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Isn't this six years old? Slow news day?
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Yeah, so what.
This is what is relevant TODAY:
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Spamming your own thread....that's cute.
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Are you in a hurry to get to 3000 posts?
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Are you in a hurry to get to 3000 posts?
He/she is in the business of posting crap no one watches, that have been refuted and debunked soundly time and time again.
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Ozmo posted a article about CT'ers that fits you perfectly. Read it and avoid further humiliation.
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Spamming your own thread....that's cute.
It's pretty funny. :)
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Bush on day one...."Find a way to attack Iraq"
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Body bags......and NO BODIES !!!
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Go back to bed.
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Boston Air Traffic Controller Says 9/11 An Inside Job
Thursday, December 14, 2006
A former Boston Center air traffic controller has gone public on his assertion that 9/11 was an inside job and that Donald Rumsfeld and the Pentagon tracked three of the four flights from the point of their hijacking to hitting their targets. In an astounding telephone interview, Robin Hordon claims air traffic controllers have been ignored or silenced to protect the true perpetrators of 9/11.
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Is this the clip where he says he can walk threw walls?
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*Bump*
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911 = inside job
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As officers in the U.S. military, we took an oath to "support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic." Regardless of our current status -- active duty, reserves, retired, or civilian -- that oath remains in force. Therefore it is not just our responsibility, it is our duty to expose the real perpetrators of 9/11 and bring them to justice, no matter how hard it is, how long it takes, how much we have to suffer, or where it leads us. We owe this to those who have gone before us who executed that same oath, and we owe it to those who are following that same oath today in Iraq and Afghanistan. We believe the official account of 9/11 as defined in the 9/11 Commission Report is grossly inaccurate and fatally flawed. It is imperative that we have an accurate understanding of 9/11 so that those responsible can be identified and brought to justice in order that they and similarly-minded people never again commit such heinous crimes. It is also imperative that we have an accurate understanding of 9/11 so that governmental policies resulting from 9/11 are based on truth rather than deception.
We join with other organizations of professionals, such as Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth, Pilots for 9/11 Truth, Firefighters for 9/11 Truth, Medical Professionals for 9/11 Truth, and Lawyers for 9/11 Truth, and millions of individual citizens in demanding a thorough, impartial, open and transparent reinvestigation of the terrorist acts of 9/11.
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Military Officers for 911 Truth
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Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth Announces: Hard Evidence of Explosive Demolition of World Trade Center High-rises on 9/11
WASHINGTON, Sept. 9 2010 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- Richard Gage, AIA, Founder of Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth (AE911Truth) with former Senator Gravel, will hold a press conference to present the group's findings and to call for a new investigation into the destruction of the 3 World Trade Center skyscrapers on 9/11. Following the press conference, there will be a Mock Debate during which public statements made by government investigators and other defenders of the official account will be addressed.
"Critically important evidence has emerged after the government building reports were completed," says Senator Gravel.
Gage points to World Trade Center 7, a 47-story building that was not hit by an aircraft, yet collapsed in free-fall acceleration and in a manner consistent with a controlled implosion: "Government investigators at the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) have been forced to acknowledge the free-fall descent, an indicting fact, after being presented with analysis by AE911Truth petition signers." Other facts that AE911Truth supporters have uncovered in the course of examining the forensic evidence include:
The Twin Towers suffered total destruction in 10 to 14 seconds in near free-fall accelerations which can only occur as a result of pre-set demolition explosives.
More than 100 first responders reported explosions and flashes consistent with pre-set demolitions.
90,000 tons of concrete and metal decking were pulverized in mid-air, creating the signature dust clouds of controlled demolitions.
A massive debris field 1,400 feet in diameter, along with the absence of "pancaked" floors, indicates a very explosive destruction of each tower.
The presence of several tons of molten metal found in the debris is consistent with the extreme temperatures generated by the use of thermite – an incendiary used to cut through steel like a hot knife through butter.
An international team of scientists found nano-thermitic composite material in World Trade Center dust samples, providing hard evidence of the presence of advanced energetic materials in the disaster debris.
"The official FEMA and NIST reports provide insufficient, contradictory, and fraudulent accounts of the circumstances of the towers' destruction," says Gage. "We are therefore calling for a grand jury investigation of NIST officials."
An AE911Truth petition calling for a new investigation has been submitted this week to every government representative in Congress. The petition now contains over 1,270 architect/engineer signers – altogether over 10,000 around the world have signed the petition.
Florida State Professor Lance deHaven-Smith, who coined the academic term State Crimes Against Democracy [SCAD] will be providing final comments at the debate.
Thousands of scientists; senior-level military, intelligence and government officials; pilots and aviation professionals; firefighters; scholars and university professors; and 9/11 survivors and their family members share AE911Truth's conclusions (PatriotsQuestion911.com). And today two new 9/11 truth groups, directly engaged with AE911Truth, have emerged: ScientistsFor911Truth.or g and MilitaryOfficersFor911tr uth.org.
AE911Truth's findings comprise an important update to their 9/11: Blueprint for Truth – The Architecture of Destruction, which is available on their website, AE911Truth.org.
This press conference is being given by our petition signers and supporters concurrently in 65 locations around the world including 30 states and 4 countries.
The Washington DC press conference will be accessible via webcast at AE911Truth.org at 2:00pm EDT on September 9, 2010.
To arrange print/broadcast interviews with Richard Gage, AIA, contact Tania Torres at 510-292-4710, or CongressionalOutreachTea m[at]ae911truth.org.
SOURCE Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth
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20 yr employee @ WTC
Listen and learn.
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DAMN MONS...
I think you have 3 seizing and convulsing on the floor right now. You have hit him too hard with facts and he can not cope nor refute (or is it refudiate) this. Even his conspiracy theory card he likes to play just went out the window ;D
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DAMN MONS...
I think you have 3 seizing and convulsing on the floor right now. You have hit him too hard with facts and he can not cope nor refute (or is it refudiate) this. Even his conspiracy theory card he likes to play just went out the window ;D
Not really samson - I have viewed other demolitions online of other buildings - and guess what? Every single one has a series of explosions that occur that are visibile, audible, and identifiable. Non of that occurred in the twin towers.
I wantched coverage all day yesterday, and the more I watched the coverage, the videos, the witnesses who said they heard a ton a creaking vefore the collapse, the more I laugh at these CT's.
Also, if it was a inside job, why isnt KSM prclaiming innocence and why didnt Mosouii proclaim innocence?
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Not really samson - I have viewed other demolitions online of other buildings - and guess what? Every single one has a series of explosions that occur that are visibile, audible, and identifiable. Non of that occurred in the twin towers.
Then you are a LIAR because every aspect of a CONTROL DEMOLITION occurred with the WTC collapseom teh sprites, to the series of persussions, to the glimmering sparkles to the severed metal beams and molten metal to the left over thermite....you better watch those vids again and read up on what the EXPERTS who researched and discovered these facts had to say. Had you watch the army of vids Mons posted you would not be saying what you are now, but you'd sooner die first than have to admit truth or thank Mons.
I wantched coverage all day yesterday, and the more I watched the coverage, the videos, the witnesses who said they heard a ton a creaking vefore the collapse, the more I laugh at these CT's.
I thought you claimed you were down at the WTC site yesterday which you used your JET SKI to get there???
Also, if it was a inside job, why isnt KSM prclaiming innocence and why didnt Mosouii proclaim innocence?
How do you know they did not proclaim innocence?...Like your media would inform you of that. The goal of the jew run american media is to DEMONIZE the Arabs at all costs to justify the invasion/war...you think they would let innocent men go when their goal is to make the innocent and their religious belief appear guilty?
Still grasping for straws
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Ok you fools - why dont we start with who did it?
Give me a name, orioganization, and a scintillia of proof.
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Ok you fools - why dont we start with who did it?
Give me a name, orioganization, and a scintillia of proof.
First off, you're demanding conclusions that none of us are qualified to make.
If I had to speculate, ...I would say, probably the same people that stole all the gold from the vaults underneath WTC for starters. The same people with the power to order immigration officials to grant the supposed 19 hijackers visa status when their applications were originally rejected. The same people with the power to get NORAD to stand down, ...and the same people with intimate knowledge of the upgrades to the Pentagon's structural integrity. They would also be able to get their hands on military grade thermite. I would say these are all factors that the culprits would have in common. People so high up & well placed that a top air traffic controller felt the need to shred tapes of conversations into a gadzillion pieces, and dispose of those little pieces throughout various numerous garbage bins all throughout a building. Who could freak someone out enough to make them do that?
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First off, you're demanding conclusions that none of us are qualified to make.
If I had to speculate, ...I would say, probably the same people that stole all the gold from the vaults underneath WTC for starters. The same people with the power to order immigration officials to grant the supposed 19 hijackers visa status when their applications were originally rejected. The same people with the power to get NORAD to stand down, ...and the same people with intimate knowledge of the upgrades to the Pentagon's structural integrity. They would also be able to get their hands on military grade thermite. I would say these are all factors that the culprits would have in common. People so high up & well placed that a top air traffic controller felt the need to shred tapes of conversations into a gadzillion pieces, and dispose of those little pieces throughout various numerous garbage bins all throughout a building. Who could freak someone out enough to make them do that?
lol please provide proof for at least half of the wild ass claims you made... ;) ;) ;)
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First off, you're demanding conclusions that none of us are qualified to make.
If I had to speculate, ...I would say, probably the same people that stole all the gold from the vaults underneath WTC for starters. The same people with the power to order immigration officials to grant the supposed 19 hijackers visa status when their applications were originally rejected. The same people with the power to get NORAD to stand down, ...and the same people with intimate knowledge of the upgrades to the Pentagon's structural integrity. They would also be able to get their hands on military grade thermite. I would say these are all factors that the culprits would have in common. People so high up & well placed that a top air traffic controller felt the need to shred tapes of conversations into a gadzillion pieces, and dispose of those little pieces throughout various numerous garbage bins all throughout a building. Who could freak someone out enough to make them do that?
So the answer is you wont give a name or org because you know it will lead to questions you have no answer for or will lead to dead ends on your part.
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You people should really understand the meaning of the word speculation. ::)
My mistake was in assuming there were those among you already familiar with many of the facts in the case.
If you need to be brought up to speed, ...sorry... I'm afraid someone else will have to do it.
I have neither the time, desire, nor inclination to do so... not about this 9 year old event.
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You people should really understand the meaning of the word speculation. ::)
My mistake was in assuming there were those among you already familiar with many of the facts in the case.
If you need to be brought up to speed, ...sorry... I'm afraid someone else will have to do it.
I have neither the time, desire, nor inclination to do so... not about this 9 year old event.
LOL you sound alot like 240 with his condi rice bull shit...
alright lets do this give us one thing that isnt able to be debunked with a 2 second google search ;) :D :D :D
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Its plainly obvious from the evidence and eyewitness accounts in this thread, that its an inside job. Anyone who doesnt believe this is bushs best friend and has his head up his ass.
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Its plainly obvious from the evidence and eyewitness accounts in this thread, that its an inside job. Anyone who doesnt believe this is bushs best friend and has his head up his ass.
Try that idiocy in a courtroom and see where it gets you.
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AGAIN...im open to any type of evidence that isnt debunked with a 2 second google search...
ive been talking about this for 9 years and still havent been able to ascertain one shred of evidence that isnt debunked in 2 secs from any ct'er...240, tarzan....anybody else want to try?
jag, horse you guys seemed convinced this was an inside job so please any shred of evidence...
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First off, you're demanding conclusions that none of us are qualified to make.
If I had to speculate, ...I would say, probably the same people that stole all the gold from the vaults underneath WTC for starters. The same people with the power to order immigration officials to grant the supposed 19 hijackers visa status when their applications were originally rejected. The same people with the power to get NORAD to stand down, ...and the same people with intimate knowledge of the upgrades to the Pentagon's structural integrity.
YES
GOOD POST
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AGAIN...im open to any type of evidence that isnt debunked with a 2 second google search...
ive been talking about this for 9 years and still havent been able to ascertain one shred of evidence that isnt debunked in 2 secs from any ct'er...240, tarzan....anybody else want to try?
jag, horse you guys seemed convinced this was an inside job so please any shred of evidence...
schweppes would you care to try the google 2 second challenge?
so far not ct'er has stepped up to the plate only posting to pat other idiots on the back...
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No?
not one of you ct'ers are willing to put up one shred of evidence that can be backed up?
come on now, you guys have been padding each other on the back for 9 yrs now...surely you guys can put together one piece, one shred, one small ounce of evidence that cant be debunked with a 2 second google search...
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First off, you're demanding conclusions that none of us are qualified to make.
If I had to speculate, ...I would say, probably the same people that stole all the gold from the vaults underneath WTC for starters. The same people with the power to order immigration officials to grant the supposed 19 hijackers visa status when their applications were originally rejected. The same people with the power to get NORAD to stand down, ...and the same people with intimate knowledge of the upgrades to the Pentagon's structural integrity. They would also be able to get their hands on military grade thermite. I would say these are all factors that the culprits would have in common. People so high up & well placed that a top air traffic controller felt the need to shred tapes of conversations into a gadzillion pieces, and dispose of those little pieces throughout various numerous garbage bins all throughout a building. Who could freak someone out enough to make them do that?
Well ya know, if Bush can bribe the media and the CIA can control the media, as I'm pretty sure you believe, then Bush could have masterminded the whole hologram, missiles, kidnapping of passengers, destruction of planes, murder, etc. on 911.
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I gotta be honest Im going to take the fact that nobody is posting evidence in this thread and the fact that you ct nuts are posting around this thread as admission that you guys have no evidence what so ever...
but anytime one of you morons wants to play the 2 second google challenge you p.m. me and we will play ;) :D :D :D
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schweppes would you care to try the google 2 second challenge?
so far not ct'er has stepped up to the plate only posting to pat other idiots on the back...
Google searches aren't proof, simply food for thought. You can find somebody to contest anything on google.
Cripes, for a while there, I had people on these very boards, disputing my sex, my race, my weight. etc.
I claim to be a woman, and you could find someone contesting that.
I claim to be Black, and there were those who contested that.
Some who even claimed me to be fat & balding. :o Hello!!! Moi... male, fat, white & balding? ::)
Regarding 911, I'm not referring to theory... I stated facts. Thermite was found in the rubble, NORAD did stand down, Gold was removed from underground WTC vaults. The supposed 19 hijackers had their visa apps rejected. Those that rejected them, were ordered to reconsider their original decision. An Air traffic control supervisor testified to how he disposed of the taped conversations between ATC and the flights. These are facts, not theories.
No matter how you slice it, the brains and the muscle and the logistics behind this operation was domestic,
...as are all the road blocks into it's proper investigation. Cui Bono? Certainly not the muslims.
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Google searches aren't proof, simply food for thought. You can find somebody to contest anything on google.
Cripes, for a while there, I had people on these very boards, disputing my sex, my race, my weight. etc.
I claim to be a woman, and you could find someone contesting that.
I claim to be Black, and there were those who contested that.
Some who even claimed me to be fat & balding. :o Hello!!! Moi... male, fat, white & balding? ::)
Regarding 911, I'm not referring to theory... I stated facts. Thermite was found in the rubble, NORAD did stand down, Gold was removed from underground WTC vaults. The supposed 19 hijackers had their visa apps rejected. Those that rejected them, were ordered to reconsider their original decision. An Air traffic control supervisor testified to how he disposed of the taped conversations between ATC and the flights. These are facts, not theories.
No matter how you slice it, the brains and the muscle and the logistics behind this operation was domestic,
...as are all the road blocks into it's proper investigation. Cui Bono? Certainly not the muslims.
AGAIN EXACTLY THANK YOU
if these guys cant take time to do there own research than its too bad for them
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things like only one video camera filming the pentagon on 911 and it only picking up four frames of footage lololololololol
nothing but a million coincidences i guess
nothing to see here
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things like only one video camera filming the pentagon on 911 and it only picking up four frames of footage lololololololol
nothing but a million coincidences i guess
nothing to see here
Truer words have not been spoken. There is nothing to see there.
We all know what went down, ...or rather what didn't.
but they do want us to continue to be focused on 911.
I say, when they want you looking in one direction, you'd better be looking in the other.
There is so much taking place right in front of our eyes, and we really need to understand what's truly going on and not be diverted by the endless shell game being perpetrated in front of our eyes.
I've said it before, and I'll say it again til the day I die: Learn how to dance in the rain!
There are forces in this world that are larger than us; forces over which we have no control.
When storm winds start blowing, your progress, or lack thereof is dependent upon how you set your sail.
Set your sail correctly, and you'll be propelled to your intended destination that much faster.
Set your sail incorrectly, ...and your hull will be dashed on the rocks. Simply set your sail appropriately.
So rather than scream about the coming storm, ...better to learn how to dance in the rain.
i've been dancing in the rain for years... crisis after crisis after crisis. That's why I really don't give a poop
Better to light a candle than to curse the darkness. Educate yourselves and set your sails appropriately.
I know... sometimes the game is rigged against you, ...but that's no excuse.
That's simply an opportunity to hone your skills and overcome obstacles.
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things like only one video camera filming the pentagon on 911 and it only picking up four frames of footage lololololololol
nothing but a million coincidences i guess
nothing to see here
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things like only one video camera filming the pentagon on 911 and it only picking up four frames of footage lololololololol
nothing but a million coincidences i guess
nothing to see here
Hahahahahahahaha. You really want to hang your hat on this? That has been debunked hundreds of times. Perhaps you should learn about speed and camera types before you just bite on any old piece of crap put in front of you.
Wait, you forgot to mention that a military plane was seen overhead just after the "missle" hit, further proving that the US military was responsible for blowing up the pentagon. Well, that proves it, 333 is crazy.
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Notice how not one person can refute the videos I posted?
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Notice how not one person can refute the videos I posted?
Did anybody actually watch them? :D
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Notice how not one person can refute the videos I posted?
I could but would there be a point? I'm so done with debating this topic. Everyone has their opinion in cement. Unless something really new comes out, I don't see the point to yet another repeat thread like this.
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Did anybody actually watch them? :D
3 loves snake oil salesmen... you know the people who have no facts, basis or credibility but through sheer bullshitting can sell you anything. 3 has purchased a boatload of bullshit and now is too embarrassed to admit he has been had so instead he trys to defend his snake oil and push it onto anyone/everyone else...Sorry 3...not buying your SNAKE OIL. Like Jag said...you better learn to dance in the rain else your boat is going to be dashed on the rocks.
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3 Obviously did not watch them...
I admit I didn't watch 3's clips either. I was skeered there might be a "Drinking With Bob" clip mixed in. :o
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I admit I didn't watch 3's clips either. I was skeered there might be a "Drinking With Bob" clip mixed in. :o
I had to correct my post...I thought you meant did he watch the selection of Mons vids that captured so much that occured that day. Those dumb post three posted are teh CIA, FBI, NSA etc LIES posted to distract the weak minded and easily fooled. 3 hasn't learned to dance in the rain yet...so he will drown
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3 loves snake oil salesmen...
Really?! :o
And all this time, when he accused me of being a snake oil saleman, I thought he was trying to disparage me.
Instead, it was really just a term of affection... go figure. :D
Like Jag said...you better learn to dance in the rain else your boat is going to be dashed on the rocks.
Actually it was more along the lines of "you better set your sail correctly, or your hull will be dashed on the rocks" ...and "Don't scream about the coming storm, ...instead learn how to dance in the rain"... but I think you got the thrust of it. :)
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Conspiracy theorists sure have a lot of extra time.
Ever notice that?
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Conspiracy theorists sure have a lot of extra time.
Ever notice that?
Hi Garebear, whatcha up to these days? Whereabouts in the world are you now?
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Hi Garebear, whatcha up to these days? Whereabouts in the world are you now?
Hey there. What are you doing up so early?
I'm in Illinois, finishing up my last year for a BA in politics.
Just got to get this stupid ass degree and then I'm globe trotting again.
See you at Niagara Falls.
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Hey there. What are you doing up so early?
I'm in Illinois, finishing up my last year for a BA in politics.
Just got to get this stupid ass degree and then I'm globe trotting again.
See you at Niagara Falls.
Who's up early? I'm up late. Should have to bed 2 hrs ago, but I'm too wired.
This week is wild. TIFF's in town. Gonna down an ounce of GABA and see if I can wake up by 2pm
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I could but would there be a point? I'm so done with debating this topic. Everyone has their opinion in cement. Unless something really new comes out, I don't see the point to yet another repeat thread like this.
No you freaking can't and you know it. What is the CT that you clowns are going to use now for those videos? The Govt wrapped the missle in metal and covering to make it look like an American Airlines plane?
Again - 9 years later - and you are still as clueless as ever.
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Who's up early? I'm up late. Should have to bed 2 hrs ago, but I'm too wired.
This week is wild. TIFF's in town. Gonna down an ounce of GABA and see if I can wake up by 2pm
I always get up early.
I can only deduce from your last sentence that your drug-pushing friend "Tiff" is in town and she has your drug of choice for sale, codenamed GABA.
Slow it down, girl. There's a reason so many rock stars die in their twenties.
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I have judged the theory that 911 was an inside job as being a steaming pile of horse crap.
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I have judged the theory that 911 was an inside job as being a steaming pile of horse crap.
Again - I ask for names theories, places, dates, etc, and what do i get? Rambling BS the same as it was 8 years ago.
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Really?! :o
And all this time, when he accused me of being a snake oil saleman, I thought he was trying to disparage me.
Instead, it was really just a term of affection... go figure. :D
Don't try to figure him out he has reached the clinical sage of LUNACY now. I expect to see him on the news soon, being either carted off in hand cuffs or shot dead like that guy who worked for The Discovery Channel over this hair brain belief that the Arabs/Islam is out to get america. The reality of life has escaped him and in its place is the FALSE REALITY or MATRIX that he thinks is real. I say good luck to him deprogramming/unplugging himself from that mindset... it only gets worst the more he DOESN'T fight it.
Actually it was more along the lines of "you better set your sail correctly, or your hull will be dashed on the rocks" ...and "Don't scream about the coming storm, ...instead learn how to dance in the rain"... but I think you got the thrust of it. :)
I got it Jag ;D ;D ;D It was late when I posted my response and somewhere along the line the verbatimness escaped me, but the point did not..
