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Re: Female bodybuilders describe widespread sexual exploitation
« Reply #75 on: October 26, 2022, 06:03:21 PM »
Yes, because you never saw it happen, therefore it never happened.

Superb logic.

I'm sure he's known about these things and doesn't want to comment on them.

I was only involved in BBing at a very low level in the NPC and didn't know any of the big-name people. And it was a wide-open fact that these things have been real for men and women for decades.

In Ron's position, it's best to play stupid, just like everyone else will until the facts come out.

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Re: Female bodybuilders describe widespread sexual exploitation
« Reply #76 on: October 26, 2022, 06:07:03 PM »
Yes, because you never saw it happen, therefore it never happened.

Superb logic.

Epistemological solipsism.

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Re: Female bodybuilders describe widespread sexual exploitation
« Reply #77 on: October 26, 2022, 06:10:04 PM »
Yes, because you never saw it happen, therefore it never happened.

Superb logic.


Ron was too busy to notice, he was always looking for the nearest Chinese Buffett for orange chicken  ;D

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Re: Female bodybuilders describe widespread sexual exploitation
« Reply #78 on: October 26, 2022, 06:27:42 PM »
Epistemological solipsism.

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Well done, brother!  I am impressed but seeing as it is you, excellence is to be expected.  :)

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Re: Female bodybuilders describe widespread sexual exploitation
« Reply #79 on: October 26, 2022, 06:33:59 PM »
Well done, brother!  I am impressed but seeing as it is you, excellence is to be expected.  :)

Superb!

I see a lot of smart men in this thread. I have to contribute more than just humor.

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Re: Female bodybuilders describe widespread sexual exploitation
« Reply #80 on: October 26, 2022, 07:20:45 PM »
I'm sure he's known about these things and doesn't want to comment on them.

I was only involved in BBing at a very low level in the NPC and didn't know any of the big-name people. And it was a wide-open fact that these things have been real for men and women for decades.

In Ron's position, it's best to play stupid, just like everyone else will until the facts come out.

Exactly.

I cannot say if it did happen or did not happen. I’ll wait to see what transpires and go from there.

But Ron makes his living schmoeing so it makes sense why he would play ignorant.
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Re: Female bodybuilders describe widespread sexual exploitation
« Reply #81 on: October 26, 2022, 08:12:40 PM »
These women know and knew, exactly what they are doing and are emboldened by the Hollyweird Ho's that have gone after those pervert producers et al, in Hollyweird.  Good luck but they are risking having all the porn evidence from decades gone by brought up to show that this is just the way lazy, worthless, drug-addicted, mostly retarded men and more than a few lazy women make a disgusting "living".

The Schmoe 'n' Tell is gonna be Hell.  Fuck 'em to Hades. 

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Re: Female bodybuilders describe widespread sexual exploitation
« Reply #82 on: October 26, 2022, 08:28:09 PM »

It looks like these women competed over 10 years ago.   Not condoning any of this behavior, but here is a video explaining who is behind this and why it is coming out now.


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Re: Female bodybuilders describe widespread sexual exploitation
« Reply #83 on: October 26, 2022, 08:40:37 PM »
No wonder all these women are from 10 years ago.  Desmond Butler met up with this guy Wayne at his fathers funeral.  It looks like Desmond is going to keep on putting out more stories.

Desmond Butler said "The conversations at a time of loss brought me back to my earliest days with my father and the bodybuilding giants. At the church, an old friend of my dad’s stopped me. It was Wayne DeMilia, who had run a professional bodybuilding federation years ago and had often been my father’s guide to the bodybuilding underground. “This is not the time to talk about this, but I want to tell you about a possible investigation,” he said. In a meeting weeks later, he laid out alarming stories of recent abuses. Since then, in dozens of interviews with some of the most knowledgeable people in the sport, my Washington Post colleagues and I have uncovered disturbing charges about the top bodybuilding federations in the world — and the exploitation of athletes"

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Re: Female bodybuilders describe widespread sexual exploitation
« Reply #84 on: October 26, 2022, 08:59:10 PM »
Bodybuilding, like boxing, has always attracted marginal people and therefore we get what we deserve. The IFBB was always a business that pretended to be a federation for bodybuilders. Those in control recruited and rewarded loyal individuals who more or less held positions for a lifetime. Eg., Paul Graham in Australia. No elections, no accountability. There are other organizations for sure but bodybuilders and bikini women well know what to do re succeeding. Look at the so-called pro cards. Perfect vehicle to control people like sheep.

Let me tell you a story related to me by Ray Mentzer when he lived at our place in Sydney. He said for the Mr America contest back in the day they had judges meetings in two different hotels. At one of the meetings whoever Joe Weider brought to the meeting would win the competition. Ray told me Joe brought him to one of those meetings and he won the Mr America that year. Ray never suspected that his success was due to Joe Weider! If what Ray said was true why have meetings in two different hotels!

