I challenge everybody...now.

[tonymctones]

Why do you hate the Lord Jesus Christ so much?

Don't you know that evolution is the work of the devil? You start off believing that evolution crap, next thing you know you're sliding down into a massive lake of fire where Jesus keeps all those who try to think!

Jesus died for your sins. Evolution is a sin. Stop believing in evolution!

Not huge on biblical knowledge but where does it say that evolution is a sin?

[OTHstrong]

* Basic premise 1: You have no clue about the science behind radioactive dating.
* Basic premise 2: You do not have the skill or knowledge to evaluate and understand the science behind radioactive dating.
* Basic premise 3: Going against the studies on radioactive dating, when one has not even read them while satisfying premise 2 makes you an idiot.
* Basic premise 4: Going against the overwhelming majority of experts in this area when you satisfy basic premise 1 + 2 + 3 makes you an idiot, especially when you claim to know the truth with such conviction.
* Basic premise 5: Believing one can use "common sense" to evaluate a complex phenomena one does not have more than a surface understanding of = makes one an idiot

Argument derived from these premises: You satisfy all 5 basic premises, and you claim to know the truth with conviction although the real experts and tons of studies says you're wrong. Thus, you're a fool, and you're wrong.

blah blah blah, What have you said....giberish. If you go against the majority -makes you an idiot? You do realize that in the past the majority of experts said that the sun goes around the earth, the earth is flat, heavier things fall faster then lighter things etc. Wake up.

[loco]

* Basic premise 4: Going against the overwhelming majority of experts in this area when you satisfy basic premise 1 + 2 + 3 makes you an idiot, especially when you claim to know the truth with such conviction.

The overwhelming majority of experts have been wrong before.  Neither Science nor Truth are a democracy. 

[columbusdude82]

The overwhelming majority of experts have been wrong before.  Neither Science nor Truth are a democracy. 

Your best post ever!!!

OneTimeHard, you still haven't responded to my post.

[loco]

Your best post ever!!!

Thank you!

[The Master]

The overwhelming majority of experts have been wrong before.  Neither Science nor Truth are a democracy. 

When the majority of experts have spent decades researching this stuff, and have tons of studies behind it, what do you think is the odds of ONE fool on Getbig with no prior knowledge, nor the intelligence to argument properly, knows the answer while the experts are wrong?

And your statement about science is horseshit. When the overwhelming majority of experts and studies supports something, the chance of it being correct is pretty high. Anomalies and exceptions occurs, but this does not change the facts that overwhelming evidence = statistically often the way to a good approximation of the truth.  Add in the fact that when the opposition is an uneducated jerk with the debating power of a 12 year old, and there ain't much to it

blah blah blah, What have you said....giberish. If you go against the majority -makes you an idiot? You do realize that in the past the majority of experts said that the sun goes around the earth, the earth is flat, heavier things fall faster then lighter things etc. Wake up.

If you go against the majority when the majority has the knowledge and proof aquired through a systematic way of experimentation, while you have nothing, then yes. You might not believe in gravity either, even though the majority accepts the "theory" (and the majority = experts enough to understand the basic function of gravity). Go ahead and see if you are right.

Science is about validating hypothesis through experiments. You refer to "experts" from a time when the scientific method was NOT used. The hypothetic deductive method (or similar systems) in science was not properly and systematically used until the scientific revolution in the 1600s. You refer to "experts" as non - scientists, when we are debating something SCIENTIFIC here.

My god, did you even pass highschool? 

You also did not counterargument a single premise Debussey made. In a discussion, people make arguments and counter arguments. Did you not learn this in kindergarden? Thus, you do not even wish to have a proper debate. Did your priest teach you your intelligent ways of conducting yourself in a rational discussion? 

[Deicide]

When the majority of experts have spent decades researching this stuff, and have tons of studies behind it, what do you think is the odds of ONE fool on Getbig with no prior knowledge, nor the intelligence to argument properly, knows the answer while the experts are wrong?