BTW...Poor guy is still posting challenges to his warped opinion. Sad...Watching 3 is like watching a caged animal go mad like those vids of dogs biting their own leg and/or tail because to them its strange or somehow should not be there.
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Hey idiot - i have been nice towards you so far, but don't test me.
I have asked you for a theory, something, names, places, dates, something, and all you do is ramble endlessly with nothing but BS.
So present your case, in total, or STFU.
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Hey idiot - i have been nice towards you so far, but don't test me.
I have asked you for a theory, something, names, places, dates, something, and all you do is ramble endlessly with nothing but BS.
So present your case, in total, or STFU.
Hey ASSHOLE...you are the last person I am worried about. Don't try the internet tough guy bullshit...doesn't work for anyone else and it won't work for you. Go back and read the posts and information and FACTS everyone else has posted, read the investigations, books, research done by EXPERTS and spare us the lame as "I have a friend crap" or " I saw a show on tv" nonsense. Hysterically you post videos made by the NSA, CIA, FBI, Homeland Security etc... parts of the same US government you spend your whole life on this board complaining of being distrustful, lying to the masses, being communist yet you believe them on this matter. Ironic isn't it?????
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Samson still rambling about "facts" when she's been caught in how many lies now? Over a dozen at this point.
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Samson still rambling about "facts" when she's been caught in how many lies now? Over a dozen at this point.
If these CT'ers on 911 don't believe the official story, the least they can do is cobble together an alternate theory as to what they occured.
But no!
Instead we get rambling insults and name calling.
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If these CT'ers on 911 don't believe the official story, the least they can do is cobble together an alternate theory as to what they occured.
But no!
Instead we get rambling insults and name calling.
Seems to be the modus operandi of the stupid and uninformed.
Don't worry, Samson will regale you with a rambling, incoherent meltdown, complete with lots of randomly capitalized words and threats of violence in response your post right here. Of course, she won't actually refute any of your claims or actually answer your questions but she'll insult you enough that it won't matter. :D
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Seems to be the modus operandi of the stupid and uninformed.
Don't worry, Samson will regale you with a rambling, incoherent meltdown, complete with lots of randomly capitalized words and threats of violence in response your post right here. Of course, she won't actually refute any of your claims or actually answer your questions but she'll insult you enough that it won't matter. :D
I'm not kidding - what i want from just one of these people is this:
"Here is what i believe occurred. here is how I believe it happened, how it was pulled off, who did it, how they did it, and how they covered it up"
If they believe its a demo op, show me how the building were rigged up, who they got past security, how they got permits, how they were not caught on CCTV screeens, how there was no audible noise of demo before the collapse, etc.
Wioth regard to the pentagon, same thing. How do these people explain the aircraft debris strwen across the lawn as well as the downed light posts? what about the witnesses who sdaid they saw the plane hit/. the families of those on board these placnes, etc etc?
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I'm not kidding - what i want from just one of these people is this:
"Here is what i believe occurred. here is how I believe it happened, how it was pulled off, who did it, how they did it, and how they covered it up"
If they believe its a demo op, show me how the building were rigged up, who they got past security, how they got permits, how they were not caught on CCTV screeens, how there was no audible noise of demo before the collapse, etc.
Wioth regard to the pentagon, same thing. How do these people explain the aircraft debris strwen across the lawn as well as the downed light posts? what about the witnesses who sdaid they saw the plane hit/. the families of those on board these placnes, etc etc?
Hahah, good luck with that. Have you seen the bitch-slapping Samson got when she tried to discuss aircraft parts? That was one of the many lies she got called out on. Was a beat down by, I think, "thelamefalsehood".
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Hahah, good luck with that. Have you seen the bitch-slapping Samson got when she tried to discuss aircraft parts? That was one of the many lies she got called out on. Was a beat down by, I think, "thelamefalsehood".
I try to discuss these issues with some of the CT'ers and they just hurl insults. That's fine, but at some point, 9 years later, they have to man up and either present a credible alternative theory, or STFU.
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I always get up early.
I can only deduce from your last sentence that your drug-pushing friend "Tiff" is in town and she has your drug of choice for sale, codenamed GABA.
Slow it down, girl. There's a reason so many rock stars die in their twenties.
LOL! TIFF stands for "Toronto International Film Festival" aka a whirlwind of film screenings, private parties, galas, receptions, from dusk to dawn... and maybe a few hours of sleep in between. A bevy of stars and a boatload of international film makers, buyers & distributors from all four corners of the globe converging on Toronto at once, promoting their products.
GABA stands for Gamma amino butyric acid. I take the Night Cap brand of liquid GABA produced by PURe Chemistry.
Makes me sleep like a baby. :)
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I'm not kidding - what i want from just one of these people is this:
"Here is what i believe occurred. here is how I believe it happened, how it was pulled off, who did it, how they did it, and how they covered it up"
If they believe its a demo op, show me how the building were rigged up, who they got past security, how they got permits, how they were not caught on CCTV screeens, how there was no audible noise of demo before the collapse, etc.
Wioth regard to the pentagon, same thing. How do these people explain the aircraft debris strwen across the lawn as well as the downed light posts? what about the witnesses who sdaid they saw the plane hit/. the families of those on board these placnes, etc etc?
333386 That's a whole lot of info you're asking for. There was one website that I came across in 2002 or 2003 that fully delved into all of that. It was over 7 years ago and I no longer have the url. I had saved the link in a .mhtl file, but was lost during the crash of my last computer. It pretty much addressed all those questions and was one of the most complete sites with information I had ever seen. A virtual one stop shop of 911 info that was compelling & very plausible. I can't say without a doubt, the theories they proposed is what went down, but it was certainly the only site that had put together answers on all these questions.
As for security etc., it covered that including the fact that Bush's own cousin was in charge of security for the buildings. it even went into detail about the temporary and impromptu days off given to security personnel & their bomb sniffing canine partners, in the days before 911. It talked about the many reports of activity on flloors that were supposed to have been empty or off limits; floors the elevators did not even stop on.
All the info and plausible theories to questions posed are out there, just do a little research.
The idea that one could dismiss the idea of the moon being a sunlight reflecting satellite of the earth, simply because some crackpot put out the theory that the moon was made of green cheese is completely illogical.
You appear to want a neat & tidy answer to 911, ...but as the evidence clearly shows... there's nothing neat & tidy about 911, ...not even the giant ridiculous conspiracy theory put forth by the government. Now there's a conspiracy theory with more holes in it than a slab of Swiss cheese. :-\
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I just want a plausible alternative that i can look into and consider that takes into accoun t real world issues that would have been had to have been dealt with if it was a inside job.
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BTW - One of the biggest smoking guns in all of this... aside from Silversteins admission to demolishing building 7, was a FEMA head being interviewed saying they got the call and were ordered to arrive in NYC Monday night. I believe it was either Peter Jennings or Tom Brokaw who interviewed him. The footage aired only once, but the man clearly stated they got their marching orders on Monday evening. If you check your calendar... you'll see 911 occured on a Tuesday. Clearly, someone in government... someone with the ability to direct FEMA activities had advanced inside knowledge of 911.
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You appear to want a neat & tidy answer to 911, ...but as the evidence clearly shows... there's nothing neat & tidy about 911, ...not even the giant ridiculous conspiracy theory put forth by the government. Now there's a conspiracy theory with more holes in it than a slab of Swiss cheese. :-\
I love statements like these. One big disclaimer for why you can't prove shit. You can't rail on about how you're convinced of this and that and then make your theories immune to criticism by claiming that there's a ton of stuff that you can't account for. You can't account for it because you don't know what you're talking about.
This is why you 9/11 tards are laughing stocks. You acknowledge that you can't account for everything let alone prove anything and then expect to be taken seriously.
Fuck off.
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BTW - One of the biggest smoking guns in all of this... aside from Silversteins admission to demolishing building 7, was a FEMA head being interviewed saying they got the call and were ordered to arrive in NYC Monday night. I believe it was either Peter Jennings or Tom Brokaw who interviewed him. The footage aired only once, but the man clearly stated they got their marching orders on Monday evening. If you check your calendar... you'll see 911 occured on a Tuesday. Clearly, someone in government... someone with the ability to direct FEMA activities had advanced inside knowledge of 911.
I watched plenty of videos thatt he building was known to be heavily damaged after the fall of the two towers and thatt he firemen knew the building was going to collapse from early on. There are plenty of videos explaining this.
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I just want a plausible alternative that i can look into and consider that takes into accoun t real world issues that would have been had to have been dealt with if it was a inside job.
It's all out there. Just do a little research. Dismiss the ridiculous, consider the plausible, and don't let yourself be derailed by those who would attempt to mix a bit of the ridiculous in with the facts in order to have you dismiss the entire package ...facts included.
That would be like me saying the Federal Reserve is not a Federal institution, but is instead a cartel of private bankers, who conspired on Jekyll Island to create a system that empowered them to control the money supply of the USA and other nations. If someone else threw into the mix that they thought these private bankers were also magical with the ability to read people's thoughts, and poop 24K golden eggs, ...would you have to accept that part too? Would that be enough to get you to dismiss the entire notion... including that a group of private individuals conspired on Jekyll island to control the money supply. Calm down and learn to separate fact from fiction.
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BTW - One of the biggest smoking guns in all of this... aside from Silversteins admission to demolishing building 7, was a FEMA head being interviewed saying they got the call and were ordered to arrive in NYC Monday night. I believe it was either Peter Jennings or Tom Brokaw who interviewed him. The footage aired only once, but the man clearly stated they got their marching orders on Monday evening. If you check your calendar... you'll see 911 occured on a Tuesday. Clearly, someone in government... someone with the ability to direct FEMA activities had advanced inside knowledge of 911.
LMFAO wow this right here says it all...
have you ever done any research on either one of these jag?
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It's all out there. Just do a little research. Dismiss the ridiculous, consider the plausible, and don't let yourself be derailed by those who would attempt to mix a bit of the ridiculous in with the facts in order to have you dismiss the entire package ...facts included.
That would be like me saying the Federal Reserve is not a Federal institution, but is instead a cartel of private bankers, who conspired on Jekyll Island to create a system that empowered them to control the money supply of the USA and other nations. If someone else threw into the mix that they thought these private bankers were also magical with the ability to read people's thoughts, and poop 24K golden eggs, ...would you have to accept that part too? Would that be enough to get you to dismiss the entire notion... including that a group of private individuals conspired on Jekyll island to control the money supply. Calm down and learn to separate fact from fiction.
forget the theoretical, i want the reality.
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I love statements like these. One big disclaimer for why you can't prove shit. You can't rail on about how you're convinced of this and that and then make your theories immune to criticism by claiming that there's a ton of stuff that you can't account for. You can't account for it because you don't know what you're talking about.
This is why you 9/11 tards are laughing stocks. You acknowledge that you can't account for everything let alone prove anything and then expect to be taken seriously.
Fuck off.
...Like the government has been able to prove it's theory? they haven't even tried.
not only have they not tried... they block all attempts to do so, or even gather evidence from one of the biggest crime scenes in existence. instead, they gather up all the evidence and ship it off to China to be melted down. You accept this... yet call me a 911 tard? ::)
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Ron Paul doesn't believe in the nutty CT.
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...Like the government has been able to prove it's theory? they haven't even tried.
not only have they not tried... they block all attempts to do so, or even gather evidence from one of the biggest crime scenes in existence. instead, they gather up all the evidence and ship it off to China to be melted down. You accept this... yet call me a 911 tard? ::)
well then i guess that means your idiocy is above question then?
lol not proving the null does not prove the alternative....HOW MANY TIMES DOES THAT NEED TO BE EXPLAINED TO YOU CT NUTS???
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well then i guess that means your idiocy is above question then?
lol not proving the null does not prove the alternative....HOW MANY TIMES DOES THAT NEED TO BE EXPLAINED TO YOU CT NUTS???
I posted videos in the other thread clearly showing aircraft materials all over the lawn, witnesses claiming they saw a AA aircraft hit the building, etc, the light poles down, etc etc, and yet none of you CT'er address that.
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I watched plenty of videos thatt he building was known to be heavily damaged after the fall of the two towers and thatt he firemen knew the building was going to collapse from early on. There are plenty of videos explaining this.
The building didn't collapse, it was demo'ed. A building that's damaged doesn't fall into it's own footprint in seconds. It was demolished. Silverstein even admitted so much. The next question that bears asking is when did they find the time to rig the building with explosives... Do you think that they did that on 911 with all the activity going on that day? Let's use some common sense here. Cui bono?
Looks like Silverstein was one lucky man. Not only did he save himself a fortune in necessary & mandatory renovations to rid the buildings of asbestos, ...he also make a killing on the insurance payouts. Wow, what a fortunate coincidence. I guess the universe was conspiring to enrich Larry Silverstein. ::)
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Arianna Huffington despises this nutty theory, and has banned 911 CT nuts from her blogging:
More full disclosure: I despise 9/11 "truther" conspiracies. Indeed, one of the guidelines for bloggers on HuffPost is a ban on posts putting forth those kinds of theories. And it was stupid of Van to put his name on a very stupid "9/11 Truth Statement." I've spoken to Van. He doesn't believe that the Bush administration orchestrated the 9/11 attacks or allowed the attacks to happen in a cold-hearted attempt to gin up support. The 9/11 "Truthers" are fringe-dwellers and Van was completely wrong to allow himself to be associated with them.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/arianna-huffington/thank-you-glenn-beck_b_278839.html
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The comedian Bill Maher, himself a stone cold idiot, thinks 911 CT nuts are . . . nuts.
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The building didn't collapse, it was demo'ed. A building that's damaged doesn't fall into it's own footprint in seconds. It was demolished. Silverstein even admitted so much. The next question that bears asking is when did they find the time to rig the building with explosives... Do you think that they did that on 911 with all the activity going on that day? Let's use some common sense here. Cui bono?
Looks like Silverstein was one lucky man. Not only did he save himself a fortune in necessary & mandatory renovations to rid the buildings of asbestos, ...he also make a killing on the insurance payouts. Wow, what a fortunate coincidence. I guess the universe was conspiring to enrich Larry Silverstein. ::)
its painfully clear that youve never researched any of this which is not suprising it is true ct'er fashion in all honesty...
youre taking silversteins comments out of context he never admitted to it he was refering to the firefighters inside the building not the building itself...
also the whole foot print bs has also been debunked time and time again... ::) ::) ::)
more proof that ct'ers dont look at evidence that debunks their idiocy...
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Beach, something you don't seem to understand is that each person (or I would at least like to think so) forms their own opinions independently of what Ron Paul, Ariana Huffington, or Bill Maher may think. they are entitled to their own opinions just as I am entitled to mine. There are questions about 911 that have yet to be satisfactorily answered, and there are facts concerning 911 that point in one direction and one direction only, ...and it isn't to 19 guys with box cutters, or some guy hiding out in a cave somewhere.
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its painfully clear that youve never researched any of this which is not suprising it is true ct'er fashion in all honesty...
youre taking silversteins comments out of context he never admitted to it he was refering to the firefighters inside the building not the building itself...
also the whole foot print bs has also been debunked time and time again... ::) ::) ::)
more proof that ct'ers dont look at evidence that debunks their idiocy...
What planet are you living on? :o *plonk*
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Beach, something you don't seem to understand is that each person (or I would at least like to think so) forms their own opinions independently of what Ron Paul, Ariana Huffington, or Bill Maher may think. they are entitled to their own opinions just as I am entitled to mine. There are questions about 911 that have yet to be satisfactorily answered, and there are facts concerning 911 that point in one direction and one direction only, ...and it isn't to 19 guys with box cutters, or some guy hiding out in a cave somewhere.
I understand completely that people form their own opinions. What I'm doing is posting comments from others who think your opinion is pretty darn stupid.
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The comedian Bill Maher, himself a stone cold idiot, thinks 911 CT nuts are . . . nuts.
If you know anything about Bill Maher, you'd know he learned first hand that 911 is a hot potato topic he wants no part of.
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If you know anything about Bill Maher, you'd know he learned first hand that 911 is a hot potato topic he wants no part of.
I know he's an idiot. Even idiots know how dumb this "theory" is.
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its painfully clear that youve never researched any of this which is not suprising it is true ct'er fashion in all honesty...
youre taking silversteins comments out of context he never admitted to it he was refering to the firefighters inside the building not the building itself...
also the whole foot print bs has also been debunked time and time again... ::) ::) ::)
more proof that ct'ers dont look at evidence that debunks their idiocy...
I guess the explosives were put at the exact area the plane hit. ::) ::)
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What planet are you living on? :o *plonk*
LOL please provide your proof jagalicious and ill make you look even foolish than you do now...
just a tid bit for you
keep going cause there is more honey ;) :D :D
also look up NIST darling ;)
have you ever looked at the evidence that debunks your theories jag?
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NYFD is in on the CT too.
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NYFD is in on the CT too.
Tens of thousands of people were but, surprisingly, nothing has ever leaked out about it. Meanwhile, the CIA can't even cover up their moving a HVT from one country to the next. Yup, seems plausible. ::)
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LOL please provide your proof jagalicious and ill make you look even foolish than you do now...
just a tid bit for you
keep going cause there is more honey ;) :D :D
also look up NIST darling ;)
have you ever looked at the evidence that debunks your theories jag?
I believe what I do, and 3 buildings collapsing in their own footprint from fire, do not add up to me.
You are free to continue to believe whatever you will. I have my opinion, and I'm generous enough to permit you to have yours.
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It's all out there. Just do a little research. Dismiss the ridiculous, consider the plausible, and don't let yourself be derailed by those who would attempt to mix a bit of the ridiculous in with the facts in order to have you dismiss the entire package ...facts included.
That would be like me saying the Federal Reserve is not a Federal institution, but is instead a cartel of private bankers, who conspired on Jekyll Island to create a system that empowered them to control the money supply of the USA and other nations. If someone else threw into the mix that they thought these private bankers were also magical with the ability to read people's thoughts, and poop 24K golden eggs, ...would you have to accept that part too? Would that be enough to get you to dismiss the entire notion... including that a group of private individuals conspired on Jekyll island to control the money supply. Calm down and learn to separate fact from fiction.
He can't...THAT'S THE DAMN PROBLEM...
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Let's do this for a 5th time - give me a coherent, non-rambling, CT that is plausible or SSSTTTFFFUUUUUU! ! ! ! !
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I believe what I do, and 3 buildings collapsing in their own footprint from fire, do not add up to me.
You are free to continue to believe whatever you will. I have my opinion, and I'm generous enough to permit you to have yours.
the problem is your opinion isnt based on facts its based on your opinion...
http://wtc.nist.gov/pubs/factsheets/faqs_8_2006.htm
As stated in Section 5.3.2 of NIST NCSTAR 1, a document from the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey (PANYNJ) indicated that the impact of a [single, not multiple] Boeing 707 aircraft was analyzed during the design stage of the WTC towers. However, NIST investigators were unable to locate any documentation of the criteria and method used in the impact analysis and, therefore, were unable to verify the assertion that “… such collision would result in only local damage which could not cause collapse or substantial damage to the building.…”
Some 200 technical experts—including about 85 career NIST experts and 125 leading experts from the private sector and academia—reviewed tens of thousands of documents, interviewed more than 1,000 people, reviewed 7,000 segments of video footage and 7,000 photographs, analyzed 236 pieces of steel from the wreckage, performed laboratory tests and sophisticated computer simulations of the sequence of events that occurred from the moment the aircraft struck the towers until they began to collapse.
Based on this comprehensive investigation, NIST concluded that the WTC towers collapsed because: (1) the impact of the planes severed and damaged support columns, dislodged fireproofing insulation coating the steel floor trusses and steel columns, and widely dispersed jet fuel over multiple floors; and (2) the subsequent unusually large jet-fuel ignited multi-floor fires (which reached temperatures as high as 1,000 degrees Celsius) significantly weakened the floors and columns with dislodged fireproofing to the point where floors sagged and pulled inward on the perimeter columns. This led to the inward bowing of the perimeter columns and failure of the south face of WTC 1 and the east face of WTC 2, initiating the collapse of each of the towers. Both photographic and video evidence—as well as accounts from the New York Police Department aviation unit during a half-hour period prior to collapse—support this sequence for each tower.
NIST’s findings do not support the “pancake theory” of collapse, which is premised on a progressive failure of the floor systems in the WTC towers (the composite floor system—that connected the core columns and the perimeter columns—consisted of a grid of steel “trusses” integrated with a concrete slab; see diagram below). Instead, the NIST investigation showed conclusively that the failure of the inwardly bowed perimeter columns initiated collapse and that the occurrence of this inward bowing required the sagging floors to remain connected to the columns and pull the columns inwards. Thus, the floors did not fail progressively to cause a pancaking phenomenon.
BUT HEY DONT LET FACTS GET IN THE WAY... ::) ::) ::)
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the problem is your opinion isnt based on facts its based on your opinion...
How can my opinion be based on my opinion? That's like saying the chicken hatched from the egg it laid.
I don't even know why I bother to engage you. As for the redundant crap, deleted it for the sake of space.
For the record... my opinions are based on facts. ALL the facts, ...not just a selective few from those afraid to stand up or afraid to tout anything other than the official party line. My opinion is what it is, ...yours is different. there is no law that says you have to believe what I do, ...or that I have to believe what you do. we have different opinions on the matter. Let's leave it at that. Please & Thank you.
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How can my opinion be based on my opinion? That's like saying the chicken hatched from the egg it laid.
I don't even know why I bother to engage you. As for the redundant crap, deleted it for the sake of space.
For the record... my opinions are based on facts. ALL the facts, ...not just a selective few from those afraid to stand up or afraid to tout anything other than the official party line. My opinion is what it is, ...yours is different. there is no law that says you have to believe what I do, ...or that I have to believe what you do. we have different opinions on the matter. Let's leave it at that. Please & Thank you.
Your opinions are based on fuck all. You know this as you've nicely slipped in a disclaimer for your stupid theories because you're incapable of accounting for anything, let alone everything.
