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Some footage that I have never seen...check out how thick he is at 3:17 :o
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dorian yates looks so much better on video than he does in pictures
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Great clip, thanks for posting.
Dorian is the fcuking man.
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Great clip, thanks for posting.
Dorian is the fcuking man.
Ronnie was better......
;D
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are you suggesting otther dorian vids are uncool??????? >:( >:( >:( >:(
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I still dont understand why he stated that his 1994 condition was off. ???
He was grany hard in 1994 also.
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Great back
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I still dont understand why he stated that his 1994 condition was off. ???
He was grany hard in 1994 also.
he was noticably holding water in 94 relative to the year before.
read musclemag's contest review. they talk about this several times.
it was more than just the injury that caused the world to see dorian's gift in 1994.
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he was noticably holding water in 94 relative to the year before.
read musclemag's contest review. they talk about this several times.
it was more than just the injury that caused the world to see dorian's gift in 1994.
You're a fucking liar plain and simple . I have the magazine coverage from Musclemag and NO WHERE does it say he's holding water
Musclemag International Feb 1995
On the 1994 Mr Olympia
Was it after all a luckywin? I chose to use the word " lucky " because without a doubt there was an element of luck involved in Dorian's third consecutive Mr. O title . He was far from his best.
I would NOT not wish the reader to leave these pages thinking that the Sandow had been given a handout. THAT WOULD BE FAR FROM THE TRUTH.
stop making shit up , it makes look even more pathetic than you already are
Dorian's problems in 94 were his torn bicep , bloated gut and runny tan
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dorian yates looks so much better on video than he does in pictures
He looked even better in person.
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he was noticably holding water in 94 relative to the year before.
read musclemag's contest review. they talk about this several times.
it was more than just the injury that caused the world to see dorian's gift in 1994.
Yes, his lack of conditioning here in 94 made him look like a water balloon. I have no idea how he won. Just look at this flub ::):
(http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg227/bigdoggie74/94.jpg)
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dorian yates looks so much better on video than he does in pictures
It is kind of weird. If you look at his legs in the 93 video, or saw him in person, they were huge from all angles. That's what the audience, judges, and competitors saw.
Sometimes in pics, they look skinny straight on from the front, almost 2 dimensional, so it's easy to these how those who have never been to shows and don't understand contest judging can be fooled.
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Yes, his lack of conditioning here in 94 made him look like a water balloon. I have no idea how he won. Just look at this flub ::):
(http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg227/bigdoggie74/94.jpg)
Hulkster is an outright liar , he's tried this lie before he claimed even Shawn Ray commented on Dorian's loss of hardness from 93 to 94 , now he's trying to change it to MuscleMag
the kid can't keep track of his lies.
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he was noticably holding water in 94 relative to the year before.
read musclemag's contest review. they talk about this several times.
it was more than just the injury that caused the world to see dorian's gift in 1994.
I know, himself stated that i think.
But, really i cant see any water retention there!
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I know, himself stated that i think.
But, really i cant see any water retention there!
There is none that's just Hulkster trolling
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And shawn was absolutely destroyed there.
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There is none that's just Hulkster trolling
musclemag disagrees with you. and they have forgotten more than you have ever known.
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its easy to see the water retention compared to the year before.
not sure why the moronic nuthuggers are in denial about this.
its been a known fact for 15 years.. ::)
some people are just dense, I guess.
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musclemag disagrees with you. and they have forgotten more than you have ever known.
Moron I juts posted their quote
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its easy to see the water retention compared to the year before.
not sure why the moronic nuthuggers are in denial about this.
its been a known fact for 15 years.. ::)
some people are just dense, I guess.
Typical stupid Hulkster reply , post two pics and say " See " ::)
you're a lying troll run along your stupidity is boring
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You're a fucking liar plain and simple . I have the magazine coverage from Musclemag and NO WHERE does it say he's holding water
Musclemag International Feb 1995
On the 1994 Mr Olympia
Was it after all a luckywin? I chose to use the word " lucky " because without a doubt there was an element of luck involved in Dorian's third consecutive Mr. O title . He was far from his best.
I would NOT not wish the reader to leave these pages thinking that the Sandow had been given a handout. THAT WOULD BE FAR FROM THE TRUTH.
stop making shit up , it makes look even more pathetic than you already are
Dorian's problems in 94 were his torn bicep , bloated gut and runny tan
hey flower boy, post the quote from the same article about dorian's lower back and how it filled and softened compared to the year before . funny how you post some quotes and ignore others hoping that we are stupid enough not to know them.. ::)
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ND thinks he is the only person who ever read or had the 94 olympia review in musclemag..
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thats what he hopes for- so he can quote some parts and pretend other quotes were never printed.. ::)
oh, and flip to the front of the mag ND, thats were they called dorian the 'one armed bandit'..
oh wait, your hoping that no one knows about that line..
what a loser. ::)
1994 was nowhere near 1993:
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Typical stupid Hulkster reply , post two pics and say " See " ::)
you're a lying troll run along your stupidity is boring
In all fairness he is holding considerbly more water in 94 then in 93. He still looks impressive however, and this win over Shawn doesn't bother me nearly as much as when he won in 96.
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In all fairness he is holding considerbly more water in 94 then in 93.
thank you.
but morons like ND are in denial of history.
its sad. really really sad.
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In all fairness he is holding considerbly more water in 94 then in 93. He still looks impressive however, and this win over Shawn doesn't bother me nearly as much as when he won in 96.
No he's not
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thank you.
but morons like ND are in denial of history.
its sad. really really sad.
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Irony alert , you've made a GetBig career out of denying history and trying to rewrite to fit your ignorant point of view
in fact you've gone so far as out right lying , first it was Shawn said Dorian wasn't as hard , and after I corrected you on that you tried MuscleMag said it and once again I corrected you on that , what's next? Flex said he wasn't as hard? ::)
Added Rockell: Dorian had a SLIGHT injury but as far as I'm concerned , it had NO bearing whatsoever. He was just so dense it made no overall difference. Paul's major deficiencies were in his back : not enough muscularity for his large frame. also basic stamina throughout was in question ; during call-outs , he was breathing heavy and bending over.
Kevin has it all but was a little soft in prejudging , which hurt him. He wasn't quite as sharp as Shawn , but it was very close between second and third. It came down to the posedown ( Which Shawn won by a single point ).
Here is an IFBB judge who was live at the contest who mentions Dorian's density ( hardness ) and how Kevin was soft in the prejudging but NO mention of this on Dorian
keep typing bullshit and I'll keep correcting it via experts ;)
and what's really , really sad is YOU being in yet another Dorian Yates thread spewing your bullshit
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ND thinks he is the only person who ever read or had the 94 olympia review in musclemag..
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thats what he hopes for- so he can quote some parts and pretend other quotes were never printed.. ::)
oh, and flip to the front of the mag ND, thats were they called dorian the 'one armed bandit'..
oh wait, your hoping that no one knows about that line..
what a loser. ::)
1994 was nowhere near 1993:
You're right about one thing , Dorian wasn't as good as 1993 but he was still eons better than everyone else.
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hulkster is such a lowlife troll
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hulkster is such a lowlife troll
That's all he is , anytime he see's Dorian's name he trolls is bullshit can't stay out of any Yates thread .
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Thanks again for proving my point , you have nothing as usual and are nothing but a troll.
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LOL
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LOL
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hulkster is such a lowlife troll
LOL
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I love how just because someone knows his history, does not live in denial, backs up all his points with real life visuals (and doesn't pretend quotes that don't fit my agenda do not exist) and won't let others pass off pure bullshit for fact makes me a 'troll'
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sorry, but if that makes me a troll so be it.
I'd rather be a troll that posts intelligent real facts than a delusional fanboy who rewrites history just because he didn't like it.. ::)
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I love how just because someone knows his history, does not live in denial, backs up all his points with real life visuals (and doesn't pretend quotes that don't fit my agenda do not exist) and won't let others pass off pure bullshit for fact makes me a 'troll'
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sorry, but if that makes me a troll so be it.
I'd rather be a troll that posts intelligent real facts than a delusional fanboy who rewrites history just because he didn't like it.. ::)
This is hands down the biggest bullshit post you ever typed by far , congrats you out did yourself ;)
What makes you a troll seeing you asked is , you're in yet another Yates thread , spewing your bullshit and to the contrary you've never been able to back up any of the outrageous claims you've made , you relay heavily on flawed logic , appeals to numbers , ad homein attacks , race appeals , your totally ignorant on how contests are judged , you constantly contradict bodybuilding history and have been corrected on here by many eye witnesses , and even Professionals like Bob Chick and Kevin Horton nevermind how many times I've corrected you and you've been busted out right lying about quotes and knowingly using enhanced pictures to TRY and back up your claim LMMFAO you've never once attempted to elaborate on any of your empty claims , all you do is post pics and make insanely stupid claims and say ' see '
another perfect example of how much of a troll you are is you're on vacation in Cozumel and what do you do? troll on GetBig LMFAO fucking loser
you prove me right with every post
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LOL
Flowerboy melting down yet again.
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another perfect example of how much of a troll you are is you're on vacation in Cozumel and what do you do? troll on GetBig LMFAO fucking loser
ps I am not in Cozumel anymore you idiotic retard..
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No he's not
How do you figure? The shots speak for themselves... that isn't to take anything away from Dorian, as even when he is holding a slight film of water, his conditioning is damn impressive?
Just the Facts ma'mm....
Also I have no horse in the epic battle that is ND vs. Hulkster.... in fact I still say that Getbig bankrolls a peace summit between you two. :D
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How do you figure? The shots speak for themselves... that isn't to take anything away from Dorian, as even when he is holding a slight film of water, his conditioning is damn impressive?
Just the Facts ma'mm....
Also I have no horse in the epic battle that is ND vs. Hulkster.... in fact I still say that Getbig bankrolls a peace summit between you two. :D
He's not holding water if he was I would admit it , he's simply not conditioning wasn't his problem in 94 , hit was the tan , the bicep and his bloated gut
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ps I am not in Cozumel anymore you idiotic retard..
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Shall I bring up the posts from when you were? ;) I can do it if you like?
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gayer than arguing about a gay article in a gay mens magazine
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ND and hulkster should get married
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Hulkster & Dorian should get married
Fixed , he's the one who can't stay away
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Hulkster, while you are entitled to your opinion, you are such a troll. The only way you can attempt to back up your bullshit claims is to make up what this or that magazine said, only to be proven completely wrong by the truth. It's fine that you obsessively hate Dorian, however, you constantly make an ass out of yourself doing so.
Was Dorian off in 94 compared to 93 and/or 95/96? Yes, I think he was; tearing a bicep and ceasing training weeks before the contest will cause that. Did he still deserve to win? Absolutely--he completely outmassed Ray and was essentially equal on conditioning. He was that good. Face it.
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Hulkster, while you are entitled to your opinion, you are such a troll. The only way you can attempt to back up your bullshit claims is to make up what this or that magazine said, only to be proven completely wrong by the truth. It's fine that you obsessively hate Dorian, however, you constantly make an ass out of yourself doing so.
Was Dorian off in 94 compared to 93 and/or 95/96? Yes, I think he was; tearing a bicep and ceasing training weeks before the contest will cause that. Did he still deserve to win? Absolutely--he completely outmassed Ray and was essentially equal on conditioning. He was that good. Face it.
Quote for truth !
He's stupid and a troll that's a bad combo
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For sure. It's one thing to prefer Ronnie over Dorian, or to even argue that others may have deserved a Mr. O or two--it's a subjective sport. But Hulkster's hate for Dorian, for whatever reason it exists, is getting creepy.
Dorian looked absolutely huge in that video at approx. 3:17 guestposing in 94. That must have been shortly before or after the Mr. O. The Diesel was badass!
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For sure. It's one thing to prefer Ronnie over Dorian, or to even argue that others may have deserved a Mr. O or two--it's a subjective sport. But Hulkster's hate for Dorian, for whatever reason it exists, is getting creepy.
Dorian looked absolutely huge in that video at approx. 3:17 guestposing in 94. That must have been shortly before or after the Mr. O. The Diesel was badass!
It is getting sad now , I mean seriously even people who agree Ronnie are better are distancing themselves from his creepiness
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LOL yes, because Royal Lion believes Ronnie is better LOL
he has been a classic guy for a long time now.
see the truce thread that you ran away from.. ::)
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But Hulkster's hate for Dorian, for whatever reason it exists, is getting creepy.
I don't have any hate for dorian- none at all.
I just enjoy getting a rise out of moronic nuthuggers like ND and Co..
and it works every time, you all are so simple.
I have a rep to uphold you know.
you really think I spend my time plotting ways to putdown dorian on getbig? LOL
fuck no. but all I have to do is post about how ronnie is better, and all you morons freak out.
you have to show your manlove for dorian at every opportunity.
its so sad. and yet funny at the same time. ;)
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I don't have any hate for dorian- none at all.
I just enjoy getting a rise out of moronic nuthuggers like ND and Co..
and it works every time, you all are so simple.
I have a rep to uphold you know.
you really think I spend my time plotting ways to putdown dorian on getbig? LOL
fuck no. but all I have to do is post about how ronnie is better, and all you morons freak out.
you have to show your manlove for dorian at every opportunity.
its so sad. and yet funny at the same time. ;)
The old I'm just doing it to get a rise out of people ploy ::) even entertaining that were true that makes you just as much as a loser and confirms that you are indeed nothing more than a troll ;)
but we all know it's not a ploy with you , you actually believe the nonsense you babble on about so you're fuck either way kid and everyone knows how much of a loser you are , I mean who goes on vacation in Mexico only to post on GetBig about how Ronnie was better? ;)
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LOL yes, because Royal Lion believes Ronnie is better LOL
he has been a classic guy for a long time now.
see the truce thread that you ran away from.. ::)
I never said him did I stupid? other have called you out on your trolling and people who agree Ronnie is better.
Who ran away from you? I'm here as usual exposing you for the troll you are , you live in a very delusional place where people are scare of you are need to run lmfao I have facts on my side I don't need to run , I ended the Truce thread using your own hero when he conceded he wasn't in Dorian's league and to quote you , he has forgotten more than you ever known ;) and who has my name in his sig not once but twice? you prove how much I own the living shit out of you
I own you so badly you are now obsessed with trying to get me back which is exactly why you follow me into every thread trying to equal the score I kicked your ass like Dorian kicked Ronnies , I have show you ignorant you are , how stupid you are and how pathetic you are and when you're in yet another Dorian Yates thread spouting your nonsense all you do is prove me right when is exactly why people refer to you as hulkster is such a lowlife troll
you're right you have a reputation to uphold and it's being my bitch ;)
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Hulkster is a pathetic troll at times. Just mention the name Dorian Yates and you know he'll be there, making the same old lame, retarded arguments that have been refuted, laughed at and proven wrong by ND and co just about every single time.
I'm surprised he hasn't posted his sharpened pics of Ronnie from the 99 Olympia in this thread yet - hopefully, they'll be posted on page 4 of this thread (fingers crossed) ::)
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Just mention the name Dorian Yates and you know he'll be there, making the same old lame, retarded arguments that have been refuted, laughed at and proven wrong by ND and co just about every single time.
haha 'proven wrong by ND and Co.'?
hahahaha you belong with them if you are that dumb. :o
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haha 'proven wrong by ND and Co.'?
hahahaha you belong with them if you are that dumb. :o
You shouldn't be calling anyone dumb, Hulkster ;D
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Hulkster is a pathetic troll at times. Just mention the name Dorian Yates and you know he'll be there, making the same old lame, retarded arguments that have been refuted, laughed at and proven wrong by ND and co just about every single time.
I'm surprised he hasn't posted his sharpened pics of Ronnie from the 99 Olympia in this thread yet - hopefully, they'll be posted on page 4 of this thread (fingers crossed) ::)
QFT and what's funny is 98% of what he posts on are Ronnie and Dorian that's his ENTIRE post history it's all he knows it's old already and no one cares
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haha 'proven wrong by ND and Co.'?
hahahaha you belong with them if you are that dumb. :o
Opppppppsssssssss thought it was just to get a rise out of people? looks like someone believes the stuff he types
I have proven more FACT and points than you and anyone who agrees with you , what's funny is on this video Dorian mentions the fact that it's the guy who is a combo of all the criteria is usually the winner of contests which confirms what I've said for years now , all rounds are physique rounds and the guy who meets all of this criteria wins the contest , a concept you never knew about
I've proven many points after the fact mind you using experts and eyewitness accounts you on the other hand post two pics and say ' see ' which most of the time prove you wrong but are to stupid you grasp it
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You shouldn't be calling anyone dumb, Hulkster ;D
Exactly he posts very ironic things
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you really think I spend my time plotting ways to putdown dorian on getbig? LOL
Uh, you have over 20,000 posts, most of which are about Dorian/Ronnie. That is an obsessive amount of time.
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Dorian looked absolutely huge in that video at approx. 3:17 guestposing in 94. That must have been shortly before or after the Mr. O. The Diesel was badass!
It was 2 weeks after the Olympia when he guest posed at the British champs held at the wembley Conference Centre.He`d filled out quite a bit from the Olympia but still kept pretty good conditioning.
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Those are some of the best shots I have seen of Doz - he is absolutely huge and conditioned....thanks for posting the pics!!
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HAHAHA look at those "twiggs on a barrel". hahah hulkster owned again.
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This has to be one of the greatest side triceps shots of all time.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=313977.0;attach=354420;image)
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Dorian was great in 94...bigger than his 93 and just about as conditioned.
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Those are some of the best shots I have seen of Doz - he is absolutely huge and conditioned....thanks for posting the pics!!
And just in case anyone thinks the picture is squashed to make Dorian look bigger here is a pic of Rob Wall from the same video,he won the lightheavies.
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This has to be one of the greatest side triceps shots of all time.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=313977.0;attach=354420;image)
It would be if his gut wasn't sticking out past his chest.... ::)
Not taking anything away from Dorian, but his gut got to the point of being "inexcusable." While we can argue about what our aesthetic ideals are, I think most would agree that a bloated stomach is not "it."
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I was there in person and what I remember most about that night was the crowd's shocked reaction when Yates walked out on stage. He was so big and conditioned, no one could quite believe what they were seeing and he received a standing ovation. It was almost as if a new era in bodybuilding had begun even though it really did a year previously. As soon as Yates finished his routine around 30% of the audience, myself included, left the building. They were no longer interested in the contest and who could blame them? I doubt Ronnie Coleman ever created such excitement during in his 8 years as Mr. Olympia. He will forever be remembered as the Mr. O who lost his crown to a fridge. LOL
I say to Hulkster, shove this in yer pipe and smoke it sunshine. This will always be better than your ebony hero:
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=313977.0;attach=354564;image)
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For Hulkster:
Your hero looks as flat as a pancake in this shot. As flat as a pancake with a gut. LOL
It's laughable that you think this could touch Yates at his best. Even in the off-season Yates makes Coleman look like a child.
Hulkster owned yet again. ;D
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please. ::)
ronnie's arm alone is better than dorian's whole front side.. :P
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This has to be one of the greatest side triceps shots of all time.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=313977.0;attach=354420;image)
X1000
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here's what Peter Mcgough (fat guy with the high blood pressure) has to say about Dorian in the latest musclemag.
"He's good, but he lacks too many things.
His arms aren't big enough
to match his chest.
His thighs are too big for his calves.
He hits one pose
ln that, he looks like a big spider."
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X1000
Imagine how HUGE Dorian would have been if he had screamed when doing side lateral exercises and if he had eaten blended chicken and potatoes.. I'm thinking kyomu huge!
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here's what Peter Mcgough (fat guy with the high blood pressure) has to say about Dorian in the latest musclemag.
"He's good, but he lacks too many things.
His arms aren't big enough
to match his chest.
His thighs are too big for his calves.
He hits one pose
ln that, he looks like a big spider."
lmao
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Imagine how HUGE Dorian would have been if he had screamed when doing side lateral exercises and if he had eaten blended chicken and potatoes.. I'm thinking kyomu huge!
He screamed a lot in his famous BLOOD & GUTS video.
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please. ::)
ronnie's arm alone is better than dorian's whole front side.. :P
All you seem to care about is arms. Why the obsession?
Seriously, Coleman looks like he's been run over by a steamroller in this shot:
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=313977.0;attach=354641;image)
Hahahaha
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this is the real deal, champion straight out the box!!!
