A RECENT MEMBERS Consultation with LEE HANEY

[The True Adonis]

Doesn't take a genius such as yourself to figure it out. I suppose that once you hit "post" you just completely forget what you have written.

I posted someone elses post after they talked with Lee Haney.

Are you stupid or just plain dumb?

[TooPowerful4u]

ADONIS.... why do you advocate taking advice from the most GENETICLY GIFTED.  It should be from someone who WASNT so gifted and made it happen anyway!  Thats who you take advice from.  The ones who know how to make the most of a situation.

[The True Adonis]

ADONIS.... why do you advocate taking advice from the most GENETICLY GIFTED.  It should be from someone who WASNT so gifted and made it happen anyway!  Thats who you take advice from.  The ones who know how to make the most of a situation.

That makes no sense.  There is NO SUCH THING as a genetic superior when it comes to Nutrition.  The same thing works for everyone.

[YoungBlood]

I posted someone elses post after they talked with Lee Haney.

Are you stupid or just plain dumb?

You were the one that made the color change in the post about only needing your lean mass worth of protein. Did you not?

[Devon97]

Okay, so then he gets down to business. A few myths Lee completely debunked:

1) fruit is absolutely fine. Lee advocates lots of pineapple and pears.
2) 1 gram of protein for every pound of "lean" body mass - not for every pound you weigh.
3) He has no use for creatine. He said it does nothing but volumize cells and cause water retention
4) He advocates Glutamine
5) Hit every bodypart twice per week - not once. He put me on a 3 on, 1 off training schedule



lol...so he debunked those myths?


i agree with the use of glutamine....other than that i would consider it a waste of 50 bucks.

although haney is a legend so talkin to him about his bodybuilding career for 30mins would be pretty cool.

i would leave the training n nutrition part to the experts.

EXACTLY! These clowns like rooster and pumpster and adonis think this guy is some sort of a "guru" on nutrition because he is 8 x Mr O

[Devon97]

That makes no sense.  There is NO SUCH THING as a genetic superior when it comes to Nutrition.  The same thing works for everyone.

LOL U HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING!

[Mr. Intenseone]

That makes no sense.  There is NO SUCH THING as a genetic superior when it comes to Nutrition.  The same thing works for everyone.

WTF do you mean the same thing works for everyone? You're joking right? lol

[benjamin pearson]

No.  You do not need to supplement a regular diet at all.

There was a recent study that implicates Multi-Vitamins with various health problems and a Greater Death Risk, notably a shortening of lifespan.  Further studies are coming as a result.  Seems to be pretty interesting.


Vitamin supplements linked to early death

28th February 2007, 9:45 WST


 

  
Millions of people who take antioxidant supplements such as beta carotene and vitamins A and E may be putting their lives at risk rather than improving their health, according to a major review.
  
And a separate study has warned using supplements and complementary medicines to boost fertility may have the opposite effect.
  
Danish researchers suspect that by eliminating harmful free radicals in the body, anti-oxidants might interfere with essential defensive mechanisms and cause toxic reactions.
  
Writing in the Journal of the American Medical Association, doctors from Copenhagen University Hospital warn their findings contradict claims that anti-oxidant supplements improve health.
  
Their analysis of several studies into the effects of the supplements found vitamin A products increased the risk of death 16 per cent, while beta carotene and vitamin E increased the risk of death by 7 per cent and 4 per cent respectively.
  
But they said the jury was still out on whether vitamin C had a positive or negative effect on life expectancy
  
“Considering that 80-160 million people in North America and Europe consume these supplements, the public health consequences may be substantial,” the researchers warned. “Beta carotene, vitamin A and vitamin E, given singly or combined with other anti-oxidant supplements significantly increase mortality.”
  
Complementary Healthcare Council executive director Tony Lewis said it would review the findings but it appeared the research was based on high-level dosages not allowed in Australia.
  
“In Australia these products are regulated as medicines, so there are tight controls. The findings might not have the same relevance for us as for others,” he said.
  
In another shock finding, Australian fertility experts believe couples may actually be reducing their chances of having a baby by taking multivitamins and herbs.
  
