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Re: a look at ANDREAS MUNZER
« Reply #50 on: June 06, 2007, 08:52:40 PM »
you guys do realize that munzer competed against the likes of Lee Haney and Shawn Ray...Saying he should have won an olympia is silly...

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Re: a look at ANDREAS MUNZER
« Reply #51 on: June 06, 2007, 10:49:28 PM »
lmao poor structure???....too blocky?

can tell you read that somewhere and you're just repeating it....

munzer had great structure....he was a bit narrow but his muscle bellies where great especially legs and lats from the front......too blocky is nonsense....

how long have you been a fan of bodybuilding??? im curious ::)

I've been following it since the early-90s

look, his structure was poor. simple as that. I'm not saying Cutler's structure is great or anything, but I definitely think Cutler is better now than Munzer ever was.

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Re: a look at ANDREAS MUNZER
« Reply #52 on: June 06, 2007, 10:50:37 PM »
I've been following it since the early-90s

look, his structure was poor. simple as that. I'm not saying Cutler's structure is great or anything, but I definitely think Cutler is better now than Munzer ever was.

I think this pic demonstrates my point



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Re: a look at ANDREAS MUNZER
« Reply #53 on: June 06, 2007, 10:56:08 PM »
He also loved his escliene...

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Re: a look at ANDREAS MUNZER
« Reply #54 on: June 06, 2007, 10:56:30 PM »
I've been following it since the early-90s

look, his structure was poor. simple as that. I'm not saying Cutler's structure is great or anything, but I definitely think Cutler is better now than Munzer ever was.
Yup, the structure killed him. Didn't help that he was a really poor poser.


Regarding his death it could have been a bleeding ulcer for all we know. Autopsy results were sealed. All that is know: internal bleeding, refusal of transfusion by Munzer, death.

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Re: a look at ANDREAS MUNZER
« Reply #55 on: June 07, 2007, 06:42:24 AM »
MUNZER'S ability to get ripped was second too none ,and when he posed his muscle popped and fibrous striations all over,but as stated above regarding structure a top 5 guy he was not due to his overall look.bbers are judged relaxed and his structure viewed relaxed was not on par with his fellow competitior's.

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Re: a look at ANDREAS MUNZER
« Reply #56 on: June 07, 2007, 06:51:27 AM »
The account of his death that has been documented and posted can only be described as horribly lingering and full of agony.  It was painful just to read it.

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Re: a look at ANDREAS MUNZER
« Reply #57 on: June 07, 2007, 06:52:12 AM »
Yup, the structure killed him. Didn't help that he was a really poor poser.


Regarding his death it could have been a bleeding ulcer for all we know. Autopsy results were sealed. All that is know: internal bleeding, refusal of transfusion by Munzer, death.

whoa, back up a bit. munzer refused a blood transfusion ???

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Re: a look at ANDREAS MUNZER
« Reply #58 on: May 19, 2020, 06:22:52 PM »
whoa, back up a bit. munzer refused a blood transfusion ???

Bump.. Why would he refuse a transfusion?

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Re: a look at ANDREAS MUNZER
« Reply #59 on: May 19, 2020, 07:20:10 PM »
Bump.. Why would he refuse a transfusion?

I had never heard that one... Don't know if we will get an answer 13 years on, anyone else heard that mentzer refused a transfusion?

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Re: a look at ANDREAS MUNZER
« Reply #60 on: May 19, 2020, 10:40:59 PM »
https://www.muscleandfitness.com/athletes-celebrities/news/tragedy-andreas-m-nzer/

After months of stomach pain, Münzer was admitted to hospital on the morning of March 12, 1996. By 7pm, doctors had decided to operate to stop bleeding from his stomach, but his liver and kidneys failed shortly afterwards. His condition by this point was too severe for a blood transfusion, and he died on the morning of March 14 at the age of 31.[1][2] The autopsy gave the cause of death as dystrophic multiple organ failure.[3]

Some of the specific autopsy findings were an extremely muscular physique with an almost complete absence of subcutaneous fat, a liver that contained numerous table tennis ball-sized tumors (with half the liver consisting simply of a crumbly mass that was similar to polystyrene), shriveled testes, and cardiac hypertrophy (Münzer’s heart weighed 636g; a normal man’s heart usually weighs 300–350g).[3]

Münzer’s electrolytes were also out of balance, and his potassium levels were extremely high. Traces of about 20 different drugs were found, along with acute toxicity (perhaps caused by a stimulant). Schwarzenegger sent a wreath to Münzer’s funeral in Styria, with the message: “A last greeting to a friend.”


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Re: a look at ANDREAS MUNZER
« Reply #61 on: May 20, 2020, 12:19:59 AM »
whatever happened to HMB?

I used to take that shit back in the day. Seemed to work pretty well

Cost killed it. I think related to licensing?