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this is the real deal, champion straight out the box!!!
That lat-spread is the best of all time.
Has Hulkster ever heard of the term chest depth?
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=313977.0;attach=354641;image)
I think not. LOL
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post the quote from the same article about dorian's lower back and how it filled and softened compared to the year before . funny how you post some quotes and ignore others hoping that we are stupid enough not to know them.. ::)
I haven't got the article, ND is there truth in this?
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I haven't got the article, ND is there truth in this?
I remember reading the quote myself, but so what? He was still the best conditioned guy in the contest and he deserved to win it.
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This has NEVER been matched. Simply unbelievable. 265 lbs!
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=313977.0;attach=354661;image)
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I haven't got the article, ND is there truth in this?
there is always truth to what I say.
I had the mag up until not too long ago.
but ND loves to pretend unbiased quotes from non weider mags do not exist when it comes to dorian.. ::)
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All you seem to care about is arms. Why the obsession?
Seriously, Coleman looks like he's been run over by a steamroller in this shot:
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=313977.0;attach=354641;image)
Hahahaha
and I suppose you think this is better? ??? ::)
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hahahaha they look almost the SAME!!
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I haven't got the article, ND is there truth in this?
Hulkster is a liar I have the magazine and he tried this bullshit before with a quote he made up from Shawn saying Dorian wasn't as hard as he was from 93 which was a lie
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you have the musclemag with the 94 olympia coverage in it? funny how you refuse to post all the goodies they have to say about your one armed bandit (their words) hero..
the musclego round section of that magazine near the front tore dorian a new asshole and lenda murray as well, and rightly so. both received huge gifts that year over much better second place competitors.
but you won't quote that part of the mag, will you? LOL ::)
not surprising though. you always run from the truth and run from quotes that don't suit your agenda, even though all you ever do is post quotes.. ::)
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there is always truth to what I say.
I had the mag up until not too long ago.
but ND loves to pretend unbiased quotes from non weider mags do not exist when it comes to dorian.. ::)
I have the magazine and you're an exposed liar , this is your quote
Hulkster GetBig January 18th
Shawn Ray mentions dorian's 93 loss of hardess in the Flex mag review of the contest...and like ND loves to say, he was there!
This right here was a LIE
Musclemag International Feb 1995
On the 1994 Mr Olympia
Was it after all a luckywin? I chose to use the word " lucky " because without a doubt there was an element of luck involved in Dorian's third consecutive Mr. O title . He was far from his best.
I would NOT not wish the reader to leave these pages thinking that the Sandow had been given a handout. THAT WOULD BE FAR FROM THE TRUTH.
Non-Weider mag so your claim I once again a LIE
quote Ironman Jan 1995 " Since he ( Ray ) was trailing Levrone by four points going into round 3 ( posing round ) Shawn was going to have to equal his showing of seven years ago ( Nationals win ) to have a chance of passing Levrone "
quote Ironman Jan 1995 " The battle was between Shawn and Kevin for second "
quote Ironman Jan 1995 former IFBB judge Roger Schwab " Yates is simply in another league. When he turns his back and flexes , he's the only man onstage. "
quote " Shawn Ray in a rout. He was better than ever. Any criticism is a stretch for a reporter to fill space. That such magnificence is litterally crushed by Yates is a sobering thought .
Non-Weider mags another LIE by you
you knowingly used photoshopped pictures after busted you've made up more than one quote you're a liar
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This has NEVER been matched. Simply unbelievable. 265 lbs!
surpassed - in size, shape, and definition ;)
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I have the magazine
so why are you refusing to post johnny fitness's comments regarding dorian's (filled in) lower back?
and how shawns back was good enough for a direct comparison?.
its right there in the contest review.
why are you hiding these quotes flowerboy? tell us. tell us all.
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you have the musclemag with the 94 olympia coverage in it? funny how you refuse to post all the goodies they have to say about your one armed bandit (their words) hero..
the musclego round section of that magazine near the front tore dorian a new asshole and lenda murray as well, and rightly so. both received huge gifts that year over much better second place competitors.
but you won't quote that part of the mag, will you? LOL ::)
not surprising though. you always run from the truth and run from quotes that don't suit your agenda, even though all you ever do is post quotes.. ::)
Musclemag International Feb 1995
On the 1994 Mr Olympia
Was it after all a luckywin? I chose to use the word " lucky " because without a doubt there was an element of luck involved in Dorian's third consecutive Mr. O title . He was far from his best.
I would NOT not wish the reader to leave these pages thinking that the Sandow had been given a handout. THAT WOULD BE FAR FROM THE TRUTH.
This is from their coverage of the contest PERIOD couple that with Ironman magazines coverage which are all non-Weider mags and all you have is made up shit
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surpassed - both in size, shape, and definition ;)
HAhahahah soft size doesn't equal dense size , learn the difference , Dorian kills him especially in the latspreads it isn't even close , Ronnie looks like a bunch of random parts
Dorian's back destroys Ronnie's
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hahaha
ND is melting down. he refuses to post quotes about dorian 94 directly from musclemag and he is melting down over the Ronnie BFTO 2002 shots that Neo is posting
I love it.
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so why are you refusing to post johnny fitness's comments regarding dorian's (filled in) lower back?
and how shawns back was good enough for a direct comparison?.
its right there in the contest review.
why are you hiding these quotes flowerboy? tell us. tell us all.
Hahahahahah Shawn's back was good enough for a direct comparison LMFAO Ronnie's back would be lucky to a direct comparison never mind Shawn
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hahaha
ND is melting down. he refuses to post quotes about dorian 94 directly from musclemag and he is melting down over the Ronnie BFTO 2002 shots that Neo is posting
I love it.
You're in another Yates thread melting down trolling
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Hahahahahah Shawn's back was good enough for a direct comparison LMFAO Ronnie's back would be lucky to a direct comparison never mind Shawn
so because you don't agree with Johnny Fitness you refuse to post his exact quote?
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you always sink to new lows don't you.. ::)
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so because you don't agree with Johnny Fitness you refuse to post his exact quote?
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you always sink to new lows don't you.. ::)
Thanks for playing kid this is from Johnny Fitnesses contest coverage , as usual you don't have much
Musclemag International Feb 1995
On the 1994 Mr Olympia
Was it after all a luckywin? I chose to use the word " lucky " because without a doubt there was an element of luck involved in Dorian's third consecutive Mr. O title . He was far from his best.
I would NOT not wish the reader to leave these pages thinking that the Sandow had been given a handout. THAT WOULD BE FAR FROM THE TRUTH.
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HAhahahah soft size doesn't equal dense size , learn the difference , Dorian kills him especially in the latspread it isn't even close , Ronnie looks like a bunch of random parts
hahahaha, Dorian's soft size doesn't equal Ronnie's denser size. Learn the difference. Sea what eye did there?
what visual, objective criteria are you using to determine level of conditioning so that we may all understand the retard logic that goes on in your head?
does Dorian have more separations? No
does Dorian have more striations? No
laughing and then contradicting what the visual evidence shows makes you look foolish. I'm giving you a chance to redeem yourself by explaining how you determined that Dorian has better conditioning based on pics using only objective, visual criteria. ;)
Dorian's back destroys Ronnie's
how so?
is Dorian's back larger? No
does Dorian's back have more separations? No
does Dorian's back have more striations? No
does Dorian's back have better taper? No
by all means, enlighten us how Dorian has a better back based on the pics despite being inferior in all the above criteria.
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and I suppose you think this is better? ??? ::)
Same contest:
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hahahaha, Dorian's soft size doesn't equal Ronnie's denser size. Learn the difference. Sea what eye did there?
what visual, objective criteria are you using to determine level of conditioning so that we may all understand the retard logic that goes on in your head?
does Dorian have more separations? No
does Dorian have more striations? No
so laughing and then contradicting yourself in light of visual evidence makes you look foolish. I'm giving you a chance to redeem yourself by explaining how you determined that Dorian has better conditioning based on pics using only objective criteria. ;)
how so?
is Dorian's back larger? No
does Dorian's back have more separations? No
does Dorian's back have more striations? No
does Dorian's back have better taper? No
by all means, enlighten us how Dorian has a better back based on the pics despite being inferior in all the above criteria.
Well troll number two right back at it again in another Dorian Yates thread lol thanks for proving my point kid , you're the guy who came back and complained people are still at these debates and low and behold hypocrite much?
hahahaha, Dorian's soft size doesn't equal Ronnie's denser size. Learn the difference. Sea what eye did there?
what visual, objective criteria are you using to determine level of conditioning so that we may all understand the retard logic that goes on in your head?
Yes I see what you did , made a blanket statement without backing up any of your claims what so ever nothing new with you. Let me correct you again
You don't even know what great conditioning is a proven fact , what means are you using to ascertain who has the superior conditioning? two pictures with different lighting different sources ( video vs magazine scan ) more inaccurate means so for you to claim who has better conditioning based on these means is ignorant , inaccurate and wishful thinking
I can say who has better conditioning based on eyewitnesses who have been in the business of physique evaluation longer than you been alive , so when I say Ronnie's softer size doesn't equate to Dorian's density it carries more weight than your ignorant blanket statements , pay attention to this kid
While I’m on record as saying that the best physique I ever saw was Ronnie’s at the 2001 Arnold, he was never drier or harder than Dorian. In fact now that – 14 years after it happened – I recently for the first time saw the video of Dorian posing before the 1993 Olympia I have cause to rethink. I’m now not sure that Ronnie at 245 pounds would beat Dorian at 269 pounds. At a bigger bodyweight I think Ronnie would look soft next to an in-shape rock-hard Dorian.
On the subject of conditioning, no-one did it better than Dorian. He achieved a hardness and dryness (without losing fullness) that nobody has ever matched. In the flesh he looked even harder than he did in photos. It was like a statue made of granite was standing in front of you.
This renders ANYTHING you type on the subject moot , if you attempt do discredit him you'll be laughed at ( as usual ) and to add insult to injury Dorian has said specific to this debate his conditioning is better than Ronnie and Kevin Horton has said Dorian's conditioning is unmatched to this date , you can't argue to the contrary just deny
does Dorian have more separations? No
does Dorian have more striations? No
so laughing and then contradicting yourself in light of visual evidence makes you look foolish. I'm giving you a chance to redeem yourself by explaining how you determined that Dorian has better conditioning based on pics using only objective criteria. ;)
See above how came to these conclusions in such an inaccurate fan-boy way it's not even funny , couple above with the fact that Dorian looks eons better than he does in pics & video for you to attempt to try and claim who is better conditioned or has more separations & striations is retarded ( like many of your empty claims )
o laughing and then contradicting yourself in light of visual evidence makes you look foolish. I'm giving you a chance to redeem yourself by explaining how you determined that Dorian has better conditioning based on pics using only objective criteria. ;)
how so?
is Dorian's back larger? No
does Dorian's back have more separations? No
does Dorian's back have more striations? No
does Dorian's back have better taper? No
by all means, enlighten us how Dorian has a better back based on the pics despite being inferior in all the above criteria.
Once again see above , how do you know who's back is larger? how the fuck did you come to this conclusion? are the side-by-side in the comparison? were you there? you ascertained this how? via a two dimensional picture? LMFAO your posts reek of ignorance and stupidity . You try so hard to speak intelligently on a topic but you always fall flat on your face in the light of contradictory evidence from well established professionals , you're a very insecure kid and you try so hard but you really need to do some research before you type
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Neo this is why Dorian destroyed everyone couple with his balance & proportion
Density - Muscle hardness, which is also related to muscu-lar definition. A bodybuilder can be well-defined and still have excess fat within each major muscle complex. But when he has muscle density, even this intramuscular fat has been eliminated. A combination of muscle mass and muscle density is highly prized among all competitive bodybuilders.
This combo is highly prized among all competitive bodybuilders ! Dorian's density is legendary Ronnie's isn't
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Same contest:
Holy Shit!!!
What a fuckin' tank!!!
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Holy Shit!!!
What a fuckin' tank!!!
Same contest
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Well troll number two right back at it again in another Dorian Yates thread lol thanks for proving my point kid , you're the guy who came back and complained people are still at these debates and low and behold hypocrite much?
cool story, bro.
Yes I see what you did , made a blanket statement without backing up any of your claims what so ever nothing new with you. Let me correct you again
I mirrored your post. Now what does that say about your statement? ;)
blah blah blah
nowhere did you mention what objective, visual criteria you are using to determine level of conditioning based on the pics in question.
so let's see...
evidence in favor of me = 1
evidence in favor of ND = 0
Thanks for playing!
Once again see above , how do you know who's back is larger? how the fuck did you come to this conclusion? are the side-by-side in the comparison? were you there? you ascertained this how? via a two dimensional picture? LMFAO your posts reek of ignorance and stupidity . You try so hard to speak intelligently on a topic but you always fall flat on your face in the light of contradictory evidence from well established professionals , you're a very insecure kid and you try so hard but you really need to do some research before you type
don't be stupid. You can tell who's back is larger from the pics the same way you can tell if a tall person with proportionate muscles is larger than a short person with proportionate muscles. Let's see how dumb you are. Hey ND, who's arms are larger in these pics?
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Neo this is why Dorian destroyed everyone couple with his balance & proportion
Density - Muscle hardness, which is also related to muscu-lar definition. A bodybuilder can be well-defined and still have excess fat within each major muscle complex. But when he has muscle density, even this intramuscular fat has been eliminated. A combination of muscle mass and muscle density is highly prized among all competitive bodybuilders.
wow, you're dumb as f*ck. We were comparing the 2 sets of pre-contest pics. Why are you bringing up irrelevant quotes?
This combo is highly prized among all competitive bodybuilders ! Dorian's density is legendary Ronnie's isn't
so? What is this suppose to prove besides that Dorian was more known for consistently coming in great conditioning?
guess what? All it takes is one time for someone to come in better conditioning than Dorian in order to surpass him. Ronnie doesn't need to be known for legendary density ;)
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cool story, bro.
I mirrored your post. Now what does that say about your statement? ;)
nowhere did you mention what objective, visual criteria you are using to determine level of conditioning based on the pics in question.
so let's see...
evidence in favor of me = 1
evidence in favor of ND = 0
Thanks for playing!
don't be stupid. You can tell whose back is larger from the pics the same way you can tell if a tall person with proportionate muscles is larger than a short person with proportionate muscles. Let's see how dumb you are. Hey ND, who's arms are larger in these pics?
cool story, bro.
no story just the facts troll #2
I mirrored your post. Now what does that say about your statement? ;)
I backed mine up with facts and eyewitnesses I've been waiting a very long time for you to do the same , my statement is based on wishful thinking
nowhere did you mention what objective, visual criteria you are using to determine level of conditioning based on the pics in question.
so let's see...
evidence in favor of me = 1
evidence in favor of ND = 0
The old semantics game huh? and I love how you know you can't counter the experts so you just give up thanks for admitting defeat in a round about way
Thanks for playing!
don't be stupid. You can tell whose back is larger from the pics the same way you can tell if a tall person with proportionate muscles is larger than a short person with proportionate muscles. Let's see how dumb you are. Hey ND, who's arms are larger in these pics?
you absolutely can NOT tell who has a larger back from the pics especially considering Dorian differing torso lengths and width for you to claim otherwise is dumb , the ONLY way you can tell is if they were side by side which they're not so you have no ability to do so and try and speak from an authority on a subject where you're lost
If you're comfortable coming to conclusions using inaccurate means contradicting the experts knock yourself out I'll just sit back and laugh at your nonsense which I do often
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wow, you're dumb as f*ck. We were comparing the 2 sets of pre-contest pics. Why are you bringing up irrelevant quotes?
so? What is this suppose to prove besides that Dorian was more known for consistently coming in great conditioning?
guess what? All it takes is one time for someone to come in better conditioning than Dorian in order to surpass him. Ronnie doesn't need to be known for legendary density ;)
wow, you're dumb as f*ck. We were comparing the 2 sets of pre-contest pics. Why are you bringing up irrelevant quotes?
so? What is this suppose to prove besides that Dorian was more known for consistently coming in great conditioning?
irony alert the quote absolutely relevant it's the subject of who's better conditioned and I'm teaching you what great conditioning is because you still don't have a clue
guess what? All it takes is one time for someone to come in better conditioning than Dorian in order to surpass him. Ronnie doesn't need to be known for legendary density ;)
Prove Ronnie came in better conditioned than Dorian , don't type ...prove it , especially when he's heavier
While I’m on record as saying that the best physique I ever saw was Ronnie’s at the 2001 Arnold, he was never drier or harder than Dorian. In fact now that – 14 years after it happened – I recently for the first time saw the video of Dorian posing before the 1993 Olympia I have cause to rethink. I’m now not sure that Ronnie at 245 pounds would beat Dorian at 269 pounds. At a bigger bodyweight I think Ronnie would look soft next to an in-shape rock-hard Dorian.
On the subject of conditioning, no-one did it better than Dorian. He achieved a hardness and dryness (without losing fullness) that nobody has ever matched. In the flesh he looked even harder than he did in photos. It was like a statue made of granite was standing in front of you.
This is how it's done kid , Ronnie was NEVER drier or harder than Dorian ;)
your laughable attempt at ascertaining who is better conditioned when you don't even know what it is , and you're basing it on two separate mediums ( scan vs video screencap ) and condtricting the experts shows you're not interested in facts , so either you're just trolling or you actually believe the bullshit you type either way you're not working with much
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no story just the facts troll #2
awesome!
I backed mine up with facts and eyewitnesses I've been waiting a very long time for you to do the same
no, you didn't. Where do any of the quotes you posted say Dorian in the 92 pre-contest pics has better conditioning than 02 BFTO Ronnie? I would be impressed if the quotes did b/c that would mean they could look into the future, dumbass. lol
my statement is based on wishful thinking
we've already established that. Nice to see you finally admit the truth. I'm gonna screen cap that. ;)
The old semantics game huh? and I love how you know you can't counter the experts so you just give up thanks for admitting defeat in a round about way
I can definitely counter you with quotes from more credible sources that say Ronnie is better. Last time we played this game, I beat you.
you absolutely can NOT tell who has a larger back from the pics especially considering Dorian differing torso lengths and width for you to claim otherwise is dumb , the ONLY way you can tell is if they were side by side which they're not so you have no ability to do so and try and speak from an authority on a subject where you're lost
yes, you can. Just b/c you lack the intelligence to look at reference body parts, compare relative proportions, and factor in weight doesn't make it impossible.
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awesome!
no, you didn't. Where do any of the quotes you posted say Dorian in the 92 pre-contest pics has better conditioning than 02 BFTO Ronnie? I would be impressed if the quotes did b/c that would mean they could look into the future, dumbass. lol
we've already established that. Nice to see you finally admit the truth. I'm gonna screen cap that. ;)
I can definitely counter you with quotes from more credible sources that say Ronnie is better. Last time we played this game, I beat you.
yes, you can. Just b/c you lack the intelligence to look at reference body parts, compare relative proportions, and factor in weight doesn't make it impossible.
no, you didn't. Where do any of the quotes you posted say Dorian in the 92 pre-contest pics has better conditioning than 02 BFTO Ronnie? I would be impressed if the quotes did b/c that would mean they could look into the future, dumbass. lol
I know you have comprehension problems but please follow
While I’m on record as saying that the best physique I ever saw was Ronnie’s at the 2001 Arnold, he was never drier or harder than Dorian. In fact now that – 14 years after it happened – I recently for the first time saw the video of Dorian posing before the 1993 Olympia I have cause to rethink. I’m now not sure that Ronnie at 245 pounds would beat Dorian at 269 pounds. At a bigger bodyweight I think Ronnie would look soft next to an in-shape rock-hard Dorian.
On the subject of conditioning, no-one did it better than Dorian. He achieved a hardness and dryness (without losing fullness) that nobody has ever matched. In the flesh he looked even harder than he did in photos. It was like a statue made of granite was standing in front of you.
Ronnie was NEVER drier or hard than Dorian , NOT in 1992 NOT in 1998 NOT in 2001 NOT in BFTO 2002 NEVER , please look up the definition of the word never
we've already established that. Nice to see you finally admit the truth. I'm gonna screen cap that. ;)
getting desperate
I can definitely counter you with quotes from more credible sources that say Ronnie is better. Last time we played this game, I beat you.