Writing in the Australian and New Zealand Journal of Obstetrics and Gynaecology, they warn couples trying to have a baby to make sure they tell their doctor if they are taking alternative remedies because they can reduce the chances of conceiving.
  
Researcher Marcin Stankiewicz, from the Flinders Medical Centre, said he did not want to deter couples from using alternative therapies but it was important to document their use so doctors could study the effects on conception.
  
Dr Roger Hart, a reproductive medicine specialist at the University of WA and medical director of the Fertility Specialists of WA, said while the value of taking folate before conception to prevent birth defects was well known, the benefits of other complementary medicines remained unproved.

interesting read...... thanks

[TooPowerful4u]

That makes no sense.  There is NO SUCH THING as a genetic superior when it comes to Nutrition.  The same thing works for everyone.

Not true. Motabolisms are different for EVERYONE.  I can eat like a HORSE n not work out for 6 months (done it) and still have abs.  I know people who eat 1/4 of what i do, bust their asses in the gym... and look decent (yes i was clean too smartass).  I also know people who bulk up 10x faster than me on half the food.  Your buddy Mo who im very good friends with for example hit 280 while i was struggling for 230 eating half the food i do due to his heavy work schedule. He would miss half his meals too and barely sleep.  We workout out together so training wasnt different, he just grows better.  He wasnt on alot of shit either, same as me as we both got it together. GENETICS matter bro. 

Learn from those who busted their asses to get there, not the ones who got there without trying (Dillet, Heathe, Haney etc..)  They could eat grass n mow lawns n grow

[The True Adonis]

Not true. Motabolisms are different for EVERYONE.  I can eat like a HORSE n not work out for 6 months (done it) and still have abs.  I know people who eat 1/4 of what i do, bust their asses in the gym... and look decent (yes i was clean too smartass).  I also know people who bulk up 10x faster than me on half the food.  Your buddy Mo who im very good friends with for example hit 280 while i was struggling for 230 eating half the food i do due to his heavy work schedule. He would miss half his meals too and barely sleep.  We workout out together so training wasnt different, he just grows better.  He wasnt on alot of shit either, same as me as we both got it together. GENETICS matter bro. 

Learn from those who busted their asses to get there, not the ones who got there without trying (Dillet, Heathe, Haney etc..)  They could eat grass n mow lawns n grow

Here is Layne Norton in AGREEMENT with what I stated:

March 20th, 2007, 08:42 AM    #45 
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If you are starting off with a huge amount of adipose tissue, I think the 2000 cals is a place to start regardless of food.

Once you get to a place where you want to start really defining and you are moving towards single digit bf% and maintaining/building muscle, I think what you are talking about will really come into play.

not really, thermodynamics hold true for everyone
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meaning that what will work best for someone who is lean in terms of macronutrient breakdown for losing bodyfat will also work well for you
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[TheAnimal]

Here is Layne Norton in AGREEMENT with what I stated:

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meaning that what will work best for someone who is lean in terms of macronutrient breakdown for losing bodyfat will also work well for you
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But a calorie is a calorie!   

[The True Adonis]

But a calorie is a calorie!   

He agrees with that as well.

[TooPowerful4u]

Here is Layne Norton in AGREEMENT with what I stated:

March 20th, 2007, 08:42 AM    #45 
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Originally Posted by The_Myth 
If you are starting off with a huge amount of adipose tissue, I think the 2000 cals is a place to start regardless of food.

Once you get to a place where you want to start really defining and you are moving towards single digit bf% and maintaining/building muscle, I think what you are talking about will really come into play.

not really, thermodynamics hold true for everyone
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March 20th, 2007, 02:13 PM    #47 
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meaning that what will work best for someone who is lean in terms of macronutrient breakdown for losing bodyfat will also work well for you
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who has he trained besides himself that has proven this?  He studies books and studies.  "said study showed an 30% increase in 1RM for single leg leg presses in 90yr old women and 2yr old lab rats".  MOST OF THESE STUDIES CANNOT BE APPLIED TO US.  WE ARE NOT 90yr old women or lab rats!  In THEORY it works, its not factual.  If you want EXPERIENCE... i could bring in 100s of people who will tell you that you are dead wrong based on EXPERIENCE....BODYBUILDE RS.... ya know the people we are trying to apply this to?  

