Author Topic: off cycle (Read 7262 times)

Stavios · « **on:** August 20, 2009, 03:00:59 PM »

hey bitches

i have been on for a few months so I was thinking about going "off" for a few months also, maybe until febuary or so.

so I'll bridge with insulin to retain my muscle mass and 25 mcg of t3 to prevent me from becoming a fat ass.

i am also training for strenght but since i have been training for strenght the whole summer I'll do 2 weeks of high reps to let my joints heal and then 4 weeks of hypertrophy (8-12) than I'll train for strenght for another 2 months.

hopefully I will be able to maintain my mass while getting stronger.
what do you bitches think ?

(I know if i want results I should stay "on" all the time but I'll do that after i have kids)

Stavios · « **Reply #1 on:** August 20, 2009, 03:02:44 PM »

oh, I will also take cialis once in a while for the first 2-3 months, I want to keep my gf

dyslexic · « **Reply #2 on:** August 20, 2009, 03:32:29 PM »

In theory that type of "bridge" sounds like it would work, but chances are, you will see a decrease in your energy levels (especially with Insulin and T3)- I wouldnt count on having a strength phase too soon after just coming off.

The Cialis might be a good idea, but the T3 can kill a hard-on quick- so beware.

You will have to fight mentally to maintain your gym activities when you are off. Maybe a couple extra GFs and some good porn will help you throughout the "off" period.

Good luck mang!

tbombz · « **Reply #3 on:** August 20, 2009, 03:33:12 PM »

keep your gh going during the bridge, dude.

Stavios · « **Reply #4 on:** August 20, 2009, 03:44:51 PM »

Quote from: tbombz on August 20, 2009, 03:33:12 PM

keep your gh going during the bridge, dude.

I stopped the HGH a month ago, lack of $$$

shit is expensive here

dyslexic: for some reason I am way more letargic while being "on" usually ! I will keep you guys updated
I tought the strenght phase would help me keep some muscle

Nasty Nate · « **Reply #5 on:** August 20, 2009, 08:10:44 PM »

How come so much time off?

makaveli25 · « **Reply #6 on:** August 20, 2009, 08:16:25 PM »

Coming off is a bitch best success I had was with straight clomid and some Lr3 igf. Who knows if it was even real but I maintained gains and strength. My cycle was only 12 weeks long though maybe I didn't shut down that hard

thelamefalsehood · « **Reply #7 on:** August 20, 2009, 08:28:02 PM »

Stavios
Look up some of the Westside Theories on powerlifting. Using bands, chains, etc. When I come off, I stick with a lot of stuff they teach, and strength stays pretty good. Some of it is wild compared to what bodybuilders traditionally do, but it works very well. Just be careful and pay attention to what your body tells you as far as aches and pains.

Van_Bilderass · « **Reply #8 on:** August 21, 2009, 04:26:12 AM »

allnatural · « **Reply #9 on:** August 21, 2009, 11:41:07 AM »

^wow.

Stavios · « **Reply #10 on:** August 21, 2009, 01:28:59 PM »

Efferding is fucked up !!!!!

that's fucking strong.

Van, what's the norm when we talk about strenght gain ?

dead, squat and bench, how many pounds can a "normal" dude gain on those lift in 1 year ?
like 50-75 lbs ?

tstmaniac · « **Reply #11 on:** August 21, 2009, 02:00:15 PM »

those guys are fuckin monsters

koszhuk · « **Reply #12 on:** August 21, 2009, 02:24:43 PM »

"Never start dieting in the recovery stage (after cycle) it will strip you of your hard earned tissue"....
Is this statement true?

Van_Bilderass · « **Reply #13 on:** August 21, 2009, 07:37:20 PM »

Quote from: Stavios on August 21, 2009, 01:28:59 PM

Efferding is fucked up !!!!!

that's fucking strong.

Van, what's the norm when we talk about strenght gain ?

dead, squat and bench, how many pounds can a "normal" dude gain on those lift in 1 year ?
like 50-75 lbs ?

Efferding would beat Johnnie and White easily is my guess, and he's an IFBB Pro now.

It's impossible to say.

Depends on how advanced you are. When you get in a certain range, which is different for everybody, gains slow down and every pound is hard fought. For example, look at Johnnie Jackson. He pulled 814lbs, IIRC, as an amateur bodybuilder and hasn't been able to beat that mark since. Although he tried. But say you're squatting or pulling an "average" 500lbs you might even put 100lbs on them in a year if you've never been a "weight conscious" lifter before.

I know even as a natural you can keep gaining well into your 40s or even 50s, but it's hard work (Ronnie should go into powerlifting instead!). I know some lifetime natural powerlifters who were stalled in a lift for years but kept hammering away and then it suddenly jumped 20-30lbs. Takes lots of blood, sweat and even tears.

tstmaniac · « **Reply #14 on:** August 21, 2009, 08:15:48 PM »

Quote from: koszhuk on August 21, 2009, 02:24:43 PM

"Never start dieting in the recovery stage (after cycle) it will strip you of your hard earned tissue"....
Is this statement true?

why would you reduce your calories and up your cardio after coming off of a cycle......when you come off the sauce you need to up your calories and cut back your cardio and sets in the gym..

