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Title: Went from all this to just subutex and a little xanax
Post by: whitewidow on February 10, 2014, 08:18:40 AM
I was on oxycontin 80mg tabs,oxycodone instant release 30mg tablets, xanax 6 tabs a day,and sometimes I would shoot -up. Now I am just on subutex and just a little xanax. done with all the harsh opiates. This subutex is a great product. I did not believe in it till I tried it for a few days. The thing is it does take some poeple a few days and guys and girls will give up on them and relapse but they work just be patient. I thought there was nothing out there to help me that was super addictive and just as bad like say methadone but subutex is the answer!
Title: Re: Went from all this to just subutex and a little xanax
Post by: Rami on February 10, 2014, 08:20:32 AM
you are in the right direction
Title: Re: Went from all this to just subutex and a little xanax
Post by: El Diablo Blanco on February 10, 2014, 08:25:24 AM
If you want to unload your remaining oxycontin PM me and I'll take them off your hands.  I'm being serious.
Title: Re: Went from all this to just subutex and a little xanax
Post by: whitewidow on February 10, 2014, 08:31:58 AM
you are in the right direction

I hope so,this was no joke coming off all these hardcore drugs! I am lucky I didn't die now that I look back on it. I started using steroids and needles at a young age(24 years old) so I wasn't scared to shoot drugs IV and after I was hit by a drunk driver and fractured my T12 I started to abuse my oxycontin and oxycodone. I was also getting xanax,somas, Methadone at times for pain management not to come off the drugs.

 I had to kick the Methadone first and it was horrible that was about a year ago, even though I had other opites to use my brain was addicted to getting methadone in it as well! Heroin was easier to kick then methadone.I was only using H for 3 months due to the fact I think injecting the oxycontin and roxicodone is stronger. I was only injecting and abusing the old version of oxycontin wich has been off the market for a few years now,lately it has been oxycodone 30mg oxycodone instant release tabs they are water soluable.

I know some of you guys probably wanted me to die but I am going to make it-LOL. To many tragedys have opened my eyes. My step brother overdosed last year on heroin and I still was stupid enough to use it after all that horrible drama.
Title: Re: Went from all this to just subutex and a little xanax
Post by: whitewidow on February 10, 2014, 08:34:28 AM
If you want to unload your remaining oxycontin PM me and I'll take them off your hands.  I'm being serious.

It is oxycodone (instant release) 30mg tabs. the oxycontin has a deterrent in them you cannot abuse them anymore. I stopped getting the oxycontin once the FDA made Purdue change the tablet formulation and just got doubled up on my oxycodone (Immediate release drug) 30m strength. It is the same thing as oxycontin except it does not have the time release mechanism.
Title: Re: Went from all this to just subutex and a little xanax
Post by: _bruce_ on February 10, 2014, 08:38:17 AM
Nice to hear - good luck!
Title: Re: Went from all this to just subutex and a little xanax
Post by: galeniko on February 10, 2014, 08:39:35 AM
oh my,wtf is this
Title: Re: Went from all this to just subutex and a little xanax
Post by: whitewidow on February 10, 2014, 08:40:08 AM
The doctors were giving me half a thousand oxycontin and oxycodone pills and I can only get 30 8mg subutex tablets! Anybody else have a problem this bad and come clean with subutex use? My stepbrother and I used to always give up on subutex and suboxone but we were not waiting long enough till we took it. You have to be in bad withdrawal before you take the subutex and for addicts like my and my dead step brother-RIP we needed more like 16mg a day instead of the usual 8mg they give patients. My brothesr life could of been saved if he took the subutex correctly and was not so impatient. Plus subutex does not get you high just makes you feel normal again and my stepbrother was always chasing a high!

I hate to say it but My step- brother is probably better off were he is.Life was eating him up badly!
Title: Re: Went from all this to just subutex and a little xanax
Post by: Rascal full on February 10, 2014, 08:40:36 AM
Glad to hear you are cutting back. Xanax is pretty hard to kick though, isn't it?
Title: Re: Went from all this to just subutex and a little xanax
Post by: whitewidow on February 10, 2014, 08:45:14 AM
oh my,wtf is this

pharmaceutical heroin and xanax wich is worse then heroin as far as how addictive it is and as far as how you can die going through a xanax withdrawal. You can have a seizure going through a xanax withdrawal and die but it is impossible to die from a opiate withdrawal. xanax withdrawals are far worse! xanax -IMO is the strongest prescription drug made as far as how addictive it is and how bad the withdrawals can be. Both are some serious dope and I was shooting dope as well so I can tell you the old-school oxycontin was 40% pure opiate where as street heroin is 20-30% from a good dealer.
Title: Re: Went from all this to just subutex and a little xanax
Post by: whitewidow on February 10, 2014, 08:47:39 AM
Glad to hear you are cutting back. Xanax is pretty hard to kick though, isn't it?

Yes that drug I will probably never kick but I went through a psych evaluation and they decided to keep me on it for long term. I have been using xanax for almost 7 years! It is a miracle drug! but you do have to follow directions and make sure you do not run out otherwise you are fucked!,and could possibly die of a seizure!
Title: Re: Went from all this to just subutex and a little xanax
Post by: Rascal full on February 10, 2014, 08:50:33 AM
Yes that drug I will probably never kick but I went through a psych evaluation and they decided to keep me on it for long term. I have been using xanax for almost 7 years! It is a miracle drug! but you do have to follow directions and make sure you do not run out otherwise you are fucked!,and could possibly die of a seizure!

Do you take xanax for sleep or anti anxiety? Have you had to up the dose over the last 7 years or managed to keep it the same?

I am quite interested in this drug but never tried it. Have used valium for sleep though...
Title: Re: Went from all this to just subutex and a little xanax
Post by: whitewidow on February 10, 2014, 09:07:38 AM
Do you take xanax for sleep or anti anxiety? Have you had to up the dose over the last 7 years or managed to keep it the same?

I am quite interested in this drug but never tried it. Have used valium for sleep though...

I take it for anxiety and insomnia. I was diagnosed with generalized anxiety dissorder and I got prescribed the max dose to begin with.. My doctor never is intending to raise my dose or drop my dose I get 6mg a day. Valium,ativan,klonopin and xanax are all benzodiazepams. They make xanax in these strengths .25mg, .50mg, 1mg and 2mg. I started out getting 90 x 2mg xanax bars but sometimes I did not want to take a full xanax bar and it sucks biting them in half ,so my doctor prescribed me 180x 1mg xanax wich works out better because I can manage them better.I don't like taking a 2mg xanax bar right in the morning they make me to cloudy if you take 2mg that early but with the 1mg tabs you can control your dosage much better.

I get such a good brand of 1mg xanax they seriously seem like 1.5mg in a tab,they seem overdosed. I would say you would have to take 20-30mg of valium to equal 1mg of xanax. valium only works on the gaba -1 receptor just like the rest of the benzos, xanax works on the gaba-1, gaba 2,gaba3,gaba4 and I believe gaba 5 receptor so xanax is by far the most potent benzodiazepam medication. xanax works great for anxiety,panic attacks and also works great for insomnia.

 It is horribly addictive though! valium is used to taper people off of xanax.valium is way weaker then xanax. xanax is the most potent benzo manufactured but some generic brands are better then others. I love the sandoz brand as you can see in my picture,I also like the greenstone version. The greenstone xanax is just upjohns generic xanax. Upjohn held the original patent and are the most expensive xanax tab by a mile but since they have lost so much money since generics have been available they make a generic xanax tab of their own out of the same plant the name brand tabs come out of.

They also make sandoz's generic tab.I have used valium,ativan,klonopin and by far the xanax was the best but my doctor did not want to precribe it to me he said he wasn;t qualified to make that decision so I got sent to see a psych doctor who decided to write them for me but i had to take UA's everytime I saw him. but aftre the first few appointments they usually do not want to see you for 6 month to a year.
Title: Re: Went from all this to just subutex and a little xanax
Post by: wes on February 10, 2014, 09:09:26 AM
Good luck WW.
Title: Re: Went from all this to just subutex and a little xanax
Post by: Rascal full on February 10, 2014, 09:10:19 AM
I take it for anxiety and insomnia. I was diagnosed with generalized anxiety dissorder and I got prescribed the max dose to begin with.. My doctor never is intending to raise my dose or drop my dose I get 6mg a day. Valium,ativan,klonopin and xanax are all benzodiazepams. They make xanax in these strengths .25mg, .50mg, 1mg and 2mg. I started out getting 90 x 2mg xanax bars but sometimes I did not want to take a full xanax bar and it sucks biting them in half ,so my doctor prescribed me 180x 1mg xanax wich works out better because I can manage them better.I don't like taking a 2mg xanax bar right in the morning they make me to cloudy if you take 2mg that early but with the 1mg tabs you can control your dosage much better.

I get such a good brand of 1mg xanax they seriously seem like 1.5mg in a tab,they seem overdosed. I would say you would have to take 20-30mg of valium to equal 1mg of xanax. valium only works on the gaba -1 receptor just like the rest of the benzos, xanax works on the gaba-1, gaba 2,gaba3,gaba4 and I believe gaba 5 receptor so xanax is by far the most potent benzodiazepam medication. xanax works great for anxiety,panic attacks and also works great for insomnia.

 It is horribly addictive though! valium is used to taper people off of xanax.valium is way weaker then xanax. xanax is the most potent benzo manufactured but some generic brands are better then others. I love the sandoz brand as you can see in my picture,I also like the greenstone version. The greenstone xanax is just upjohns generic xanax. Upjohn held the original patent and are the most expensive xanax tab by a mile but since they have lost so much money since generics have been available they make a generic xanax tab of their own out of the same plant the name brand tabs come out of.

They also make sandoz's generic tab.I have used valium,ativan,klonopin and by far the xanax was the best but my doctor did not want to precribe it to me he said he wasn;t qualified to make that decision so I got sent to see a psych doctor who decided to write them for me but i had to take UA's everytime I saw him. but aftre the first few appointments they usually do not want to see you for 6 month to a year.

Interesting info. Thank you and best of luck.
Title: Re: Went from all this to just subutex and a little xanax
Post by: spiro on February 10, 2014, 09:12:53 AM
I went on subs. It took about a month to start feeling really good again. It's worth it though! With suboxone after you stabilize you can drop your dose very quick. You can get down to 2-4 mg very fast.
Title: Re: Went from all this to just subutex and a little xanax
Post by: whitewidow on February 10, 2014, 09:33:42 AM
I went on subs. It took about a month to start feeling really good again. It's worth it though! With suboxone after you stabilize you can drop your dose very quick. You can get down to 2-4 mg very fast.

I am on subutex so my tabs are 8mg and do not have the naloxone ( opiate blocker) like suboxone has in it. Did you get the suboxone films or tabs? The tabs taste awful! These subutex tabs don't taste bad at all! Do you still get suboxone? I have been clean for 3 weeks and I started taking 16mg a day to start and tapered down, some days I just took 2mg and felt fine but i was also taking xanax wich helps. Man what a life saver though.

Opiate withdrawals at my usage are horrible! Like I was saying my step brother and i have tried them before and neither of us had luck with suboxone because we wouldn't wait till we were in full withdrawal mode and we needed more then 8mg because we were very heavy heroin and oxycodone users. I guess we both thought they would work overnight but it took about 2 days till I felt them working. I wish My step-brother was still alive and had another chance with the suboxone. He was just such a impatient person and was looking for a high when you don;t get high from subutex it just eases the withdrawals and makes you feel like your old self, but you have to give it proper time!

I hope anybody who is struggling with opiates realizes there is good help available out there were you don;t have to be in rehab and can get better while you are at home and if you work,you can still go to work and feel fine!
Title: Re: Went from all this to just subutex and a little xanax
Post by: whitewidow on February 10, 2014, 09:49:19 AM
Good luck WW.

