Truth about natural dieting

[Super Natural]

Just once I want someone to explain this whole 'CNS' drain/burn out/depletion bro-science to me.

it definilty happened to me after a show once, I was doing 14 HIIT cardios a week + 7 weight training sessions.. I was fucked! Insomnia, irritable, tired all the time


Dont really agree that you need heavy weight to diet.  Plenty of guys who like the higher rep stuff for legs and arms...and they looked phenomenal on stage

Maybe some guys do... but not it's nessisary,  I'm talking about what I think is optimum training for dieting...Off season maybe..IMO that type of training does not benefit you when you diet...gives you a nice pump that's all.


Only needed if you get 'huge'   off season by bulking.  Stay leaner, and you will only need the 10 - 12

Depends if you want to win, IMO the longer you diet the better you look, i'm almost ready at 10 weeks out, 4 weeks out I'm ready to go on stage. No doubt The longer I diet the better I am. The best I looked was when I dieted for 30 weeks


This contradicts your list title.  If you use T3, you ARE using hormones.

I was refering to the post by "Cleanest Natural"



Anyone that says they can go ketotic on less than 100gms of carbs is FOS.  

You don't need to go 0- 50g carbs to go into ketosis...When dieting, training hard I definitely burn up more than 100g of carbs, easy! So I personally go into Ketosis at anything under 100g-120g a day... tested it with Keto sticks  



Carbs are overrated IMO.  We have essential fats, essential amino acids, do we have essential carbs?  Nope.  Use enough carbs to 'spare' muscle...that’s it

Agree to disagree, IMO Keto guys look like flat, leather shit...sounds like you've been brainwashed by palumbo  

[Super Natural]

did you use ECA when you hit contest condition?

Yes 2-3 x a day for 16 weeks before the show. More so to blunt my hunger and give me "energy" to train.
I think it burned me out though...felt tired and depressed when I stopped   which really sucked.I havn't used it since. I tried Clen once but I didn't like how I felt. Never used T3 before, but seen it strip muscle off people who diet without anything else.

[dj181]

Yes 2-3 x a day for 16 weeks before the show. More so to blunt my hunger and give me "energy" to train.
I think it burned me out though...felt tired and depresed when I stopped, which really sucked.I havn't used it since. I tried Clen once but I didn't like how I felt. Never used T3 before.

IMO, it's "magic" lies in it's ability to dry you out

Recently I tried to get shredded and the best that I could do was a "wet" 8%, but with ECA I got to a "semi-dry" 6%

There were two major differences from this time til the time before. The first time, when I hit a "semi-dry" 6% I took ECA and did daily hard aerobic training ie running 2 miles in about 13-14 min. And this most recent time, when I hit a "wet" 8% I just cut cals

I used to be a competitive runner, cross-country and track and field, and I NEVER got that dry, from just hard running, so therefore I believe that the ECA was the key to my dry condition

[chrisdaniel33]

 There is no exact "truth" about natural dieting. Everyone loses/keeps different amounts of muscle based on so many factors. I competed in two physique shows in 2011. Never having used any Anabolic's or Pro hormones I thought I would surely disappear. Im 5'9'' and I competed at 165 the first time and 170 , full and dry.Too add to this I used clen for 1 week the first diet down, and for 3 weeks the second , even with that and eating very very low cardio I seemed to maintain muscle . However my legs did lose size due to the stairmaster.

[YngiweRhoads]

Eat food.

Too fat = eat less

Too skinny = eat more.

[Tiny Coq]

Eat food.

Too fat = eat less

Too skinny = eat more.

well.....im fuc.king glad someone has cleared this up. Someone get this guy a medal!

[YngiweRhoads]

well.....im fuc.king glad someone has cleared this up. Someone get this guy a medal!

Damn straight.

Eat a healthy diet and monitor calories disregarding macro ratios.

[Krankenstein]

Just once I want someone to explain this whole 'CNS' drain/burn out/depletion bro-science to me.

it definilty happened to me after a show once, I was doing 14 HIIT cardios a week + 7 weight training sessions.. I was fucked! Insomnia, irritable, tired all the time

But how was that 'CNS burn out'?  It seems like that is just a buzz word/phrase people use....the insomnia can be linked to a very primal mechanism the brain uses to say: "Hey dipshit, dont sleep...get some damn food"

Dont really agree that you need heavy weight to diet.  Plenty of guys who like the higher rep stuff for legs and arms...and they looked phenomenal on stage

Maybe some guys do... but not it's nessisary,  I'm talking about what I think is optimum training for dieting...Off season maybe..IMO that type of training does not benefit you when you diet...gives you a nice pump that's all.


Only needed if you get 'huge'   off season by bulking.  Stay leaner, and you will only need the 10 - 12

Depends if you want to win, IMO the longer you diet the better you look, i'm almost ready at 10 weeks out, 4 weeks out I'm ready to go on stage. No doubt The longer I diet the better I am. The best I looked was when I dieted for 30 weeks

I agree with the longer the diet....but if someone doesnt get above 10%, I dont think that 20+ weeks is necessary.  As far as the comment "if you want to win"...a lot of people dont understand the mindset necessary to 'win' a show...no matter what diet/training they do.  They have probably been brainwashed by their friends "Bro you will win that show easily"....how many times have you seen that?

This contradicts your list title.  If you use T3, you ARE using hormones.

I was refering to the post by "Cleanest Natural"

Got it



Anyone that says they can go ketotic on less than 100gms of carbs is FOS.  