Facts? Is that what people are calling youtube videos these days?
You really are a sickeningly stupid woman.
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Let's do this again. Now for a 6th time.
Can you CT'ers give me a CT I can consider vs the planes in WTC and plane in pentagon story?
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How can my opinion be based on my opinion? That's like saying the chicken hatched from the egg it laid.
I don't even know why I bother to engage you. As for the redundant crap, deleted it for the sake of space.
For the record... my opinions are based on facts. ALL the facts, ...not just a selective few from those afraid to stand up or afraid to tout anything other than the official party line. My opinion is what it is, ...yours is different. there is no law that says you have to believe what I do, ...or that I have to believe what you do. we have different opinions on the matter. Let's leave it at that. Please & Thank you.
please list these facts and the sources for them ;)
youre correct there is no law saying we must agree but there is the law of reality in which your opinion doesnt coincide in.
again please list your facts and the sources for them and we shall show you the errors
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The bottomline is the US government did absolutely nothing to prevent or prepare for the attacks on 9/11 yet the day after they happened there were already war plans drawn up to go invade Iraq and Afghtanistan. Seems a little too convenient to me. In my opinion Osama Bin Laden was a CIA operative and entities inside the US government knew exactly what was going to happen. Whether they actually helped it along by planting bombs or whatever who knows and who cares. THe government is lying through its teeth about the events. Also the defense budget grew overnight by $400 billion after 9/11. 9/11 was all about oil. And that is why we are in Iraq. That is why we are in Afghanistan and that is why we will be at war with Iran in the next few years. Britain and the US must maintain control over the vast oil reserves in the middle east plain and simple. France, Germany, Russia, and China were all against the US going into Iraq and voted accordingly in at the UN. They had $23 billion worth of oil contracts with Iraq. And after the war all of it just happened to disappear and Iraq's debt to those countries were forgiven. I don't know why or how......I mean yeah we have nuclear weapons etc.and the most powerful military in the world.........but the USA has some major fucking pull in the world. I think it has to do with shit that happened back in a town called Roswell. We have been threatening and bullying the world for the last 50 years. And it's not like Russia and China or other countries couldn't come together and fight us but they don't and they won't. And that reason is a secret. There is something we have that far out paces what any other country has in the form of weapons or technology. HAARP? Space weapons? Bases on the moon? Who knows!
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please list these facts and the sources for them ;)
youre correct there is no law saying we must agree but there is the law of reality in which your opinion doesnt coincide in.
again please list your facts and the sources for them and we shall show you the errors
Good luck with that, dude. Every time this dumb bitch gets called out on something she just vanishes from the thread. I suspect she'll shortly be doing the same with this one.
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The bottomline is the US government did absolutely nothing to prevent or prepare for the attacks on 9/11 yet the day after they happened there were already war plans drawn up to go invade Iraq and Afghtanistan. Seems a little too convenient to me. In my opinion Osama Bin Laden was a CIA operative and entities inside the US government knew exactly what was going to happen. Whether they actually helped it along by planting bombs or whatever who knows and who cares. THe government is lying through its teeth about the events. Also the defense budget grew overnight by $400 billion after 9/11. 9/11 was all about oil. And that is why we are in Iraq. That is why we are in Afghanistan and that is why we will be at war with Iran in the next few years. Britain and the US must maintain control over the vast oil reserves in the middle east plain and simple. France, Germany, Russia, and China were all against the US going into Iraq and voted accordingly in at the UN. They had $23 billion worth of oil contracts with Iraq. And after the war all of it just happened to disappear and Iraq's debt to those countries were forgiven. I don't know why or how......I mean yeah we have nuclear weapons etc.and the most powerful military in the world.........but the USA has some major fucking pull in the world. I think it has to do with shit that happened back in a town called Roswell. We have been threatening and bullying the world for the last 50 years. And it's not like Russia and China or other countries couldn't come together and fight us but they don't and they won't. And that reason is a secret. There is something we have that far out paces what any other country has in the form of weapons or technology. HAARP? Space weapons? Bases on the moon? Who knows!
any type of sources to back any of this shit up?
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any type of sources to back any of this shit up?
Yeah I do. I'll have to dig up the primary sources as most of the information is from a book I'm currently reading called A Century of War by William F. Engdah. Check out the reviews on Amazon only one 1 star and 35 five star reviews. I've just gotten to the chaper on 9/11 today. It's fascinating and most of us have been taken for a ride whether you believe the official story or you are a tin foil hat CTer as far as the truth is concerned. I'll admit after having watched the 9/11 special on Saturday my opinions have changed a little which is what learning is all about. I will never believe the official story but I'm a little skeptical about some of these crazy conspiracy theories as well. But our government is up to some evil corrupt shit that's for sure and they do not have the best interests of the people most of all the soldiers who have died over there at heart.
http://www.amazon.com/Century-War-Anglo-American-Politics-World/product-reviews/0745323103/ref=cm_cr_pr_recent?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=0&sortBy=bySubmissionDateDescending
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How many of you guys have heard of Camp Bondsteel? The Balkans is a perfect example of why were are in the middle east and why the next target will be Iran. We broke the back of an economically prospering Yugoslavia. We are occupiers of Bosnia. We are occupiers of Iraq. We will be occupiers of Afghanistan and we will be knee deep in another war with Iran.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camp_Bondsteel
Hamid Karzai worked for the CIA and was a UNOCAL consultant? I.e. is a puppet for big oil? Before we went into Afghanistan and before 9/11 the US government was actually negotiating with the Taliban regarding oil deals and establishing oil drilling rights etc. in their country. The talks collapsed because the US did not want to agree to the terms of using a majority of the country's oil revenue profits to build up their country's infrastructure etc.
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The problem with this planning-911-for-oil theory is we don't own or control the oil. We still pay for it just like we did before the war, except now it costs more.
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The problem with this planning-911-for-oil theory is we don't own or control the oil. We still pay for it just like we did before the war, except now it costs more.
soooo is Iraqi oil sold today in Euros or US Dollars?
Saddam switched to euros in 2003, didn't he? HUGE problem there. I'm wondernig if the new govt 'decided' to return to USD sales? ;)
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soooo is Iraqi oil sold today in Euros or US Dollars?
Saddam switched to euros in 2003, didn't he? HUGE problem there. I'm wondernig if the new govt 'decided' to return to USD sales? ;)
So?
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Dollar supremacy was a big reason we invaded, dude. Saddam dropping the dollar would hurt our economy in a major way. The new govt keeping oil sales in $USD is a HUGE HUGE victory.
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lol. So now it's not the oil it's "dollar supremacy"?
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NYFD is in on the CT too.
Ha ha.
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If 911 was an inside job, why didn't Bush say the hijackers (at least some of them) were from Iraq?
Boom, instant justification for Iraq War Plans.
Instead, it's a conspiracy, but Bush claims the hijackers were from Saudi Arabia. This puts him in the situation of HAVING TO CONVINCE THE ENTIRE COUNTRY AND WORLD that, even though many of the them were Saudi and none were Iraqi, Iraq is the right country to invade.
Why, if he is creating a conspiracy, would he make the situation nearly impossible for himself? HE WOULD CONTROL THE NARRATIVE IF HE CREATED IT, MORONS.
No CT person has ever answered this and I think I know why. It's much easier to pick at some small piece of evidence (tower fell this way or that, tower falling straight down) than to present a comprehensive case in argument.
Plus, CT people don't really intellectually engage people when debating. They usually just regurgitate the same crap they've seen on some nutjob's website and respond to no rational arguments.
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If 911 was an inside job, why didn't Bush say the hijackers (at least some of them) were from Iraq?
Boom, instant justification for Iraq War Plans.
Instead, it's a conspiracy, but Bush claims the hijackers were from Saudi Arabia. This puts him in the situation of HAVING TO CONVINCE THE ENTIRE COUNTRY AND WORLD that, even though many of the them were Saudi and none were Iraqi, Iraq is the right country to invade.
Why, if he is creating a conspiracy, would he make the situation nearly impossible for himself? HE WOULD CONTROL THE NARRATIVE IF HE CREATED IT, MORONS.
No CT person has ever answered this and I think I know why. It's much easier to pick at some small piece of evidence (tower fell this way or that, tower falling straight down) than to present a comprehensive case in argument.
Plus, CT people don't really intellectually engage people when debating. They usually just regurgitate the same crap they've seen on some nutjob's website and respond to no rational arguments.
Bush administration did in fact try to connect Al Qaeda to Iraq. It wasn't till after the invasion that they admitted there was no connection.
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Dollar supremacy was a big reason we invaded, dude. Saddam dropping the dollar would hurt our economy in a major way. The new govt keeping oil sales in $USD is a HUGE HUGE victory.
240, you said in an earlier post that Saddam DID change to the euro in 2003.....so where was that big "hurt our economy in a major way?" Was it a 5 yr delayed effect? ;D
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to be clear i do not dispute the pentagon. my question was concerning building #7 falling @ speed of gravity induced by fire. 3, do you know of any scientific studies that conclude fire caused the symmetrical collapse of this 47 story building?
one year of college physics makes me no expert but something doesn't add up here.
building #7 defied the laws of physics. (if not controlled demolition)
plain and simple.
-NT
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to be clear i do not dispute the pentagon. my question was concerning building #7 falling @ speed of gravity induced by fire. 3, do you know of any scientific studies that conclude fire caused the symmetrical collapse of this 47 story building?
one year of college physics makes me no expert but something doesn't add up here.
building #7 defied the laws of physics. (if not controlled demolition)
plain and simple.
-NT
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still does not add up. video provides no facts to back up assertions
-NT
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to be clear i do not dispute the pentagon. my question was concerning building #7 falling @ speed of gravity induced by fire. 3, do you know of any scientific studies that conclude fire caused the symmetrical collapse of this 47 story building?
one year of college physics makes me no expert but something doesn't add up here.
building #7 defied the laws of physics. (if not controlled demolition)
plain and simple.
-NT
Do we know for sure that fire is the only element of the WTC 7's collapse?
Absence or the inability to get evidence doesn't prove an opposing theory.
Until all the evidence and elements of the event are identified and verified the theory that the laws of physics were defied is pure conjecture.
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The place was engulfed in flames for hours.
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Controlled Demo my freaking ass!
Watchit hsi video - The WTC collapses at the very site where all the fires are.
So are you CT idiots going to claim now that demo teams knew precisely where the planes would hit? Ok - lets examine that - what businesses were at that site - are they in on it too since the demo teams had to have operated for weeks without being mentioned by anyone.
You CT fools are such a joke.
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if a 47 building fell at speed of gravity (fact) then a controlled demo is the only scientific explanation.
-NT
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Case closed - you guys lose.
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the guy who made that video said their were no squibs yet other videos from other angles show them
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Did you even watch the second video? It clearly shows the top penthouses going first and the line below of the windows breaking in that line.
This video also debunks the whole "fall at the speed of gravity" nonsense.
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Did you even watch the second video? It clearly shows the top penthouses going first and the line below of the windows breaking in that line.
This video also debunks the whole "fall at the speed of gravity" nonsense.
I watched it twice
he doesn't debunk anything, just makes statements and then claims they prove his point
I see nothing in that video proves it was not a controlled demo
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I watched it twice
he doesn't debunk anything, just makes statements and then claims they prove his point
I see nothing in that video proves it was not a controlled demo
::) ::)
That's because you made up your mind from day one that it was that and won't consider anything to the contrary.
the penthouse on that building clearlly collapsed many seconds before the whole thing collapsed.
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That's because you made up your mind from day one that it was that and won't consider anything to the contrary.
the penthouse on that building clearlly collapsed many seconds before the whole thing collapsed.
1. I've never drawn any conclusion other than to say we need a new investigation. All I have are questions
2. how does the penthhouse collapsing disprove controlled demolition.
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1. I've never drawn any conclusion other than to say we need a new investigation. All I have are questions
2. how does the penthhouse collapsing disprove controlled demolition.
Because a controlled Demo would have occurred from the bottom or other places - not at the penthouse.
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Better clip.
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I really don't see how people call this a controlled demo after watching this.
What the hell is wrong with you people? don't you see clearly ther steel failed exactly where the fires were most heavy and the building jeted outward?
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if a 47 building fell at speed of gravity (fact) then a controlled demo is the only scientific explanation.
-NT
Think about what you just said.
Buildings that collapse during an earthquake don't fall at the speed of gravity?
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The 911 CT'ers get by on ignorance and not answering any questions outside of what they want to hear.
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Because a controlled Demo would have occurred from the bottom or other places - not at the penthouse.
it could have been occuring there as well as other places or maybe the reaction in the penthhouse was due to failures below from charges or maybe the penthhouse was just a red herring
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it could have been occuring there as well as other places or maybe the reaction in the penthhouse was due to failures below from charges or maybe the penthhouse was just a red herring
Talking to 3 about this is as productive as talking to the ROCk nearest to you. The CONTROL DEMOLITION explosions did occur starting from the bottom. The whole discussion by Rodriguez: the maintenance worker states that explosions started in the basement of the building before the plane crashed at the top. He has done countless lectures on the matter worldwide as well as had other maintenance workers testify of two massive explosions occurring at the base and basement of the building long before the airplane hit. If you look at the 911 video you will see as firemen entered the lobby of the WTC it was completely destroyed. How could that be if the plane collided many stories above? Because the basement was control demolitioned first so that when the rest of the building was Control Demolitioned the bulk of the debris would fall into the hole that was the basement. Follow that up with numerous explosions at ground level and basement level in the time between the crash and the collapse and one clearly sees that the control demolition was being done right before their eyes and ears. Add in the firemen who were in the building who talked about he timed explosions going off in the building from the upper floors to the basement and you have all the proof you need. But going further there are documentaries of interviews with many people who made it out of the building who spoke of the explosions occurring in the stair cases. 3 will never understand this because he wants to keep his phony contempt of the Arabs going...in his mind they are the enemy (when it is the US government who is really the enemy of the people). He has yet to answer how nine of the supposed terrorist are still alive, where flight 93 is since the Shankesville area had absolutely NO DEBRIS from a plane crash and why no debris exists at the Pentagon site. I gave him proof of his question on where Barbara Olson is (she was arrested for speeding and has been living in Germany since before 9/11 ) and he has not said anything about her since
Poor kid...too much time on the boards. Forum Burnout.
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Just because you string together a word pizza does not make it so.,
I posted clips clearly showing where the steel failed and how the floors fell. The buildings clearly did not imlode like a controlled demo and you can see the tops of the building greatly fall sideways from the fall.
But keep up with your delusions, Im sure they make great bed time stories for your pets.
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Yes yes, 911 was an inside job, but it united the entire country, at least for a while. Now the US is more divided than ever since the civil war. Maybe Obama should consider a 911 of his own. ;D
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doesnt the nist report address this tom foolery?
what evidence do you guys have other than it looks like it on video?
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All this only goes to show you that beliefs are more powerful than facts.
Fact after fact can be posted yet a ct'er will grasp on the one little thing that make sense to them and see nothing else.
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3, locate another video (anywhere in the world) showing a high rise building collapsing on its footprint at or near speed of gravity (from fire) and its CASE CLOSED.
i look forward to viewing this video.
-NT
The builndings were not in a foot print - did you see the debris field the day after once the smoke cleared?
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I really don't see how people call this a controlled demo after watching this.
What the hell is wrong with you people? don't you see clearly ther steel failed exactly where the fires were most heavy and the building jeted outward?
BUMP for any idiot still willing to say that the steel didnt melt in this exact asre where the fires were from the impact?
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3, locate another video (anywhere in the world) showing a high rise building collapsing on its footprint at or near speed of gravity (from fire) and its CASE CLOSED.
i look forward to viewing this video.
-NT
The builndings were not in a foot print - did you see the debris field the day after once the smoke cleared?
and this your response to my request for a similar video ?
again, show me one video from around the world of a building collapsing from fire and its CASE CLOSED.
i'm objective and open minded. give it a shot.
-NT
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here is video proof fire cannot collapse a building
think science & physics
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again, show me one video from around the world of a building collapsing from fire and its CASE CLOSED.
i'm objective and open minded. give it a shot.
-NT
Yeah 33, show him a building with the EXACT same construction, with EXACTLY the same conditions on 9/11, with fires that burned in EXACTLY the same spots and somebody just happened to be there with a video camera at EXACTLY the right moment. ::)
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here is video proof fire cannot collapse a building
think science & physics
-NT
Yep, that's proof. ::)
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undeniable proof buildings do not collapse from fire.
think science & physics.
-NT
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Fuck, I just realized Neurotoxin is a Mons gimmick.
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Neuro - you are ignoring the fact that WTC7 did not collapse in a vacuum.
The equivalent of a small nuclear weapon was exploded right next to it in the form of the energy released by the initial blasts and the subsquent falls of both towers.
I can show you a building falling like you ask unless you can show me a similar circumstance where two other buildings twice the size collapsed right next to it.
Also - where is the usual sound of controlled demos that you here in every other one? If you cant account for that, than you simply cant keep shouting CT's at people as if its true.
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Are you fools waking up yet? Please show me where anything like this happened at the WTC noise wise.
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here is video proof fire cannot collapse a building
think science & physics
-NT
Really NT? Are you serious?
You seem spot on when it comes to the stock market. You seem to have a no nonsense approach that is centered around reality. So it's very surprising to see you serve up crappy pulp fiction and tie it to science and physics.
Where the conditions in all those videos of burning buildings exactly like the conditions in the WTC's?
Were the fires located on the same floors? Under the same stresses? Caused by the same things? Fueled by the same things? Made with the same materials? Etc.... Etc.... Etc....
Don't you remember high school or middle school? When you conducted experiments in science class? How things were proven?
I mean really dude. ::)
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Ahmedinijad claims it was an inside job. That's good enough for me. Clearly the United States orchestrated 911 to support the Zionist movement.
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it would be helpful if there was at least one example on any other buidling that caught on fire and then collapsed into it's own footprint in a matter of seconds
There are 3 examples that I know of and they all happened on one day in the same place and there don't seem to be any example before or since
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it would be helpful if there was at least one example on any other buidling that caught on fire and then collapsed into it's own footprint in a matter of seconds
There are 3 examples that I know of and they all happened on one day in the same place and there don't seem to be any example before or since
Sure it would. I agree. The problem is all those other buildings that didn't collapse didn't have similar conditions, including damage done not from the fire.
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Sure it would. I agree. The problem is all those other buildings that didn't collapse didn't have similar conditions, including damage done not from the fire.
hasn't the argument for WTC 7 been based solely on the fire?
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hasn't the argument for WTC 7 been based solely on the fire?
No. Not at all. Debris from WTC 1 was also a factor
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hasn't the argument for WTC 7 been based solely on the fire?
from the nuts side its based on misinterpreted quotes and video that is shoddy at best ;)
again didnt the nist report debunk this already?
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No. Not at all. Debris from WTC 1 was also a factor
yeah I've seen photos of damage to the building from debris but, to me, it doesn't explain a symetrical collapse that falls into it's own footprint in a matter of seconds.
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yeah I've seen photos of damage to the building from debris but, to me, it doesn't explain a symetrical collapse that falls into it's own footprint in a matter of seconds.
Are you saying it should have fallen over?
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You've been outed Neuro/Mons
Just yesterday you were claiming this:
i'm no CTer but interested how building #7 fell at speed of gravity by fire.
any explanation ?
-NT
Now suddenly you're an expert claiming this in the span of one day:
undeniable proof buildings do not collapse from fire.
think science & physics.
-NT
Also explains why you're always quoting your own posts - exactly like Mons. Dumbass fake wannabe
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Can any of you "Controlled demo" believers provide me an ounce of proof of AUDIBLE EVIDENCE IN THE THE TOWERS OR WTC 7 LIKE i SHOWED IN ALL THOSE OTHERS CONTROLLED DEMOS?
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Are you saying it should have fallen over?
YES... Look at this picture. The entire upper floors of the building are intact as it is falling and the "toppling lean" those upper floor are in means that the ENTIRE UPPER CHUCK OF THAT TOWER SHOULD HAVE HIT THE GROUND IN ONE PIECE. But it mysteriously is PULVERIZED to dust as teh rest of the building collapses...also how does this small chuck of building have the power to completely destroy all of the many SOLID UNDAMAGED FLOORS BELOW IT???
(http://www.plaguepuppy.net/public_html/collapse%20update/site1049.jpg)
http://www.plaguepuppy.net/public_html/collapse%20update/#stills
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YES
Are you saying because this WTC toppled over wtc 7 should have?
... Look at this picture. The entire upper floors of the building are intact as it is falling and the "toppling lean" those upper floor are in means that the ENTIRE UPPER CHUCK OF THAT TOWER SHOULD HAVE HIT THE GROUND IN ONE PIECE.
Why should it have and how do you know if it didn't or did?
But it mysteriously is PULVERIZED to dust as teh rest of the building collapses...also how does this small chuck of building have the power to completely destroy all of the many SOLID UNDAMAGED FLOORS BELOW IT???
How does it not get pulverized (when should it, or even should it have?) and is it the only factor involved in the destruction of the lower undamaged floors??
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Can any of you "Controlled demo" believers provide me an ounce of proof of AUDIBLE EVIDENCE IN THE THE TOWERS OR WTC 7 LIKE i SHOWED IN ALL THOSE OTHERS CONTROLLED DEMOS?
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First off the control demolition videos of the Vegas hotels you posted were done for television. With that, the company: CONTROL DEMOLITION, wired the buildings inside and out with cameras, microphones etc so the television viewer could see and hear just what happens when a building is control demolitioned. This camera and microphone wiring is also done for research for scientist, professors, structural and civil engineers etc so they can see just how a building may collapse in an event like a strong earthquake or bombing etc etc as well as for the company: Control Demolition, just in case anything went wrong during the control demolition.
You are not going to hear with the clarity you heard in these videos, the sound of the timed bombs going off from the street or in the videos the news and residents of New york who managed to capture the control demolition of the towers with their camcorders, because there were no microphones to capture the sound.... however more than enough videos and documentaries were made that told/show everyone from workers to firemen, to cops to people on the street saying they heard these timed explosions going from the basement to the roof. Plenty of videos and documentaries have I posted on this site showing all of this...if you wish to ignore it, then that is on you, but do not come to this board with a lying tongue claiming that nothing exist...it does...you just willfully ignore it.
