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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Steroids Info & Hardcore => Topic started by: Big Chiro Flex on October 06, 2013, 10:07:36 PM
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Even @ 300mgs a week. No lethargy like you can get from other AAS. Wake up in the morning like I've already had a cup of coffee 8)
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I get that from Tren! ;D
Glad you are getting some positive benefits.
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I dit a 15 week cykle of eq 5-600mg a week in the summer. First tile i ever tried ew and it was the same effect on me...i def will run a testo eq and tren cykle next spring. Its now one of y favorit steroid
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How long have you been on eq chiro? Aftee 7 weeks or so my veins exploded like never before. At 16% bf it was like when im at 9-10
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How long have you been on eq chiro? Aftee 7 weeks or so my veins exploded like never before. At 16% bf it was like when im at 9-10
Nice! I notice the increased vascularity as well!
Week 6 now. But I started at 100mgs and bumped up very slowly just so I could really gauge the effectiveness.
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I don't know if I'd compare it to a stimulant but it does seem to make cardio a lot easier
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I don't know if I'd compare it to a stimulant but it does seem to make cardio a lot easier
yes my stamina sucks usually but on eq it was 100times better, i didnt even get tired after my usual workout
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Nice! I notice the increased vascularity as well!
Week 6 now. But I started at 100mgs and bumped up very slowly just so I could really gauge the effectiveness.
shit thats a low dose, i dont think i would go under 400 atleast. but thats just me. how long are you running it?
next time im going to do eq i think i will do 1gram per week
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shit thats a low dose, i dont think i would go under 400 atleast. but thats just me. how long are you running it?
next time im going to do eq i think i will do 1gram per week
I know it's very low. But I'm in no rush with the AAS....I like trying everything low dose at first. I hear too many horror stories.
*this was on top of my test base of 500mgs/week as well, so I'm still at 800mgs a week total now.
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I don't know if I'd compare it to a stimulant but it does seem to make cardio a lot easier
Well, they did create it for cheating horsies you know...
Any increase in appetite at that dose chiro?
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Well, they did create for cheating horsies you know...
Any increase in appetite at that dose chiro?
That's a weird thing....nothing crazy. Only my second cycle (im a rookie i know) but 500test/300deca for my first seemed to increase my hunger the same amount. Maybe higher dose EQ is when guys start really noticing the hunger?
I was WAY bloatier for the first cycle though. And I felt lethargic and tired all the time. This cycle is much much drier. But the wired feeling I have all day right now I NEVED has on test/deca.
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That's a weird thing....nothing crazy. Only my second cycle (im a rookie i know) but 500test/300deca for my first seemed to increase my hunger the same amount. Maybe higher dose EQ is when guys start really noticing the hunger?
I was WAY bloatier for the first cycle though. And I felt lethargic and tired all the time. This cycle is much much drier. But the wired feeling I have all day right now I NEVED has on test/deca.
The lethargy could've been from an increase in prolactin. Just to give you a rough idea of what that is, its whats released by the body after orgasm. Don't know about you but I don't feel like doing much after busting a nut. ;D
Nandrolone made me hungrier than a female on her third trimester btw...eq I've yet to try but what you're saying about the increase energy makes me want some in hopes I get the same effect.
Crazy bloat from deca here too....had to have a super strict diet when running that stuff.
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nice avatar btw ;D
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The lethargy could've been from an increase in prolactin. Just to give you a rough idea of what that is, its whats released by the body after orgasm. Don't know about you but I don't feel like doing much after busting a nut. ;D
Nandrolone made me hungrier than a female on her third trimester btw...eq I've yet to try but what you're saying about the increase energy makes me want some in hopes I get the same effect.
Crazy bloat from deca here too....had to have a super strict diet when running that stuff.
I didn't consider the prolactin being the cause....hmm that's a good point.
I was taking some low dose Prami for it and absolutely hated it. Felt shitty at night every time I took it and my sleep was awful every night of my cycle.
I loved how my joints felt though!!!! My joints don't feel that much better than being natty on this cycle.
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Here's another weird thing!
I'd love to hear an explanation for this one.
My balls atrophied a fair amount on the first.
This cycle, hardly ANY atrophy.
Wtf?!?!
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I didn't consider the prolactin being the cause....hmm that's a good point.
I was taking some low dose Prami for it and absolutely hated it. Felt shitty at night every time I took it and my sleep was awful every night of my cycle.
I loved how my joints felt though!!!! My joints don't feel that much better than being natty on this cycle.
I haven't tried prami but maybe that could've been the cause of the lethargy itself. I hate ancillaries bro that stuff probably cause worse sides than the gear itself lol.
Were you stronger with the nandrolone too?? stuff is great for lifting...
Here's another weird thing!
I'd love to hear an explanation for this one.
My balls atrophied a fair amount on the first.
This cycle, hardly ANY atrophy.
Wtf?!?!
I'm sure you heard the "deca shuts you down HARD bro"
might be some truth to it.
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I know it's very low. But I'm in no rush with the AAS....I like trying everything low dose at first. I hear too many horror stories.
*this was on top of my test base of 500mgs/week as well, so I'm still at 800mgs a week total now.
nothing wrong with that. Its a good way to start
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I haven't tried prami but maybe that could've been the cause of the lethargy itself. I hate ancillaries bro that stuff probably cause worse sides than the gear itself lol.
Were you stronger with the nandrolone too?? stuff is great for lifting...
I'm sure you heard the "deca shuts you down HARD bro"
might be some truth to it.
Oh yeah my strength was through the roof! I PRd everything weekly.
But I was also carrying 10-15lbs more bloat on the deca.....
Either way I feel deca is superior if you compare each at 300mgs. As long as you're ok with the bloat.
I'm gonna try my next deca cycle without any prami....hopefully no prolactin sides!
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Oh yeah my strength was through the roof! I PRd everything weekly.
But I was also carrying 10-15lbs more bloat on the deca.....
Either way I feel deca is superior if you compare each at 300mgs. As long as you're ok with the bloat.
I'm gonna try my next deca cycle without any prami....hopefully no prolactin sides!
They say npp doesn't cause as much bloat but a few screw ups in the diet and the bloat was just as bad as deca. I still got the strength and joint lubricating effects from it. I like nandrolone but if one gets sides from it they're much harder to control than estrogenic related ones. Its a good drug and definitely has its place though...
Eq everyone says is weak but I'll try it someday to see how I react. Just wish it came on a little faster...
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They say npp doesn't cause as much bloat but a few screw ups in the diet and the bloat was just as bad as deca. I still got the strength and joint lubricating effects from it. I like nandrolone but if one gets sides from it they're much harder to control than estrogenic related ones. Its a good drug and definitely has its place though...
Eq everyone says is weak but I'll try it someday to see how I react. Just wish it came on a little faster...
Hmm interesting. Maybe I should give NPP a go.
I will use EQ in the future again if I'm off season and trying to stay a bit drier and less bloaty, like maybe during a summer cycle. but this winter will def be deca.
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They say npp doesn't cause as much bloat but a few screw ups in the diet and the bloat was just as bad as deca. I still got the strength and joint lubricating effects from it. I like nandrolone but if one gets sides from it they're much harder to control than estrogenic related ones. Its a good drug and definitely has its place though...
Eq everyone says is weak but I'll try it someday to see how I react. Just wish it came on a little faster...
last time i took nadrolon was like 8 years ago. My nipples got swollen as fucl and it looked like i had 2 really big bitchtits scared the hell out of me but i stopped the deca and lyckily it went away
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At week 5 or so I had this euphoric awakening feeling... just total clarity and focus, and endurance was through the roof... also vascularity was ridiculous but the BP was ridiculous too that I couldn't wait to drop it... only went up to 900mg... Haven't ran it in 10 months and don't have the desire to... I dunno 1cc of 300mg if it would make much difference or will just screw up my BP. Ironically deca and NPP don't give me BP issues...
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i get that from tren and dbol (together and separately).
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At week 5 or so I had this euphoric awakening feeling... just total clarity and focus, and endurance was through the roof... also vascularity was ridiculous but the BP was ridiculous too that I couldn't wait to drop it... only went up to 900mg... Haven't ran it in 10 months and don't have the desire to... I dunno 1cc of 300mg if it would make much difference or will just screw up my BP. Ironically deca and NPP don't give me BP issues...
Im in grad school so I'm constantly studying. Even at 300mgs I feel that clarity and focus. Glad I'm not the only one "imagining" that effect.
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They say npp doesn't cause as much bloat but a few screw ups in the diet and the bloat was just as bad as deca. I still got the strength and joint lubricating effects from it. I like nandrolone but if one gets sides from it they're much harder to control than estrogenic related ones. Its a good drug and definitely has its place though...
Eq everyone says is weak but I'll try it someday to see how I react. Just wish it came on a little faster...
there's also eq base (no ester), eq acetate, and eq cyp. I've never made ace or base (ha.. remember them? anyways...), but I couldn't get the cyp to be painless. even at 100mg/ml it hurt like fuck.
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They say npp doesn't cause as much bloat but a few screw ups in the diet and the bloat was just as bad as deca. I still got the strength and joint lubricating effects from it. I like nandrolone but if one gets sides from it they're much harder to control than estrogenic related ones. Its a good drug and definitely has its place though...
Eq everyone says is weak but I'll try it someday to see how I react. Just wish it came on a little faster...
npp is a joke. The best way to get the most from nandrolone is one very large shot once per week in the glute muscle not the delt (for higher blood peak concentration of the hormone)
Test should be very high or none at all...I will go into detail later about why, from a health perspective ....staying on low to moderate doses of test as in 300mg- 500mg is the absolute worst thing one can do for their health, despite It being so common.
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yes my stamina sucks usually but on eq it was 100times better, i didnt even get tired after my usual workout
really? so it seems that it would be a good sex drug giving one the stamina to pound away on the hoes ;D
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really? so it seems that it would be a good sex drug giving one the stamina to pound away on the hoes ;D
haha yes..boldenone is one of the few drugs that increases the red bloodcells witch is good for your stamina. I have a vague memory that boldenone came from when the tryed to make liquid dbol. Someone correct me if im wrong dont know if its 100% True
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npp is a joke. The best way to get the most from nandrolone is one very large shot once per week in the glute muscle not the delt (for higher blood peak concentration of the hormone)
Test should be very high or none at all...I will go into detail later about why, from a health perspective ....staying on low to moderate doses of test as in 300mg- 500mg is the absolute worst thing one can do for their health, despite It being so common.
