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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Matt C on April 26, 2007, 08:37:04 PM
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Discuss.
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do you know if he is or are you just asking us?
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your friend appears to be a slightly mutated daddywaddy.
so i would say if he's anything like the genuine article, he's all drugs. just... not performance-enhancing drugs.
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Is he short? Short guys with good genetics = thick. He looks like your typical short dude, with solid genetics to build muscle. Looks natty to me.
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=144476.0;attach=161189;image)
Most of the touching and smirking in this picture is entirely unnecessary.
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Why do you ask about your "friend"?
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Why do you ask about your "friend"?
lol
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on and for couple years,,but its a sad on,,its an on that doesnt put everything into training,,its an on that concentrate on looking nice for the 18 year old misguided whores
this is what i call,,i wanna impress you type of look,,but it can never be impressive because the time in the gym wasnt payed
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Interesting. In the gym he seems fairly intense, but one thing I do notice about him is that he drinks whenever he feels like it, and I'm not saying he's worse for that than the average 25 year old, but for comparison's sake, I would lose most of my gains if that was me. He can also slack off on diet and still keep the gains. He says his legs are not on par with his upper body.
Somebody photoshop the penis of the dude lying down in my friend's fist lol.
Welcome to the world of genetics. Life's a bitch ain't it?
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Welcome to the world of genetics. Life's a bitch ain't it?
not genetics,,has nothing to do with it
ephedra,,caffeine and aspirin to keep bf% low,,
eq and some test or if scared of needles then anadrol/dbol and winstrol
if the 2 rules above are followed you can sit and eat china buffet all day long and you will walk around with this level of physiqe,,ofcourse you need to show up in the gym 3 times a week at night
diet dont matter when the 2 first rules i mentioned are followed,,you can get on the dirtyiest food!!! to 10% bodyfat with decent size following the advice i just given you
many did it,,many do it,,,im as a pro sometimes eat garbage you wont believe and i keep 7-8% due to the 2 first rules i mentioned followed to the t
and also dont buy anything someone tell you about ephedrine not burning fat continuesly because ephedrine is THE SINGLE KEY TO LOOK RIPPED WHILE MAINTAINING SIZE!
im hungry im going drink some allmax isonatural,,try it you will like,,i dont usually recomend stuff unless its worth it
**i would like to add that what i said above is NOT the way to get down to 4-5%,,you DO NEED CLEAN DIET FOR THAT TO HAPPEN IN ADDITION TO DRUGS
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in the beach pic he has a good thick chest so his built look filled out because of his super narrow clavicules
in the ripped pics he looks nothing special
his arms have a good shape to them in the last pic but not "huge"
I'd say he is natural with pretty good genetics, I have a friend who takes nothing and have this look
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He claims his arms are 16" which is the same measurement as mine and his look much larger. His chest is thick like you said and his abs are deep. I think it might just be a few standout muscles that really grab the eyes so I can see him being natural, but I wanted to hear what the experts on here had to say.
IMO, he is natural, his muscles just have a good shape to them and that make him more impressive
my arms are 17 inches and they look way smaller than your friend's
it's all about muscle shape
bodybuilding is an illusion 8)
I'd say that he could very well be natural or maybe he done a couple of bottles of D-Bol :)
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looks natural. Matt you'd look like that if you dieted down.
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no he wouldn't
matt isn't as thick
but he is a lot wider tho, that's a good thing
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that's the cool thing when you have a wide frame
it takes a lot of time and drugs to fill out your frame but when you do you look thick, round and you dwarf the guys like your friend
Gunter looks awesome, especially with clothes on
he looks big and round from everywhere
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Good chest other than that nothing to brag about. People can call him "juicy" all day long when in actual fact if I saw this guy in normal clothes he would just be known as "shorty".
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LOL!!!
I was wondering, what is the cutoff for "short"? ??? I guess it is all relatively but I would assume anything at or above the median height is not considered short. Discuss.
PS - the general populace would call a baseball player with 13" arms "juicy".
I see 5'9 as average height, anything below that is short.
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Matt do you think your friend is cute?
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I don't see why that seems unreal as a natural. Dieted down at 170 is no great feat. I think you probably hope he is on gear to valid your own gains maybe? Usually people are quick to say someone is on gear, when they are surpassed by someone who is natural. Except me, I call people on gear who look like shit usually..haha Guy looks good though, but a little small at 170lbs when cut up. He'll probably get to 200lbs in a few more years of training. Imagine is he had my diet. :o
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Old on.. phone...
Yup. Care bear called back: Apparently, nobody give a shit.
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Tell your friend, I'm planning to come to his stinky town, and kill all his greasy friends.
Thank you.
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I don't see why that seems unreal as a natural. Dieted down at 170 is no great feat. I think you probably hope he is on gear to valid your own gains maybe? Usually people are quick to say someone is on gear, when they are surpassed by someone who is natural. Except me, I call people on gear who look like shit usually..haha Guy looks good though, but a little small at 170lbs when cut up. He'll probably get to 200lbs in a few more years of training. Imagine is he had my diet. :o
why do i get the feeling that you're going to leap to the defense of this guy because it calls into question your own natural status, mr "i swear i only did a tiny cycle a while ago but i'm totally clean now"? :)
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looks natural to me - shorter guys have an easier time filling out their frames and looking thicker at a lighter bw - what this guy is displaying is totally achieveable naturally....Croatch however is probably juicing (but you all know that)
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Looks natty to me.
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i know heaps of natural guys looking like that. nothing special. if he is juicing he should definitely demand his money back ;)
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god let's hope he's clean looking like that.
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he is natural, geesh, so obvious.
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nobody knows but the guy himself.
get him wasted and search his appartment if you want to know so badly 8)
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Matt, hatred and jealousy and not very healthy emotions
they will destroy you from the inside out.
why don't you focus more on you and the directions your life is taking instead of collecting pictures of another guy
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All drugs.
Croatch surely looks more likely to be juiced than your friend.
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Excellent cutoff. ;D
I would say anything below 5' 9'' 1/16 is short, anything above is normal or even tall. ;D
-Hedge
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I don't see why that seems unreal as a natural. Dieted down at 170 is no great feat. I think you probably hope he is on gear to valid your own gains maybe? Usually people are quick to say someone is on gear, when they are surpassed by someone who is natural. Except me, I call people on gear who look like shit usually..haha Guy looks good though, but a little small at 170lbs when cut up. He'll probably get to 200lbs in a few more years of training. Imagine is he had my diet. :o
Always looking for a chance to talk about yourself and your natural physique.
Funny, You seem insecure.
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not genetics,,has nothing to do with it
ephedra,,caffeine and aspirin to keep bf% low,,
eq and some test or if scared of needles then anadrol/dbol and winstrol
if the 2 rules above are followed you can sit and eat china buffet all day long and you will walk around with this level of physiqe,,ofcourse you need to show up in the gym 3 times a week at night
diet dont matter when the 2 first rules i mentioned are followed,,you can get on the dirtyiest food!!! to 10% bodyfat with decent size following the advice i just given you
many did it,,many do it,,,im as a pro sometimes eat garbage you wont believe and i keep 7-8% due to the 2 first rules i mentioned followed to the t
and also dont buy anything someone tell you about ephedrine not burning fat continuesly because ephedrine is THE SINGLE KEY TO LOOK RIPPED WHILE MAINTAINING SIZE!
im hungry im going drink some allmax isonatural,,try it you will like,,i dont usually recomend stuff unless its worth it
**i would like to add that what i said above is NOT the way to get down to 4-5%,,you DO NEED CLEAN DIET FOR THAT TO HAPPEN IN ADDITION TO DRUGS
Listen the newbies may fall for your BS but I can see right through it so go play on another board where people will believe the garbage you spout off.
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why isnt anyone answering the question? My answer is Yes, your friend is juicing.
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I'll say no. No real jucing signs. Probably good genetics. His poor training and binging will come back to bite him in the ass, so take heart Matt, and wait for the crash.
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Looks like a pile of dogshit if you ask me..... if he is juicing then he needs to get his money back.
Seriously, if they lift properly...the best way to tell is by looking at thier glutes...try it in the gym. ::)
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Looks like a pile of dogshit if you ask me..... if he is juicing then he needs to get his money back.
Seriously, if they lift properly...the best way to tell is by looking at thier glutes...try it in the gym. ::)
Sounds really gay,
but what does that mean?
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Sounds really gay,
but what does that mean?
it suppose to sound gay hahaha
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not genetics,,has nothing to do with it
ephedra,,caffeine and aspirin to keep bf% low,,
eq and some test or if scared of needles then anadrol/dbol and winstrol
if the 2 rules above are followed you can sit and eat china buffet all day long and you will walk around with this level of physiqe,,ofcourse you need to show up in the gym 3 times a week at night
diet dont matter when the 2 first rules i mentioned are followed,,you can get on the dirtyiest food!!! to 10% bodyfat with decent size following the advice i just given you
many did it,,many do it,,,im as a pro sometimes eat garbage you wont believe and i keep 7-8% due to the 2 first rules i mentioned followed to the t
and also dont buy anything someone tell you about ephedrine not burning fat continuesly because ephedrine is THE SINGLE KEY TO LOOK RIPPED WHILE MAINTAINING SIZE!
im hungry im going drink some allmax isonatural,,try it you will like,,i dont usually recomend stuff unless its worth it
**i would like to add that what i said above is NOT the way to get down to 4-5%,,you DO NEED CLEAN DIET FOR THAT TO HAPPEN IN ADDITION TO DRUGS
Every time I swear off Bronkaid you say some shit like this and I take another... ;D
LOL @ ",,its a sad on,,"
hahahahahhahahahaha
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He claims his arms are 16" which is the same measurement as mine and his look much larger. His chest is thick like you said and his abs are deep. I think it might just be a few standout muscles that really grab the eyes so I can see him being natural, but I wanted to hear what the experts on here had to say.
his arms don't look as big as yours Matt, IMO you look far more impressive than this guy going on the puctures of you hitting the rear double biceps shot wearing jeans, this guy has a good chest but that's all i see that's impressive to be honest.
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it suppose to sound gay hahaha
As gay as your 400 dollar jeans and those toddler shirts you wear.
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croatch is the biggest juicer on getbig
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Matt do you think your friend is cute?
This is the reason for the thread. Lots of pics taken. "Compact muscle machine?" :-*
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This is the reason for the thread. "Comparct muscle machine?" :-*
MattC loves his men rich, young, strong, and short.
