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BREAKING – EXCLUSIVE: NY Paper Publishes Legal Gun Permit Holders Names In Print & Online!
AMI Global Security ^ | 24 DEC 2012 | Tony Mele
Posted on December 24, 2012, 9:52:36 AM EST by Old Sarge
A New York Newspaper Printed the names and addresses of every Licensed Pistol Permit holder in two Counties and another County is being posted shortly! This is a massive privacy breach and the latest in a series of over the top emotional reactions to the latest shooting tragedy in Sandy Hook CT meant to intimidate the lawful and prey on peoples fears to exploit the gun grabbing agenda.
In an article title “The gun owner next door: What you don’t know about the weapons in your neighborhood” the paper linked to an interactive map titled: “Map: Where are the gun permits in your neighborhood?” where you can search neighborhoods to see who received a legal permit to own a hand gun license listed by name and address.
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BREAKING – EXCLUSIVE: NY Paper Publishes Legal Gun Permit Holders Names In Print & Online!
AMI Global Security ^ | 24 DEC 2012 | Tony Mele
Posted on December 24, 2012, 9:52:36 AM EST by Old Sarge
A New York Newspaper Printed the names and addresses of every Licensed Pistol Permit holder in two Counties and another County is being posted shortly! This is a massive privacy breach and the latest in a series of over the top emotional reactions to the latest shooting tragedy in Sandy Hook CT meant to intimidate the lawful and prey on peoples fears to exploit the gun grabbing agenda.
In an article title “The gun owner next door: What you don’t know about the weapons in your neighborhood” the paper linked to an interactive map titled: “Map: Where are the gun permits in your neighborhood?” where you can search neighborhoods to see who received a legal permit to own a hand gun license listed by name and address.
(Excerpt) Read more at amiglobalsecurity.com ...
Speechless....
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Now the criminals will know where to steal weapons. Typical liberal communist attitude on display here.
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Unfucking believable...
more intolerance from those that cry about tolerance folks
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Now the criminals will know where to steal weapons. Typical liberal communist attitude on display here.
Arent gun permits public record?
if you don't know you should ask a lawyer.
Btw........jesus christ you are stupid.
What thief is going to knowingly break into a home of someone who owns a gun.
If anything they would use the list to know which houses to avoid
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could you post a link? I went to the site and didn't see anything.
nutcases on either side are funny. you have hipsters vs good ol boys
I would vote neil de grasse tyson as POTUS.
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Arent gun permits public record?
if you don't know you should ask a lawyer.
Btw........jesus christ you are stupid.
What thief is going to knowingly break into a home of someone who owns a gun.
If anything they would use the list to know which houses to avoid
seems counterintuitive to select the home of someone who can inflict lethal death. Criminals are stupid though.
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Arent gun permits public record?
if you don't know you should ask a lawyer.
Btw........jesus christ you are stupid.
What thief is going to knowingly break into a home of someone who owns a gun.
If anything they would use the list to know which houses to avoid
A lot of things are public record - does not mean the paper shoul be tossing gas on the fire.
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seems counterintuitive to select the home of someone who can inflict lethal death. Criminals are stupid though.
Apparently not the only people that are stupid
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Apparently not the only people that are stupid
Correct. The liberal scumbags at the paper doing this are very stupid.
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http://www.lohud.com/interactive/article/20121223/NEWS01/121221011/Map-Where-gun-permits-your-neighborhood-
Dont know if this is the original but I did find this on the interweb
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A lot of things are public record - does not mean the paper shoul be tossing gas on the fire.
You should go find a lawyer who can explain the definition of "public record" to you
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Correct. The liberal scumbags at the paper doing this are very stupid.
WHOOSH
Right over your head
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You should go find a lawyer who can explain the definition of "public record" to you
So what is the point of the urinal news doing this?
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Do you agree with the paper printing the names and addresses of these individuals straw?
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You have no problem with a newspaper publishing the names and addresses of everyone that has a CWP? Seems like a violation of privacy to me. And yes, I understand they are public record, but it still seems massively wrong for a newspaper to publish names and addresses without the express consent of the person.