And your statement about science is horseshit. When the overwhelming majority of experts and studies supports something, the chance of it being correct is pretty high. Anomalies and exceptions occurs, but this does not change the facts that overwhelming evidence = statistically often the way to a good approximation of the truth.  Add in the fact that when the opposition is an uneducated jerk with the debating power of a 12 year old, and there ain't much to it

If you go against the majority when the majority has the knowledge and proof aquired through a systematic way of experimentation, while you have nothing, then yes. You might not believe in gravity either, even though the majority accepts the "theory" (and the majority = experts enough to understand the basic function of gravity). Go ahead and see if you are right.

Science is about validating hypothesis through experiments. You refer to "experts" from a time when the scientific method was NOT used. The hypothetic deductive method (or similar systems) in science was not properly and systematically used until the scientific revolution in the 1600s. You refer to "experts" as non - scientists, when we are debating something SCIENTIFIC here.

My god, did you even pass highschool? 

You also did not counterargument a single premise Debussey made. In a discussion, people make arguments and counter arguments. Did you not learn this in kindergarden? Thus, you do not even wish to have a proper debate. Did your priest teach you your intelligent ways of conducting yourself in a rational discussion? 

Master, you have spoken!

All bow and kneel before the might of Debussey, the Mad Lord and Master!

[columbusdude82]

Debussey is DA MAN!!!

OneTimeHard, for real man, you are only making a fool of yourself and making Bible-believing Christians look dumb and ignorant!

[OTHstrong]

This challenge is now over since nobody could step up to the plate

Decker
MMC78
Columbusdude82
Toneymctones
Trapezkerl
I ETA PI
usmokepole
beatmaster
debussey DF

You said I am making a fool out of myself?.............I would say I made a fool out of every single one of you. I was outnumbered 9 to 1 and not one of you said anything intelligent. All you came up with was name calling and started making fun, which I predicted by the way.

If you guys are so smart why to you guys come on a religious board and try to ruin peoples faith. Does this turn you on? Stating your point of view is one thing, but actually telling Christians there stupid for what they believe is scooping to a low level. I feel sorry for you guys.

[columbusdude82]

If you guys are so smart why to you guys come on a religious board and try to ruin peoples faith. Does this turn you on? Stating your point of view is one thing, but actually telling Christians there stupid for what they believe is scooping to a low level. I feel sorry for you guys.

Ah, so that's the whole point you're making... You feel threatened in your religious faith...

If your faith is threatened by postings on an Internet forum, then I pity the god who has to listen to your prayers...

[Deicide]

This challenge is now over since nobody could step up to the plate

Decker
MMC78
Columbusdude82
Toneymctones
Trapezkerl
I ETA PI
usmokepole
beatmaster
debussey DF

You said I am making a fool out of myself?.............I would say I made a fool out of every single one of you. I was outnumbered 9 to 1 and not one of you said anything intelligent. All you came up with was name calling and started making fun, which I predicted by the way.

If you guys are so smart why to you guys come on a religious board and try to ruin peoples faith. Does this turn you on? Stating your point of view is one thing, but actually telling Christians there stupid for what they believe is scooping to a low level. I feel sorry for you guys.

Kneel before your god, Debussey, heretic! 

Serve no one but Debussey. Fear him always and make others fear him even more than you do. The Mad Lord always strikes down those who stand against it in the end. Defy the Mad Lord and die—or in death find loyalty to him, for he shall compel it. Submit to the word of the Mad Lord as uttered by his ranking clergy, since true power can only be gained through service to him. Spread the dark fear of Debussey. It is the doom of those who do not follow him to let power slip through their hands. Those who cross the Mad Lord meet their dooms earlier and more harshly than those who worship other deities.

[Necrosis]

This challenge is now over since nobody could step up to the plate

Decker
MMC78
Columbusdude82
Toneymctones
Trapezkerl
I ETA PI
usmokepole
beatmaster
debussey DF

You said I am making a fool out of myself?.............I would say I made a fool out of every single one of you. I was outnumbered 9 to 1 and not one of you said anything intelligent. All you came up with was name calling and started making fun, which I predicted by the way.