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What a bunch of dorks. ;)
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That would be good to look like him. I'm starting to think that my goals are attainable without drugs. I'm not 100% on that, but I think I could do it either naturally or with a few light cycles.
Once you go off you lose any gains so why bother?
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I would say anything below 5' 9'' 1/16 is short, anything above is normal or even tall. ;D
-Hedge
I'm 6'1"...5'9" is still short for a guy :-X (unless he's got lot's of muscles then he appears bigger in my book)!!
:-*
Lisa
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MattC loves his men rich, young, strong, and short.
At ease solider, you dont have to project your repressed 'dont ask dont tell' feelings all over getbig...I sure you can storm into an Iraqi village and have one of your 'privates' cover you while you ravage a camel jockey with your specialized form of interrogaytion.
hahaha oh brother, Srg. D is the type of soldier to give a presentation to the troops on how to suck the venom out from a scorpian sting by using a camel's penis as his prop. "Take this camel, now say his dick was private seths arm, what you want to do is use your lips to seal the point of impact and squeeze the surrounding area as such to make the sucking much more effective." hahahha gayer than boot camps shower stalls hahahahha
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As gay as your 400 dollar jeans and those toddler shirts you wear.
Correction, 450 dollar jeans. ;)
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Old on.. phone...
Yup. Care bear called back: Apparently, nobody give a shit.
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Correction, 450 dollar jeans. ;)
are those bugle boys your wearing ? this pic is so old it was taken by jesus.
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are those bugle boys your wearing ? this pic is so old it was taken by jesus.
ahahaha gay sox
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ahahaha gay sox
i guess your not a fan of knee highs ?
brutal wigwams....ballerina class must of been later after his 'hike'
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are those bugle boys your wearing ? this pic is so old it was taken by jesus.
I rather look like that than wear these my friend Jaejonna. Did you wear these picking up guys at "Club Zen"?
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the best way to tell is by looking at thier glutes...try it in the gym. ::)
true, the traps too.
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I rather look like that than wear these my friend Jaejonna.
ahah keep telling yourself that, of course you would rather look like the guy in the pic from 1952... lets seen an update 'bmacsys' ....hahahahah of course you wont....
everyone knows your my little bitch old man...we should meet somewhere in the city so i can punch your lights out. try me
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ahah keep telling yourself that, of course you would rather look like the guy in the pic from 1952... lets seen an update 'bmacsys' ....hahahahah of course you wont....
everyone knows your my little bitch old man...we should meet somewhere in the city so i can punch your lights out. try me
hahahaha, epic internet threats. ::)
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hahahaha, epic internet threats. ::)
hahah damn you spoiled it...ive said this thing before, bmacys gets all riled up and starts PMing me...
"Where !! Im there bitch " hahahah
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hahah damn you spoiled it...ive said this thing before, bmacys gets all riled up and starts PMing me...
"Where !! Im there bitch " hahahah
Oh, forgot this complimentary photo. Sorry. ;)
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hahah damn you spoiled it...ive said this thing before, bmacys gets all riled up and starts PMing me...
"Where !! Im there bitch " hahahah
that should tell you that the man isn't afraid of fighting you, what does that tell you?
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Oh, forgot this complimentary photo. Sorry. ;)
You guys are cruel
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hahahaha, epic internet threats. ::)
Only an invalid would be afraid of this guy. Well maybe not ahahah! Anyway, what kind of a guy talks to himself in threads using another identity to back himself up- a coward maybe?
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that should tell you that the man isn't afraid of fighting you, what does that tell you?
it tells me that the man is at his wits end, pursuing an interent fight as a way of some sort of validating his existence on this planet because once the turns off the computer its back to living with a whore of a wife, two retarded kids and a 60 year old uncle who still sneaks into his room at night after a long night at the bar. He has nothing to loose is what that tells me. Quite pathetic, his only comebacks are him making fun of me cause I spend $$$, sorry not all of us here cut coupons on 'double days'.
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not genetics,,has nothing to do with it
ephedra,,caffeine and aspirin to keep bf% low,,
eq and some test or if scared of needles then anadrol/dbol and winstrol
if the 2 rules above are followed you can sit and eat china buffet all day long and you will walk around with this level of physiqe,,ofcourse you need to show up in the gym 3 times a week at night
diet dont matter when the 2 first rules i mentioned are followed,,you can get on the dirtyiest food!!! to 10% bodyfat with decent size following the advice i just given you
many did it,,many do it,,,im as a pro sometimes eat garbage you wont believe and i keep 7-8% due to the 2 first rules i mentioned followed to the t
and also dont buy anything someone tell you about ephedrine not burning fat continuesly because ephedrine is THE SINGLE KEY TO LOOK RIPPED WHILE MAINTAINING SIZE!
im hungry im going drink some allmax isonatural,,try it you will like,,i dont usually recomend stuff unless its worth it
**i would like to add that what i said above is NOT the way to get down to 4-5%,,you DO NEED CLEAN DIET FOR THAT TO HAPPEN IN ADDITION TO DRUGS
please explain what a "proper diet" would be. i just want to get this straight, as long as you are eating relatively low gi foods and consuming enough calories or more than maintainance with 1.5-2gram protein a day you should be making progress right?
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He claims to be natural. He is Shawn's height and about 165-170 in contest condition. He is 200 offseason.
He is a compact muscle machine. I only think the first and last pictures really do him justice although the back shot (at around 165) goes to show the kind of condition he holds year round.
Discuss.
Classic Winstrol build.
That was me when I was 22.
PB
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please explain what a "proper diet" would be. i just want to get this straight, as long as you are eating relatively low gi foods and consuming enough calories or more than maintainance with 1.5-2gram protein a day you should be making progress right?
i think if you are juicing you need a higher protein cunsumption than that since your protein synthesis is much higher. 2 grams is allright for a naturall i guess. juicer 3.5-5 grams
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What a bunch of dorks. ;)
why is he flexing his arm?????????
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Matt, you seem very insecure.
seriously, why post pics of your 'friend' on a message board and put him on the spot?
by the sounds of things your friend doesn't take himself as seriously as you do ie he drinks and eats what he wants and tells you he has 16 inch arms and weak legs (he could have given you an inflated measurement like all the other insecure bbers) so why are you taking him so seriously.
i mean, why do you obsess about him so much that you've got all these pics and want to know if he's on steroids so bad that you talk about him and post his pics ??? come to think of it, why do you care at all whether he's on steroids or built better than you?
here's an idea, get on with your own life and training and work with what you've got...
but unfortunately it goes deeper than that doesn't it Matt?
it seems every post you talk more and more about gunter and how good he looks, etc and other 'handsome' male bbers like milos, etc and how you want to look like them, etc.
wtf is wrong with you boy? you're either really fucking weird (obsessed with other guy's looks and wanting to be like them) or your gay or both.
if you're just gay, no problem, there are plenty of you out there and i'm sure you'll find much relief by just admitting it.
the other thing is going to take some psychiatric treatment.
just trying to help bud.
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You guys are quite the homo tribe. You should petition Congress for 1000 acres of free land and build a casino.
poker - doggie
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Matt do you think your "friend" appreciates that you(out of jealosy) post pictures of him on getbig?
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it tells me that the man is at his wits end, pursuing an interent fight as a way of some sort of validating his existence on this planet because once the turns off the computer its back to living with a whore of a wife, two retarded kids and a 60 year old uncle who still sneaks into his room at night after a long night at the bar. He has nothing to loose is what that tells me. Quite pathetic, his only comebacks are him making fun of me cause I spend $$$, sorry not all of us here cut coupons on 'double days'.
melt........down. Sorry about making you cry again. Oh, my wife does use coupons.
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I don't see why that seems unreal as a natural. Dieted down at 170 is no great feat. I think you probably hope he is on gear to valid your own gains maybe? Usually people are quick to say someone is on gear, when they are surpassed by someone who is natural. Except me, I call people on gear who look like shit usually..haha Guy looks good though, but a little small at 170lbs when cut up. He'll probably get to 200lbs in a few more years of training. Imagine is he had my diet. :o
You don't have to be huge to be on gear, my friend. There are different drugs that do different things. Guys that look like shit on drugs are perfect examples of how NOT to use them CORRECTLY.
PB
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Matt, you seem very insecure.
seriously, why post pics of your 'friend' on a message board and put him on the spot?
Jealousy. I was thinking the exact same thing. :-\
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He claims to be natural. He is Shawn's height and about 165-170 in contest condition. He is 200 offseason.
He is a compact muscle machine. I only think the first and last pictures really do him justice although the back shot (at around 165) goes to show the kind of condition he holds year round.
Discuss.
huge -he is live in miami
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Matt, you seem very insecure.
seriously, why post pics of your 'friend' on a message board and put him on the spot?
by the sounds of things your friend doesn't take himself as seriously as you do ie he drinks and eats what he wants and tells you he has 16 inch arms and weak legs (he could have given you an inflated measurement like all the other insecure bbers) so why are you taking him so seriously.
i mean, why do you obsess about him so much that you've got all these pics and want to know if he's on steroids so bad that you talk about him and post his pics ??? come to think of it, why do you care at all whether he's on steroids or built better than you?
here's an idea, get on with your own life and training and work with what you've got...
but unfortunately it goes deeper than that doesn't it Matt?
it seems every post you talk more and more about gunter and how good he looks, etc and other 'handsome' male bbers like milos, etc and how you want to look like them, etc.
wtf is wrong with you boy? you're either really fucking weird (obsessed with other guy's looks and wanting to be like them) or your gay or both.
if you're just gay, no problem, there are plenty of you out there and i'm sure you'll find much relief by just admitting it.
the other thing is going to take some psychiatric treatment.
just trying to help bud.
Fawwwwwkkkkkkk :o :o :o,
Someone is gonna need a cup of hot chocolate and a warm pillow, after reading this!! ;D
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All drugs. ;D
Yes, there are a number of handsome bodybuilders I would like to look like - but not Gunter because we are too different. How can I try to emulate him when he is 6'2 and blonde and I am 5'9 and brunette? 5'11 Milos and Frank McGrath, 5'10 Dennis Newman, and 5'9 Frank Zane are bodybuilders who I would aspire to. Not that it makes a realistic goal but it's a nice idea.
I don't meet the psychological criteria for insecurity or having any personality disorders though. I know myself well and can tell you I'm happy in the skin I'm in. It just so happens I admire to the bodybuilders listed above as well as others.
I asked my friend's permission to post these pictures before doing so. I wanted to make sure it was ok with him and he told me to get back with getbig's opinion on his status.
you dwarf your friend IMO, Matt, the only thing he has on you is chest.