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+1
And why shiuld test be high or lt at all. I know many including myself that have had really good results on 500mg testo. And many bigger guys seem to like npp
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there's also eq base (no ester), eq acetate, and eq cyp. I've never made ace or base (ha.. remember them? anyways...), but I couldn't get the cyp to be painless. even at 100mg/ml it hurt like fuck.
ace of base...god we're old ;D
npp is a joke. The best way to get the most from nandrolone is one very large shot once per week in the glute muscle not the delt (for higher blood peak concentration of the hormone)
Test should be very high or none at all...I will go into detail later about why, from a health perspective ....staying on low to moderate doses of test as in 300mg- 500mg is the absolute worst thing one can do for their health, despite It being so common.
I don't know bro I like both deca and npp. I know you keep up with studies too so I wanna know where you got the high or no test from...
I know why you're saying about injecting into the glute instead of the delt I've seen that study as well.
(http://jpet.aspetjournals.org/content/281/1/93/F1.large.jpg)
Those are all 100mg nandrolone injections with the top one being the only npp. You can see that the 100mg suspended in less oil provides a better peak in the glute shots so if the npp was in 1ml instead I imagine the peak to be even higher. Its a good way to go to get stable blood levels up quick and you'll need to inject more frequently but I don't know why you're saying its a joke.
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haha yes..boldenone is one of the few drugs that increases the red bloodcells witch is good for your stamina. I have a vague memory that boldenone came from when the tryed to make liquid dbol. Someone correct me if im wrong dont know if its 100% True
Exactly.
I mean theres actual injectable dianabol which is still the same drug with the same effects, but with eq the science people did some voodo stuff like changing an atom or something like that wanting to make a longer half life injectable dbol.
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Exactly.
I mean theres actual injectable dianabol which is still the same drug with the same effects, but with eq the science people did some voodo stuff like changing an atom or something like that wanting to make a longer half life injectable dbol.
cool my memory wasnt wrong then.
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ace of base...god we're old ;D
I don't know bro I like both deca and npp. I know you keep up with studies too so I wanna know where you got the high or no test from...
I know why you're saying about injecting into the glute instead of the delt I've seen that study as well.
(http://jpet.aspetjournals.org/content/281/1/93/F1.large.jpg)
Those are all 100mg nandrolone injections with the top one being the only npp. You can see that the 100mg suspended in less oil provides a better peak in the glute shots so if the npp was in 1ml instead I imagine the peak to be even higher. Its a good way to go to get stable blood levels up quick and you'll need to inject more frequently but I don't know why you're saying its a joke.
I don't understand....why does your injection spot matter when it comes to blood levels?
I only do delts....does this mean I'm missing out?
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I don't understand....why does your injection spot matter when it comes to blood levels?
I'm sure you'd be able to make a better guess than me given your education chiro
bigger muscle provides better utilization perhaps ???
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I'm sure you'd be able to make a better guess than me given your education chiro
bigger muscle provides better utilization perhaps ???
I don't spend enough time with my nose in endocrinology journals though :D
I always thought it did not matter because the drug breakdown would occur systemically?9 I need to find out this answer.
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I don't spend enough time with my nose in endocrinology journals though :D
I always thought it did not matter because the drug breakdown would occur systemically?9 I need to find out this answer.
I've thought about this also but either way, I couldn't stick to just one muscle group for injections unless running low doses of long esters. Scar tissue buildup has to affect it too I'd imagine...
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I've thought about this also but either way, I couldn't stick to just one muscle group for injections unless running low doses of long esters. Scar tissue buildup has to affect it too I'd imagine...
Are you saying i need to start PIITB then?
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Are you saying i need to start PIITB then?
Right inside the bung hole making sure nothing leaks out while being absorbed.
But nah really I've been doing strictly glutes for a little while now. I looked online about different injection sites affecting plasma levels of drugs but haven't been able to find much. If anyone else has any info feel free to post it up here....
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I don't understand....why does your injection spot matter when it comes to blood levels?
I only do delts....does this mean I'm missing out?
no idea if this is true but a friend who knows his steroids said that according to a study the body took up 30 % less wheb you injected in the shoulder vs glutes. But as i said dont know if its true i inject sometimes in the shoulders anyway 2ml . One time 4.5 ml at once but i dont recomd that lol
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no idea if this is true but a friend who knows his steroids said that according to a study the body took up 30 % less wheb you injected in the shoulder vs glutes. But as i said dont know if its true i inject sometimes in the shoulders anyway 2ml . One time 4.5 ml at once but i dont recomd that lol
I've read stuff like that for years... but if you're shooting 20cc's+ per week, that all can't go in your glutes. lol. I can fit 3cc in the rear 2/3 of the delt and about 1.5-2cc in the front 1/3 in 1 day... 5cc in each glute is no problem... now quads, 3cc max in the rectus femorus or vastus lateralis or i'm hurting. lol
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I've read stuff like that for years... but if you're shooting 20cc's+ per week, that all can't go in your glutes. lol. I can fit 3cc in the rear 2/3 of the delt and about 1.5-2cc in the front 1/3 in 1 day... 5cc in each glute is no problem... now quads, 3cc max in the rectus femorus or vastus lateralis or i'm hurting. lol
lol yes same here . Never understood why so many on the bb boards thinks people that shoots more thab 0.5-1ml in the shoulder is crazy. I always shoot btw 2-3ml
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+1
And why shiuld test be high or lt at all. I know many including myself that have had really good results on 500mg testo. And many bigger guys seem to like npp
Low supraphysiological doses of test in time will make you sterile. the steroli cells in the balls have to bath in testosterone to produce fertile sperm , when you inject for example 500mg per week , and your HPTA shuts down , by the time the test get in your blood its very diluted that the concentrations passing through the testicles are very negligible , but when you inject EXTREMELY high dosages , the amount increase and spermatogenesis is again triggered. Its one of the reasons the guys with the biggest fertility problems are often very recreational,conservative users..and you hear so many abusers rarely having any problems.
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Low supraphysiological doses of test in time will make you sterile. the steroli cells in the balls have to bath in testosterone to produce fertile sperm , when you inject for example 500mg per week , and your HPTA shuts down , by the time the test get in your blood its very diluted that the concentrations passing through the testicles are very negligible , but when you inject EXTREMELY high dosages , the amount increase and spermatogenesis is again triggered. Its one of the reasons the guys with the biggest fertility problems are often very recreational,conservative users..and you hear so many abusers rarely having any problems.
Not that I don't believe what you're saying bro but can you link where you saw that, I wouldn't mind giving it a read.
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Not that I don't believe what you're saying bro but can you link where you saw that, I wouldn't mind giving it a read.
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http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-steroids-questions-answers/325430-palumbo-says-over-gram-week-%3D-good-fertility.html
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http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-steroids-questions-answers/325430-palumbo-says-over-gram-week-%3D-good-fertility.html
dont know if it was more than the first post there about it but its about fertility when you are on. You said it was wah worse for your health have any link to that?
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That's bullshit I've been on 1g of test for a while and bumped to 1.4g before going off (completely -- i was blasting all the time as I was on hrt) and my sperm count came back zero, took several months to kick back up.
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That's bullshit I've been on 1g of test for a while and bumped to 1.4g before going off (completely -- i was blasting all the time as I was on hrt) and my sperm count came back zero, took several months to kick back up.
LOL.
1. You openly admit you have used quite a few different anabolics, equipoise especially which has been shown in animal studies to damage the structure of the testes.
2. you've admitted many times you use UGL products. Your shit's probably underdosed anyways.
Besides when it comes to studies you don't count, muslims are the scum of the earth and shouldn't be allowed to reproduce anyways. Of course the numbers are going to be off :-\
who was probably use some ugl shit, claim it's bullshit, yet thousands of guys have knocked up their guys all on their heaviest cycles.
While there sure havent been any medical studies...If you took the time to read the articles, the theory makes sense. makes sense, without a doubt. Makes no difference to me..do what you want.
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You sound like a legitimate bro-tard. Every endocrinologist will tell you that any amount of exogenous test will shutdown your test and lower your sperm count. It however depends person to person as to how badly it'll affect the testes and how much it'll lower the sperm count/quality/motility. Some guys can blast and still have some sperm count, while others will have a non-existent sperm count.
And test is test you stupid fuck, UGL or not UGL and plus I get HG test from a doc if I want to, makes absolutely no difference if you get quality UGL test.
FYI, I'm white and European, last I heard Europeans are running scared from 'baby making Mozlems'. Thanks for clearly contributing with your retarded bro-tard HORSE SHIT on an internet forum.
"Make sure to take 10g of test and you'll produce tons of quality sperm" -Brotard approved.
I mean who woulda thought, clearly all endocrinologists are putting everyone on supraphysiological doses of test to make them fertile.
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You sound like a legitimate bro-tard. Every endocrinologist will tell you that any amount of exogenous test will shutdown your test and lower your sperm count. It however depends person to person as to how badly it'll affect the testes and how much it'll lower the sperm count/quality/motility. Some guys can blast and still have some sperm count, while others will have a non-existent sperm count.
And test is test you stupid fuck, UGL or not UGL and plus I get HG test from a doc if I want to, makes absolutely no difference if you get quality UGL test.
FYI, I'm white and European, last I heard Europeans are running scared from 'baby making Mozlems'. Thanks for clearly contributing with your retarded bro-tard HORSE SHIT on an internet forum.
"Make sure to take 10g of test and you'll produce tons of quality sperm" -Brotard approved.
I mean who woulda thought, clearly all endocrinologists are putting everyone on supraphysiological doses of test to make them fertile.
thanks for clearing up my point and showing is all how fucking dumb you are. I have nothing to say...The bold does everything for me ;D
. The fact that you even think I was saying ugl was not as good as pharm grade products (as if that's what you thought I was implying) shows how fucking dumb you are. Even if an ugl says 300mg/ml if it was really 200mg/ml you would never even know. If a study was to be done on this theory one would be required to not only be honest about their use but anyone using any ugl product would be disqualified from the study as the chances of an ugl product being underdosed or overdosed are all very likely.
fyi....