If you guys are so smart why to you guys come on a religious board and try to ruin peoples faith. Does this turn you on? Stating your point of view is one thing, but actually telling Christians there stupid for what they believe is scooping to a low level. I feel sorry for you guys.

BWHAHAHA.


gayer then heath ledger being with jesus.

[MMC78]

If you guys are so smart why to you guys come on a religious board and try to ruin peoples faith. Does this turn you on? Stating your point of view is one thing, but actually telling Christians there stupid for what they believe is scooping to a low level. I feel sorry for you guys.

I can't argue evolution with someone who believes that the earth is 6000 years old.  First we have to argue why you believe the earth is only 6000 years old.

I want you to prove to that this is the case.  You are going against well established science the burden of proof is on you.

[tonymctones]

This challenge is now over since nobody could step up to the plate

Decker
MMC78
Columbusdude82
Toneymctones
Trapezkerl
I ETA PI
usmokepole
beatmaster
debussey DF

You said I am making a fool out of myself?.............I would say I made a fool out of every single one of you. I was outnumbered 9 to 1 and not one of you said anything intelligent. All you came up with was name calling and started making fun, which I predicted by the way.

If you guys are so smart why to you guys come on a religious board and try to ruin peoples faith. Does this turn you on? Stating your point of view is one thing, but actually telling Christians there stupid for what they believe is scooping to a low level. I feel sorry for you guys.

first of its "stooping" to a low level, and I have insulted no one. I come to this board to perhaps help me answer questions about my own faith, and i believe that even the non christians play a role in this. To ignore and dismiss theories without understanding them is fairly ignorant. After all an open mind is needed to believe in Jesus as well.

[beatmaster]

This challenge is now over since nobody could step up to the plate

Decker
MMC78
Columbusdude82
Toneymctones
Trapezkerl
I ETA PI
usmokepole
beatmaster
debussey DF

You said I am making a fool out of myself?.............I would say I made a fool out of every single one of you. I was outnumbered 9 to 1 and not one of you said anything intelligent. All you came up with was name calling and started making fun, which I predicted by the way.

If you guys are so smart why to you guys come on a religious board and try to ruin peoples faith. Does this turn you on? Stating your point of view is one thing, but actually telling Christians there stupid for what they believe is scooping to a low level. I feel sorry for you guys.

there is no answer good enough for you, any one would have not work, because it's not in your book!
and when we ask for proof of your god you also have nothing!

ok, we lost...

interesting text here! (not mine)

I am going to assume that you are an educated Christian. You have a college degree, and you have been trained to think logically and rationally about the world we live in. For example, you might be:

- An Engineer or Scientist
- A Doctor, Pharmacist or Nurse
- A Teacher
- A Manager or administrator
- A Government employee
- A Business owner
- An Account rep
- An Executive
- A Lawyer
- An Accountant
- A person working in the Financial sector or Human resources
- An Architect or Designer
- A Software developer
In other words, you are a smart person. You know how the world works, and you know how to think critically.
If you are an educated Christian, have you ever thought about using your college education to think about your faith? Your life and your career demand that you behave and act rationally. Let's apply your critical thinking skills as we discuss 10 simple questions about your religion.

Here is an example of the kind of thing I am talking about: As a Christian, you believe in the power of prayer. According to a recent poll (http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=42061), 3 out of 4 doctors believe that God is performing medical miracles on earth right now. Most Christians believe that God is curing cancers, healing diseases, reversing the effects of poisons and so on.

So here is question #1: Why won't God heal amputees?

It's a simple question, isn't it? We all know that amputated legs do not spontaneously regenerate in response to prayer. Amputees get no miracles from God.

If you are an intelligent person, you have to admit that it's an interesting question On the one hand, you believe that God answers prayers and performs miracles. On the other hand, you know that God completely ignores amputees when they pray for miracles.