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Matt, you seem very insecure.
seriously, why post pics of your 'friend' on a message board and put him on the spot?
by the sounds of things your friend doesn't take himself as seriously as you do ie he drinks and eats what he wants and tells you he has 16 inch arms and weak legs (he could have given you an inflated measurement like all the other insecure bbers) so why are you taking him so seriously.
i mean, why do you obsess about him so much that you've got all these pics and want to know if he's on steroids so bad that you talk about him and post his pics ??? come to think of it, why do you care at all whether he's on steroids or built better than you?
here's an idea, get on with your own life and training and work with what you've got...
but unfortunately it goes deeper than that doesn't it Matt?
it seems every post you talk more and more about gunter and how good he looks, etc and other 'handsome' male bbers like milos, etc and how you want to look like them, etc.
wtf is wrong with you boy? you're either really fucking weird (obsessed with other guy's looks and wanting to be like them) or your gay or both.
if you're just gay, no problem, there are plenty of you out there and i'm sure you'll find much relief by just admitting it.
the other thing is going to take some psychiatric treatment.
just trying to help bud.
Matt C = a cool guy.
Stay off his nuts bozo.
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All drugs. ;D
Yes, there are a number of handsome bodybuilders I would like to look like - but not Gunter because we are too different. How can I try to emulate him when he is 6'2 and blonde and I am 5'9 and brunette? 5'11 Milos and Frank McGrath, 5'10 Dennis Newman, and 5'9 Frank Zane are bodybuilders who I would aspire to. Not that it makes a realistic goal but it's a nice idea.
I don't meet the psychological criteria for insecurity or having any personality disorders though. I know myself well and can tell you I'm happy in the skin I'm in. It just so happens I admire to the bodybuilders listed above as well as others.
I asked my friend's permission to post these pictures before doing so. I wanted to make sure it was ok with him and he told me to get back with getbig's opinion on his status.
did you just call yourself "brunette"?
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i know people that juice that are smaller and natty's (self included) that are bigger...
hope this helps
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I wonder why there are no pros from South America, Asia and places like that, where steroids and other drugs are so easily obtained. This contradicts the theory that bodybuilding is all about drugs. In Mexico, you can walk right into a drugstore and purchase pharmaceutical-grade anabolics very cheapily. Where are the Mexican pros? Bodybuilders elsewhere take tons of drugs, and yet you never see pro-level of muscularity among them.
I lived in South America for years and I worked out at a gym where practically every guy was taking tremendous quantities of drugs, and let me tell you that the biggest of them would have a hard time getting a call-out at a local NPC show. This contradicts Matt C's theory that it's all about sauce. Did Dorian and Ronnie take more steroids than your average NPC competitor? I don't think so.
I have observed that practically all truly successful pros, like Shawn Ray, Levrone, Labrada, etc, and especially Mr.Olympias like Dorian, Lee Haney and Ronnie, tend to be dedicated to bodybuilding to the point of obsessiveness: they will train 'till they puke, starve themselves, prepare all year long for a single contest, organize their entire lives around their workouts, etc. The pros who are lazy usually don't go far no matter how good their genetics are or how many drugs they take - look at Cormier, Dillet, Wheeler, etc.
It most definitely is not all about drugs. Don't believe what a guy who's bitter at his own lack of development, like Matt C, or a steroid dealer, like GH 15, tells you. Mr.Olympias have in common that they are 100% dedicated and train with ferocious intensity; the many injuries suffered by Dorian and the poundages that Ronnie uses are testament that the laurels of victory goes to the bigger man, and not the one with the biggest syringe... :)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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SUCKMYMUSCLE - I am just joking around with TA's popularized saying. I know it is not just all drugs. :)
I was 30 pounds heavier than him at one point and I thought he looked bigger and when I talked to him he said it was all about illusion. I think his proportions work in such a way where he always looks thick and full.
Yeah, yeah, you get the idea. ;D My hair is shit brown while Gunter is a blonde Aryan stature. My point was it's hard to strive to look like that. 8)
that's what i'm talking about, why do you strive to look like anyone?
seriously, i'm not breaking your balls here, but i just don't get this. i understand bbers training to make their own bodies more powerful, stronger, faster, muscular, etc, etc, but to look like someone else ??? that seems a little freaky to me, especially when you're talking about facial features, shape, height, etc.
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I wonder why there are no pros from South America, Asia and places like that, where steroids and other drugs are so easily obtained. This contradicts the theory that bodybuilding is all about drugs. In Mexico, you can walk right into a drugstore and purchase pharmaceutical-grade anabolics very cheapily. Where are the Mexican pros? Bodybuilders elsewhere take tons of drugs, and yet you never see pro-level of muscularity among them.
I lived in South America for years and I worked out at a gym where practically every guy was taking tremendous quantities of drugs, and let me tell you that the biggest of them would have a hard time getting a call-out at a local NPC show. This contradicts Matt C's theory that it's all about sauce. Did Dorian and Ronnie take more steroids than your average NPC competitor? I don't think so.
I have observed that practically all truly successful pros, like Shawn Ray, Levrone, Labrada, etc, and especially Mr.Olympias like Dorian, Lee Haney and Ronnie, tend to be dedicated to bodybuilding to the point of obsessiveness: they will train 'till they puke, starve themselves, prepare all year long for a single contest, organize their entire lives around their workouts, etc. The pros who are lazy usually don't go far no matter how good their genetics are or how many drugs they take - look at Cormier, Dillet, Wheeler, etc.
It most definitely is not all about drugs. Don't believe what a guy who's bitter at his own lack of development, like Matt C, or a steroid dealer, like GH 15, tells you. Mr.Olympias have in common that they are 100% dedicated and train with ferocious intensity; the many injuries suffered by Dorian and the poundages that Ronnie uses are testament that the laurels of victory goes to the bigger man, and not the one with the biggest syringe... :)
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hey hey hey dont involve me in this crap,,I ALWAYS SAY YOU NEED A LOT MORE THAN DRUGS TO MAKE IT TO THE TOP OF THE INDUSTRY AND THE TOP OF THE INDUSTRY IS PRO CARD HOLDERS AND TOP AMATUERS WHO PLACE 2-5 IN NATIONALS USA ETC
ofcourse you need more than drugs duhhhhh,,you need symetry you need disapline you need time and lots of it,,you need good base that was achieved with out drugs,,you need genetics and then you also need lots of drugs as in consistency of being hormonized so you can build on it
the best bodybuilders are NOT THE ONES WITH THE BIGGEST ARMS! THE BEST BODYBUILDERS ARE THE ONES WHO HAVE EVERYTHING SYMETRIC AND IN PROPORTION,,THE ONES WHO CAN PRESENT A COMPLETE PACKAGE OF DEVELOPED MUSCLES WHILE AT LOW BODYFAT%%%%%%%%%% ,,,THOSE GUYS CAN BE FOUND AT 190 LB 200LB 220LB ETC WAY BEFORE THEY TURN INTO WALKING 280LB BEASTS,,
IT IS VERY VERY EASY TO WALK AROUND AT 250LB OF CRAP WHILE HORMONIZED,,,IT IS VERY VERY HARD TO WALK AROUND WITH 200LB OF QUALITY,, THE MOMENT YOU GET TO THOSE 200LB OF QUALITY IS THE MOMENT YOU BECOME A BODYBUILDER!
30-32 INCH WAIST WITH 6 PACK DIALED IN WITH 17 INCH ARMS ON A 5'10 GUY THAT WEIGHT 200LB WITH SYMETRIC PHYSIQE WILL LOOK 1000 TIMES BETTER AND MORE IMPRESSIVE THAN HIS 5'10 GYM BUD THAT WALKS AROUND WITH 36-38 INCH WAIST WITH 19-20 INCH ARMS AND NO PECS TO TALK ABOUT OR NO LATS OR NO WHEELS,,,
one thing you do need to remember though my friends,,,WE ALL TAKE DRUGS CONSISTENTLY AND NEVER EVER NEVER OFF COMPLETELY OF EVERYTHING,,LIAR IS THE ONE WHO TELLS YOU ANY DIFF,,
A VERY GOOD FITNESS MODEL FRIEND OF MINE,,,VERY VERY FEMILIAR AND PRETTY SMALL INREGARDS TO BODYBUILDING SIZE AS OF 2007,, IS GOING NOW FRATILITY THERAPY BECAUSE HE AND HIS SOON TO BE WIFE WANT A BABY....THAT SHOULD TELL YOU SOMETHING
WE ALL TAKE DRUGS C O N S I S T E N T L Y FROM THE FITNESS MODEL TO THE BODYBUILDER.
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Matt what the hell happend to your body in that pic dude? And please dont blame it on the jacket bro!!!
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Check out gordiano's comment about Milos here:
http://forum.bodybuildingpro.com/showthread.php?t=3544
That's what I'm talking about. I never liked the idea of having game, and I find that the more muscular I become, the less game I need. I know that dating experts would love to have us all believe that some 300 pound guy who stinks could get babes as long as he has game, but it doesn't work like that. How you look has so much to do with it. Being muscular helps tremendously. As gay as it is for me to admire all of these bodybuilders, I do so because I know that looking like that = lots and lots of babes!!
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LOL. What a sad statement. As shallow as world he inhabits. :-\
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LOL. What a sad statement. As shallow as world he inhabits. :-\
I disagree. That would imply that I am out to get model caliber girls who are fake from head to toe. I always have considered a huge variety of girls to be attractive and can see the beauty in almost girl - as long as she isn't incredibly rude or a flake. I don't have a particular type or anything. Not to mention there are tons of hot girls I wouldn't give the time of day if they flaked out on me, and there are a lot of girls who may not meet some mainstream physical ideal who I am very big fans of because they are sweet gals.
That having been said, you are right - it is a shallow world we inhabit. My personality hasn't changed in any significant way since I was 18, but now that I am considerably more muscular I have no problems getting girls. When I started working out at 18, I realized how shallow the world was. I knew that the most efficient way for any girl to see me for who I am was to initially take notice.
If I failed the initial physical screening, what chance would I have? :-\ So shortly before turning 19, I took part in a healthy lifestyle that has enriched me in every possible way - no regrets. Women are carnal beasts just like men. They fall in love with their eyes just like men.
Look at this comment that was posted on my facebook wall:
"Hey you are looking good a far cry from the highschool days, always thought you would be the next Bill Gates. LOL!!! Yeah Hamm sucked but I have come to the conclusion that College is worse since I have been here 6 years and have 2 diplomas and no job. So Iherd through a littlie birdie you were a bouncer....where are you and what else have you been upto other getting ripped?"