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You have no problem with a newspaper publishing the names and addresses of everyone that has a CWP? Seems like a violation of privacy to me. And yes, I understand they are public record, but it still seems massively wrong for a newspaper to publish names and addresses without the express consent of the person.
I few this like offshore tax havens, hey it's not illegal right. no harm no foul.
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So what is the point of the urinal news doing this?
Obviously to help criminals know where the guns are so they can go steal them
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bad guys should know "These are the houses you will lose your head should you try to rob".
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If the paper published a list of all the gay marriages in a whole spread there would be outrage from the left.
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If the paper published a list of all the gay marriages in a whole spread there would be outrage from the left.
good lord you're getting dumber by the hour
aren't marriages (gay and straight) published every week in the paper ?
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good lord you're getting dumber by the hour
aren't marriages (gay and straight) published every week in the paper ?
No , only those putting in notices.
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good lord you're getting dumber by the hour
aren't marriages (gay and straight) published every week in the paper ?
Usually only the people that are putting them into the paper, not to mention they usually don't have addresses.
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Do you agree with the paper printing the names and addresses of these individuals straw?
Considering the public record aspect, no character defamation, etc, Do you think it would violate the first amendment if the paper was prohibited from printing the names and addresses of those individuals tony?
If not, whynot.
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Considering the public record aspect, no character defamation, etc, Do you think it would violate the first amendment if the paper was prohibited from printing the names and addresses of those individuals tony?
If not, whynot.
I didn't mention anything in terms of legality.
What's the point of this?
It's simply pouring more idiocy into an already idiotic situation.
There is no point to this and this does lead to these individuals being harmed either physically, economically or other wise I hope this paper is held responsible
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It's a proven fact that 100% of criminals prefer unarmed victims.
Any criminal with reading skills would look at the list and decide against messing with any of those people.
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They could also wait till the people not home and them try to ransack the place.
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It's a proven fact that 100% of criminals prefer unarmed victims.
Any criminal with reading skills would look at the list and decide against messing with any of those people.
so youre saying they put the ppl whos names dont appear on that list in danger then?
anyway you try and slice this its idiotic and serves no purpose except to stir the pot.
Someone should get the names and addresses of the employees of this news paper and publish those and see how much those libtard morons like it.
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http://us.lrd.yahoo.com/_ylt=AtQmaiti34VTKXPUslrvQxmr9HQA;_ylu=X3oDMTFka3BkYnE0BG1pdANCbG9nIEJvZHkEcG9zAzEEc2VjA01lZGlhQmxvZ0JvZHlBc3NlbWJseQ--;_ylg=X3oDMTMwczM4MmpoBGludGwDdXMEbGFuZwNlbi11cwRwc3RhaWQDNDliN2NlNzMtZjhhNS0zOGUyLTk3NDUtODQ4ZjNmODRlZmMyBHBzdGNhdANlbnRlcnRhaW5tZW50BHB0A3N0b3J5cGFnZQ--;_ylv=0/SIG=13vbqtk1q/EXP=1357656045/**http%3A//www.lohud.com/interactive/article/20121223/NEWS01/121221011/Map-Where-gun-permits-your-neighborhood-
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What thief is going to knowingly break into a home of someone who owns a gun.
True, but it also tells them where they can likely score some firearms when no one's home.
I have a gun safe bolted to my basement floor and lock everything (guns) up before leaving the house.
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And libtards have said for ever that gun registration would never be used to single out gun owners.
what say you now?
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True, but it also tells them where they can likely score some firearms when no one's home.
I have a gun safe bolted to my basement floor and lock everything (guns) up before leaving the house.
This is what bothers me... I used to know a couple meth heads that cased a Police officers house on and off for a couple months, waited for him to take the family and go on vacation, and then backed a truck up to his driveway in the middle of the day, opened his garage, and loaded his gun safe up and drove off with it. No one even asked questions because they just went in like they owned the place.
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True, but it also tells them where they can likely score some firearms when no one's home.
I have a gun safe bolted to my basement floor and lock everything (guns) up before leaving the house.