How do you deal with this discrepancy? As an intelligent person, you have to deal with it, because it makes no sense. In order to handle it, notice that you have to create some kind of rationalization. You have to invent an excuse on God's behalf to explain this strange fact of life. You might say, "well, God must have some kind of special plan for amputees." So you invent your excuse, whatever it is, and then you stop thinking about it because it is uncomfortable.

Here is another example. As a Christian, you believe that God cares about you and answers your prayers.

So the second question is: Why are there so many starving people in our world?

Look out at our world and notice that millions of children are dying of starvation. It really is horrific. Why would God be worried about you getting a raise, while at the same time ignoring the prayers of these desperate, innocent little children? It really doesn't make any sense, does it? Why would a loving god do this?

To explain it, you have to come up with some sort of very strange excuse for God. Like, "God wants these children to suffer and die for some divine, mysterious reason." Then you push it out of your mind because it absolutely does not fit with your view of a loving, caring God.

Third question: Why does God demand the death of so many innocent people in the Bible? Look up these verses:

- Exodus 35:2 – God demands that we kill everyone who works on the Sabbath day.
- Deuteronomy 21:18-21 – God demands that we kill disobedient teenagers.

- Leviticus 20:13 – God demands the death of homosexuals.

- Deuteronomy 22:13-21 – God demands that we kill girls who are not virgins when they marry.

And so on… There are lots of verses like these.
It doesn't make any sense, does it? Why would a loving God want us to murder our fellow human beings over such trivial matters? Just because you work on the wrong day of the week, you must die? That makes no sense, does it? In fact, if you think about it, you realize that it is insane. So you create some kind of rationalization to explain these verses.

Question #4: Why does the Bible contain so much anti-scientific nonsense? You have a college degree, so you know what I'm talking about. You know how science works. You happily use the products of science every day: your car, your cell phone, your microwave oven, your TV, your computer. These are all products of the scientific process. You know that science is incredibly important to our economy and to our lives.

But there is a problem. As an educated person you know that the Bible contains all sorts of information that is total nonsense from a scientific perspective.

- God did not create the world in 6 days 6,000 years ago like the Bible says.
- There was never a worldwide flood that covered Mt. Everest like the Bible says.

- Jonah did not live inside a fish's stomach for three days like the Bible says.

- God did not create Adam from a handful of dust like the Bible says.

These stories are all nonsense. Why would an all-knowing God write nonsense? It makes no sense, does it? So you create some type of very strange excuse to try to explain why the Bible contains total nonsense.
Question #5: Why is God such a huge proponent of slavery in the Bible? Look up these Bible verses:

- Exodus 21:20-21 – God says that it is OK to own slaves, and it is also OK to beat them.
- Colossians 3:22-24 – Slaves need to obey their masters.

- Ephesians 6:5 – Slaves need to obey their masters just as they would obey Christ.

- 1 Peter 2:18 – Slaves need to obey their masters, even if their masters are harsh .

And so on…
And why do all intelligent people abhor slavery and make it completely illegal? You have to come up with some kind of weird rationalization to explain it.

Question #6: Why do bad things happen to good people? That makes no sense. You have created an exotic excuse on God's behalf to rationalize it.

Question #7: Why didn't any of Jesus' miracles in the Bible leave behind any evidence? It's very strange, isn't it? You have created an excuse to rationalize it.

Question #8: How do we explain the fact that Jesus has never appeared to you? Jesus is all-powerful and timeless, but if you pray for Jesus to appear, nothing happens. You have to create a weird rationalization to deal with this discrepancy.

Question #9 – Why would Jesus want you to eat his body and drink his blood? It sounds totally grotesque, doesn't it? Why would al all-powerful God want you to do something that, in any other context, sounds like a disgusting, cannibalistic, satanic ritual?

And finally, Question #10 – Why do Christians get divorced at the same rate as non-Christians? Christians get married in front of God and their Christian friends, all of whom are praying to God for the marriage to succeed. And then they say, "What God has put together, let no man put asunder." God is all-powerful, so if God has put two people together that should seal the deal, right? Yet Christians get divorced at the same rate as everyone else. To explain this, you have to create some convoluted rationalization.