Thanks wes- I appreciate it. I never denied I had a problem. I appreciate your support this of course is not that easy since I have been on a pretty much non stop 6 year pill and heroin habit, more so pills. I only used heroin for 3 months and kicked it by just substituting it with oxycontin.
Title: Re: Went from all this to just subutex and a little xanax
Post by: US MUSL on February 10, 2014, 11:31:52 AM
Good luck WW, stay strong.
Title: Re: Went from all this to just subutex and a little xanax
Post by: Simple Simon on February 10, 2014, 12:13:57 PM
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What line of work are u in that u were able to have this issue & keep working?
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Title: Re: Went from all this to just subutex and a little xanax
Post by: Ronnie Rep on February 10, 2014, 12:42:27 PM
Whitewidow did you ever try Seroquel for sleep! My brother was on Seroquel and Xanax for anxiety! Used Seroquel on a low dose for sleep!
Title: Re: Went from all this to just subutex and a little xanax
Post by: Deacon Jeschin on February 10, 2014, 01:19:59 PM
Congrats on your progress so far....

Keep going....if you relapse, start fresh the next day.  DO NOT give in.... 

Try to ease up on Xanax, as it is one of the toughest drugs to kick.

Continued success....
Title: Re: Went from all this to just subutex and a little xanax
Post by: gracie bjj on February 10, 2014, 01:38:43 PM
good job whitewidow,stay strong. i just came off a yr opiate binge n just finished my 6th day of suboxone today n i feel great,i just smoke alittle weed n take some xanax n im doing great,stay strong bro cause those opiates beat down the strongest of us over time
Title: Re: Went from all this to just subutex and a little xanax
Post by: gracie bjj on February 10, 2014, 02:01:20 PM
its true about methadone, that shit is way harder to come off than herion, it was for me anyway. im happy for whitewidow cause hes doing what most addicts cant do or wont do, hes making changes for the better
Title: Re: Went from all this to just subutex and a little xanax
Post by: dustin on February 10, 2014, 03:08:27 PM
Good job, bro. Doctors hand that out way too easily.

When I was first working with doctors to get my migraines under control they were already writing scripts for super potent opiates. I never filled the scripts because I can barely tolerate a couple of T3s (and get chemically dependent on them after a few days). And when I went for follow up appointments, the doctors would just write another huge script without even asking me anything. It's incredible how quickly they'll write a script for that shit!

If I took all those pills I'd probably be slamming rigs fully of heroin.
Title: Re: Went from all this to just subutex and a little xanax
Post by: Nomad on February 10, 2014, 08:09:20 PM
pharmaceutical heroin and xanax wich is worse then heroin as far as how addictive it is and as far as how you can die going through a xanax withdrawal. You can have a seizure going through a xanax withdrawal and die but it is impossible to die from a opiate withdrawal. xanax withdrawals are far worse! xanax -IMO is the strongest prescription drug made as far as how addictive it is and how bad the withdrawals can be. Both are some serious dope and I was shooting dope as well so I can tell you the old-school oxycontin was 40% pure opiate where as street heroin is 20-30% from a good dealer.

wow....sorry to hear that.

Are we talking about the same Alprazolam? I haven't had the same addiction issues surface with my xanax usage.

Good to hear that you are doing better. With a headstrong attitude you will pull through.
Title: Re: Went from all this to just subutex and a little xanax
Post by: Smokincrazy on February 10, 2014, 08:20:40 PM
Good work dude. I'm on subs and they definitely help
Title: Re: Went from all this to just subutex and a little xanax
Post by: Wolfox on February 10, 2014, 08:25:16 PM
Stay strong, brother.
Title: Re: Went from all this to just subutex and a little xanax
Post by: Master Blaster on February 10, 2014, 10:31:47 PM
stay strong bro, this life is worth living.
Title: Re: Went from all this to just subutex and a little xanax
Post by: dyslexic on February 10, 2014, 10:38:04 PM
I worked 24/7 for over 35 years.

My mind finally said "enough is enough" and shut my body down 3 times.

Not a nice feeling. Would not wish this on my worst enemy.


I kept getting up, brushing myself off and going back to work. Extremely stressful job with over 3000 employees that I managed.


My adrenaline was always flowing. Full-blown "workaholic" for whatever reason, it's in my nature. OCD to the extreme. I was great at what I did, but when age set in... another story.

I've always worked out. Always been clean.

At this point my blood pressure was near 200/100 ~ very, very dangerous. Doc looked at me with my six-pack abs... like WTF?


After I told him about my work history, he prescribed 2 mg 3 x daily of Xanax. I have studied every drug out there from head to toe.


Xanax... well, it's a life-saver. It can get you back on your feet, but you have to pace yourself. I don't get high on it, I just get "normal' on it.

I will more than likely be on it for the rest of my life.

When my adrenaline gets going, it doesn't know when to stop. Xanax stops it.


Perfect example of an animal that can turn it on and off like a light switch: A cat.


A cat can go into a deep sleep and in milliseconds be on full alert, only to fall right back asleep again... and purring.


Xanax will allow you to live again, but you can't abuse it. You can't snort it. You only take what you are supposed to (or less)


You really can't come off it very easy. Statistics show that 1 in 3 get the seizures and even "tapering" or "titration" can take years. Many, many doctors (GP's) don't know this when they prescribe it, but the doctors that work in the Emergency wards in hospitals know ALL ABOUT IT!


It is a miracle drug. If you use it correctly, you don't need more and more and more. Using it incorrectly can even give you seizures.


If it wasn't for Xanax, I would be non-functional.


I can go a day without it from time to time, but I usually have to start taking it sometime in the morning.


Outlook on life MUST change also. You can't stress about things. You learn that ALL THE WORRY IN THE WORLD CHANGES NOTHING!!!!


One day at a time. Chill. What happens, happens and you deal with it. Some good days, some bad.


I never had this in my youth. I was 47 when my first mental breakdown or "episode" occurred.


Kids! Listen up. We never listen when we are young and those that do, need be commended. When you get older:THINGS CHANGE!


Whatever you did yesterday, you will pay for tomorrow. Trust me. It's 100% truth.


Young, dumb and full of cum, thinking you are in total control.


Older, wiser and cherish your days.


Wait and see. Live wisely. Learn from OTHER people's mistakes, not your own. You might thank me one day... but I'll prob be dead by then.
Title: Re: Went from all this to just subutex and a little xanax
Post by: whitewidow on February 11, 2014, 03:25:07 AM
Whitewidow did you ever try Seroquel for sleep! My brother was on Seroquel and Xanax for anxiety! Used Seroquel on a low dose for sleep!

I think the xanax is enough since I use 6mg a day. If I used seroquel on top on the xanax I would never get up-lol. I hear mixed reviews on the seroquel. Most of the guys who tried it said they prefer just xanax. I am aware of seroquel though. Just think my usage at the imte was already to much to add in another drug. I have good luck sleeping just on the xanax but like I said I take 6mg a day wich you know is a shit load. I could never get off xanax it is way worse then opiates.
Title: Re: Went from all this to just subutex and a little xanax
Post by: whitewidow on February 11, 2014, 03:31:37 AM
Congrats on your progress so far....

Keep going....if you relapse, start fresh the next day.  DO NOT give in.... 

Try to ease up on Xanax, as it is one of the toughest drugs to kick.

Continued success....

I know how hard the xanax is to kick or even taper down a bit. I think That comeing off the xanax won't happen. I think xanax is the most addictive drug anybody could take and some people die trying to get off xanax(they seizure out). I really wish I could taper down. The opiates are diffrent you cannot die going off opiates even cold turkey but if somebody went off 6mg xanax cold turkey that might kill somebody. like i was saying even tapering down is a bitch! most addictive drug made! more addictive the heroin and the withdrawals are the worst out of any drug and i have kicked alot of diffrent drugs.
Title: Re: Went from all this to just subutex and a little xanax
Post by: Necrosis on February 11, 2014, 03:33:40 AM
I take it for anxiety and insomnia. I was diagnosed with generalized anxiety dissorder and I got prescribed the max dose to begin with.. My doctor never is intending to raise my dose or drop my dose I get 6mg a day. Valium,ativan,klonopin and xanax are all benzodiazepams. They make xanax in these strengths .25mg, .50mg, 1mg and 2mg. I started out getting 90 x 2mg xanax bars but sometimes I did not want to take a full xanax bar and it sucks biting them in half ,so my doctor prescribed me 180x 1mg xanax wich works out better because I can manage them better.I don't like taking a 2mg xanax bar right in the morning they make me to cloudy if you take 2mg that early but with the 1mg tabs you can control your dosage much better.

I get such a good brand of 1mg xanax they seriously seem like 1.5mg in a tab,they seem overdosed. I would say you would have to take 20-30mg of valium to equal 1mg of xanax. valium only works on the gaba -1 receptor just like the rest of the benzos, xanax works on the gaba-1, gaba 2,gaba3,gaba4 and I believe gaba 5 receptor so xanax is by far the most potent benzodiazepam medication. xanax works great for anxiety,panic attacks and also works great for insomnia.

 It is horribly addictive though! valium is used to taper people off of xanax.valium is way weaker then xanax. xanax is the most potent benzo manufactured but some generic brands are better then others. I love the sandoz brand as you can see in my picture,I also like the greenstone version. The greenstone xanax is just upjohns generic xanax. Upjohn held the original patent and are the most expensive xanax tab by a mile but since they have lost so much money since generics have been available they make a generic xanax tab of their own out of the same plant the name brand tabs come out of.

They also make sandoz's generic tab.I have used valium,ativan,klonopin and by far the xanax was the best but my doctor did not want to precribe it to me he said he wasn;t qualified to make that decision so I got sent to see a psych doctor who decided to write them for me but i had to take UA's everytime I saw him. but aftre the first few appointments they usually do not want to see you for 6 month to a year.

Whoever your doctors are they should be fired, this is some straight up retard shit here, straight to 6mgs of xanax long term to an addict? LOLOLOLOLOLOL.

for GAD? no SRI, SNRI,bupropion, buspirone,pregabalin, neurontin etc for anxiety instead of xanax?

dude they have fucked you up bad.

Title: Re: Went from all this to just subutex and a little xanax
Post by: whitewidow on February 11, 2014, 03:36:50 AM
Good job, bro. Doctors hand that out way too easily.

When I was first working with doctors to get my migraines under control they were already writing scripts for super potent opiates. I never filled the scripts because I can barely tolerate a couple of T3s (and get chemically dependent on them after a few days). And when I went for follow up appointments, the doctors would just write another huge script without even asking me anything. It's incredible how quickly they'll write a script for that shit!

If I took all those pills I'd probably be slamming rigs fully of heroin.

Yeah that is what I did. I was taking 5 x80mg oxycontin tabs a day, scraping off the coding and snorting them,smoking them off foil, shooting it,shooting heroin, the heroin addiction only lasted 3 months because I was getting higher off the oxycontin. all we get around here is black tar heroin wich is really low quality compared to what they get in NY. I can't believe how me tolerance jumped in 6 years,if somebody with no tolerance did just one of my dosages they would probably die(not even talking about my whole days dosage) just one of my dosages of oxy and xanax especially because I abuse the pills.
Title: Re: Went from all this to just subutex and a little xanax
Post by: whitewidow on February 11, 2014, 03:40:29 AM
wow....sorry to hear that.

Are we talking about the same Alprazolam? I haven't had the same addiction issues surface with my xanax usage.

Good to hear that you are doing better. With a headstrong attitude you will pull through.