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STFU you ape-- stick to discussing the collapse of the tree you lived in before the San Diego Zoo took you and your parents into captivity.
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Are you saying it should have fallen over?
or not collapsed at all
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or not collapsed at all
Why?
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Are you saying because this WTC toppled over wtc 7 should have?
First off I never said any of this, so why are you implying that I did?
Neither World Trade 1, 2 or 7 toppled over. THey were all brought down by controlled demolition and made to fall into their own footprint. Building 7 had no reason to fall at all and no one has explained why it fell when there was at best only a small fire inside the building and no plane hit it.
Why should it have and how do you know if it didn't or did?
This question shows complete retardedness. Exactly what are you asking here?
How does it not get pulverized (when should it, or even should it have?) and is it the only factor involved in the destruction of the lower undamaged floors??
The question should be why is the concrete pulverized to dust?....that has never happened before except in control demolition take downs.
"The only factor involved in the destruction of the lower floors?" You need to rephrase this question because not only does it not make sense, it seems you are just pulling things out of the air that are not relevant to the topic.
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OOGA BOOGA BOOGA, ME WANT BANNANA, OOP OOOP ACK ACK ACK- SAMSON 123 Circa 2010
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First off I never said any of this, so why are you implying that I did?
You never said any of what?
I am only trying to clarify what you are saying. If you don't want me to understand what you are saying then just say so.
And we will all hail the mystical Samson who speaks in parables.
Neither World Trade 1, 2 or 7 toppled over.
Isn't the pic you posted showing part of the WTC toppling over?
Please explain
Didn't you state that they were toppling over?
YES... Look at this picture. The entire upper floors of the building are intact as it is falling and the "toppling lean" those upper floor are in means that the ENTIRE UPPER CHUCK OF THAT TOWER SHOULD HAVE HIT THE GROUND IN ONE PIECE. But it mysteriously is PULVERIZED to dust as teh rest of the building collapses...also how does this small chuck of building have the power to completely destroy all of the many SOLID UNDAMAGED FLOORS BELOW IT???
Well, are you saying the WTC in the pic is toppling over or not?
THey were all brought down by controlled demolition and made to fall into their own footprint.
What is your evidence?
Building 7 had no reason to fall at all
So debris from WTC did not hit it? There was no fire?
and no one has explained why it fell when there was at best only a small fire inside the building and no plane hit it.
Where you in the building?
Do you know how big the fire was?
Do you know how many floors were burning?
Do you know the damage done by the fire?
Do you know the damage done by the debris?
Do you have access to that info?
Does a plane have to hit it for it to fall? (based on past experience in general with you I feel i should explain this question otherwise your mystical intellect might call it retarded. You said the building had no reason to fall when ..... no plane hit it. So I am asking you if a plane needed to hit it to fall)
You have not read the many explanations written and approved by the scientific community explaining this?
Are you saying these explanations are all illusion we are all seeing and in reality no one has ever explained it?
Are you saying we are under some sort of spell and cannot see that no one has explained why is fell?
Is the NIST just a figment of our imagination?
Are we really on earth?
This question shows complete retardedness. Exactly what are you asking here?
I am asking exactly what i asked. If you cannot answer it just say so. go back and re-read. Slower this time.
The question should be why is the concrete pulverized to dust?....that has never happened before except in control demolition take downs.
You mean we have had similar episodes of 110 story buildings being hit by thousands of tons of speeding fully fueled air planes that collapsed and did NOT have pulverized concrete?
You mean that force built up all this shouldn't have cause pulverized dust?
"The only factor involved in the destruction of the lower floors?"
you said:
also how does this small chuck of building have the power to completely destroy all of the many SOLID UNDAMAGED FLOORS BELOW IT???
OK, I will rephrase: Was the small chunk, (obviously comparative to the rest of the building because that small chunk looks like 15 stories or more) the only factor in the cause for the lower floors collapsing?
You need to rephrase this question because not only does it not make sense, it seems you are just pulling things out of the air that are not relevant to the topic.
No, I am just asking you to explain your assertions. In your blabber, you have many of them. I want you to explain why they are valid.
Go back and re-read carefully, I am not in the mood to list them. If you can't figure out what they are, that speaks volumes. (as if you haven't already spoken volumes in 99% of your posts ;D)
oh and PS:
means that the ENTIRE UPPER CHUCK OF THAT TOWER SHOULD HAVE HIT THE GROUND IN ONE PIECE.
Why?
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YES... Look at this picture. The entire upper floors of the building are intact as it is falling and the "toppling lean" those upper floor are in means that the ENTIRE UPPER CHUCK OF THAT TOWER SHOULD HAVE HIT THE GROUND IN ONE PIECE. But it mysteriously is PULVERIZED to dust as teh rest of the building collapses...also how does this small chuck of building have the power to completely destroy all of the many SOLID UNDAMAGED FLOORS BELOW IT???
(http://www.plaguepuppy.net/public_html/collapse%20update/site1049.jpg)
http://www.plaguepuppy.net/public_html/collapse%20update/#stills
This should help you understand the first sentence of my post:
I asked Straw if the WTC 7 should have toppled over and you responded with a pic of part of WTC 1-2 toppling over.
So i ask you again:
Are you saying because this WTC toppled over wtc 7 should have?
hth
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This is what a real controlled demo sounds ike.
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This is what a real controlled demo sounds ike.
But, but, but.......
The building fell at the speed of gravity and the concrete turn to dust so a plane must have hit it.
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But, but, but.......
The building fell at the speed of gravity and the concrete turn to dust so a plane must have hit it.
My interest in this vid as compared to GZ is twofold:
1. Notice the series of audible explosions that are clearly heard from at least 200 - 300 yards away where this vid was taken from - THERE IS NOTHING LIKE THIS IN EITHER OF THE TOWERS OR WTC 7
2. Notice the siers of flashes prior to the implosion as well as the huge explosion at the base of the collapse? You dont have that in WTC 7 or the Towers, and the close up vids I showed of the towers clearly showed where the steel melted and gave way, the exact area where the fires were most fierce.
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By interest in this vid as compared to GZ is twofold:
1. Notice the series of audible explosions that are clearly heard from at least 200 - 300 yards away where this vid was taken from - THERE IS NOTHING LIKE THIS IN EITHER OF THE TOWERS OR WTC 7
2. Notice the siers of flashes prior to the implosion as well as the huge explosion at the base of the collapse? You dont have that in WTC 7 or the Towers, and the close up vids I showed of the towers clearly showed where the steel melted and gave way, the exact area where the fires were most fierce.
Careful now, you are making too much sense
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Careful now, you are making too much sense
I'm just saying - if the controlled demo people want to have a discussion - they need to explain how 3 massive buildings were rigged up and brought down in a fashion like no other recorded controlled demos were - LIKE I HAVE POSTED HERE.
If they have sound evidence of a series of like explosions at all three structures at GZ - i wish they would at least present it, because so far, I have seen nothing from this crowd by rambling CT's, accusations, distractions, etc.
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These people seem about 1/2 mile away or more and you can still hear the series of explasions and flashes. Unless some Controlled Demo CT'ers can show me anything close to this at GZ - it seems pretty obvious to me that
1. It was not a controlled Demo.
or
2. This is the first time in history three controlled demos were ever performed like this. If so, please provide more info of this new techinque since it appears to never have been done before in any fashion whatsoever.
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Why?
Why should it collapse
it got hit from debri and caught on fire but that doesn't mean is must collapse.
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You never said any of what?
Never said any of what to what? clarify please...
I am only trying to clarify what you are saying. If you don't want me to understand what you are saying then just say
so.
I too am trying to understand what you are babbling about...as it stands with your intermarried questions it is impossible to understand what you ae asking and exactly where you stand on any issue, topic etc
And we will all hail the mystical Samson who speaks in parables.
Isn't the pic you posted showing part of the WTC toppling over?
I don't speak in parables...I leave that to Jesus
Please explain
Didn't you state that they were toppling over?
Well, are you saying the WTC in the pic is toppling over or not?
There is a difference between toppling over and a toppling lean...reread my original post
What is your evidence?
I know you are not that bright, but you can see can't you? You want me to post an even bigger picture of the upper floors leanig heavily to one side?
So debris from WTC did not hit it? There was no fire?
Debris from the WTC did not hit building 7 and merely because debris hit a building, car etc does not mea that thing suddenly bursts into flames. Please explain how debris striking another structure causes it to burst into flames?
Where you in the building?
Do you know how big the fire was?
Do you know how many floors were burning?
Do you know the damage done by the fire?
Do you know the damage done by the debris?
Do you have access to that info?
All of these questions have been addressed ad nauseum by the researchers, scientist, professors, firemen, policemen, survivors... If you willfully ignore what they have testified to why would you then believe me?
Does a plane have to hit it for it to fall? (based on past experience in general with you I feel i should explain this question otherwise your mystical intellect might call it retarded. You said the building had no reason to fall when ..... no plane hit it. So I am asking you if a plane needed to hit it to fall)
Now you are being willfully stupid. According to the BULLSHIT 911 REPORT it was the plane striking and exploding in the building that caused the fires, that softened the steel beams, that weakened the structure that caused it to fall... IS IT CLEAR NOW?..That works if you believe the bullshit report.
You have not read the many explanations written and approved by the scientific community explaining this?
Are you saying these explanations are all illusion we are all seeing and in reality no one has ever explained it?
Are you saying we are under some sort of spell and cannot see that no one has explained why is fell?
Implications once again
Is the NIST just a figment of our imagination?
NIST was the first organization to speak out against the accusations that the building fell due to plane impact and fires. NIST was the organization that tested the special alloy metals used in the building of the towers and were fully aware that in no way could fires weaken steal tested to survive 3000+ DEGREE TEMPERATURES FOR HOURS. After being threatened by your reprobate government they changed course but admitted in the report that they did not test the metal, or debris to determine why the collapse occurred.
Are we really on earth?
Everyone is, but drugs and ignorance has made many feel as though they are on another planet. What drugs are you taking?
I am asking exactly what i asked.
Glad it makes sense to you Ozmo... whatever it is you're asking, but to everyone else your questions seem to come from you having some sort of MENTAL TRIP FROM ACID.
If you cannot answer it just say so. go back and re-read. Slower this time.
Maybe just posting an intelligent well thought out question will resolve the issue as opposed to someone having to try and decipher what it is you are saying/asking
You mean we have had similar episodes of 110 story buildings being hit by thousands of tons of speeding fully fueled air planes that collapsed and did NOT have pulverized concrete?
Just show me any building that has fallen for whatever reason, where the concrete was pulverized to dust. Simple task...now show me...
You mean that force built up all this shouldn't have cause pulverized dust?
Just give us another example of it happening
you said:
OK, I will rephrase: Was the small chunk, (obviously comparative to the rest of the building because that small chunk looks like 15 stories or more) the only factor in the cause for the lower floors collapsing?
THe lower floors collapsed because it was CONTROL DEMOLITION...not the upper 20 floor somehow jackhammering it into the ground and into dust.
No, I am just asking you to explain your assertions. In your blabber, you have many of them. I want you to explain why they are valid.
Go back and re-read carefully, I am not in the mood to list them. If you can't figure out what they are, that speaks volumes. (as if you haven't already spoken volumes in 99% of your posts ;D)
Don't be angry Ozmo that you can not prove anything that you wish to believe. There are a couple like you on this board who still believe in Santa, the ToothFairy and Gremlins
oh and PS:
Why?
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No. Not at all. Debris from WTC 1 was also a factor
NIST Releases Final WTC 7 Investigation Report
November 20, 2008
The National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) today released its final report on the Sept. 11, 2001, collapse of the 47-story World Trade Center building 7 (WTC 7) in New York City. The final report is strengthened by clarifications and supplemental text suggested by organizations and individuals worldwide in response to the draft WTC 7 report, released for public comment on Aug. 21, but the revisions did not alter the investigation team’s major findings and recommendations, which include identification of fire as the primary cause for the building’s failure.
The extensive three-year scientific and technical building and fire safety investigation found that the fires on multiple floors in WTC 7, which were uncontrolled but otherwise similar to fires experienced in other tall buildings, caused an extraordinary event. Heating of floor beams and girders caused a critical support column to fail, initiating a fire-induced progressive collapse that brought the building down.
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NIST= A fire induced progressive collapse brought building 7 down. ;)
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Go to the library and look through the architecture/building trade journals published when the towers were built...Many of them criticized the design as being unsafe in the event of fire.
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we need a ct child board.
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It is very refreshing to see someone finally discuss a topic which has not received any attention here before. There usually is so much repetition.
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It is very refreshing to see someone finally discuss a topic which has not received any attention here before. There usually is so much repetition.
lololololol....
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http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1cvkz_911-truth-nist-report-debunked_news
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this thread needs moved to our new ct forum. as soon as ron gets it going :-\
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this thread needs moved to our new ct forum. as soon as ron gets it going :-\
What is the CT forum? Sorry, been away for a while...
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this thread needs moved to our new ct forum. as soon as ron gets it going :-\
NIST reports r now considered CT material? ::)
NIST Releases Final WTC 7 Investigation Report
November 20, 2008
The National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) today released its final report on the Sept. 11, 2001, collapse of the 47-story World Trade Center building 7 (WTC 7) in New York City. The final report is strengthened by clarifications and supplemental text suggested by organizations and individuals worldwide in response to the draft WTC 7 report, released for public comment on Aug. 21, but the revisions did not alter the investigation team’s major findings and recommendations, which include identification of fire as the primary cause for the building’s failure.
The extensive three-year scientific and technical building and fire safety investigation found that the fires on multiple floors in WTC 7, which were uncontrolled but otherwise similar to fires experienced in other tall buildings, caused an extraordinary event. Heating of floor beams and girders caused a critical support column to fail, initiating a fire-induced progressive collapse that brought the building down.
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NIST= A fire induced progressive collapse brought building 7 down. ;)
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NIST reports r now considered CT material? ::)
where the hell did I say that lol?
There is the official story and there is the actual facts of what happened. To the people behind the official story, anything other is CT. I didn't lable it that, they did.
Moving this thread to the new CT forum.
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where the hell did I say that lol?
There is the official story and there is the actual facts of what happened. To the people behind the official story, anything other is CT. I didn't lable it that, they did.
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When is an event considered a Conspiracy Theory: Is it when a government
A: Admits the evidence is true/correct and the researchers/scientist/witnesses/etc say it is not
or is it
B: When the researchers and experts say the evidence is true/correct and the governemnt says it is not?
I ask this because until one side is held up as the STANDARD BY WHICH ALL ELSE IS JUDGED things will be incorrectly labeled Conspiracy Theory or incorrectly labeled FACT.
I personally go with the researchers/scientist/engineers/witnesses etc as governments have motivation and objective in the cases where they deny facts, change stories and/or present "evidence" that is lacking evidence...
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This is what a real controlled demo sounds ike.
BUMP FOR SOMEONE TO EXPLAIN TO ME HOW NONE OF THE SOUNDS AUDIBLE IN THIS CLIP ARE AUDIDLE IN ANY OF THE BUILDINGS AT THE WTC.
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BUMP FOR SOMEONE TO EXPLAIN TO ME HOW NONE OF THE SOUNDS AUDIBLE IN THIS CLIP ARE AUDIDLE IN ANY OF THE BUILDINGS AT THE WTC.
So that even an IDIOT can understand
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=346447.200
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So that even an IDIOT can understand
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=346447.200
So now some people were pulling cables? ha ha ha ha.
Face it - you are losing this one badly. Every time you get blown out of the water on one theory you move to the next one.
First its holograms, then its military planes, then its a missle, then its bush, then its this, then its that, etc etc.
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First off the control demolition videos of the Vegas hotels you posted were done for television. With that, the company: CONTROL DEMOLITION, wired the buildings inside and out with cameras, microphones etc so the television viewer could see and hear just what happens when a building is control demolitioned. This camera and microphone wiring is also done for research for scientist, professors, structural and civil engineers etc so they can see just how a building may collapse in an event like a strong earthquake or bombing etc etc as well as for the company: Control Demolition, just in case anything went wrong during the control demolition.
You are not going to hear with the clarity you heard in these videos, the sound of the timed bombs going off from the street or in the videos the news and residents of New york who managed to capture the control demolition of the towers with their camcorders, because there were no microphones to capture the sound.... however more than enough videos and documentaries were made that told/show everyone from workers to firemen, to cops to people on the street saying they heard these timed explosions going from the basement to the roof. Plenty of videos and documentaries have I posted on this site showing all of this...if you wish to ignore it, then that is on you, but do not come to this board with a lying tongue claiming that nothing exist...it does...you just willfully ignore it.
Oh please - another one of the "the lack of evidence = evidence" arguments. Ha ha ha.
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MIT engineers VS GB blinded morons.
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MIT engineers VS GB blinded morons.
So now all the ground workers are in on this CT?
Where is the audio evidence of a controlled demo?
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Oh please - another one of the "the lack of evidence = evidence" arguments. Ha ha ha.
No the joke is on you (ha ha) a person with ZERO knowledge of control demolition, engineering, building construction, and REALITY trying to argue a pointless point. Give it a rest 3 and shouldn't you be doing something related to your occupation (which I hope is not message board posting)...You sure as hell for a supposed lawyer have a whole hell of a lot of time to waste on this board mindlessly arguing things you completely do not understand. No wonder american legal system is in such shambles.
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No the joke is on you (ha ha) a person with ZERO knowledge of control demolition, engineering, building construction, and REALITY trying to argue a pointless point. Give it a rest 3 and shouldn't you be doing something related to your occupation (which I hope is not message board posting)...You sure as hell for a supposed lawyer have a whole hell of a lot of time to waste on this board mindlessly arguing things you completely do not understand. No wonder american legal system is in such shambles.
Game over - you lost. All it took was a simple hole in your whacked out CT to expose the idiocy of these claims.
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BWAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAA
The one filmed across teh river has the bomb blasts too. 9 for the first building and 7 for teh second, something like that.
people are so stupid - if you still believe the official story, you probably believe dinos and people roamed the earth together 5000 years ago... oh brother...
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BUMP FOR SOMEONE TO EXPLAIN TO ME HOW NONE OF THE SOUNDS AUDIBLE IN THIS CLIP ARE AUDIDLE IN ANY OF THE BUILDINGS AT THE WTC.
No bomb sounds huh? ;)
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33, come on dude.... shit this is old news. Lots of explosions reported on that day - way down in the building. Shit, the LOBBY GLASS was all blown out dude. Look at the videos - the lobby was demolished when the firefighters were rushing in.
And have your heard Willie Rodriguez' janitor testimony? Dude was injured IN THE BASEMENT by blasts....
hahahaha 33, you don't know shit about this topic - you're asking the most painfully obvious Qs on this. You didn't know about the blasts? oh man... how about the seismic data? You're so new to this shit, and you're the loudest on it. Sad dude. Stick to what you know - you're an expert on the damage obama is doing. but on 911, if you don't konw about the blasts and seismic hits FOURTEEN SECONDS before the plane impacrs (which delivers a much smaller seismic register), you need to do your research before talking lol...
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No bomb sounds huh? ;)
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Oh freaking please. If that is the best you got, try again. Every single controlled demo I have EVEr seen, some of which I posted here are very clearly a sequence of loud explosions one after the other.
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33, come on dude.... shit this is old news. Lots of explosions reported on that day - way down in the building. Shit, the LOBBY GLASS was all blown out dude. Look at the videos - the lobby was demolished when the firefighters were rushing in.
And have your heard Willie Rodriguez' janitor testimony? Dude was injured IN THE BASEMENT by blasts....
hahahaha 33, you don't know shit about this topic - you're asking the most painfully obvious Qs on this. You didn't know about the blasts? oh man... how about the seismic data? You're so new to this shit, and you're the loudest on it. Sad dude. Stick to what you know - you're an expert on the damage obama is doing. but on 911, if you don't konw about the blasts and seismic hits FOURTEEN SECONDS before the plane impacrs (which delivers a much smaller seismic register), you need to do your research before talking lol...
again - please show me even one video remotely capturing any of these sequential explosions you claim were there. Even one!
there were hundreds of phone cams, tv cams, video cam,s etc etc, and not one captured any of this? Ha ha!!! You really are a sucker fo rthe absurd arnt you?
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Oh freaking please. If that is the best you got, try again. Every single controlled demo I have EVEr seen, some of which I posted here are very clearly a sequence of loud explosions one after the other.
Sooooo
First you said there were no loud bomb blasts?
Now that you've heard them, you're upset they don't come in succession?
You're now saying 9 bomb blasts over the source of an hour do less damage than 9 blasts at closer intervals? ;)
Maybe you'll next wonder why the building came down in symmetrical 30-foot 3 story sections. They fit on trucks perfectly for removal.
Oh, and all the firefighters who _ IN THEIR OWN WORDS - talked about the succession of blasts as the building was coming down - are they fiull of shit, 33? They were on the ground, a few hundred feet away, and they all saw the same thing dude.
Mons, you haev that clip of the firefighters? i'd love to hear 33 say they're crazy too...
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Sooooo
First you said there were no loud bomb blasts?
Now that you've heard them, you're upset they don't come in succession?
You're now saying 9 bomb blasts over the source of an hour do less damage than 9 blasts at closer intervals? ;)
Maybe you'll next wonder why the building came down in symmetrical 30-foot 3 story sections. They fit on trucks perfectly for removal.
Oh, and all the firefighters who _ IN THEIR OWN WORDS - talked about the succession of blasts as the building was coming down - are they fiull of shit, 33? They were on the ground, a few hundred feet away, and they all saw the same thing dude.
Mons, you haev that clip of the firefighters? i'd love to hear 33 say they're crazy too...
How utterly stupid you are bro? Again - EVERY SINGLE controlled demo we have tape of on record makes exactly the same noises, yet, none of that happens at GZ and somehow you want me to ignore that GAPING hole in your CT?
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again - please show me even one video remotely capturing any of these sequential explosions you claim were there. Even one!