Palumbo was the one who brought the theory to alot of guys attention in the first place and he spoke about it in MD. poor physique or not He's a smart guy who knows his stuff.
this is over your head.
when it come to knowledge of AAS and pharmacology I am up here...
your down here.
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thanks for clearing up my point and showing is all how fucking dumb you are. I have nothing to say...The bold does everything for me ;D
. The fact that you even think I was saying ugl was not as good as pharm grade products (as if that's what you thought I was implying) shows how fucking dumb you are. Even if an ugl says 300mg/ml if it was really 200mg/ml you would never even know. If a study was to be done on this theory one would be required to not only be honest about their use but anyone using any ugl product would be disqualified from the study as the chances of an ugl product being underdosed or overdosed are all very likely.
fyi....
Palumbo was the one who brought the theory to alot of guys attention in the first place and he spoke about it in MD. poor physique or not He's a smart guy who knows his stuff.
this is over your head.
when it come to knowledge of AAS and pharmacology I am up here...
your down here.
but what about the fact that doctors put people on 300mg testo for hrt reasons. It would mean that the test is so water down as it said in that article that it almost dont work but there test results show otherwise
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Is it wrong that I agree with both theories that Mensa bob and flint/Palumbo are saying :D
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Is it wrong that I agree with both theories that Mensa bob and flint/Palumbo are saying :D
the only reason you don't believe it is because you "cant comprehend" that a gram of test would make a guy fertile and low doses would make you sterile.
not that i blame you AT ALL as I see where you are coming from. IT seems and sounds unlikely....but to "disagree" with something just because of the way it sounds is foolish. From the science we have the theory is accurate.
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the only reason you don't believe it is because you "cant comprehend" that a gram of test would make a guy fertile and low doses would make you sterile.
not that i blame you AT ALL as I see where you are coming from. IT seems and sounds unlikely....but to "disagree" with something just because of the way it sounds is foolish. From the science we have the theory is accurate.
I just said I believe you. I understand how both sides could be valid.
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But trough only bro science i have heard that a big dose of test do make you much much more fertile but in the first weeks only and then shouts down. But thats just via bro science
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Ya their is nothing worse than under dosed UGL testosterone.... I thought I just responded shitty to NPP and that's why I had low sex drive.
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(http://i371.photobucket.com/albums/oo151/meatkin/kickingbaby_statue.jpg)
I hope palumbo's right....
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But answer this flint. Palumbo said in the article :
"You inject 250 milligrams of testosterone enanthate per week. By the time this 250 milligrams gets into the bloodstream, it's been watered so significantly that the relative amount passing through the testicals winds up being negligible"
That would mean that its useless for the hrt patience that gets 250mg enanthate per week. But there test shows different, that there levels are much higher after the inject
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I lol'd when I read "testicals"
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But answer this flint. Palumbo said in the article :
"You inject 250 milligrams of testosterone enanthate per week. By the time this 250 milligrams gets into the bloodstream, it's been watered so significantly that the relative amount passing through the testicals winds up being negligible"
That would mean that its useless for the hrt patience that gets 250mg enanthate per week. But there test shows different, that there levels are much higher after the inject
achieving an optimal concentration of the hormone in the blood to achieve a desired effect (which is the goal of trt patients or bodybuilders or athletes ) is completely irrelevent to what dave is talking about. a man on 250mg test a week for trt is doing so to get his test levels in the 1000-1600 range (roughly)...very high natural levels. highest natural levels are about 1200ng/dl i believe.
still this will shut a guy down. in order to become fertile again while on, you need to be in the 4000- 5000 range. these are rough estimates...as 600mg testosterone per week will put a guy between 2000-3000ng/dl. im too tired to figure it out.
if you cant understand this simple concept god help you...
Im tired and Im going to bed.
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achieving an optimal concentration of the hormone in the blood to achieve a desired effect (which is the goal of trt patients or bodybuilders or athletes ) is completely irrelevent to what dave is talking about. a man on 250mg test a week for trt is doing so to get his test levels in the 1000-1600 range (roughly)...very high natural levels. highest natural levels are about 1200ng/dl i believe.
still this will shut a guy down. in order to become fertile again while on, you need to be in the 4000- 5000 range. these are rough estimates...as 600mg testosterone per week will put a guy between 2000-3000ng/dl. im too tired to figure it out.
if you cant understand this simple concept god help you...
Im tired and Im going to bed.
thats not what i was asking, he said it would be to watered down with 250mg so it its useless to take it, but if you have 1000mg is so much that a much larger concentration would reach the bloodstream. you said yourself in the first post that small doses of testo is meaningless, but for the hrt patiences its clearly gives a boost. im not talking about fertility now, no one did in the first place
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the only reason you don't believe it is because you "cant comprehend" that a gram of test would make a guy fertile and low doses would make you sterile.
not that i blame you AT ALL as I see where you are coming from. IT seems and sounds unlikely....but to "disagree" with something just because of the way it sounds is foolish. From the science we have the theory is accurate.
Hey retard, when I ran that 1g-1.4g dosages all I used was HG test, hope you retard more. Delasteryl vials and Omnadren ampules.
Hope you retard more sir brotardist.
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achieving an optimal concentration of the hormone in the blood to achieve a desired effect (which is the goal of trt patients or bodybuilders or athletes ) is completely irrelevent to what dave is talking about. a man on 250mg test a week for trt is doing so to get his test levels in the 1000-1600 range (roughly)...very high natural levels. highest natural levels are about 1200ng/dl i believe.
still this will shut a guy down. in order to become fertile again while on, you need to be in the 4000- 5000 range. these are rough estimates...as 600mg testosterone per week will put a guy between 2000-3000ng/dl. im too tired to figure it out.
if you cant understand this simple concept god help you...
Im tired and Im going to bed.
And you pulled that out of your abused asshole yeah?
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Hey retard, when I ran that 1g-1.4g dosages all I used was HG test, hope you retard more. Delasteryl vials and Omnadren ampules.
Hope you retard more sir brotardist.
liar. I don't believe you.
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Yeah okay, why would I have to lie? I can get any body-building drug I want if I want to. You're still a retard spreading your own made up unscientific brotard science. Prior to running any other injectables all I used to do was up and down test cruise and blast and it was delasteryl vials (stings and I don't like it for that reason otherwise easily available in Canada and what the doc prescribes) and omnadren ampules (awesome) that I used together.
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I get that from Tren! ;D
Glad you are getting some positive benefits.
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when i still used i felt like complete shit when on tren...the only time i felt good was when i was lifting...loved the gaines, and hated everything else about it.
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when i still used i felt like complete shit when on tren...the only time i felt good was when i was lifting...loved the gaines, and hated everything else about it.
benc
I hear this same thing over and over with tren.
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I hear this same thing over and over with tren.
if i went back on it would be all test and EQ...no tren ever again...and i used to run a LOT of tren
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I hear this same thing over and over with tren.
Yeah Bench is on the money. I can feel like Im on top of the world healthy as heck, Moment I touch tren ....joints ache, Im tired, lethargic, my body feels very "toxic: I also break out bad. Almost like an allergic reaction just lots of spots all over my arms and back.
moment I stop it,.... it goes away. As for the benefits
1- I love how it leans you out eating like shit
2- the muscle seem to pop a bit more
3- the face gets very attractive on it
Although I do feel like it makes gaining size somewhat difficult at times because of what it does to your metabolism. Bench is this you too? or do you just not like the side effects that comes with it? .
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if i went back on it would be all test and EQ...no tren ever again...and i used to run a LOT of tren
bench
Not a nandrolone fan?
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Not a nandrolone fan?
not at all..
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not at all..
bench
after this cykle of eq that was my first i have to say the same. It was 10 years ago my last deca cykle so my memories can be wrong but eq and test will be my base cykle from now.
I might get my hands on tren later this week, took my last shot of eq 2 weeks ago but from what i can remember (8 years sgo i took tren last time) i didnt feel any side effects while on
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after this cykle of eq that was my first i have to say the same. It was 10 years ago my last deca cykle so my memories can be wrong but eq and test will be my base cykle from now.
I might get my hands on tren later this week, took my last shot of eq 2 weeks ago but from what i can remember (8 years sgo i took tren last time) i didnt feel any side effects while on
the only time i got any side effect with EQ is when i went over a gram for about a year...my heart beat was out of control...lowered the dose and it normalized...that was a long time ago..
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the only time i got any side effect with EQ is when i went over a gram for about a year...my heart beat was out of control...lowered the dose and it normalized...that was a long time ago..
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did you get any more vascular on eq? Did the effect last in the end of the 1 year cykle to?
My comment about sides was about tren.
And i wonder why flint havent answered my question yet. And why npp is worthless
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did you get any more vascular on eq? Did the effect last in the end of the 1 year cykle to?
My comment about sides was about tren.
And i wonder why flint havent answered my question yet. And why npp is worthless
My last cycle lasted over 4 years...with all kinds of compounds being in there...test was always a constant...when EQ became a mainstay I noticed a lot of positive benifits...I respond very well to eq for some reason..
And yes, i got way more vascular..even on my face which I didn't like lol
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did you get any more vascular on eq? Did the effect last in the end of the 1 year cykle to?
My comment about sides was about tren.
And i wonder why flint havent answered my question yet. And why npp is worthless
because your either a smartass or a fucking idiot. when a guy says a dbol only cycle only is "worthless" he's exaggerating to a degree. Of course it's not "worthless"
At work today I said "fuck this job im gonna kill myself"...did I really mean I was gonna shoot myself?
look at the questions your asking...
"did you get more vascular on eq?'
ffs dude...try google
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because your either a smartass or a fucking idiot. when a guy says a dbol only cycle only is "worthless" he's exaggerating to a degree. Of course it's not "worthless"
At work today I said "fuck this job im gonna kill myself"...did I really mean I was gonna shoot myself?
look at the questions your asking...
"did you get more vascular on eq?'
ffs dude...try google
still avoiding the question..are you dumb or is it that you dont want to answer it because there is a flaw in paljmbos article..