Stavios · « **Reply #15 on:** August 21, 2009, 10:14:51 PM »

Quote from: Van_Bilderass on August 21, 2009, 07:37:20 PM

Efferding would beat Johnnie and White easily is my guess, and he's an IFBB Pro now.

It's impossible to say. Depends on how advanced you are. When you get in a certain range, which is different for everybody, gains slow down and every pound is hard fought. For example, look at Johnnie Jackson. He pulled 814lbs, IIRC, as an amateur bodybuilder and hasn't been able to beat that mark since. Although he tried. But say you're squatting or pulling an "average" 500lbs you might even put 100lbs on them in a year if you've never been a "weight conscious" lifter before.

I know even as a natural you can keep gaining well into your 40s or even 50s, but it's hard work (Ronnie should go into powerlifting instead!). I know some lifetime natural powerlifters who were stalled in a lift for years but kept hammering away and then it suddenly jumped 20-30lbs. Takes lots of blood, sweat and even tears.

powerlifting seems much more intense and challenging than bodybuilding !
I would love to train with the westside barbell dudes

2 of my bodybuilding friends are being trained in Colorado for an experiment by Biotest with Christian Thibodeau, Dave Tate is also part of the project I think.

their workout look cool as fuck, they did a lot of powerlifting for their prep for the canadian nationals

Luv2Hurt · « **Reply #16 on:** August 22, 2009, 05:24:58 AM »

Stavios comming off will be fine, you are young. Keep training and eating enough protien, not some BB contest diet but good solid food not alot of sugary junk. Maybe a stint of PL training while you are off is just the ticket to keep up enthusiasm and make some actual gains. I dont really think you need to use insulin and T-3 while off but its your choice. Yes you wanna be able to have kids but you also wanna be healthy so you can take care of them and enjoy life later. Keep it simple man let your body rest and know that this time off is just part of the plan.

Stavios · « **Reply #17 on:** August 22, 2009, 06:54:53 AM »

Quote from: Luv2Hurt on August 22, 2009, 05:24:58 AM

Stavios comming off will be fine, you are young. Keep training and eating enough protien, not some BB contest diet but good solid food not alot of sugary junk. Maybe a stint of PL training while you are off is just the ticket to keep up enthusiasm and make some actual gains. I dont really think you need to use insulin and T-3 while off but its your choice. Yes you wanna be able to have kids but you also wanna be healthy so you can take care of them and enjoy life later. Keep it simple man let your body rest and know that this time off is just part of the plan.

words of wisdom right here

koszhuk · « **Reply #18 on:** August 25, 2009, 10:35:20 AM »

Quote from: tstmaniac on August 21, 2009, 08:15:48 PM

why would you reduce your calories and up your cardio after coming off of a cycle...that statement is completely false...when you come off the sauce you need to up your calories and cut back your cardio and sets in the gym..

Why? To burn fat! So, how and when you suppose to burn fat gained during the cycle?

sele137 · « **Reply #19 on:** August 26, 2009, 02:00:21 PM »

Quote from: koszhuk on August 25, 2009, 10:35:20 AM

Why? To burn fat! So, how and when you suppose to burn fat gained during the cycle?

Have you ever heard of cutting cycle

Stavios · « **Reply #20 on:** August 26, 2009, 03:58:13 PM »

burning fat is not a great idea when you come off

the main idea is to try to maintain as much as possible

tstmaniac · « **Reply #21 on:** August 26, 2009, 06:19:43 PM »

Quote from: koszhuk on August 25, 2009, 10:35:20 AM

Why? To burn fat! So, how and when you suppose to burn fat gained during the cycle?

my point to koszhuk is that you shouldnt reduce your calories when coming off of a cycle...that is the time to up your calories...lower your sets and cut back on cardio...but hey go ahead and do that and see how fast you lose all your gains...

Stavios · « **Reply #22 on:** August 28, 2009, 10:48:19 AM »

My last shot was august 15, can I start taking my hcg right now ? with Novedex XT, I heard it was good for PCT.

I think I will also take 3g of tribulus per day

added the slin this week as for 2 weeks I am doing sets of 15-20 with short rest to let my tendons heal a bit.
it filled me out a lot

weight is 230 lbs right now in the gym with clothes on, I'll try not to drop under 220 lbs

Luolamies · « **Reply #23 on:** September 06, 2009, 03:56:32 AM »

Sure you can start taking your hcg right now, infact i think it's a good idea...

And i agree with tstmaniac that when you have just finished a cycle the last thing you want to do is to start cutting... I mean why spend a lot of money, time and effort to get big and immediately piss it all away... I understand the fat burning, but it would a good idea to be on at least something to minimize the muscle loss...

muscle19 · « **Reply #24 on:** September 06, 2009, 09:33:14 AM »

any way you could use a lower dose gh with the slin and small amount of t3? i wouldnt use the t3 with out gh and maybe use a clen instead so that way it doesnt waste too much muscle