A pro would find and pop it in under 2 minutes
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A pro would find and pop it in under 2 minutes
Anything is possible. There are some crafty assholes out there, no doubt.
But, mine isn't some cheapy safe you can buy on sale at Dick's, and it's a good precaution against most common/petty-thieves, who will lack the necessary skill required to get in.
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Anything is possible. There are some crafty assholes out there, no doubt.
But, mine isn't some cheapy safe you can buy on sale at Dick's, and it's a good precaution against most common/petty-thieves, who will lack the necessary skill required to get in.
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Only a leftist communist thug and scumbag would think to do what this paper did.
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^^ I agree.
I also think it is an entirely different context to take information like this (public record, or not), and condense it into a local newspaper with the IMPLICATION that the names contained therein are of people with dubious qualities and malicious intent.
IMO, that violates every iota of journalistic integrity, and demonstrates extreme agenda-pushing to create bias and animosity against private, law-abiding citizens.
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What thief is going to knowingly break into a home of someone who owns a gun.
If anything they would use the list to know which houses to avoid
maybe just the opposite, this gives thiefs a nice little map for which homes to avoid. Maybe people without permits should be just as pissed lol...
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/25/new-york-journal-news-gun-owners-westchester-rockland-counties_n_2362530.html
Want to know why I would rejoice at every leftist being eaten by worms or buzzards?
These liberal delusional psychotic communists can all rot in hell and croak for all I care.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/25/new-york-journal-news-gun-owners-westchester-rockland-counties_n_2362530.html
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http://www.lohud.com/comments/article/20121223/NEWS04/312230056/The-gun-owner-next-door-What-you-don-t-know-about-weapons-your-neighborhood
I hope when the thugs and criminals invade - they go to the unarmed defensless obama voting liberal white leftists first and terrorze those idiots.
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http://www.lohud.com/comments/article/20121223/NEWS04/312230056/The-gun-owner-next-door-What-you-don-t-know-about-weapons-your-neighborhood
I hope when the thugs and criminals invade - they go to the unarmed defensless obama voting liberal white leftists first and terrorze those idiots.
I hope they come to your house because you'll likely be cowering in the corner than use your gun
you're the epitome of an internet tough guy
constantly talking tough and then pissing your pants when confronted with a dangerous situation
real tough guys don't feel the need to do all that talking
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Usually only the people that are putting them into the paper, not to mention they usually don't have addresses.
Correct... Obituaries are also not public... People send the notices in.
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I hope they come to your house because you'll likely be cowering in the corner than use your gun
you're the epitome of an internet tough guy
constantly talking tough and then pissing your pants when confronted with a dangerous situation
real tough guys don't feel the need to do all that talking
Yep. No doubt that whoever came by to grab his guns and kick his ass would be some of the "thugs" he fears so much.
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http://guy-creates-interactive-map-employees-paper-which-published-names-an
Good. Fuck these liberal commies.
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Bad decision. I agree with those who said it gives criminals a map of houses that probably don't have guns.
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Bad decision. I agree with those who said it gives criminals a map of houses that probably don't have guns.
the moron thinks that criminals will now break into houses where they know the homeowner has guns
apparently the moron is much dumber than the average criminal
btw - if you anyone has a problem with having this then DON'T BUY A GUN
the public has a right to know this information which is why it's a public record
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the moron thinks that criminals will now break into houses where they know the homeowner has guns
apparently the moron is much dumber than the average criminal
btw - if you anyone has a problem with having this then DON'T BUY A GUN
the public has a right to know this information which is why it's a public record
Hw about a list of welfare bums getting tax dollars?
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this is why people buy guns at gun shows using the loophole
you can get out of prison, get your $ from work detail, hitchkike to the gun show, and then buy an AR-15 rifle from some dude you've never met with no paperwork. you can buy ammo. and you can have it all without your name going into the paper too.
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Correct... Obituaries are also not public... People send the notices in.
only for certain people
all papers have Obits written in advance for many people who are public figures (even minor ones)
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only for certain people
all papers have Obits written in advance for many people who are public figures (even minor ones)
Key words.
