Author Topic: Aiman Faour (Read 45670 times)

timfogarty · « **Reply #100 on:** September 20, 2009, 10:11:57 AM »

Quote from: Chick on September 20, 2009, 04:33:59 AM

The past is the past, instead of focusing on what HAS done, perhaps everyone should be paying more attention to what he's doing NOW, and how he's turned his life around. He didnt exactly have the greatest upbringing...

that's complete B.S., excusing it because he had a rough childhood.

He's 35. He done j/o porn and stripped at gay bars in the last 5 years, had ads in the back of the NYC gay bar rags 10 years ago. But that's in the past, and we should only judge his character on what he's doing now.

johnnynoname · « **Reply #101 on:** September 20, 2009, 10:17:36 AM »

Quote from: timfogarty on September 20, 2009, 10:11:57 AM

that's complete B.S., excusing it because he had a rough childhood.

He's 35. He done j/o porn and stripped at gay bars in the last 5 years, had ads in the back of the NYC gay bar rags 10 years ago. But that's in the past, and we should only judge his character on what he's doing now.

actually, i was gonna comment on Chick's "bad upbringing" argument as well

i know ALOT of people (myself included) who are in that element who have had pretty good upbringings.

Bottom line, we all have bills to pay and some of us make the conscious decision to do it the "easy way"

Topskin69 · « **Reply #102 on:** September 20, 2009, 10:33:35 AM »

Quote from: Chick on September 20, 2009, 10:02:33 AM

And as I stated earlier, the difference between the two, is that under the NFL, you're paid by them...thus making you an employee.

More epic flip-floping from Chick. I like how using this argument is fine when it suits you, but when 240, and others calling bullshit on the IFBB for its unethical treatment of pros that competed in the P.D.I., (using a similar argument that you just used here), you, bitched moaned, and justified the IFBB's actions.

Cant have it both ways Chick...either pro's are free to do what they want, and compete where they choose without penalty, (because there is no guarantee of making any $$ as an IFBB pro), or they are locked into the agreement of the IFBB's "code of ethics," and the IFBB should be expected to enforce this code.

If that were actually happening then several IFBB male pros, and just about every pro female would be in trouble.

Monster hypocrisy that you continue to rationalize and justify.

Ex Coelis · « **Reply #103 on:** September 20, 2009, 10:35:58 AM »

my only concern is placings based on anything other than the physique

Howard sounded like an activist judge in his post

Coach is Back! · « **Reply #104 on:** September 20, 2009, 10:44:11 AM »

Chick, the PGA has a similar morals clause. If the IFBB wanted to enforce such a clause, they could.

Mars · « **Reply #105 on:** September 20, 2009, 10:46:51 AM »

whoremonger

Topskin69 · « **Reply #106 on:** September 20, 2009, 10:47:52 AM »

Quote from: Mars on September 20, 2009, 10:46:51 AM

whoremonger

Mars...you Avatar is mighty...keep up the good work.

Chick · « **Reply #107 on:** September 20, 2009, 11:41:09 AM »

Quote from: Topskin69 on September 20, 2009, 10:33:35 AM

More epic flip-floping from Chick. I like how using this argument is fine when it suits you, but when 240, and others calling bullshit on the IFBB for its unethical treatment of pros that competed in the P.D.I., (using a similar argument that you just used here), you, bitched moaned, and justified the IFBB's actions.

Cant have it both ways Chick...either pro's are free to do what they want, and compete where they choose without penalty, (because there is no guarantee of making any $$ as an IFBB pro), or they are locked into the agreement of the IFBB's "code of ethics," and the IFBB should be expected to enforce this code.

If that were actually happening then several IFBB male pros, and just about every pro female would be in trouble.

Monster hypocrisy that you continue to rationalize and justify.

The pro's that chose to compete in the PDI, were in direct violation of the RULE that states that you cannot compete in any rival federation..

The CODE is what contains such things as which would be considered morality issues, etc...and are subject to interpretation as they are a a GUIDE, and not enforced as strictly as the RULES.

Learn the difference, it may help you in the future to decipher something which really isnt that difficult to understand.

Topskin69 · « **Reply #108 on:** September 20, 2009, 11:48:31 AM »

Quote from: Chick on September 20, 2009, 11:41:09 AM

The pro's that chose to compete in the PDI, were in direct violation of the RULE that states that you cannot compete in any rival federation..

The CODE is what contains such things as which would be considered morality issues, etc...and are subject to interpretation as they are a a GUIDE, and not enforced as strictly as the RULES.

Learn the difference, it may help you in the future to decipher something which really isn't that difficult to understand.

Um...no. It says, (and If I have to dig this up and post it for you I will), in the opening paragraph of the Code of Conduct, that all professional IFBB athletes are expected to adhere to said code, not as a suggestion, but as an expectation.