You could but didn't so we'll just take your word for LMFAO because you're a certified personal trainer and more credible? no elaboration more fluff , you beat me by posting quotes from Greg Valentino LMFAO yeah sure you're right
yes, you can. Just b/c you lack the intelligence to look at reference body parts, compare relative proportions, and factor in weight doesn't make it impossible.
If they were side-by-side then I'd entertain your point of view but they're not anything you type is contradictory wishful thinking
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I know you have comprehension problems but please follow
I know you have problems thinking for yourself but please follow. Did Peter McGough hydrostatically weigh both men at their peak condition? If not, then what objective criteria is he using to make his claim? If you don't know, then how can we be sure he's not trying to pass his opinion off as fact? If you can't provide any evidence to defend the legitimacy of Peter McGough's claims, then your quote is meaningless.
getting desperate
is that what it's called? lol According to you, it's not a negative mark against the person who makes themselves look bad but rather an act of desperation by the person who caught the other making himself look bad. haha
You could but didn't so we'll just take your word for LMFAO because you're a certified personal trainer and more credible? no elaboration more fluff , you beat me by posting quotes from Greg Valentino LMFAO yeah sure you're right
Greg Valentino? haha, wtf?
Joe Weider - IFBB Co-Founder
"Many experts, including reigning Mr.Olympia, Jay Cutler, believe that at his best Ronnie has the greatest physique of all-time. When looking at pictures of Ronnie from the 1998 Mr.Olympia, I find it hard to argue with that."
Team Flex - http://www.flexonline.com/training/49
"We've said before that the 245 pounds or so physique with which [Ronnie Coleman] won the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic is the best ever - unbeatable."
Lonnie Teper - MD, December 2005
"I've always said that it's too hard to compare athletes of different eras (then he names a few Mr. Olympias including Dorian). Still, it's hard to imagine that anybody who's ever stepped on a bodybuilding stage could have beaten Coleman. So I reserve the right to change my mind on this one. No offense to the rest of the champs - you were/are all truly amazing physique athletes - but Coleman has really taken it to the next level, as all magnificent conquerors do."
Tony Doherty - http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=270388.msg3803035#msg3803035
"Absolutely no question. The best ever, I have seen them and worked with them all. Seeing Ronnie in 2003 was like looking into the future!"
Raymond Cassar - Muscletime Editor and Photographer
"There is no one alive that can beat Ronnie Coleman when he is at his best - No One! (and his best for me was when he won the 2001 Arnold Classic)"
http://www.muscletime.com/news/contest-results/2007-mr-olympia-analysis
Greg Merritt - Flex, July 2007 p. 212
"Coleman is only two years older than the new Mr. O (hypothetical article saying if Toney Freeman won), but time stops for no man, including the greatest bodybuilder who ever lived."
Greg Meritt – http://www.metroflexgymtraining.com/testimonials.html
“From the greatest bodybuilder of all-time, Ronnie Coleman, to gregarious owner Brian Dobson to the kid who joined yesterday, everyone is trying to push themselves further than ever before, and it’s the energy of this shared commitment that makes Metroflex great.”
Chris Lund - Paraphrased by Milos Sarcev - European Flex, April 2004
"Chris Lund who I consider to be a great expert in our sport of bodybuilding, told me that Ronnie is simply the best bodybuilder he has ever seen, or photographed, and he has seen everybody, during the last 35 years."
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=237938.0
Hollis Liebman - Former Fitness Editor and IFBB Official
"The era of the big man would commence with Lee Haney (1984-1991), whose formidable torso would dominate the lineup for 8 straight years and was then elevated by Dorian Yates (1992-1997), whose back and overall conditioning upped the ante yet again until an alien named Ronnie Coleman (1998-2005), in all likelihood the greatest bodybuilder of all time, would redefine the sport bringing a near 300 pound contest ready physique to the stage."
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=238675.0
Steve Blechman - MD, Febrary 2004
"Ronnie perseveres and proves continually that, at his best, he is unbeatable."
Flex Wheeler - MD, February 2004
"I'll go on record as saying Ronnie is truly the biggest, hardest, most shredded Mr. Olympia in history. No disrespect to anybody at all, but I'd to identify Ronnie Coleman as the greatest Mr. Olympia of all time."
Mike Matarazzo – Flex, January 1999
“I think this creature from another planet, Ronnie Coleman, is going to be number one for a while. I think that, in the shape he was in, he would have beaten Dorian Yates. Ronnie has every single attribute it takes to be the greatest bodybuilder who ever lived.”
Jean Pierre Fux - Personal Website
"The current Mr. Olympia (Ronnie Coleman). In top shape, probably the best physique that ever stepped on stage."
I have quotes from the IFBB founder, the entire staff of writers at Flex magazine, a bodybuilding promoter, the owner of MD magazine, the editor of Muscletime, a gym owner, a world-renowned bodybuilding photographer, an IFBB official, and several pro bodybuilders who competed against both men, all saying that Ronnie at his best is unbeatable.
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Greg Valentino? lmao
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Here you are, Hulkster ;D
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for the record, there are quotes from the 1994 contest coverage in musclemag about dorian that ND is refusing to post.
what a pathetic sad loser. ::)
let this be a constant reminder of how he picks and choses only those quotes that are positive about dorian, and pretends all others do not exist.
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the guy is as desperate and pathetic as you can possbily get.
this blatant 'censorship' about his hero simply beacause the quotes are truthful but negative is about the worst thing I have ever seen.. :-\
how typical - post postive comments, but purposely pretend the negative ones do not exist.. ::)
folks, we are witnessing the lowest possible level that you can get from the nuthuggers.
and its all from ND..
today is a day that ND will never, ever live down.
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for the record, there are quotes from the 1994 contest coverage in musclemag about dorian that ND is refusing to post.
what a pathetic sad loser. ::)
let this be a constant reminder of how he picks and choses only those quotes that are positive about dorian, and pretends all others do not exist.
::)
the guy is as desperate and pathetic as you can possbily get.
this blatant 'censorship' about his hero simply beacause the quotes are truthful but negative is about the worst thing I have ever seen.. :-\
how typical - post postive comments, but purposely pretend the negative ones do not exist.. ::)
folks, we are witnessing the lowest possible level that you can get from the nuthuggers.
and its all from ND..
today is a day that ND will never, ever live down.
Hulkster, why dont you post the quotes then?
Truely the burden of proof is on you, not him.
Besides, I'd like to know if the quote is truely there.
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of course its there ::)
I can't post the quotes because I don't the mag anymore.
but I had it, and I'm not the only one who has had it.
I believe the quote is posted somewhere in the truce thread from someone with the mag, good luck finding it. our search feature sucks, because I have looked..
ND is a pathetic coward for knowingly avoiding the negative dorian quotes that we all know are there..
I will try and see if the 94 musclemag contest review is online anywhere and I will embarass the fuck out of flowerboy if I can find it. problem is, all the anti dorian quotes from the other parts of the mag will not be there.
if ND had balls, he would post them.
I know he is hoping the quotes from musclemag regarding dorian never get posted, but his luck will run out eventually.
its so sad that he claims he has the mag yet refuses to post the real quotes..
he hit a new low. :-\
you know, I always knew ND was a coward, but this really proves it.
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:P
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I know you have problems thinking for yourself but please follow. Did Peter McGough hydrostatically weigh both men at their peak condition? If not, then what objective criteria is he using to make his claim? If you don't know, then how can we be sure he's not trying to pass his opinion off as fact? If you can't provide any evidence to defend the legitimacy of Peter McGough's claims, then your quote is meaningless.
is that what it's called? lol According to you, it's not a negative mark against the person who makes themselves look bad but rather an act of desperation by the person who caught the other making himself look bad. haha
Greg Valentino? haha, wtf?
I have quotes from the IFBB founder, the entire staff of writers at Flex magazine, a bodybuilding promoter, the owner of MD magazine, the editor of Muscletime, a gym owner, a world-renowned bodybuilding photographer, an IFBB official, and several pro bodybuilders who competed against both men, all saying that Ronnie at his best is unbeatable.
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Greg Valentino? lmao
I know you have problems thinking for yourself but please follow. Did Peter McGough hydrostatically weigh both men at their peak condition? If not, then what objective criteria is he using to make his claim? If you don't know, then how can we be sure he's not trying to pass his opinion off as fact? If you can't provide any evidence to defend the legitimacy of Peter McGough's claims, then your quote is meaningless.
Did you hydrostatically weigh them both at their peak condition? NO yet you made a claim who was based on two entirely different source from the fucking internet. Peter has seem them both live and in person and his expertise stomps yours. So heed your own advice and provide evidence of your claim and posting two pictures and saying ' see ' isn't proof , especially considering you weren't there and don't even know what great conditioning is to begin with
is that what it's called? lol According to you, it's not a negative mark against the person who makes themselves look bad but rather an act of desperation by the person who caught the other making himself look bad. haha
Yes according to me when you're totally ignoring whole portions of my point and then changing my quotes around you are getting desperate you're in way over your head and looking for any way out.
Greg Valentino? haha, wtf?
Yes Greg Valentino you know you posted a quote from him as ' proof '
I have quotes from the IFBB founder, the entire staff of writers at Flex magazine, a bodybuilding promoter, the owner of MD magazine, the editor of Muscletime, a gym owner, a world-renowned bodybuilding photographer, an IFBB official, and several pro bodybuilders who competed against both men, all saying that Ronnie at his best is unbeatable.
Has absolutely NOTHING to do with what I was talking about not one single quote says Ronnie was harder & drier than Dorian , the topic is conditioning kid , follow the topic
While I’m on record as saying that the best physique I ever saw was Ronnie’s at the 2001 Arnold, he was never drier or harder than Dorian. In fact now that – 14 years after it happened – I recently for the first time saw the video of Dorian posing before the 1993 Olympia I have cause to rethink. I’m now not sure that Ronnie at 245 pounds would beat Dorian at 269 pounds. At a bigger bodyweight I think Ronnie would look soft next to an in-shape rock-hard Dorian.
On the subject of conditioning, no-one did it better than Dorian. He achieved a hardness and dryness (without losing fullness) that nobody has ever matched. In the flesh he looked even harder than he did in photos. It was like a statue made of granite was standing in front of you.
Ronnie was NEVER drier or harder than Dorian , this proves you flat out wrong , I know you're looking for a way out but stick to the topic
First, I didn't disagree with Peter McGough's claim that Ronnie was never harder or drier than Dorian.
again your quote
I'm sorry but Peter McGough is an idiot if he thinks 01 ASC Ronnie never surpassed Dorian's conditioning.
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for the record, there are quotes from the 1994 contest coverage in musclemag about dorian that ND is refusing to post.
what a pathetic sad loser. ::)
let this be a constant reminder of how he picks and choses only those quotes that are positive about dorian, and pretends all others do not exist.
::)
the guy is as desperate and pathetic as you can possbily get.
this blatant 'censorship' about his hero simply beacause the quotes are truthful but negative is about the worst thing I have ever seen.. :-\
how typical - post postive comments, but purposely pretend the negative ones do not exist.. ::)
folks, we are witnessing the lowest possible level that you can get from the nuthuggers.
and its all from ND..
today is a day that ND will never, ever live down.
meltdown ;)
coming from the guy who knowingly uses photoshopped pics and who was busted making up quotes.
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of course its there ::)
I can't post the quotes because I don't the mag anymore.
but I had it, and I'm not the only one who has had it.
I believe the quote is posted somewhere in the truce thread from someone with the mag, good luck finding it. our search feature sucks, because I have looked..
ND is a pathetic coward for knowingly avoiding the negative dorian quotes that we all know are there..
I will try and see if the 94 musclemag contest review is online anywhere and I will embarass the fuck out of flowerboy if I can find it. problem is, all the anti dorian quotes from the other parts of the mag will not be there.
if ND had balls, he would post them.
I know he is hoping the quotes from musclemag regarding dorian never get posted, but his luck will run out eventually.
its so sad that he claims he has the mag yet refuses to post the real quotes..
he hit a new low. :-\
you know, I always knew ND was a coward, but this really proves it.
meltdown part II
this coming from the guy who has knowingly used photoshopped pics as was busted by me on multiple occasions making quotes up ;)
Musclemag International Feb 1995
On the 1994 Mr Olympia
Was it after all a luckywin? I chose to use the word " lucky " because without a doubt there was an element of luck involved in Dorian's third consecutive Mr. O title . He was far from his best.
I would NOT not wish the reader to leave these pages thinking that the Sandow had been given a handout. THAT WOULD BE FAR FROM THE TRUTH.
this is a verbatim quote from Musclemag
This is the lie you made up
Hulkster GetBig January 18th
Shawn Ray mentions dorian's 93 loss of hardess in the Flex mag review of the contest...and like ND loves to say, he was there!
stop projecting .
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ND still posting the same quote over and over while ignoring the rest of the magazine and what it has to say.
typical. ::)
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tell us ND: why are you so afraid of posting the other comments about dorian from musclemag?
is your obsession really that bad?
that your life will be over if you come to terms with negative dorian comments?
that you must devote your life to insisting they don't exist simply by not posting them?
you need help man. badly.
seek therapy. now.
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Hey, that picture of Paul Dillet with Mike Mentzer in the background made me wonder:
Did Mike ever train Paul?
Anyone knows?
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Hey, that picture of Paul Dillet with Mike Mentzer in the background made me wonder:
Did Mike ever train Paul?
Anyone knows?
no, never heard of that, and i don't think they would have been a good match ;D
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tell us ND: why are you so afraid of posting the other comments about dorian from musclemag?
is your obsession really that bad?
that your life will be over if you come to terms with negative dorian comments?
that you must devote your life to insisting they don't exist simply by not posting them?
you need help man. badly.
seek therapy. now.
Hey fucktard... it's not on him to post negative sides of his argument. Thats your job dickweed. And until YOU post the quote, it doesn't exist. You cant come and here and say "It does exist, he wont post it!" If it exists why wont YOU post it? Huh? Awfully convienent you don't have the mag anymore.. and no one here is supporting you.. So until you post proof, it's just another fake quote made up by a desperate man pissed because he's being owned left and right by practically everyone on both sides of the debate. :-\
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Hulkster could lose a Ronnie vs. Kamali debate.
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tell us ND: why are you so afraid of posting the other comments about dorian from musclemag?
is your obsession really that bad?
that your life will be over if you come to terms with negative dorian comments?
that you must devote your life to insisting they don't exist simply by not posting them?
you need help man. badly.
seek therapy. now.
Besides, your the pot calling the kettle black. You have never posted a single negative comment about Ronnie so STFU.
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ND still posting the same quote over and over while ignoring the rest of the magazine and what it has to say.
typical. ::)
What difference does it make even if it were true? they said he was lucky but deserved to win which contradicts your claim of Musclemag saying he should have lost
Let's entertain your point that they did indeed say he should have lost this means what? nothing , Musclemag International are not judges so their opinion worth fuck-all
I don't run from objective opinions if you would remember I'm the one who posted the quote from Peter McGough stating he thought Ronnie 2001 was the best physique he's seen on-stage YOU idiots never knew about that until I posted it , I don't fear quotes YOU do and you ignore them all
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What is the massive lump sticking out of Ronnie's left hip in this picture? The gut is bad enough.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=313977.0;attach=354694;image)
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tell us ND: why are you so afraid of posting the other comments about dorian from musclemag?
is your obsession really that bad?
that your life will be over if you come to terms with negative dorian comments?
that you must devote your life to insisting they don't exist simply by not posting them?
you need help man. badly.
seek therapy. now.
Your obsession is really that bad which is exactly why you're in another Dorian Yates thread spewing your crybaby nonsense
Musclemag International , Ironman Magazine , Flex Magazine , Muscular Development , Muscle & Fitness , ALL could have printed Dorian Yates should have lost THIS MEANS WHAT?? NOTHING they're not judges
Where are you? who is obsessed? who knowingly used photoshopped pics ? who made up multiple quotes? who goes on vacation to Cozumel and posts on GetBig about Ronnie & Dorian? you did ;)
You're a hypocrite who's melting down left & right because I exposed you for the moron you are. You and Neo prove me right every time you follow me into another thread. thanks ;D
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Hey fucktard... it's not on him to post negative sides of his argument. Thats your job dickweed. And until YOU post the quote, it doesn't exist. You cant come and here and say "It does exist, he wont post it!" If it exists why wont YOU post it? Huh? Awfully convienent you don't have the mag anymore.. and no one here is supporting you.. So until you post proof, it's just another fake quote made up by a desperate man pissed because he's being owned left and right by practically everyone on both sides of the debate. :-\
Great post !
This is a a quote Hulkster outright made up in reference to Dorian not being as hard and as dry as he was in 93 as 92
Hulkster GetBig January 18th
Shawn Ray mentions dorian's 93 loss of hardess in the Flex mag review of the contest...and like ND loves to say, he was there!
He thought he could get away with , not knowing I had the magazine and busted him ;D
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Did you hydrostatically weigh them both at their peak condition? NO yet you made a claim who was based on two entirely different source from the fucking internet. Peter has seem them both live and in person and his expertise stomps yours. So heed your own advice and provide evidence of your claim and posting two pictures and saying ' see ' isn't proof , especially considering you weren't there and don't even know what great conditioning is to begin with
so you concede you have no objective, visual criteria for determining level of conditioning and no direct quotes comparing 92 pre-contest Dorian to 02 BFTO Ronnie? Gotcha! ;) Furthermore, you are clinging to the opinion of 1 man (whom you acknowledge never measured them) who never said Dorian had better conditioning than a peak Ronnie - simply that no one surpassed Dorian with respect to hardness or dryness - to argue that Dorian had better conditioning. In the realm of logic, this constitutes a weak argument.
what is my evidence? My proof is the wealth of visual evidence that supports what I have been saying. The pics and videos show that on a few occasions, Ronnie had better conditioning than Dorian. What objective criteria am I using? Amount of separations, striations, and vascularity which are directly correlated with conditioning.
Yes according to me when you're totally ignoring whole portions of my point and then changing my quotes around you are getting desperate you're in way over your head and looking for any way out.
I quoted verbatim what you said, idiot. Now you're really getting desperate. lol. Accusing me of changing your words which I never did.
Has absolutely NOTHING to do with what I was talking about not one single quote says Ronnie was harder & drier than Dorian , the topic is conditioning kid , follow the topic
quotes work both ways. If you want to use quotes rather than visual evidence to argue that Dorian had better conditioning, then I will simply respond by posting quotes that say Ronnie at his best is unbeatable.
if it makes you feel better, I will acknowledge Dorian's superior conditioning if you acknowledge Ronnie as the superior bodybuilder. ;)
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Great post !
This is a a quote Hulkster outright made up in reference to Dorian not being as hard and as dry as he was in 93 as 92
Hulkster GetBig January 18th
Shawn Ray mentions dorian's 93 loss of hardess in the Flex mag review of the contest...and like ND loves to say, he was there!
He thought he could get away with , not knowing I had the magazine and busted him ;D
Now, I don't want you to think I am sticking up for Hulkster because as you know I cannot stand the wanker. But there really was a quote from Shawn Ray saying exactly that in Flex Magazine. I have the mag with it in but I am pretty sure it was a couple of months after the Olympia report and in a 93 Olympia gossip column special. I remember they were asking different people from the bodybuilding world to comment on the 93 Olympia and Shawn Ray definitely said that Yates was clearly bigger but not as hard as he had been the year before. In the same article they asked Lee Haney if Dorian Yates was better than he ever was and he refused to answer the question, but he said he was very impressed with Yates in 93. The Shawn Ray quote meant very little anyway since 4 years later before the 97 Olympia he said that Yates had never been able to better his 93 form which in his opinion was unbeatable.
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by the way, something I noticed which has me curious. Both Peter McGough and Shawn Perine have stated the only version they feel could compete with 01 ASC Ronnie is a pre-contest Dorian. Why would a 20 lbs heavier Dorian be necessary if he supposedly has better conditioning? (according to ND).
Shawn Perine Ironage Dec 11, 2004
“As much as I love Haney and my IA champs, I think Ronnie circa '98 or at the 2001 Arnold is pretty much untouchable. Except by Dorian Yates 6 weeks out from the '93 O as photographed by our own KMH. Both men, on those specific occasions carried so much dry muscle mass in good proportion and with good lines that it's almost unfair to compare them to others.”
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Great post !