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Key words.
so what
the only reason they don't do it for everyone is that no one cares
it doesn't change the fact that papers publish obits on people without their consent
btw "public figure" and "public records"
notice anything in common
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Blogger Christopher Fountain Hits Back Against Gun Owners' Map, Publishes Addresses Of Journal News Staff
Posted: 12/27/2012 9:58 am EST | Updated: 12/27/2012 12:35 pm EST
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Blogger Christopher Fountain retaliated against a New York newspaper, which recently published the addresses of local gun owners, by publishing the addresses and phone numbers of the newspaper's staff.
The Journal News published the names and addresses of legal gun owners in Westchester and Rockland counties. The paper has been criticized for allegedly putting people in danger.
On Monday, Fountain began publishing the names, addresses and contact information of the newspaper's publisher and editor, and staff members who worked on the gun owners' map. Readers came up with information for other staff members, and Fountain listed those employees as well.
The blogger explained why he did it, speaking on CNN Thursday. "Somehow, [The Journal News was] conflating legal gun owners with some crazed, tormented devil up in Newtown and putting the two together," he alleged. "And I was offended by that and I wondered how they'd like it if their addresses were published."
Journal News publisher Janet Hanson has defended the newspaper's gun map, saying that the information was "important" in the aftermath of the Newtown shooting.
Fountain disagreed on Thursday, and argued that she could have published the number of gun permits in the counties instead. “But the fact that they put the addresses — I’ve received emails from abused women who were under protective order and in hiding, and they’re terribly afraid that now their names and addresses are all over the Internet and accessible through that map,” he said.
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Fountain disagreed on Thursday, and argued that she could have published the number of gun permits in the counties instead. “But the fact that they put the addresses — I’ve received emails from abused women who were under protective order and in hiding, and they’re terribly afraid that now their names and addresses are all over the Internet and accessible through that map,” he said.
Brilliant.
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Brilliant.
Typical leftist liberal progressive communist thing to do what this rag did.
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I doubt the people at the paper will complain nearly as much as the pussies on this thread
Its a national story now. People are very upset since these leftist communist creeps now blew the address on many people under proective custody, TRO, ex-law enforcement, judges, etc.
Typical leftist mentality - its ok to publish info on gun owners held by the clerk, not ok to publish gays who get a wedding license by the clerk.
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Typical right-ist mentality. Bitch and whine about something by making illogical assumptions.
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Typical right-ist mentality. Bitch and whine about something by making illogical assumptions.
Many people are really upset over this - even local clerks, law enforcement etc sine this provides a road map for thugs and criminals which homes to attack.
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Its a national story now. People are very upset since these leftist communist creeps now blew the address on many people under proective custody, TRO, ex-law enforcement, judges, etc.
Typical leftist mentality - its ok to publish info on gun owners held by the clerk, not ok to publish gays who get a wedding license by the clerk.
feel free to gather all the info on gay weddings and publish them
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33333's arguments can be so stupid.
Par for the course though.
Agreed.
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Blogger Christopher Fountain Hits Back Against Gun Owners' Map, Publishes Addresses Of Journal News Staff
Posted: 12/27/2012 9:58 am EST | Updated: 12/27/2012 12:35 pm EST
Video, Christopher Fountain, Gun Map, Gun Map Newspaper, Gun Owners Map, Gun Owners Neighbors, Gun Owners Westchester, Journal News Addresses, Journal News Gun Map, Newspaper Gun Map, Media News
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Blogger Christopher Fountain retaliated against a New York newspaper, which recently published the addresses of local gun owners, by publishing the addresses and phone numbers of the newspaper's staff.
The Journal News published the names and addresses of legal gun owners in Westchester and Rockland counties. The paper has been criticized for allegedly putting people in danger.
On Monday, Fountain began publishing the names, addresses and contact information of the newspaper's publisher and editor, and staff members who worked on the gun owners' map. Readers came up with information for other staff members, and Fountain listed those employees as well.
The blogger explained why he did it, speaking on CNN Thursday. "Somehow, [The Journal News was] conflating legal gun owners with some crazed, tormented devil up in Newtown and putting the two together," he alleged. "And I was offended by that and I wondered how they'd like it if their addresses were published."