See the problem here isn't that you have an actual disagreement or even a valid argument to stand on, so you make up excuses for what is obviously blatant hypocrisy on the IFBB's part. You could just say "The IFBB is wrong in this matter," or something similar, but I suppose that would take too much courage eh Chick?

Schmoe Buster · « **Reply #109 on:** September 20, 2009, 11:53:58 AM »

Chick is too insecure to admit when he is wrong or when he contradicts himself, he just back peddles or skirts the issue, whenever he is asked a question he cannot or does not want to answer he responds with a question usually calling the person asking gay, very mature for a middle aged man who is the rep for professional "athletes"

Topskin69 · « **Reply #110 on:** September 20, 2009, 11:56:58 AM »

Quote from: Schmoe Buster on September 20, 2009, 11:53:58 AM

Chick is too insecure to admit when he is wrong or when he contradicts himself, he just back peddles or skirts the issue, whenever he is asked a question he cannot or does not want to answer he responds with a question usually calling the person asking gay, very mature for a middle aged man who is the rep for professional "athletes"

In the 3+ years I have been on Getbig, I dont think I have once seen Chick conceed a point, or admit that he was wrong. I dont care WHO you are, no one is right all the time. Unless your Chick...he is the paragon of wisdom, truth, and sensibility. If only the rest of humanity could follow in his footsteps...

kyomu · « **Reply #111 on:** September 20, 2009, 12:00:41 PM »

Wahahahahahha!

Schmoe Buster · « **Reply #112 on:** September 20, 2009, 12:02:03 PM »

Quote from: Topskin69 on September 20, 2009, 11:56:58 AM

In the 3+ years I have been on Getbig, I dont think I have once seen Chick conceed a point, or admit that he was wrong. I dont care WHO you are, no one is right all the time. Unless your Chick...he is the paragon of wisdom, truth, and sensibility. If only the rest of humanity could follow in his footsteps...

Exactly, he will read our posts then respond by calling us gay,suggesting we dont have gf's,or that we post here 24/7 like he does, he is an immature and insecure middle aged man who spends his ample free time calling younger men gay on message board while habitually lying and back peddling or skirting issues

MuscleMcMannus · « **Reply #113 on:** September 20, 2009, 02:03:51 PM »

It's only gay if you want it to be right Chick? LMAO! Competitive bodybuilding is a joke.

bigdumbbell · « **Reply #114 on:** September 20, 2009, 02:09:10 PM »

Quote from: Chick on September 20, 2009, 04:33:59 AM

The past is the past, instead of focusing on what HAS done, perhaps everyone should be paying more attention to what he's doing NOW, and how he's turned his life around. He didnt exactly have the greatest upbringing...

Should athletes behaviour be considered? Well, if that was the case, they wouldnt have enough players to field 2 teams in the NFL...when you start to try enforce morality (or peoples interpretation/ opinion of just what that is), you open up a big Pandora's Box subject to civil rights, etc

this is why i've always respected you RMC. leadership. there are enough paranoid sexually insecure freaks on this site already.

BayGBM · « **Reply #115 on:** September 20, 2009, 02:09:48 PM »

Quote from: MuscleMcMannus on September 20, 2009, 02:03:51 PM

It's only gay if you want it to be right Chick? LMAO! Competitive bodybuilding is a joke.

If this sort of thing only happened once or twice we could ignore it as one or two guys being a flake but everyone here knows that this is par for the course in bodybuilding--and it has been for a long time! From musclegallery.com to “lifestyle vids” to wrestling vids, and private posing… there is a lot going on here that… how shall I put this… no mother would be proud of.

Howard · « **Reply #116 on:** September 20, 2009, 03:03:19 PM »

Quote from: Chick on September 19, 2009, 08:16:15 PM

Agreed Howie, but it's tough to regulate such things when the "players" arent directly paid from the "team"....none of the top guys have been involved in such things...Kai, who you are referring to, being the obvious exception...it's tough enough for other sports to keep everyone from getting into shit, like the NFL, NBA, MLB...and these guys are making MILLIONS.

No argument about various assclowns in ever other pro sport. LOL, a new report sates that 78% of all ex NFL players end up broke or bankrupt within 2 yrs after their last season.

I have to give Kai credit and say I am NOT aware of any sex site crap for him since he started doing better over the last 2-3 yrs. I think we both agree, that if the contest is a well produced, quality event with lost of fan interest, it will be good for the sport. The main thing for me as a longtime fan is the quality of the guys on stage and overall production of the event.
Drug use, some obscure schmo site and other crap doesn't matter to me , so long as the event is "kick ass".