This is a a quote Hulkster outright made up in reference to Dorian not being as hard and as dry as he was in 93 as 92
Hulkster GetBig January 18th
Shawn Ray mentions dorian's 93 loss of hardess in the Flex mag review of the contest...and like ND loves to say, he was there!
LOL you are so stupid. I have the magazine too you idiot.
shawn said dorian was "bigger not better". why was he not better? because he was not as hard, which is proven by every single single glance at 92, where dorian was as ripped with better abs, chest detail than in 93
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"It does exist, he wont post it!" If it exists why wont YOU post it? Huh?
because I threw the mag out long ago.
but I am so fucking temped to order the fucking thing and scan the quotes and watch ND and Co. commit communal sucicide..
because they will.
they love to post quotes, but refuse to post all of them.
they only post the positive ones, ignoring all the rest of them
ND is a sad guy, having the mag right in front of him, yet refusing to post what it actually says..
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I think most of the nuthuggers would meltdown if they knew what musclemag printed about the 1994 olympia winner and the 1994 Ms olympia winner..
ND knows.
I know. so does anyone else who still has this magazine.
but ND is hiding the truth. how sad.
just proves what we already knew:
that ND is the biggest coward on getbig.
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so you concede you have no objective, visual criteria for determining level of conditioning and no direct quotes comparing 92 pre-contest Dorian to 02 BFTO Ronnie? Gotcha! ;) Furthermore, you are clinging to the opinion of 1 man (whom you acknowledge never measured them) who never said Dorian had better conditioning than a peak Ronnie - simply that no one surpassed Dorian with respect to hardness or dryness - to argue that Dorian had better conditioning. In the realm of logic, this constitutes a weak argument.
what is my evidence? My proof is the wealth of visual evidence that supports what I have been saying. The pics and videos show that on a few occasions, Ronnie had better conditioning than Dorian. What objective criteria am I using? Amount of separations, striations, and vascularity which are directly correlated with conditioning.
I quoted verbatim what you said, idiot. Now you're really getting desperate. lol. Accusing me of changing your words which I never did.
quotes work both ways. If you want to use quotes rather than visual evidence to argue that Dorian had better conditioning, then I will simply respond by posting quotes that say Ronnie at his best is unbeatable.
if it makes you feel better, I will acknowledge Dorian's superior conditioning if you acknowledge Ronnie as the superior bodybuilder. ;)
so you concede you have no objective, visual criteria for determining level of conditioning and no direct quotes comparing 92 pre-contest Dorian to 02 BFTO Ronnie? Gotcha! ;) Furthermore, you are clinging to the opinion of 1 man (whom you acknowledge never measured them) who never said Dorian had better conditioning than a peak Ronnie - simply that no one surpassed Dorian with respect to hardness or dryness - to argue that Dorian had better conditioning. In the realm of logic, this constitutes a weak argument./quote]
And you concede your opinion is biased , ignorant and the result of inaccurate means. yet we're supposed to take it over someone as well respected as McGough. Gotcha ;) did you measure them? NO did you hycrostatically weigh them? NO yet this didn't prevent you from spouting off your nonsense , I see others are bound to this criteria with the sole exception of yourself thanks for conceding you're an idiot and a hypocrite but I figured this out long ago
what is my evidence? My proof is the wealth of visual evidence that supports what I have been saying. The pics and videos show that on a few occasions, Ronnie had better conditioning than Dorian. What objective criteria am I using? Amount of separations, striations, and vascularity which are directly correlated with conditioning./quote]
Evidence which is based on ignorance and bias isn't evidence. YOU never seen Dorian live and in person and you haven't seen Ronnie either , you gathered you ' evidence ' from a magazine scan of Dorian and a screen capture from a video of Ronnie two entirely different sources ( inaccurate already ) you're under this delusion striations , separations and vascularity are NOT genetic and whoever has more is better conditioned NOT how it works obviously one needs to be in great shape to have the above mentioned but striations , separations and vascularity are genetic and not everyone will have the same amount in the same places with equal conditioning
Now we have to factor in a very important caveat that you're willing to overlook ( bias ) Dorian looks eons better live and in person than he does in pictures and video , you know this because it's been explained to you ad nasuem , only a moron would attempt to say who is better conditioned knowing this , couple with the fact you still can't seem to grasp what great conditioning is , the fact the comparison pics are from two vastly different sources , different quality , different lighting , etc and outright contradict people who claim otherwise , but you don't mind exposing yourself as a moron
I quoted verbatim what you said, idiot. Now you're really getting desperate. lol. Accusing me of changing your words which I never did./quote]
subterfuge ...you changed my quotes around now you're reduced to lying , what was that about desperate again?
quotes work both ways. If you want to use quotes rather than visual evidence to argue that Dorian had better conditioning, then I will simply respond by posting quotes that say Ronnie at his best is unbeatable.
if it makes you feel better, I will acknowledge Dorian's superior conditioning if you acknowledge Ronnie as the superior bodybuilder. ;)/quote]
No , no I asked for quotes proving Ronnie was better conditioned than Dorian as usual when push comes to shove Neo looks for a way out , the quotes you posted have NOTHING to do with the topic at hand more weak logic from a weak mind , diversion ;)
As already explained to you pictures aren't accurate so I'll take someone word on the subject , someone who was there and seem both over their entire careers and what does he have to say on the subject?
While I’m on record as saying that the best physique I ever saw was Ronnie’s at the 2001 Arnold, he was never drier or harder than Dorian. In fact now that – 14 years after it happened – I recently for the first time saw the video of Dorian posing before the 1993 Olympia I have cause to rethink. I’m now not sure that Ronnie at 245 pounds would beat Dorian at 269 pounds. At a bigger bodyweight I think Ronnie would look soft next to an in-shape rock-hard Dorian.
On the subject of conditioning, no-one did it better than Dorian. He achieved a hardness and dryness (without losing fullness) that nobody has ever matched. In the flesh he looked even harder than he did in photos. It was like a statue made of granite was standing in front of you.
/b]
Ronnie was never drier or harder than Dorian , not in 1998 NOT in 2001 and NOT in 2002 BFTO I asked you to look up the word never obviously you didn't so allow me
Main Entry: nev·er
Pronunciation: \ˈne-vər\
Function: adverb
Etymology: Middle English, from Old English nǣfre, from ne not + ǣfre ever — more at no
Date: before 12th century
1 : not ever : at no time <I never met her>
2 : not in any degree : not under any condition <never the wiser for his experience>
/b]
I know you have comprehension problems but please keep reading the above
I don't need you to acknowledge Dorian's superior conditioning LMMFAO it's there you're the idiot whose in denial , and Ronnie was never superior to Dorian they competed in the same era and Dorian kicks his ass for years so Dorian was a superior bodybuilder directly compared to Ronnie Coleman , Ronnie is statistically the greatest bodybuilder ever due to his 8 Olympia titles and the most pro wins but NONE of them were against Dorian ;)
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by the way, something I noticed which has me curious. Both Peter McGough and Shawn Perine have stated the only version they feel could compete with 01 ASC Ronnie is a pre-contest Dorian. Why would a 20 lbs heavier Dorian be necessary if he supposedly has better conditioning? (according to ND).
Shawn Perine Ironage Dec 11, 2004
“As much as I love Haney and my IA champs, I think Ronnie circa '98 or at the 2001 Arnold is pretty much untouchable. Except by Dorian Yates 6 weeks out from the '93 O as photographed by our own KMH. Both men, on those specific occasions carried so much dry muscle mass in good proportion and with good lines that it's almost unfair to compare them to others.”
Because as McGough said when Dorian dieted down to much he lost his shape and I agree , I think Dorian looks his best at around 270 pounds
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because I threw the mag out long ago.
but I am so fucking temped to order the fucking thing and scan the quotes and watch ND and Co. commit communal sucicide..
because they will.
they love to post quotes, but refuse to post all of them.
they only post the positive ones, ignoring all the rest of them
ND is a sad ####, having the mag right in front of him, yet refusing to post what it actually says..
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Again moron what does it change? Musclemag doesn't judge contests even if it's true it changes nothing and the magazine is packed away FYI
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Now, I don't want you to think I am sticking up for Hulkster because as you know I cannot stand the wanker. But there really was a quote from Shawn Ray saying exactly that in Flex Magazine. I have the mag with it in but I am pretty sure it was a couple of months after the Olympia report and in a 93 Olympia gossip column special. I remember they were asking different people from the bodybuilding world to comment on the 93 Olympia and Shawn Ray definitely said that Yates was clearly bigger but not as hard as he had been the year before. In the same article they asked Lee Haney if Dorian Yates was better than he ever was and he refused to answer the question, but he said he was very impressed with Yates in 93. The Shawn Ray quote meant very little anyway since 4 years later before the 97 Olympia he said that Yates had never been able to better his 93 form which in his opinion was unbeatable.
I hope everyone by now realizes that I have never 'made up' quotes as ND claims.
he just says this in hopes that the less in the know fans will believe him.. ::)
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Again moron what does it change? Musclemag doesn't judge contests even if it's true it changes nothing and the magazine is packed away FYI
wrong. it changes everything for you because all you do is post quotes.
so you can't have it both ways. you have to take the good with the bad.
right now, you take the good and ignore the bad, which is typical of your sorry arguments. ::)
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I think most of the nuthuggers would meltdown if they knew what musclemag printed about the 1994 olympia winner and the 1994 Ms olympia winner..
ND knows.
I know. so does anyone else who still has this magazine.
but ND is hiding the truth. how sad.
just proves what we already knew:
that ND is the biggest coward on getbig.
Man you're taking this shit WAY WAY to seriously LMMFAO you need a vacation , hey wait you just came back maybe you should have spent more time relaxing on vacation and less time posting on GetBig about Ronnie/Yates ;)
Some great conspiracy lmao who is hiding what they said? you've been posting it for eons this changes what? the only one who cares is you and look at you melting down left and right making post after post filled with hate and personal attacks LMMFAO
They said this as well how does it change this FACT?
Musclemag International Feb 1995
On the 1994 Mr Olympia
Was it after all a luckywin? I chose to use the word " lucky " because without a doubt there was an element of luck involved in Dorian's third consecutive Mr. O title . He was far from his best.
I would NOT not wish the reader to leave these pages thinking that the Sandow had been given a handout. THAT WOULD BE FAR FROM THE TRUTH.
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ND, learn to quote properly. Your response looks like one giant clusterfuck.
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Because as McGough said when Dorian dieted down to much he lost his shape and I agree , I think Dorian looks his best at around 270 pounds
dumb post is dumb. Are you saying Ronnie's shape is enough to trump a 20 lbs heavier Dorian with better conditioning? ???
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I hope everyone by now realizes that I have never 'made up' quotes as ND claims.
he just says this in hopes that the less in the know fans will believe him.. ::)
BULLSHIT , BULLSHIT . BULLSHIT
Hulkster GetBig January 18th
Shawn Ray mentions dorian's 93 loss of hardess in the Flex mag review of the contest...and like ND loves to say, he was there!
This is Shawn's actual quote you LIAR and NO WHERE does he mention Dorian wasn't as hard LIAR
This is his entire quote and NO WHERE does he say that this is VERBATIM
lex Magazine January 1994 , page 101 quote Shawn Ray
" Me and Dorian are like apples and oranges : There's absolutely no similarity between our physiques. What we have here is a revamped , ( continued on page 102 ) new-attitude Shawn Ray agaisnt a Dorian Yates who is bigger , which doesn't necessarily mean better! "
In quieter moments , Yates confides that the recation to his win ( 1992 ) by some sections of the bodybuilding community vexed him. Many wrote his off as a one-time Mr. Olympia. Proof of his simmering irritation was provided by a poster that adorned his gym in Birmingham , England. The poster's inscription read: " 1993 Mr Olympia , Atlanta. To all the disbelievers , kiss my ass! "
Yates may not have been thinking about his rivals , but the reverse was certainly not true. The leading contenders had heard the rumors of an unbelievable Yates guest-posing in New York in July , and several of then ( including Paul Dillett and Flex Wheeler ) had a pre-Olympia sight of the photos of the 269-pound Yates that appeared in the December issue of Flex.
At Thursday's press conference , there seemed to be a general mood of fatalism - unless Yates had inexplicably screwed up in the last couple of weeks , the 1993 Mr. Olympia contest was for second place.
Shawn was commenting on Dorian was bigger ( than him ) but not better , his old spiel of apples & oranges NO WHERE does he mention Dorian wasn't as hard as he was in 92 you're a liar plain & simple and even entertaining he did say it's a flat-out LIE anyway because I can post 20 different people who say he was including IFBB judges so you're fucked either way TROLL ;)
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ND, learn to quote properly. Your response looks like one giant clusterfuck.
First time that ever happen in fact ;) and you found your way out ;)
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First time that ever happen in fact
actually, no. You've done it many times in the Truce thread. ;) You act like I never posted in there. lol
and you found your way out
not really. Just don't feel like sorting through your clusterfuck of a post. Once again you're the one who messed up yet somehow it's a mark against me. Only a retard like you can justify placing blame on others for your faults. lmao
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dumb post is dumb. Are you saying Ronnie's shape is enough to trump a 20 lbs heavier Dorian with better conditioning? ???
More comprehension problems? The reason why Peter thinks Dorian at 269 would beat Ronnie is because Dorian's shape is better at that weight than when he was lighter
Dorian , bigger , harder , drier and better balanced = Yates victory
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actually, no. You've done it many times in the Truce thread. ;) You act like I never posted in there. lol
not really. Just don't feel like sorting through your clusterfuck of a post. Once again you're the one who messed up yet somehow it's a mark against me. Only a retard like you can justify placing blame on others for your faults. lmao
actually, no. You've done it many times in the Truce thread. ;) You act like I never posted in there. lol
bullshit 99.9% of my posts are perfect
not really. Just don't feel like sorting through your clusterfuck of a post. Once again you're the one who messed up yet somehow it's a mark against me. Only a retard like you can justify placing blame on others for your faults. lmao
I responded to every single one of your points you getting frustrated because I'm exposing your weak logic , subterfuge , diversion and bias , you can't respond and found an excuse out not the first time and wont be the last
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More comprehension problems? The reason why Peter thinks Dorian at 269 would beat Ronnie is because Dorian's shape is better at that weight than when he was lighter
apparently you're the one with comprehension problems. I will make this easy since you seem to have difficulty grasping my question.
you argue that Dorian had better conditioning and balance than Ronnie.
so why do Peter and Shawn feel a 20 lbs heavier Dorian would be necessary to compete with 01 ASC Ronnie?
why does he need 20 more lbs if he already has better conditioning and balance? (according to you)
in other words, why do they feel 01 ASC Ronnie may be the best ever if he's 20 lbs lighter with worse conditioning and balance? lol
either they don't know what the hell they're talking about or you don't know what the hell you're talking about. You can't both be right.
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so you concede you have no objective, visual criteria for determining level of conditioning and no direct quotes comparing 92 pre-contest Dorian to 02 BFTO Ronnie? Gotcha! ;) Furthermore, you are clinging to the opinion of 1 man (whom you acknowledge never measured them) who never said Dorian had better conditioning than a peak Ronnie - simply that no one surpassed Dorian with respect to hardness or dryness - to argue that Dorian had better conditioning. In the realm of logic, this constitutes a weak argument.
what is my evidence? My proof is the wealth of visual evidence that supports what I have been saying. The pics and videos show that on a few occasions, Ronnie had better conditioning than Dorian. What objective criteria am I using? Amount of separations, striations, and vascularity which are directly correlated with conditioning.
I quoted verbatim what you said, idiot. Now you're really getting desperate. lol. Accusing me of changing your words which I never did.
quotes work both ways. If you want to use quotes rather than visual evidence to argue that Dorian had better conditioning, then I will simply respond by posting quotes that say Ronnie at his best is unbeatable.
if it makes you feel better, I will acknowledge Dorian's superior conditioning if you acknowledge Ronnie as the superior bodybuilder. ;)
so you concede you have no objective, visual criteria for determining level of conditioning and no direct quotes comparing 92 pre-contest Dorian to 02 BFTO Ronnie? Gotcha! ;) Furthermore, you are clinging to the opinion of 1 man (whom you acknowledge never measured them) who never said Dorian had better conditioning than a peak Ronnie - simply that no one surpassed Dorian with respect to hardness or dryness - to argue that Dorian had better conditioning. In the realm of logic, this constitutes a weak argument.
And you concede your opinion is biased , ignorant and the result of inaccurate means. yet we're supposed to take it over someone as well respected as McGough. Gotcha did you measure them? NO did you hycrostatically weigh them? NO yet this didn't prevent you from spouting off your nonsense , I see others are bound to this criteria with the sole exception of yourself thanks for conceding you're an idiot and a hypocrite but I figured this out long ago
what is my evidence? My proof is the wealth of visual evidence that supports what I have been saying. The pics and videos show that on a few occasions, Ronnie had better conditioning than Dorian. What objective criteria am I using? Amount of separations, striations, and vascularity which are directly correlated with conditioning.
Evidence which is based on ignorance and bias isn't evidence. YOU never seen Dorian live and in person and you haven't seen Ronnie either , you gathered you ' evidence ' from a magazine scan of Dorian and a screen capture from a video of Ronnie two entirely different sources ( inaccurate already ) you're under this delusion striations , separations and vascularity are NOT genetic and whoever has more is better conditioned NOT how it works obviously one needs to be in great shape to have the above mentioned but striations , separations and vascularity are genetic and not everyone will have the same amount in the same places with equal conditioning
Now we have to factor in a very important caveat that you're willing to overlook ( bias ) Dorian looks eons better live and in person than he does in pictures and video , you know this because it's been explained to you ad nasuem , only a moron would attempt to say who is better conditioned knowing this , couple with the fact you still can't seem to grasp what great conditioning is , the fact the comparison pics are from two vastly different sources , different quality , different lighting , etc and outright contradict people who claim otherwise , but you don't mind exposing yourself as a moron
I quoted verbatim what you said, idiot. Now you're really getting desperate. lol. Accusing me of changing your words which I never did.
subterfuge ...you changed my quotes around now you're reduced to lying , what was that about desperate again?
quotes work both ways. If you want to use quotes rather than visual evidence to argue that Dorian had better conditioning, then I will simply respond by posting quotes that say Ronnie at his best is unbeatable.
if it makes you feel better, I will acknowledge Dorian's superior conditioning if you acknowledge Ronnie as the superior bodybuilder. ;
No , no I asked for quotes proving Ronnie was better conditioned than Dorian as usual when push comes to shove Neo looks for a way out , the quotes you posted have NOTHING to do with the topic at hand more weak logic from a weak mind , diversion
As already explained to you pictures aren't accurate so I'll take someone word on the subject , someone who was there and seem both over their entire careers and what does he have to say on the subject?
While I’m on record as saying that the best physique I ever saw was Ronnie’s at the 2001 Arnold, he was never drier or harder than Dorian. In fact now that – 14 years after it happened – I recently for the first time saw the video of Dorian posing before the 1993 Olympia I have cause to rethink. I’m now not sure that Ronnie at 245 pounds would beat Dorian at 269 pounds. At a bigger bodyweight I think Ronnie would look soft next to an in-shape rock-hard Dorian.
On the subject of conditioning, no-one did it better than Dorian. He achieved a hardness and dryness (without losing fullness) that nobody has ever matched. In the flesh he looked even harder than he did in photos. It was like a statue made of granite was standing in front of you.
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Ronnie was never drier or harder than Dorian , not in 1998 NOT in 2001 and NOT in 2002 BFTO I asked you to look up the word never obviously you didn't so allow me
Main Entry: nev·er
Pronunciation: \ˈne-vər\
Function: adverb
Etymology: Middle English, from Old English nǣfre, from ne not + ǣfre ever — more at no
Date: before 12th century
1 : not ever : at no time <I never met her>
2 : not in any degree : not under any condition <never the wiser for his experience>
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I know you have comprehension problems but please keep reading the above
I don't need you to acknowledge Dorian's superior conditioning LMMFAO it's there you're the idiot whose in denial , and Ronnie was never superior to Dorian they competed in the same era and Dorian kicks his ass for years so Dorian was a superior bodybuilder directly compared to Ronnie Coleman , Ronnie is statistically the greatest bodybuilder ever due to his 8 Olympia titles and the most pro wins but NONE of them were against Dorian
Fixed , respond or not either way your fucked ;)
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in other words, why do they feel 01 ASC Ronnie may be the best ever if he's 20 lbs lighter with worse conditioning and balance? lol
either they don't know what the hell they're talking about or you don't know what the hell you're talking about. You can't both be right.
this is a no brainer. ND is wrong as always.