HAHAAHAHA you got it dude-
floor-by-floor squibbing.
1:40 of that tape shows a few of them mis-firing a little early.... while the "collapse" was still 40 floors above it.
hahahahahaha
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Basement explosions
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Bahahahahahah, now it's cables that brought it down. What's next? The Jolly Green Giant appeared out of the sky on a flying unicorn and knocked them down with his bare hands?
Hilarious!
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More explosions FDNY
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here you can enjoy dozens of media reports from that morning - "We have reports of multiple secondary explosions at the base of the building"
"Series of massive explosions every 15 or 20 minutes"
"Every 2 minutes we hear more explosions"
Rick Sanchez MSNBC: "Police found a suspicious device 1.5 blocks from WTC towers - could lead to another explosion"
"Police told me we believe one of the explosions - aside from the planes - may have been caused by a VAN parked in the building with explosives in it"
HAHAHAA 33.... ?
These clips go on for ten straight minutes -
"There were two explosives in the second building"
"fed agencies believe there were bombs inside"
"I spoke to chief of FDNY Turry - received word of secondary device - tried to get men out - but another explosion - then an HOUSR AFTER first hit - he said there was another explosion in the tower - he thinks there were bombs".
The second device was probably planted in the building.
First one, then the ohter.
Bryant Gumbel: There was a secondary explosion in tower 2 - confirmed.
HAHAHAHA 33?
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FDNY describe EXPLOSIONS!
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33 this video shows ten straight minutes of witnesses talking about massive explosions way down in the building.
Sorry man... the workers are talking about massive explosiosn in building.
PLEASE watch that 10 min video - all media accounts from that day - no CT nonsense - just FOX and CNN and MSN dude.
I bought and read schiff's video cause you recommended it - please watch 10 min of the blasts reports dude======>
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More FDNY report SECONDARY explosions !!!
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here you can enjoy dozens of media reports from that morning - "We have reports of multiple secondary explosions at the base of the building"
"Series of massive explosions every 15 or 20 minutes"
"Every 2 minutes we hear more explosions"
Rick Sanchez MSNBC: "Police found a suspicious device 1.5 blocks from WTC towers - could lead to another explosion"
"Police told me we believe one of the explosions - aside from the planes - may have been caused by a VAN parked in the building with explosives in it"
HAHAHAA 33.... ?
These clips go on for ten straight minutes -
"There were two explosives in the second building"
"fed agencies believe there were bombs inside"
"I spoke to chief of FDNY Turry - received word of secondary device - tried to get men out - but another explosion - then an HOUSR AFTER first hit - he said there was another explosion in the tower - he thinks there were bombs".
The second device was probably planted in the building.
First one, then the ohter.
Bryant Gumbel: There was a secondary explosion in tower 2 - confirmed.
HAHAHAHA 33?
::) ::)
Yet nothing ever captured on audio or visual film despite EVERY major news outlet right there.
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you didn't watch the clip. that's fine. carry on in your own belief system. the clip showed many blasts caught on tape. you didn't spend 10 minutes on it, that's fine. I won't waste any more time discussing this point with you. You have your opinion and refuse to look at evidence to the contrary. Carry on.
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you didn't watch the clip. that's fine. carry on in your own belief system. the clip showed many blasts caught on tape. you didn't spend 10 minutes on it, that's fine. I won't waste any more time discussing this point with you. You have your opinion and refuse to look at evidence to the contrary. Carry on.
240 - I posted at least 5 controlled demo films and every single one sounds exacatly the same. The same sequential blasts heard hundreds of yards away, the flashes all over the structure before the collapse etc etc.
Face it - unless you have some new method not so far explained as to how to bering down a building, you still 9 years later, have absolutely nothing to substantiate your claims of a controlled demo. Nothing.
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240 - I posted at least 5 controlled demo films and every single one sounds exacatly the same. The same sequential blasts heard hundreds of yards away, the flashes all over the structure before the collapse etc etc.
Face it - unless you have some new method not so far explained as to how to bering down a building, you still 9 years later, have absolutely nothing to substantiate your claims of a controlled demo. Nothing.
Don't worry, he'll just move onto the next "irrefutable piece of evidence creating a completely new theory" that he has. ::)
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240 - I posted at least 5 controlled demo films and every single one sounds exacatly the same. The same sequential blasts heard hundreds of yards away, the flashes all over the structure before the collapse etc etc.
Face it - unless you have some new method not so far explained as to how to bering down a building, you still 9 years later, have absolutely nothing to substantiate your claims of a controlled demo. Nothing.
you know that your videos dispel my videos without watching even them.
Awesome.
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you know that your videos dispel my videos without watching even them.
Awesome.
You latched on to mons' vid which sounds absolutely nothing like any of the controlled demo fils in existence.
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This was the best thread on this matter. I hope one person in particular READS THE WHOLE THREAD because it answers everything
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=333565.0
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It is very refreshing to see someone finally discuss a topic which has not received any attention here before. There usually is so much repetition.
What?? Dude you haven't been around enough. This has been beaten to death on this board.
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You've been outed Neuro/Mons
Just yesterday you were claiming this:
Now suddenly you're an expert claiming this in the span of one day:
Also explains why you're always quoting your own posts - exactly like Mons. Dumbass fake wannabe
I think you might be right. I don't read the stock market thread, but Mons and NT quote themselves quite a bit.
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This was the best thread on this matter. I hope one person in particular READS THE WHOLE THREAD because it answers everything
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=333565.0
Agree Samson.......great thread!! Neocon sccum can't handle the mootherfocking truth!!!
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MIT engineers VS GB blinded morons.
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More explosions FDNY
EXPLOSIONS EVERYWHERE !!!!!! :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o
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Yet nothing caught on any of the hundreds and hundreds of films, camerans, tapes, videos, recorders, etc etc. ::) ::) ::)
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NIST Releases Final WTC 7 Investigation Report
November 20, 2008
The National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) today released its final report on the Sept. 11, 2001, collapse of the 47-story World Trade Center building 7 (WTC 7) in New York City. The final report is strengthened by clarifications and supplemental text suggested by organizations and individuals worldwide in response to the draft WTC 7 report, released for public comment on Aug. 21, but the revisions did not alter the investigation team’s major findings and recommendations, which include identification of fire as the primary cause for the building’s failure.
The extensive three-year scientific and technical building and fire safety investigation found that the fires on multiple floors in WTC 7, which were uncontrolled but otherwise similar to fires experienced in other tall buildings, caused an extraordinary event. Heating of floor beams and girders caused a critical support column to fail, initiating a fire-induced progressive collapse that brought the building down.
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NIST= A fire induced progressive collapse brought building 7 down. ;)
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I thought it was a controlled demo? Is that theory now changing?
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Hahaha, cables.
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Yet nothing caught on any of the hundreds and hundreds of films, camerans, tapes, videos, recorders, etc etc. ::) ::) ::)
You mean all of these live videos, audio tracks and pictures, documentaries did not come from the actual control demolition of the WTC?... Then where did they come from? Hollywood? astoria studios? where?
How Ironic your claim of no video to capture nothing from the WTC, but some how the thousands of cameras around Washington DC magically FAILED on that day, YET pictures appeared of the invisible plane crashing in to the Pentagon? Who took them?....Hmmmmm gee the world is a strange place...
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You mean all of these live videos, audio tracks and pictures, documentaries did not come from the actual control demolition of the WTC?... Then where did they come from? Hollywood? astoria studios? where?
How Ironic your claim of no video to capture nothing from the WTC, but some how the thousands of cameras around Washington DC magically FAILED on that day, YET pictures appeared of the invisible plane crashing in to the Pentagon? Who took them?....Hmmmmm gee the world is a strange place...
Talk about diversion. ::) ::)
Unless you can provide any sort of audio evidence of a controlled demo akin to EVERY OTHER CONTROLLED DEMO KNOWN TO MAN, this is another crack pot theory with nothing more than a few nuts on the fringe babbling amongst themselves.
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100 ton jetliner hits Pentagon. Oh soooooooooooooo clear. ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)
Our country is surrounded by idiots with blinders.
Carry on..... boys.
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100 ton jetliner hits Pentagon. Oh soooooooooooooo clear. ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)
Our country is surrounded by idiots with blinders.
Carry on..... boys.
I thought you guys said it was a missle?
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100 ton jetliner hits Pentagon. Oh soooooooooooooo clear. ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)
Our country is surrounded by idiots with blinders.
Carry on..... boys.
3 has those special IMAX type glasses that make even blurry pictures like this clear..... they also allow him to see through walls and choose the winning lottery numbers.
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Ha ha ha - one days its a missle, the next day a military plane, one day a hologram, another day an alien attack, and you think I cant see straight?
How about you make up your mind on a CT and we will discuss it?
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LMAO did they truck in the plane wreckage?
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LMAO did they truck in the plane wreckage?
cheney dove the u haul.
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Ha ha ha - one days its a missle, the next day a military plane, one day a hologram, another day an alien attack, and you think I cant see straight?
How about you make up your mind on a CT and we will discuss it?
One post your claiming it was falling concrete that made the sound of timed explosions, next it is Arab terrorist who drove planes into the building even though 9 of the 19 Arabs are still alive, then you claim the police and firemen in the building hearing and seeing what is going on are not credible (but you are somehow), next it is building 7 that burst into small flames and falls for no reason, then it is your "engineer friend" who knows more than the EXPERTS, the finally level of MADNESS is because you play deaf and blind to all facts in regard to the the WTC and the glaring facts that everyone else should follow suit.... NOT HAPPENING 3...you're alone in that delusion.
BTW still waiting on an answer about those mentioned 9 "hijackers" who are still alive..... I answered you Barbara Olson question with facts...NOW WHERE ARE YOURS?????
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Governments don't lie.
Tillman's family = CTers
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So what CT is it today? The hologram theory? The aliens?
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NIST Releases Final WTC 7 Investigation Report
November 20, 2008
The National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) today released its final report on the Sept. 11, 2001, collapse of the 47-story World Trade Center building 7 (WTC 7) in New York City. The final report is strengthened by clarifications and supplemental text suggested by organizations and individuals worldwide in response to the draft WTC 7 report, released for public comment on Aug. 21, but the revisions did not alter the investigation team’s major findings and recommendations, which include identification of fire as the primary cause for the building’s failure.
The extensive three-year scientific and technical building and fire safety investigation found that the fires on multiple floors in WTC 7, which were uncontrolled but otherwise similar to fires experienced in other tall buildings, caused an extraordinary event. Heating of floor beams and girders caused a critical support column to fail, initiating a fire-induced progressive collapse that brought the building down.
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NIST= A fire induced progressive collapse brought building 7 down. ;)
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Morning after fire.......pancaked as expected !!! ;)
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And where are 2 110 story buildings crashing right next to it?
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And where are 2 110 story buildings crashing right next to it?
NIST report states FIRE as the primary cause 4 building 7 failure. (not debris damage)
Post a picture of the massive debris damage on # 7
I'll wait.................... .....................dip shit
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NIST Releases Final WTC 7 Investigation Report
November 20, 2008
The National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) today released its final report on the Sept. 11, 2001, collapse of the 47-story World Trade Center building 7 (WTC 7) in New York City. The final report is strengthened by clarifications and supplemental text suggested by organizations and individuals worldwide in response to the draft WTC 7 report, released for public comment on Aug. 21, but the revisions did not alter the investigation team’s major findings and recommendations, which include identification of fire as the primary cause for the building’s failure.
The extensive three-year scientific and technical building and fire safety investigation found that the fires on multiple floors in WTC 7, which were uncontrolled but otherwise similar to fires experienced in other tall buildings, caused an extraordinary event. Heating of floor beams and girders caused a critical support column to fail, initiating a fire-induced progressive collapse that brought the building down.
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NIST= A fire induced progressive collapse brought building 7 down. ;)
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NIST report states FIRE as the primary cause 4 building 7 failure. (not debris damage)
Post a picture of the massive debris damage on # 7
I'll wait.................... .....................dip shit
Primary does not mean "sole" you freaking fool.
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Primary does not mean "sole" you freaking fool.
I see you did not read the NIST report 3333333's. Typical.
NIST quote: " Had a water supply for the automatic sprinkler system been available and the sprinkler system operated as designed, it is likely that the fires in WTC 7 would have been controlled and the collapse prevented." (end quote)
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I see you did not read the NIST report 3333333's. Typical.
NIST quote: " Had a water supply for the automatic sprinkler system been available and the sprinkler system operated as designed, it is likely that the fires in WTC 7 would have been controlled and the collapse prevented." (end quote)
So now the spinkler company is in on the CT
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So now the spinkler company is in on the CT
If you read the NIST report this would not be a surprise. That is their quote.......not mine.
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If you read the NIST report this would not be a surprise. That is their quote.......not mine.
If it was a controlled demo as you say - what does the spirnkler system have to do with anything?
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If it was a controlled demo as you say - what does the spirnkler system have to do with anything?
NIST says building came down by FIRE.........which is impossible.
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NIST says building came down by FIRE.........which is impossible.
Why it is impossible considering the over events that took place that day right next to that building?
And where is the audio evidence or the systematic flashes throughout the building like every other Controlled Demo?
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Why it is impossible considering the over events that took place that day right next to that building?
And where is the audio evidence or the systematic flashes throughout the building like every other Controlled Demo?
NIST Report: " Other than initiating the fires in WTC 7, the damage from debris from WTC 1 had little effect on initiating the collapse of WTC 7. (end quote)
This is the NIST's report !!!! Wake up.
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Psssst...Mons... I think you wore him out with evidence...He seems to have disappeared from commenting. Good Job. :D :) :D :)
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Psssst...Mons... I think you wore him out with evidence...He seems to have disappeared from commenting. Good Job. :D :) :D :)
Hahaaaaa! Still waiting 4 an intelligent response from 3333333's. Hahaaaa!
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Hahaaaaa! Still waiting 4 an intelligent response from 3333333's. Hahaaaa!
*BUMP*
On what?
without the audio evidence or flashes across the building, you don't have a damn thing.
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On what?
without the audio evidence or flashes across the building, you don't have a damn thing.
^^^^^ Neocon Teabagging Clown.
Try using your brain.......if one is available.
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NIST Releases Final WTC 7 Investigation Report
November 20, 2008
The National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) today released its final report on the Sept. 11, 2001, collapse of the 47-story World Trade Center building 7 (WTC 7) in New York City. The final report is strengthened by clarifications and supplemental text suggested by organizations and individuals worldwide in response to the draft WTC 7 report, released for public comment on Aug. 21, but the revisions did not alter the investigation team’s major findings and recommendations, which include identification of fire as the primary cause for the building’s failure.
The extensive three-year scientific and technical building and fire safety investigation found that the fires on multiple floors in WTC 7, which were uncontrolled but otherwise similar to fires experienced in other tall buildings, caused an extraordinary event. Heating of floor beams and girders caused a critical support column to fail, initiating a fire-induced progressive collapse that brought the building down.
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NIST= A fire induced progressive collapse brought building 7 down. ;)
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I see you did not read the NIST report 3333333's. Typical.
NIST quote: " Had a water supply for the automatic sprinkler system been available and the sprinkler system operated as designed, it is likely that the fires in WTC 7 would have been controlled and the collapse prevented." (end quote)
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NIST quote: " Other than initiating the fires in WTC 7, the damage from debris from WTC 1 had little effect on initiating the collapse of WTC 7.[/u] (end quote)
This is the NIST's report !!!! Wake up.
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Morning after fire.......pancaked as expected !!! ;)
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No wonder 333333333's is on GetBig 24-7 :-\
Successful attorney's display critical thinking skills.
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Bump for what fool? You have nothing still - not audible evidence - no visual evidence, nothing whatsoever.
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Bump for what fool? You have nothing still - not audible evidence - no visual evidence, nothing whatsoever.
Ok..........PEA BRAIN. ::)
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Ok..........PEA BRAIN. ::)
LMAO
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LMAO
Coming from the guy who says homes in NYC cost the same as Indy and Rochester - all I have to say is a loud - WHATEVER!
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Coming from the guy who says homes in NYC cost the same as Indy and Rochester - all I have to say is a loud - WHATEVER!
You are commenting 3? the same person who hasn't left his home in years because he spend his entire life posting on GB. You're more than a barrel of laughs. Have you moved to Connecticut yet? Whats holding you back since it is so much cheaper according to you? Don't worry you can move and still post on GB from Connecticut.
And BTW again I know your dense as hell and it takes much explaining for the obvious for you (as this thread shows) there is a difference between a city (New York City) and a state (Indiana). You live in the Bronx.... the last place on earth practically that would be equated with wealth, intelligence and real estate.
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You are commenting 3? the same person who hasn't left his home in years because he spend his entire life posting on GB. You're more than a barrel of laughs. Have you moved to Connecticut yet? Whats holding you back since it is so much cheaper according to you? Don't worry you can move and still post on GB from Connecticut.
And BTW again I know your dense as hell and it takes much explaining for the obvious for you (as this thread shows) there is a difference between a city (New York City) and a state (Indiana). You live in the Bronx.... the last place on earth practically that would be equated with wealth, intelligence and real estate.
As compared to where oh 160 IQ?
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Successful attorney's display critical thinking skills.
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As compared to where oh 160 IQ?
I'm 145...It is Jag who said 160...see 3 I have to agree with Mons in so far as you being an attorney displaying a lack of critical thinking and fact finding skills.
There is Jag and then there is me...Two completely different people.
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BUMP to keep the fight going
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I'm 145...It is Jag who said 160...see 3 I have to agree with Mons in so far as you being an attorney displaying a lack of critical thinking and fact finding skills.
There is Jag and then there is me...Two completely different people.
Critical thinking? Ha ha ha. i have posted dozens and dozens of questions you can't answer demolishing every CT you have and you question me?
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Morning after fire.......pancaked as expected !!! ;)
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Critical thinking? Ha ha ha. i have posted dozens and dozens of questions you can't answer demolishing every CT you have and you question me?
You have not answered a single question I have asked especially concerning how 9 of 19 hijackers still being alive...Try answering that
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I'm 145.
LOL!!!!!!!!
This gimmick gets funnier by the day. Nice of you to add 100 to your true IQ.
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You have not answered a single question I have asked especially concerning how 9 of 19 hijackers still being alive...Try answering that
333, Take a break, I have a few minutes, and am happy to bury Sampson in his/her drivel.
Sampson, do you by chance remember back in January when a killing (assassination) took place in Dubai and Israel (mosaad) was blamed for it? Funny thing, they were not able to catch those responsible because they used stolen identities to get in and out of the country. People from UK and elsewhere came forward and said my identity was used but I was not there. You think possibly some of the 9-11 hijackers used false identities in order to gain entry into the Uniteed States because otherwise they would have been denied under their own name? If memory serves, there was originally believed to be 26 or 28 in the original 9-11 hijacker group. Some were denied entry into the US (guess they should have used a stolen identity). Turn on the lights, take the tin foil off your head and use some of that massive IQ you claim to have (lol). While their may indeed be more to 9-11 there is no trickery here.
Let me be perfectly clear. NONE OF THE 19 HIJACKERS HAS COME FORWARD AND SAID I AM ALIVE.
Thanks for playing, please feel free to try again. It's always fun reading the junk you must spend hours looking for.
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333, Take a break, I have a few minutes, and am happy to bury Sampson in his/her drivel.
Sampson, do you by chance remember back in January when a killing (assassination) took place in Dubai and Israel (mosaad) was blamed for it? Funny thing, they were not able to catch those responsible because they used stolen identities to get in and out of the country. People from UK and elsewhere came forward and said my identity was used but I was not there. You think possibly some of the 9-11 hijackers used false identities in order to gain entry into the Uniteed States because otherwise they would have been denied under their own name? If memory serves, there was originally believed to be 26 or 28 in the original 9-11 hijacker group. Some were denied entry into the US (guess they should have used a stolen identity). Turn on the lights, take the tin foil off your head and use some of that massive IQ you claim to have (lol). While their may indeed be more to 9-11 there is no trickery here.
Let me be perfectly clear. NONE OF THE 19 HIJACKERS HAS COME FORWARD AND SAID I AM ALIVE.
Thanks for playing, please feel free to try again. It's always fun reading the junk you must spend hours looking for.
Ozmo has a n article on this he needs to bump at CT's.
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333, Take a break, I have a few minutes, and am happy to bury Sampson in his/her drivel.
Sampson, do you by chance remember back in January when a killing (assassination) took place in Dubai and Israel (mosaad) was blamed for it? Funny thing, they were not able to catch those responsible because they used stolen identities to get in and out of the country. People from UK and elsewhere came forward and said my identity was used but I was not there. You think possibly some of the 9-11 hijackers used false identities in order to gain entry into the Uniteed States because otherwise they would have been denied under their own name? If memory serves, there was originally believed to be 26 or 28 in the original 9-11 hijacker group. Some were denied entry into the US (guess they should have used a stolen identity). Turn on the lights, take the tin foil off your head and use some of that massive IQ you claim to have (lol). While their may indeed be more to 9-11 there is no trickery here.
Let me be perfectly clear. NONE OF THE 19 HIJACKERS HAS COME FORWARD AND SAID I AM ALIVE.
Thanks for playing, please feel free to try again. It's always fun reading the junk you must spend hours looking for.
Or look at it this way. Would they go through all the trouble tying up every loose end in the greatest conspiracy of all time and then actually forget to kill the people they're framing for it? It's so stupid that it's not even plausible.
You should read Samson's posts on the laws of physics. I'd be surprised if her IQ was over 50.
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Or look at it this way. Would they go through all the trouble tying up every loose end in the greatest conspiracy of all time and then actually forget to kill the people they're framing for it? It's so stupid that it's not even plausible.
You should read Samson's posts on the laws of physics. I'd be surprised if her IQ was over 50.
Are you saying that Sampsons IQ is so high she has her own laws of physics? My god man! That would explain how those magic gas mileage pills work. Shear genius.
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333, Take a break, I have a few minutes, and am happy to bury Sampson in his/her drivel.