You did the same thing when you answered my question earlier in the thread. Started to ramble about fertility when no one even talked about it.
And you havent answered the npp question either why you say it wothless. Have you read it in a article or tried it several times yourself or what?
And yes not all get vascular on eq. I have friends that didnt noticed any mofe.
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still avoiding the question..are you dumb or is it that you dont want to answer it because there is a flaw in paljmbos article..
You did the same thing when you answered my question earlier in the thread. Started to ramble about fertility when no one even talked about it.
And you havent answered the npp question either why you say it wothless. Have you read it in a article or tried it several times yourself or what?
And yes not all get vascular on eq. I have friends that didnt noticed any mofe.
I dodge your questions because i think your a lazy noob who's too lazy to use google or the search function. If a guy states his opinion, and is credible, you don't question him. It's what makes guys not want to give advice or help people on forums in the first place.
Everyone here understands perfectly fine what palumbo meant, but you for some reason
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I dodge your questions because i think your a lazy noob who's too lazy to use google or the search function. If a guy states his opinion, and is credible, you don't question him. It's what makes guys not want to give advice or help people on forums in the first place.
Everyone here understands perfectly fine what palumbo meant, but you for some reason
ok i rest my case. You are that dumb
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I dodge your questions because i think your a lazy noob who's too lazy to use google or the search function. If a guy states his opinion, and is credible, you don't question him. It's what makes guys not want to give advice or help people on forums in the first place.
Everyone here understands perfectly fine what palumbo meant, but you for some reason
If you want to act like a child on here fine, but if you continue to talk shit to everyone who asks an honest question I'll remove your posts.
This is a DISCUSSION forum dude, anyone can ask anything they want without being ridiculed by someone like you.
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Flint brother you on tren right now?? :D
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Flint brother you on tren right now?? :D
eq is definitely good for vascularity. But how good is primo used at the same dosage? Anyone tried it??
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eq is definitely good for vascularity. But how good is primo used at the same dosage? Anyone tried it??
Not really...primo will give the muscles a nice full look, (google pics of dennis newman). ITs a Very attractive look. If it's not human grade it's probably not primo though. I wouldn't bother with using anything but pharm grade primo and even then it's not worth the price
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If you want to act like a child on here fine, but if you continue to talk shit to everyone who asks an honest question I'll remove your posts.
This is a DISCUSSION forum dude, anyone can ask anything they want without being ridiculed by someone like you.
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you missed the part where I went out of my way to explain something to the guy and he asks the same question 3 times. Ive never flamed anyone but him on here.
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you missed the part where I went out of my way to explain something to the guy and he asks the same question 3 times. Ive never flamed anyone but him on here.
lol no yiu started to ramble about everything else but the question
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I get that from Tren! ;D
Glad you are getting some positive benefits.
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im running miniscule doses of tren a on top of my HRT.... and its fucking awesome.
agree on the energy, and no Tren side effect horror stories thanks to the tiny dosing.
im honestly seeing better results with HRT and a 150mg tren/week than I EVER saw running 750mg+ wk test and I deca.
of course im much more consistent and my diet is better... but still. The strength gains are amazing.... and while im dieting, it literally looks like the fat that is leaving is replaced by lean tissue. However, im bouncing back from some health issues and bad weight gain last year, so its practically like im a beginner again, lol.
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Not really...primo will give the muscles a nice full look, (google pics of dennis newman). ITs a Very attractive look. If it's not human grade it's probably not primo though. I wouldn't bother with using anything but pharm grade primo and even then it's not worth the price
your right. The worst with all the fake primo is that women takes it because they have read on the net thats women cqn take it and they get testo prop instead
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Not really...primo will give the muscles a nice full look, (google pics of dennis newman). ITs a Very attractive look. If it's not human grade it's probably not primo though. I wouldn't bother with using anything but pharm grade primo and even then it's not worth the price
if that's really true about primo then i just may start to inject ;D
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getting real primo is very difficult nowadays
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if that's really true about primo then i just may start to inject ;D
considering the fact your a fairly tall guy, its going to take about 2-3 grams of pure anabolics and 6-8 iu gh per day for 3-5 years to reach dennis newmans size.
I think at some point the average juicer has to ask themselves what is more important longevity or quality. Testosterone is a very safe, very effective way to grow muscles for a long time due to the sole fact that it isn't toxic. But it does not build quality physiques like mega dosing anabolics will. Antoine valliant vs dennis newman.....same stats (actually Antoine is much bigger( but dennis wipes the floor with him. Nothing to do with genetics its simply the choice of drugs
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if i became a rich man then i could cylce primo with var, but since i'm just a broke punkass i guess i'll have to stick with dbol and maybe deca (if i decide to inject)
i'm not going with test coz most test physiques i see aren't so nice
IMO the 70's look was prime 8)
that's a deca and dbol physique right there
(http://www.iron-age-classic-bodybuilding.com/images/Richard_Baldwin_Front_Double.jpg)
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if i became a rich man then i could cylce primo with var, but since i'm just a broke punkass i guess i'll have to stick with dbol and maybe deca (if i decide to inject)
i'm not going with test coz most test physiques i see aren't so nice
IMO the 70's look was prime 8)
that's a deca and dbol physique right there
(http://www.iron-age-classic-bodybuilding.com/images/Richaxrd_Baldwin_Front_Double.jpg)
if you decide to inject? Are you only running orals?
dont be a bitch.
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I lol'd when I read "testicals"
lol yeah my english sucks. Esp the grammar. Atleast im not dave chezh bad
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lol yeah my english sucks. Esp the grammar. Atleast im not dave chezh bad
It's not that I'm a grammar nazi but when read out loud the word sounds pretty funny to me.
Will use irl from now on... ;D
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if i became a rich man then i could cylce primo with var, but since i'm just a broke punkass i guess i'll have to stick with dbol and maybe deca (if i decide to inject)
i'm not going with test coz most test physiques i see aren't so nice
IMO the 70's look was prime 8)
that's a deca and dbol physique right there
(http://www.iron-age-classic-bodybuilding.com/images/Richard_Baldwin_Front_Double.jpg)
if you decide to inject ??? ???
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if you decide to inject ??? ???
Heh, same thing I said.
DJ i have a hard time believing your a grown ass man, you come across like an frightened adolescent in many of your posts.
No offense.
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Heh, same thing I said.
DJ i have a hard time believing your a grown ass man, you come across like an frightened adolescent in many of your posts.
No offense.
This.
DJ....it's time to pony up, cowboy.
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well fellas i don't think no pussy can suffer enough to get to my level of leaness without "assistance" i used only painful starving
pussies can't make it this far ;)
also, if you've known of my athletic past (i was a very high level track man as a teen, qualified for the States in the 800 meters and ran it in 1:58) well, that ain't no pussy either ;)
here's the thing, go out and run HARD, and then when it starts to hurt run even HARDER
pussies can't do this :)
i may be a stubborn asshole and a narcissist, but i sure as hell ain't no pussy 8)
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What does all this have to do with EQ lol
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What does all this have to do with EQ lol
who the hell knows man, i guess that they just wanna give me some shit since i ain't like them lol
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well fellas i don't think no pussy can suffer enough to get to my level of leaness without "assistance" i used only painful starving
pussies can't make it this far ;)
also, if you've known of my athletic past (i was a very high level track man as a teen, qualified for the States in the 800 meters and ran it in 1:58) well, that ain't no pussy either ;)
here's the thing, go out and run HARD, and then when it starts to hurt run even HARDER
pussies can't do this :)
i may be a stubborn asshole and a narcissist, but i sure as hell ain't no pussy 8)
youre delusional, no one called you a pussy, I called you a bitch for acting like injecting an oil into your muscle is so much different than popping pills.
newsflash - either way youre using steroids. either way, youre taking a variant of testosterone. Only one is much less effective on its own. For fucks sake its not like youre mainlining heroin.
stop lying to yourself.... not like us..... fucking lawl.
and for the record, yes, pussies can get into shape. Like that someone has anything to do with you reeking of fear over such a trivial thing. High school called, they told me to tell you youre fucking 40 years old.
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Sorry dj, but the constant talking about yourself and ;) s after you mention an accomplishment are less likely to be tolerated by a bunch of juice monkeys. ;D
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Sorry dj, but the constant talking about yourself and ;) s after you mention an accomplishment are less likely to be tolerated by a bunch of juice monkeys. ;D
you can tell someones insecure as fuck when they start rambling about not being a pussy for whatever reason, over and over, when no one even called him a pussy.
lol.
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you can tell someones insecure as fuck when they start rambling about not being a pussy for whatever reason, over and over, when no one even called him a pussy.
lol.
christ you're an angry dude, and nice way to put words in my mouth btw
oh well, no worries
we all makes our own decisions and i decide not to inject
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christ you're an angry dude, and nice way to put words in my mouth btw
oh well, no worries
we all makes our own decisions and i decide not to inject
huh. Well you handled that a lot different than I was expecting.
touche.
and yes, ive been picking a lot of fights the last couple days, dont take it personally.
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come on guys we're all friends here ;D
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christ you're an angry dude, and nice way to put words in my mouth btw
oh well, no worries
we all makes our own decisions and i decide not to inject
Your reason for not injecting is silly though....
I bet you would make 50% less "how can I reach my physique goals" threads if you would just try 1cc a week of test. You have all the tools and info to make your dreams your reality, yet you sit here for hours still seeking the secret forumula of sets:reps:carbs:protein ratios while flaunting your high school accomplishments in our faces.
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Your reason for not injecting is silly though....
I bet you would make 50% less "how can I reach my physique goals" threads if you would just try 1cc a week of test. You have all the tools and info to make your dreams your reality, yet you sit here for hours still seeking the secret forumula of sets:reps:carbs:protein ratios while flaunting your high school accomplishments in our faces.
he is scared to inject
just like he is scared to post this shit on the g and o the mods are more protective here
the guy is an idiot
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he is scared to inject
just like he is scared to post this shit on the g and o the mods are more protective here
the guy is an idiot
he just comes.across like a scared, pathetic virgin on stuff like this, making such a big deal out of nothing.
I mean, im pinning a whopping 1cc test c and 1.5cc of tren a EW... he may actually be running more mgs on his shitty oral cycle than I am on my buffed up HRT, and hes scared of it? Fuck my doctor had me bring in my needle and taught me how to do it. Lol.