See? Incidentally it wasn't all in my imagination. :)
Doesn't get "cooler" than that. Please tell me that pic was early 90's ???
1991. ;D
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the guy has no-size whatsoever, he's a skinny no-size sman.
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I disagree. That would imply that I am out to get model caliber girls who are fake from head to toe. I always have considered a huge variety of girls to be attractive and can see the beauty in almost girl - as long as she isn't incredibly rude or a flake. I don't have a particular type or anything. Not to mention there are tons of hot girls I wouldn't give the time of day if they flaked out on me, and there are a lot of girls who may not meet some mainstream physical ideal who I am very big fans of because they are sweet gals.
That having been said, you are right - it is a shallow world we inhabit. My personality hasn't changed in any significant way since I was 18, but now that I am considerably more muscular I have no problems getting girls. When I started working out at 18, I realized how shallow the world was. I knew that the most efficient way for any girl to see me for who I am was to initially take notice.
If I failed the initial physical screening, what chance would I have? :-\ So shortly before turning 19, I took part in a healthy lifestyle that has enriched me in every possible way - no regrets. Women are carnal beasts just like men. They fall in love with their eyes just like men.
Look at this comment that was posted on my facebook wall:
"Hey you are looking good a far cry from the highschool days, always thought you would be the next Bill Gates. LOL!!! Yeah Hamm sucked but I have come to the conclusion that College is worse since I have been here 6 years and have 2 diplomas and no job. So Iherd through a littlie birdie you were a bouncer....where are you and what else have you been upto other getting ripped?"
See? Incidentally it wasn't all in my imagination. :)
1991. ;D
nah, i don't share your view of the world.
i understand where you're coming from and i appreciate your honesty and candour, but if i was to believe that everything came down to how i looked, then i wouldn't want any of it. superficial bs, you can keep it.
i train hard to be strong, fast, powerful and fit for me and what i want to accomplish (career), no one else. i am very satisfied with how look. i don't look at others and wish i was them or looked like them or had what they had.
envy sucks big time. you are basically saying that it all comes down to looks and those with more, win.
what if you have a car accident or get sick or something and lose your looks ???
i guess you'd be pretty well fucked if that happened. :-\
get yourself a 'babe' that likes you for who you are, not what you have otherwise you're going to end up very depressed. the way you're operating now is, say you get said babe from how your looks, someone comes along with better looks/more money/whatever than you, babe is gone with him. that's what happens in a superficial world.
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ALL DRUGS
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I disagree. That would imply that I am out to get model caliber girls who are fake from head to toe. I always have considered a huge variety of girls to be attractive and can see the beauty in almost girl - as long as she isn't incredibly rude or a flake. I don't have a particular type or anything. Not to mention there are tons of hot girls I wouldn't give the time of day if they flaked out on me, and there are a lot of girls who may not meet some mainstream physical ideal who I am very big fans of because they are sweet gals.
That having been said, you are right - it is a shallow world we inhabit. My personality hasn't changed in any significant way since I was 18, but now that I am considerably more muscular I have no problems getting girls. When I started working out at 18, I realized how shallow the world was. I knew that the most efficient way for any girl to see me for who I am was to initially take notice.
If I failed the initial physical screening, what chance would I have? :-\ So shortly before turning 19, I took part in a healthy lifestyle that has enriched me in every possible way - no regrets. Women are carnal beasts just like men. They fall in love with their eyes just like men.
Look at this comment that was posted on my facebook wall:
"Hey you are looking good a far cry from the highschool days, always thought you would be the next Bill Gates. LOL!!! Yeah Hamm sucked but I have come to the conclusion that College is worse since I have been here 6 years and have 2 diplomas and no job. So Iherd through a littlie birdie you were a bouncer....where are you and what else have you been upto other getting ripped?"
See? Incidentally it wasn't all in my imagination. :)
1991. ;D
Wow. What a screed. I should call 'meltdown.' ;) However, I guess the point I was trying to make, in essence, was that if you are training for what others think of you, you're probably selling yourself short, both workout-wise and spiritually, as your results will always be determined by someone other than Matt C. That sounds a bit hoity-toity; I don't mean it to be.
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1991. ;D
wouldn't that make you like 9 or 10 years old in that pic?
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why do i get the feeling that you're going to leap to the defense of this guy because it calls into question your own natural status, mr "i swear i only did a tiny cycle a while ago but i'm totally clean now"? Smiley
No, it wasn't a tiny cycle, it was a pretty big one actually for 2 months. The funny thing about guys you like you is, you wish I were on drugs to validate your own gains maybe? Unfortunately, the closet thing I take to steroids is glutamine. Keep in mind, not everyone has the same genetics, work ethic, and consistent effort over a period of years. Don't be hard on yourself, not many can get semi jacked without the use of gear. Good luck. ;)
One thing I love about this site, 2nd rate juicers telling me what I do and don't do...brilliant! I see jokers every day I lift and believe me, few can achieve anything without drug use. It's pretty pathetic. I know where my gains come from and in the end, it's all that really matters. Trust me, I'd be irritated if I juiced and someone dusted my gains without using drugs to attain them. It can't be a great feeling knowing your physique is based on drug use. I've never seen the great accomplishment in it.
Remember...getting jacked on roids, is like getting fat from eating pizza...neither are hard to do.
Hope this helps.
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nah, i don't share your view of the world.
i understand where you're coming from and i appreciate your honesty and candour, but if i was to believe that everything came down to how i looked, then i wouldn't want any of it. superficial bs, you can keep it.
i train hard to be strong, fast, powerful and fit for me and what i want to accomplish (career), no one else. i am very satisfied with how look. i don't look at others and wish i was them or looked like them or had what they had.
envy sucks big time. you are basically saying that it all comes down to looks and those with more, win.
what if you have a car accident or get sick or something and lose your looks ???
i guess you'd be pretty well fucked if that happened. :-\
get yourself a 'babe' that likes you for who you are, not what you have otherwise you're going to end up very depressed. the way you're operating now is, say you get said babe from how your looks, someone comes along with better looks/more money/whatever than you, babe is gone with him. that's what happens in a superficial world.
Take Dennis Newman for instance. As soon as he lost all his muscle due to leukemia, his girlfriend dumped him. :-\
I can say that both as a student of psychology and an observer of social behaviour, that better looking and better built men will fare better in all aspects of life than their less good looking and less fit peers. :-\ Better looking waitresses will get better tips than their less good looking co-workers. I can cite tons of peer reviewed scientific papers in psychology journals which prove all of this. That is just the world we live in.
I know that with absolutely 0 change to my personality EVERYTHING in my life has come together now that I am less geeky looking and more muscular. Like everyone in life, I respond to the direct incentives in front of me. I only wish more people could have seen me for who I was back in the day. I knew they didn't and I knew the best way for me to get what I wanted out of life was to change my appearance physically and it worked. I am still the exact same person that I used to be. I just have a different shell and because of that, everyone in my life seems to think the sun shines on me. Follow me around for a day and you would see that. Whereas before, I seemed to get no respect. Do you think I'm happy that this is the case? I wish it wasn't, but that's just humanity.
Just yesterday, I saw a guy whose entire left side was deformed. His one arm was about half the length as the other arm and his entire left side of the face was deformed as well. Honestly, that just choked me up because it brought back a flood of bad memories to me. Even if he's pleased with the skin he's in and an overall happy person, can you imagine the mistreatment and discrimination he gets by the rest of the world? I know some nice guys who are in excess of 300 pounds whose personalities are identical to mine and who never get any attention from girls. The only difference between them and I is a shell!
Things have changed drastically for me in the six years between the photos below. While the result is what I wanted, it confirmed thoughts for me about the world that I kind of wish were never confirmed.
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Check out gordiano's comment about Milos here:
http://forum.bodybuildingpro.com/showthread.php?t=3544
That's what I'm talking about. I never liked the idea of having game, and I find that the more muscular I become, the less game I need.
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Matt, you really have to start acting like the mid 20's guy you are and stop acting like a 17 year old. If a girl picks up on how you think muscles and how tall you may be are the keys to life they will probably dump you ASAP.
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Matt, you really have to start acting like the mid 20's guy you are and stop acting like a 17 year old. If a girl picks up on how you think muscles and how tall you may be are the keys to life they will probably dump you ASAP.
I would counter that by saying you need to stop acting as if everyone judges others based on attributes other than the salient physical characteristics.
A good example of this would be Gwyneth Paltrow. To practice for her performance in "Shallow Hal" she wore a fat suit publically and was treated completely differently by everyone. People went from holding doors open for her and kissing her feet to completely ignoring her. It's just the world we live in.
That being said, it just so happens that I also want to look a certain way for my own goals. My muscularity goals are probably at the point where a lot of girls would say it is too much, so to say I am doing it for the acceptance or admiration of others is not really accurate. :) It's just a nice bonus. ;D
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Take Dennis Newman for instance. As soon as he lost all his muscle due to leukemia, his girlfriend dumped him. :-\
I can say that both as a student of psychology and an observer of social behaviour, that better looking and better built men will fare better in all aspects of life than their less good looking and less fit peers. :-\ Better looking waitresses will get better tips than their less good looking co-workers. I can cite tons of peer reviewed scientific papers in psychology journals which prove all of this. That is just the world we live in.
I know that with absolutely 0 change to my personality EVERYTHING in my life has come together now that I am less geeky looking and more muscular. Like everyone in life, I respond to the direct incentives in front of me. I only wish more people could have seen me for who I was back in the day. I knew they didn't and I knew the best way for me to get what I wanted out of life was to change my appearance physically and it worked. I am still the exact same person that I used to be. I just have a different shell and because of that, everyone in my life seems to think the sun shines on me. Follow me around for a day and you would see that. Whereas before, I seemed to get no respect. Do you think I'm happy that this is the case? I wish it wasn't, but that's just humanity.
Just yesterday, I saw a guy whose entire left side was deformed. His one arm was about half the length as the other arm and his entire left side of the face was deformed as well. Honestly, that just choked me up because it brought back a flood of bad memories to me. Even if he's pleased with the skin he's in and an overall happy person, can you imagine the mistreatment and discrimination he gets by the rest of the world? I know some nice guys who are in excess of 300 pounds whose personalities are identical to mine and who never get any attention from girls. The only difference between them and I is a shell!