Journal News publisher Janet Hanson has defended the newspaper's gun map, saying that the information was "important" in the aftermath of the Newtown shooting.
Fountain disagreed on Thursday, and argued that she could have published the number of gun permits in the counties instead. “But the fact that they put the addresses — I’ve received emails from abused women who were under protective order and in hiding, and they’re terribly afraid that now their names and addresses are all over the Internet and accessible through that map,” he said.
Is it not illegal to post confident information?
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A lot of things are public record - does not mean the paper shoul be tossing gas on the fire.
dont you like the 1st ammendement?
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Not to point out the obvious--- But has anyone bothered to consider where most violent gun deaths occur and under what circumstances?
Is the newspaper going to start knocking on doors in the ghetto and asking unlicensed, illegal gun owners for their personal information so it can be printed?
And if not, why not?
Think about how sick and warped this is-- So called journalists with an agenda deliberately research, compile and print the personal information of private citizens in the newspapers for the unspeakable crime of LEGALLY engaging in the practice of a right guaranteed by the constitution.
Where the fuck does this end?
This has nothing to do with stopping gun violence.
This is about trampling on the liberty of law abiding citizens and attempting to shame/scare gun owners into hiding.
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/29/journal-news_n_2380058.html
They are expanding the list now.
When a few of these leftist aholes get their houses invaded by robbers who know they are without arms - I just hope they ransack and destroy the fng place.
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/29/journal-news_n_2380058.html
They are expanding the list now.
When a few of these leftist aholes get their houses invaded by robbers who know they are without arms - I just hope they ransack and destroy the fng place.
you still pissing and moaning about this
if you don't like the rules then don't own guns
otherwise STFU
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Is it not illegal to post confident information?
It certainly is within the realm of legality, but the accompanying intent and implications are in poor taste, and (IMO) adulterate the journalistic integrity of a professional publication.
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It certainly is within the realm of legality, but the accompanying intent and implications are in poor taste, and (IMO) adulterate the journalistic integrity of a professional publication.
Is it on public record if you buy a gun ???
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Is it on public record if you buy a gun ???
I don't know about everywhere. It apparently is in 3's city.
I think he's upset about the insinuation of the report that "the following list contains names of people with malicious intent." Even if they don't come out and say that outright, they're certainly not heralding gun-owners in any kind of positive light.
Not everyone on that list deserves to be assigned a negative label, but they're all on the receiving end of that implication.
It would make me mad, too.
To me, it's abusing the freedom of speech to misuse/misrepresent public information.
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I don't know about everywhere. It apparently is in 3's city.
I think he's upset about the insinuation of the report that "the following list contains names of people with malicious intent." Even if they don't come out and say that outright, they're certainly not heralding gun-owners in any kind of positive light.
Not everyone on that list deserves to be assigned a negative label, but they're all on the receiving end of that implication.
It would make me mad, too.
To me, it's abusing the freedom of speech to misuse/misrepresent public information.
and they said that gun registration would never be used to single out gun owners....
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and they said that gun registration would never be used to single out gun owners....
Unfortunately, this is the exact context of the situation.
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;D
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Just because something us legal and protected by the constitution does not mean it us desirable or moral. I do not think gun owners should be labeled as immoral or undesirable, however arguing on their behalf simply be appealing to legality and constitutional protection isn't much of an argument at all.
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/29/journal-news_n_2380058.html
They are expanding the list now.
When a few of these leftist aholes get their houses invaded by robbers who know they are without arms - I just hope they ransack and destroy the fng place.
Seriously 333, you really need to get over this left wing / right wing BS paradigmn, ...because that is all it is, BS, ...especially on the issue of gun control.
There are plenty of democrats who believe in the 2nd amendment, ...and there are plenty of Republicans who would gladly ban guns.
This left/right paradigmn that you insist in wallowing in, is simply how those with a globalist agenda divide & occupy the agendas of their enemies. They have people so busy hating on each other, that they don' even realize the need to organize and defend themselves from their real enemy.