So, we have looked at 10 fascinating questions. In order to believe in God, you have had to create all sorts of strange rationalizations and excuses. If you are an intelligent, college-educated person, all of these excuses and rationalizations probably make you uncomfortable. If you think about it honestly, using the critical thinking skills that you learned in college, you have to admit that your answers to these questions make no sense at all.

Now, let me show you something remarkable. What if you instead assume that God is imaginary? A funny thing happens: the answers to every one of these questions make complete sense. Just look at all ten questions as an intelligent person:

1) Why won't God heal amputees? Because God is imaginary, and he doesn't answer any prayers. Every "answered prayer" is actually a coincidence. All scientific evidence supports this conclusion.
2) Why are there so many starving people in our world? Because God is imaginary, and he is therefore unable to answer their prayers.

3) Why does God demand the death of so many innocent people in the Bible? Because God is imaginary, and the Bible was written by ridiculous, ruthless men rather than any sort of loving being.

4) Why does the Bible contain so much anti-scientific nonsense? Ditto. Primitive men wrote the bible, not an all-knowing being.

5) Why is God such a huge proponent of slavery? Ditto.

6) Why do bad things happen to good people? Because God is imaginary and bad things happen at the same statistical rates to everyone.

7) Why didn't any of Jesus' miracles in the Bible leave behind any evidence? Because God is imaginary, and Jesus' miracles are myths.

How do we explain the fact that Jesus has never appeared to you? Because God is imaginary.

9) Why would Jesus want you to eat his body and drink his blood? Because God is imaginary, and this bizarre ritual came from a pagan religion.

10) Why do Christians get divorced at the same rate as non-Christians? Because God is imaginary.

Do you see what has happened here? When we assume that God exists, the answers to these ten questions make absolutely no sense. But if we assume that God is imaginary, our world makes complete sense.
It's interesting, isn't it? Actually, it's more than interesting – it is incredibly important.

Our world only makes sense when we understand that God is imaginary.

This is how intelligent, rational people know that God is imaginary.

When you use your brain, and when you think logically about your religious faith, you can reach only one possible conclusion: the "god" that you have heard about since you were an infant is completely imaginary. You have to willfully discard rationality, and accept hundreds of bizarre rationalizations to believe in your "god."

[The Master]

This challenge is now over since nobody could step up to the plate

Decker
MMC78
Columbusdude82
Toneymctones
Trapezkerl
I ETA PI
usmokepole
beatmaster
debussey DF

You said I am making a fool out of myself?.............I would say I made a fool out of every single one of you. I was outnumbered 9 to 1 and not one of you said anything intelligent. All you came up with was name calling and started making fun, which I predicted by the way.

If you guys are so smart why to you guys come on a religious board and try to ruin peoples faith. Does this turn you on? Stating your point of view is one thing, but actually telling Christians there stupid for what they believe is scooping to a low level. I feel sorry for you guys.

You = retarded or a gimmick account. Nobody can be this stupid.

If you can't handle rational sound objections to the obvious errors in your faith even after asking for them, then you are neither confident in your faith nor somebody capable of living in a modern society. The same applies for your lacking arguments.

Keep living in your fantasy world homo

[loco]

When the majority of experts have spent decades researching this stuff, and have tons of studies behind it, what do you think is the odds of ONE fool on Getbig with no prior knowledge, nor the intelligence to argument properly, knows the answer while the experts are wrong?

And your statement about science is horseshit. When the overwhelming majority of experts and studies supports something, the chance of it being correct is pretty high. Anomalies and exceptions occurs, but this does not change the facts that overwhelming evidence = statistically often the way to a good approximation of the truth.  Add in the fact that when the opposition is an uneducated jerk with the debating power of a 12 year old, and there ain't much to it

If you go against the majority when the majority has the knowledge and proof aquired through a systematic way of experimentation, while you have nothing, then yes. You might not believe in gravity either, even though the majority accepts the "theory" (and the majority = experts enough to understand the basic function of gravity). Go ahead and see if you are right.