Things have changed drastically for me in the six years between the photos below. While the result is what I wanted, it confirmed thoughts for me about the world that I kind of wish were never confirmed.
dennis newman is actually a very good example to prove my point.
before getting leukemia the guy was about as shallow and superficial as you can get. of course the girl left him, she was too.
carry on with your beliefs. i hope everything works out for you, but i believe that if you send out that energy you'll get it back. me, i want my girl to stick around if i get sick.
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dennis newman is actually a very good example to prove my point.
before getting leukemia the guy was about as shallow and superficial as you can get. of course the girl left him, she was too.
carry on with your beliefs. i hope everything works out for you, but i believe that if you send out that energy you'll get it back. me, i want my girl to stick around if i get sick.
Good.Fucking.Point.
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dennis newman is actually a very good example to prove my point.
before getting leukemia the guy was about as shallow and superficial as you can get. of course the girl left him, she was too.
carry on with your beliefs. i hope everything works out for you, but i believe that if you send out that energy you'll get it back. me, i want my girl to stick around if i get sick.
Same here.
I should also point out that from what little I know about Dennis Newman, I can say I admire him for how he looked, but I'm not so sure about his personality. I got the same sense from him that you described above. However, the same cannot be said about Bob Paris or Milos. To me they are both the complete package - this includes personality, intelligence, as well as the physical.
Also, I'm not sure exactly what points of mine you are refuting? Are you saying that my description of how the world operates is inaccurate? Are you saying that I am a shallow person? Exactly what are you asking or suggesting here?
Check out Tom Platz's commentary about Bob as well as the user comments on this youtube link:
Articulate, well spoken, humble, and does all of that while looking like perfection. How amazing is that?
I cannot ever be another person, but I don't see anything shallow or unhealthy about having role models to look up to for what I want to become.
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Losers write long thesises about how they are going to use their tools, skills, body to get laid.
Winner just get off the computer and they go get laid.
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Same here.
I should also point out that from what little I know about Dennis Newman, I can say I admire him for how he looked, but I'm not so sure about his personality. I got the same sense from him that you described above. However, the same cannot be said about Bob Paris or Milos. To me they are both the complete package - this includes personality, intelligence, as well as the physical.
Also, I'm not sure exactly what points of mine you are refuting? Are you saying that my description of how the world operates is inaccurate? Are you saying that I am a shallow person? Exactly what are you asking or suggesting here?
Check out Tom Platz's commentary about Bob as well as the user comments on this youtube link:
Articulate, well spoken, humble, and does all of that while looking like perfection. How amazing is that?
I cannot ever be another person, but I don't see anything shallow or unhealthy about having role models to look up to for what I want to become.
Debussey thinks that these posters do not understand you.
You, MaxC, claim this: Looks matters, and looks is one of the factors that can help you get what you want in life.
You have not claimed that looks = the only thing, thus, you are not shallow. You simply understand how the world works and make plans to benefit from your insight.
Having goals for your appearance = a good thing, as long as it is a part of a balanced life.
So: When will you get that nosejob MattC?? ;D
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Same here.
I should also point out that from what little I know about Dennis Newman, I can say I admire him for how he looked, but I'm not so sure about his personality. I got the same sense from him that you described above. However, the same cannot be said about Bob Paris or Milos. To me they are both the complete package - this includes personality, intelligence, as well as the physical.
Also, I'm not sure exactly what points of mine you are refuting? Are you saying that my description of how the world operates is inaccurate? Are you saying that I am a shallow person? Exactly what are you asking or suggesting here?
Check out Tom Platz's commentary about Bob as well as the user comments on this youtube link:
Articulate, well spoken, humble, and does all of that while looking like perfection. How amazing is that?
I cannot ever be another person, but I don't see anything shallow or unhealthy about having role models to look up to for what I want to become.
earlier in the thread you had a different tune. you were saying you wanted to look like so and so, etc. you were saying that everything was about looks. now you're saying it's about personality and looks. you're agreeing with me more and more each post. this is good progress.
nothing wrong with role models, but at the end of the day you have to be you and not be a poor imitation of other people. that would make you less than them.
i say build your body for YOU and only you. if the chicks come, etc, cool, but you must see yourself as unique and worthwhile whether you have muscles or not. be your OWN MAN and you might even find a real relationship instead of just sex and go.
i will now draw an official conclusion to this counselling session. where do i send the bill?
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Hey MAtt, you still love each other and spoon at night, so whats the problem let it be for the sake of your relationship!
ta ta
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Judging by you last pic of the rear double biceps, matt: Hes got nothing on you at all. Everybodys frame is different and muscles can insert in a different way so that pecs are different looking as well as all else.
Thats why we hit the gym, to be better than last week...to do what we think we need. Its an art to some. Your friend isnt stuck deeply in the sport and its more of a beach body thing. Pick the traits of your favorite bb's and change your workout to get there. For instance i saw a guy with insane outer triceps and i thought it was lacking on my front shots....so my tri w/out are nothing but outer tri exercises........i also need more outer quad......and so it goes. Its fun stuff 8)
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Debussey thinks that these posters do not understand you.
You, MaxC, claim this: Looks matters, and looks is one of the factors that can help you get what you want in life.
You have not claimed that looks = the only thing, thus, you are not shallow. You simply understand how the world works and make plans to benefit from your insight.
Having goals for your appearance = a good thing, as long as it is a part of a balanced life.
So: When will you get that nosejob MattC?? ;D
Exactly. ;D You summed that up perfectly.
I think I am a good psychological candidate for a nose job and I think that it would improve my looks, but I am not terribly unhappy with my nose as it is now. The curvature is an Italian thing, but I would prefer a straight nose. A big nose I don't mind and actually kind of like, but a curved nose I don't care much for.
earlier in the thread you had a different tune. you were saying you wanted to look like so and so, etc. you were saying that everything was about looks. now you're saying it's about personality and looks. you're agreeing with me more and more each post. this is good progress.
nothing wrong with role models, but at the end of the day you have to be you and not be a poor imitation of other people. that would make you less than them.
i say build your body for YOU and only you. if the chicks come, etc, cool, but you must see yourself as unique and worthwhile whether you have muscles or not. be your OWN MAN and you might even find a real relationship instead of just sex and go.
i will now draw an official conclusion to this counselling session. where do i send the bill?
It is about personality, but here is the sad truth: girls and people (in general) have a physical screening before they will even look at your personality. Like I said with the example of some of my friends in excess of 300 pounds: they will not even pass the initial test and therefore will not even be looked at for their personality. Also as I said, I had the same personality before that I do now, but I would not pass the initial screening test by girls and they would never get to see my personality. I have now, through my changed shell, managed to find a way to get their attention so that they see me for me. I don't regret it, and I will get their attention for years to come. All the time I spent slaving in the gym has paid off in every way I wanted it to - both for myself and for the positive reaction I get from others.
Just recently I checked the status on a facebook profile of a friend of mine:
"[Matt C's friend] is wondering can anybody find me somebody to love."
I should let you know that my friend is 6'0 and over 300 pounds. That's the real world for you!
Judging by you last pic of the rear double biceps, matt: Hes got nothing on you at all. Everybodys frame is different and muscles can insert in a different way so that pecs are different looking as well as all else.
Thats why we hit the gym, to be better than last week...to do what we think we need. Its an art to some. Your friend isnt stuck deeply in the sport and its more of a beach body thing. Pick the traits of your favorite bb's and change your workout to get there. For instance i saw a guy with insane outer triceps and i thought it was lacking on my front shots....so my tri w/out are nothing but outer tri exercises........i also need more outer quad......and so it goes. Its fun stuff 8)
I agree. My friend's height is an advantage for him, and overall he has some great genetics for muscle. He is an interesting fellow and since I've known him I don't ever remember a time where he wasn't fit.
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Exactly. ;D You summed that up perfectly.
I think I am a good psychological candidate for a nose job and I think that it would improve my looks, but I am not terribly unhappy with my nose as it is now. The curvature is an Italian thing, but I would prefer a straight nose. A big nose I don't mind and actually kind of like, but a curved nose I don't care much for.
Improving the nose can drastically improve your appearance.
Just do it for christ sake.
If you've got around 20000 days left on this planet, why walk around with a "sub optimal" appearance? Invest $4000 in a new nose, and you'll enjoy a much improved appearance for the daily cost of 20 cents.
What are you waiting for? ;D
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Improving the nose can drastically improve your appearance.
Just do it for christ sake.
If you've got around 20000 days left on this planet, why walk around with a "sub optimal" appearance? Invest $4000 in a new nose, and you'll enjoy a much improved appearance for the daily cost of 20 cents.
What are you waiting for? ;D
Good point. I have no regrets at all about getting laser eye surgery or getting my teeth fixed. I will next probably get them whitened.
Plastic surgery is an excellent idea for those who are good psychological candidates like myself. Some people should not go near it!
I think the cost would be close to $7,000, no?
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Good point. I have no regrets at all about getting laser eye surgery or getting my teeth fixed. I will next probably get them whitened.
Plastic surgery is an excellent idea for those who are good psychological candidates like myself. Some people should not go near it!
I think the cost would be close to $7,000, no?
Agree with you, there is a huge difference between good and bad candidates. Did you know that the suicide average = higher among women with silicone implants?
Do some research, and find a great doc, Debussey does not think the total cost will be as high as $7000. Debussey does know that choosing the right doc = 10000x more important than getting a "good price".
Remember: Humanoid Champions knows that the amount of days we have on this planet = short. NOT doing something you kinda want will ultimately lead to regret, and that will fucking kill ya.
Seriously, if you want it, do it.
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I would counter that by saying you need to stop acting as if everyone judges others based on attributes other than the salient physical characteristics.
If someone doesn't stick around for who you are why would you want them around?
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Agree with you, there is a huge difference between good and bad candidates. Did you know that the suicide average = higher among women with silicone implants?
Do some research, and find a great doc, Debussey does not think the total cost will be as high as $7000. Debussey does know that choosing the right doc = 10000x more important than getting a "good price".
Remember: Humanoid Champions knows that the amount of days we have on this planet = short. NOT doing something you kinda want will ultimately lead to regret, and that will fucking kill ya.
Seriously, if you want it, do it.
Good point. I had no regrets with LASIK - if anything, my only regret was not doing it sooner.
If someone doesn't stick around for who you are why would you want them around?
True...but even the good people you speak about who do stick around will reject people based on how they look.
Would you date a 400 pound midget? I wish I could, but I am limited just as others are, albeit not NEARLY as much as some.
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trust me when you get there you know it,,,you walk like a million bucks,,,you also know you look the best,,the girls look,,the guys look,,everyone look,,every nobody asks you if you train everyday to achieve this physiqe etc etc,,this is also when you get the courage to go on stage!