2001 AC ronnie crushes dorian easily. even if he is 10 pounds lighter:
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bullshit 99.9% of my posts are perfect
that means 31 posts of yours contain mistakes. lol. Obviously your posts aren't perfect.
I responded to every single one of your points you getting frustrated because I'm exposing your weak logic , subterfuge , diversion and bias , you can't respond and found an excuse out not the first time and wont be the last
hate to break it to you, flower boy, but anyone with a brain who reads our exchanges will see that I have thoroughly dismantled your argument.
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apparently you're the one with comprehension problems. I will make this easy since you seem to have difficulty grasping my question.
you argue that Dorian had better conditioning and balance than Ronnie.
so why do Peter and Shawn feel a 20 lbs heavier Dorian would be necessary to compete with 01 ASC Ronnie?
why does he need 20 more lbs if he already has better conditioning and balance? (according to you)
in other words, why do they feel 01 ASC Ronnie may be the best ever if he's 20 lbs lighter with worse conditioning and balance? lol
either they don't know what the hell they're talking about or you don't know what the hell you're talking about. You can't both be right.
They didn't say he needed an extra 20 pounds it doesn't have so much to do with the weight as it does the shape I explained this to you but Mr Comprehension problem glossed over it , you're hyperfocusing on the weight as opposed to the shape aspect
In fact Dorian said that if he competed against Ronnie he would choose his 1995 Olympia form and he also said he was better conditioned and better balanced directly compared to a heavier Ronnie
I personally think Dorian looks his best in those black & whites because of the above mentioned shape as well as nothing is torn and for all intent & purposes he has NO flaws even his arms are huge
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that means 31 posts of yours contain mistakes. lol. Obviously your posts aren't perfect.
hate to break it to you, flower boy, but anyone with a brain who reads our exchanges will see that I have thoroughly dismantled your argument.
that means 31 posts of yours contain mistakes. lol. Obviously your posts aren't perfect.
nonsense , I honestly don't recall doing that before so you're full of shit
hate to break it to you, flower boy, but anyone with a brain who reads our exchanges will see that I have thoroughly dismantled your argument.
with what? flawed logic and weak arguments? even this response is more weak argument , ad hominem attack ( flower boy ) appeal to numbers ( anyone with a brain ) and delusion ( dismantled my argument )
YOU have no argument , you don't even know what great conditioning is never mind be able to ascertain it through two entirely different mediums on the internet LMFAO when pushed on your bullshit you tried diversion , subterfuge and personal attacks onto of denying the experts , you're in way , way over your head boy and you keep trying to run with the big dogs but always fall by the wayside
You just complained about the guys still being at it and where are you? ;) Neo try reading a few books on the subject before you attempt at trying to act like you know what you're talking about I would recommend Arnold Schwarzenegger's Modern Encyclopedia on Bodybuilding I bought my first copy in 1986 and but it wasn't the modern and updated version which I have as well and good luck.
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this is a no brainer. ND is wrong as always.
2001 AC ronnie crushes dorian easily. even if he is 10 pounds lighter:
Yup and Ronnie 99 is his best and Ronnie has better detailed calves than Dorian and Ronnie dominated in 2001 by losing and 1998 wasn't close and Shawn mentions Dorian's loss of hardness and Dorian is the most overrated bodybuilder of all time , shall I continue?
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And you concede your opinion is biased , ignorant and the result of inaccurate means.
haha, how is my argument biased and ignorant when it's based on fact? I'm using objective, visual criteria which anyone can use to arrive at the same observation. Now contrast this with your argument which rests entirely on the assumption that one man's opinion is correct.
yet we're supposed to take it over someone as well respected as McGough. Gotcha did you measure them? NO did you hycrostatically weigh them? NO yet this didn't prevent you from spouting off your nonsense , I see others are bound to this criteria with the sole exception of yourself thanks for conceding you're an idiot and a hypocrite but I figured this out long ago
I honestly couldn't care less if Dorian had better conditioning. The only reason I entertain your nonsense is to show the hypocrisy of you picking which quotes to accept or ignore. You cling to any quote which supports your belief that Dorian had better conditioning yet ignore the myriad of quotes that say Ronnie is the better bodybuilder. Each time you default to a Dorian quote praising his conditioning, all I have to do is post 10 more announcing Ronnie as the greatest bodybuilder of all-time to expose how weak your argument is. ;)
subterfuge ...you changed my quotes around now you're reduced to lying , what was that about desperate again?
I quoted you verbatim, dumbass. Go back and read your own post. I even took a screen capture in case you tried to edit your post to make it seem like I changed your words. You can't talk yourself out of this one.
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does anyone else think ND is an idiot for not understanding what I'm asking?
They didn't say he needed an extra 20 pounds it doesn't have so much to do with the weight as it does the shape I explained this to you but Mr Comprehension problem glossed over it , you're hyperfocusing on the weight as opposed to the shape aspect
wrong, they both said 01 ASC Ronnie is pretty much untouchable except by 93 pre-contest Dorian.
you argue that Dorian has better conditioning and balance. So why would he also need to outweigh Ronnie by 20 lbs to compete with him?
why didn't they pick 93 Mr. O Dorian or 95 Mr. O Dorian? Now do you follow what I'm saying?
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nonsense , I honestly don't recall doing that before so you're full of shit
another one of your lies? :-\
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Dorian%20vs%20Ronnie/NDisaFag4a.jpg)
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haha, how is my argument biased and ignorant when it's based on fact? I'm using objective, visual criteria which anyone can use to arrive at the same observation. Now contrast this with your argument which rests entirely on the assumption that one man's opinion is correct.
I honestly couldn't care less if Dorian had better conditioning. The only reason I entertain your nonsense is to show the hypocrisy of you picking which quotes to accept or ignore. You cling to any quote which supports your belief that Dorian had better conditioning yet ignore the myriad of quotes that say Ronnie is the better bodybuilder. Each time you default to a Dorian quote praising his conditioning, all I have to do is post 10 more announcing Ronnie as the greatest bodybuilder of all-time to expose how weak your argument is. ;)
I quoted you verbatim, dumbass. Go back and read your own post. I even took a screen capture in case you tried to edit your post to make it seem like I changed your words. You can't talk yourself out of this one.
haha, how is my argument biased and ignorant when it's based on fact? I'm using objective, visual criteria which anyone can use to arrive at the same observation. Now contrast this with your argument which rests entirely on the assumption that one man's opinion is correct.
How is biased? when you're coming to conclusions based on inaccurate means , how is it ignorant? you still don't know what conditioning is and isn't. You're NOT objective you you're willing to gloss over facts visual facts? pictures and video screencaps from different sources is NOT objective or accurate , in order to form an opinion you would have to know what you're talking about and you don't
My opinion is not simply based on a single opinion NOT true I posted quotes from many well respected experts on the subject including Dorian Yates who is an IFBB judge . I wouldn't be so presumptuous to claim I know who is better condition comparing a magazine scan to a video screen capture on the fucking internet despite never once seeing either live and in person and telling the people who have that they're wrong and you are right , that alone proves you're ignorant , biased and stupid especially when you add the fact Yates looks eons better in person than media a point you're willing to overlook
My argument is I can't fucking tell who is better via such inaccurate means so I'll take it on the authority of a eyewitnesses and a very well respected one at that who is really objective and honest , on an IFBB judge as well as others , this my stupid little friend is really being objective and to be fair on many times I've said Ronnie may have equaled Dorian for that density & dryness albeit lighter and I don't have to but I like to entertain points for the sake of argument
I honestly couldn't care less if Dorian had better conditioning. The only reason I entertain your nonsense is to show the hypocrisy of you picking which quotes to accept or ignore. You cling to any quote which supports your belief that Dorian had better conditioning yet ignore the myriad of quotes that say Ronnie is the better bodybuilder. Each time you default to a Dorian quote praising his conditioning, all I have to do is post 10 more announcing Ronnie as the greatest bodybuilder of all-time to expose how weak your argument
Bullshit you fought it tooth and nail and you really do believe Ronnie is better conditioned because he has more visible striations , separations etc on media , you've gone to great lengths to deny the experts and that McGough crushed you and your bullshit in one fell swoop
First, I didn't disagree with Peter McGough's claim that Ronnie was never harder or drier than Dorian.
again your quote
I'm sorry but Peter McGough is an idiot if he thinks 01 ASC Ronnie never surpassed Dorian's conditioning.
I'll agree Ronnie is the greatest bodybuilder of all-time even Dorian himself said he may be , it doesn't effect the debate one iota , statistically Ronnie is which has NOTHING to do with conditioning and nothing to do with Dorian , he never faced Dorian for ANY of his wins and never beat Dorian .
I quoted you verbatim, dumbass. Go back and read your own post. I even took a screen capture in case you tried to edit your post to make it seem like I changed your words. You can't talk yourself out of this
WRONG and I'll beat you to the screencap notice you responded to me " blah blah blah " oppppsss that's NOT what I typed you changed it because you didn't want to respond to my post ;) see attached
You have no argument to speak of , NONE what so ever I'll give you credit for trying it's more than Hulkster does but you fail as always ad hominem attacks , subterfuge , semantics , appeals to numbers , diversion , bias , ignorance . I mean you use every single faulty argument and keep posting out of some selfish pride thinking to somehow how saves you from looking like a compete idiot and it doesn't . You just came in here bitching about how you guys are still at it while trying to impress people with your resume ( not the first time ) and where are you? right back in another Yates thread trolling nothing more but keep posting and I'll keep exposing how ignorant you are.
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does anyone else think ND is an idiot for not understanding what I'm asking?
wrong, they both said 01 ASC Ronnie is pretty much untouchable except by 93 pre-contest Dorian.
you argue that Dorian has better conditioning and balance. So why would he also need to outweigh Ronnie by 20 lbs to compete with him?
why didn't they pick 93 Mr. O Dorian or 95 Mr. O Dorian? Now do you follow what I'm saying?
Why do you keep asking a question you already have the answer to? Dorian still has better conditioning & balance no matter what year I can only speak for McGough because he's elaborated on it
Peter McGough
He was 269 pounds of rock-hard shapely (yes, shapely) head-to-toe muscle. I had never seen anything like it. It was simply the best physique I had ever seen up to that point.
Peter McGough Ironage
June 06 , 2003
The later photos were taken in his gym about seven weeks before the 1993 Olympia. He'd just finished a chest workout and he weighed 269 pounds. If I had to rate my most memorable bodybuilding moment the sight of Dorian that day would be neck-and-neck with the first time I saw Sergio. He hit the first shot, double biceps, and I walked up to him and said, "Don't worry Dorian. You have plenty of time to fix this. All is not lost."
I told him he could walk on to the Olympia stage in that condition weighing 269 pounds, untanned, with his socks on and still win.
For the 1993 Olympia he came in at 257 pounds and took straight firsts. We discussed it many times, and he sort of agreed that six weeks out was his best look, but knowing that the criteria was "condition, condition, condition" he always dropped bodyweight and lost -- in my opinion -- muscle roundness.
Dorian's shape and muscle roundness was BETTER in the precontest pics his delts are bigger and rounder , his lats have better sweep his arms are huge I personally think it's the best he's ever looked
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How is biased? when you're coming to conclusions based on inaccurate means , how is it ignorant? you still don't know what conditioning is and isn't. You're NOT objective you you're willing to gloss over facts visual facts? pictures and video screencaps from different sources is NOT objective or accurate , in order to form an opinion you would have to know what you're talking about and you don't
now you're really losing touch with reality. Pics and videos from different sources that corroborate my argument are inaccurate, yet they are accurate enough for Peter McGough to change his opinion about pre-contest Dorian. ::)
also, I'm using objective criteria which anyone can use yet my argument is "biased" and "not objective?" hahaha, sure.
basically, your argument amounts to this: "I don't really have a logical argument so I'm gonna make up anything I can to discredit yours."
WRONG and I'll beat you to the screencap notice you responded to me " blah blah blah " oppppsss that's NOT what I typed you changed it because you didn't want to respond to my post see attached
<yawn> go back and read posts 106 & 107, dumbass.
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Why do you keep asking a question you already have the answer to? Dorian still has better conditioning & balance no matter what year I can only speak for McGough because he's elaborated on it
my god, you are illiterate. If Dorian already has better conditioning and balance, then why do Peter McGough and Shawn Perine feel the only version that could touch 01 ASC Ronnie is a pre-contest Dorian that outweighs him by 20 lbs? They both specifically mention Dorian 6 weeks out from the 93 Mr. Olympia. It's like you're purposely avoiding an answer b/c it would prove that Dorian didn't have better conditioning or balance at the 93 or 95 Mr. O.
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now you're really losing touch with reality. Pics and videos from different sources that corroborate my argument are inaccurate, yet they are accurate enough for Peter McGough to change his opinion about pre-contest Dorian. ::)
also, I'm using objective criteria which anyone can use yet my argument is "biased" and "not objective?" hahaha, sure.
basically, your argument amounts to this: "I don't really have a logical argument so I'm gonna make up anything I can to discredit yours."
<yawn> go back and read posts 106 & 107, dumbass.
now you're really losing touch with reality. Pics and videos from different sources that corroborate my argument are inaccurate, yet they are accurate enough for Peter McGough to change his opinion about pre-contest Dorian. ::)
also, I'm using objective criteria which anyone can use yet my argument is "biased" and "not objective?" hahaha, sure.
Sighs can you possibly be that dense? FYI Neo McGough was present at the unveiling of Yates physique at 269 pounds , FYI Neo McGough was at the 2001 Arnold Classic in fact he was there for every Yates win in fact he was there for every Coleman win ! When you learn ? he was there YOU weren't EVER you can not under any circumstances comment on who is better conditioned unless you seen them both live and in person , pics & video pale in comparison
Neo you keep glossing over the fact Dorian doesn't look as good in pics or video so to try and attempt to decide who is better knowing this proves you can't be objective or unbiased
basically, your argument amounts to this: "I don't really have a logical argument so I'm gonna make up anything I can to discredit yours."
I have an argument it it doesn't hinge on weak positions , my argument is Dorian is better conditioned and I have proven this from first hand witnesses seeing as I was there NO diversion needed , no personal attacks , no subterfuge , my argument hasn't budged in years , Dorian would beat Ronnie because he's bigger , harder , drier and better balanced and unlike you I have experts to back up my claims
<yawn> go back and read posts 106 & 107, dumbass.
yawn nothing you thought I was talking about something else and got excited for a moment ;) I wasn't referring to that and my point is proven YOU changed my quote because you were looking for a way out like you do often you respond to what you want gloss over the things you don't textbook example of a confused and defeated boy
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my god, you are illiterate. If Dorian already has better conditioning and balance, then why do Peter McGough and Shawn Perine feel the only version that could touch 01 ASC Ronnie is a pre-contest Dorian that outweighs him by 20 lbs? They both specifically mention Dorian 6 weeks out from the 93 Mr. Olympia. It's like you're purposely avoiding an answer b/c it would prove that Dorian didn't have better conditioning or balance at the 93 or 95 Mr. O.
MORON I answered you SHAPE & ROUNDNESS hello are you high dude? seriously? Dorian ALWAYS has better conditioning & balance than Ronnie ANY year that wont change , muscle length doesn't change , leg length doesn't change , neither does torso length etc
SHAPE & ROUNDNESS which Dorian tended to diet away thinking he was getting better conditioned when in fact he admitted in hindsight all he was doing was burning off muscle
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does anyone else think ND is an idiot for not understanding what I'm asking?
ND has always had serious trouble with reading comprehension and simple logic.
this is nothing new.
and he plays dumb too.
if you know that the answer to a question will hurt your argument, simply pretend you don't understand the question and therefore avoid answering it.
its one of the oldest (and saddest) tricks in the book for idiots on the losing side of an argument..
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this is a no brainer. ND is wrong as always.
2001 AC ronnie crushes dorian easily. even if he is 10 pounds lighter:
I disagree entirely. Both look great in the pics you posted and it would be very, very close if the competed.
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ND has always had serious trouble with reading comprehension and simple logic.
this is nothing new.
and he plays dumb too.
if you know that the answer to a question will hurt your argument, simply pretend you don't understand the question and therefore avoid answering it.
its one of the oldest (and saddest) tricks in the book for idiots on the losing side of an argument..
irony alert you're one of the dumbest guys on here
You've denied and contradicted every single expert , made up quotes and used worked pics what was that again about the losing side of the argument? ;)
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hahaha, ND has already lost. Not only is he contradicting himself and claiming that shape alone is as important as being 20 lbs heavier with better conditioning and balance, but now he's reduced to lying.
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hahaha, ND has already lost. Not only is he contradicting himself and claiming that shape alone is as important as being 20 lbs heavier with better conditioning and balance, but now he's been reduced to lying.
Still can't grasp what I said huh? :-\
contradict much? pot meet mr kettle
First, I didn't disagree with Peter McGough's claim that Ronnie was never harder or drier than Dorian.
again your quote
I'm sorry but Peter McGough is an idiot if he thinks 01 ASC Ronnie never surpassed Dorian's conditioning.
You have the audacity to ask how does McGough come to the conclusion whose better conditioned without hydrostatically weighing them both you came to your ' conclusion ' without doing the same
hypocrite much?
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Sighs can you possibly be that dense? FYI Neo McGough was present at the unveiling of Yates physique at 269 pounds , FYI Neo McGough was at the 2001 Arnold Classic in fact he was there for every Yates win in fact he was there for every Coleman win ! When you learn ? he was there YOU weren't EVER you can not under any circumstances comment on who is better conditioned unless you seen them both live and in person , pics & video pale in comparison
Peter McGough saw 93 pre-contest Dorian and 01 ASC Ronnie, and thought Ronnie was better. ;)
it wasn't until the video - the same means which you claim is "inaccurate" - of the photoshoot came out that Peter reconsidered.
so which is it, dumbass? If seeing them in person is more accurate, then Ronnie is better since he is on record for saying that. If videos are good enough to change one's mind 16 yrs later, then they are good enough to judge physiques. It's one or the other. Either way, you're f*cked.
Neo you keep glossing over the fact Dorian doesn't look as good in pics or video so to try and attempt to decide who is better knowing this proves you can't be objective or unbiased
you keep glossing over the fact that many reputable bodybuilding insiders (you know? like Peter McGough whom you love to cite as "proof") are on record for saying that Ronnie at his best is unbeatable. ;)
I have an argument it it doesn't hinge on weak positions , my argument is Dorian is better conditioned and I have proven this from first hand witnesses seeing as I was there NO diversion needed , no personal attacks , no subterfuge , my argument hasn't budged in years , Dorian would beat Ronnie because he's bigger , harder , drier and better balanced and unlike you I have experts to back up my claims
you don't have an argument. You can't have an argument without evidence to support it. An empty statement like "Dorian is better conditioned" is merely an opinion that you're trying to pass off as fact. I've asked you many times what objective, visual criteria are you using. So far, no answer.
yawn nothing you thought I was talking about something else and got excited for a moment I wasn't referring to that and my point is proven YOU changed my quote because you were looking for a way out like you do often you respond to what you want gloss over the things you don't textbook example of a confused and defeated boy
haha, you can't talk your way out of this. You accused me of getting desperate immediately after I quoted you as saying your statement is based on wishful thinking. The only way your defense would be believable is if you admit you like to reply to older posts by quoting and responding to the most recent one, in which case that would make you a retard.