Long ago before the IFBB dominated bodybuilding the AAU Mr America was the biggest contest in America. What evolved in the late fifties and sixties was an interview component where personality and character were assessed as part of the contest. Imagine how many good bodybuilders missed out winning in those days because of that requirement? Guys like Harold Poole and Larry Scott never won the AAU Mr America. So many of the winners were not the best bodybuilders and this gave the IFBB an opportunity to capture muscle heads who could win their shows. As Bob Hoffman got senile Joe and Ben took over and the rest is history.

That is where Jim Manion entered and eventually took over bodybuilding contests in the US. He has been there for a long time now.

About judging. Two questions. Who picks the judges and what are the rules? Accountability and transparency has evaporated. In the past the judges could nominate who they wanted to see in the call outs. They put the lists in a hat and drew out each one randomly. Compare that to how the head judge can call out the first group. Whoever he calls out are the top three. If judges deviate from this they are no longer called to judge. It is all one happy men's club. By the way, the IFBB judging system isn't the best one. NABBA has a much better system. Ben wanted bodybuilding to be part of the Olympic Games so devised a judging system having points and rounds. Of course he included a 'pose down' where errant judges could correct their scores!



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Re: Female bodybuilders describe widespread sexual exploitation
« Reply #85 on: October 26, 2022, 09:25:15 PM »
No wonder all these women are from 10 years ago.  Desmond Butler met up with this guy Wayne at his fathers funeral.  It looks like Desmond is going to keep on putting out more stories.

Desmond Butler said "The conversations at a time of loss brought me back to my earliest days with my father and the bodybuilding giants. At the church, an old friend of my dad’s stopped me. It was Wayne DeMilia, who had run a professional bodybuilding federation years ago and had often been my father’s guide to the bodybuilding underground. “This is not the time to talk about this, but I want to tell you about a possible investigation,” he said. In a meeting weeks later, he laid out alarming stories of recent abuses. Since then, in dozens of interviews with some of the most knowledgeable people in the sport, my Washington Post colleagues and I have uncovered disturbing charges about the top bodybuilding federations in the world — and the exploitation of athletes"

https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/interactive/2022/bodybuilding-then-and-now/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/video/c/embed/a93a60ff-b70a-42de-8cf6-7ed5f808f403

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Re: Female bodybuilders describe widespread sexual exploitation
« Reply #86 on: October 26, 2022, 10:26:49 PM »
It looks like these women competed over 10 years ago.   Not condoning any of this behavior, but here is a video explaining who is behind this and why it is coming out now.



Lol at noted schmoe pleaser Trigili making a big deal about WADA and the IFBB Pro Elite, because -

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All these turds need to stop with the Olympic dreams and clean sport horseshit.

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Re: Female bodybuilders describe widespread sexual exploitation
« Reply #87 on: October 26, 2022, 10:45:48 PM »
When will Nick join in to complain that JimmyZ pressured him into letting an old man blow him on video?

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Re: Female bodybuilders describe widespread sexual exploitation
« Reply #88 on: October 26, 2022, 11:14:36 PM »
Some 20 years ago one of the top bodybuilders from my country ( a small Balkan country) decided to try his luck in the USA. Well his stay was brief. I didn't know the reason for him leaving the USA until recently. A couple of weeks ago I was talking to a guy at my gym and we stumbled upon this story. The guy told me he had supposedly been offered some sponsorship and help but had had to do sexual favors for schmoes in return. Who would have thought  :D

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Re: Female bodybuilders describe widespread sexual exploitation
« Reply #89 on: October 27, 2022, 02:11:57 AM »
Don’t feel an iota of sympathy for these girls. None. They’re all adults none of them had a gun pointed at their heads and they all made alert and orientated decisions. This isn’t anything new.
Every industry every work place since the beginning of time it’s been a simple barter - pay to play. A woman’s value is in her looks anyway. It’s all they truly have going for them. Pretty women have been using their looks for survival since the dawn of civilization.

For once I would like to see women held accountable for their actions and a little responsibility for their decisions.
For once I would like to see women accept consequences for their behavior. They want equality but only when it’s convenient for them. They love playing the victim card when they aren’t attracted to the man being accused of foul play.

I have endless stories about my own exploits dealing with these bulimic manic depressant competitor chicks.
The speed in which they will sell their souls and open their legs for an industry favor is astonishing.


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Re: Female bodybuilders describe widespread sexual exploitation
« Reply #90 on: October 27, 2022, 02:17:38 AM »
Brutal if true

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Re: Female bodybuilders describe widespread sexual exploitation
« Reply #91 on: October 27, 2022, 02:44:11 AM »
I am shocked that a sport that has women wearing thong bikinis and high heels is accused of exploiting these women sexually.