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That was before the 1978 Universe Platz arms were doctored up here. His biceps look funny and this was before he got his upper body up in the early 1981.
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He claims to be natural. He is Shawn's height and about 165-170 in contest condition. He is 200 offseason.
He is a compact muscle machine. I only think the first and last pictures really do him justice although the back shot (at around 165) goes to show the kind of condition he holds year round.
Discuss.
I dont' think he's "all drugs" he's about my height and probably weighs about what I would if I got into contest condition.
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I hope this guy is not on juice......If he is, he doesn't know what the hell he is doing. In other words "what a waste". I'm going with all natty.
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I hope this guy is not on juice......If he is, he doesn't know what the hell he is doing. In other words "what a waste". I'm going with all natty.
Interesting.
Where I'm from, he is one of the most developed guys around. ???
How frequently do you see guys of his development and how big of a city do you live in?
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Interesting.
Where I'm from, he is one of the most developed guys around. ???
How frequently do you see guys of his development and how big of a city do you live in?
Guys of his development? Every time I step foot in the gym. That guys build is ok but he's not developed enough to be on serious juice. Like I said before if he is on juice then he needs to pull his head out of his ass b/cause it ain't workin. Someone could easily achieve his development naturally.
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Guys of his development? Every time I step foot in the gym. That guys build is ok but he's not developed enough to be on serious juice. Like I said before if he is on juice then he needs to pull his head out of his ass b/cause it ain't workin. Someone could easily achieve his development naturally.
I can't say the same in the gyms I've been too. He is around 5'6 and 1/2 and up to 165 or so in what is close to contest condition and to me that is pretty damn good size. I don't see guys his size often, but maybe that's just what it's like where I'm from.
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hey hey hey dont involve me in this crap,,I ALWAYS SAY YOU NEED A LOT MORE THAN DRUGS TO MAKE IT TO THE TOP OF THE INDUSTRY AND THE TOP OF THE INDUSTRY IS PRO CARD HOLDERS AND TOP AMATUERS WHO PLACE 2-5 IN NATIONALS USA ETC
ofcourse you need more than drugs duhhhhh,,you need symetry you need disapline you need time and lots of it,,you need good base that was achieved with out drugs,,you need genetics and then you also need lots of drugs as in consistency of being hormonized so you can build on it
the best bodybuilders are NOT THE ONES WITH THE BIGGEST ARMS! THE BEST BODYBUILDERS ARE THE ONES WHO HAVE EVERYTHING SYMETRIC AND IN PROPORTION,,THE ONES WHO CAN PRESENT A COMPLETE PACKAGE OF DEVELOPED MUSCLES WHILE AT LOW BODYFAT%%%%%%%%%% ,,,THOSE GUYS CAN BE FOUND AT 190 LB 200LB 220LB ETC WAY BEFORE THEY TURN INTO WALKING 280LB BEASTS,,
IT IS VERY VERY EASY TO WALK AROUND AT 250LB OF CRAP WHILE HORMONIZED,,,IT IS VERY VERY HARD TO WALK AROUND WITH 200LB OF QUALITY,, THE MOMENT YOU GET TO THOSE 200LB OF QUALITY IS THE MOMENT YOU BECOME A BODYBUILDER!
30-32 INCH WAIST WITH 6 PACK DIALED IN WITH 17 INCH ARMS ON A 5'10 GUY THAT WEIGHT 200LB WITH SYMETRIC PHYSIQE WILL LOOK 1000 TIMES BETTER AND MORE IMPRESSIVE THAN HIS 5'10 GYM BUD THAT WALKS AROUND WITH 36-38 INCH WAIST WITH 19-20 INCH ARMS AND NO PECS TO TALK ABOUT OR NO LATS OR NO WHEELS,,,
one thing you do need to remember though my friends,,,WE ALL TAKE DRUGS CONSISTENTLY AND NEVER EVER NEVER OFF COMPLETELY OF EVERYTHING,,LIAR IS THE ONE WHO TELLS YOU ANY DIFF,,
A VERY GOOD FITNESS MODEL FRIEND OF MINE,,,VERY VERY FEMILIAR AND PRETTY SMALL INREGARDS TO BODYBUILDING SIZE AS OF 2007,, IS GOING NOW FRATILITY THERAPY BECAUSE HE AND HIS SOON TO BE WIFE WANT A BABY....THAT SHOULD TELL YOU SOMETHING
WE ALL TAKE DRUGS C O N S I S T E N T L Y FROM THE FITNESS MODEL TO THE BODYBUILDER.
No, you drug dealer, my point is that consistency and intensity of training seems to be more important than drugs for achieving ultimate bodybuilding success. All the guys who are at the top have great genetics and are more or less taking the same shit, so why does one win the ASC or Olympia and the other fails to make the top 10? In most cases, the guys who win are the ones who train the hardest and most consistently, and are the most disciplined with their diets - look at Chris Cormier, who blew up several contests by cheating on his diet.
To turn pro you need: genetics, consistent and hard training and drugs. Now, to win top pro shows the drugs and genetics won't cut it, because all top pros have great genetics and take drugs. So it is the training and preparation that makes the difference. Training seems to be what separates Mr.Olympia from the guys who finishes 12th at the Ironmen. You have said that training is irrelvant as long as go to the gym and do some training, while I'm saying that it's more important than the drugs - when it comes to top pros.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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No, you drug dealer, my point is that consistency and intensity of training seems to be more important than drugs for achieving ultimate bodybuilding success. All the guys who are at the top have great genetics and are more or less taking the same shit, so why does one win the ASC or Olympia and the other fails to make the top 10? In most cases, the guys who win are the ones who train the hardest and most consistently, and are the most disciplined with their diets - look at Chris Cormier, who blew up several contests by cheating on his diet.
To turn pro you need: genetics, consistent and hard training and drugs. Now, to win top pro shows the drugs and genetics won't cut it, because all top pros have great genetics and take drugs. So it is the training and preparation that makes the difference. Training seems to be what separates Mr.Olympia from the guys who finishes 12th at the Ironmen. You have said that training is irrelvant as long as go to the gym and do some training, while I'm saying that it's more important than the drugs - when it comes to top pros.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Oh really? Explain Kevin Levrone, Flex Wheeler and Chris Cormier?
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No, you drug dealer, my point is that consistency and intensity of training seems to be more important than drugs for achieving ultimate bodybuilding success. All the guys who are at the top have great genetics and are more or less taking the same shit, so why does one win the ASC or Olympia and the other fails to make the top 10? In most cases, the guys who win are the ones who train the hardest and most consistently, and are the most disciplined with their diets - look at Chris Cormier, who blew up several contests by cheating on his diet.
To turn pro you need: genetics, consistent and hard training and drugs. Now, to win top pro shows the drugs and genetics won't cut it, because all top pros have great genetics and take drugs. So it is the training and preparation that makes the difference. Training seems to be what separates Mr.Olympia from the guys who finishes 12th at the Ironmen. You have said that training is irrelvant as long as go to the gym and do some training, while I'm saying that it's more important than the drugs - when it comes to top pros.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Some guys on this board may be bigger and stronger than guys who turn pro, but that is not to say just because they make better naturals that they would respond to gear in the same way.
Genetic response to drugs throws in an extraneous variable.
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No, you drug dealer, my point is that consistency and intensity of training seems to be more important than drugs for achieving ultimate bodybuilding success. All the guys who are at the top have great genetics and are more or less taking the same shit, so why does one win the ASC or Olympia and the other fails to make the top 10? In most cases, the guys who win are the ones who train the hardest and most consistently, and are the most disciplined with their diets - look at Chris Cormier, who blew up several contests by cheating on his diet.
To turn pro you need: genetics, consistent and hard training and drugs. Now, to win top pro shows the drugs and genetics won't cut it, because all top pros have great genetics and take drugs. So it is the training and preparation that makes the difference. Training seems to be what separates Mr.Olympia from the guys who finishes 12th at the Ironmen. You have said that training is irrelvant as long as go to the gym and do some training, while I'm saying that it's more important than the drugs - when it comes to top pros.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm mmmmmmmm
i almost can see the light now,,i get lectured of how it works ummmmmm all the top pros have wonderful genetics ,,,ummm they all take drugs? really now ummmmmmmmm
I SAID THAT ITS ENOUGH TO GO TO THE GYM AND DO SOME TRAINING TO LOOK PHENOMINALFOR A GUY ON HORMONES WITH DECENT BUILD,,,YOU NEED A LOT MORE THAN THAT TO WIN NATIONALS OR A PRO SHOW
again the most important thing is HOW YOUR BODY RESPONDS TO HORMONES! AND WHAT AND WHEN YOU TAKE THOSE HORMONES,,
A NATIONAL GUY FED WITH JINTROPIN WILL MOST LIKLEY PLACE BEHIND A NATIONAL GUY THAT FED WITH ELY LILLY HUMATROPE OR SEIZAN,,IF THEY BOTH TOP 10 MATERIAL AND SAME HEIGHT/SIZE,,THATS THAT
i start liking you though,,you entertain me,,,tellin me what i need to do to be whati am already,,i like you ;)
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ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
i almost can see the light now,,i get lectured of how it works ummmmmm all the top pros have wonderful genetics ,,,ummm they all take drugs? really now ummmmmmmmm
I SAID THAT ITS ENOUGH TO GO TO THE GYM AND DO SOME TRAINING TO LOOK PHENOMINALFOR A GUY ON HORMONES WITH DECENT BUILD,,,YOU NEED A LOT MORE THAN THAT TO WIN NATIONALS OR A PRO SHOW
again the most important thing is HOW YOUR BODY RESPONDS TO HORMONES! AND WHAT AND WHEN YOU TAKE THOSE HORMONES,,
A NATIONAL GUY FED WITH JINTROPIN WILL MOST LIKLEY PLACE BEHIND A NATIONAL GUY THAT FED WITH ELY LILLY HUMATROPE OR SEIZAN,,IF THEY BOTH TOP 10 MATERIAL AND SAME HEIGHT/SIZE,,THATS THAT
i start liking you though,,you entertain me,,,tellin me what i need to do to be whati am already,,i like you ;)
suckmymuscle is pretty smart, but it would be silly for him or anyone on here to start debating drugs with you.
Now if you were talking about economics or psychology or math or web design, I would gladly jump in, but I'm not one to debate experts in their area of expertise. :)
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Don't sell the world so short yet, Matt. There are some true gems out there.