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Re: a look at ANDREAS MUNZER
« Reply #62 on: May 20, 2020, 03:15:49 AM »
This is a totally awesome front lat spread. Up there with Dorian Yates! Munzer was actually one of the greats! I remember seeing a photo of Andreas walking in a park with a muscular black woman (girlfriend?) and he looked unreal. She was muscular but he totally dwarfed her!



And look at Arnold doing the FLS. Not too bad at all! This was not his signature pose but he pulls it off really well. Better than most I would say except for Andreas, Dorian, Haney and a few others. I never liked Ronnie's FLS.




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Re: a look at ANDREAS MUNZER
« Reply #63 on: May 20, 2020, 03:20:58 AM »
https://www.muscleandfitness.com/athletes-celebrities/news/tragedy-andreas-m-nzer/

After months of stomach pain, Münzer was admitted to hospital on the morning of March 12, 1996. By 7pm, doctors had decided to operate to stop bleeding from his stomach, but his liver and kidneys failed shortly afterwards. His condition by this point was too severe for a blood transfusion, and he died on the morning of March 14 at the age of 31.[1][2] The autopsy gave the cause of death as dystrophic multiple organ failure.[3]

Some of the specific autopsy findings were an extremely muscular physique with an almost complete absence of subcutaneous fat, a liver that contained numerous table tennis ball-sized tumors (with half the liver consisting simply of a crumbly mass that was similar to polystyrene), shriveled testes, and cardiac hypertrophy (Münzer’s heart weighed 636g; a normal man’s heart usually weighs 300–350g).[3]

Münzer’s electrolytes were also out of balance, and his potassium levels were extremely high. Traces of about 20 different drugs were found, along with acute toxicity (perhaps caused by a stimulant). Schwarzenegger sent a wreath to Münzer’s funeral in Styria, with the message: “A last greeting to a friend.”

Wow that's crazy! I recall reading about the horrible way he died.

Interesting to note that Dallas McCarver's heart was actually quite a bit bigger than Munzer's. It weighed 833 g vs 636 g for Munzer.

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Re: a look at ANDREAS MUNZER
« Reply #64 on: May 20, 2020, 03:35:45 AM »
https://www.muscleandfitness.com/athletes-celebrities/news/tragedy-andreas-m-nzer/

After months of stomach pain, Münzer was admitted to hospital on the morning of March 12, 1996. By 7pm, doctors had decided to operate to stop bleeding from his stomach, but his liver and kidneys failed shortly afterwards. His condition by this point was too severe for a blood transfusion, and he died on the morning of March 14 at the age of 31.[1][2] The autopsy gave the cause of death as dystrophic multiple organ failure.[3]

Some of the specific autopsy findings were an extremely muscular physique with an almost complete absence of subcutaneous fat, a liver that contained numerous table tennis ball-sized tumors (with half the liver consisting simply of a crumbly mass that was similar to polystyrene), shriveled testes, and cardiac hypertrophy (Münzer’s heart weighed 636g; a normal man’s heart usually weighs 300–350g).[3]

Münzer’s electrolytes were also out of balance, and his potassium levels were extremely high. Traces of about 20 different drugs were found, along with acute toxicity (perhaps caused by a stimulant). Schwarzenegger sent a wreath to Münzer’s funeral in Styria, with the message: “A last greeting to a friend.”

Interesting to see the next gen of bbers and as the guys from late 90’s and 2000’s age

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Re: a look at ANDREAS MUNZER
« Reply #65 on: May 20, 2020, 03:37:44 AM »
This is a totally awesome front lat spread. Up there with Dorian Yates! Munzer was actually one of the greats! I remember seeing a photo of Andreas walking in a park with a muscular black woman (girlfriend?) and he looked unreal. She was muscular but he totally dwarfed her!



And look at Arnold doing the FLS. Not too bad at all! This was not his signature pose but he pulls it off really well. Better than most I would say except for Andreas, Dorian, Haney and a few others. I never liked Ronnie's FLS.



If branch warren can win shows and place runner up at the O a few times, Munzer could def do well and win shows in today’s bbing

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Re: a look at ANDREAS MUNZER
« Reply #66 on: May 20, 2020, 06:20:04 AM »
I think its a lat spread/thigh pose showing the kind of quad development most of us will never acquire.

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Re: a look at ANDREAS MUNZER
« Reply #67 on: May 20, 2020, 06:27:49 AM »
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Re: a look at ANDREAS MUNZER
« Reply #68 on: May 20, 2020, 11:10:39 AM »
https://www.muscleandfitness.com/athletes-celebrities/news/tragedy-andreas-m-nzer/

After months of stomach pain, Münzer was admitted to hospital on the morning of March 12, 1996. By 7pm, doctors had decided to operate to stop bleeding from his stomach, but his liver and kidneys failed shortly afterwards. His condition by this point was too severe for a blood transfusion, and he died on the morning of March 14 at the age of 31.[1][2] The autopsy gave the cause of death as dystrophic multiple organ failure.[3]