Nothing to it, hes making a mountain out of a mole hill. I feel like he thinks hes going to suddenly start mainlining heroin and OD the second he injects himself with some juice.
Shit drives me nuts for no reason.
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Honestly injecting is easier than brushing my teeth. And a lot easier than going to fucking gnc and buying creatine. Lol I swear creatine is all the bloat of testosterone combined into one product. Lol sorry but I always think that now days about creatine.
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Honestly injecting is easier than brushing my teeth. And a lot easier than going to fucking gnc and buying creatine. Lol I swear creatine is all the bloat of testosterone combined into one product. Lol sorry but I always think that now days about creatine.
i have friends that are to scared to do it themself. One has probably done over 10 cykles his hole life including cykles where he was pinnez 2 times a week but still is to afraid to do it himself. He always comes by me so i have to do it on him
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he just comes.across like a scared, pathetic virgin on stuff like this, making such a big deal out of nothing.
I mean, im pinning a whopping 1cc test c and 1.5cc of tren a EW... he may actually be running more mgs on his shitty oral cycle than I am on my buffed up HRT, and hes scared of it? Fuck my doctor had me bring in my needle and taught me how to do it. Lol.
Nothing to it, hes making a mountain out of a mole hill. I feel like he thinks hes going to suddenly start mainlining heroin and OD the second he injects himself with some juice.
Shit drives me nuts for no reason.
funny things is he will stay on superdrol which is toxic as fuck for long periods
guy like him shouldnt take gear
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funny things is he will stay on superdrol which is toxic as fuck for long periods
guy like him shouldnt take gear
well Gear ain't helped you has it? you Fat kunt ::)
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Bigmc and Donny battling daily across many threads and different boards very entertaining keep it going guys. ;D
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DJ181's orals only policy can be described with 1 word: Inneficient.
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DJ181's orals only policy can be described with 1 word: Inneficient.
yes but i have a feeling he will take the needle route soon or later. If he has someone who can show him.
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you would figure a compound that is used to make million dollar race horses bigger stronger and faster would get more love. Tren and eq are the best compounds you an use. hands down....take a 200lb guy on 900mg eq and 150mg tren ace ed, and a 220lb guy on test dbol and deca at 220, with the same bf.......guy on tren and eq will smoke him
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you would figure a compound that is used to make million dollar race horses bigger stronger and faster would get more love. Tren and eq are the best compounds you an use. hands down....take a 200lb guy on 900mg eq and 150mg tren ace ed, and a 220lb guy on test dbol and deca at 220, with the same bf.......guy on tren and eq will smoke him
Why do you think EQ is superior to deca, gram for gram?
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you would figure a compound that is used to make million dollar race horses bigger stronger and faster would get more love. Tren and eq are the best compounds you an use. hands down....take a 200lb guy on 900mg eq and 150mg tren ace ed, and a 220lb guy on test dbol and deca at 220, with the same bf.......guy on tren and eq will smoke him
why did you just compare a 200lbs and 220 lbs? Andwhat did you mean smoke him? Strength or leanness ir whatever is it that you meant?
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I've run EQ at many diferent doses. Never really noticed any stimulant effect. My last blast I ran EQ at 2g. Only kept it that hight for around 4 wks then brought it back down to around 1200mg. At 2g my traps and shoulders exploded! I looked very wide! I even kept it in during my cruise at 600mg then dropped it and switched to deca. For me I like EQ at around 1g/wk
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Why do you think EQ is superior to deca, gram for gram?
no idea why he thinks so. Isnt it quite known that for mass decca is much more powerfull than eq
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Why do you think EQ is superior to deca, gram for gram?
Deca is slow acting and Eq is fast acting ....(except it has long metabolites) It is a common misconception that equipoise takes a long time to "kick in". In needs to be injected EOD. Deca is one of those few steroids where the dose responsive curve tends to flatten out rather quickly. Even the biggest pros don't exceed 900mg. The difference between 750mg and 1500mg of Bold is huge.
Deca can also contribute to intra muscular fat gain
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Well then back up with a link to that. Would be interesting to read about the fact that eq is fast acting and should be talen eod. Cant be that Hard to find a link to that?
Edit: my fault maybe you are thinking about fast acting eq and not the usual eq und
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Well then back up with a link to that. Would be interesting to read about the fact that eq is fast acting and should be talen eod. Cant be that Hard to find a link to that?
Edit: my fault maybe you are thinking about fast acting eq and not the usual eq und
my advice for you would be to register on gh15's shitty board and go through my old posts....all the studies are there.
I get 20 minutes a day on here tops and I just don't have the time.
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my advice for you would be to register on gh15's shitty board and go through my old posts....all the studies are there.
I get 20 minutes a day on here tops and I just don't have the time.
lol no thanks. But it is quite know that eq u and deca halflife is quite similar. But all the sights on the net that have eq profiles are wrong
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lol no thanks. But it is quite know that eq u and deca halflife is quite similar. But all the sights on the net that have eq profiles are wrong
No, it's not. No drug takes time to work, even deca will "start working" within 45 minutes of injecting it. If you want to lose my knowledge than by all means continue being a little jackass and I'll quit posting here. I'm sure members would love what you have to offer ::)
Very simple agree or disagree with me....next topic I can go into more detail about nandrolone and it's linked to cancer, why tren ace should be injected twice per day, why deca may even be toxic to our genes in the long run.
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No, it's not. No drug takes time to work, even deca will "start working" within 45 minutes of injecting it. If you want to lose my knowledge than by all means continue being a little jackass and I'll quit posting here. I'm sure members would love what you have to offer ::)
Very simple agree or disagree with me....next topic I can go into more detail about nandrolone and it's linked to cancer, why tren ace should be injected twice per day, why deca may even be toxic to our genes in the long run.
so anyone who disagree the great steroidguru flintstone is a jackass?
Its like the last time you where asked to bsck up what you said you started to act like a diva and posted a lonk about fertility lol. And this time you didnt have a link at all. Ofcourse its starts to work directly decca does that to. This is a discussion board people discuss. If you have a hatd time with people having diff opinions then by all mean leave. But stop acting like a butthurt 2 year old
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lol no thanks. But it is quite know that eq u and deca halflife is quite similar. But all the sights on the net that have eq profiles are wrong
do you think 15's reading this thread :D
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do you think 15's reading this thread :D
haha he is so obsessed with "the dying board" so im 100% sure he is here everyday
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haha he is so obsessed with "the dying board" so im 100% sure he is here everyday
no shit man, maybe i should have took him up on his free gh offer :D :D :D
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no shit man, maybe i should have took him up on his free gh offer :D :D :D
haha you mean free sugarwater kits
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so anyone who disagree the great steroidguru flintstone is a jackass?
Its like the last time you where asked to bsck up what you said you started to act like a diva and posted a lonk about fertility lol. And this time you didnt have a link at all. Ofcourse its starts to work directly decca does that to. This is a discussion board people discuss. If you have a hatd time with people having diff opinions then by all mean leave. But stop acting like a butthurt 2 year old
. 95% of people on the boards have absolutely no idea the why's and how's behind anything..., they just like to repeat things they have heard. . You need to realize a lot (most) of the info you read on steroid profiles is not only wrong but flat out outdated. For example- the basic profile on winstrol you like to read will tell you it is a poor choice for bulking.... But in the past few years we are finding this compound to be alot stronger than we thought.
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No, it's not. No drug takes time to work, even deca will "start working" within 45 minutes of injecting it. If you want to lose my knowledge than by all means continue being a little jackass and I'll quit posting here. I'm sure members would love what you have to offer ::)
Very simple agree or disagree with me....next topic I can go into more detail about nandrolone and it's linked to cancer, why tren ace should be injected twice per day, why deca may even be toxic to our genes in the long run.
Flint!! Explain your stance on deca!! I'm a huge nandrolone fan. And I even remember you specifically saying on this site how non-toxic deca is, etc. Why the change of heart?
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. 95% of people on the boards have absolutely no idea the why's and how's behind anything..., they just like to repeat things they have heard. . You need to realize a lot (most) of the info you read on steroid profiles is not only wrong but flat out outdated. For example- the basic profile on winstrol you like to read will tell you it is a poor choice for bulking.... But in the past few years we are finding this compound to be alot stronger than we thought.
well i guess i wont see anything that backs that up so lets agree to disagree
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well i guess i wont see anything that backs that up so lets agree to disagree
I am going back to water and licking clits you got to get in before 30 minutes pass after a workout.
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I am going back to water and licking clits you got to get in before 30 minutes pass after a workout.
are you gonna be playing some beach volleyball as well?
(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5013/5521816423_61fddbb0b5_z.jpg)
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I am going back to water and licking clits you got to get in before 30 minutes pass after a workout.
hahah wtf
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Flint!! Explain your stance on deca!! I'm a huge nandrolone fan. And I even remember you specifically saying on this site how non-toxic deca is, etc. Why the change of heart?
Not toxic to the liver and kidneys is what makes it superior to many compounds. REmember though nandralone was released onto the market in the 50's and 60's before studies were done on the side effects of medications. We are finding that nandrolone is highly genotoxic in miceas well as winny. damage to your DNA is something that wont show up in bloodwork at the doctor bro..
the GOOD NEWS- ;D the body can usually repair damaged cells. So genetic damage is not a huge deal..... But if it doesn't...it can mutate into a cancer cell. And IMO this is what happened with dennis newman.
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are you gonna be playing some beach volleyball as well?
(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5013/5521816423_61fddbb0b5_z.jpg)
Looks like I am. 8)
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Not toxic to the liver and kidneys is what makes it superior to many compounds. REmember though nandralone was released onto the market in the 50's and 60's before studies were done on the side effects of medications. We are finding that nandrolone is highly genotoxic in miceas well as winny. damage to your DNA is something that wont show up in bloodwork at the doctor bro..
the GOOD NEWS- ;D the body can usually repair damaged cells. So genetic damage is not a huge deal..... But if it doesn't...it can mutate into a cancer cell. And IMO this is what happened with dennis newman.
Hmmm this is very interesting....
What happened to Dennis Newman? I thought he just disappears/retired all of a sudden? One of my favorite BBers btw.