Sampson, do you by chance remember back in January when a killing (assassination) took place in Dubai and Israel (mosaad) was blamed for it? Funny thing, they were not able to catch those responsible because they used stolen identities to get in and out of the country. People from UK and elsewhere came forward and said my identity was used but I was not there. You think possibly some of the 9-11 hijackers used false identities in order to gain entry into the Uniteed States because otherwise they would have been denied under their own name? If memory serves, there was originally believed to be 26 or 28 in the original 9-11 hijacker group. Some were denied entry into the US (guess they should have used a stolen identity). Turn on the lights, take the tin foil off your head and use some of that massive IQ you claim to have (lol). While their may indeed be more to 9-11 there is no trickery here.
Let me be perfectly clear. NONE OF THE 19 HIJACKERS HAS COME FORWARD AND SAID I AM ALIVE.
Thanks for playing, please feel free to try again. It's always fun reading the junk you must spend hours looking for.
HAHAHAHAAH.... now this is getting really funny. DUMB is now replaced by DUMBER..Ok lets play the game (giggle giggle)
Not only where there not any Arab names on the airplanes manifest, but no one in the terminals: passengers or employees remember EVER seeing any of the supposed hijackers get onto any of the planes. There is a video of Mohammed Atta that was claimed to be him in Boston's Logan airport...but the employees at Maines airport said that terminal in the photo is of their airport and produced the film footage to prove it.
The funny thing again concerning supposed terrorist entering airports and train stations is during the London train bombings there were no photos of video of any Arabs entering into the trains and then all of a sudden after the questions arose wouldn't you know a video is produced showing Arabs entering onto the train. Sadly the ASSSHOLES that produced the footage failed to realize greater experts than they analyzed the footage which revealed that the images where laid over the train station footage and some of the film showed people actually walking through wall and through iron railing...DOH...fuck up.
So far as the 9 Arabs who were supposedly a part of 9/11 well guess what? I have only posted about a million times the articles that showed not only are the people alive bu t they are suing ameriac for hundreds of millions of dollars for slander and defamation. But maybe you missed the many articles so, maybe you saw when 20/20 went to various Arab and African nations and actually talked to the VERY MUCH ALIVE supposed terrorist who were perplexed at how their images ended up on americas claims of 911 terrorist.
And lets not forget the recent pictures of Osama Bin Laden which actually turned out to be the manipulated pictures of the president of Spain who was livid at the CIA and america over this act, of which the CIA apologized and at the same time were revealed as the LIARS they are and whole PHONY/BULLSHITNESS of this 911 crap.
I could go on forever ripping you a new asshole with facts, but you seem to have 3s mentality going on, so it is useless. But nice try making a fool of yourself...next time research the facts.
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So far as the 9 Arabs who were supposedly a part of 9/11 well guess what? I have only posted about a million times the articles that showed not only are the people alive bu t they are suing ameriac for hundreds of millions of dollars for slander and defamation. But maybe you missed the many articles so, maybe you saw when 20/20 went to various Arab and African nations and actually talked to the VERY MUCH ALIVE supposed terrorist who were perplexed at how their images ended up on americas claims of 911 terrorist.
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Can you bump these threads?
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So far as the 9 Arabs who were supposedly a part of 9/11 well guess what? I have only posted about a million times the articles that showed not only are the people alive bu t they are suing ameriac for hundreds of millions of dollars for slander and defamation. But maybe you missed the many articles so, maybe you saw when 20/20 went to various Arab and African nations and actually talked to the VERY MUCH ALIVE supposed terrorist who were perplexed at how their images ended up on americas claims of 911 terrorist.
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Can you bump these threads?
For once in your life do the research and find the threads. I recently posted all of that information again so it should be easy to find. How ever I am still waiting on the 9 hijackers who are alive and for you to explain how they still are. Then you can answer Mons questions and videos and try saying more than it's a CT or supposedly debunked.
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So far as the 9 Arabs who were supposedly a part of 9/11 well guess what? I have only posted about a million times the articles that showed not only are the people alive bu t they are suing ameriac for hundreds of millions of dollars for slander and defamation. But maybe you missed the many articles so, maybe you saw when 20/20 went to various Arab and African nations and actually talked to the VERY MUCH ALIVE supposed terrorist who were perplexed at how their images ended up on americas claims of 911 terrorist.
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Can you bump these threads?
Don't bother. 30 seconds of research will show you that this CT is stupider than most.
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For once in your life do the research and find the threads. I recently posted all of that information again so it should be easy to find. How ever I am still waiting on the 9 hijackers who are alive and for you to explain how they still are. Then you can answer Mons questions and videos and try saying more than it's a CT or supposedly debunked.
No, you claimed you reported on it so you should have the info readily available.
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No, you claimed you reported on it so you should have the info readily available.
The info is readily available, but I am not going to do the work for you, especially since it is VERY EASY TO FIND ON THIS BOARD. It would be nice to see the investigative, intellectual, researching skills you as an attorney have...haha ::) ::)
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HAHAHAHAAH.... now this is getting really funny. DUMB is now replaced by DUMBER..OK lets play the game (giggle giggle)
Not only where there not any Arab names on the airplanes manifest, but no one in the terminals: passengers or employees remember EVER seeing any of the supposed hijackers get onto any of the planes. There is a video of Mo hammed At ta that was claimed to be him in Boston's Logan airport...but the employees at Main es airport said that terminal in the photo is of their airport and produced the film footage to prove it.
The funny thing again concerning supposed terrorist entering airports and train stations is during the London train bombings there were no photos of video of any Arabs entering into the trains and then all of a sudden after the questions arose wouldn't you know a video is produced showing Arabs entering onto the train. Sadly the ASSSHOLES that produced the footage failed to realize greater experts than they analyzed the footage which revealed that the images where laid over the train station footage and some of the film showed people actually walking through wall and through iron railing...DOH...fuck up.
So far as the 9 Arabs who were supposedly a part of 9/11 well guess what? I have only posted about a million times the articles that showed not only are the people alive bu t they are suing America for hundreds of millions of dollars for slander and defamation. But maybe you missed the many articles so, maybe you saw when 20/20 went to various Arab and African nations and actually talked to the VERY MUCH ALIVE supposed terrorist who were perplexed at how their images ended up on Americas claims of 911 terrorist.
And lets not forget the recent pictures of Asama Bin Laden which actually turned out to be the manipulated pictures of the president of Spain who was livid at the CIA and America over this act, of which the CIA apologized and at the same time were revealed as the LIARS they are and whole PHONY/BULLSHITNESS of this 911 crap.
I could go on forever ripping you a new asshole with facts, but you seem to have 3s mentality going on, so it is useless. But nice try making a fool of yourself...next time research the facts.
Please READ my post. It is called Identity theft. I agree with you 100% those 9 people are not dead, they were not on the planes. THEY WERE NOT THE HIJACKERS (does typing in caps help get through to you?). You have presented no facts here. Typically, you have now attempted to alter the original argument in a failed obfuscation of the truth. The fact remains, the plausible and sane explanation is identity theft. If you would like to complete this portion of the discussion I will accept your surrender. Let me know and when I have more free time I will move on to the new items you have introduced in order to hide your epic failed claim that the hijackers are alive. Again I refer you to the Dubai assassination for a similar scenario explanation.
You have not ripped anything, perhaps you should rip the rose colored glasses off. Prove your statement that the hijackers are alive, simple as that. Please ask one of them to come forward and own up to being a hijacker from 9-11 and still being alive. Surely someone who can bend the laws of physics to her will can make this so?
Oh, wait, you insulted me,.................................................you chucklehead.
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Please READ my post. It is called Identity theft. I agree with you 100% those 9 people are not dead, they were not on the planes. THEY WERE NOT THE HIJACKERS (does typing in caps help get through to you?). You have presented no facts here. Typically, you have now attempted to alter the original argument in a failed obfuscation of the truth. The fact remains, the plausible and sane explanation is identity theft. If you would like to complete this portion of the discussion I will accept your surrender. Let me know and when I have more free time I will move on to the new items you have introduced in order to hide your epic failed claim that the hijackers are alive. Again I refer you to the Dubai assassination for a similar scenario explanation.
You have not ripped anything, perhaps you should rip the rose colored glasses off. Prove your statement that the hijackers are alive, simple as that. Please ask one of them to come forward and own up to being a hijacker from 9-11 and still being alive. Surely someone who can bend the laws of physics to her will can make this so?
Oh, wait, you insulted me,.................................................you chucklehead.
Grasping for straws Power...grasping for straws. I have posted so many documentaries, books, videos, photographs etc that nothing you nor 3 can say can in any way sours the facts. It will not be until the two of you at least READ AND WATCH the documentaries, books, videos etc that you will know the truth and be educated on what really happened. As of right now you are both like Patsies for your government playing a game to deceive others with your lies and denials as though the experts, data, scientist and professors know nothing and you somehow know it all..LMAO.
and yeah sometimes I have to type in caps to get ones attention when they are displaying grievous ignorance. I see it got your attention, but more importantly I hope it got you to move off of your stubborn stump and begin research.
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was 911 an inside job no,was ther information out there that could have prevented it, possibly
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please tell me we haven't already talked about this at length? We have had a zillion of these threads and all end up the same way. Why the hell are you guys still doing this? You like torture? You just sit around and poke needles in your eyes for fun? Everyone is locked into a side. Nobody is willing to change sides. At this point it's like asking someone to stop rooting for their favorite team and put on a jersey from the team rival. It's not fucking happening. You all are wasting your fucking time. People are fucking embedded for life on this shit. I should lock this topic, but I know you dipshits get off arguing with no possible outcome lol...
good analogy with the jerseys...
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Doh!!!!...Hugo you ever heard of the expression "LET SLEEPING DOGS LIE"...Grrrrrr.. you just reopened this thread by answering to 240...Now I will have to put in my TWO CENTS on the matter, then someone else will put in their two cents, then still another his two cents and like a SLOT MACHINE we will forever have people adding their two cents...Arrrggghhh... Just when I thought it was over....
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Those Firemen where really good that managed to put all the explosives in building 7, to get the building down in a timely fashion.
Lots of "MYSTERIOUS CONSTRUCTION" went on in the building for two years prior to the control demolition of the towers..
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I'm 145...It is Jag who said 160...see 3 I have to agree with Mons in so far as you being an attorney displaying a lack of critical thinking and fact finding skills.
There is Jag and then there is me...Two completely different people.
FINALLY!!!
It's about Fing time you spoke up!
WTH took you so long?
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Just to clarify, Jag said she was 160, then 140, then 160.
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Lots of "MYSTERIOUS CONSTRUCTION" went on in the building for two years prior to the control demolition of the towers..
So the charges were set in 1999? So how was Bush involved? This would mean that Clinton is actually behind this that son of a bitch ::)
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Just to clarify, Jag said she was 160, then 140, then 160.
A minor stroke then a full recovery?
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A minor stroke then a full recovery?
Nah. Just a bald faced lie. :D
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A minor stroke then a full recovery?
;D cute.
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Nah. Just a bald faced lie. :D
There's a big difference between a fact and your personal theory. You should learn it.
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There's a big difference between a fact and your personal theory. You should learn it.
O.K. Einstein. :D
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O.K. Einstein. :D
Thanks for the complement, ...but my potential is not quite as developed as Einstein's was.
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Thanks for the complement, ...but my potential is not quite as developed as Einstein's was.
Bwahahahahaha! ;D
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Thanks for the complement, ...but my potential is not quite as developed as Einstein's was.
You have gone on record claiming your IQ is as high as Einstein's, but your posts continually prove that your IQ is almost as high as 69.
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BUSH MAKES PEACE: BOOK REVEALED
Thu Oct 28 2010 10:30:31 ET
**Exclusive** **Must Credit**
"It was a simple question, 'Can you remember the last day you didn't have a drink?'"
So begins President George W. Bush in the opening chapter ["Quitting"] from the most anticipated book of the season, the DRUDGE REPORT can reveal.
With DECISION POINTS, set for release November 9, Bush pulls back the curtain with a strikingly personal work that takes very few shots at his critics.
The former president even stays clear of Obama!
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From 911's "Day of Fire" to "Katrina" to "Financial Crisis", Bush explains how he returned to his faith, time and time again.
And the faith of others.
The president details how he bonded with Crown Prince Abdullah of Saudi Arabia -- and a magical bird!
Arriving angry at Bush's Texas ranch over the president's position on Israel and Ramallah, Abdullah quickly decided he wanted to leave.
But the prince spots a turkey on the road -- and takes it as a good omen, a sign from Allah!
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The president reveals he gave the order to shoot down planes on September 11 -- and at first thought the plane in PA had been shot down.
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In the chapter "Stem Cells", Bush describes receiving a letter from Nancy Reagan detailing a "wrenching family journey".
But ultimately, Bush writes: "I did feel a responsibility to voice my pro-life convictions and lead the country toward what Pope John Paul II called a culture of life."
In the book, Bush describes an emotional July 2001 meeting with the Pope at the pontiff's summer residence.
Savaged by Parkinson's, the Pope saw the promise of science, but implored Bush to support life in all its forms.
Later, at the Pope's funeral -- and after a prodding from his wife that it's a time to "pray for miracles" -- Bush found himself saying a prayer for the cancer-stricken ABCNEWS anchor Peter Jennings.
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With 14 chapters and an epilogue, it's Bush's turn.
And he'll even do it on OPRAH.
A top Bush source explains: "You will find the president strong, loving life, and ultimately at peace with the decisions he made."
DECISION POINTS ranked #29 on AMAZON's hitlist early Thursday.
Developing...
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Bush bonded with a magical bird? I don't get it? Like an imaginary bird with magic powers? mmmmk....
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FINALLY!!!
It's about Fing time you spoke up!
WTH took you so long?
I've said this MANY TIMES BEFORE...How did you miss it? You know the old saying of "You can lead a horse to water, but you can not make him drink". This is the mentality of the posters here. After I had announced it many times over and they continued to say i am you, I didn't bother defending it anymore. i went through the same thing when they all kept saying I was Hugo as well as others...
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FINALLY!!!
It's about Fing time you spoke up!
WTH took you so long?
Stop talking to yourself!
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Why are you posting under a gimmick account?
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November 28, 2010
Judge Andrew Napolitano, Fox Business Host, Reveals He Is A 9/11 Truther
Fox Business host Judge Andrew Napolitano revealed on Tuesday that he does not believe the government's account of the 9/11 attacks. Napolitano, who hosts "Freedom Watch" on Fox Business and is frequently seen on Fox News as a legal analyst, told radio host Alex Jones — who is a prominent 9/11 conspiracy theorist —that the attacks "couldn't possibly have been done the way the government told us."
The subject came about when Jones noted that Geraldo Rivera had recently raised questions about the collapse of World Trade Center 7 on Napolitano's Fox Business Show. 9/11 conspiracy theorists have centered on that building's collapse, contending that it was blown up by government forces. Jones asked Napolitano what his opinion about the issue was.
Judge Napolitano replied:
"It's hard for me to believe that it came down by itself...I am gratified to see that people across the board are interested. I think twenty years from now, people will look at 9-11 the way we look at the assassination of JFK today. It couldn't possibly have been done the way the government told us."
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This guy: Barry Jennings, was MURDERED for knowing/seeing/hearing too much and when his family requested a private autopsy the doctor performing it discovered something so horrifying about how he died that he refunded the family's money and told them this a matter for the police and please not to call/contact him ever again. There have been many deaths of key witnesses from this day...there is without doubt something "they" want hidden.
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http://beyondpoliticsand911.com/photogallery/displayimage.php?pid=263
a 100 ton 767 jetliner produced this hole at pentagon.
of course it did. ;)
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Fox News Judge Andrew Napolitano on 9/11: The U.S. Government Lied
Judge Andrew Napolitano, host of "Freedom Watch" on Fox Business, questioned the official version of the 9/11 attacks in an interview with radio show host Alex Jones on November 23, 2010, saying: "It's hard for me to believe that it came down by itself...I am gratified to see that people across the board are interested.
It couldn't possibly have been done the way the government told us."
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Isn't this six years old? Slow news day?
nope... some like YOU are mentally slooooooooooooooooooooow . :-*
you must be hanging around $arah palins daughters retarded kid. ;)
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Levi Johnston appeared on CBS' Early Show Wednesday, where he explained his reasons for spilling unflattering information about the Palin family and said he was keeping some "huge" secrets.
Among other things, Johnston said Palin joked about her son Trig's Down Syndrome, calling him her "retarded baby."
Sarah Palin's Baby Belongs to Her Daughter? By Texas Wahine On 8/31/2008 8:54:43 PM
Is Sarah Palin's youngest child NOT her child?
Her pregnancy announcement came as a shock to those around her, as she announced it when she was 7 months along, and apparently, not looking the slightest bit pregnant.
http://www.adn.com/front/story/336402.html
A pic of her at 6 months pregnant (before the news was out):
http://www.adn.com/politics/v-gallery/story/339576.html?/politics/v-enlarge/story/339576-a339575-t3.html
Supposedly, her 16 year old daughter was taken out of school for 5 months for an extended case of mono. Here's a pic of the family (6 months into the pregnancy?).
http://mediatakeout.s3.amazonaws.com/photo/1220106076palinscandal.jpg
I had also read it mentioned that Sarah's water broke in TX...she gave a 30 minute speech, and then flew 11-12 hours back to Alaska with premature labor and delivered in Alaska.
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"PULL IT" = Controlled demolition
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Watch what REAL PILOTS say about 9-11, not dipshits on GB.
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Real Pilots say no 757 hit Pentagon. Lets hear what a reporter witnessed live! ;)
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http://firefightersfor911truth.org/
Read what FDNY thinks about 9-11 BS story.
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http://www.ae911truth.org/
Listen to the experts on 9-11 not palin drones on GB.
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http://www.scientistsfor911truth.org/
Listen to scientists not retards.
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http://www.pilotsfor911truth.org/
Pilots know a thing or two about Jetliners and crashes. ;)
Ignore the GB retards!!!
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http://lawyersfor911truth.blogspot.com/
Ignore this one 333's.....its Lawyers with common sense. :-*
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http://physics911.net/
Another great site for the truth.
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Until you come to the table with someone not debunked ten times to sunday - STFU!
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http://beyondpoliticsand911.com/photogallery/displayimage.php?pid=263
757 at 560mph CAN NOT fly at ground level.....leave a ROUND hole.....and vaporize!!
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3333's .....A fire cannot cause buildings to collapse at free fall speed as if the building had no foundation and resistance underneath it. In fact professional architectures who saw the collapse of the towers say exactly that. No tower has collapsed due to fire before or after 9/11. So I guess your just one of those sheeple that refuse to accept a clear issue and is simply retarded and blind. I have no time for the likes of you who want to remain an ignoramus so STFU!
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http://buildingwhat.org/
Truth takes time. ;)
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FDNY + NYPD = heros
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A proponent of psychic warfare, Stubblebine was involved in a U.S. military project to create "a breed of 'super soldier'" who would "have the ability to become invisible at will and to walk through walls". He encouraged visitors to his office to walk through walls and has said that the ability to do so is a great idea, but that it would also be a disappointment, similar to levitation.[3] He features prominently in Jon Ronson's book The Men Who Stare at Goats,[6] where he is described as firmly believing that he himself can walk through walls.[7]
Interesting, he is/was assumably well educated with a masters in chemical engineering from Columbia. Must have been sick the day they explained that a metal does not have to melt in order for it to fail. In fact Steel loses 50% of its strength at a temperature of 600+ celcius.
Next your going to tell us all the bomb dogs were removed days before 9-11 so they could plant the expolosives?
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I predict another spam blast of clips.
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I predict another spam blast of clips.
Sorry, put me in TO, I was bored and had to poke the dog.
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Put you in a TO for what?
Nothing wrong with your post.
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Put you in a TO for what?
Nothing wrong with your post.
Lol, for cranking back up the snowstorm of clips machine.
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Lol, for cranking back up the snowstorm of clips machine.
Hahaha. He does that all on his own. Lol
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CNN reporter-"From my CLOSEUP inspection there's no evidence a plane crashed anywhere near the Pentagon"
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A proponent of psychic warfare, Stubblebine was involved in a U.S. military project to create "a breed of 'super soldier'" who would "have the ability to become invisible at will and to walk through walls". He encouraged visitors to his office to walk through walls and has said that the ability to do so is a great idea, but that it would also be a disappointment, similar to levitation.[3] He features prominently in Jon Ronson's book The Men Who Stare at Goats,[6] where he is described as firmly believing that he himself can walk through walls.[7]
Interesting, he is/was assumably well educated with a masters in chemical engineering from Columbia. Must have been sick the day they explained that a metal does not have to melt in order for it to fail. In fact Steel loses 50% of its strength at a temperature of 600+ celcius.
Next your going to tell us all the bomb dogs were removed days before 9-11 so they could plant the expolosives?
You really should stop listening to main stream media madness. Steel does not lose fifty percent of its strength at 600 degrees Celsius...or any of its strength at that low of a temperature. Do this experiment. Try to bend any part of your kitchen stove while the stove is cold, then turn it up to BROIL (about 700 degrees) and leave it there for a couple hours...see if you can bend even the cheapest part of the stove after hours of heat at 700 degrees. After you finish that try and bend any of the metal grates that form the eyes of the stove top...then turn fire on and leave it for an hour until the grates are burning hot...try and bend it. If a cheap household stove can reach temps approaching a thousand degrees and not melt into a pool of molten metal, then how the hell does metal four to six inches thick melt after only 1 hour when it was rated to burn at over 3000 degrees (a far cry from what the WTC obtained) for over four hours with no loss in strength?
BTW There were no WTC dogs before 911...and those that were present the day of 911 ARE ALL DEAD!!!
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That's a good argument, but if the steel in your stove is unbendable by a person when it's at 50% then your Argument doesn't hold weight.