Yes I get the sandoz alprazolam(generic xanax). when you get to 6mg a day your fucked! no going back,the opiates on the other hand you can kick even cold turkey. no way anybody could go off 6mg of xanax cold turkey they would die! xanax is very dangerous to come off of. you can have a seizure withdrawing from xanax.
Title: Re: Went from all this to just subutex and a little xanax
Post by: whitewidow on February 11, 2014, 03:44:51 AM
I worked 24/7 for over 35 years.

My mind finally said "enough is enough" and shut my body down 3 times.

Not a nice feeling. Would not wish this on my worst enemy.


I kept getting up, brushing myself off and going back to work. Extremely stressful job with over 3000 employees that I managed.


My adrenaline was always flowing. Full-blown "workaholic" for whatever reason, it's in my nature. OCD to the extreme. I was great at what I did, but when age set in... another story.

I've always worked out. Always been clean.

At this point my blood pressure was near 200/100 ~ very, very dangerous. Doc looked at me with my six-pack abs... like WTF?


After I told him about my work history, he prescribed 2 mg 3 x daily of Xanax. I have studied every drug out there from head to toe.


Xanax... well, it's a life-saver. It can get you back on your feet, but you have to pace yourself. I don't get high on it, I just get "normal' on it.

I will more than likely be on it for the rest of my life.

When my adrenaline gets going, it doesn't know when to stop. Xanax stops it.


Perfect example of an animal that can turn it on and off like a light switch: A cat.


A cat can go into a deep sleep and in milliseconds be on full alert, only to fall right back asleep again... and purring.


Xanax will allow you to live again, but you can't abuse it. You can't snort it. You only take what you are supposed to (or less)


You really can't come off it very easy. Statistics show that 1 in 3 get the seizures and even "tapering" or "titration" can take years. Many, many doctors (GP's) don't know this when they prescribe it, but the doctors that work in the Emergency wards in hospitals know ALL ABOUT IT!


It is a miracle drug. If you use it correctly, you don't need more and more and more. Using it incorrectly can even give you seizures.


If it wasn't for Xanax, I would be non-functional.


I can go a day without it from time to time, but I usually have to start taking it sometime in the morning.


Outlook on life MUST change also. You can't stress about things. You learn that ALL THE WORRY IN THE WORLD CHANGES NOTHING!!!!


One day at a time. Chill. What happens, happens and you deal with it. Some good days, some bad.


I never had this in my youth. I was 47 when my first mental breakdown or "episode" occurred.


Kids! Listen up. We never listen when we are young and those that do, need be commended. When you get older:THINGS CHANGE!


Whatever you did yesterday, you will pay for tomorrow. Trust me. It's 100% truth.


Young, dumb and full of cum, thinking you are in total control.


Older, wiser and cherish your days.


Wait and see. Live wisely. Learn from OTHER people's mistakes, not your own. You might thank me one day... but I'll prob be dead by then.

alomost same story. The xanax is a miracle drug but once you get on 6mg dosages you are going to be on them for life in 90% of cases. I have no intention of stopping the xanax usage,just the opiates. xanax when needed can change your life for the better. I made the mistake of abusing it before but have always made my pills last most months
Title: Re: Went from all this to just subutex and a little xanax
Post by: whitewidow on February 11, 2014, 03:46:42 AM
Whoever your doctors are they should be fired, this is some straight up retard shit here, straight to 6mgs of xanax long term to an addict? LOLOLOLOLOLOL.

for GAD? no SRI, SNRI,bupropion, buspirone,pregabalin, neurontin etc for anxiety instead of xanax?

dude they have fucked you up bad.



They did start me off on ativan ,then to klonopin and then to xanax within 9 months. They just did not throw me on 6mg of xanax, sorry I should of mentioned that. all of what they prescribed me were benzos though from the start
Title: Re: Went from all this to just subutex and a little xanax
Post by: NotMrAverage on February 11, 2014, 03:47:09 AM
same medication i take. addiction history kinda same. sub i take daily as little as possible. 12mg aday each morning is standard. xanax only when needed. usually need to take a few 2 mg pills twice a week (4-6mg standard those days). not been doing them for 4 days now... being addicted to morphine/oxys/opiates overall is no joke!...feel like crap just thinking about those times. keep it up ww!
what doses u need?
Title: Re: Went from all this to just subutex and a little xanax
Post by: gracie bjj on February 11, 2014, 06:21:37 AM
ive been on xanax for 5 yrs now but only take 1mg a day divided into 4 doses of .25, ive found that dosage takes the edge off without turning me into a zombie
Title: Re: Went from all this to just subutex and a little xanax
Post by: Ronnie Rep on February 11, 2014, 06:42:42 AM
I think the xanax is enough since I use 6mg a day. If I used seroquel on top on the xanax I would never get up-lol. I hear mixed reviews on the seroquel. Most of the guys who tried it said they prefer just xanax. I am aware of seroquel though. Just think my usage at the imte was already to much to add in another drug. I have good luck sleeping just on the xanax but like I said I take 6mg a day wich you know is a shit load. I could never get off xanax it is way worse then opiates.
I know seroquel is some strong shit! I only suggested it if you were having problems sleeping, can't take it during the day if you have to function! Do you build up a resistance to xanax 6mg's is a lot! Do the Doc's switch your tranquilizers back and forth so you don't build a resistance!
Title: Re: Went from all this to just subutex and a little xanax
Post by: gracie bjj on February 11, 2014, 06:45:38 AM
seroquil is the strongest shit ive ever taken, i remember taking a pill n drinking a 40 oz of bud n i passed out in my kitchen n slammed my head into the fridge, that shit is high powered
Title: Re: Went from all this to just subutex and a little xanax
Post by: dyslexic on February 11, 2014, 08:42:27 AM
alomost same story. The xanax is a miracle drug but once you get on 6mg dosages you are going to be on them for life in 90% of cases. I have no intention of stopping the xanax usage,just the opiates. xanax when needed can change your life for the better. I made the mistake of abusing it before but have always made my pills last most months

Ive seen people break it and snort it and get an incredible high... then within three hours: Seizures... .it's pretty scary b/c there is nothing you can do, and they need more to get calmed down quickly.

It horrible, but people don't know how bad Xanax can be if abused and misused.

Like I said, use it correctly and you can live again.

I've come off it before with no problems, but this time around I am older and I don't have the same mindset, which has a lot to do with any titration process....


I'm content to be living and working again. I'm pretty much the same person, just older and possibly wiser.


Title: Re: Went from all this to just subutex and a little xanax
Post by: DanielPaul on February 11, 2014, 01:06:08 PM
We're you prescribed Xanax at that high of a dose, is so the doc needs his license taken away for that, there is no medical reason to give someone that much.
Title: Re: Went from all this to just subutex and a little xanax
Post by: whitewidow on February 11, 2014, 06:51:58 PM
I know seroquel is some strong shit! I only suggested it if you were having problems sleeping, can't take it during the day if you have to function! Do you build up a resistance to xanax 6mg's is a lot! Do the Doc's switch your tranquilizers back and forth so you don't build a resistance!

No at first I got ativan and I bitched it did not work because I was a xanax addict before I get a legal prescription.I did not the drug though I do have bad anxiety. Then since I was unhappy with the ativan they gave me klonopin and then I bithced about that because I had tried xanax ( the king of benzos) then when I asked my Dr for xanax he wouldn;t prescribe it to me because he said he didn't know enough about mental health so I had to go see a psych doctor and I was started at 6mg and that is what I have gotten for the last 6 years -no change-ups. seroquel is not prescribed for people like me but I know about all it does is make you sleep. The xanax helps me sleep fine.
Title: Re: Went from all this to just subutex and a little xanax
Post by: Shockwave on February 11, 2014, 06:54:43 PM
Ive seen people break it and snort it and get an incredible high... then within three hours: Seizures... .it's pretty scary b/c there is nothing you can do, and they need more to get calmed down quickly.

It horrible, but people don't know how bad Xanax can be if abused and misused.

Like I said, use it correctly and you can live again.

I've come off it before with no problems, but this time around I am older and I don't have the same mindset, which has a lot to do with any titration process....


I'm content to be living and working again. I'm pretty much the same person, just older and possibly wiser.



It can be horrible. Xanax is one of only 2-3 types of drugs that can kill you from W/Ds, and a person fucked up on xanax and meth is HORRIBLE, absolutley HORRIBLE to be around, because they're all fucked up, have no idea whats goign on, are violent and agressive, and could either pass out or freak out at any second.
Title: Re: Went from all this to just subutex and a little xanax
Post by: whitewidow on February 11, 2014, 06:55:09 PM
seroquil is the strongest shit ive ever taken, i remember taking a pill n drinking a 40 oz of bud n i passed out in my kitchen n slammed my head into the fridge, that shit is high powered

I have been on some strong cocktails where I would pass out and not remember what happened. I broke my shower door because I was trying to come out of a haze and passed out in the shower and fell through the door. I have passed out waiting to take a piss,the meds make it hard to piss and I was standing there for like 5 minutes trying to piss and fell over. all sorts of crazy times.
Title: Re: Went from all this to just subutex and a little xanax
Post by: whitewidow on February 11, 2014, 06:56:00 PM
ive been on xanax for 5 yrs now but only take 1mg a day divided into 4 doses of .25, ive found that dosage takes the edge off without turning me into a zombie

I wish I could do that. I would be going through withdrawals if I only took 1mg of xanax
Title: Re: Went from all this to just subutex and a little xanax
Post by: whitewidow on February 11, 2014, 06:58:20 PM
Ive seen people break it and snort it and get an incredible high... then within three hours: Seizures... .it's pretty scary b/c there is nothing you can do, and they need more to get calmed down quickly.

It horrible, but people don't know how bad Xanax can be if abused and misused.

Like I said, use it correctly and you can live again.

I've come off it before with no problems, but this time around I am older and I don't have the same mindset, which has a lot to do with any titration process....


I'm content to be living and working again. I'm pretty much the same person, just older and possibly wiser.




I used to chop up oxcontin or oxycodone(same shit when you strip off the coding on the old style oxycontin tabs) and I would chop up a 80mg oxy and chop up 1mg of xanax and snort that and I was addicted to snoting xanax ever since. I took them by mouth too but I snorted alot of my daily dose mixed with oxy.
Title: Re: Went from all this to just subutex and a little xanax
Post by: dustin on February 11, 2014, 06:59:51 PM
Fuck. If I took all that shit I'd probably run through a glass window and sleep in a pile of blood for 48 hours.

Really glad that you're managing to trim all of those meds down. Do you still have much day to day pain on such a contrasting dose?
Title: Re: Went from all this to just subutex and a little xanax
Post by: whitewidow on February 11, 2014, 07:01:43 PM
We're you prescribed Xanax at that high of a dose, is so the doc needs his license taken away for that, there is no medical reason to give someone that much.

NO. I had been on high doses of ativan and klonopin so he knew i could handle that amount.Plus since it was a psych Dr. I told him I bought them off the blackmarket and took around 4-6mg a day. You would think he would give me shit for telling him I bought them off the street but I told him I was sick of buying them off the street since I have insurance and should get the medication that works best. he agreed and didn't want to see me get in trouble buying drugs from the blackmarket. he was a cool psych Dr.
Title: Re: Went from all this to just subutex and a little xanax
Post by: whitewidow on February 11, 2014, 07:08:05 PM
Fuck. If I took all that shit I'd probably run through a glass window and sleep in a pile of blood for 48 hours.