Initial eye contact and voice inflection will set the tone with another person in a one-on-one situation. Learn to master eye contact, and you'll be amazed with the results.
As far as staying muscular: Do it for the countless physical advantages and practicalities, but don't wear it as a badge. It makes for a terrible, almost embarrassing vibe.
Great discussion you've brought up, BTW.
True! Good points, and thanks, it is a good topic which I enjoy hearing a wide variety of thoughts on.
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Oh really? Explain Kevin Levrone, Flex Wheeler and Chris Cormier?
Kevin Levrone was highly successful and finished second at the Mr.Olympia twice. He was stopped from Olympia glory because a guy with genetics as good and who trained even harder stopped him.
As for Wheeler and Cormier, what are you talking about? Wheeler had infinitely superior genetics than Dorian Yates, and yet never won the Olympiua because he was lazy and not consistent with his training. Cormier cheated on his pre-contest diet constantly and screwed whores all the time, andf thus never fullfilled his potential.
Both guys with superb genetics and drenched in drugs, and both failed to achieve their potentia because they didn't train hard and consistently and were undisciplined with their diets and lkefestyles[/b]. Thanks for validating my points! :D
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Some guys on this board may be bigger and stronger than guys who turn pro, but that is not to say just because they make better naturals that they would respond to gear in the same way.
Genetic response to drugs throws in an extraneous variable.
So the reason Wheeler never won the Olympia over Dorian is because he had a poorer response to drugs? This despite the fact that he had a better structure, longer muscle bellies and tinier joints? Or maybe it's due to the fact that he never took sets to failure, trained mostly with isolation movements and cheated regularly on his pre-contest diet?
Is this also the reason why Coleman gained 40 lbs of muscle in the off-season of 2003? I mean, he was already taking massive doses of drugs before that, so are you saying that he also had a gene transfusion which suddenly made him respod more dramatically to drugs? Or is the explanation that he was defeated by Gunther at the 202 GNC Show Of Strengh, which made him shit scared and made him train extra hard and dedicate himself to bodybuilding completely? The ferocity of his training sessions in the off-season of that year are well-documented on tape, so there's no need for me to clarify it.
All the guys who make it to the top pros,l by definition, have an incredible response to drugs. They all have long muscle bellies, a large proportion of fast-twitch type II muscle fibers, etc, otherweise they wouldn't have turned pro. We are not talking about amateurs vs pros here, but top pros vs top pros. My observation is that all guys who are top pros are on the same drugs and they all have great genetics, but that the guys who win top shows like the ASC and Olympia are usually the ones who are the most disciplined with their diets and train the hardest and most consistently. In fact, a guy like Dorian won the Olympia competing against guys who had better genetics then they did, like Wheeler and Levrone, which clearly goes to show that the training and diet is what separated top pros from one another. :)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
I'm sorry, sport, but all the guys who make it to the pros have very good response to drugs. They also all
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ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
i almost can see the light now,,i get lectured of how it works ummmmmm all the top pros have wonderful genetics ,,,ummm they all take drugs? really now ummmmmmmmm
I SAID THAT ITS ENOUGH TO GO TO THE GYM AND DO SOME TRAINING TO LOOK PHENOMINALFOR A GUY ON HORMONES WITH DECENT BUILD,,,YOU NEED A LOT MORE THAN THAT TO WIN NATIONALS OR A PRO SHOW
again the most important thing is HOW YOUR BODY RESPONDS TO HORMONES! AND WHAT AND WHEN YOU TAKE THOSE HORMONES,,
A NATIONAL GUY FED WITH JINTROPIN WILL MOST LIKLEY PLACE BEHIND A NATIONAL GUY THAT FED WITH ELY LILLY HUMATROPE OR SEIZAN,,IF THEY BOTH TOP 10 MATERIAL AND SAME HEIGHT/SIZE,,THATS THAT
i start liking you though,,you entertain me,,,tellin me what i need to do to be whati am already,,i like you ;)
First of all, you have yet to prove that you are a pro. Where are your blue stars, sport? I'm still waiting for that! And don't bring the anonimity excuse, because you can post anonymously and have blue stars.
Secondly, what you said is incorrect. You did say that what matters is the response to drugs and structure, and that the guys who make it to top pro owe it all to drugs and to their response to drugs. This is only partially true, anyway, but my problem with you is that you make the case that the guy who wins the Mr.Olympia or the Arnold is simply tyhe one with the best natural structure and response to drugs and that training and discipline is irrelevant, and I say that is crap!!!!!!!!
Neither Lee Haney, Dorian Yates or Ronnie Coleman had the best genetics of their generations, and they defeated their competitors who had better genetics because they were more dedicated, disciplined and trained smarter and harder than their competitors.
I find it hard to believe that Wheeler with his vastly superior structure and longer muscle bellies got defeated by Dorian because the latter had a better response to drugs. We don't know if he had, but all top pros have a great response to drugs, and even if he did, the other several advantages that Wheeler had in structure and muscle belly lengh should compensate for that. It is more reasonable to assume that Wheeler got defeated by Yates despite his superior genetics because he ate pizza on his pre-contest diet, missed workouts, seldiom did compound exercises, etc. ;)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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suckmymuscle is pretty smart, but it would be silly for him or anyone on here to start debating drugs with you.
Now if you were talking about economics or psychology or math or web design, I would gladly jump in, but I'm not one to debate experts in their area of expertise. :)
Suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu uure, because a drug dealer knows so much about androgens and other anabolics, right? ::) GH15 Has yet to prove that he's a pro and I don't care about what he has to say on drugs except if he has a degree on endocrinology, preferably a PhD.
And who said that you're an expert on economics or math? I'm pretty sure that you won't be winning the Field's Medal or a Nobel Prize in economics anytime soon. The reason why you won't debate GH15, the drug dealer, is because you like what he tells you. You want to believe what he has to say; you want to believe that it's all about drugs. You are a frustrated guy with you own body, and you want to belive that all the guys who are bigger than you are only bigger because they are on drugs.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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First of all, you have yet to prove that you are a pro. Where are your blue stars, sport? I'm still waiting for that! And don't bring the anonimity excuse, because you can post anonymously and have blue stars.
Secondly, what you said is incorrect. You did say that what matters is the response to drugs and structure, and that the guys who make it to top pro owe it all to drugs and to their response to drugs. This is only partially true, anyway, but my problem with you is that you make the case that the guy who wins the Mr.Olympia or the Arnold is simply tyhe one with the best natural structure and response to drugs and that training and discipline is irrelevant, and I say that is crap!!!!!!!!
Neither Lee Haney, Dorian Yates or Ronnie Coleman had the best genetics of their generations, and they defeated their competitors who had better genetics because they were more dedicated, disciplined and trained smarter and harder than their competitors.
I find it hard to believe that Wheeler with his vastly superior structure and longer muscle bellies got defeated by Dorian because the latter had a better response to drugs. We don't know if he had, but all top pros have a great response to drugs, and even if he did, the other several advantages that Wheeler had in structure and muscle belly lengh should compensate for that. It is more reasonable to assume that Wheeler got defeated by Yates despite his superior genetics because he ate pizza on his pre-contest diet, missed workouts, seldiom did compound exercises, etc. ;)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
so you tell me i can not win the big one because i dont work too hard huh? um gotchya buddy,,i bust my ass as hard as jason and i dont win the big thing,,you say its because i dont work as hard him,,,um nice nice,,i will try to work harder and see if it helps ::)
flex wheeler didnt win o because HE WAS A SMALLER BODYBUILDER! alot smaller that the time wanted,,his structure and long muscle bellies and symetry is what gave him second,,,his laziness and he was one lazy brother had nothing to do with him never winning the o
if you think any competitor that step in vegas dont work hard in the gym and doesnt keep up with training and nutrition pre competition,,,then you got a loose screw there my friend
dorian didnt win it because of his work ethics only,, BUT BECAUSE HE WAS RESPONDING TO HORMONES BETTER THAN THE REST OF THE US,,IN ADDITION HE HAD EVERY MUSCLE DEVELOPED AND PROPORTIONED AND AGAIN THAT BELONGS IN THE GENETICS AND GENETIC REPONSE TO HORMONE DEPARTMENT AND NOT IN THE GYM
as i said 100 timmes in the past,,to me it dont matter wether you thin]k or dont think i have my ifbb pro card not pdi! ifbb! ,,but if you have a slight little tiny mini brain you would be able to tell that everythiing i say on getbig is not gold anymore but closer to PLATINUM
cherish it as long as i feel like doing it because you will never have another top 10 o copetitor risking his own career and saying whati say here on getbig
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Suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu uure, because a drug dealer knows so much about androgens and other anabolics, right? ::) GH15 Has yet to prove that he's a pro and I don't care about what he has to say on drugs except if he has a degree on endocrinology, preferably a PhD.
And who said that you're an expert on economics or math? I'm pretty sure that you won't be winning the Field's Medal or a Nobel Prize in economics anytime soon. The reason why you won't debate GH15, the drug dealer, is because you like what he tells you. You want to believe what he has to say; you want to believe that it's all about drugs. You are a frustrated guy with you own body, and you want to belive that all the guys who are bigger than you are only bigger because they are on drugs.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
this matt guy debetad me planty of time,,,you can go and read those in your plenty of free time on the board between your wizdom posts,,
he does not always agree to what i say and he actually made me think couple times unlike you,,
you only entertain me ;)
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Suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu uure, because a drug dealer knows so much about androgens and other anabolics, right? ::) GH15 Has yet to prove that he's a pro and I don't care about what he has to say on drugs except if he has a degree on endocrinology, preferably a PhD.
And who said that you're an expert on economics or math? I'm pretty sure that you won't be winning the Field's Medal or a Nobel Prize in economics anytime soon. The reason why you won't debate GH15, the drug dealer, is because you like what he tells you. You want to believe what he has to say; you want to believe that it's all about drugs. You are a frustrated guy with you own body, and you want to belive that all the guys who are bigger than you are only bigger because they are on drugs.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
he is a pro and a damn good one, trust me.