People may consider those who are often referred to as "left wing kneepadders" or "right wing dittoheads" to be mind controlled & brainwashed, ...and perhaps they are, ...but certainly no more than those who persist in dwelling within the useless left/right paradigmn.
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Just because something us legal and protected by the constitution does not mean it us desirable or moral. I do not think gun owners should be labeled as immoral or undesirable, however arguing on their behalf simply be appealing to legality and constitutional protection isn't much of an argument at all.
This has seriously got to be one of the stupidest things I have ever read on GetBig. It ranks right up there with 'turning the other cheek' passively resisting and showing love to someone in the middle of trying to kill you'. Why am I not surprised it is the same poster who made the previous assinine remark.
If legality & constitutional protection isn't much of an argument... how about the right to privacy? How about people who are in hiding from dangerous stalkers, who now have their names & addresses published for their stalkers to see?
Now that the stalker now knows where his prey lives, s/he also knows what kind of fire power they have. A nutter who might otherwise have gone in armed with a knife, or perhaps gone in unarmed, may now choose to go in with a firearm. And please don't give me this crap about how burglars will avoid the location. With nutjobs lurking about, burglary is the least of one's concerns.
Tbombz, sometimes I think you say the stupidest things. ..
...although given the hatefilled rants 333 is so well known for, it is a pity his neighbours don't have the ability to cross reference his rants with the fact that he does own firearms.
While I'm certainly not of the opinion that all gun owners or 2nd Amendment supporters are all powder kegs waiting for a spark... I do think 333 definitely falls into that category. I truly would not at all be surprised if one day we hear about him going off the deep end.
How's that for a contradiction? lol
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Jag is a bi-partisan, equal opportunity ass-whooper.
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I'm not a violent person.
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I'm not a violent person.
I will vouch for your character.
You're just passionate. ;)
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I'm not a violent person.
ok... but you are stupid...
that's even more dangerous
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ok... but you are stupid...
that's even more dangerous
You are a communist leftist. Eat shit.
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You are a communist leftist. Eat shit.
i am a socialist leftist... there is a substantial difference
and you are the shit eater... you are clearly small brained, with no real friends
i pity you
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http://www.rocklandtimes.com/2013/01/01/the-journal-news-is-armed-and-dangerous
Typical leftist phonies.
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In 1941, H.L. Mencken, himself a newspaperman most of his life, wrote: “To the best of my knowledge and belief, the average American newspaper, even of the so-called better sort, is not only quite as bad as Upton Sinclair says it is, but 10 times worse – 10 times as ignorant, 10 times as unfair and tyrannical, 10 times as complaisant and pusillanimous, and 10 times as devious, hypocritical, disingenuous, deceitful, pharisaical, Pecksniffian, fraudulent, slippery, unscrupulous, perfidious, lewd and dishonest.”
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i am a socialist leftist... there is a substantial difference
and you are the shit eater... you are clearly small brained, with no real friends
i pity you
:D
I love how this ends PEA BRAIN'S comebacks. He just cries silently and then moves on, posting purely for himself as though he can post his way out of his mental illness.
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I can't believe all the beasts and savages haven't broken into 333's apartment to steal all his guns
I'm sure it's only a matter of time
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Lawsuit Filed Against Journal News Sparked By Map of Gun Owners
A lawsuit has been filed against The Journal News by a business that claims its reputation suffered after the newspaper published an interactive map of licensed gun owners in the area, following the massacre in Newtown, Conn. First Impression LLC is a gift shop and interior design firm located in Katonah. They sued both The Journal News and its corporate parent Gannett Co. in Westchester County Court. In the Summons with Notice, the gift shop accuses the newspaper of “falsely…publicly stating in the interactive website www.lohud.com that plaintiff First Impression LLC is a licensed handgun owner.” They are represented by McDermott and McDermott of Somers, N.Y. and claim to have lost business since the publishing of their company’s name on the map. The interactive map of Westchester and Rockland counties was published on December 23 and received over 500 comments within the first day, most of them negative reactions from outraged residents. The newspaper defended its actions by stating that the information it posted was public record. Though this is true, Putnam County refused to give information about licensed gun owners to The Journal News, a move that has received support from state Senator Greg Ball, R-Patterson. According to a police report obtained by the Rockland County Times, The Journal News hired a private security firm to stand guard outside their building during business hours, through at least January 2, 2013. The guards are armed.