Some of the specific autopsy findings were an extremely muscular physique with an almost complete absence of subcutaneous fat, a liver that contained numerous table tennis ball-sized tumors (with half the liver consisting simply of a crumbly mass that was similar to polystyrene), shriveled testes, and cardiac hypertrophy (Münzer’s heart weighed 636g; a normal man’s heart usually weighs 300–350g).[3]

Münzer’s electrolytes were also out of balance, and his potassium levels were extremely high. Traces of about 20 different drugs were found, along with acute toxicity (perhaps caused by a stimulant). Schwarzenegger sent a wreath to Münzer’s funeral in Styria, with the message: “A last greeting to a friend.”
His heart was twice the size of a normal man's.  :o

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Re: a look at ANDREAS MUNZER
« Reply #69 on: May 20, 2020, 12:02:22 PM »
F**k me - epic 13 year old thread bump  :o

That said, I agree with the statement below about quad shape - him and Sonny Schmidt had my favorite legs (no homo and RIP both guys WHO WERE YOUNGER THAN ME FFS)

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i agree.....i think his quad shape is about the best ever......the shape and structure that is

im not talking about his development ....im talking about the shape he was born with
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Re: a look at ANDREAS MUNZER
« Reply #70 on: May 20, 2020, 01:46:37 PM »
to all the future BB champs ...here is a pic of Munzer today....

He looks absolutely peeled. Serious death face.

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Re: a look at ANDREAS MUNZER
« Reply #71 on: May 20, 2020, 03:45:14 PM »
He looks absolutely peeled. Serious death face.

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Re: a look at ANDREAS MUNZER
« Reply #72 on: May 20, 2020, 04:44:20 PM »
https://abcnews.go.com/Health/legendary-bodybuilder-died-body-fat-lives/story?id=29899438

Why Legendary Bodybuilder Who Died With Almost Zero Body Fat Lives On
Andreas Munzer is the gold standard and a cautionary tale for bodybuilders.

Austrian bodybuilder Andreas Munzer, who died 19 years ago this month, remains both the gold standard and a cautionary tale for men striving for the ripped, lean look the sport demands.

Although it could not be confirmed, he appears to have died from multiple organ failure, the likely result of years of alleged anabolic steroid abuse. He was 31, and easily recognizable from the images that have gone viral in recent days.

Munzer’s autopsy revealed he had almost 0 percent body fat, the legend goes. Such a small amount of body fat could have hastened his demise, experts say.

“You need body fat for cellular function, energy use and to pad the joints and organs,” said Carol Garber, professor of movement sciences at Columbia University in New York City. “Having too little can lead to nutritional deficiencies, electrolyte imbalances and malfunction of the heart, kidney and other organs.”

Men require at least 3 percent body fat and women at least 12 percent in order for the body to function properly, Garber said. Below that is where you start to see serious health problems. Sometimes it leads to organ failure and death, she added.

But despite the risks, Munzer’s pictures and profile frequently go viral on bodybuilding forums all these years later because of the sports’ perpetual obsession with stripping every last ounce of adipose tissue from their body, according to Brian Washington, commissioner of the United States Bodybuilding Federation.

“Percentage of body fat is a major issue with bodybuilders,” Washington said. “They devote a lot of their efforts and money on products to go as low as they can possibly go.”

Others agree. “There are still some bodybuilders obsessed about their numbers who take their body fat percentage readings on a regular basis readers,” said Louis Zwick, the producer of Musclemania, a bodybuilding and fitness competition production company, adding that even those who don’t care about an exact percentage do care about getting as ripped as possible for competition.

Zwick, who said he was part of the film crew that taped Münzer’s last competition before his death 10 days later, said the Austrian was very lean but doubts his body was completely absent of fat.

“I’ve never really seen anyone who really had zero body fat,” he said. “You just can’t be. You wouldn’t survive.”

But it is possible to get down to so little body fat it becomes unmeasurable by standard methods, Columbia’s Garber said. Pinching the skin to measure the thickness of fat just below the surface is the most common way of measuring body fat percentage, she said. It wouldn’t be precise enough to estimate the degree of accuracy needed to make such a claim, she said.

The average bodybuilder is probably between 3 and 5 percent body fat, at least during competition season, Musclemania producer Zwick estimated. Some cycle up in weight during the off-season but as the sport has moved toward a more natural look in the past decade, many strive to stay in shape all year long, he said.

Munzer, Zwick said, was leaner than most. He was always muscled up and stripped of fat.

“That’s why he’s still a legend today,” he said.

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Re: a look at ANDREAS MUNZER
« Reply #73 on: May 20, 2020, 04:46:06 PM »
Was it worth it? 

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Re: a look at ANDREAS MUNZER
« Reply #74 on: May 20, 2020, 05:40:56 PM »
Was it worth it?
Depends how you look at things, people are still talking about him 30 years after he's gone, he's a legend in the bodybuilding world. Most go through life without much accolades, led alone achieving something that their peers will revere them for 30 years after they are gone.