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Hmmm this is very interesting....
What happened to Dennis Newman? I thought he just disappears/retired all of a sudden? One of my favorite BBers btw.
leukemia
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leukemia
Shit I never knew that
Damn flint you are flexing some strong scientific knowledge lately, nice work.
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4 chiro
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No, it's not. No drug takes time to work, even deca will "start working" within 45 minutes of injecting it. If you want to lose my knowledge than by all means continue being a little jackass and I'll quit posting here. I'm sure members would love what you have to offer ::)
Very simple agree or disagree with me....next topic I can go into more detail about nandrolone and it's linked to cancer, why tren ace should be injected twice per day, why deca may even be toxic to our genes in the long run.
so esters mean shit?
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so esters mean shit?
Esters are irrelevent for how long a drug takes to start working. Personally I think they do matter somewhat for growth though...
. . A lot of people will say test is test ....a gram of prop Is the same thing as a gram of test-e, i think its like an 8mg difference or something cyp being 72mg and prop at 80....but There was some literature posted on meso a while back from the Russians and they found that long esters activated more growth factors, while prop resulted in higher peak concentration of the hormone. So one could make the argument that short esters are better for strength athletes and long esters are better for growth at an equal dosage. this was interesting so I will look for it tonight
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Esters are irrelevent for how long a drug takes to start working. Personally I think they do matter somewhat for growth though...
. . A lot of people will say test is test ....a gram of prop Is the same thing as a gram of test-e, i think its like an 8mg difference or something cyp being 72mg and prop at 80....but There was some literature posted on meso a while back from the Russians and they found that long esters activated more growth factors, while prop resulted in higher peak concentration of the hormone. So one could make the argument that short esters are better for strength athletes and long esters are better for growth at an equal dosage. this was interesting so I will look for it tonight
lol- no shit? That is new info?certain esters are going to be better for cutting and some will be better for bulking. suspension is going to be way better for a strength athlete as well as prop. I think the ester is more important then you make it out to be. In the end Test is Test but what ester the Test is attached too does matter.
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including you.
. Ive seen your pic...Ive been bigger than you, leaner than you, better body than you..... For fuck sake you use insulin use without growth hormone. If you want to ruin your physique, burn yourself out...then by all means listen to this guy.
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he's just copying and pasting stuff. he doesn't really understand what he's attempting to talk about.
Im not in the mood to argue with you as I have to be at work for 5 and im really in a shitty mood....but based on your posts I think your a fairly smart guy, but that my knowledge might be superior to yours. A guy who been on the block for a while but has never attempted to take his understanding of pharmacology to the next level.
I've done this all day...for he past 5 years. .. MAjority of the stuff I post can't be found on google. Sure a guy like overload or widow might e your best bet When it comes to knowing what pros do and inside info, but when it comes to the texts and studies aside from van Nobody on this board has more knowledge than me. It would take them years of readiing hours every day to catch up
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Less talk about how great you are and more proof and for fuck sake stop be such a sensitive crybaby.
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i just read last night that eq is an injectable dbol but quite a bit weaker
it was on one of the roid boards
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i just read last night that eq is an injectable dbol but quite a bit weaker
it was on one of the roid boards
they tried to make injectable dbol and came up with eq. But you cant compare them.
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so what about narcissists ;D
btw, where's gayleniko :D :D :D
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lol you really do make me laugh. nothing like a guy who "doesn't care care what getbiggers think of him" yet he turns around and writes 3 paragraph responses that nobody reads. he only does this about 3-5 times per week...
where are the pics of you at 260 ?
"chris cormier didn't use much gh" ESFITNESS
so a 5'10 physique at 250 pounds...at 4% bf is attainable on low doses of growth hormone eh?
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so what about narcissists ;D
btw, where's gayleniko :D :D :D
He's living in my avatar and he has a message for you:
(http://i1156.photobucket.com/albums/p569/Vincebertolini/57e31b7cb04104662ba2a03b9ad6f7e9.jpg)
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He's living in my avatar and he has a message for you:
(http://i1156.photobucket.com/albums/p569/Vincebertolini/57e31b7cb04104662ba2a03b9ad6f7e9.jpg)
good one ;D
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good one ;D
Just another steroid dude that will fail or some hoe down the street that don't give a shit about him.
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Just another steroid dude that will failf or some hoe down the street that don't give a shit about him.
yep, that could be, but then you got fellas like me who are superficial fucks and in turn are terrified of emotional closeness with a female so this practice of juicing up fits in rather nicely for them
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yep, that could be, but then you got fellas like me who are superficial fucks and in turn are terrified of emotional closeness with a female so this practice of juicing up fits in rather nicely for them
Well if you cant be close then fill yourself will roids for what? What are you trying to achieve days go by quickly what will you do at 60 if you make it?
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Well if you cant be close then fill yourself will roids for what? What are you trying to achieve days go by quickly what will you do at 60 if you make it?
well man, i like to be outstanding (truth be told)
and being physically outstanding is very obvious and it's as easy to hide
AJ once said something like this "money and intelligence can be easily hidden, but an outstanding physique is obvious to all"
who the hell knows man, maybe i'll find the special female who can save me from all of this, but you already know that i sorta found one of them already and i fucked it up
but that's my cross to bear brother
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wow you guys are still going at it.
Okay no more EQ, I changed my mind. This thread settles it.
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well man, i like to be outstanding (truth be told)
and being physically outstanding is very obvious and it's as easy to hide
AJ once said something like this "money and intelligence can be easily hidden, but an outstanding physique is obvious to all"
who the hell knows man, maybe i'll find the special female who can save me from all of this, but you already know that i sorta found one of them already and i fucked it up
but that's my cross to bear brother
wow.... you are a bitch.
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he didn't. he was lazy with drugs.. at least PED's... and no way in hell is chris 5'10", and I doubt he's been 4%. you should probably should not talk about things you know nothing about.
Cormier used to come to Vegas all the time. Guy was not that smart about gear. Everytime doses and kinds of gear was brought up, he acted like the kinds and amounts weren't that big a deal. Real basic stuff was all he said he took. Obviously he was genetically elite, but he always said guys made everything way to complicated.
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wow you guys are still going at it.
Okay no more EQ, I changed my mind. This thread settles it.
LOL...the thread has just ruined equipoise for you ;D
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wow.... you are a bitch.
so bitches are honest then right
you're an angry asshole and i'm glad that i don't know you or nor would i like to know you
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Ladies get your own room and do your bitch slapping there. This is the EQ thread lol
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well man, i like to be outstanding (truth be told)
and being physically outstanding is very obvious and it's as easy to hide
AJ once said something like this "money and intelligence can be easily hidden, but an outstanding physique is obvious to all"
who the hell knows man, maybe i'll find the special female who can save me from all of this, but you already know that i sorta found one of them already and i fucked it up
but that's my cross to bear brother
why don't you stop turning every thread into an open surgery on the mess that goes on inside your head
this is the steroid board not another excuse for you to spout meaningless shit in every thread
just because you are scared to post on the g and o now doesn't give you the right to fuck this place up
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Picking up some eq today.
Will report back next year when I start feeling something :-\
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Picking up some eq today.
Will report back next year when I start feeling something :-\
LOL-you have to shoot the whole 10ml vial a week, so buy alot. maybe they will misslabel it and you will get Tren-A then you will feel something or maybe you will get Test E. Anybody notice real EQ kind of has a Tren-Hex look? EQ is a little more golden then other compounds. It has that kind of leather smell as well.. I think labs could get away with using TrenA or Tren-Hex and label it as EQ. newbies wouldn't know.
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LOL-you have to shoot the whole 10ml vial a week, so buy alot. maybe they will misslabel it and you will get Tren-A then you will feel something or maybe you will get Test E. Anybody notice real EQ kind of has a Tren-Hex look? EQ is a little more golden then other compounds. It has that kind of leather smell as well.. I think labs could get away with using TrenA or Tren-Hex and label it as EQ. newbies wouldn't know.
this. different hormones have different smells and tastes. You can close my eyes and take three syringes....squrt deca on one hand,test in the other, and eq in the other...I can tell you which one is which with my eyes closed.
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LOL-you have to shoot the whole 10ml vial a week, so buy alot. maybe they will misslabel it and you will get Tren-A then you will feel something or maybe you will get Test E. Anybody notice real EQ kind of has a Tren-Hex look? EQ is a little more golden then other compounds. It has that kind of leather smell as well.. I think labs could get away with using TrenA or Tren-Hex and label it as EQ. newbies wouldn't know.
Yeah I certainly wouldn't know if it was something else but the guy I'm getting is a vet supplier.
And since its a low dose vet grade eq I have to do a whole vial at a time...oh fuck ;D
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Yeah I certainly wouldn't know if it was something else but the guy I'm getting is a vet supplier.
And since its a low dose vet grade eq I have to do a whole vial at a time...oh fuck ;D
Yes if it is REAL vet grade like the old ganabol it is probably 50mg per ml so you will be go through a 50ml jug in no time. stock up on pins
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I made a test e/tren ace mix (about 120/50 mix if I recall) and moved it to a guy who wanted eq-cyp by accident (custom blend I put it in the same bottels as eq)... the guy comes back in a week saying "dude, this is the strongest fucking EQ I've ever had! give me 10 more."... haha... needless to say I made the same mix for him... overall didn't cut into the profit much since it was only 500mg tren/bottle and the rest was test... but he loved it. haha.
so you knowingly sold a guy fake shit. your a scumbag
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so you knowingly sold a guy fake shit. your a scumbag
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listen you little punk, the guy got $600 worth of product for $300... stick to things you know about.
fake shit? you're the son of a pussy-assed father who doesn't have the balls to raise his children right. i'd be surprised if your high school diploma isn't fake.
Look, I dont care if the guy asked you for npp and you sold him fucking primo. He asked for EQ, expected eq, and you sold him something else.
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you can eat a bowl of dicks as well, fa ggot... matter of fact, so can your mother.
i'm a 'scumbag' because I gave the guy BETTER PRODUCT than what he was expecting? He was expecting EQ results, not TREN results and was more than HAPPY you little guy.