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MORON I answered you SHAPE & ROUNDNESS hello are you high dude? seriously? Dorian ALWAYS has better conditioning & balance than Ronnie ANY year that wont change , muscle length doesn't change , leg length doesn't change , neither does torso length etc
so according to you, Ronnie's shape is so superior that it would defeat a 10 lbs heavier Dorian with better conditioning and balance (e.g. 93 & 95 Mr O)?
that's basically what you're saying b/c I've asked this repeatedly in different ways and you've reproduced the same answer.
this puts to rest the question of who would win between 01 ASC Ronnie and 93 and 95 Mr. Olympia Dorian. ;)
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ND, keep drinking my milkshake. Maybe the extra protein will make you smarter. lol
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Peter McGough saw 93 pre-contest Dorian and 01 ASC Ronnie, and thought Ronnie was better. ;)
it wasn't until the video - the same means which you claim is "inaccurate" - of the photoshoot came out that Peter reconsidered.
so which is it, dumbass? If seeing them in person is more accurate, then Ronnie is better since he is on record for saying that. If videos are good enough to change one's mind 16 yrs later, then they are good enough to judge physiques. It's one or the other. Either way, you're f*cked.
you keep glossing over the fact that many reputable bodybuilding insiders (you know? like Peter McGough whom you love to cite as "proof") are on record for saying that Ronnie at his best is unbeatable. ;)
you don't have an argument. You can't have an argument without evidence to support it. An empty statement like "Dorian is better conditioned" is merely an opinion that you're trying to pass off as fact. I've asked you many times what objective, visual criteria are you using. So far, no answer.
haha, you can't talk your way out of this. You accused me of getting desperate immediately after I quoted you as saying your statement is based on wishful thinking. The only way your defense would be believable is if you admit you like to reply to older posts by quoting and responding to the most recent one, in which case that would make you a retard.
Peter McGough saw 93 pre-contest Dorian and 01 ASC Ronnie, and thought Ronnie was better. ;)
it wasn't until the video - the same means which you claim is "inaccurate" - of the photoshoot came out that Peter reconsidered.
so which is it, dumbass? If seeing them in person is more accurate, then Ronnie is better since he is on record for saying that. If videos are good enough to change one's mind 16 yrs later, then they are good enough to judge physiques. It's one or the other. Either way, you're f*cked.
You're scrambling for anything out of desperation and this is what you come up with? Neo the difference between how he came to his conclusion and you is he saw them live and in person to begin with and you never did ;) the difference Neo is he knows what great conditioning is you don't ;) the difference Neo is Dorian looks better in person than he does in pics and video ;)
Dorian who is an IFBB judge has said specific to this debate he's better conditioned than Ronnie he's an IFBB judge you're contradicting many professionals you thought you had something with this bullshit
Bob Chick GetBig 10 - 05 - 2007
THis is why pictures will never replace actually being there, in person and close to the stage....
Neo you're the one that's fucked kid ;)
you keep glossing over the fact that many reputable bodybuilding insiders (you know? like Peter McGough whom you love to cite as "proof") are on record for saying that Ronnie at his best is unbeatable. ;)
McGough's quote has been amended ;) and you Neo did a piss-poor job of deflecting from my statement
you don't have an argument. You can't have an argument without evidence to support it. An empty statement like "Dorian is better conditioned" is merely an opinion that you're trying to pass off as fact. I've asked you many times what objective, visual criteria are you using. So far, no answer.
Hahahahahaha an empty statement confirmed by an IFBB judge and multiple eyewitnesses , your projecting your own failure to provide evidence you posted pics and typed ' see ' NOT proof stupid. I told you before I'm not claiming he's better conditioned I'm repeating those who said it , I don't have the audacity to claim for certain who is because I wasn't there so I'll take it on an authority of people who were , pictures and video are far to limited to come up with a definitive answer especially considered the many variables which you're willing to overlook ( bias , ignorance , stupidity )
haha, you can't talk your way out of this. You accused me of getting desperate immediately after I quoted you as saying your statement is based on wishful thinking. The only way your defense would be believable is if you admit you like to reply to older posts by quoting and responding to the most recent one, in which case that would make you a retard.
You changed my quote to ' blah blah blah ' and never responded to my original quote and it was NOT the one you posted , you changed my entire quote to ' blah blah blah ' out of desperation this is a fact.
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so according to you, Ronnie's shape is so superior that it would defeat a 10 lbs heavier Dorian with better conditioning and balance (e.g. 93 & 95 Mr O)?
that's basically what you're saying b/c I've asked this repeatedly in different ways and you've reproduced the same answer.
this puts to rest the question of who would win between 01 ASC Ronnie and 93 and 95 Mr. Olympia Dorian. ;)
Presuming to speak for me , I answered your question already kid ;) maybe you can change my words around like before ;D
Dorian 1993/95 is still better conditioned , carries more muscular bulk and has better balance ;) IFBB judges like that
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ND, keep drinking my milkshake. Maybe the extra protein will make you smarter. lol
Homo-projection , you're the one who wants me to ' swallow your milkshake ' I never said that , ever more of you changing my words around ;) what's on your mind kid? :-X
You're getting your ass kicked in this thread and now are reduced to this nonsense like I said you're to proud to admit you're owned and think if you keep responding you don't look as stupid but let me do you a favor you're lost and looking for a way out and this is all you have left , keep trying.
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Dorian 1993/95 is still better conditioned , carries more muscular bulk and has better balance IFBB judges like that
but in 95, also has a horribly deformed left arm, poor quads, wide waist, and much uglier muscle shape than Ronnie.
all of the above applies in 93 except for the torn arm part.
judges hate that :P.
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notice how a not even in contest shape 99 ronnie crushes a supposedly best ever shape 95 dorian LOL
93 dorian is the only way to go.
95 had that horrid left arm.. :-\
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You're scrambling for anything out of desperation and this is what you come up with? Neo the difference between how he came to his conclusion and you is he saw them live and in person to begin with and you never did the difference Neo is he knows what great conditioning is you don't the difference Neo is Dorian looks better in person than he does in pics and video
you never answered my question. ;)
so which is it, dumbass? If seeing them in person is more accurate, then Ronnie is better since he is on record for saying that. If videos are good enough to change one's mind 16 yrs later, then they are good enough to judge physiques. It's one or the other.
McGough's quote has been amended and you Neo did a piss-poor job of deflecting from my statement
hahaha, poor ND is too stupid to realize when he's lost. You're so hung up on putting me in 'check' that you failed to realize I 'checkmated' you with all the quotes saying Ronnie at his best is unbeatable.
Hahahahahaha an empty statement confirmed by an IFBB judge and multiple eyewitnesses , your projecting your own failure to provide evidence you posted pics and typed ' see ' NOT proof stupid. I told you before I'm not claiming he's better conditioned I'm repeating those who said it , I don't have the audacity to claim for certain who is because I wasn't there so I'll take it on an authority of people who were , pictures and video are far to limited to come up with a definitive answer especially considered the many variables which you're willing to overlook ( bias , ignorance , stupidity
what objective, visual criteria are you using?
You changed my quote to ' blah blah blah ' and never responded to my original quote and it was NOT the one you posted , you changed my entire quote to ' blah blah blah ' out of desperation this is a fact.
again, the only way your defense would be believable is if you admit you like to reply to older posts by quoting and responding to the most recent one, in which case that would make you a retard.
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but in 95, also has a horribly deformed left arm, poor quads, wide waist, and much uglier muscle shape than Ronnie.
all of the above applies in 93 except for the torn arm part.
judges hate that :P.
Keep trolling kid you're another who is lost in this debate
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ND can't bullshit his way out of this one. its game over.
no wonder he ran from the truce thread.
he always loses and loses badly.
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you never answered my question. ;)
so which is it, dumbass? If seeing them in person is more accurate, then Ronnie is better since he is on record for saying that. If videos are good enough to change one's mind 16 yrs later, then they are good enough to judge physiques. It's one or the other.
hahaha, poor ND is too stupid to realize when he's lost. You're so hung up on putting me in 'check' that you failed to realize I 'checkmated' you with all the quotes saying Ronnie at his best is unbeatable.
what objective, visual criteria are you using?
again, the only way your defense would be believable is if you admit you like to reply to older posts by quoting and responding to the most recent one, in which case that would make you a retard.
you never answered my question. ;)
so which is it, dumbass? If seeing them in person is more accurate, then Ronnie is better since he is on record for saying that. If videos are good enough to change one's mind 16 yrs later, then they are good enough to judge physiques. It's one or the other.
I answered you and as usual YOU don't like the answer because it exposes your weak position and ironically you're the guy who changed my quote around totally ignoring , so don't be a hypocrite an claim people aren't answering you , I respond to everything you type and correct it
hahaha, poor ND is too stupid to realize when he's lost. You're so hung up on putting me in 'check' that you failed to realize I 'checkmated' you with all the quotes saying Ronnie at his best is unbeatable.
Sure you have which is exactly why you're in another Dorian Yates thread trying to prove Ronnie is better ;) when you have all the quotes from IFBB judges saying Ronnie would beat Dorian then you might be working with something but as usual you have nothing but a popular opinion ;) i.e. weak logic an appeal to numbers , You're obsessed with me hence why I'm in your sig , why you tried that pathetic internet-challenge LMFAO and why you're in another Dorian Yates thread trolling , if it was checkmate the game would be over but low and behold here you are ;D
what objective, visual criteria are you using?
You mean what objective criteria are they using?
again, the only way your defense would be believable is if you admit you like to reply to older posts by quoting and responding to the most recent one, in which case that would make you a retard.
You changed my quote and never responded keep trying to distance yourself from this
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ND can't bullshit his way out of this one. its game over.
no wonder he ran from the truce thread.
he always loses and loses badly.
Hahahahaha it's been game over for years you're the idiot who is the sore loser
This ended the game ;)
Taken out of FLEX nov 1999, page 90. interview by jim schmaltz with ronnie before the 99 Olympia.
Jim: What would have happened last year if Dorian Yates (recently retired winner of 6 straight Mr. Olympias) had competed?
Ronnie: Dorian would have won again.
Jim: You think so?
Ronnie: I know so.
Special Ed : Ronnie of Dorian competed in 1998 would you have smoked him?
Ronnie Coleman : NO I think he would have kept on winning as long as he competed I don't think he would have lost.
Thanks for playing but we do have some lovely parting gifts for you
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Presuming to speak for me , I answered your question already kid maybe you can change my words around like before
there is no "presuming" to speak for you. I asked you many times why Peter McGough and Shawn Perine specifically chose 93 pre-contest Dorian as the only version that could touch 01 ASC Ronnie. You made it clear that Ronnie's shape is the reason why Dorian would need to outweigh Ronnie by 20 lbs in order to compete with him. Again, your words.
so there you have it. 01 ASC Ronnie would beat 93 & 95 Mr. O Dorian. The only version that could maybe touch Ron would be a 20 lbs heavier Dorian.
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I answered you and as usual YOU don't like the answer because it exposes your weak position and ironically you're the guy who changed my quote around totally ignoring , so don't be a hypocrite an claim people aren't answering you , I respond to everything you type and correct it
wrong, you never answered my question. Are videos inaccurate or not? Yes or no?
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there is no "presuming" to speak for you. I asked you many times why Peter McGough and Shawn Perine specifically chose 93 pre-contest Dorian as the only version that could touch 01 ASC Ronnie. You made it clear that Ronnie's shape is the reason why Dorian would need to outweigh Ronnie by 20 lbs in order to compete with him. Again, your words.
so there you have it. 01 ASC Ronnie would beat 93 & 95 Mr. O Dorian. The only version that could maybe touch Ron would be a 20 lbs heavier Dorian.
I never said Ronnie's shape is the reason Dorian would need to outweigh him , do yourself a favor and go back and reread what I typed ;)
01 ASC is still behind density , dryness ( perhaps it's equal ) Dorian has the advantage in muscular bulk and balance ANY year
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notice how a not even in contest shape 99 ronnie crushes a supposedly best ever shape 95 dorian LOL
93 dorian is the only way to go.
95 had that horrid left arm.. :-\
Ronnie had two horribly deformed calves but that's okay? hypocrite much?
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I never said Ronnie's shape is the reason Dorian would need to outweigh him , do yourself a favor and go back and reread what I typed
??? ??? ???
my question:
"If Dorian already has better conditioning and balance, then why do Peter McGough and Shawn Perine feel the only version that could touch 01 ASC Ronnie is a pre-contest Dorian that outweighs him by 20 lbs?"
Because as McGough said when Dorian dieted down to much he lost his shape and I agree
The reason why Peter thinks Dorian at 269 would beat Ronnie is because Dorian's shape is better at that weight than when he was lighter
Dorian's shape and muscle roundness was BETTER in the precontest pics
MORON I answered you SHAPE & ROUNDNESS
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??? ??? ???
my question:
"If Dorian already has better conditioning and balance, then why do Peter McGough and Shawn Perine feel the only version that could touch 01 ASC Ronnie is a pre-contest Dorian that outweighs him by 20 lbs?"
Because of Dorian's shape , the McGough quotes says specifically Ronnie was NEVER harder or drier
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Because of Dorian's shape , the McGough quotes says specifically Ronnie was NEVER harder or drier
so according to you, the reason Peter McGough and Shawn Perine specifically chose 93 pre-contest Dorian as the only version that could touch 01 ASC Ronnie is b/c Ronnie's shape is so superior that it would defeat a 10 lbs heavier Dorian (ala 93 and 95 Mr. Olympia) with better conditioning and balance.
this puts to rest the question of who would win between 01 ASC Ronnie and 93 and 95 Mr. Olympia Dorian. ;)
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so according to you, the reason Peter McGough and Shawn Perine specifically chose 93 pre-contest Dorian as the only version that could touch 01 ASC Ronnie is b/c Ronnie's shape is so superior that it would defeat a 10 lbs heavier Dorian (ala 93 and 95 Mr. Olympia) with better conditioning and balance.
No that's you trying to connect the dots
Dorian still has better balance & conditioning every year and more muscular bulk depending on year
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No that's you trying to connect the dots
lmao, there is no connecting the dots. That's exactly what you're saying. Last time I checked, "the only version" didn't mean 3 or 4 different versions. :D
if Peter McGough and Shawn Perine thought 93 or 95 Mr. Olympia Dorian could touch Ronnie, they would have said so but they both say 01 ASC Ronnie is untouchable except by 93 pre-contest Dorian.
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still waiting for you to answer ;)
wrong, you never answered my question. Are videos inaccurate or not? Yes or no?
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lmao, there is no connecting the dots. That's exactly what you're saying. Last time I checked, "the only version" didn't mean 3 or 4 different versions. :D
No that's you coming to your own conclusions
judges still look at density & dryness ( favors Dorian 1995/1993 ) balance ( Dorian every year ) muscular bulk ( Dorian 257-260 pounds ) posing & presentation
you're willing to forget the criteria because you're looking for any angle NOT how it works , the criteria is always how the judges rule , who does the criteria favor? ;)
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still waiting for you to answer ;)
I'm still waiting for you to respond to the quote you modified and the entire post you bitched about that I fixed , and playing stupid doesn't change the fact everything you asked is responded to
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No that's you coming to your own conclusions
judges still look at density & dryness ( favors Dorian 1995/1993 ) balance ( Dorian every year ) muscular bulk ( Dorian 257-260 pounds ) posing & presentation
you're willing to forget the criteria because you're looking for any angle NOT how it works , the criteria is always how the judges rule , who does the criteria favor?
what does this have to do with Peter McGough and Shawn Perine both feeling that 93 and 95 Mr. Olympia Dorian couldn't touch 01 ASC Ronnie?
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I love it!!! Peter McGough (ND's savior of bodybuilding) acknowledges that 01 ASC Ronnie would beat 93 and 95 Mr. Olympia Dorian and ND scoffs at the idea, yet clings to McGough's quote about Dorian's conditioning like a fly on shit.
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what does this have to do with Peter McGough and Shawn Perine both feeling that 93 and 95 Mr. Olympia Dorian couldn't touch 01 ASC Ronnie?
Oh the old semantics game so they said the only version who would beat Ronnie was 93 precontest so that means they also feel 1998/1999/2003 Olympia couldn't touch Dorian either and I'm sure you agree with that ;D
Dorian's combo 93 precontest of size , shape , conditioning and balance would be in my opinion to much for ANY version of Ronnie to beat
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ND claims that video is "inaccurate" to judge physiques yet it's good enough for Peter McGough (ND's savior of bodybuilding) to reconsider 16 yrs later after watching a video of pre-contest Dorian.
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I love it!!! Peter McGough (ND's savior of bodybuilding) acknowledges that 01 ASC Ronnie would beat 93 and 95 Mr. Olympia Dorian and ND scoffs at the idea, yet clings to McGough's quote about Dorian's conditioning like a fly on shit.
The difference which you can't seem to grasp is .................. comparing two greats at different eras is subjective and conditioning is NOT , moron learn the difference
You're the moron who clings to this notion that McGough is right when he says 2001 is unbeatable but they says he's WRONG when he says Ronnie was never drier or harder , you're a hypocrite and not a very bright one at that
Dorian an IFBB judge mind you said himself he is better balanced and better conditioned and when posed the question if he could beat Ronnie he said he would have to chose his 1995 Olympia showing ;) I agree with him as well
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ND claims that video is "inaccurate" to judge physiques yet it's good enough for Peter McGough (ND's savior of bodybuilding) to reconsider 16 yrs later after watching a video of pre-contest Dorian.
More weak logic by someone trying very hard
The difference stupid is McGough was actually there he's NOT I repeat not going by video alone , thanks for playing moron
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I love it!!! Peter McGough (ND's savior of bodybuilding) acknowledges that 01 ASC Ronnie would beat 93 and 95 Mr. Olympia Dorian and ND scoffs at the idea, yet clings to McGough's quote about Dorian's conditioning like a fly on shit.
ND has always only chosen whichever quotes fit his agenda, and disregarded/ignored everything else.
this is how he operates.
its pathetic, wrong and stupid.
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ND has always only chosen whichever quotes fit his agenda, and disregarded/ignored everything else.
this is how he operates.
its pathetic, wrong and stupid.
Hypocrite , you're infamous for these especially in the light of the Ronnie quotes who ruined it all for you
Ronnie says Dorian would beat him on multiple occasions , hahahahahah how does that fit your agenda dummy?
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The difference stupid is McGough was actually there he's NOT I repeat not going by video alone
correct. he was also going by his personal bias of being good friends and fellow countrymen with dorian.
thats why he said something as stupid as dorian's precontest condtioning being better than ronnie's best contest condition, something easily refuted by, well, everything in existence.. ::)
ronnie matched if not surpassed dorian's conditioning, precontest or otherwise:
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Hypocrite , you're infamous for these especially in the light of the Ronnie quotes who ruined it all for you
Ronnie says Dorian would beat him on multiple occasions , hahahahahah how does that fit your agenda dummy?
I don't have an agenda when it comes to quotes and opinions.
never have. but you do and its very easy to beat you at your own game, given all the praise out there for ronnie, even by people like Peter McGough.
people are stupid and can be influenced by many factors (like being english and friends with dorian) but the camera and videotape cannot.
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watch the 1996 german gran prix and see the best that Yates brought to the stage. over and out, unbeatable.
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correct. he was also going by his personal bias of being good friends and fellow countrymen with dorian.
thats why he said something as stupid as dorian's precontest condtioning being better than ronnie's best contest condition, something easily refuted by, well, everything in existence.. ::)
ronnie matched if not surpassed dorian's conditioning, precontest or otherwise:
Sure he did ::) especially in the more detailed calves like you claimed , these are the horribly deformed calves that are supposed to me more detailed than Dorian HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA jackass
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watch the 1996 german gran prix and see the best that Yates brought to the stage. over and out, unbeatable.
LOL my ass:
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1996 LMAO: ::)
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LOL
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I don't have an agenda when it comes to quotes and opinions.
never have. but you do and its very easy to beat you at your own game, given all the praise out there for ronnie, even by people like Peter McGough.
people are stupid and can be influenced by many factors (like being english and friends with dorian) but the camera and videotape cannot.
Ronnie OWNS YOU forget what everyone else said Ronnie has spoken and Dorians kicks ass as as usual
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LOL my ass:
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1996 LMAO: ::)
lol Where was Ronnie at this contest? 6th LMFAO owned
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no, 99/2001AC ronnie did not compete at that contest.
if he did it would have been a massacre.
the ronnie that competed was so shitty he got his ass kicked by everyone.
but that was the norm when Ronnie was crappy long before he peaked.
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no, 99/2001AC ronnie did not compete at that contest.
if he did it would have been a massacre.
the ronnie that competed was so shitty he got his ass kicked by everyone.
but that was the norm when Ronnie was crappy long before he peaked.