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Guys of his development? Every time I step foot in the gym. That guys build is ok but he's not developed enough to be on serious juice. Like I said before if he is on juice then he needs to pull his head out of his ass b/cause it ain't workin. Someone could easily achieve his development naturally.
haha i bet you are a monster who has already achived a better build *NATURALLY*, why wont you post some pictures so we can see what a *proper diet* and *hard work* can achive ::)
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so you tell me i can not win the big one because i dont work too hard huh? um gotchya buddy,,i bust my ass as hard as jason and i dont win the big thing,,you say its because i dont work as hard him,,,um nice nice,,i will try to work harder and see if it helps ::)
Is it a mere coincidence that that guys who party all the time, like Cormier, never won the Olympia despite having better genetics than guys like Dorian and Lee Haney? I think not. In your case, you couldn't win the Olympia becasue you don't have a pro card and don't even workout. ;)
flex wheeler didnt win o because HE WAS A SMALLER BODYBUILDER! alot smaller that the time wanted,,his structure and long muscle bellies and symetry is what gave him second,,,his laziness and he was one lazy brother had nothing to do with him never winning the o
Wheeler won the 1993 ASC with perfect scores, and that is a major pro show. In 1998, he was considered the favorite to win the show, and not Coleman. By Petewr McGough's own admission, he would have defeated Coleman if he came in 100%. The problem is that he didn't.
And his laziness had nothing to do with him never winning the Olympia? Wrong! Wheeler by his own admission cheated on his pre-contest diet several times, and he made up the ninja story because he blew up his Olympia ppre in 1997. Dorian once asked Wheeler why he didn't do barbell rows, and he replied that:"They make me winded". So don't say that his laziness didn't have anything to do with him not winning the Olympia because, just like Cormier and Dillet, he was notorious for training light, missing workouts, cheating on his diet, etc.
if you think any competitor that step in vegas dont work hard in the gym and doesnt keep up with training and nutrition pre competition,,,then you got a loose screw there my friend
That's probably the reason why so many come into the contest holding fat and water, huh? Give it up, dude. Several bodybuilders by their own admission cheat on their pre-contest diets because they can't stand eating nothing but boiled chicken breasts and brown rice for three months straight. And yes, some of them do train much harder than the others. This is evident by the superior muscle density and thicker development that some have other others. Again, this can't be explained by drugs because they are all on them, and the guiys who have the thicker development are almost invariably the ones who are famous for training very hard.
dorian didnt win it because of his work ethics only,, BUT BECAUSE HE WAS RESPONDING TO HORMONES BETTER THAN THE REST OF THE US,,IN ADDITION HE HAD EVERY MUSCLE DEVELOPED AND PROPORTIONED AND AGAIN THAT BELONGS IN THE GENETICS AND GENETIC REPONSE TO HORMONE DEPARTMENT AND NOT IN THE GYM
What a truckload of shit! So you are telling me that several bodybuilders with more symmetrical structures and longer muscle bellies, like Kevin Levrone, Dillet, Cormier, etc were defeated by Dorian all because the latter responded better to drugs? What about the guys who were bigger than Dorian, like Nasser, Dillet, Fux, etc? Did they have a poorer response to drugs as well? ::) Clearly since there were several bigger guys than Dorian, then they had a better response to drugs, which completely invalidates all of your arguments. Or is a more reasonable explanation that Dorian's superb conditioning is what gave him the victory over guys that had better genetics than him both for size(Dillet, Fux, Nasser), as well as for shape(Wheeler, Cormier, Ray)? Moron.
as i said 100 timmes in the past,,to me it dont matter wether you thin]k or dont think i have my ifbb pro card not pdi! ifbb! ,,but if you have a slight little tiny mini brain you would be able to tell that everythiing i say on getbig is not gold anymore but closer to PLATINUM
The last time I checked, platinum is not the color of shit. ;) And trust me, sport: I'm smarter than you and arguably know more about steroids than you do...
cherish it as long as i feel like doing it because you will never have another top 10 o copetitor risking his own career and saying whati say here on getbig
I would gladly celebrate if you left! Go away, you drug dealer, and don't let the door hit your ass on the way out! :D
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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this matt guy debetad me planty of time,,,you can go and read those in your plenty of free time on the board between your wizdom posts,,
he does not always agree to what i say and he actually made me think couple times unlike you,,
you only entertain me ;)
Ha ha ha ha ha...what entertains me is your arrogance, you piece of shit drug abuser. Try to understand this: you are not smart, your are not witty and you don't know two shits about steroids and other anabolic drugs. You are a drug dealer and nothing more.
Even if you were a pro, it still wouldn't mean shit, because pros have no idea of what they are doing; they go from experience. As far as scientific knowledge, though, they don't know shit why steroid "X" produced result "Y" on their bodies and such. Unless you have a PhD in endocrinology, I really don't care about what you have to say sport. Even Greg Zulac's defunt column on MuscleMag was better than the pseudo-scientific advice you give out. ;)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Kevin Levrone was highly successful and finished second at the Mr.Olympia twice. He was stopped from Olympia glory because a guy with genetics as good and who trained even harder stopped him.
As for Wheeler and Cormier, what are you talking about? Wheeler had infinitely superior genetics than Dorian Yates, and yet never won the Olympiua because he was lazy and not consistent with his training. Cormier cheated on his pre-contest diet constantly and screwed whores all the time, andf thus never fullfilled his potential.
Both guys with superb genetics and drenched in drugs, and both failed to achieve their potentia because they didn't train hard and consistently and were undisciplined with their diets and lkefestyles[/b]. Thanks for validating my points! :D
SUCKMYMUSCLE
The point you made was genetics alone wont help you win pro shows you need consistant drugs and training. They guys I pointed out (add dillet in there too) in no way shape or form were ever consistant in training. If anything they trained like bitches, it was there superior response to hormones that set them apart from the rest. You think diet has anything to do coming in at 4% BF? To some degree yes it does but its more so the timing of anti-es, anabolics and diuretics.
To say that they were undisciplined with their diets is also directed at most pros. Ive seen ronnie coleman down 3 mc chicken burgers in front of my face and still remain at 6% BF.
I agree Dorian Yates had good genetics and was a hard worker with superior response to hormones, but honestly how good was he? The guy's cycle was outrageous, he pratically invented the gh gut. He pushed the boundaries in bodybuilding and Im not talking about training or dieting, we are talking AAS usage.
Flex, Kevin both finished second to Dorian in the eyes of the judges not the public, BB is subjective to each individual.
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Is it a mere coincidence that that guys who party all the time, like Cormier, never won the Olympia despite having better genetics than guys like Dorian and Lee Haney? I think not. In your case, you couldn't win the Olympia becasue you don't have a pro card and don't even workout. ;)
Wheeler won the 1993 ASC with perfect scores, and that is a major pro show. In 1998, he was considered the favorite to win the show, and not Coleman. By Petewr McGough's own admission, he would have defeated Coleman if he came in 100%. The problem is that he didn't.
And his laziness had nothing to do with him never winning the Olympia? Wrong! Wheeler by his own admission cheated on his pre-contest diet several times, and he made up the ninja story because he blew up his Olympia ppre in 1997. Dorian once asked Wheeler why he didn't do barbell rows, and he replied that:"They make me winded". So don't say that his laziness didn't have anything to do with him not winning the Olympia because, just like Cormier and Dillet, he was notorious for training light, missing workouts, cheating on his diet, etc.
That's probably the reason why so many come into the contest holding fat and water, huh? Give it up, dude. Several bodybuilders by their own admission cheat on their pre-contest diets because they can't stand eating nothing but boiled chicken breasts and brown rice for three months straight. And yes, some of them do train much harder than the others. This is evident by the superior muscle density and thicker development that some have other others. Again, this can't be explained by drugs because they are all on them, and the guiys who have the thicker development are almost invariably the ones who are famous for training very hard.
What a truckload of shit! So you are telling me that several bodybuilders with more symmetrical structures and longer muscle bellies, like Kevin Levrone, Dillet, Cormier, etc were defeated by Dorian all because the latter responded better to drugs? What about the guys who were bigger than Dorian, like Nasser, Dillet, Fux, etc? Did they have a poorer response to drugs as well? ::) Clearly since there were several bigger guys than Dorian, then they had a better response to drugs, which completely invalidates all of your arguments. Or is a more reasonable explanation that Dorian's superb conditioning is what gave him the victory over guys that had better genetics than him both for size(Dillet, Fux, Nasser), as well as for shape(Wheeler, Cormier, Ray)? Moron.
The last time I checked, platinum is not the color of shit. ;) And trust me, sport: I'm smarter than you and arguably know more about steroids than you do...
I would gladly celebrate if you left! Go away, you drug dealer, and don't let the door hit your ass on the way out! :D
SUCKMYMUSCLE
99% of what you said above is garbage. while you talk about ken i competed againt him,,,while you talk about your knowledge about steroids,,i actually feed them to top athletes,,while you talk curse right and left and showing that youre just a kid,,i get ready to try and make top 6 this year,,
so lets conclude this with the fact that you have miserable life and you assume a lot,,its one thing to be concited as me because many people dependent on me ,,,and it is another a whole diff thing to be thinking highly of you when you prove with every post that you are the the type of person that not only couldnt make it to a local competition in the good ole usa but also read too much bodybuilding books,,
get your head out of your ass,,it smells bad in here boy,, you really really got no clue about what youre talking about when it comes to hormones,,,and you have basic very very basic knowledge of what it takes to make it as a pro
its beyond my level to even answer you,,since with every response of yours it is easier to tell you one frastrated individual that believe in santa claus
dont forget to take some arginine and vanadyl for your veins to pop out later on today,,,make sure its ethyl easter ;)
im done responding to your garbage,,i got over 50pms waiting for answers and i dont have time for them when im here because of time you take away from those people,,,
thank suckmymuscle for the slow response to your questions getbig members,,im sure getbig members will love you more by the day
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dont forget to take some arginine and vanadyl for your veins to pop out later on today,,,make sure its ethyl easter ;)
HAHAHA
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He denies it up and down yet his nickname is "Juicy" LOL. Unless that is referring to something else. :-X
He is a couple of inches shorter than me so around 5'7 or a hair under. I've always wondered about him and I guess I can never know for sure, but I wanted to see what people on here think.
Looks clean.
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Question for Matt C:
How has your personality not changed at all since you were 18??? I'm 19 right now and I'm already considerably different than when I was 18. Hell, I've changed since turning 19 6 months ago.
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hey GH15
When is the new tip of the week coming?
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Question for Matt C:
How has your personality not changed at all since you were 18??? I'm 19 right now and I'm already considerably different than when I was 18. Hell, I've changed since turning 19 6 months ago.
how are you different?
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how are you different?
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I'm less introverted, more extroverted, more social, and more intrinsically motivated in life. I also feel that I'm more realistic in my life's goals, as in I no longer think, or even really want to become some millionaire, but rather just find something that I enjoy and that I'm good at and doing that for life.
I'm not saying everyone will go through radical changes, but I'm surprised he says he his personality hasn't changed at all since age 18.