AND at a fucking cheaper price.. holy fuck.. are you fucking inbred? do you lack the chromosomes and cognitive ability to comprehend that?
it's like expecting and paying for ephedrine and getting cocaine you braindead moron.
stick to your 'prohormones' you fucking punk bitch.
It has nothing to do with that. now the guy is going to go around ordering eq expecting the same results, (which he is not going to get) and he's going to curse the other sources out for selling him "bunk" He's then going to come on message boards claiming that most equipoise on the market is "fake". You hurt him more then helped him.
You could of just told the guy you mislabeled and accidently sold him tren, and he would of bought more tren and you would of made more money. y
congratulations, you managed to lose $300 of profit while being a scumbag at the same time. you really are a fucking idiot haha
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you can eat a bowl of dicks as well, fa ggot... matter of fact, so can your mother.
i'm a 'scumbag' because I gave the guy BETTER PRODUCT than what he was expecting? He was expecting EQ results, not TREN results and was more than HAPPY you little guy.
AND at a fucking cheaper price.. holy fuck.. are you fucking inbred? do you lack the chromosomes and cognitive ability to comprehend that?
it's like expecting and paying for ephedrine and getting cocaine you braindead moron.
stick to your 'prohormones' you fucking punk bitch.
hahaha
Settle down there Lucille!
Fact is a real man would've manned up and told him he made him a mistake. Now the guy is gonna go through life thinking eq cyp is the shit, telling everyone how great it is....cause you were too scared to tell him you fucked up.
We're you scared of him?
Are you only a man on the net and a bitch irl bro?
I think so...
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It has nothing to do with that. now the guy is going to go around ordering eq expecting the same results, (which he is not going to get) and he's going to curse the other sources out for selling him "bunk" He's then going to come on message boards claiming that most equipoise on the market is "fake". You hurt him more then helped him.
You could of just told the guy you mislabeled and accidently sold him tren, and he would of bought more tren and you would of made more money. y
congratulations, you managed to lose $300 of profit while being a scumbag at the same time. you really are a fucking idiot haha
Exactly.
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Exactly.
he's sunken his own ship several times on here already, im sure it wont be the last ;D
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you can eat a bowl of dicks as well, fa ggot... matter of fact, so can your mother.
i'm a 'scumbag' because I gave the guy BETTER PRODUCT than what he was expecting? He was expecting EQ results, not TREN results and was more than HAPPY you little guy.
AND at a fucking cheaper price.. holy fuck.. are you fucking inbred? do you lack the chromosomes and cognitive ability to comprehend that?
it's like expecting and paying for ephedrine and getting cocaine you braindead moron.
stick to your 'prohormones' you fucking punk bitch.
Every time you get called out or your opinion is challenged you burst into a homophobic rage. Time to lower the dose, buddy.
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you're a fucking moron. I feel sorry for your family and co-workers.
Honestly bro, the right thing to do would have been to tell him you screwed up and level with him. He'd probably want to buy the last shit you sold him, so now your customer has stepped up to a more expensive compound, is happier, and you're making more money.
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At least he's outed himself as an unreliable source here and not gonna generate any business from the site.
Inb4 "I don't need this site to make sales"...
sure, but you need to lie to make them sales them irl ::)
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At least he's outed himself as an unreliable source here and not gonna generate any business from the site.
Inb4 "I don't need this site to make sales"...
sure, but you need to lie to make them sales them irl ::)
haha
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only had a lil bit of eq cyp left and he knew I wasn't getting any more, and the dude is reckless with his gear, not like he was gonna freak out and get all anal about what he was using.
thats my point... tell the dude "oops I screwed uo that was test/tren instead of EQ", dude was so happy with the results that he starts ordering the test/tren on the regular, hes happier with the results, youre selling a more expensive product..... everyone wins.
business 101...... instead of lying and him buying EQ expecting tren results.....
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I need to lie? dude you're fucking clueless.
you telling me you know my biz and my customers better than I do? the dude is an ex ifbb pro... and a pain in the ass. if he's unhappy with anything, he lets me know. he came to me after getting burned time after time with bunk and underdosed shit from a couple other local guys, and he's stayed with me for over two years and sent plenty of business to me.
I get "dude, are you sure this primo (ace, oral) is 20mg? because it feels like 30mg" it's between 20-23mg/ml.
or "dude, i'm getting acne from the test, can you re-filter it?" and I either exchange what he had or run it through a .45 syringe filter just to make him happy.
or "dude, this tren seized up my lungs everytime I shoot it"... and he's shooting 3cc of 150mg/ml tren ace... no fucking shit you'r gonna feel it in your lungs and taste in in your mouth.
or "dude, can you make me some primo ace in safflower oil instead of grapeseed... it's clearer and biologically cleaner and safer for the hormone"... wtf... sure dude, but it's a batch just for you, gonna cost you a couple hundred extra and you gotta buy the whole lot because ppl see different color oils and they're gonna get suspicious... "no problem dude, i'll give you an extra 300, just be sure it's clean" ughh...
or "dude, can you get clyclophenyl proprionate? if you've never used it, you've never been in the best shape of your life! it's test that doesn't aromatize" ... me, "no. can't get it. got test ace, test prop, test phenyl prop, test base, ect... all test aromatizes".... him, "no dude, the clyco prevents an enzyme... I was almost a doctor".... me 'oh ok, i'll see what I can do'. ::)
..... if there is ANY problem with ANY of the shit the guy buys, I hear about it. It's overdosed, it's giving me acne, it's making me cough, it's making me sweat, ect...
how the fuck are you gonna tell me about MY business? about people I KNOW and see daily?
this is why I don't bother with people online, because of little BITCHES like you who do 2 cycles of pro-hormones and think you know what the fuck you're talking about.
Did not read but thanks for the meltdown.
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he buys tren anyways... he buys everything he can.
so then he buys more of your tren/eq mix.
Dude justify it however you want but you should have leveled with the duse instead of letting him think hes getting such spectacular results from something he wasnt even taking.
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truth hurts, huh bitch?
You already proved to be incapable of telling the truth.
*Maybe someone else will take this shady dealers advice seriously but I'm done with him.
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Guys this isn't really an open board discussion at this point. So, get past it or i'm locking this thread.
ESFitness, i get your point and i also believe it's better to be honest. You put yourself out there to get some heat, so just calm down and roll with the punches. I don't mind you telling stories like these on the board, but you have to understand that people are going to be bothered by it. I personally would be very upset if i was sold something that wasn't labeled right. I get your point though.
This is why i don't like talking about making and selling gear on an open forum. This kind of talk doesn't belong here.
You guys are more than welcome to continue this EQ discussion, but i'm deleting anymore pissing matches about how ES chooses to do his business. We don't discuss source information for a reason. A lot of sources do things that would surprise all of us, at least ES is being open about it, for what it's worth he's informing people of how this game works in many ways.
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Overload, the guy claims he was 260 pounds on stage...yet has never posted a picture showing anything more than a 200lb guy
makes up lies continuously
melts down at least 15 times per week
I just find it fucked up for a guy to throw out advice so blatantly when he's probably making it all up. best case scenerio- guy follows his advice and gets a massive gut and ruins his lines and chance at an aesthetic physique forever. Worst case some kid hurts himself.
He claims he has a 20 year old girlfriend and is in his twenties i believe. He claims he knew everything that happened between dante and craig titus in the 1990's and was "in their circle"....but what doesnt make sense to me is those guys are in their 40's ???.
he simply can't be trusted and i wouldnt be suprised if half of his stories were made up.
lastly esf making up shit about a guys personality you know absolutely nothing about is a sign of defeat
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The gear board hasn't seen a 10-pager in awhile. I feel you Overload, were in your playground here...but this has been a great thread 8)
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The gear board hasn't seen a 10-pager in awhile. I feel you Overload, were in your playground here...but this has been a great thread 8)
But aren't you wondering if you got tren instead of eq now ;D
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I feel what you guys are saying.
I'm just trying to be impartial and moderate the board so everyone can enjoy it.
I'm not here to judge people or take sides.
This board has always been more controlled and less like the G&O for a reason.
Feel free to argue all you want, but the back and forth personal attacks are not welcome here.
This thread is a great read though.
Flinstones, i understand what you are saying my friend. That's one of the issues on the internet, when things aren't at face value it makes everything harder to believe. We can choose to believe him or not, but at the end of the day you have to just take everything on here with a grain of salt.
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This isn't a shot at you I'm just wondering is there a reason why you run so much gear but only weigh 200lbs?
I've asked you how you much you weigh in your methyltrien thread but you didn't answer so I assume it's not something you like to talk about I guess this is why.
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I dont agree with selling ppl other stuff than what they ask
But i think esf is legit
Respect
Madg
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Overload, the guy claims he was 260 pounds on stage...yet has never posted a picture showing anything more than a 200lb guy
makes up lies continuously
melts down at least 15 times per week
I just find it fucked up for a guy to throw out advice so blatantly when he's probably making it all up. best case scenerio- guy follows his advice and gets a massive gut and ruins his lines and chance at an aesthetic physique forever. Worst case some kid hurts himself.
He claims he has a 20 year old girlfriend and is in his twenties i believe. He claims he knew everything that happened between dante and craig titus in the 1990's and was "in their circle"....but what doesnt make sense to me is those guys are in their 40's ???.
he simply can't be trusted and i wouldnt be suprised if half of his stories were made up.
lastly esf making up shit about a guys personality you know absolutely nothing about is a sign of defeat
what you claiming to weigh these days then big guy?
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Lol when I saw this thread made it to 9 pages I was like holly fuck EQ must really have a stimulating effect to it. All I got to say at the end of everything I read is realistically some body is not doing any illegal crime to do anything but make a profit. If I got sold some T-bol that turned out to be D-bol I honestly wouldn't even be mad I just would say fuck it happens at least I got something and go to a new source. I mean if some body is doing a competition and it means so much to them to have real primobolan or real tren they should try the stuff out a few months ahead of time and make sure it is real just to be safe. I always prepare for the worst and hope for the best.
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Overload, the guy claims he was 260 pounds on stage...yet has never posted a picture showing anything more than a 200lb guy
makes up lies continuously
melts down at least 15 times per week
I just find it fucked up for a guy to throw out advice so blatantly when he's probably making it all up. best case scenerio- guy follows his advice and gets a massive gut and ruins his lines and chance at an aesthetic physique forever. Worst case some kid hurts himself.