Howard · « **Reply #117 on:** September 20, 2009, 03:05:12 PM »

Quote from: Big Poppa J on September 20, 2009, 10:35:58 AM

my only concern is placings based on anything other than the physique

Howard sounded like an activist judge in his post

Considering I don't even know over 90% of the folks I judge , I don't have much of an agenda when I judge , other than picking the best phsyqiue on stage that day.

Howard · « **Reply #118 on:** September 20, 2009, 03:07:26 PM »

Quote from: Big Poppa J on September 19, 2009, 10:36:20 PM

should Kai's past indiscretions affect wether he wins the Olympia even if his physique is the best onstage?

as you say, his "behavior is by far the worst thing for pro BB" - surely not the kind of man you want representing the sport you love . . .

Kai is allowed to compete by the IFBB pro div and won the Arnold classic.His questionable conduct is in the past and if the IFBB lets him compete you then have to judge the man on what he looks like on the stage.

Ex Coelis · « **Reply #119 on:** September 20, 2009, 03:11:45 PM »

thanks for clarifying

Kai has come a long way

Howard · « **Reply #120 on:** September 20, 2009, 03:16:53 PM »

Quote from: Chick on September 20, 2009, 11:41:09 AM

The pro's that chose to compete in the PDI, were in direct violation of the RULE that states that you cannot compete in any rival federation..

The CODE is what contains such things as which would be considered morality issues, etc...and are subject to interpretation as they are a a GUIDE, and not enforced as strictly as the RULES.

Learn the difference, it may help you in the future to decipher something which really isnt that difficult to understand.

Bob, you know I defned your rep and respect you as a BB and class act. BUt c'mon we both know the IFBB ignores lots of actual written rules and "official policy" on the books.
The rules on banned substances and "conduct code" is pretty much ignored, you know that.
Obviously, the PDI deal was a clear violation of IFBB rules. I agree with you on that pt, no question.

Chick · « **Reply #121 on:** September 20, 2009, 04:10:40 PM »

Quote from: Topskin69 on September 20, 2009, 11:48:31 AM

Um...no. It says, (and If I have to dig this up and post it for you I will), in the opening paragraph of the Code of Conduct, that all professional IFBB athletes are expected to adhere to said code, not as a suggestion, but as an expectation.

See the problem here isn't that you have an actual disagreement or even a valid argument to stand on, so you make up excuses for what is obviously blatant hypocrisy on the IFBB's part. You could just say "The IFBB is wrong in this matter," or something similar, but I suppose that would take too much courage eh Chick?

Ill save you the time fool...

IFBB's Code of Ethics

Introduction:

The Code of Ethics exist as a set of beliefs that have been written to serve as guidelines for the way in which all Members, be they competitors, officials, administrators, or others, should strive to conduct themselves as Members of the IFBB family. National Federations and other Members join the IFBB of their own free will and, in so doing, agree to abide by the Constitution and Rules of which the Code of Ethics forms an integral part. Any National Federation or other Member who is found to have contravened the Code of Ethics may be subject to disciplinary or other measures.

tom joad · « **Reply #122 on:** September 20, 2009, 04:17:18 PM »

Quote from: Chick on September 20, 2009, 04:10:40 PM

IFBB's Code of Ethics

Introduction:

The Code of Ethics exist as a set of beliefs that have been written to serve as guidelines for the way in which all Members, be they competitors, officials, administrators, or others, should strive to conduct themselves as Members of the IFBB family. National Federations and other Members join the IFBB of their own free will and, in so doing, agree to abide by the Constitution and Rules of which the Code of Ethics forms an integral part. Any National Federation or other Member who is found to have contravened the Code of Ethics may be subject to disciplinary or other measures.

why didn't you bold the part that reads . . . "agree to abide by the Constitution and Rules of which the Code of Ethics forms an integral part." ?

Chick · « **Reply #123 on:** September 20, 2009, 04:20:41 PM »

Quote from: tom joad on September 20, 2009, 04:17:18 PM

why didn't you bold the part that reads . . . "agree to abide by the Constitution and Rules of which the Code of Ethics forms an integral part." ?

Because it makes no difference.

The bold parts are the key words in making my point...

There is a distinct difference between the two, which is why there ARE two...

Chick · « **Reply #124 on:** September 20, 2009, 04:27:07 PM »

Quote from: timfogarty on September 20, 2009, 10:11:57 AM

that's complete B.S., excusing it because he had a rough childhood.

He's 35. He done j/o porn and stripped at gay bars in the last 5 years, had ads in the back of the NYC gay bar rags 10 years ago. But that's in the past, and we should only judge his character on what he's doing now.

So, lets assume he's gay...in your opinion, he should be thrown out of the club for doing things akin to the gay community?