
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in a word...awful
Cmon bro, all that shmoeing is worth it. He looks great! Livin the dream baby! HAHAHAHA! What a tool. " I am the Hulk,340lbs,25inch arms!"
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some of these folks who claim to speak for the gay community are no more a bunch of self appointed moralistic scolds.
i'm ok with Kai Green taking a road less traveled and wish him the best. ps he's not my type
If you would show up at the meetings like your supposed to you would have known we appointed Tim as moralistic scold...(what the hell is a scold?)