He claims he has a 20 year old girlfriend and is in his twenties i believe. He claims he knew everything that happened between dante and craig titus in the 1990's and was "in their circle"....but what doesnt make sense to me is those guys are in their 40's ???.
he simply can't be trusted and i wouldnt be suprised if half of his stories were made up.
lastly esf making up shit about a guys personality you know absolutely nothing about is a sign of defeat
to be fair you hade your own share of meltdowns in this thread to :D
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I've never noticed any difference with esters and I am a strength athlete.
50mg of test prop a day feels the same as 250mg of enanthate every 5 days.
And I feel the same the day after an injection as well, definitely starts working a few hours post injection with longer esters I can feel it.
Never noticed a difference in strength with longer and shorter esters either. Generally the day after an injection is good irrespective of ester. So I pin twice a week.
Ultimately it comes down to cost. If prop REALLY helps with strength, there is no way that it would help more than increasing the cheaper long esters.
Tren Ace 75 costs 75% of a bottle of Tren Enanthate 200. Which am I going to get? hmmm.... the enanthate lol
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I've never noticed any difference with esters and I am a strength athlete.
50mg of test prop a day feels the same as 250mg of enanthate every 5 days.
And I feel the same the day after an injection as well, definitely starts working a few hours post injection with longer esters I can feel it.
Never noticed a difference in strength with longer and shorter esters either. Generally the day after an injection is good irrespective of ester. So I pin twice a week.
Ultimately it comes down to cost. If prop REALLY helps with strength, there is no way that it would help more than increasing the cheaper long esters.
Tren Ace 75 costs 75% of a bottle of Tren Enanthate 200. Which am I going to get? hmmm.... the enanthate lol
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now tren is another story bro. Tren ace is the way to go, studies on mice show it to be more effective as well. tren enanthate is a shitty drug, flattens you out too.
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Eq is my favorite drug,i use it as a base instead of test,it gives a unique square look to me while grow me nice and steady,only side i have is a bit of anxiety if i dont shoot it eod and this is wierd
But to be honest i havent noticed any stimulant effect anf i use eq a lot
Respect
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Eq is my favorite drug,i use it as a base instead of test,it gives a unique square look to me while grow me nice and steady,only side i have is a bit of anxiety if i dont shoot it eod and this is wierd
But to be honest i havent noticed any stimulant effect anf i use eq a lot
Respect
I was reading up on this drug and it appears that the increase red blood cell production contributes to those sides like increase in bp and axiety.
The increase in blood thickness makes your heart work harder putting a lot of strain on it, so it seems donating blood or even taking a baby aspirin helps.
Have you ever had to resort to anything like that??
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Eq is my favorite drug,i use it as a base instead of test,it gives a unique square look to me while grow me nice and steady,only side i have is a bit of anxiety if i dont shoot it eod and this is wierd
But to be honest i havent noticed any stimulant effect anf i use eq a lot
Respect
did gh15 kick you off his board bro?
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I was reading up on this drug and it appears that the increase red blood cell production contributes to those sides like increase in bp and axiety.
The increase in blood thickness makes your heart work harder putting a lot of strain on it, so it seems donating blood or even taking a baby aspirin helps.
Have you ever had to resort to anything like that??
I wouldn't dude. The increased RBC count will help deliver nutrients to your muscles more efficiently and help athletic performance. The higher the better.
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I wouldn't dude. The increased RBC count will help deliver nutrients to your muscles more efficiently and help athletic performance. The higher the better.
Yeah I could see how it could take away from some of the benefits I'm looking from this drug like increased vascularity for one. I mean all steroids increase rbc to an extent so if I haven't had anxiety or high bp from any of them I don't expect to from eq. *knock on wood*
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I wouldn't dude. The increased RBC count will help deliver nutrients to your muscles more efficiently and help athletic performance. The higher the better.
this. On eq i can run much longer and i have more stamina in the gym for longer sessions
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this. On eq i can run much longer and i have more stamina in the gym for longer sessions
you run?
how much, how far and how often?
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http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php
I was reading up on this drug and it appears that the increase red blood cell production contributes to those sides like increase in bp and anxiety.
The increase in blood thickness makes your heart work harder putting a lot of strain on it, so it seems donating blood or even taking a baby aspirin helps.
Have you ever had to resort to anything like that??
Can't find the exact place I saw this one but it seemed legit. Anxiety is a mood disorder, one thing for sure is that it mimics real health concerns which could be caused by other things like an abnormal rbc count.
I'm wondering how you guys can distinguish between anxiety and real health issues...for those that have experienced it from gear ofc.
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did gh15 kick you off his board bro?
Hello flin
Yes long time ago
Respect
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I was reading up on this drug and it appears that the increase red blood cell production contributes to those sides like increase in bp and axiety.
The increase in blood thickness makes your heart work harder putting a lot of strain on it, so it seems donating blood or even taking a baby aspirin helps.
Have you ever had to resort to anything like that??
No my man ,i never have bp problems and my rbc only slightly elevated but nothing ro wory about i get bloods test often
Respect
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Can't find the exact place I saw this one but it seemed legit. Anxiety is a mood disorder, one thing for sure is that it mimics real health concerns which could be caused by other things like an abnormal rbc count.
I'm wondering how you guys can distinguish between anxiety and real health issues...for those that have experienced it from gear ofc.
Im buds with 2 top NPC superheavies here in the states. Both go and dump blood every 4 weeks for health reasons.
Not my level of expertise but I can't help but agree with them. Super high RBC count = good to an extent but the thicker your blood gets, the higher chance of stroke/heart issues. Dumping blood once a month is NOT going to interfere with your growth.
My buddy says his biggest reason for dumping is NOT for "health reasons" but because of that shitty/toxic feeling that you get on 7grams of gear a week. Much of that feeling is crazy high RBC count.
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Im buds with 2 top NPC superheavies here in the states. Both go and dump blood every 4 weeks for health reasons.
Not my level of expertise but I can't help but agree with them. Super high RBC count = good to an extent but the thicker your blood gets, the higher chance of stroke/heart issues. Dumping blood once a month is NOT going to interfere with your growth.
My buddy says his biggest reason for dumping is NOT for "health reasons" but because of that shitty/toxic feeling that you get on 7grams of gear a week. Much of that feeling is crazy high RBC count.
I blast around 4g for years now and i agree with your friend although i need donate once every 10-12 weeks ysually at end of blast
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Can't find the exact place I saw this one but it seemed legit. Anxiety is a mood disorder, one thing for sure is that it mimics real health concerns which could be caused by other things like an abnormal rbc count.
I'm wondering how you guys can distinguish between anxiety and real health issues...for those that have experienced it from gear ofc.
I get the anxiety around 2 weeks in high dose eq and it goes away around week 5-7 when my body adjust to dosage
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I blast around 4g for years now and i agree with your friend although i need donate once every 10-12 weeks ysually at end of blast
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any problems madg? liver kidneys? 4 grams is alot
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good stuff here chiro and madg thanks..
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any problems madg? liver kidneys? 4 grams is alot
No my man,never problem i never drink or do rec drugs,most ppl get problem cause of this and aas use but never admit it
4g is alot yes but since health in check ..why not ?
Also depend on drugs if im on tren+mast+ dboll it wont be 4g of course,long esters then yes around 4g
Hope all is well for u flin,long time since we talked
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I've never noticed any difference with esters and I am a strength athlete.
50mg of test prop a day feels the same as 250mg of enanthate every 5 days.
And I feel the same the day after an injection as well, definitely starts working a few hours post injection with longer esters I can feel it.
Never noticed a difference in strength with longer and shorter esters either. Generally the day after an injection is good irrespective of ester. So I pin twice a week.
Ultimately it comes down to cost. If prop REALLY helps with strength, there is no way that it would help more than increasing the cheaper long esters.
Tren Ace 75 costs 75% of a bottle of Tren Enanthate 200. Which am I going to get? hmmm.... the enanthate lol
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now tren is another story bro. Tren ace is the way to go, studies on mice show it to be more effective as well. tren enanthate is a shitty drug, flattens you out too.
3.5ml a week of tren ace at 75mg/ml
3.5ml a week of tren e at 200mg/ml
Similar price, one will work a whole lot better. No contest for me. I'm a powerlifter so have no idea what being flat is and don't really care lol
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this. On eq i can run much longer and i have more stamina in the gym for longer sessions
I say you could probably get up to 7.5 days a week on weights and run 12 hours a day and hit the Europa next year then on to the Mr O and take Heath down. Genes rule.
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I say you could probably get up to 7.5 days a week on weights and run 12 hours a day and hit the Europa next year then on to the Mr O and take Heath down. Genes rule.
why do you keep throwing this Mr. Ho into the mix man?
most peeps who juice just want to look outstanding and better than almost all others and there's no desire to stand on stage and "compete" in a contest
(http://www.joeweider.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Zane.Arnold.jpg)
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why do you keep throwing this Mr. Ho into the mix man?
most peeps who juice just want to look outstanding and better than almost all others and there's no desire to stand on stage and "compete" in a contest
(http://www.joeweider.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Zane.Arnold.jpg)
Thats because they don't have genes to make the big show but keep believing they do then wake up one day and say why did I do that?
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Thats because they don't have genes to make the big show but keep believing they do then wake up one day and say why did I do that?
do you really think so?
i'd say most fellas (if they are honest with themselves) juice to look outstanding and not to compete in shows
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do you really think so?
i'd say most fellas (if they are honest with themselves) juice to look outstanding and not to compete in shows
A poor excuse to jeopardize health. All about a poor self image is all it is, a bunch of twinks feel good about themselves and have hot women. Many women are not even turned on by muscles. I have been dropped for twinks before and being muscular and tall fucked with my mind. So I had to investigate why.
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No my man,never problem i never drink or do rec drugs,most ppl get problem cause of this and aas use but never admit it
4g is alot yes but since health in check ..why not ?
Also depend on drugs if im on tren+mast+ dboll it wont be 4g of course,long esters then yes around 4g
Hope all is well for u flin,long time since we talked
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too long bro lets catch up in pm sometime