Ronnie 99 said Dorian would kick his ass , thanks for playing
you hate quotes because you don't have Ronnie saying he would beat Dorian
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Ronnie 99 said Dorian would kick his ass , thanks for playing
you hate quotes because you don't have Ronnie saying he would beat Dorian
yes we do. He has stated that he would win before. Neo has the quotes.
you lose.
there is an interview where he states "this is the era of Ronnie Coleman" who else would win?"
its in the truce thread somewhere.
maybe if you hadn't pussied out (coward) you would know that.. ::)
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yes we do. He has stated that he would win before. Neo has the quotes.
you lose.
there is an interview where he states "this is the era of Ronnie Coleman" who else would win?"
its in the truce thread somewhere.
maybe if you hadn't pussied out (coward) you would know that.. ::)
Show me where Ronnie Coleman says " I would beat Dorian Yates " you can't never could , Ronnie's remained consistent in his feeling that Dorian would beat him
Oh no he called me coward lmfao grow up Ronnie ended the Truce thread and you hate him for it which is why you keep trying to downplay what he said , Dorian beats Ronnie as usual
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Dorian at his absolute worse beat this version of Ronnie , hahahahahaha Dorian at his best would distance himself from Ronnie at his best
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Show me where Ronnie Coleman says " I would beat Dorian Yates " you can't never could , Ronnie's remained consistent in his feeling that Dorian would beat him
wrong. in this particular interview when asked who would win, he said he would.
not much you can do to get out of this one.
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Dorian at his absolute worse beat this version of Ronnie , hahahahahaha Dorian at his best would distance himself from Ronnie at his best
Ronnie looks amazing there.
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and yet he looked even better when he won his first few Mr. O's..
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Hulkster is a pathetic troll at times. Just mention the name Dorian Yates and you know he'll be there, making the same old lame, retarded arguments that have been refuted, laughed at and proven wrong by ND and co just about every single time.
I'm surprised he hasn't posted his sharpened pics of Ronnie from the 99 Olympia in this thread yet - hopefully, they'll be posted on page 4 of this thread (fingers crossed) ::)
Bump. Another thread ruined, thanks to the same old, tiresome garbage from Hulkster.
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ND, since you only seem to speak retard I will try to make this as simple as possible for you to understand.
how come Peter McGough and Shawn Perine both feel that a 10 lbs heavier Dorian with better conditioning and balance wouldn't beat 01 ASC Ronnie?
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wrong. in this particular interview when asked who would win, he said he would.
not much you can do to get out of this one.
No he didn't he never once committed to an answer you're a liar
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Bump. Another thread ruined, thanks to the same old, tiresome garbage from Hulkster.
QFT
a simple thread about a cool video that has nothing to do with Ronnie and Troll Hulkster and his Troll but-buddy Neo have to exercise their insecurities
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ND, since you only seem to speak retard I will try to make this as simple as possible for you to understand.
how come Peter McGough and Shawn Perine both feel that a 10 lbs heavier Dorian with better conditioning and balance wouldn't beat 01 ASC Ronnie?
You're looking for answers to questions yet you completely avoid mine when you're lost and then you're also asking me to speculate on what other people are thinking in a cheap attempt at drawing your own conclusions
How come both feel 2003 is inferior to 2001? despite being 40 pounds heavier ?
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QFT
a simple thread about a cool video that has nothing to do with Ronnie and Troll Hulkster and his Troll but-buddy Neo have to exercise their insecurities
Why not just ignore them? You should just ignore them, you can clearly see they have no idea on how to judge a physique correctly and just post some pictures that have so many different variables that makes them inadequate for comparisons.
From all I've read those guys just seem as Dorian haters, pretty much obsessed with him.
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Hulkster must think all BB contest are judged by who looks best in the clasped hands most muscular and that's it.
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LOL my ass:
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1996 LMAO: ::)
i said german gran prix dick head. not the english g.p. hulkster owned again.
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You're looking for answers to questions yet you completely avoid mine when you're lost and then you're also asking me to speculate on what other people are thinking in a cheap attempt at drawing your own conclusions
not really looking for answers. I already know why 01 ASC Ronnie would beat 93 and 95 Mr. Olympia Dorian. ;)
just trying to understand your reasoning since it contradicts the opinion of bodybuilding experts.
Peter McGough and Shawn Perine both acknowledge that a 10 lbs heavier Dorian wouldn't beat 01 ASC Ronnie. They make it explicitly clear the only version that could touch Ronnie would be his 93 pre-contest form, which outweighs Ronnie by 20 lbs. Why do you think that is?
anyone with a brain can see your claim about Dorian having better conditioning and balance is wrong b/c if this were true, then Dorian wouldn't need to outweigh Ronnie by 20 lbs in order to compete. It doesn't make sense that a bodybuilder with better conditioning and balance would ALSO need to carry 20 lbs more to touch 01 ASC Ronnie.
so either Peter McGough and Shawn Perine are both wrong (which discredits anything they say) or you're wrong (far more likely).
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not really looking for answers. I already know why 01 ASC Ronnie would beat 93 and 95 Mr. Olympia Dorian. ;)
just trying to understand your reasoning since it contradicts the opinion of bodybuilding experts.
Peter McGough and Shawn Perine both acknowledge that a 10 lbs heavier Dorian wouldn't beat 01 ASC Ronnie. They make it explicitly clear the only version that could touch Ronnie would be his 93 pre-contest form, which outweighs Ronnie by 20 lbs. Why do you think that is?
anyone with a brain can see your claim about Dorian having better conditioning and balance is wrong b/c if this were true, then Dorian wouldn't need to outweigh Ronnie by 20 lbs in order to compete. It doesn't make sense that a bodybuilder with better conditioning and balance would ALSO need to carry 20 lbs more to touch 01 ASC Ronnie.
so either Peter McGough and Shawn Perine are both wrong (which discredits anything they say) or you're wrong (far more likely).
not really looking for answers. I already know why 01 ASC Ronnie would beat 93 and 95 Mr. Olympia Dorian. ;)
no you don't that's speculation on your part nothing more
just trying to understand your reasoning since it contradicts the opinion of bodybuilding experts.
Peter McGough and Shawn Perine both acknowledge that a 10 lbs heavier Dorian wouldn't beat 01 ASC Ronnie. They make it explicitly clear the only version that could touch Ronnie would be his 93 pre-contest form, which outweighs Ronnie by 20 lbs. Why do you think that is?
They never once claimed he wouldn't beat him that's you once again coming to your own conclusions and what's ironic about your posts is you flat out denied McGough as an expert but now he is when it suits your purposes ? hypocrite much kid? ;)
Another expert who you dismissed ( Dorian ) said if he were to compete against Ronnie he would choose his 1995 Olympia showing lets not forget that expert ;) the experts agree Dorian has the edge in conditioning & balance , what's left? posing , presentation and muscular bulk against a 247 pound Ronnie , seeing you're fond of drawing conclusions I'll let you draw who has the advantage in those ;D
anyone with a brain can see your claim about Dorian having better conditioning and balance is wrong b/c if this were true, then Dorian wouldn't need to outweigh Ronnie by 20 lbs in order to compete. It doesn't make sense that a bodybuilder with better conditioning and balance would ALSO need to carry 20 lbs more to touch 01 ASC Ronnie.
so either Peter McGough and Shawn Perine are both wrong (which discredits anything they say) or you're wrong (far more likely).
Dorian doesn't need to outweigh Ronnie to beat him , Dorian Yates who is an IFBB judge said specific to the topic he is better balanced & better conditioned than Ronnie but you don't want to talk about that , you're to busy trying to create anything , McGough has said Dorian's conditioning is better than Ronnie , Kevin Horton said Dorian's conditioning is unmatched to this day I mean you and Hulkster are in denial
You're so desperate for anything you're looking for any angle to discredit the experts and pass your opinion off as fact , you're exposed as ignorant , biased and stupid
Dorian said he would choose 1995 does that mean he's right and McGough & Perine and wrong? NO it's an opinion on a subjective topic , you're trying to pass off opinions on a subjective topic as right or wrong more weak logic on your behalf , desperation is leading you to commit to weak positions
I think Ronnie 2001/2003 would give Dorian a fuck-of-a-run for his money 1993/1995/93 precontest but ultimately Dorian has advantages in balance & proportion , density & dryness , posing & presentation and muscular bulk ( depending on the year )
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i said german gran prix dick head. not the english g.p. hulkster owned again.
Hahahahahaha great post ! what a fucking jackass
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no you don't that's speculation on your part nothing more
wrong, I'm using objective visual criteria which is infallible. I also have over 15 quotes from bodybuilding experts including the IFBB owner, an IFBB official, pro bodybuilders, bodybuilding promoters and magazine writers, which corroborate my argument that Ronnie at his best is unbeatable. ;)
They never once claimed he wouldn't beat him that's you once again coming to your own conclusions and what's ironic about your posts is you flat out denied McGough as an expert but now he is when it suits your purposes ? hypocrite much kid?
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Peter McGough
"While I’m on record as saying that the best physique I ever saw was Ronnie’s at the 2001 Arnold, he was never drier or harder than Dorian. In fact now that – 14 years after it happened – I recently for the first time saw the video of Dorian posing before the 1993 Olympia I have cause to rethink."
Shawn Perine Ironage Dec 11, 2004
“As much as I love Haney and my IA champs, I think Ronnie circa '98 or at the 2001 Arnold is pretty much untouchable. Except by Dorian Yates 6 weeks out from the '93 O as photographed by our own KMH. Both men, on those specific occasions carried so much dry muscle mass in good proportion and with good lines that it's almost unfair to compare them to others.”
Peter McGough and Shawn Perine both acknowledge that a 10 lbs heavier Dorian wouldn't beat 01 ASC Ronnie by making it explicitly clear the only version that could touch Ronnie would be his 93 pre-contest form, which outweighs Ronnie by 20 lbs. Why do you think that is?
either Peter McGough and Shawn Perine are both wrong (which discredits anything they say) or you're wrong (far more likely).
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the more you keep arguing, the dumber you make yourself look.
we have 2 bodybuilding experts who both claim the only way for bodybuilder X to match bodybuilder Y is to be A.
your stupid ass keeps arguing A is the same as B, C, D... ::)
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it's an opinion on a subjective topic , you're trying to pass off opinions on a subjective topic as right or wrong more weak logic on your behalf , desperation is leading you to commit to weak positions
You do the same fucking thing...only when you post some hack writer's opinion....it's the word of god.
When someone else does the same exact thing...it's "taken out of context"..."not what he meant" or some other bullshit.
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You do the same fucking thing...only when you post some hack writer's opinion....it's the word of god.
When someone else does the same exact thing...it's "taken out of context"..."not what he meant" or some other bullshit.
good post. This is why I proposed to ND an all or none approach to quotes in order to eliminate bias and ambiguity. He ignores quotes that contradict him yet posts quotes from the same f*cking guy when it's convenient for him. lol ::)
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good post. This is why I proposed to ND an all or none approach to quotes in order to eliminate bias and ambiguity. He ignores quotes that contradict him yet posts quotes from the same f*cking guy when it's convenient for him. lol ::)
It's like debating a hamster
Seriously what is the point of debating/having a spirited discussion with someone when they dismiss every valid point you make?
there is no "give and take" with ND...he has his opinion and doesn't even consider an opposing viewpoint
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It's like debating a hamster
Seriously what is the point of debating/having a spirited discussion with someone when they dismiss every valid point you make?
there is no "give and take" with ND...he has his opinion and doesn't even consider an opposing viewpoint
This is very true... ND is a sharp guy, but is far too dogmatic to be taken seriously when it comes to debates. He may as well change his title to "Dorian/IFBB Aplogist."
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wrong, I'm using objective visual criteria which is infallible. I also have over 15 quotes from bodybuilding experts including the IFBB owner, an IFBB official, pro bodybuilders, bodybuilding promoters and magazine writers, which corroborate my argument that Ronnie at his best is unbeatable. ;)
<yawn>
Peter McGough
"While I’m on record as saying that the best physique I ever saw was Ronnie’s at the 2001 Arnold, he was never drier or harder than Dorian. In fact now that – 14 years after it happened – I recently for the first time saw the video of Dorian posing before the 1993 Olympia I have cause to rethink."
Shawn Perine Ironage Dec 11, 2004
“As much as I love Haney and my IA champs, I think Ronnie circa '98 or at the 2001 Arnold is pretty much untouchable. Except by Dorian Yates 6 weeks out from the '93 O as photographed by our own KMH. Both men, on those specific occasions carried so much dry muscle mass in good proportion and with good lines that it's almost unfair to compare them to others.”
Peter McGough and Shawn Perine both acknowledge that a 10 lbs heavier Dorian wouldn't beat 01 ASC Ronnie by making it explicitly clear the only version that could touch Ronnie would be his 93 pre-contest form, which outweighs Ronnie by 20 lbs. Why do you think that is?
either Peter McGough and Shawn Perine are both wrong (which discredits anything they say) or you're wrong (far more likely).
wrong, I'm using objective visual criteria which is infallible. I also have over 15 quotes from bodybuilding experts including the IFBB owner, an IFBB official, pro bodybuilders, bodybuilding promoters and magazine writers, which corroborate my argument that Ronnie at his best is unbeatable. ;)
We are NOT talking about who is unbeatable we're talking about who is better conditioned and it's not ' infallible ' it's very much fallible when you're basing your opinion on ignorance , and inaccurate means such as two very different pictures from different sources with different lighting and especially considering you never seen them in person
Peter McGough and Shawn Perine both acknowledge that a 10 lbs heavier Dorian wouldn't beat 01 ASC Ronnie by making it explicitly clear the only version that could touch Ronnie would be his 93 pre-contest form, which outweighs Ronnie by 20 lbs. Why do you think that is?
either Peter McGough and Shawn Perine are both wrong (which discredits anything they say) or you're wrong (far more likely).
You're missing the point as usual , neither is wrong it's an opinion on a subjective topic , ask 10 more people and they'll say a different year again Dorian Yates said 1995 Olympia so according to your stupid logic either he's right or they're wrong ::)
NO ONE is wrong it's an opinion on a very subjective matter , Kevin Horton said the best he's ever seen Yates look was pre-contest 1995 is he wrong? I mean get serious.
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You do the same fucking thing...only when you post some hack writer's opinion....it's the word of god.
When someone else does the same exact thing...it's "taken out of context"..."not what he meant" or some other bullshit.
I most certainly don't do the same thing , I don't fear people's opinions on subjective topics because there is no right or wrong
You just quoted me , show me specifics don't just type some blanket statement it's ironic when Ronnie admitted Dorian would beat him I got every excuse in the book and every interpretation of what he really meant ::) Neo here actually dismissed Ronnie as " you ever hear the guy speak? he's not the smartest guy "
What's funny is I've always maintained that just because one person says it doesn't it makes it true because in the end the judges judge contests and no one else.
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good post. This is why I proposed to ND an all or none approach to quotes in order to eliminate bias and ambiguity. He ignores quotes that contradict him yet posts quotes from the same f*cking guy when it's convenient for him. lol ::)
You are the biggest hypocrite on hear besides Hulkster
First, I didn't disagree with Peter McGough's claim that Ronnie was never harder or drier than Dorian.
again your quote
I'm sorry but Peter McGough is an idiot if he thinks 01 ASC Ronnie never surpassed Dorian's conditioning.
ring a bell? now you like McGough's quote when it suits your purpose which is some attempt at dismissing 1995 but you didn't like it then , how about when it contradicted your claim Ronnie's best showing was 2003? opppss shall I posted more examples of your hypocrisy?
people in glass houses Neo shouldn't be throwing stones
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It's like debating a hamster
Seriously what is the point of debating/having a spirited discussion with someone when they dismiss every valid point you make?
there is no "give and take" with ND...he has his opinion and doesn't even consider an opposing viewpoint
He has no fucking valid points , he isn't getting credit for anything because he has nothing.
what's his valid point? he came to the conclusion on whose better conditioned from a magazine scan compared to a video screen capture despite not even knowing what constitutes great conditioning or ever once seen the two in the above live and in person and forgetting Dorian doesn't look as good as he does in pictures and video , and then having the audacity to claim that the people who have are flat-out wrong and he's right?
He has NO valid points , he doesn't know how contests are judged how can on form a valid point when he doesn't even know how the game is played? he can't. I mean if you like me to continue I can because 90% of what he typed is contradictory to facts and experts
On the contrary I consider the opposing viewpoint come to the conclusion they're wrong , correct them and send them on their way in fact specific to this debate I've said for the sake of argument that Ronnie may have matched Dorian for conditioning on many occasions so your statement like his holds no water
When it comes to being fair and objective I'm so much more so than all of them combined.
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This is very true... ND is a sharp guy, but is far too dogmatic to be taken seriously when it comes to debates. He may as well change his title to "Dorian/IFBB Aplogist."
Thanks for the compliment I think ??? :P
I don't believe in fixed contests if that makes me an apologist so be it , I don't think Ronnie should have lost either but it came a lot closer than Yates ever did
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LOL so dorian looked like shit at the 96 O, the 96 english GP, but miraculously showed up in his best ever shape at the german GP contest, which was probably a few days apart from the english one?
hahahahahahah ::)
these idiots will come up with any excuse.
did his torn biceps regrow? LOL
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LOL so dorian looked like shit at the 96 O, the 96 english GP, but miraculously showed up in his best ever shape at the german GP contest, which was probably a few days apart from the english one?
hahahahahahah ::)
these idiots will come up with any excuse.
did his torn biceps regrow? LOL
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I believe this pic is from the 96 German GP ;)
you recall this pic don't you? you melted down when you seen it ;D
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1996 was not a good year for Mr. Yates.
its surprising you idiots are putting it out there.
but then again, given the level of stupidity, maybe its not so surprising at all.. :-\
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1996 was not a good year for Mr. Yates.
its surprising you idiots are putting it out there.
but then again, given the level of stupidity, maybe its not so surprising at all.. :-\
See above ;D
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I believe this pic is from the 96 German GP ;)
you recall this pic don't you? you melted down when you seen it ;D
A clip from the 96 German GP is included on the Blood & Guts Deluxe DVD and I can honestly say that it beats anything Coleman ever displayed in a competition.
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Dorian looks like a fucking ROCK here....this shot simply blows me away. Coleman never came close to this.
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=313977.0;attach=355065;image
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more thickness. better taper. two great arms. fantastic detail.
better back than yates. end of story. :P
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ronnie has more back muscle and more back detail
his back is better conditioned and has less fat on it than dorain
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Yates pwning Coleman at the 96 German Grand Prix:
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Yates pwning Coleman at the 96 German Grand Prix:
FANTASTIC shot ! Dorian crushing Ronnie and he's not even at his best !! post more if you have them
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FANTASTIC shot ! Dorian crushing Ronnie and he's not even at his best !! post more if you have them
The video is unreal. I just watched it again for the first time in over a year and I'm really starting to think that 96 was an even better year than 95 in terms of conditioning. Yates said himself during his seminar at the 96 English Grand Prix that he felt he was in the best condition he had ever been in. He was actually around 5lbs heavier at the German Grand Prix than he was at both the Olympia and English Grand Prix. He said he'd shed a few lbs due to the stress of travelling.
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Dorian Yates front double biceps shot taken from the 1994 German Grand Prix DVD:
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The video is unreal. I just watched it again for the first time in over a year and I'm really starting to think that 96 was an even better year than 95 in terms of conditioning. Yates said himself during his seminar at the 96 English Grand Prix that he felt he was in the best condition he had ever been in. He was actually around 5lbs heavier at the German Grand Prix than he was at both the Olympia and English Grand Prix. He said he'd shed a few lbs due to the stress of travelling.
Man Hulkster said something about 96 being a good year for him LMMFAO
How these guys can argue Ronnie's conditioning is better is beyond rational thought
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The video is unreal. I just watched it again for the first time in over a year and I'm really starting to think that 96 was an even better year than 95 in terms of conditioning. Yates said himself during his seminar at the 96 English Grand Prix that he felt he was in the best condition he had ever been in. He was actually around 5lbs heavier at the German Grand Prix than he was at both the Olympia and English Grand Prix. He said he'd shed a few lbs due to the stress of travelling.
holy F*CK!
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Dorian Yates front double biceps shot taken from the 1994 German Grand Prix DVD:
I think his conditioning 1995 is just as good if not better but it's the quality of the pics and video that suck
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More from 94:
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thanks for posting all that shit.
it shows exactly what I said, that dorian was not that great in 96 and ronnie at his best would crush him.
thanks.
please post more so we can show how much better ronnie post Mr. O win was.
please keep posting~!
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this is just hilarious!