Really glad that you're managing to trim all of those meds down. Do you still have much day to day pain on such a contrasting dose?

well subutex is used for pain management these days so there are not as many problems with overdosing. It is impossible to overdose on subutex(you can google it) you hit a ceiling effect on subutex and that is why it is a way better and safer choice and less addictive then methadone. Yes I am in daily pain but my level is not a 9 or 10 wich it would be if I went off oxycodone cold turkey. It is still around a 6-7 wich is high on a pain chart. I was pretty numb on the xanax and oxys so working out wasn't a problem. oxycontin and oxycodone can actually give you a false sense of energy if you are used to taking them . the only thing that fucked with my workouts was I wanted to cutt my workouts short because I was fiending for a hit.
Title: Re: Went from all this to just subutex and a little xanax
Post by: Shockwave on February 11, 2014, 07:25:47 PM
I have been on some strong cocktails where I would pass out and not remember what happened. I broke my shower door because I was trying to come out of a haze and passed out in the shower and fell through the door. I have passed out waiting to take a piss,the meds make it hard to piss and I was standing there for like 5 minutes trying to piss and fell over. all sorts of crazy times.
Yup, I remember opiate piss... so fucking obnoxious... standing there holding yoru cock trying to piss and not faceplant into the wall behind the toilet... a couple times I had to sit down and I literally woke up like 45 minutes later...

Not shitting for a week at a time, and then shitting out a small child...


Opiates sides are horrible... worst of ANY popular drug IMHO.
Title: Re: Went from all this to just subutex and a little xanax
Post by: whitewidow on February 12, 2014, 02:09:12 AM
Yup, I remember opiate piss... so fucking obnoxious... standing there holding yoru cock trying to piss and not faceplant into the wall behind the toilet... a couple times I had to sit down and I literally woke up like 45 minutes later...

Not shitting for a week at a time, and then shitting out a small child...


Opiates sides are horrible... worst of ANY popular drug IMHO.

Yes man . fuck I thought I was the only one who couldn't piss for an hour and had to piss sitting down because I kept falling forward and catching myself on the wall. I have passed out trying to take a piss sitting down and woke up on the floor in the dirty clothes pile. Really bad times. I think I died a few times but always somehow woke up. when I first started taking the xanax and doing mix hits i would also pop 2mg bars and would get up to about 8mg of xanax in almost one dose or two really closely doses and I would pass out and wake up and not know what the fuck happened.

I didn't even know what the fuck time or day it was or what happened! The thing is I have made so much fucking money and have always had plenty of cash so I never felt like a real addict because I never had to steal for drugs and never missed any rent or bill payments and was still saving lots of cash.

It is all bad karma though . I got people who are really trying to distance myself from, even having the pills around.
Title: Re: Went from all this to just subutex and a little xanax
Post by: The Wizard of Truth on February 12, 2014, 03:26:41 AM
This stuff is scary, I can handle anything in life but not being in control of myself would be crazy!
I was prescribed 250mcg zanax last year to combat aggression and flipping but was too scared to take even one of them as I heard they are addictive
Title: Re: Went from all this to just subutex and a little xanax
Post by: whitewidow on February 12, 2014, 03:38:01 AM
This stuff is scary, I can handle anything in life but not being in control of myself would be crazy!
I was prescribed 250mcg zanax last year to combat aggression and flipping but was too scared to take even one of them as I heard they are addictive

I think you mean .25mg. I am currently taking 24 times that amount a day. 6mg a day is what I am allowed to take. It is the most addictive drug ever-IMO. very effective and some say a miracle drug. I have the same problems,anxiety,bad aggression and temper and xanax will def take the edge off of any temper issues. I makes you feel good and calm and works instantly.
Title: Re: Went from all this to just subutex and a little xanax
Post by: O.Z. on February 12, 2014, 03:56:15 AM
Some scary stuff, good luck man.
Title: Re: Went from all this to just subutex and a little xanax
Post by: bigmc on February 12, 2014, 03:56:51 AM
addiction sucks

good luck

stay strong  8)
Title: Re: Went from all this to just subutex and a little xanax
Post by: whitewidow on February 12, 2014, 04:02:43 AM
Thanks for everybodys support! It means alot to me. this is def a serious struggle but I don;t want to die while my parents are still alive, my mom would go vrazy (literally). My dad would take it ok but not my mom.
Title: Re: Went from all this to just subutex and a little xanax
Post by: gracie bjj on February 12, 2014, 04:37:47 AM
im not gonna lie and say i dont think about doing a nice big fat bag of dope, i think about it once in awhile during the day but then i think about how much i suffered  the thought leaves me quick. my life is much better off the opiates but that doesnt mean i dont still get the urge, its rough sometimes
Title: Re: Went from all this to just subutex and a little xanax
Post by: Ronnie Rep on February 12, 2014, 06:36:55 AM
I have been on some strong cocktails where I would pass out and not remember what happened. I broke my shower door because I was trying to come out of a haze and passed out in the shower and fell through the door. I have passed out waiting to take a piss,the meds make it hard to piss and I was standing there for like 5 minutes trying to piss and fell over. all sorts of crazy times.
Same thing used to happen to my brother on seroquel, he used to pass out! He was living in my condo and broke the towel rack trying to hold on while he was passing out! Hope you beat your addiction bro! I lived it with my brother!
Title: Re: Went from all this to just subutex and a little xanax
Post by: Irongrip400 on February 12, 2014, 06:41:02 AM
I see what you're doing, trying to sell your stash.
Title: Re: Went from all this to just subutex and a little xanax
Post by: whitewidow on February 12, 2014, 03:20:11 PM
I see what you're doing, trying to sell your stash.


No I have plenty of people in town who I could sell it to. Why would I go out of my way and ship it to people when I could just have somebody come over that I know personally buy it. I have gotten PM's asking if I wanted to sell some but I told all of them the same thing. why would i go out of my way when I could just sell it to people I know in town. I know alot of addicts so not hard to do plus this medication goes for top dollar where I live. I posted the bottles just so nobody thought I was bullshitting on what medications I was prescribed.
Title: Re: Went from all this to just subutex and a little xanax
Post by: whitewidow on February 13, 2014, 02:17:05 AM
im not gonna lie and say i dont think about doing a nice big fat bag of dope, i think about it once in awhile during the day but then i think about how much i suffered  the thought leaves me quick. my life is much better off the opiates but that doesnt mean i dont still get the urge, its rough sometimes

how long have you been clean? I hear people get urges for the rest of their lives. I have been hitting up NA so if I ever get that feeling I just hit up a NA meeting.
Title: Re: Went from all this to just subutex and a little xanax
Post by: gracie bjj on February 13, 2014, 08:42:09 AM
how long have you been clean? I hear people get urges for the rest of their lives. I have been hitting up NA so if I ever get that feeling I just hit up a NA meeting.

2 weeks now, im off the suboxone also. just weed n xanax, its not the same euphoria as doing some good dope but we gotta do what we gotta do to make r lives better, opiates were ruining me bigtime
Title: Re: Went from all this to just subutex and a little xanax
Post by: whitewidow on February 13, 2014, 03:44:44 PM
2 weeks now, im off the suboxone also. just weed n xanax, its not the same euphoria as doing some good dope but we gotta do what we gotta do to make r lives better, opiates were ruining me bigtime

did you taper off the suboxone? or just stop one day? I wish I could smoke weed but I have to take UA's . I used to smoke weed for years but I quit for awhile do to all the UA's I have had to take during this whole 6 years. The pain contracts I was on allowed no other rec drugs in my system otherwise I would lose the script. I smoked some one day right after I took a piss test a few years ago and it made me feel horrible. weed used to make me feel real good and euphoric now it just made me feel stuffed up and made my aches hurt worse. Not sure why! It is some of the best weed too, so def not a problem with quality 100% organic multiple strains to choose from.
Title: Re: Went from all this to just subutex and a little xanax
Post by: Benjamin_pearson on February 13, 2014, 03:47:28 PM
I was on oxycontin 80mg tabs,oxycodone instant release 30mg tablets, xanax 6 tabs a day,and sometimes I would shoot -up. Now I am just on subutex and just a little xanax. done with all the harsh opiates. This subutex is a great product. I did not believe in it till I tried it for a few days. The thing is it does take some poeple a few days and guys and girls will give up on them and relapse but they work just be patient. I thought there was nothing out there to help me that was super addictive and just as bad like say methadone but subutex is the answer!

Respect brother dope is killer
Title: Re: Went from all this to just subutex and a little xanax
Post by: Dr.J on February 13, 2014, 04:10:11 PM
Distance + time!!!

It can be done!
Title: Re: Went from all this to just subutex and a little xanax
Post by: whitewidow on February 13, 2014, 04:16:23 PM
Distance + time!!!

It can be done!

Thanks for the support brother.If he lived in Portland- DR.J would come over and kick my ass if he knew I had any oxys around-not kidding.
Title: Re: Went from all this to just subutex and a little xanax
Post by: Dr.J on February 13, 2014, 04:28:54 PM
I actually would....
Title: Re: Went from all this to just subutex and a little xanax
Post by: SwolenUp on September 25, 2014, 08:46:06 AM
2 weeks now, im off the suboxone also. just weed n xanax, its not the same euphoria as doing some good dope but we gotta do what we gotta do to make r lives better, opiates were ruining me bigtime

How is this going for you? Have you ever heard of or tried Kratom? A lot of ppl are using it to wean off the hard stuff as it contains opiate like properties but isn't as addictive.
Title: Re: Went from all this to just subutex and a little xanax
Post by: jephrius on September 25, 2014, 08:57:43 AM
I was on oxycontin 80mg tabs,oxycodone instant release 30mg tablets, xanax 6 tabs a day,and sometimes I would shoot -up. Now I am just on subutex and just a little xanax. done with all the harsh opiates. This subutex is a great product. I did not believe in it till I tried it for a few days. The thing is it does take some poeple a few days and guys and girls will give up on them and relapse but they work just be patient. I thought there was nothing out there to help me that was super addictive and just as bad like say methadone but subutex is the answer!
An addict or an alcoholic can't use any drugs. Period. You're either sober or you're not. If you're doing xanax you will be off and running again in no time. I've seen it hundreds of times.
Title: Re: Went from all this to just subutex and a little xanax
Post by: the trainer on September 25, 2014, 09:09:03 AM
I was on oxycontin 80mg tabs,oxycodone instant release 30mg tablets, xanax 6 tabs a day,and sometimes I would shoot -up. Now I am just on subutex and just a little xanax. done with all the harsh opiates. This subutex is a great product. I did not believe in it till I tried it for a few days. The thing is it does take some poeple a few days and guys and girls will give up on them and relapse but they work just be patient. I thought there was nothing out there to help me that was super addictive and just as bad like say methadone but subutex is the answer!