Debussey,
Of course the opinion of the overwhelming majority of experts matters.

Nevertheless, it is neither intelligent nor scientific to argue that all of us should accept a theory just because the overwhelming majority of experts accept it.  The overwhelming majority of experts have been wrong before, and they can be and they will be wrong again. 

Science is not human, but scientists and experts are fallible humans.  The scientific method is not perfect, and even if it was perfect, it is conducted by fallible humans.

As for gravity, that is different.  Gravity is observed, tested and accepted by all of us every day.  That is by all of us and not just by the overwhelming majority of experts.

[columbusdude82]

loco, you have remained strangely silent. Please tell us what your opinions are of Mr OneTimeHard's scientific breakthroughs.

For your convenience, I have a made a thread celebrating Mr Hard's genius and listing some of his most monumental discoveries!

[Decker]

This challenge is now over since nobody could step up to the plate

Decker
MMC78
Columbusdude82
Toneymctones
Trapezkerl
I ETA PI
usmokepole
beatmaster
debussey DF

You said I am making a fool out of myself?.............I would say I made a fool out of every single one of you. I was outnumbered 9 to 1 and not one of you said anything intelligent. All you came up with was name calling and started making fun, which I predicted by the way.

If you guys are so smart why to you guys come on a religious board and try to ruin peoples faith. Does this turn you on? Stating your point of view is one thing, but actually telling Christians there stupid for what they believe is scooping to a low level. I feel sorry for you guys.

I thought I did step up to the plate.  I showed you that your dismissal of radioactive dating was an error on your part.

You made a fool out of all of us?  How?  By reiterating your mistaken understanding of radioactive dating....is that how?

Is your purpose to learn something or make fools of your opponents?

You are not stupid b/c you are a christian. 

You are stupid b/c you insulate your mind with creationist blather that has been debunked time and again.

You give Christians a bad name. 

[loco]

loco, you have remained strangely silent. Please tell us what your opinions are of Mr OneTimeHard's scientific breakthroughs.

For your convenience, I have a made a thread celebrating Mr Hard's genius and listing some of his most monumental discoveries!

I've been busy at work.

My opinions of OneTimeHard is that he is a good person and a good Christian.  He has been made fun of, insulted and ridiculed, yet he has not insulted anybody back and he seems to have kept his cool. 

I don't believe that he is giving us Christians a bad name because he has kept a good attitude.  Christianity is not about how much you know, but about how much you care.

[OzmO]

I've been busy at work.

My opinions of OneTimeHard is that he is a good person and a good Christian.  He has been made fun of, insulted and ridiculed, yet he has not insulted anybody back and he seems to have kept his cool. 

I don't believe that he is giving us Christians a bad name because he has kept a good attitude.  Christianity is not about how much you know, but about how much you care.

Nicely said loco.   

[loco]

Nicely said loco.   

Thanks OzmO!

[Necrosis]

I've been busy at work.

My opinions of OneTimeHard is that he is a good person and a good Christian.  He has been made fun of, insulted and ridiculed, yet he has not insulted anybody back and he seems to have kept his cool. 

I don't believe that he is giving us Christians a bad name because he has kept a good attitude.  Christianity is not about how much you know, but about how much you care.

he is ignorant and is making baseless claims. he is also basing your god on the disbelief of evolution.

[Decker]

I've been busy at work.

My opinions of OneTimeHard is that he is a good person and a good Christian.  He has been made fun of, insulted and ridiculed, yet he has not insulted anybody back and he seems to have kept his cool. 

I don't believe that he is giving us Christians a bad name because he has kept a good attitude.  Christianity is not about how much you know, but about how much you care.

His attitude is horrible.  He acts like a recalcitrant child.

His arrogance is certainly not in the Christian tradition.

[OzmO]

"Either or" arguments lead to psuedo-truth.

Why can't Evolution and God exist?

Because it doesn't fit into someone's interpretation of the Bible?