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Re: Female bodybuilders describe widespread sexual exploitation
« Reply #92 on: October 27, 2022, 03:44:31 AM »
Don’t feel an iota of sympathy for these girls. None. They’re all adults none of them had a gun pointed at their heads and they all made alert and orientated decisions. This isn’t anything new.
Every industry every work place since the beginning of time it’s been a simple barter - pay to play. A woman’s value is in her looks anyway. It’s all they truly have going for them. Pretty women have been using their looks for survival since the dawn of civilization.

For once I would like to see women held accountable for their actions and a little responsibility for their decisions.
For once I would like to see women accept consequences for their behavior. They want equality but only when it’s convenient for them. They love playing the victim card when they aren’t attracted to the man being accused of foul play.

I have endless stories about my own exploits dealing with these bulimic manic depressant competitor chicks.
The speed in which they will sell their souls and open their legs for an industry favor is astonishing.


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Re: Female bodybuilders describe widespread sexual exploitation
« Reply #93 on: October 27, 2022, 06:47:36 AM »
I'm sure he's known about these things and doesn't want to comment on them.

I was only involved in BBing at a very low level in the NPC and didn't know any of the big-name people. And it was a wide-open fact that these things have been real for men and women for decades.

In Ron's position, it's best to play stupid, just like everyone else will until the facts come out.

or play stupid because he's an accomplice

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Re: Female bodybuilders describe widespread sexual exploitation
« Reply #94 on: October 27, 2022, 06:50:34 AM »
Epistemological solipsism.

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If I don’t know about it… it doesn’t exist. :-X

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Re: Female bodybuilders describe widespread sexual exploitation
« Reply #95 on: October 27, 2022, 07:06:28 AM »
Monica Brant was harassed by the Manions way back late 90-s, she refused to sign on their contracts, but on the other hand take Jenny Lynn for example she was endorsed by them and won as many figure shows as she could ....... there was a saying that she was a manion girl .... she slept all the way up ..... and she won so many figure shows but on the contrary Monica finished so many times second or third but clearly she had the best physique.  :-*

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Re: Female bodybuilders describe widespread sexual exploitation
« Reply #96 on: October 27, 2022, 07:22:48 AM »
Mandy Henderson, a former sheriff’s deputy in Santa Clara County, Calif., detailed in an interview how the pressure was exerted on women. She agreed to nude photography with the expectation of winning a pro card, which allows athletes to move from amateur competitions to the professional league. A pro card can mean more money, sponsorships, and the chance to compete in the headlining competitions: the Arnold Classic and the Olympia.

BRAVO to the girls who gave up competing rather than follow suit.

This other chick I’ve quoted above, however, 1). Is not going to make a very credible witness:

https://www.workcompcentral.com/news/article/id/edf2de5d6be52f808cd09e4d98aadb9b950d2318

and 2). Has been competing all along, still:

https://contests.npcnewsonline.com/contests/2022/ifbb_masters_world_pro/mandy_henderson/index.php

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Re: Female bodybuilders describe widespread sexual exploitation
« Reply #97 on: October 27, 2022, 08:53:16 AM »
Monica Brant was harassed by the Manions way back late 90-s, she refused to sign on their contracts, but on the other hand take Jenny Lynn for example she was endorsed by them and won as many figure shows as she could ....... there was a saying that she was a manion girl .... she slept all the way up ..... and she won so many figure shows but on the contrary Monica finished so many times second or third but clearly she had the best physique and morals.  :-*

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Re: Female bodybuilders describe widespread sexual exploitation
« Reply #98 on: October 27, 2022, 08:55:47 AM »
Monica Brant was harassed by the Manions way back late 90-s, she refused to sign on their contracts, but on the other hand take Jenny Lynn for example she was endorsed by them and won as many figure shows as she could ....... there was a saying that she was a manion girl .... she slept all the way up ..... and she won so many figure shows but on the contrary Monica finished so many times second or third but clearly she had the best physique.  :-*

Jenny knew her role and shut her mouth. Well, opened her mouth as well but only when absolutely necessary. That’s a real woman.

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Re: Female bodybuilders describe widespread sexual exploitation
« Reply #99 on: October 27, 2022, 08:56:52 AM »
Don’t feel an iota of sympathy for these girls. None. They’re all adults none of them had a gun pointed at their heads and they all made alert and orientated decisions. This isn’t anything new.
Every industry every work place since the beginning of time it’s been a simple barter - pay to play. A woman’s value is in her looks anyway. It’s all they truly have going for them. Pretty women have been using their looks for survival since the dawn of civilization.

For once I would like to see women held accountable for their actions and a little responsibility for their decisions.
For once I would like to see women accept consequences for their behavior. They want equality but only when it’s convenient for them. They love playing the victim card when they aren’t attracted to the man being accused of foul play.

I have endless stories about my own exploits dealing with these bulimic manic depressant competitor chicks.
The speed in which they will sell their souls and open their legs for an industry favor is astonishing.


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This.
Most of them belong to the streets.