Jesus christ just say no to drugs look to the east  for solutions and regain your chi and be one with yourself.
Title: Re: Went from all this to just subutex and a little xanax
Post by: Alucard on September 25, 2014, 09:13:30 AM
Subutex is a great stuff, being on it since few years now...
An addict or an alcoholic can't use any drugs. Period. You're either sober or you're not. If you're doing xanax you will be off and running again in no time. I've seen it hundreds of times.
If i can give my humble experience, i'm on 5 milligrams of Subutex since few years after a one/one and half year problem with heroin long time ago... 5 mg of Subutex aren't shit, i never wanted to dope ever again, and i got off heroin by myself because i got tired of spending money for few minutes of paradise and days of hell... But yes, many are on classic drugs and those products in intervals, never able to go completely off, most of the time...
Title: Re: Went from all this to just subutex and a little xanax
Post by: oldtimer1 on September 25, 2014, 09:56:24 AM
Since the sport of bodybuilding is based on drug use a thread like this doesn't surprise me but instead I expect it. I'm on two other boards. One for running and the other for body weight only exercise. I have never once heard anything about any type of drug use on the other boards.
Title: Re: Went from all this to just subutex and a little xanax
Post by: gym**rat on September 25, 2014, 10:10:30 AM
My pain management doc put me on Kadian at the first of the year for my chronic back pain. 5 major surgeries already gone through. Kadian is considered a designer morphine and it has worked better than anything I have ever taken in the 30+ years of taking pain meds. Yes, my liver is pretty fucked but at least I can function day to day.  ;)
Title: Re: Went from all this to just subutex and a little xanax
Post by: no one on September 25, 2014, 11:42:55 AM


only on GB will you find a guy who freely admits to shooting up, and be perfectly matter-of-fact abt the whole thing.
Title: Re: Went from all this to just subutex and a little xanax
Post by: spiro on September 25, 2014, 11:52:42 AM
My pain management doc put me on Kadian at the first of the year for my chronic back pain. 5 major surgeries already gone through. Kadian is considered a designer morphine and it has worked better than anything I have ever taken in the 30+ years of taking pain meds. Yes, my liver is pretty fucked but at least I can function day to day.  ;)

damn kadian? I rember my junkie friends use to drool over that stuff.
Title: Re: Went from all this to just subutex and a little xanax
Post by: Var City on September 25, 2014, 12:17:34 PM
I quit a heroin addiction of two bundles a day with at least a couple grams of coke daily and a healthy amount of xanax along with more than a few Roxycodone through the day and adderall (ampjhetamine salt IR) and 2-3 packs of cigarettres daily

this is not a joke. there were two occasions where i woke up roughly 5 seconds (guessing) from having died in my sleep, gasping for breathe as if i were about to drown, and the dream--in the dream, I was aware i was about to die.

i was coughing up blood (from likely the cigarettes but i'm sure the alcohol mixed with the MASSIVE drug intake had something to do with it) and i only ate ice cream sandwiches for one month.

i didn't leave my gigantic loft duplex on park avenue in BROOKLYN (not park ave manhattan... very different) for ONE MONTH other than to: (1) go to work-- i was STILL managing to hold my job down in finance despite going days without proper sleep and being a total mess and incomprehensible drug addict (2) see this moldovan 10/10 i will say had become my girlfriend and she had TRIED to help me but she would also steal from me (money and shit like that) (3) go upstairs to fuck my neighbor on the 5th floor who was a total amphetamine addict but she was hot as hell and slightly dumb and from literally americano royalty status family (she had nno idea the depth of drug addiction i was in ).

so basically i weaned off the drugs slowly after spending so muh money many here won't comprehend

had a lot of relapses

kept my job somehow although they knew


whatever whatever... didn't go to rehab. had a seizure. the withdrawal process took literally 2 months and i took leave from work and wound up in a cabin in the northeast

today, years years years later, i will occasionally do a line of coke (like ... very infrequently.. let's say once every 2 months i'll buy a gram).

and i do no other drugs whatsoever. not even weed. i drink a lot though. so there's no shame to admitting it. drug addiction happens. and a lot of us die and a lot of us kick that shit. period. i got off healthy, and wiser because of my struggle. and i'm active in N/A to fuck random girls from it

Title: Re: Went from all this to just subutex and a little xanax
Post by: gym**rat on September 25, 2014, 12:38:48 PM
damn kadian? I rember my junkie friends use to drool over that stuff.

Really? It is a fairly new drug from what I was told. There is no generic. It is also a time release which people that use pain meds for a buzz go for instant release. I am always in pretty severe pain which is why I do not get the slightest buzz from them. 50mg 2x a day.
Title: Re: Went from all this to just subutex and a little xanax
Post by: spiro on September 25, 2014, 12:48:21 PM
Really? It is a fairly new drug from what I was told. There is no generic. It is also a time release which people that use pain meds for a buzz go for instant release. I am always in pretty severe pain which is why I do not get the slightest buzz from them. 50mg 2x a day.

They open up the capsule and crush the breeds inside. It then becomes instant realase.
Title: Re: Went from all this to just subutex and a little xanax
Post by: Alucard on September 25, 2014, 12:48:48 PM
I quit a heroin addiction of two bundles a day with at least a couple grams of coke daily and a healthy amount of xanax along with more than a few Roxycodone through the day and adderall (ampjhetamine salt IR) and 2-3 packs of cigarettres daily

this is not a joke. there were two occasions where i woke up roughly 5 seconds (guessing) from having died in my sleep, gasping for breathe as if i were about to drown, and the dream--in the dream, I was aware i was about to die.

i was coughing up blood (from likely the cigarettes but i'm sure the alcohol mixed with the MASSIVE drug intake had something to do with it) and i only ate ice cream sandwiches for one month.

i didn't leave my gigantic loft duplex on park avenue in BROOKLYN (not park ave manhattan... very different) for ONE MONTH other than to: (1) go to work-- i was STILL managing to hold my job down in finance despite going days without proper sleep and being a total mess and incomprehensible drug addict (2) see this moldovan 10/10 i will say had become my girlfriend and she had TRIED to help me but she would also steal from me (money and shit like that) (3) go upstairs to fuck my neighbor on the 5th floor who was a total amphetamine addict but she was hot as hell and slightly dumb and from literally americano royalty status family (she had nno idea the depth of drug addiction i was in ).

so basically i weaned off the drugs slowly after spending so muh money many here won't comprehend

had a lot of relapses

kept my job somehow although they knew


whatever whatever... didn't go to rehab. had a seizure. the withdrawal process took literally 2 months and i took leave from work and wound up in a cabin in the northeast

today, years years years later, i will occasionally do a line of coke (like ... very infrequently.. let's say once every 2 months i'll buy a gram).

and i do no other drugs whatsoever. not even weed. i drink a lot though. so there's no shame to admitting it. drug addiction happens. and a lot of us die and a lot of us kick that shit. period. i got off healthy, and wiser because of my struggle. and i'm active in N/A to fuck random girls from it


Looking back at it, all in all i consider my drug addiction a very useful experience... I was never a train wreck, did coke, ecstasy, acids, heroin only smoked for few years, being off for about 8 years now... Never liked weed or hashish, hated the effect of being very hungry and plodding around, never ever did crack or other similar destroying drugs...
Title: Re: Went from all this to just subutex and a little xanax
Post by: RagingBull on September 25, 2014, 12:54:01 PM
Good luck!  Wishing you the best!
Title: Re: Went from all this to just subutex and a little xanax
Post by: gym**rat on September 25, 2014, 01:17:11 PM
They open up the capsule and crush the breeds inside. It then becomes instant realase.

Damn, I will try that tonight!!  ;D  Thanks!
Title: Re: Went from all this to just subutex and a little xanax
Post by: Primemuscle on September 25, 2014, 09:54:42 PM
I quit a heroin addiction of two bundles a day with at least a couple grams of coke daily and a healthy amount of xanax along with more than a few Roxycodone through the day and adderall (ampjhetamine salt IR) and 2-3 packs of cigarettres daily

this is not a joke. there were two occasions where i woke up roughly 5 seconds (guessing) from having died in my sleep, gasping for breathe as if i were about to drown, and the dream--in the dream, I was aware i was about to die.

i was coughing up blood (from likely the cigarettes but i'm sure the alcohol mixed with the MASSIVE drug intake had something to do with it) and i only ate ice cream sandwiches for one month.

i didn't leave my gigantic loft duplex on park avenue in BROOKLYN (not park ave manhattan... very different) for ONE MONTH other than to: (1) go to work-- i was STILL managing to hold my job down in finance despite going days without proper sleep and being a total mess and incomprehensible drug addict (2) see this moldovan 10/10 i will say had become my girlfriend and she had TRIED to help me but she would also steal from me (money and shit like that) (3) go upstairs to fuck my neighbor on the 5th floor who was a total amphetamine addict but she was hot as hell and slightly dumb and from literally americano royalty status family (she had nno idea the depth of drug addiction i was in ).

so basically i weaned off the drugs slowly after spending so muh money many here won't comprehend

had a lot of relapses

kept my job somehow although they knew


whatever whatever... didn't go to rehab. had a seizure. the withdrawal process took literally 2 months and i took leave from work and wound up in a cabin in the northeast

today, years years years later, i will occasionally do a line of coke (like ... very infrequently.. let's say once every 2 months i'll buy a gram).

and i do no other drugs whatsoever. not even weed. i drink a lot though. so there's no shame to admitting it. drug addiction happens. and a lot of us die and a lot of us kick that shit. period. i got off healthy, and wiser because of my struggle. and i'm active in N/A to fuck random girls from it



Seems like you have put your body through hell. Glad to read that you are doing better, but you might be playing with fire still since you aren't really drug free....alcohol and coke being drugs. Maybe someday, you will give those up too.
Title: Re: Went from all this to just subutex and a little xanax
Post by: whitewidow on September 26, 2014, 03:11:42 AM
I quit a heroin addiction of two bundles a day with at least a couple grams of coke daily and a healthy amount of xanax along with more than a few Roxycodone through the day and adderall (ampjhetamine salt IR) and 2-3 packs of cigarettres daily

this is not a joke. there were two occasions where i woke up roughly 5 seconds (guessing) from having died in my sleep, gasping for breathe as if i were about to drown, and the dream--in the dream, I was aware i was about to die.

i was coughing up blood (from likely the cigarettes but i'm sure the alcohol mixed with the MASSIVE drug intake had something to do with it) and i only ate ice cream sandwiches for one month.

i didn't leave my gigantic loft duplex on park avenue in BROOKLYN (not park ave manhattan... very different) for ONE MONTH other than to: (1) go to work-- i was STILL managing to hold my job down in finance despite going days without proper sleep and being a total mess and incomprehensible drug addict (2) see this moldovan 10/10 i will say had become my girlfriend and she had TRIED to help me but she would also steal from me (money and shit like that) (3) go upstairs to fuck my neighbor on the 5th floor who was a total amphetamine addict but she was hot as hell and slightly dumb and from literally americano royalty status family (she had nno idea the depth of drug addiction i was in ).

so basically i weaned off the drugs slowly after spending so muh money many here won't comprehend

had a lot of relapses

kept my job somehow although they knew


whatever whatever... didn't go to rehab. had a seizure. the withdrawal process took literally 2 months and i took leave from work and wound up in a cabin in the northeast

today, years years years later, i will occasionally do a line of coke (like ... very infrequently.. let's say once every 2 months i'll buy a gram).

and i do no other drugs whatsoever. not even weed. i drink a lot though. so there's no shame to admitting it. drug addiction happens. and a lot of us die and a lot of us kick that shit. period. i got off healthy, and wiser because of my struggle. and i'm active in N/A to fuck random girls from it



Ive been there myself. I never speedballed but it would be normal for me to put on 2x 100mg fentnyl patches,still snort oxycontin back when it was abusable,smoke oxycontin,take a shitload of xanax.some days I would shoot heroin and snort and smoke oxycontin and take xanax pretty much as low as anybody could get but i was making loot! I never payed for any of my drugs i got most of them prescribed except the heroin and i would get crazy amounts,(my street value of prescription drugs was over 10,000$ sometimes way more(lets's just say I never had to steal anything from family or friends, I would pay my rent all my bills use alot of drugs but still would put away 10k-15K some months..