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Criminals to Journal News: Thanks For the Gun Map
Katie Pavlich
News Editor, Townhall
Jan 04, 2013 01:30 PM EST
Former criminals have one thing to say about the Journal News posting a detailed map of gun owners in New York State: criminals are thanking you for the help.
Reformed crooks say the New York newspaper that published a map of names and addresses of gun owners did a great service – to their old cronies in the burglary trade.
The information published online by the Journal-News, a daily paper serving the New York suburbs of Westchester, Rockland and Putnam counties, could be highly useful to thieves in two ways, former burglars told FoxNews.com. Crooks looking to avoid getting shot now know which targets are soft and those who need weapons know where they can steal them.
"What they did was insanity," added Shaw, author of "License to Steal," a book about his criminal career.
Meanwhile in another county with gun owners being targeted by the Journal News, public officials are fighting back, saying the newspaper's efforts only invite more crime.
The defiant New York county clerk who has refused to hand over names and addresses of handgun permit holders to a newspaper that has stirred controversy by publishing the public information is standing firm, saying it's a matter of safety.
"This certainly puts my public in danger," Putnam County Clerk Dennis Sant said in reiterating his stance against the Journal News, a daily paper that serves the New York City suburbs of Westchester, Rockland and Putnam counties.
Assemblyman Steve Katz backed Sant, saying the newspaper had exposed the names of those who own guns for no good reason, and said the decision could put people at risk.
“The Journal News has really come up with the perfect map for the perpetrators and for the stalkers and for the criminals,” Katz said. “They have yet to give us a cogent reason why, except for the reason that they can. I am sorry — that is not acceptable.”
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Ex-Burglars Say Newspaper’s Gun Map Would’ve Made the Job Easier, Safer
foxnews.com ^ | January 4, 2013 | Jana Winter
Posted on Friday, January 04, 2013 4:52:50 PM by jiggyboy
Reformed crooks say the New York newspaper that published a map of names and addresses of gun owners did a great service – to their old cronies in the burglary trade.
The information published online by the Journal-News, a daily paper serving the New York suburbs of Westchester, Rockland and Putnam counties, could be highly useful to thieves in two ways, former burglars told FoxNews.com. Crooks looking to avoid getting shot now know which targets are soft and those who need weapons know where they can steal them.
“That was the most asinine article I’ve ever seen,” said Walter T. Shaw, 65, a former burglar and jewel thief who the FBI blames for more than 3,000 break-ins that netted some $70 million in the 1960s and 1970s. “Having a list of who has a gun is like gold - why rob that house when you can hit the one next door, where there are no guns?
"What they did was insanity," added Shaw, author of "License to Steal," a book about his criminal career.
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Inmates using newspaper's gun owner map to threaten guards, sheriff says
Published January 04, 2013 | FoxNews.com
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Law enforcement officials from a New York region where a local paper published a map identifying gun owners say prisoners are using the information to intimidate guards.
Rockland County Sheriff Louis Falco, who spoke at a news conference flanked by other county officials, said the Journal News' decision to post an online map of names and addresses of handgun owners Dec. 23 has put law enforcement officers in danger.
"They have inmates coming up to them and telling them exactly where they live. That's not acceptable to me," Falco said, according to Newsday.
Robert Riley, an officer with the White Plains Police Department and president of its Patrolman’s Benevolent Association, agreed.
"You have guys who work in New York City who live up here. Now their names and addresses are out there, too," he said adding that there are 8,000 active and retired NYPD officers currently living in Rockland County.
Local lawmakers also say that they intend to introduce legislation that prevents information about legal gun owners from being released to the public.
The newspaper published the online map last month alongside an article titled, "The gun owner next door: What you don't know about the weapons in your neighborhood." The map included the names and addresses of pistol permit holders in Westchester and Rockland counties obtained through a Freedom of Information Act request.