[The True Adonis]

who has he trained besides himself that has proven this?  He studies books and studies.  "said study showed an 30% increase in 1RM for single leg leg presses in 90yr old women and 2yr old lab rats".  MOST OF THESE STUDIES CANNOT BE APPLIED TO US.  WE ARE NOT 90yr old women or lab rats!  In THEORY it works, its not factual.  If you want EXPERIENCE... i could bring in 100s of people who will tell you that you are dead wrong based on EXPERIENCE....BODYBUILDE RS.... ya know the people we are trying to apply this to?  

Bodybuilders are humans.  They are not made of anything different. They are not of a different genetic makeup.  They are Homo Sapiens.

[The Squadfather]

Bodybuilders are humans.  They are not made of anything different. They are not of a different genetic makeup.  They are Homo Sapiens.

exactly.

[TooPowerful4u]

Bodybuilders are humans.  They are not made of anything different. They are not of a different genetic makeup.  They are Homo Sapiens.

I was regarding bodybuilders as far as GOALS... not makeup.  We train for different goals than the average person.  For the average person... yes a calorie is a calorie. etc... but for us every inch counts, every macro counts... diet down against me end of this year on YOUR diet (post it specificly and show RECEIPTS from McDonalds as you say to PROVE it with dates) and i will post my diet.  See who wins?

[TheAnimal]

Human variation undoubtly exists - a proclamation supported by the workings of your idol Richard Dawkins. This sort of egalitarian thought lead to social disasters such as communism.

[pumpster]

Bodybuilders are humans.  They are not made of anything different. They are not of a different genetic makeup.  They are Homo Sapiens.

Brilliant

[The True Adonis]

Human variation undoubtly exists - a proclamation supported by the workings of your idol Richard Dawkins. This sort of egalitarian thought lead to social disasters such as communism.

Not very much at all.

[natural al]

So if you are reading this correctly, because a lot of you fail to comprehend simple things, Lee Haney RECOMMENDS
This PARALLELS what Ellington Darden advocate as far as protein consumption and falls PERFECTLY with the RDA,DRI amounts for Protein.

Very good info from Lee Haney here.

fixed that for ya.

[TooPowerful4u]

Not very much at all.

decline my challange?  take it as a friendly challange, not hostile.  For fun and science and bodybuilding.  

[The True Adonis]

I was regarding bodybuilders as far as GOALS... not makeup.  We train for different goals than the average person.  For the average person... yes a calorie is a calorie. etc... but for us every inch counts, every macro counts... diet down against me end of this year on YOUR diet (post it specificly and show RECEIPTS from McDonalds as you say to PROVE it with dates) and i will post my diet.  See who wins?

You use or have used drugs.
I eat whatever I want.
I will(am) be leaner than you though with about 3-4 lbs more muscle than I had last year.

[swilkins1984]

3 years ago i was in atlanta and trained at haney's gym, the animal kingdom.  He was there about to train himself, introduced myself, talked a few minutes and he asked what i was training and i told him chest and triceps.  He said 'well come on, lets train together'.

best hour and half in my life, he is over 50 and dear god he can still train like an animal.
I proudly wear my I TRAINED WITH LEE t-shirt a couple times a week when i trained because i actually trained with the 8 time olympia beast!

Actually today he is 47...

[TooPowerful4u]

You use or have used drugs.
I eat whatever I want.
I will(am) be leaner than you though with about 3-4 lbs more muscle than I had last year.

Your point?  Your superior knowledge should outdo me.  Last time i competed i was leaner than you have ever been... and i did not do any cardio and barely used any fat burners.  As i said.... we are not talking physiques or muscle mass... simply who is leaner.... up for it?

[MikeThaMachine]

Who the f*** cares, from an know-all 16 year old with 6 months of training? LOL

Yeah one day I hope to make it over 16 as well as get over 6 months of training, I have been stuck in my rut for a while now