The only thing iIhad to buy was heroin and it is cheap where i live we just get mexican black tar and an ounce is cheap for heroin however it's purity is at most 25-30%.  several times I have passed out even just standing there waiting to take a piss. Ive fallen through the shower door before when I would try to take a shower to come out of a nodding phase. I have almost died on sveral occasions but with the help with subutex and yes i still take xanax I am in a way better situation then I was.
Title: Re: Went from all this to just subutex and a little xanax
Post by: Cleanest Natural on September 26, 2014, 03:17:00 AM
I quit a heroin addiction of two bundles a day with at least a couple grams of coke daily and a healthy amount of xanax along with more than a few Roxycodone through the day and adderall (ampjhetamine salt IR) and 2-3 packs of cigarettres daily

this is not a joke. there were two occasions where i woke up roughly 5 seconds (guessing) from having died in my sleep, gasping for breathe as if i were about to drown, and the dream--in the dream, I was aware i was about to die.

i was coughing up blood (from likely the cigarettes but i'm sure the alcohol mixed with the MASSIVE drug intake had something to do with it) and i only ate ice cream sandwiches for one month.

i didn't leave my gigantic loft duplex on park avenue in BROOKLYN (not park ave manhattan... very different) for ONE MONTH other than to: (1) go to work-- i was STILL managing to hold my job down in finance despite going days without proper sleep and being a total mess and incomprehensible drug addict (2) see this moldovan 10/10 i will say had become my girlfriend and she had TRIED to help me but she would also steal from me (money and shit like that) (3) go upstairs to fuck my neighbor on the 5th floor who was a total amphetamine addict but she was hot as hell and slightly dumb and from literally americano royalty status family (she had nno idea the depth of drug addiction i was in ).

so basically i weaned off the drugs slowly after spending so muh money many here won't comprehend

had a lot of relapses

kept my job somehow although they knew


whatever whatever... didn't go to rehab. had a seizure. the withdrawal process took literally 2 months and i took leave from work and wound up in a cabin in the northeast

today, years years years later, i will occasionally do a line of coke (like ... very infrequently.. let's say once every 2 months i'll buy a gram).

and i do no other drugs whatsoever. not even weed. i drink a lot though. so there's no shame to admitting it. drug addiction happens. and a lot of us die and a lot of us kick that shit. period. i got off healthy, and wiser because of my struggle. and i'm active in N/A to fuck random girls from it


this comes as a total surprise!
Title: Re: Went from all this to just subutex and a little xanax
Post by: whitewidow on September 26, 2014, 03:18:32 AM
An addict or an alcoholic can't use any drugs. Period. You're either sober or you're not. If you're doing xanax you will be off and running again in no time. I've seen it hundreds of times.

bro you might be somewhat right but there is no coming off of xanax! you can taper down but quiting xanax is very dangerous. All I can say is using subutex rather then heroin or oxycodone 30mg tabs 9 tabs a day is alot better. so basically I went from a shitload of dangerous drugs in crazy amounts to just 4-8mg of subutex daily and 4-6mg of xanax daily.
no of course I am not 100% sober and I probably will never be but I can promise you i won't be using heroin ever again or methadone.

I will probably need subutex for a little while and probably won't ever get off xanax I still ocassionally use roxy 30's but believe me I was pretty close to dying so i will take the progress I made and be very proud of it.

You have to realize you just can;t stop using xanax and when your using potent opiates your going to need subutex or suboxone for a little while if you don;t do that you will definately 100% relapse but with subutex and suboxone you have a chance and life on them is not bad. So many people use subutex or suboxone and you would have no clue.
Title: Re: Went from all this to just subutex and a little xanax
Post by: gracie bjj on September 26, 2014, 03:33:59 AM
I starting using herion about 13 months ago, tried to tell myself it was for my sciatic nerve that left me sleepless and in sever pain, I never shot it but snorted it like cocaine. I started suboxone 2 months ago or so and been ok but had a backslide 3 weeks ago with some heroin,just did it one night and that was it,but I went to a guy I know who sells methadone real cheap and bought a bunch of wafers and been ok since,i take enough to kill the heroin cravings but not enough to walk around like a zombie.i take Xanax also,1mg a day,i break each football into 4 pieces(.25) and I take that spread out thru out the day,that comes out to 1mg.  I was drug free from 92 till 2007 and fucked up again then,im ok again and that's all that counts.reason I was doing heroin a lot also was id go to Camden,nj and these huge dimes and sell them in Delaware for 25$ bags and these idiots where buying tons of em, basically meaning id get all mine for free and still made money off the deal,just say I went and picked up some guy 30 bags, id give the dealer 270$ cause he always cut me a deal when I spent that kind of money,then id buy another 10bgs for me so that was 370$ total. id walk away with 380 profit plus my stash. its a shady way to make money and im glad im away from it all and just working everyday
Title: Re: Went from all this to just subutex and a little xanax
Post by: Primemuscle on September 26, 2014, 01:13:08 PM
Wow, you guys have been through a lot. I wish you success in your efforts to get and stay clean.

About two weeks ago, I decided with some prodding from my family to stop drinking scotch. Actually for now, I am not drinking any alcoholic beverages, just to insure I don't backslide. My problem is that if I buy a fifth of scotch, I will drink 1/2 to 3/4 of it over the course of an evening. I don't get drunk and I don't have hang overs (which is actually not helpful when wanting to quit).

The alcohol was adversely affecting my heart by raising my blood pressure and pulse. As it turns out the alcohol may have been aggravating the numbness I have in my right foot from sciatica because it has gotten noticeably better since I quit drinking.

Mentally, I'd often be depressed the next day. I was also feeling a lot of anxiety which the alcohol seemed to calm down. My doctor has prescribed Venlafaxine for the anxiety, which is helping. I have been taking a low dose of Trazodone (25 mg) to insure I mostly sleep through the night. Without it, I wake up every hour.

I hate the idea of taking meds for anything, much less to keep me functioning relatively normally. Whenever I've had surgeries, put my back out or otherwise had pain and my doctor prescribed pain meds, I avoided taking them, much to his chagrin. I hate not being in control and pain meds definitely make me feel out of control.

I realize now that alcohol was causing me to not be in total control of my actions. I would often say things that I normally would not say to people when sober. Like my daughter told me, I am a totally different person when I am sober. Hopefully, I am a better person when not drinking.
Title: Re: Went from all this to just subutex and a little xanax
Post by: _bruce_ on September 26, 2014, 02:30:26 PM
Interesting stories - glad I never succumbed to the substances mentioned. My best friend was a junky and has been on methadone for around 14+ years and I had ample chance to judge for myself if such a thing is worth it.
I really like Cannabis but this is of course not a drug to be dependent on unless you're very weak.
If I had unlimited funds I would be strongly eyeballing a coke/heroin feel good therapy but I guess I wouldn't survive it.

Good luck to all.
Title: Re: Went from all this to just subutex and a little xanax
Post by: gracie bjj on September 26, 2014, 05:41:07 PM
I quit a heroin addiction of two bundles a day with at least a couple grams of coke daily and a healthy amount of xanax along with more than a few Roxycodone through the day and adderall (ampjhetamine salt IR) and 2-3 packs of cigarettres daily

this is not a joke. there were two occasions where i woke up roughly 5 seconds (guessing) from having died in my sleep, gasping for breathe as if i were about to drown, and the dream--in the dream, I was aware i was about to die.

i was coughing up blood (from likely the cigarettes but i'm sure the alcohol mixed with the MASSIVE drug intake had something to do with it) and i only ate ice cream sandwiches for one month.

i didn't leave my gigantic loft duplex on park avenue in BROOKLYN (not park ave manhattan... very different) for ONE MONTH other than to: (1) go to work-- i was STILL managing to hold my job down in finance despite going days without proper sleep and being a total mess and incomprehensible drug addict (2) see this moldovan 10/10 i will say had become my girlfriend and she had TRIED to help me but she would also steal from me (money and shit like that) (3) go upstairs to fuck my neighbor on the 5th floor who was a total amphetamine addict but she was hot as hell and slightly dumb and from literally americano royalty status family (she had nno idea the depth of drug addiction i was in ).

so basically i weaned off the drugs slowly after spending so muh money many here won't comprehend

had a lot of relapses

kept my job somehow although they knew


whatever whatever... didn't go to rehab. had a seizure. the withdrawal process took literally 2 months and i took leave from work and wound up in a cabin in the northeast

today, years years years later, i will occasionally do a line of coke (like ... very infrequently.. let's say once every 2 months i'll buy a gram).

and i do no other drugs whatsoever. not even weed. i drink a lot though. so there's no shame to admitting it. drug addiction happens. and a lot of us die and a lot of us kick that shit. period. i got off healthy, and wiser because of my struggle. and i'm active in N/A to fuck random girls from it



wow the part where u said u woke up gasping for air sounds like what happened to me afew times,i remember I was drowning in my dream and I woke up,actually jumped up trying to suck in air as hard as possible cause I couldn't breath,it was scariest fucking feeling ive ever had to this point in my life. when I was using the heroin I was taking Xanax and drinking also,my respitory system got slow as fuch at times. im glad im ok lately but everything could turn into a nightmare again in a blink of an eye of u aint careful people,trust me.
Title: Re: Went from all this to just subutex and a little xanax
Post by: Lustral on September 26, 2014, 05:56:47 PM
Honestly man, from my heart, well done. Overcoming addiction is so hard. Those who have never experienced it can't imagine it. Cut all contacts if you can with those who supplied and try get 100% clean (I'm using alcohol too much to cover old problems).

PM me if ever have issues.
Title: Re: Went from all this to just subutex and a little xanax
Post by: Quickerblade on September 26, 2014, 06:56:18 PM
Whitewidow is a top Getbigger, today I send all my good energy his way.
Those Benzo's are fucken brutal.
Title: Re: Went from all this to just subutex and a little xanax
Post by: Zillotch on September 26, 2014, 07:47:29 PM
there is no coming off of xanax!

Why? Not a lot of fun, but it can be done.
Title: Re: Went from all this to just subutex and a little xanax
Post by: Master Blaster on September 26, 2014, 10:28:17 PM
some great stories...
Title: Re: Went from all this to just subutex and a little xanax
Post by: Kim Jong Bob on September 26, 2014, 11:31:52 PM
Subutex is great when yoi want to quit opiates...my doctor msde me a tramadol junkie cayse my back and neck is hurting all the time..after 8 months on that i quit cold turkey and got subutex for the first 2 weekd...worked like a charm
Title: Re: Went from all this to just subutex and a little xanax
Post by: Mike on September 27, 2014, 01:01:52 AM
I quit a heroin addiction of two bundles a day with at least a couple grams of coke daily and a healthy amount of xanax along with more than a few Roxycodone through the day and adderall (ampjhetamine salt IR) and 2-3 packs of cigarettres daily

this is not a joke. there were two occasions where i woke up roughly 5 seconds (guessing) from having died in my sleep, gasping for breathe as if i were about to drown, and the dream--in the dream, I was aware i was about to die.

i was coughing up blood (from likely the cigarettes but i'm sure the alcohol mixed with the MASSIVE drug intake had something to do with it) and i only ate ice cream sandwiches for one month.

quote]

I had a similar experience, got on suboxone a few years back, quite recreational drinking and any other drugs and it saved my fucking life!  $320 worth of Oxys/Roxi's EOD up my nose...that's an expensive habit to break!

I'm actually wrestling with the idea of HRT, even doctor prescribed, since it will just lead me to more steroids/test in the pursuit of my addictions.

For me, it's abstinence from everything (coffee and skoal aside).

My hat is off to all GB recovering addicts/alcoholics.

And if you think you may have a problem I'm sure many of the people with experience on this forum would be happy to help. 