You don't need to go 0- 50g carbs to go into ketosis...When dieting, training hard I definitely burn up more than 100g of carbs, easy! So I personally go into Ketosis at anything under 100g-120g a day... tested it with Keto sticks  

Keto sticks are not always reliable....I was under 30gms and RARELY tested in the trace amount of ketones

Carbs are overrated IMO.  We have essential fats, essential amino acids, do we have essential carbs?  Nope.  Use enough carbs to 'spare' muscle...that’s it

Agree to disagree, IMO Keto guys look like flat, leather shit...sounds like you've been brainwashed by palumbo  

No brain washing here...trust me....I dont agree with full out keto.....the whole 'macadamia nut oil with my brown eggs and peanut butter' drones are pathetic.  I feel that if someone were to do keto-style diet at the beginning of the diet then slowly transition into have more carbs, they would come in leaner, harder, and fuller.  Will anyone ever do that?  Nope

[TrapsMcLats]

Here's what I've found to lose weight as a natural:

"Dieting" is the mistake...eat as much good food as you hunger for (chicken breasts, fish, lean beef, broccoli and other veggies, sweet potatoes, brown rice, oatmeal, etc...), don't eat crap but once a week.

I find that if you eat clean, lift hard, and do cardio 5x a week...you'll lose fat and gain/maintain muscle.  But, that could be just me.

[Tito24]

[dj181]

Mike Mentzer on "diet"

"Sugar ain't da bogeyman it's made out to be"

[Tito24]

mike mentzer is dead

[galain]

Periodic fasting is a great way to drop the pounds and maintain pretty much all of your lean mass - at least for me. I think the whole concept of fasting is completely overlooked - not just by the bodybuilding community but by the general population at large.

[AlphaMaleDawg]

IMO these are the mistakes most guys make when trying to diet without Hormonas :

* Too much cardio (no more than once a day, with one day complete rest a week) - use the diet rather.

* Adding cardio and dropping calories at the same time - too big a deficit

* Getting too fat in the off season ( as a natural you should see your top 4 abs at minimum in the off season, preferably all 6)

* too much HIIT (No more than 2-3 a week) taxes legs too much drains CNS

* Too many days, too much time spent in the gym, too many sets and with high reps & light weight, chasing the pump. - 3-4 days max, 40 min, High intensity, low volume, heavy weight, compound moves mostly, no isolation moves.
Your recovery is compromised when dieting..it does not make any sense to add more than is needed. Only enough to signal to your body to hold on to it's muscle (maintain it) that is all u need.

* Not dieting long enough (16 weeks minimum) 25 weeks is better.

* Using t3 (bad move)

* Not getting enough sleep (at least 8 hours)

* Using a Keto diet less than 100g carbs a day (Not the best IMO)

* Too much protein, too low carb...carbs will spare more muscle than protein. As far as protein more than what you need is a mistake (3g per kg BW) better off using those Kcal from carbs.

* Not enough EFA

* No re-feeds / diet breaks

* Not staying hydrated -especially around workouts

* Cutting out salt.

* losing more than a pound a week

This thread hits close to home. I fell victim to nearly all of these. Can't believe I wasted 6 1/2 years training naturally

[animal1991]

* Too much protein, too low carb...carbs will spare more muscle than protein. As far as protein more than what you need is a mistake (3g per kg BW) better off using those Kcal from carbs.

I'm a bit confused by this sentence... Do you mean a natty bb must consume 3g/kg protein or 3g/kg carbs?
How much protein does a natty bb really need??

[animal1991]

* Too much protein, too low carb...carbs will spare more muscle than protein. As far as protein more than what you need is a mistake (3g per kg BW) better off using those Kcal from carbs.

I'm a bit confused by this sentence... Do you mean a natty bb must consume 3g/kg protein or 3g/kg carbs?
How much protein does a natty bb really need??

[che]

After reading this thread I came to the conclusion that I'm the only real natural in this site , .

Clen ,ECA    GTFO
.

                                                           

[animal1991]

I used Mike's nutrition ratios last year at the beginning of my pre contest diet and it worked quite well for me. I was consuming about 2500 cals a day with the 60/25/15 ratio and then as the weeks went on I lowered carbs as necessary but kept protein about the same.
I want to do the same this time around but I want to change my carb sources. Last time I dieted on basically oats and sweet potato.
This time I want to keep the oats but also include fruits such as bananas, apples and oranges.
Anyone have any experience pre contest dieting on fruit as a main carb source?

[ilalin]

I'm a bit confused by this sentence... Do you mean a natty bb must consume 3g/kg protein or 3g/kg carbs?
How much protein does a natty bb really need??

1.3-1.5g/lb bw protein while dieting, low carbs (50-100g/day) except during carbloads 1x/week
no need for more

1.0g/lb protein bw while trying to build muscle

[dj181]

After reading this thread I came to the conclusion that I'm the only real natural in this site , .

Clen ,ECA    GTFO
.

                                                           

so you've never used ECA?

[Marty Champions]

your days are numberd if you think you can compete with me after i get a pump in the gym

[calfzilla]

Periodic fasting is a great way to drop the pounds and maintain pretty much all of your lean mass - at least for me. I think the whole concept of fasting is completely overlooked - not just by the bodybuilding community but by the general population at large.

Can you elaborate?

[dj181]

your days are numberd if you think you can compete with me after i get a pump in the gym

who?

[The RedMeatKid]

Here's me dieted down to 168 lbs no hormones with a little help from t3 and clen .. eating too little and doing too much cardio.

Were you doing steady state or interval cardio?

[Marty Champions]

who?

those who doubt the failcon