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i don't know why people are talking about stoves, they probably don't even use high carbon steel and the parts are thin enough that yes, people can bend them. unless he's thinking of one of those old cast iron stoves.
now high carbon steel, anybody here worked with that stuff? That's what was used in the WTC and it is a meggabitch to bend. pretty strong shit
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i don't know why people are talking about stoves, they probably don't even use high carbon steel and the parts are thin enough that yes, people can bend them. unless he's thinking of one of those old cast iron stoves.
now high carbon steel, anybody here worked with that stuff? That's what was used in the WTC and it is a meggabitch to bend. pretty strong shit
Well einstein...the point in referencing a stove is that it is a device everyone has that is capable of reaching temperatures of 700 degrees. The thin metal of a regular home model stove does not melt or even become soft/pliable or even weakened after hours at temperatures of 700 degrees. All self cleaning ovens use temperatures between 700 and 800 degrees to clean the oven over a period of about three hours. How is it a stove made of metal barely a 16th of an inch thick can survive these temps with no warping distortion or melting and yet alloy steel columns 4 to 6 inches thick just melts away in the WTC?... Maybe the next sky scraper should be made by a stove manufacturer...
For further proof of the FAILURE of the lies told about the WTC collapsing. A electric space heater in a home or a kerosene heater reaches temps of 1200 to 1600 degrees and it too is made up of THIN METAL like a kitchen stove and yet it burns for hours and hours on end without melting/failing at all and it does this year after year after year. A cast iron stove can literally last centuries of daily use at high temps and show no sign of failure... so someone please let me know how massive columns not only fail, but fail at 30 foot increments...Hmmmmm?
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you can't even compare the two you idiot. stoves are not support structures. Different steel, different purpose. It's a stupid argument. if you want make your point and even this isn't a good point, go have someone heat a 1/2" diameter rod of regular steel to those temps and try to bend it. you will be able to bend it. now have them try that with the same diameter of high carbon steel... Still extremely strong.
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you can't even compare the two you idiot. stoves are not support structures. Different steel, different purpose. It's a stupid argument. if you want make your point and even this isn't a good point, go have someone heat a 1/2" diameter rod of regular steel to those temps and try to bend it. you will be able to bend it. now have them try that with the same diameter of high carbon steel... Still extremely strong.
You're too retarded to be able to read and comprehend. Read the last post I made again...then go out and get a 1/2 thick rebar and make a video of you bending it for GB.
Now for further clarity on my last post (this is only for you Huey...since you are stuck on stupid). The metal in a plain household stove can withstand temps of 800 degrees minimum without melting, warping, distorting or collapsing. Please explain how metal barely 1/16 of an inch thick can stand up to those temperatures and higher and NOT fail and even take temps of 1200 to 1600 in Kerosene and electric space heaters and NOT FAIL, yet gigantic alloy steel beams in the WTC just collapse and fall with cool fires that burned for under 1 hour in perfect 30 foot segments.
Now there is a lot to think about so THINK before you answer. You don't normally think much before you respond.
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Top Pentagon officials were warned and cancelled flights on September 10th
NEWSWEEK has learned that the state of alert had been high during the past two weeks, and a particularly urgent warning may have been received the night before the attacks, causing some top Pentagon brass to cancel a trip.
NORAD 'stands down' as Top Brass are warned in advance NOT to fly on 9-11. ;)
Sheeple.
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Where's the Plane CNN ? ;)
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Pilots did a great job under difficult circumstances :)
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http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2329092821935314404#docid=1770071652812805345
Movie is called In 'Plane' Site
It breaks down 9-11 lies ONE by ONE.
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http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2329092821935314404#docid=1770071652812805345
Movie is called In 'Plane' Site
It breaks down 9-11 lies ONE by ONE.
You RULE Mons...you rule....there is no argument that can be made against this thread unless the person simply does not want to believe the facts
BTW other good documentaries are
September Clues
New American Century
Loose Change: A Coup
National Alert
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A friend sent me this info in an e-mail. I believe it is new unreleased footage and information. Lots of videos I have not seen before and survivors telling of what they saw and heard on 911
http://wearechangenewjersey.com/?p=751
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and you really expect people to think you're not mons venus now ::) I think you pretty much put the last nail in that coffin.
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Nope, it wasn't an inside job.
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Nope, it wasn't an inside job.
yes it was, but mons fuctard is not going to help make the case with a thousand youtube posts...
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yes it was, but mons fuctard is not going to help make the case with a thousand youtube posts...
Yeah I know. :)
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Yeah I know. :)
9/11 was an inside job! done, mission accomplished... see how easy that was :D
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9/11 was an inside job! done, mission accomplished... see how easy that was :D
9/11 absolutely was an inside job. And the US military knows it. If most people knew this to be true Israel would be history before you could blink an eye.
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"never before in history" therefore it must be a controlled demolition
"only" a very precise demolition.
Among many many many many other things this is why thruthers are not taken seriously. Using arguments like these only sway the uninformed and unintelligent. Even casual people that look into the possibility of 911 being an inside job quickly see the foundation of the weak arguments presented.
Is there any substantial evidence?
Feel free to keep spamming clips and articles, but no one seems to take them seriously much less read or watch them.
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What I would like to see is some one come up with a detailed theory of what they think really happened on 911 as it was an inside job. From planning to execution to people and personal involved and from that begin to prove that theory.
Any takers?
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An Appeal to Firefighters, Present and Past from a retired FDNY Lieutenant
Fellow Firefighters, A great tragedy befell our community on September 11, 2001, an unprecedented 343 deaths in the line of duty. As horrible as that toll is, if there were a rational explanation for it, we could accept it and mourn. We all understood the risk we accepted when we took the oath of office, that chance might cut short our lives when we placed ourselves in harm’s way in the public’s service. This is what we are paid for and it is our honor. However, in short, the official explanation of the events of that day are not only insufficient, they are fantastic and cannot bear rational examination. We are asked to believe that on that day three structural steel buildings, which have never before in history collapsed because of fire, fell neatly into their basements at the speed of gravity, their concrete reduced to dust. We are asked to believe that jet fuel (kerosene) can melt steel. We are asked to believe that the most sophisticated air defense system in the world, that responded to sixty-eight emergencies in the year prior to 9-11 in less than twenty minutes allowed aircraft to wander about for up to an hour and a half. We are asked to believe that the steel and titanium components of an aircraft that supposedly hit the Pentagon “evaporated”.
There is much, much more if anyone cares to look into it. Trade Tower #7 by itself is the “smoking gun”. Not hit by an aircraft, with only a few relatively small fires, it came down in a classic crimp and implosion, going straight into its basement, something only very precise demolition can accomplish, which takes days if not weeks to prepare. The 9-11 Commission didn’t even mention it, and F.E.M.A. actually stated they DIDN’T KNOW WHY IT COLLAPSED AND LEFT IT AT THAT. Brothers, I know that the implications of the above are hard, almost unthinkable, but the official explanation is utter nonsense, and three hundred and forty three murdered brothers are crying out for justice. Demand a genuine investigation into the events of September 11!
-Anton Vodvarka, Lt. FDNY (ret)
Lt. Vodvarka served on FDNY Ladder Co 26, Rescue Co. 3, Rescue Co. 1, Engine Co. 92, Ladder 82 and Ladder 101. He was awarded the Merit Class 1 award, the Prentice Medal.
http://firefightersfor911truth.org/
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Spam a dam a ding dong! :D
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Spam a dam a ding dong! :D
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NT,
I just realized you are posting many of same clips over and over. Please stop, otherwise i will start removing posts followed by killing the entire thread. I don't mind you posting clips and articles, but do not keep posting the same ones over and over again.
thanks.
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I am asking you not to repeatedly post the same clips and articles over and over again.
If you can't bring yourself to do that or just can't cooperate then i will eventually choose to kill the thread.
Additionally, there isn't anything I've seen in recent years that I or another haven't debunked about 911 at some point or another.
I find most people who argue the 911 CT just spam clips and articles, just like you are doing. I'm not going to waste my time debunking another person's work simply because you can not or choose not to form your own case in your own words.
What do you want to do? have a spam war? I'll cut and paste from debunk sites and you cut and paste from truther sites?
That's fucking lame.
I issued a reasonable challenge:
What I would like to see is some one come up with a detailed theory of what they think really happened on 911 as it was an inside job. From planning to execution to people and personal involved and from that begin to prove that theory.
Any takers?
and what did you do?
More spamming.
Is that all you got?
Is that all you are?
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What I would like to see is some one come up with a detailed theory of what they think really happened on 911 as it was an inside job. From planning to execution to people and personal involved and from that begin to prove that theory.
Any takers?
The Manhattan Project employed 130,000 people and they all kept it secret until the bomb was delivered. How? Because not everyone of the 130,000 knew the big picture. They all had a little part to play but only a few individuals knew the totality of the project.
This is why it would be possible for 911 to be an inside job and not everyone be "in" on the deception. Also there are many prominent witnesses that came forward so it really has not been kept "secret" as you debunkers claim. There are millions if not 100s of millions of people in the world that believe this was an inside job.
What I have noticed is if we present you with testimony or video of a witness that brings into question the events surrounding 911 the witness is immediately being discredited as a bum, drunk or moron.
Let's face it, you don't want to believe 911 was an inside job because it turns your world upside down and brings into question everything you've come to believe about it.
Some people would rather life in ignorant bliss.
Ozmo, you can choose to take the red pill or the blue pill. ;)
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I find most people who argue the 911 CT just spam clips and articles, just like you are doing. I'm not going to waste my time debunking another person's work simply because you can not or choose not to form your own case in your own words.
If we were not the masterminds behind 911 how can we provide you with any other evidence? Your argument would make sense if the TRUTHERS were the ones that engineered 911. All we can do is investigate and look at facts. As investigators we have too look at articles, videos, audio clips and works of other people that have also researched the events.
How would you investigate an event without these??
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The Manhattan Project employed 130,000 people and they all kept it secret until the bomb was delivered. How? Because not everyone of the 130,000 knew the big picture. They all had a little part to play but only a few individuals knew the totality of the project.
This is why it would be possible for 911 to be an inside job and not everyone be "in" on the deception. Also there are many prominent witnesses that came forward so it really has not been kept "secret" as you debunkers claim. There are millions if not 100s of millions of people in the world that believe this was an inside job.
What I have noticed is if we present you with testimony or video of a witness that brings into question the events surrounding 911 the witness is immediately being discredited as a bum, drunk or moron.
Let's face it, you don't want to believe 911 was an inside job because it turns your world upside down and brings into question everything you've come to believe about it.
Some people would rather life in ignorant bliss.
Ozmo, you can choose to take the red pill or the blue pill. ;)
Firstly Quad, i would like to thank you for having gumption to address my arguments with out running away or spamming away.
After the bomb was detonated was there a need for secrecy about the program then? No. In the case of 911, afterwards many of these people you allege would be in on it but not know fully what they were in on, would know. Many would surely speak out or find a way to anonymously lead investigators, press, other countries etc. to evidence indicating a inside job. So comparing a 911 inside job to the Mahatten project doesn't work here because its not the same.
What prominent witnesses? And even if there are "witnesses" like that cab driver, their testimony gets liquified when propped up against the mountains of evidence and witnesses to contrary. If 20 people testified they saw John Doe pull a gun out of his jacket and shot Mary Jane, but one person testifies that John Dow pulled out a banana instead, does that make the 20 people liars? You are always going to get conflicting testimonies. Just like in the JFK assassination. The majority of the 171 or so witnesses said they heard 3 shoots. a small percentage, I forget exactly how many, something like 10 people thought they heard 4 while a few thought they heard 2.
There are thousands of people who still believe the world is flat, Elvis is alive, and Humpty Dumpty was pushed. Few people believe things based on facts.
What i am asking you or anyone else to do, is do what i do, present an argument and back it up with facts. Those facts might come in the form of links, videos etc..
If we were not the masterminds behind 911 how can we provide you with any other evidence? Your argument would make sense if the TRUTHERS were the ones that engineered 911. All we can do is investigate and look at facts. As investigators we have too look at articles, videos, audio clips and works of other people that have also researched the events.
How would you investigate an event without these??
Real simple, if what you claim is true there should be evidence to back it up. You should be able to make arguments based on that evidence. For example, There is mountains of evidence to back up the fact that a plane did hit the pentagon. If there was no evidence of that and the only evidence that existed was 911 truther evidence then you might have something. But still, there is so little of it, it would be hard to make a real case.
Ozmo, you can choose to take the red pill or the blue pill. Wink
Just think of me like an Atheist. I don't deny the existence of God, I only acknowledge the lack of evidence proving he exists. Same with the 911 truther movement. Show me evidence. and Prove conclusively. Don't try lame arguments like: A building has never before collapsed from fire so therefore it must have been a demolition. That's for dumb people.
I try and weigh arguments and evidence and make an objective conclusion using logic and a scientific approach. Simple. the evidence of a plane hitting the pentagon far outweighs all truth-er theories.
I am like a bull shit detector. :)
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Some people would rather life in ignorant bliss.
And com on, QZ, is that not the most overused stupid assertion when debating CT's?
similar to:
Oh so you just would rather keep your head buried in the sand, or You just would rather be a sheep all your life.
QZ, can we dispense with that stupid shit and just debate cleanly?
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And com on, QZ, is that not the most overused stupid assertion when debating CT's?
similar to:
Oh so you just would rather keep your head buried in the sand, or You just would rather be a sheep all your life.
QZ, can we dispense with that stupid shit and just debate cleanly?
LOL no b/c the ct'rs dont have anything to cleanly debate...otherwise it wouldnt be a CT ;)
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Seems like i killed the thread without killing the thread!
What's with having a level debate that scares most CT'ers away?
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Seems like i killed the thread without killing the thread!
What's with having a level debate that scares most CT'ers away?
the thing is every CT angle can be quickly dismantled with a 30 sec google search...we have proved it time and again on here...
I can agree that the govt probably knows more than the are letting on about 9/11 but then again the govt probably knows more about everything including green energy than they let us know about so what else is new?
did they plan or have a hand in 9/11? hahahah fuck no only a fuking moron would believe that idiocy
if not prove me wrong...
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There are definitely questions no doubt, but nothing that conclusively points to our government conducting a false flag operation.
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of course.
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A Jewish academic speaks out about 9/11
http://republicbroadcasting.org/?p=16080 (http://republicbroadcasting.org/?p=16080)
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Firstly Quad, i would like to thank you for having gumption to address my arguments with out running away or spamming away.
After the bomb was detonated was there a need for secrecy about the program then? No. In the case of 911, afterwards many of these people you allege would be in on it but not know fully what they were in on, would know. Many would surely speak out or find a way to anonymously lead investigators, press, other countries etc. to evidence indicating a inside job. So comparing a 911 inside job to the Mahatten project doesn't work here because its not the same.
What prominent witnesses? And even if there are "witnesses" like that cab driver, their testimony gets liquified when propped up against the mountains of evidence and witnesses to contrary. If 20 people testified they saw John Doe pull a gun out of his jacket and shot Mary Jane, but one person testifies that John Dow pulled out a banana instead, does that make the 20 people liars? You are always going to get conflicting testimonies. Just like in the JFK assassination. The majority of the 171 or so witnesses said they heard 3 shoots. a small percentage, I forget exactly how many, something like 10 people thought they heard 4 while a few thought they heard 2.
There are thousands of people who still believe the world is flat, Elvis is alive, and Humpty Dumpty was pushed. Few people believe things based on facts.
What i am asking you or anyone else to do, is do what i do, present an argument and back it up with facts. Those facts might come in the form of links, videos etc..
Real simple, if what you claim is true there should be evidence to back it up. You should be able to make arguments based on that evidence. For example, There is mountains of evidence to back up the fact that a plane did hit the pentagon. If there was no evidence of that and the only evidence that existed was 911 truther evidence then you might have something. But still, there is so little of it, it would be hard to make a real case.
Just think of me like an Atheist. I don't deny the existence of God, I only acknowledge the lack of evidence proving he exists. Same with the 911 truther movement. Show me evidence. and Prove conclusively. Don't try lame arguments like: A building has never before collapsed from fire so therefore it must have been a demolition. That's for dumb people.
I try and weigh arguments and evidence and make an objective conclusion using logic and a scientific approach. Simple. the evidence of a plane hitting the pentagon far outweighs all truth-er theories.
I am like a bull shit detector. :)
Perhaps we would find more evidence by investigating 911 independently. But with access to everything the government has access to. Don't you agree? We need more evidence and there are too many questions.
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Perhaps we would find more evidence by investigating 911 independently. But with access to everything the government has access to. Don't you agree? We need more evidence and there are too many questions.
I would support a independent 911 investagation with certain parameters concerning security and classified issues. But we will never see it.
But regardless, if you approach this completely neutral and free of opinion, viewing the available evidence, and come away with a conclusion of this being an inside job then you should at the very least have a basic picture/theory of what happened and be able to construct a case based on the evidence. Mostly what i see with this CT is nothing but invalid arguements, some of which I have already eluded to.
So I asked you again, what do you really think did happen on 911 in detail and how does your evidence support it?
And I don't agree there are too many qiestions, but do agree that there are some, but not near enough to cast reasonable doubt.
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Those little white flashes you can see below the crumbling of the building?
Are you saying these white flashes have to be from explosions?
And are you also talking about the white flashes outside of the building, outside of the dust cloud that are likely metallic refections?
And are you also talking about the white flashes that are well with in the cloud of dust as it falls but no where near the outline of where the building used to be?
And a you talking about the random white flahses that can seen in other spots?
Even the ones that occur away from the building before that part fo the building crumbles which are likely video noise?
And are you using a grainy video as the bases for evidence to conclude the building was wired with explosives?
I hope not. :)
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So I asked you again, what do you really think did happen on 911 in detail and how does your evidence support it?
Bump.
Going out to eat with Some friends. Have fun. :)
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No NT,
Stay on one point at at time. Don't go jumping to other points like the metal temps when we haven't finished with your flashes. You CT'ers seems to be so fond of this invalid form of arguing. Is all you can do is ridicule my points on it? Then I will conclude at this time that's all you have and there for got nothing. Prove my points wrong or submit to them.
Only the weak will try and ridicule a point in an attempt to prove it wrong.
So let's see why you think my points are wrong, what you say those flashes are and then we can go on to the metal.
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BTW, good for you! You are Attempting to have A reasonable debate and discussion.
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BTW, good for you! You are Attempting to have A reasonable debate and discussion.
LOL, really think so huh?
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LOL, really think so huh?
to be fair, some have actually tried to have reasonable discussions on this over the years and have been meet with nothing but shit for even trying. Even though I have a shit load of research in on this, I can't imagine debating this with anyone today... Wonder why.....
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to be fair, some have actually tried to have reasonable discussions on this over the years and have been meet with nothing but shit for even trying. Even though I have a shit load of research in on this, I can't imagine debating this with anyone today... Wonder why.....
I think ive debated with one who did so in a rationale way even though their theories and points were debunked in 30 secs with google. something about blue tents on the lawn of the pentegon used to carry plane wreckage in to the site or something or other iono...
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LMFAO dude those flashes look more like ppl breaking the windows in order to let the smoke out...
you notice how in the 2nd one smoke poors out after the flash?
you know ppl jumped out of the buildings dont you?
how do you suppose they got out? breaking the windows perhaps?
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I think ive debated with one who did so in a rationale way even though their theories and points were debunked in 30 secs with google. something about blue tents on the lawn of the pentegon used to carry plane wreckage in to the site or something or other iono...
See, even with you, I would have zero interest in debating on this subject. Your sarcasm is clear and well understood. Just that you so casually laugh off this debate is rather typical. You easily debunked it via google lol... I guess there is nowhere to look past that...
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See, even with you, I would have zero interest in debating on this subject. Your sarcasm is clear and well understood. Just that you so casually laugh off this debate is rather typical. You easily debunked it via google lol... I guess there is nowhere to look past that...
LOL bro, im not bullshitting I havent been given one, NOT FREAKING ONE!!!! theory, piece of evidence etc...that cannot be debunked with 30 secs with google...
Look Ive admitted time and time again that YES the govt probably does know alot more about 9/11 then they are telling us. HOWEVER that doesnt mean the govt planned or was complient in the acts of that day.
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No shit - whenever you ask the 911 CT crowd for their theory, they act like babies and throw a temper tantrum.
Very simple - give a theory of
WHO
WHY
HOW
ETC.
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What I would like to see is some one come up with a detailed theory of what they think really happened on 911 as it was an inside job. From planning to execution to people and personal involved and from that begin to prove that theory.
Any takers?
Bump
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No NT,
Stay on one point at at time. Don't go jumping to other points like the metal temps when we haven't finished with your flashes. You CT'ers seems to be so fond of this invalid form of arguing. Is all you can do is ridicule my points on it? Then I will conclude at this time that's all you have and there for got nothing. Prove my points wrong or submit to them.
Only the weak will try and ridicule a point in an attempt to prove it wrong.
So let's see why you think my points are wrong, what you say those flashes are and then we can go on to the metal.
Bump for NT......giving him the benefit of the doubt. :)
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1) what is the MAXIMUM temperature jet fuel (kerosene) burns at?
2) what temperature is required to MELT fire insulated STEEL, plus turn concrete into pulverized dust midair? (See below)
I don't know why people think steel has to melt in order to collapse. Anyone that has worked metal knows it gets very soft way before it actually melts, in fact it doesn't even need to be red hot to get soft enough to be pliable with simple hand tools.
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I don't know why people think steel has to melt in order to collapse. Anyone that has worked metal knows it gets very soft way before it actually melts, in fact it doesn't even need to be red hot to get soft enough to be pliable with simple hand tools.
Why did the CCTV building in Beijing not collapse? Look at those flames!!!
http://www.chinasmack.com/2009/pictures/beijing-cctv-building-on-fire-news-censored.html (http://www.chinasmack.com/2009/pictures/beijing-cctv-building-on-fire-news-censored.html)
(http://www.chinasmack.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/beijing-cctv-building-fire-04.jpg)
(http://www.chinasmack.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/beijing-cctv-building-fire-11.png)
(http://www.chinasmack.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/beijing-cctv-building-fire-07-540x806.jpg)
(http://www.chinasmack.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/beijing-cctv-building-fire-08.png)
(http://www.chinasmack.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/beijing-cctv-building-fire-extinguished-01-540x359.jpg)
(http://www.chinasmack.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/beijing-cctv-building-fire-extinguished-05-260x390.jpg)
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Yet this building collapsed. The fires at the CCTV building were magnitudes greater!