This is literally the only thing I take serious these days.  My wife's a girl and my newborn daughters turning into a real bitch!   Carry on
Title: Re: Went from all this to just subutex and a little xanax
Post by: gracie bjj on September 27, 2014, 02:45:49 AM
Why? Not a lot of fun, but it can be done.

absolutely,ive done it afew times when I had to start a new job and had to take piss test,i cycled it down each week lower and lower till I was done,its good to take a barbiturate while u r doing it just incase to prevent seizures,my doc told me since im only doing 1mg a day I shouldn't have a seizure tho,he said people using 6 to 9 mgs a day have to b careful
Title: Re: Went from all this to just subutex and a little xanax
Post by: whitewidow on September 27, 2014, 06:06:59 AM
Why? Not a lot of fun, but it can be done.
not when your taking 6mg a day for 7 years no way in hell that can be done. You can taper down or switch to say valium or klonopin at a lower dose but no way you could just get off benzos after that high of a daily dosage and live a normal life it really fucks up how your brain works once you have been on it for that long. It would be too dangerous. now tapering down is def possible but quiting for good no way!anybody who says they have taken xanax for 7 years at 6 mg daily and got off of them and isn;t using any other benzos is lying or taking some other kind of medication. not possible. 99% of people could not do that maybe there is that 1% but I even doubt that.
Title: Re: Went from all this to just subutex and a little xanax
Post by: Zillotch on September 27, 2014, 11:52:54 AM
not when your taking 6mg a day for 7 years no way in hell that can be done. You can taper down or switch to say valium or klonopin at a lower dose but no way you could just get off benzos after that high of a daily dosage and live a normal life it really fucks up how your brain works once you have been on it for that long. It would be too dangerous. now tapering down is def possible but quiting for good no way!anybody who says they have taken xanax for 7 years at 6 mg daily and got off of them and isn;t using any other benzos is lying or taking some other kind of medication. not possible. 99% of people could not do that maybe there is that 1% but I even doubt that.

Eh, just quit. Your body will revert back to normal eventually. Most people are weak-willed, and simply cant handle feeling like shit for an extended period of time.
Title: Re: Went from all this to just subutex and a little xanax
Post by: Primemuscle on September 27, 2014, 11:55:49 AM
Eh, just quit. Your body will revert back to normal eventually. Most people are weak-willed, and simply cant handle feeling like shit for an extended period of time.

Is this a medical opinion?

From what I know, based on my mom's addiction to opiates, one must be weaned off them slowly or they can die.
Title: Re: Went from all this to just subutex and a little xanax
Post by: Zillotch on September 27, 2014, 12:09:54 PM

one must be weaned off


To a point, and then jump to another med for a period of time, and possibly one more. The brunt of initial withdrawal can be eliminated. After that, you have to suck it up.
Title: Re: Went from all this to just subutex and a little xanax
Post by: Primemuscle on September 27, 2014, 12:17:13 PM
To a point, and then jump to another med for a period of time, and possibly one more. The brunt of initial withdrawal can be eliminated. After that, you have to suck it up.

I am glad I will never personally have to deal with this. I hate taking mood altering drugs, especially opiates.
Title: Re: Went from all this to just subutex and a little xanax
Post by: nasum on September 27, 2014, 12:30:07 PM
Are we all ex drug addicts here or something?

I was addicted to designer amphetamines for a while (mainly mdpv; which is now illegal). I also flirted with opioid, mdma and cocaine abuse. It was only about a year were I was really fucked up. Eventually I jumped off a roof (twice) in the fit of an amphetamine psychosis and smashed up my neighbour's fence. I was also arrested for breaking into a local pc store in the middle of the afternoon.

After jumping off the roof and being unable to walk from landing on a concrete patio and severely fucking up my right ankle, i decided to call it quits. Whatever potential benefit I thought I could glean from indulging in psychoactive substances wasn't worth hobbling around for 2 months.
Title: Re: Went from all this to just subutex and a little xanax
Post by: Primemuscle on September 27, 2014, 01:14:50 PM
Are we all ex drug addicts here or something?

I was addicted to designer amphetamines for a while (mainly mdpv; which is now illegal). I also flirted with opioid, mdma and cocaine abuse. It was only about a year were I was really fucked up. Eventually I jumped off a roof (twice) in the fit of an amphetamine psychosis and smashed up my neighbour's fence. I was also arrested for breaking into a local pc store in the middle of the afternoon.

After jumping off the roof and being unable to walk from landing on a concrete patio and severely fucking up my right ankle, i decided to call it quits. Whatever potential benefit I thought I could glean from indulging in psychoactive substances wasn't worth hobbling around for 2 months.

Many people experiment with drugs when they are young and feel invincible. They don't believe the propaganda/warnings that drugs will harm you. Some folks are luckier than others when it comes to taking drugs and getting hooked.

When I was in my twenties, I had one LSD trip. It was a great experience, which I felt no desire to repeat. I smoked dope three times. The first two times I tried it, nothing happened. The third time I became exceptionally paranoid. That didn't feel good. I never smoked another joint. Although I've been offered coke a few times, I've always turned it down. I've been mildly curious about Ecstasy, but have not tried that either. Fortunately, I have a high pain threshold. Even following surgeries, I've avoided needing pain meds. Although I am a creature of habit, I don't have an addictive personality.
Title: Re: Went from all this to just subutex and a little xanax
Post by: _bruce_ on September 27, 2014, 01:28:05 PM
Many people experiment with drugs when they are young and feel invincible. They don't believe the propaganda/warnings that drugs will harm you. Some folks are luckier than others when it comes to taking drugs and getting hooked.

When I was in my twenties, I had one LSD trip. It was a great experience, which I felt no desire to repeat. I smoked dope three times. The first two times I tried it, nothing happened. The third time I became exceptionally paranoid. That didn't feel good. I never smoked another joint. Although I've been offered coke a few times, I've always turned it down. I've been mildly curious about Ecstasy, but have not tried that either. Fortunately, I have a high pain threshold. Even following surgeries, I've avoided needing pain meds. Although I am a creature of habit, I don't have an addictive personality.

The paranoia is normal and happens from time to time - you can see it as a rite of passage that takes around 15 minutes. I see it as some kind of cleansing.
Title: Re: Went from all this to just subutex and a little xanax
Post by: Primemuscle on September 27, 2014, 01:30:44 PM
The paranoia is normal and happens from time to time - you can see it as a rite of passage that takes around 15 minutes. I see it as some kind of cleansing.

I saw it as a downer. I'm not into having negative feelings.
Title: Re: Went from all this to just subutex and a little xanax
Post by: The Wizard of Truth on September 27, 2014, 02:05:02 PM
And i was afraid to take a .25mg zanax
Title: Re: Went from all this to just subutex and a little xanax
Post by: Lustral on September 27, 2014, 02:16:33 PM
I have to be up at 6am next week for work. Been awake til 4 or 5am recently shitting a brick as to how I will sleep, person I know with sleeping tabs on holiday. Prob looking at three hours sleep and caffeine and modafinil to get through days. Fun times.
Title: Re: Went from all this to just subutex and a little xanax
Post by: Obvious Gimmick on September 27, 2014, 05:24:44 PM
Booze was my thing but to shake the shakes, I'd pop 2 mg of Xanax and it was quite nice.  :)
Title: Re: Went from all this to just subutex and a little xanax
Post by: Lustral on September 27, 2014, 05:30:27 PM
Booze was my thing but to shake the shakes, I'd pop 2 mg of Xanax and it was quite nice.  :)

Alcohol is everybody's fall back. Otherwise it is a dealer on the street or a doctor giving the drugs.
Title: Re: Went from all this to just subutex and a little xanax
Post by: Hulkotron on September 27, 2014, 05:50:07 PM
Just took a nice shit
Title: Re: Went from all this to just subutex and a little xanax
Post by: whitewidow on September 28, 2014, 05:21:02 AM
Eh, just quit. Your body will revert back to normal eventually. Most people are weak-willed, and simply cant handle feeling like shit for an extended period of time.

bullshit you just can't quit you would have to taper off for years! Then the doctors would tell you it wouldn;t be safe to just quit after that many years of use they might switch you to something like valium but it's still a benzo and addictive. I'm not weak willed i did try to quit when i wasn;t so deep into it and it was horribble even after 6 weeks clean I still felt like shit because I didn't taper off right. Opiates and benzos you def have to taper off otherwise you will just relapse or cross addict to another drug.
Title: Re: Went from all this to just subutex and a little xanax
Post by: Alucard on September 28, 2014, 07:58:19 AM
Eh, just quit. Your body will revert back to normal eventually. Most people are weak-willed, and simply cant handle feeling like shit for an extended period of time.
That "feeling like shit" is the worst, absolute worst feeling in the world, it's hell on earth... In my opinion no one can go through that by himself/herself unless forced in a bunker without going out for days, weeks or months...
Title: Re: Went from all this to just subutex and a little xanax
Post by: Elvis_McCartney on September 28, 2014, 08:47:12 AM
bullshit you just can't quit you would have to taper off for years! Then the doctors would tell you it wouldn;t be safe to just quit after that many years of use they might switch you to something like valium but it's still a benzo and addictive. I'm not weak willed i did try to quit when i wasn;t so deep into it and it was horribble even after 6 weeks clean I still felt like shit because I didn't taper off right. Opiates and benzos you def have to taper off otherwise you will just relapse or cross addict to another drug.

Absolutely right.....

Someone could just STOP taking opiates though.  Wouldn't recommend it but it wouldn't kill them.
 
But you should NEVER try that with Benzo's.  You could actually die from doing something that stupid.  You can have seizures or worse.  Only way to come off of benzo's especially if your body is dependent on them is taper off slowly.
Title: Re: Went from all this to just subutex and a little xanax
Post by: _bruce_ on September 28, 2014, 08:55:08 AM
I saw it as a downer. I'm not into having negative feelings.

Understandable, but cannabis is more of a truth drug than a feel good medicine.
Title: Re: Went from all this to just subutex and a little xanax
Post by: Var City on September 28, 2014, 12:29:29 PM
Seems like you have put your body through hell. Glad to read that you are doing better, but you might be playing with fire still since you aren't really drug free....alcohol and coke being drugs. Maybe someday, you will give those up too.

I agree, Prime. However, there is absolutely no chance in Hell that I will ever use Heroin again. Truly. It's kind of like a horrible food allergy. Not to make the worst and most P.C. analogy ever here, but it is kind of like a food allergy. Let's say you eat scallops as a kid (this is a personal story) and you end up liking the taste and the unique texture but then you get violently ill.

Well to this day I can't eat scallops without vomiting.

The depths that heroin pushed me to in life, the amount of times that I woke up covered in my own vomit or blood- the MONTH straight where I ate only ice cream sandwiches and spoke to nobody and drove a porsche around aimlessly nodding off because i was trying to die but too much of a coward to take my own life- I NEVER can go back to that.

After I got clean, the mere THOUGHT of the... scent... of doing a line of heroin--the all engrossing, chemical smell and subsequent blanket wrap of warm euphoria and the dreams and peace and darnkess then you wake up in withdrawal covered in vomit--is something I can't deal with.

And I agree that I shouldn't use cocaine. But I sometimes do when I drink. That's really it for me now. I have to avoid pain killers for the most part because they obviously remind me of heroin.

And before anyone gets a misconception of what a Junkie is, trust me that you would not even know that I was a junkie and I was one of the most severe cases I have ever seen including many who have died from this.

Somehow I willed myself out of it. And I was always using heroin to cover up the fact that I am a diagnosed sociopath or whatever and you can google this much: opiates of sociopaths go hand in hand because they make you feel. Opiates let me cry. Fake tears. But cry nonetheless. That had never happened. They manufacture synthetic love. Ideas become facts. Then facts become obcessions. The key is to dig deep and find yourself through the draw. And I do know this: for anyone who is struggling with addiction, you CAN beat it on your own, because I beat a heroin-cocaine-amphetamine-benzodiazapene-alcohol-barbituate (fiorinal)-oxycodone (all at ONCE addicted to ALL) addiction over the course of 3 months or something.