While the paper ostensibly sought to make a point about gun proliferation in the wake of the school shooting in Newtown, Conn., the effort may have backfired. A blogger reacted with a map showing where key editorial staffers live, and some outraged groups have called for a boycott of parent company Gannett’s national advertisers. Ironically, the newspaper has now stationed armed guards outside at least one of its offices.
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January 4, 2013
Outing the Gun Owners and the Left's New Savagery
By Robert Spencer
As Michael Walsh noted last week at PJ Media, the Westchester Journal News has published the name and addresses of legal gun owners in Westchester County, New York. While many have rightly upbraided the paper for endangering innocent people and giving criminals a map of homes without guns, the paper has stuck to its guns (so to speak!), not only defending its action but warning that more gun owners will soon be outed. And thus in a nutshell we see the Left's narcissistic, solipsistic and savage new moralism.
The Journal News editors believe that they are in the right to victimize Westchester gun owners, making them subject to possible vigilante attacks, legal harassment, and who knows what else, because they think they have the moral high ground, and are so morally obtuse as to assume that since they have that high ground, any action in its service is justified.
The American Left, which thoroughly dominates the mainstream media, no longer believes, if it ever did, in the concept of reasonable and respectable people disagreeing in good faith on core issues; it increasingly demonstrates that it believes all opposition to its own outlook and policies must never be tolerated, but only eradicated. Its opposition is never to be engaged on the level of ideas, but only ridiculed and held up as evil. The Left has done nothing but demonize its opposition for years. Organizations like Media Matters routinely repeat remarks made by conservative politicians and commentators as if they were obviously risible and/or morally offensive, without ever bothering to explain why or to offer a substantive refutation of any kind. They and others like them never debate or discuss issues, but only deal with their opposition with endless games of "gotcha" and searches for "gaffes."
After the Left has played such games for so long, this new level of savagery was perhaps inevitable. For the Westchester Journal News, owners of legal guns are evil, and thus have no rights they are bound to respect. For the Left in general, their opponents are evil, and so can and should even be put in physical danger if that is what is needed in order to bring about its silence and submission.
This savagery grows more common by the day, and doesn't extend only to gun owners. I myself have been on the receiving end of this thuggery because of my work in opposing the global jihad and Islamic supremacism -- as has my colleague Pamela Geller and other defenders of the freedom of speech and equality of rights for all people. A Leftist journalist named Nathan Lean, the editor-in-chief of Aslan Media, who has been published in the Los Angeles Times, Washington Post and New York Daily News, has sent me several tweets and emails containing personal information about myself: where he thinks I live, who he thinks my wife is, and more.
The purpose of these messages was unmistakable: Lean was signaling to me that he thought he knew my whereabouts (and that of my family), despite my attempts to conceal them because of the many death threats I receive. And why would he want me to think that he knew where I was? So that I would be frightened into silence, afraid that one of his many violence-inclined allies might do me in if I continued to speak out for freedom and human rights. Yet despite his appetite for menace, Lean had no trouble getting published in flagship mainstream media outlets -- which tells you a great deal about them.
In the 1930s, when the National Socialist German Worker's Party, aka the Nazi Party, was consolidating its power in Germany, its storm troopers regularly terrorized its opponents: showing up when they spoke to shout them down and intimidate them, vandalizing their messages, and sometimes attacking them outright. We are rapidly approaching the same situation in America today, as the Left's demonization of its opponents descends to this menacing new level.
The Westchester Journal News does not have the moral high ground, and never did. Any doubt about that was removed when it published the addresses of the gun owners. But soon thuggish demonstrators outside the homes of those gun owners and others targeted by the Left will be a commonplace of American life. And the next step after that will be even worse: it is only going to get more dangerous -- physically and in other ways as well -- to oppose the policies of those who style themselves our moral superiors. With four more years of Obama coming, there is no stopping them now.
Robert Spencer is the director of Jihad Watch and author of the New York Times bestsellers The Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam (and the Crusades) and The Truth About Muhammad. His latest book is Did Muhammad Exist?.
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