(http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSYt-xYTiCUBwSMgwgy9SPcfuBL6eUcXOcYVhrd4AegzCdFaAeL)
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Why did the CCTV building in Beijing not collapse? Look at those flames!!!
http://www.chinasmack.com/2009/pictures/beijing-cctv-building-on-fire-news-censored.html (http://www.chinasmack.com/2009/pictures/beijing-cctv-building-on-fire-news-censored.html)
(http://www.chinasmack.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/beijing-cctv-building-fire-04.jpg)
(http://www.chinasmack.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/beijing-cctv-building-fire-11.png)
(http://www.chinasmack.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/beijing-cctv-building-fire-07-540x806.jpg)
(http://www.chinasmack.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/beijing-cctv-building-fire-08.png)
(http://www.chinasmack.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/beijing-cctv-building-fire-extinguished-01-540x359.jpg)
(http://www.chinasmack.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/beijing-cctv-building-fire-extinguished-05-260x390.jpg)
well that proves it, two buildings fell after being run into by jumbo liners and this one didnt...
yep, 9/11 was an inside job...::)
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well that proves it, two buildings fell after being run into by jumbo liners and this one didnt...
yep, 9/11 was an inside job...::)
WTC7 was not run into by a jumbo liner. There were minimal fires. It is a fair question. Or do you not want to debate?
Again, there were minimal fires in WTC7 and it was not hit by a plane or major building debris. The building was intact. Yet it collapsed at the speed of gravity a couple of hours later. And then when you look at the CCTV building in Beijing it practically exploded and had massive fireballs even larger than the twin towers and yet it did not collapse and is still standing to this day.
Does that strike you as odd?
BTW, go to the link. China Smack is replacing the images I linked with collage art. I will reupdate the links later today.
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I still am shocked that for such a massive CT to allegedly have to have been pulled off - NOT ONE PERSON HAS COME FORWARD
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I still am shocked that for such a massive CT to allegedly have to have been pulled off - NOT ONE PERSON HAS COME FORWARD
As explained before, in the Manhattan project only a few peole knew the big picture. Not all 130,000 people employed by that project knew the total scope. Thus it was a secret until after the bomb was dropped and the masterminds came forward and told everyone about the project. Of course you could see the results for yourself, but had they said it was the Mango project this would also have been good enough. Heck few people involved even knew it was called the Manhattan Project. Some people had small parts like: "Please deliver this box to that office". That's it.
You make it sound like all people involved (1000's) would need to come forward if 911 was a CT. Many would most likely not even know they were involved.
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As explained before, in the Manhattan project only a few peole knew the big picture. Not all 130,000 people employed by that project knew the total scope. Thus it was a secret until after the bomb was dropped and the masterminds came forward and told everyone about the project. Of course you could see the results for yourself, but had they said it was the Mango project this would also have been good enough. Heck few people involved even knew it was called the Manhattan Project. Some people had small parts like: "Please deliver this box to that office". That's it.
You make it sound like all people involved (1000's) would need to come forward if 911 was a CT. Many would most likely not even know they were involved.
Ok, lets say you worked for a demo company and worked on either WTC 7 or the Towers. that would take at least a dozen people.
Not one after that fact comes forward and says: "I cant sleep at night, we worked on the towers in the months before, hope nothing we did contributed to this." ? ? ? ?
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Ok, lets say you worked for a demo company and worked on either WTC 7 or the Towers. that would take at least a dozen people.
Not one after that fact comes forward and says: "I cant sleep at night, we worked on the towers in the months before, hope nothing we did contributed to this." ? ? ? ?
Well, if said demo company placed the explosives they would have known full well before 911 that their handiwork would assure the death of thousands of people come September 11th. You think these kind of people would have trouble sleeping at night? Does Brevik have trouble sleeping at night after killing close to a hundred people in Oslo? No, there are certain kinds of people (thousands if not hundreds of thousands) that will do anything for a cause and show no remorse. Just like the female spider show no remorse eating her mate. It's a cruel world out there no doubt.
I don't think it would have been an average demo company btw. Jesse Ventura himself worked on demolition for the military, not a demolition company. There are many people outside of demolition companies that can demolish structures.
You can't deny it is damn strange that WTC7 came down a couple of hours later. And the media was very quiet about it. And we know Sliverstein said in a video interview that they decided to pull the building (WTC7). The flames and explosions at the CCTV tower were magnitudes greater than WTC7. Look at the videos and photos!
Anybody looking at this objectively will question WTC7.
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Well, if said demo company placed the explosives they would have known full well before 911 that their handiwork would assure the death of thousands of people come September 11th. You think these kind of people would have trouble sleeping at night? Does Brevik have trouble sleeping at night after killing close to a hundred people in Oslo? No, there are certain kinds of people (thousands if not hundreds of thousands) that will do anything for a cause and show no remorse. Just like the female spider show no remorse eating her mate. It's a cruel world out there no doubt.
I don't think it would have been an average demo company btw. Jesse Ventura himself worked on demolition for the military, not a demolition company. There are many people outside of demolition companies that can demolish structures.
You can't deny it is damn strange that WTC7 came down a couple of hours later. And the media was very quiet about it. And we know Sliverstein said in a video interview that they decided to pull the building (WTC7). The flames and explosions at the CCTV tower were magnitudes greater than WTC7. Look at the videos and photos!
Anybody looking at this objectively will question WTC7.
I'm not saying no. I am trying to imagine in actuality how a CT would play out and how all the moving parts and all the people necessary to pull that off could get away with it and not screw up given all the human factors.
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I'm not saying no. I am trying to imagine in actuality how a CT would play out and how all the moving parts and all the people necessary to pull that off could get away with it and not screw up given all the human factors.
Well, personally I feel they have screwed up. For example, the Pentagon video footage shows a flying object crashing into the side of the building. Yet it is much smaller than the plane they claim flew into it. That is one screw up right there.
With all the lies coming out of DC do you even believe anything they say or do anymore? Obviously they do not care about the citizens. They are absolutely willing to replace the European descendants in America with Hispanic, African and Asian populations. That is why they are not closing the borders and sued Arizona for trying to do something about it. Killing a few thousand to make a point is not beyond these scumbags. They thought nothing of sending 50,000 soldiers to death in Vietnam all because of a lie. Human life is expendable to them. History is our evidence. How many millions have been killed because of a few scumbags in history?
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WTC7 was not run into by a jumbo liner. There were minimal fires. It is a fair question. Or do you not want to debate?
Again, there were minimal fires in WTC7 and it was not hit by a plane or major building debris. The building was intact. Yet it collapsed at the speed of gravity a couple of hours later. And then when you look at the CCTV building in Beijing it practically exploded and had massive fireballs even larger than the twin towers and yet it did not collapse and is still standing to this day.
Does that strike you as odd?
BTW, go to the link. China Smack is replacing the images I linked with collage art. I will reupdate the links later today.
does it raise questions? sure but they dont point to CT...
how was the construction of the building in china? codes etc...the same as here in the US? materials used? materials from different companies?
there are so many different variables that its not even funny, but you look at one video from the internet and automatically jump to the WT7 was a controlled demo?
the problem with cters is they dont look at things objectively, youre a prime example of this.
you look for the CT, you look for the evidence that supports your ct...
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What I would like to see is some one come up with a detailed theory of what they think really happened on 911 as it was an inside job. From planning to execution to people and personal involved and from that begin to prove that theory.
Any takers?
Bump
Or can i expect avoidance and subject jumping as usual?
It's ok either way.
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As explained before, in the Manhattan project only a few peole knew the big picture. Not all 130,000 people employed by that project knew the total scope. Thus it was a secret until after the bomb was dropped and the masterminds came forward and told everyone about the project. Of course you could see the results for yourself, but had they said it was the Mango project this would also have been good enough. Heck few people involved even knew it was called the Manhattan Project. Some people had small parts like: "Please deliver this box to that office". That's it.
You make it sound like all people involved (1000's) would need to come forward if 911 was a CT. Many would most likely not even know they were involved.
Yeah and you have avoid my argument showing how the manhattan project doesn't compare all.
After the bomb was detonated was there a need for secrecy about the program then? No. In the case of 911, afterwards many of these people you allege would be in on it but not know fully what they were in on, would know. Many would surely speak out or find a way to anonymously lead investigators, press, other countries etc. to evidence indicating a inside job. So comparing a 911 inside job to the Mahatten project doesn't work here because its not the same.
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There are definitely questions no doubt, but nothing that conclusively points to our government conducting a false flag operation.
What questions are there in your mind? If it does not conclusively point to a false flag operation, what does it indicate?
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What I would like to see is some one come up with a detailed theory of what they think really happened on 911 as it was an inside job. From planning to execution to people and personal involved and from that begin to prove that theory.
Any takers?
If we were not the masterminds behind 911 how can we do this? The point of opening another investigation is to find this out - who was involved, etc. Your question can be answered only if we have all the information. Which we don't and doors have been shut investigating this at the government level.
It would help if the government opened 911 up to an INDEPENDENT, PUBLIC investigation. Without any restrictions. What have they got to lose if they are not involved?
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Yeah and you have avoid my argument showing how the manhattan project doesn't compare all.
After the bomb was detonated was there a need for secrecy about the program then? No. In the case of 911, afterwards many of these people you allege would be in on it but not know fully what they were in on, would know. Many would surely speak out or find a way to anonymously lead investigators, press, other countries etc. to evidence indicating a inside job. So comparing a 911 inside job to the Mahatten project doesn't work here because its not the same.
There is a long list of 911 whistle blowers. Let's start with this person:
Coleen Rowley - When the so-called "20th hijacker" Zaccharias Moussaoui was detained on August 15th, 2001, agents in the Minneapolis FBI field office immediately sought a criminal warrant to search his belongings. Management at the FBI dealing with the request threw up numerous obstacles to the agents, and even withheld information from them, including the now-infamous Phoenix Memo written by an agent in Arizona warning of terrorists training in flight schools for a possible upcoming attack. The request was denied and agents were prevented from searching Moussaoui's laptop, which contained information that would have tipped the FBI off to the 9/11 plot. The Minneapolis field office Chief Counsel, Coleen Rowley, has been very public with her disgust at the conduct of FBI management during the case and its subsequent review, and she has supported causes like NYC CAN which seek to re-open the 9/11 investigation.
http://www.historycommons.org/entity.jsp?entity=coleen_rowley (http://www.historycommons.org/entity.jsp?entity=coleen_rowley)
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Richard Grove, Wall Street Whistleblower
Richard Andrew Grove - In 2000, Richard Andrew Grove was working for Silverstream Software, a software development company specializing in enterprise architecture software. By October of that year he had landed the firm their largest client in the company's history: Marsh & McLennan. After finding evidence that Silverstream was overbilling Marsh by nearly $7 million and being told to keep quiet by both his own management and those he confided to at Marsh, he was fired. After his termination, he was invited to present his evidence at a staff meeting in Marsh's offices where Marsh employees who were suspicious of such transactions themselves were gathered. That meeting was on the 98th floor of the World Trade Center. It was the 11th of September, 2001. And everyone who was in attendance at the meeting died there that day. Grove, who had been late for the meeting, survived. His remarkable story, as well as subsequent events, led him to start piecing together how 9/11 helped financial institutions and insurance companies cover up billions of dollars in fraud by eliminating those who were asking questions about it.
http://tragedyandhope.com/ (http://tragedyandhope.com/)
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J. Michael Springmann - A 20-year veteran of the State Department's Foreign service, J. Michael Springmann served 18 months as the head of the visa section at the U.S. consulate in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia in 1988-89. During that time he repeatedly rejected visa applications from unqualified individuals only to have his decisions overturned by the head of the consulate. When he returned to Washington, he discovered that the Jeddah consulate was being used as a place for funnelling Afghan mujahedeen into the U.S. for training, facilitated by the CIA on behalf of their asset, Osama bin Laden. The Jeddah consulate would be the very office that issued 15 of the alleged 9/11 hijackers' visas to enter the United States. After numerous complaints up the chain of command, Springmann's contract with the State Department was not renewed.
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Robert Wright - In the 1990s, Special Agent Robert Wright of the FBI's Chicago field office spearheaded an investigation into terrorist financing codenamed Vulgar Betrayal. The investigation uncovered information about Yassin Al-Qadi, a terrorist financier who would go on to be designated a global terrorist financier by the U.S. treasury in the wake of 9/11. Vulgar Betrayal led to information about the African embassy bombings in 1998 and resulted in the seizure of $1.4 million of terrorist financing. Despite the investigation's remarkable success, however, Wright was taken off of Vulgar Betrayal in 1999 and reduced to a paper pusher. In 2002, Wright went public with information about how his investigations had been systematically starved for funds, hindered and obstructed by FBI management and revealed that he believes 9/11 could have been prevented if he had been allowed to continue his investigation. The Bureau prevented him from releasing a book about his experience. He was threatened with legal action if he revealed any details about what he had been investigating.
http://vids.rationalveracity.com/videos/960/robert-wright-judicial-watch-briefing (http://vids.rationalveracity.com/videos/960/robert-wright-judicial-watch-briefing)
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J. Michael Springmann - A 20-year veteran of the State Department's Foreign service, J. Michael Springmann served 18 months as the head of the visa section at the U.S. consulate in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia in 1988-89. During that time he repeatedly rejected visa applications from unqualified individuals only to have his decisions overturned by the head of the consulate. When he returned to Washington, he discovered that the Jeddah consulate was being used as a place for funnelling Afghan mujahedeen into the U.S. for training, facilitated by the CIA on behalf of their asset, Osama bin Laden. The Jeddah consulate would be the very office that issued 15 of the alleged 9/11 hijackers' visas to enter the United States. After numerous complaints up the chain of command, Springmann's contract with the State Department was not renewed.
After seeing fast n furious,nothing surprises me.
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Barry Jennings - Barry Jennings was the Deputy Director of Emergency Services for the New York City Housing Department. On the morning of 9/11, he received a phone call informing him that a plane had hit the World Trade Center and asking him to go to the Office of Emergency Management in World Trade Center Building 7. Arriving at the office with New York City Corporation Counsel Michael Hess, the men discovered that the OEM had been abandoned. When they attempted to leave there was a series of explosions inside the building, trapping them in the stairwell. Eventually Jennings and Hess were rescued by firefighters, and as they were leaving World Trade Center 7, they had to step over a number of bodies. Jennings' account contradicts the official government explanation of the collapse of World Trade Center 7 at 5:20 p.m. that day, which stated there were no explosions or casualties in the collapse. Jennings died on August 19, 2008 under extremely suspicious circumstances.
http://a.blip.tv/scripts/flash/stratos.swf?file=http%3A%2F%2Fblip.tv%2Frss%2Fflash%2F1071126&showplayerpath=http%3A%2F%2Fa.blip.tv%2Fscripts%2Fflash%2Fstratos.swf&feedurl=http%3A%2F%2Fiamdylanavery.blip.tv%2Frss%2Fflash&brandname=blip.tv&brandlink=http%3A%2F%2Fblip.tv%2F%3Futm_source%3Dbrandlink&enablejs=true&referrer=http%253A%252F%252Fwww.corbettreport.com%252Farticles%252F20100305_911_whistleblowers.htm&source=3 (http://a.blip.tv/scripts/flash/stratos.swf?file=http%3A%2F%2Fblip.tv%2Frss%2Fflash%2F1071126&showplayerpath=http%3A%2F%2Fa.blip.tv%2Fscripts%2Fflash%2Fstratos.swf&feedurl=http%3A%2F%2Fiamdylanavery.blip.tv%2Frss%2Fflash&brandname=blip.tv&brandlink=http%3A%2F%2Fblip.tv%2F%3Futm_source%3Dbrandlink&enablejs=true&referrer=http%253A%252F%252Fwww.corbettreport.com%252Farticles%252F20100305_911_whistleblowers.htm&source=3)
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A 9/11 explosives whistleblower has just been killed in the Netherlands through car failure. Car failure is a well-established means of assassination. Rather than leap to the conclusion that foul play is not suspected, under the circumstances, I’d prefer to leap to the conclusion that it probably was. Thanks to Roth and Lynda.
Danny Jowenko, Dutch demolition expert and (involuntary) whistle blower on the 9/11 bombings was killed in a one-sided car accident in the village of Serooskerke, The Netherlands, on July 16th. For unknown reasons, his car veered off the road and hit a tree. He was killed instantly.
http://stevebeckow.com/2011/07/911-whistleblower-dies-in-car-accident/ (http://stevebeckow.com/2011/07/911-whistleblower-dies-in-car-accident/)
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Indira Singh - As a risk management consultant for J.P. Morgan in 2001, Indira Singh was tasked with implementing the next generation of risk management software for the firm. Working for one of the largest financial institutions in the world, Singh wanted to choose a reputable software vendor for the task, one with a proven track record of working with the sensitive information of important clients. She solicited a presentation from Ptech, an enterprise architecture software firm whose clients included some of the most sensitive departments in the U.S. government, including the FBI, the Department of Defense, the Treasury, the IRS, the US Navy and the White House. After performing due diligence on the company, Singh discovered that it had been started in part by funds from Yassin Al-Qadi (the same Specially Designated Global Terrorist that Robert Wright's investigation had been focused on). She discovered many other disturbing links between Ptech officers and suspected terrorist organizations. Ptech had been conducting tests on the interoperability of FAA and NORAD computer systems in the event of an emergency on the morning of 9/11. When she tried to bring this information to the FBI in Boston she was told by one agent that she was in a better position to investigate the case than the Bureau was.
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(http://www.nydailynews.com/img/2008/09/04/alg_kenneth.jpg)
After Kenny Johannemann shot himself, relatives found a letter on White House stationery in the one-room apartment he shared only with his cat.
October 31, 2001
Dear Kenny,
We send you our heartfelt thanks and the thanks of a grateful Nation for your selfless efforts in responding to the tragic events of Sept. 11. Your actions in the midst of this national tragedy were truly heroic. Your saving a man who was on fire by dragging him out of an elevator and getting him to an ambulance reflected the best of the American spirit.
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What questions are there in your mind? If it does not conclusively point to a false flag operation, what does it indicate?
It indicates a compex event with certain areas that we the public don't have a full picture of. Such as details of the defense protocols on 911 and who screwed up.
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There is a long list of 911 whistle blowers. Let's start with this person:
Coleen Rowley - When the so-called "20th hijacker" Zaccharias Moussaoui was detained on August 15th, 2001, agents in the Minneapolis FBI field office immediately sought a criminal warrant to search his belongings. Management at the FBI dealing with the request threw up numerous obstacles to the agents, and even withheld information from them, including the now-infamous Phoenix Memo written by an agent in Arizona warning of terrorists training in flight schools for a possible upcoming attack. The request was denied and agents were prevented from searching Moussaoui's laptop, which contained information that would have tipped the FBI off to the 9/11 plot. The Minneapolis field office Chief Counsel, Coleen Rowley, has been very public with her disgust at the conduct of FBI management during the case and its subsequent review, and she has supported causes like NYC CAN which seek to re-open the 9/11 investigation.
http://www.historycommons.org/entity.jsp?entity=coleen_rowley (http://www.historycommons.org/entity.jsp?
entity=coleen_rowley)
Inter agency rivalry at the time was extremely prevalent. That's part of the reason they (the terrorists) succeeded on 911. Combine that with the thousand and thousands of bits of data each department deals with everyday and you have a recipie for what did happen. They would frequently hide stuff from one another. I knew about this way before 911.
But that's not what I am talking about. That story only points to what I have on many occasions theorized as to why there hasn't been another investigation: because it would reveal major incompetency with our intelligence agencies NOT that 911 was planned an executed by us, and stuff like the WTCs were brought down by explosives or the pentagon wasn't hit by a plane. Your story you posted there doesn't point in that direction at all. It points in the direction I said.
Seriously, tell us how it happened piece by piece, step by step, provide your evidence like i have been asking and you will see there would far different sounds from the whistle.
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Inter agency rivalry at the time was extremely prevalent. That's part of the reason they (the terrorists) succeeded on 911. Combine that with the thousand and thousands of bits of data each department deals with everyday and you have a recipie for what did happen. They would frequently hide stuff from one another. I knew about this way before 911.
But that's not what I am talking about. That story only points to what I have on many occasions theorized as to why there hasn't been another investigation: because it would reveal major incompetency with our intelligence agencies NOT that 911 was planned an executed by us, and stuff like the WTCs were brought down by explosives or the pentagon wasn't hit by a plane. Your story you posted there doesn't point in that direction at all. It points in the direction I said.
Seriously, tell us how it happened piece by piece, step by step, provide your evidence like i have been asking and you will see there would far different sounds from the whistle.
No it doesn't. That's what you get from it. That's not what I get from it. It's not about incompetency. It's about sabotage.
Here is evidence in front of you. Zaccharias was detained August 15th 2001. Agents were prevented from searching his laptop. That's an example of a little piece in the big picture. You claim it's incompetency. Preventing an agent from searching someones laptop is sabotage.
Let's face it, there are so many holes and millions are questioning this staged event. One day the truth will come out I don't think they will be able to keep everyone silent for much longer.
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No it doesn't. That's what you get from it. That's not what I get from it. It's not about incompetency. It's about sabotage.
Here is evidence in front of you. Zaccharias was detained August 15th 2001. Agents were prevented from searching his laptop. That's an example of a little piece in the big picture. You claim it's incompetency. Preventing an agent from searching someones laptop is sabotage.
Let's face it, there are so many holes and millions are questioning this staged event. One day the truth will come out I don't think they will be able to keep everyone silent for much longer.
I wasn't claiming incompetency I was claiming interagency rivalry as the reason they couldnt get into his laptop. I was claiming incompetency as one of he many things they are not wanting to go public if another investigation is done. Hoarding evidence, witnesses, information is part of what I mean when I say inter agency rivalry.
And that's of course if that article is accurate and not spun. Which from past experience with deeply researching things like this from CTers is common.
There are not that many real holes when you question them objectively weighing evidence for and against.
That's why it's important to draw a big picture, because without it, you can make things into many shapes and sizes. Which is what truthers tend to do. Draw the picture quad, try it.