They key is though, you can't do anything for that 3 months. I had worked enough to have that luxury. And detoxing by myself was hell. Truly, indescribable. I would wake up in such severe panic (waking up in the midst of panic attacks) SCREAMING at the top of my lungs, crawling through the house for a knife to kill myself because voices were telling me to kill myself. I would usually wake up from these panic attacks. But one lasted a legitimite couple days once and I taped myself to a chair because I realized I was going to slit my throat (yeah.. that was the plan. I did the whole wrist thing but cut the wrong way not knowing and it takes too long to bleed out,. then i woke up from the panic attack and put vodka on the wounds and taped them. so i decided the next time i was going for my throat. and that's why i ended up taping myself to my chair. which was very very hard to get out of. and i pissed myself and shit myself but i got CLEANER in the 2 days on that chair. i could trust myself when i finally gnawed my way out of the gorilla tape because i was sitting in my own shit and vomit and piss).
Title: Re: Went from all this to just subutex and a little xanax
Post by: Primemuscle on September 28, 2014, 01:57:53 PM
I agree, Prime. However, there is absolutely no chance in Hell that I will ever use Heroin again. Truly. It's kind of like a horrible food allergy. Not to make the worst and most P.C. analogy ever here, but it is kind of like a food allergy. Let's say you eat scallops as a kid (this is a personal story) and you end up liking the taste and the unique texture but then you get violently ill.

Well to this day I can't eat scallops without vomiting.

The depths that heroin pushed me to in life, the amount of times that I woke up covered in my own vomit or blood- the MONTH straight where I ate only ice cream sandwiches and spoke to nobody and drove a porsche around aimlessly nodding off because i was trying to die but too much of a coward to take my own life- I NEVER can go back to that.

After I got clean, the mere THOUGHT of the... scent... of doing a line of heroin--the all engrossing, chemical smell and subsequent blanket wrap of warm euphoria and the dreams and peace and darnkess then you wake up in withdrawal covered in vomit--is something I can't deal with.

And I agree that I shouldn't use cocaine. But I sometimes do when I drink. That's really it for me now. I have to avoid pain killers for the most part because they obviously remind me of heroin.

And before anyone gets a misconception of what a Junkie is, trust me that you would not even know that I was a junkie and I was one of the most severe cases I have ever seen including many who have died from this.

Somehow I willed myself out of it. And I was always using heroin to cover up the fact that I am a diagnosed sociopath or whatever and you can google this much: opiates of sociopaths go hand in hand because they make you feel. Opiates let me cry. Fake tears. But cry nonetheless. That had never happened. They manufacture synthetic love. Ideas become facts. Then facts become obcessions. The key is to dig deep and find yourself through the draw. And I do know this: for anyone who is struggling with addiction, you CAN beat it on your own, because I beat a heroin-cocaine-amphetamine-benzodiazapene-alcohol-barbituate (fiorinal)-oxycodone (all at ONCE addicted to ALL) addiction over the course of 3 months or something.

They key is though, you can't do anything for that 3 months. I had worked enough to have that luxury. And detoxing by myself was hell. Truly, indescribable. I would wake up in such severe panic (waking up in the midst of panic attacks) SCREAMING at the top of my lungs, crawling through the house for a knife to kill myself because voices were telling me to kill myself. I would usually wake up from these panic attacks. But one lasted a legitimite couple days once and I taped myself to a chair because I realized I was going to slit my throat (yeah.. that was the plan. I did the whole wrist thing but cut the wrong way not knowing and it takes too long to bleed out,. then i woke up from the panic attack and put vodka on the wounds and taped them. so i decided the next time i was going for my throat. and that's why i ended up taping myself to my chair. which was very very hard to get out of. and i pissed myself and shit myself but i got CLEANER in the 2 days on that chair. i could trust myself when i finally gnawed my way out of the gorilla tape because i was sitting in my own shit and vomit and piss).

Clearly you have been through hell and back. It seems that every detail of that horrendous experience is etched in you memory. Never lose this memory, it is part of what is keeping you heroin free, the rest is your incredible will power and the desire to live. If you had really wanted to kill yourself, you probably would have succeeded. Something deep inside of you didn't want this.

I cannot imagine the pain you suffered. I feel very fortunate after reading your story that this never happened to me. My mom was an alcoholic and later abused opiates. I grew up living with the impact of this and had it set in my mind that I wanted a different life for myself. My childhood experiences with my mother were crazy. She was great fun when she was sober and she was a maniac when she was drunk. My father was also an alcoholic. I only briefly lived with him and his life was messed up also. Fortunately, my stepdad was completely sober and sane (except that he put up with my mom).

A lot of people with childhood experiences like mine, repeat the behaviors they learned from their parents. I chose to rebel, instead using my stepdad as my role model. I've been mostly successful, only occasionally slipping into self-destructive behaviors. I have periodically suffered depression and anxiety as an adult. Unfortunately, somewhere along the line, I started self medicating with alcohol. Thanks to my concerned family, I have stopped drinking recently. I feel much better already.

Unlike you, I have not been diagnosed with sociopathic behavior. There was a long period of time in my life when I was numb or cut off from my emotions. Like you, I couldn't cry or even feel sad on occasions, when that would have been the normal response. Instead, I was analytical and rationalized everything which was very frustrating to the people closest to me, like my wife and children. It was my way of protecting myself. These days, I am able to feel some emotions, which is good.

Whatever you are doing to stay clean, keep doing it. Life is worth living. You have a long life ahead of you. Enjoy it.
Title: Re: Went from all this to just subutex and a little xanax
Post by: Mike on September 28, 2014, 10:24:12 PM
Eh, just quit. Your body will revert back to normal eventually. Most people are weak-willed, and simply cant handle feeling like shit for an extended period of time.

You can do from benzo and alcohol withdraws ....not safe to cold turkey without medical supervision.

Opiate withdrawal won't kill you (directly that is) but fuck that shit!
Title: Re: Went from all this to just subutex and a little xanax
Post by: whitewidow on September 29, 2014, 03:20:45 AM
Absolutely right.....

Someone could just STOP taking opiates though.  Wouldn't recommend it but it wouldn't kill them.
 
But you should NEVER try that with Benzo's.  You could actually die from doing something that stupid.  You can have seizures or worse.  Only way to come off of benzo's especially if your body is dependent on them is taper off slowly.

Yes this is correct I think both withdrawals are awful! but Elvis is right opiates you will not die you just feel like your dying or want to die with benzos you can actually seizure and die! it's scary shit because you might be trying to kick xanax or any benzo and be clean off them for a day ot two but you could dose off into a sleep and seizure in your sleep. benzos are #1 most horrible drug to get addicted to. I thought my doctor was just trying to scare me when he told me what he was prescribing me was more addictive then heroin but he was right,at least the withdrawals are way more dangerous and just as unpleasant
Title: Re: Went from all this to just subutex and a little xanax
Post by: whitewidow on September 29, 2014, 03:21:36 AM
You can do from benzo and alcohol withdraws ....not safe to cold turkey without medical supervision.

Opiate withdrawal won't kill you (directly that is) but fuck that shit!

this guy is right as well. benzo withdrawal is very serious, you might think your tough and can do it on your own but it's not worth dying over.
Title: Re: Went from all this to just subutex and a little xanax
Post by: SaintAnger on September 29, 2014, 03:35:40 AM
Whitewidow, do you have a mental health diagnosis, such as Bipolar?  There has to be a reason for all this...

Good Luck!
Title: Re: Went from all this to just subutex and a little xanax
Post by: gracie bjj on September 29, 2014, 03:48:54 AM
u guys that r saying just suck it and quit don't understand that a person can die from benzodiapene addiction,opiates u can just quit and u wont die but benzos is different,seizures can happen and its bad news. take something called a phenabar(barbiturate) while coming off Xanax and u will prevent seizure,even opoiates,why suffer?just take subitex and bam u r done,no withdrawels.then u just stop taking the subs after a week or 2 and u may get slight headache but that's all
Title: Re: Went from all this to just subutex and a little xanax
Post by: Var City on September 29, 2014, 09:56:35 AM
Re: the benzos

I had a MAJOR seizure during withdrawal that was so fucking unpleasant I won't attempt
To be cute and put it into words: it wS hell on earth

Just because I quit my massive addiction alone (w out rehab) doesn't mean you should

I admit I should have had supervision and I'm so lucky to be alive

Anyone w issues pm me oor questions
Title: Re: Went from all this to just subutex and a little xanax
Post by: Shockwave on September 29, 2014, 10:59:34 AM
u guys that r saying just suck it and quit don't understand that a person can die from benzodiapene addiction,opiates u can just quit and u wont die but benzos is different,seizures can happen and its bad news. take something called a phenabar(barbiturate) while coming off Xanax and u will prevent seizure,even opoiates,why suffer?just take subitex and bam u r done,no withdrawels.then u just stop taking the subs after a week or 2 and u may get slight headache but that's all
Correct. Only a couple drugs that withdrawals can kill from.... alcohol and benzos.

Ipiate withdrawal makes you think youre dying, but you wont die.
Title: Re: Went from all this to just subutex and a little xanax
Post by: heenok on September 29, 2014, 11:41:59 AM
Benzo are extremly useful sometimes. I use a bit of bromazepam about once a month when i really need to calm my nerve and sleep.
But horrible insane withdrawl.

Opiates... well fuck this lol wouldnt wish addiction to those drugs to my worst enemy.
Title: Re: Went from all this to just subutex and a little xanax
Post by: Necrosis on September 29, 2014, 12:02:13 PM
Correct. Only a couple drugs that withdrawals can kill from.... alcohol and benzos.

Ipiate withdrawal makes you think youre dying, but you wont die.

Not only that benzos seem to fuck you up for life. I have PAWS from that shit, it's basically whenever I have a sig amt of a cross tolerant drug like alcohol I get minor benzo withdrawals for like a week. No matter how long ago it won't stop. fucked.
Title: Re: Went from all this to just subutex and a little xanax
Post by: Primemuscle on September 29, 2014, 12:44:46 PM
I've recently started taking venlafaxine XR for anxiety. It is classed as a serotonin-norepinephrine reuptake inhibitor and not classed as a benzodiazepine. Do any of you with more experience with these types of drugs know if withdrawal from this is as bad as with benzos? I'd hope to only take it for a limited period of time. The are presently some added stressors in my life, which I believe are causing my anxiety. As those things are resolved, I shouldn't need the meds.
Title: Re: Went from all this to just subutex and a little xanax
Post by: Shockwave on September 29, 2014, 12:51:13 PM
I've recently started taking venlafaxine XR for anxiety. It is classed as a serotonin-norepinephrine reuptake inhibitor and not classed as a benzodiazepine. Do any of you with more experience with these types of drugs know if withdrawal from this is as bad as with benzos? I'd hope to only take it for a limited period of time. The are presently some added stressors in my life, which I believe are causing my anxiety. As those things are resolved, I shouldn't need the meds.
Anything that messes with serotonin/dopamine can have withdrawal effects.... cocaine is a dopamine reuptake inhibitor... any time the the body sees an excess of neurotransmitter, it can/will slow down production naturally to get it to where it wants to be... and then when you cease taking the medicine, it takes your brain a while to figure out the neurotransmitter is low and to start producing again.
Title: Re: Went from all this to just subutex and a little xanax
Post by: Primemuscle on September 29, 2014, 01:51:40 PM
Anything that messes with serotonin/dopamine can have withdrawal effects.... cocaine is a dopamine reuptake inhibitor... any time the the body sees an excess of neurotransmitter, it can/will slow down production naturally to get it to where it wants to be... and then when you cease taking the medicine, it takes your brain a while to figure out the neurotransmitter is low and to start producing again.


Thanks. When I feel I no longer need this "crutch" I will follow my doctor's suggestions about how to wean myself off it. Currently my prescription says to take two 37.5 mg tablets a day. I took one tablet a day for the first week as prescribed.