off cycle

[tbombz]

good post bro.

unfortunately, I have the mentally of more is better 

seems to me that if I stayed on 750mg, to body would aclimate itself to that dose and it wouldn't be effective after a while.

not super scientific, but that's how I feel when I stay on for a while.

when I go off, I lose some muscle, they I go back on again and I get bigger than I was before I stopped after only a few weeks.

don't know man, it's trial and error in this game 

but I think the best I can do is to stop dieting and just get big even if I get a little pudgy, because we both know that every day I will spend in a caloric deficit will be a fucking waste of time !


right now I am off and 230lbs, little smooth.

I think I need to get to AT LEAST 260lbs before I diet again or else I will always look the same

i hear you man. i feel the same way about the doseages becoming ineffective...but i also notice that this seems to be due to diet, and i can start gaining just as quick as long as a bumb up my carb intake to match the increase in muscle size

[Stavios]

I think when I start back in january I'll do short cycles

always 6 weeks on, 6 weeks off with short esters

probably test and tren, what do you think Dizzle ??

I have had tren dick before but I want to try again with 1g test

[tbombz]

i think test and tren is the best possible cycle, with the possible addition of dbol and or halotestin.

test= natural to body for good mood and sex dive plus estrogen for optimal growth
tren= strongest steroid for growth, awesome aggression, keeps you lean


halotestin and dbol= awesome for pre workout intensity and strength


6 weeks by 6 weeks sounds okay. but if you wanna do short cycles id do 8 weeks, that kind of makes more sense to me...as after 8 weeks myostatin rises, then goes back down after 20 weeks....  so if your doing short cycles less than 20 weeks, it would make sense to get the full 8 weeks out of it before myostatin increased on you...

[Stavios]

i think test and tren is the best possible cycle, with the possible addition of dbol and or halotestin.

test= natural to body for good mood and sex dive plus estrogen for optimal growth
tren= strongest steroid for growth, awesome aggression, keeps you lean


halotestin and dbol= awesome for pre workout intensity and strength


6 weeks by 6 weeks sounds okay. but if you wanna do short cycles id do 8 weeks, that kind of makes more sense to me...as after 8 weeks myostatin rises, then goes back down after 20 weeks....  so if your doing short cycles less than 20 weeks, it would make sense to get the full 8 weeks out of it before myostatin increased on you...

really ?
so out of 20 weeks I could only grow for the first 8 weeks ?
it sucks !

[tbombz]

really ?
so out of 20 weeks I could only grow for the first 8 weeks ?
it sucks !

i would not say that you could not grow from weeks 8-20... but its going to be much tougher, as during that period myostatin is elevated.

weeks 1-8, and weeks 20+ are all prime for growth.

[Stavios]

i would not say that you could not grow from weeks 8-20... but its going to be much tougher, as during that period myostatin is elevated.

weeks 1-8, and weeks 20+ are all prime for growth.

so one could do

8 week mass gaining phase, then diet for the next 12 weeks to lose some bodyfat, than go on a mass gaining phase again 

[tbombz]

so one could do

8 week mass gaining phase, then diet for the next 12 weeks to lose some bodyfat, than go on a mass gaining phase again 

for sure

well, you could do this=

1. 8 weeks  bulking phase high dose aas
2. 8 weeks cutting phase 250mg/week
3. 8 weeks cutting phase high dose aas + high dose t3 and other thermos
4. 8 weeks bulking phase 250mg/week
1. 8 weeks bulking phase high dose aas
2....etc etc


or, your could do 8 weeks bulking, then cut slowly till week 20, then continue bulking.

[pumpster]

I think when I start back in january I'll do short cycles

always 6 weeks on, 6 weeks off with short esters

probably test and tren, what do you think Dizzle ??

I have had tren dick before but I want to try again with 1g test

Agree with you on the effectiveness of shorter cycles, it makes sense.

[Luv2Hurt]

I think when I start back in january I'll do short cycles

always 6 weeks on, 6 weeks off with short esters

probably test and tren, what do you think Dizzle ??

I have had tren dick before but I want to try again with 1g test

Dont like it one bit.

If your off the gas you are coasting, on you are accelerating.

[Stavios]

Dont like it one bit.

If your off the gas you are coasting, on you are accelerating.

so you are suggesting I stay on all the time ?

I will after I have kids.
for now I prefer taking breaks !

my biggest mistakes since I started juicing/competing

- Dieting down too often
- not training heavy enough
- staying on for too long (I really feel it gets innefective after a while, like Tbombz said maybe it's because of the myostatin raise)


I feel I always grow by "burst".
like I will look the same for 3-4 months, then boom for 3-4 weeks without changing anything it seems like I gain weight again.