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LOL
you guys are so stupid. why the fuck are you even trying to compare a post tear shitty dorian to ronnie ??? ::)
pretear maybe.
but post tear its destruction:
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thanks for posting all that shit.
it shows exactly what I said, that dorian was not that great in 96 and ronnie at his best would crush him.
thanks.
please post more so we can show how much better ronnie post Mr. O win was.
please keep posting~!
Where's Ronnie at his best? ???
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LOL dorian's signature shot gets destroyed:
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nuthuggers please post more of your post tear in bad shape hero and try and pass it off as being better than ronnie.
please. LMAO
just when you think the nuthuggers could not possibly be any more stupid, they go out and top even themselves!
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More from 94:
Amazing shots
his lat spreads are unmatched
Flex Magazine June 2002
The lat spread that stunned and revolutionized the bodybuilding world. It is jumbo-jet wide with giant slabs of rock-hard muscle knitted together with gnarly detail. Even in this front shot, you can see the immensity of the billowing lats -- particularly the one on the right, which, amazingly, casts a terrifying shadow.
This rings very true
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How these guys can argue Ronnie's conditioning is better is beyond rational thought
oh, the irony:
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LOL dorian's signature shot gets destroyed:
Not even close ;) and this isn't even him at his best
Flex Magazine June 2002
The lat spread that stunned and revolutionized the bodybuilding world. It is jumbo-jet wide with giant slabs of rock-hard muscle knitted together with gnarly detail. Even in this front shot, you can see the immensity of the billowing lats -- particularly the one on the right, which, amazingly, casts a terrifying shadow.
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I love how ND immediately goes to quotes when I post ronnie shots that absolutely destroy what they were orgasming about for the last several posts LOL
hey ND, your quotes don't match up to the shots you guys just posted.
thats for damn sure.
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I love how ND immediately goes to quotes when I post ronnie shots that absolutely destroy what they were orgasming about for the last several posts LOL
hey ND, your quotes don't match up to the shots you guys just posted.
thats for damn sure.
Sure they don't which is why you're melting down left & right
it happens whenever new Yates pics come up , you get pissed off because they crush your hero and go on the offensive posting pics to try and minimize the damage , nothing new with you ;)
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Sure they don't which is why you're melting down left & right
it happens whenever new Yates pics come up , you get pissed off because they crush your hero and go on the offensive posting pics to try and minimize the damage , nothing new with you ;)
LOL WTF?
I am amazed at how bad they are compared to an in shape Ronnie.
I encourge you all to post more please.
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LOL WTF?
I am amazed at how bad they are compared to an in shape Ronnie.
I encourge you all to post more please.
wow real subtle attempt at reverse psychology ::)
you're getting so angry you're missing spelling your words lol continue your meltdown because new Yates pics are being posted as usual it's what we all knew would happen ;)
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yes, its true I am amazed at the new yates pics.
why? because you guys have been praising his 94/96 GP presentations, and then you post this crap and act like its good? ::)
this is horrible: no detail, no shape, just awful:
you hype him up to be good those years and then show pics that show how bad he was.
what the fuck are you idiots doing? ::)
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94 victory:
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yes, its true I am amazed at the new yates pics.
why? because you guys have been praising his 94/96 GP presentations, and then you post this crap and act like its good? ::)
this is horrible: no detail, no shape, just awful:
you hype him up to be good those years and then show pics that show how bad he was.
what the fuck are you idiots doing? ::)
He was so bad yet Ronnie couldn't even come close huh? ;D
he looks fantastic you obviously don't think so because you're biased and you can't be objective , even Levrone remarked at how much better he at the 94 GP
96 GP he's lighter but in remarkable condition
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LMAO. I love how the Dorian nuthuggers b*tch and moan the 99 Ronnie screencaps have been photoshopped and then post this garbage. ;D
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=313977.0;attach=355116;image)
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even Levrone remarked at how much better he at the 94 GP
true, he was better than the 94 O, but that isn't saying much.
the 94 GP is interesting because Kevin was leading dorian going into the nightshow.
flex made a big deal out of that fact in their contest review.
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true, he was better than the 94 O, but that isn't saying much.
the 94 GP is interesting because Kevin was leading dorian going into the nightshow.
flex made a big deal out of that fact in their contest review.
This is the first time EVER I heard this I'll take what you say with a grain of salt because you've been know to lie
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what was that Flex magazine? Ronnie has the best back ever, you say? Poor Dorian nuthuggers keep losing whenever they try to play the quote game. ;D
The 20 best backs of all time - Flex, March 2008
20. albert beckles
19. melvin anthony
18. thierry pastel
17. tony pearson
16. sergio oliva
15. orville burke
14. art atwood
13. flex wheeler
12. robby robinson
11. mohamed benaziza
10. victor martinez
9. michael francois
8. samir bannout
7. jean-pierre fux
6. jay cutler
5. franco columbu
4. lee haney
3. joel stubbs
2. dorian yates
1. ronnie coleman
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0KFY/is_1_26/ai_n24356572/pg_1?tag=artBody;col1
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what was that Flex magazine? Ronnie has the best back ever, you say? Poor Dorian nuthuggers keep losing whenever they try to play the quote game. ;D
The 20 best backs of all time - Flex, March 2008
20. albert beckles
19. melvin anthony
18. thierry pastel
17. tony pearson
16. sergio oliva
15. orville burke
14. art atwood
13. flex wheeler
12. robby robinson
11. mohamed benaziza
10. victor martinez
9. michael francois
8. samir bannout
7. jean-pierre fux
6. jay cutler
5. franco columbu
4. lee haney
3. joel stubbs
2. dorian yates
1. ronnie coleman
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0KFY/is_1_26/ai_n24356572/pg_1?tag=artBody;col1
You think that's the only poll? ;)
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/pro-bodybuilders-pictures/best-back-all-time-you-decide-39990-9.html
now what makes the Flex poll better than this one? ;)
What does Ronnie Coleman have to say on the subject? does Flex trump him as well?
go back to the drawing board kid
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Sorry Neo thanks for playing
Flex magazine December 2005
"Best Back Ever? You'll Never Guess Who; It's Not Ronnie's!"
I'm sure you agree with Flex on that
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This is the first time EVER I heard this I'll take what you say with a grain of salt because you've been know to lie
I never lied. you were wrong and you therefore thought I lied.
not the same thing.
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FROM MARKUS RUHL
October 2000, FLEX page 166
"DORIAN YATES HAD THE BEST BACK IN THE HISTORY OF BODYBUILDING. HIS LAT SPREAD WAS UNBELIEVABLE. HIS SIZE, MASS, AND CONDITIONING WERE PERFECT,"
sorry Ronnie
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I never lied. you were wrong and you therefore thought I lied.
not the same thing.
You're a proven liar you made up several quotes I exposed you
Shawn Ray quote ring a bell stupid?
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As usual Ronnie trumps all of his nutt-hugging fans
DESCRIBE DORIAN YATES: A close friend. Dorian is very intelligent, a great Mr. Olympia. He had the best side-chest pose and the thickest freakiest back I have ever seen.
the thickest & freakiest back ever huh? FYI this quote is from 2003 ;D
thanks for playing.
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-You think that's the only poll?
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/pro-bodybuilders-pictures/best-back-all-time-you-decide-39990-9.html
now what makes the Flex poll better than this one?
did you really just try to compare an anonymous poll of bodybuilding fans to a ranking by the experts at Flex magazine who have seen both in person?
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did you really just try to compare an anonymous poll of bodybuilding fans to a ranking by the experts at Flex magazine who have seen both in person?
I also compared the Greatest Bodybuilder of all time as well as well as Rhul as well as this one shall I continue? you have NOTHING as usual except an opinion that is neither right or wrong on a very subjective topic ;)
Samir Bannout who had one of the best backs mind you on Cutler 2001
Jay Cutler blows the other bodybuilders away with the crisp detail of his muscularity from top to bottom. He has superior calves, hamstrings and glutes. His back is detailed and big, but it does not match up well against Ronnie, who has the second-best back in the history of bodybuilding behind the great Dorian Yates
Ronnie has the second best back behind the great Dorian Yates
Experts? how about two Mr Olympias? ;) that trumps you magazine writers who someone once said what's his degree in? journalism ? ;)
And guess whose seen them live and in person? ;)
you can't play my game kid
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Flex magazine December 2005
"Best Back Ever? You'll Never Guess Who; It's Not Ronnie's!"
experts from Flex magazine whose seen them both in person and I'll sure you like them now huh hypocrite? I'm sure you agree ;)
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You're a proven liar you made up several quotes I exposed you
Shawn Ray quote ring a bell stupid?
no, shawn was referring to dorian's bigger but not as detailed condition in 93 as compared to the year before.
just because you lack the understanding to interperate and understand the meaning of what people say does not mean they did not say it.
it just means you are not smart enough to understand.
period.
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I also compared the Greatest Bodybuilder of all time as well as well as Rhul
ND finally admits the truth about Ronnie being the greatest bodybuilder ever!!! I'm making a screen cap of that one too! ;D
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Flex magazine December 2005
"Best Back Ever? You'll Never Guess Who; It's Not Ronnie's!"
idiot!!! All that means is Ronnie gets pushed back to #2 while Dorian becomes #3. You are so dumb. lol
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seriously, you guys should just delete all these new pics and pretend they never existed..
it would save you so much embarassment in the future: :'(
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Flex magazine December 2005
"Best Back Ever? You'll Never Guess Who; It's Not Ronnie's!"
experts from Flex magazine whose seen them both in person and I'll sure you like them now huh hypocrite? I'm sure you agree ;)
Interesting ND how a topic on a Dorian Video can cause all sorts of negative comments, not sure if some people were refused a autograph @ a Dorian guest appearance or BB Show back in the day, some of the reply's come across as blatant attacks and appear to be quiet personal, id think a debate on Dorains perseverance against the odds (bicep,triceps,quad,shoulder) tears though the years and STILL coming out on top as a Champion would be a far more interesting thread than who has a "better back" out of Ronnie and Yates, BTW has there EVER been a reining MR OLYMPIA CHAMPION who has consistently over come the odds year after year and found a way to still be the best?... oh hang on....wait for it... it was politics yip that would make sense...a English bb on American (for the most part) soil winning year after year...yip makes good sense by way of mostly Huge American Company's in Promotion,sponsorships,mainstreaming, mag sales,etc etc, .....as for the best back id put up this Shot of Dorian's back @ his Worst in 1997 as perhaps the best of all time.
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I would love to know how simplying telling the truth about the quality of some of these shots (ie detailess, poor shape, torn arm etc) is a 'personal attack' on dorian? ::)
totally ridiculous..
you totally do not understand bodybuilding if you think speaking the truth about physical attributes relative to another (ie as compared to ronnie) is a personal attack..
if you think that is a personal attack, well I have news for you:
the IFBB judges have been attacking everyone since the beginning of this sport.. ::)
because comparing the physical attributes of one to another is how this sport works.
don't like it? take up knitting.
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LOL
you guys are so stupid. why the fuck are you even trying to compare a post tear shitty dorian to ronnie ??? ::)
pretear maybe.
but post tear its destruction:
I glimpse of humility. Bravo Hulkster.
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ronnie at his best would easily handle pretear dorian.
but would crush post tear dorian even more.
all I am saying is that dorian stands no chance against someone as good as ronnie with an arm like this: its down right terrible: actually, he was so bad in 96, both his arms look down right awful.
and these morons are saying 96 is a good year for dorian LOL
they are so stupid they don't even know what years their hero looked good! ::)
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I would love to know how simplying telling the truth about the quality of some of these shots (ie detailess, poor shape, torn arm etc) is a 'personal attack' on dorian? ::)
totally ridiculous..
you totally do not understand bodybuilding if you think speaking the truth about physical attributes relative to another (ie as compared to ronnie) is a personal attack..
if you think that is a personal attack, well I have news for you:
the IFBB judges have been attacking everyone since the beginning of this sport.. ::)
because comparing the physical attributes of one to another is how this sport works.
don't like it? take up knitting.
Thanks for proving my point Hulkster :) :) :) wow im really getting a Education from a smart bloke such as yourself :) :) :) especially when you blatantly put up year after year all Ronnies best shots against Yates worst pics and tell us all here..."see Ronnie would crush Dorian" >:( >:( >:(...yip bud im with ya on that one wow great work 1 up on the Hulkster...the only part in your rebuttal that actually did make sense was this part... "comparing physical attributes of one to another is how this sport works"....yip got me again bud i totally forgot all the times Mr Yates and Big Ron meet and compared in the "physical" sense that Ronnie sure showed Yates and thing or too...oh no...hang on thats right Yates and Coleman didnt meet when Ron was @ his best...but ill tell you and every other person @ Getbig ill put up all my SCREEN CAP'S and countless SHARPEN PICS and VIDEO LINKS ....see RONNIE IS KING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!....and if ya all don't like it ...take up knitting because the Hulkster says so!! >:( >:( >:(
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ND finally admits the truth about Ronnie being the greatest bodybuilder ever!!! I'm making a screen cap of that one too! ;D
Wrong as usual I've said many times statistically he is , he tied Haney for most Olympias and he's the won the most pro shows , this is something I've said many times and I also said it has absolutely nothing to do with Dorian because he never faced Yates for any of his wins , in fact Dorian himself said Ronnie may be the greatest Mr Olympia ever it's old news
But you know this but are getting frustrated and acting this is some great revelation and it's not while you're at make a screencap of Ronnie admitted on multiple occasions he couldn't beat Dorian even after he became Mr Olympia ;)
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idiot!!! All that means is Ronnie gets pushed back to #2 while Dorian becomes #3. You are so dumb. lol
Like I didn't know you were going to claim that ::) you're very predictable but I'm sure you agree with Flex on that as well ;)
Now you don't like Flex magazine quotes anymore , now they're not right even in the top twenty backs article they specifically state many feel Dorian still has the best back to this day! I don't lose any sleep over opinions on a very subjective topic
But Ronnie says Dorian has the freakiest back he's ever seen in 2003 mind you , I'm sure you agree with that , Samir who knows a thing or two about great backs admits Dorian's is best , when you type the Flex poll and claim some victory it shows your desperation especially when you like to pick & choose what Flex quotes you agree with and dismiss those who don't
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no, shawn was referring to dorian's bigger but not as detailed condition in 93 as compared to the year before.
just because you lack the understanding to interperate and understand the meaning of what people say does not mean they did not say it.
it just means you are not smart enough to understand.
period.
No moron Shawn was referring to Dorian being bigger but not better than him , and you said specifically Shawn mentions Dorian's loss of hardness from 1992 to 1993 you're a liar plain and simple
And you're the fucking moron who has a problem trying to interpret you can't even fucking spell the word idiot.
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especially when you blatantly put up year after year all Ronnies best shots against Yates worst pics and tell us all here
LOL~! so now 96 is his worst year?
HELLO! ::)
you idiots just got through hyping up how good he was at the 96 GP a few pages ago!!!!
this is what I mean - the right hand doesn't know what the left hand is doing!
this is how stupid you guys are! make up your fucking mind! ::)
you can't have it both ways retards.
you hype up 96, post the shots, they are shit, I compare them to ronniie, and then you say how bad he was!
no shit! thats what I said from the beginning, but no, you all hype up how good he was at the 96 GP!
::)
holy fuck man. :-\
this is an excercise in pure stupidity.
and you got caught in it badly.
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I feel sorry for Hulkster. It's not that he's wicked or naturally bad, it's knowing he's losing that makes him so MAD. LOL
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Hulkster is nothing more than a new version of Pavlov's dog.
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I feel sorry for Hulkster. It's not that he's wicked or naturally bad, it's knowing he's losing that makes him so MAD. LOL
Yes, you have to feel sorry for someone like Hulkster.
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i love this Yates vs ronnie shit but mods please merge this with the previous many thousands of pages.
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LOL~! so now 96 is his worst year?
HELLO! ::)
you idiots just got through hyping up how good he was at the 96 GP a few pages ago!!!!
this is what I mean - the right hand doesn't know what the left hand is doing!
this is how stupid you guys are! make up your fucking mind! ::)
you can't have it both ways retards.
you hype up 96, post the shots, they are shit, I compare them to ronniie, and then you say how bad he was!
no shit! thats what I said from the beginning, but no, you all hype up how good he was at the 96 GP!
::)
holy fuck man. :-\
this is an excercise in pure stupidity.
and you got caught in it badly.
In case you didnt notice.. one persons opinion on what Yates best year is, does not speak for everyone else.
The majority will say 93 is his best, followed by 95. You know this, your just trying to be a fucking asshole.
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In case you didnt notice.. one persons opinion on what Yates best year is, does not speak for everyone else.
The majority will say 93 is his best, followed by 95. You know this, your just trying to be a fucking asshole.
Hulkster always goes full retard every time Dorian's name comes up. He just can't help it - making the same old, retarded arguments over and over even though no one asked for it in the first place. Look at his first post in this thread.
Cool pics by the way, RocketSwitch625. Thanks. Any chance you can upload the video to YouTube or any other file hosting site?
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In case you didnt notice.. one persons opinion on what Yates best year is, does not speak for everyone else.
The majority will say 93 is his best, followed by 95. You know this, your just trying to be a fucking asshole.
no it just shows how as a group you morons have no clue what you are doing. ::)
this is something that the rest of us have known for a long time now..
dorian guy = clueless
it gets proven time and again. this was a great example.
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one persons opinion on what Yates best year is, does not speak for everyone else
oh really? you should tell that to Mr. Peter McGough Quote ND.. ::)
::)
LOL
you guys make me laugh. you are so dumb that you contradict each other all the time, while trying to argue for a common cause LMAO!
how stupid can you get? LOL
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no it just shows how as a group you morons have no clue what you are doing. ::)
this is something that the rest of us have known for a long time now..
dorian guy = clueless
it gets proven time and again. this was a great example.
You should try to post without having Ronnie's dick moving your insides simultaneously. Seems to impair your eyesight.
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oh really? you should tell that to Mr. Peter McGough Quote ND.. ::)
::)
LOL
you guys make me laugh. you are so dumb that you contradict each other all the time, while trying to argue for a common cause LMAO!
how stupid can you get? LOL
So now your relegating his argument to one quote?
Seems to me he consistently posts mutiple quotes and cites references where you simply make up what you want a quote to say and try and pass it off as fact.
Retard.
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96 german gran prix. the legs have the same sweep as the (claimed) shopped 95 pic Kev Horton posted months back.
this is an unbeatable Yates. live with it dickhead(hulkster).
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and the ownage continues.
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and it continues.....
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lets here the excuses now... :P
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96 german gran prix. the legs have the same sweep as the (claimed) shopped 95 pic Kev Horton posted months back.
this is an unbeatable Yates. live with it dickhead(hulkster).
Nice screencaps, delta.
Post some comparison pics too if you can. What was the order of the top 6?
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there was wiggs and his topic about Yates legs never looked good on stage. well.........
looking as big and way more conditioned as 97, but at a lighter weight. damn.
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Nice screencaps, delta.
Post some comparison pics too if you can. What was the order of the top 6?
when i get back to the office ill post up more. hulkster on suicide watch now. when i said german gp i meant german and hulkster goes and posts pics form the english gp.
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Nice screencaps, delta.
Post some comparison pics too if you can. What was the order of the top 6?
Better yet...post the vid, so we can see how worked up these pics are.
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i knew a hater would come in and accuse of working the pics. i cant post the vid, its 700 megs. i converted dvd to avi.
this is part 2 of the Yates blood and guts. live with it.
240- you are the resident geek, tell groink the pics are not worked.
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Better yet...post the vid, so we can see how worked up these pics are.
Groink, I really like a lot of the stuff you post, but I disagree here.
It's not just Dorian - when screencaps are posted of others, Ronnie and Ruhl, come to mind, for some reason they ALL seem to look much better than in pics. Almost cartoon like. I'm sure they are graphics people who are experts in this who could explain why, but I don't know any.
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straight up, i do not play/ alter/ shopp/ work the pics in any way. i screen cap, then crop and convert to jpg. no stretch, compress, nothing. hi hulkster
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Groink, I really like a lot of the stuff you post, but I disagree here.
It's not just Dorian - when screencaps are posted of others, Ronnie and Ruhl, come to mind, for some reason they ALL seem to look much better than in pics. Almost cartoon like. I'm sure they are graphics people who are experts in this who could explain why, but I don't know any.
that's kind of what i'm saying ape.....these screen caps always look inhuman, then you see the vid and reality sets in
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i knew a hater would come in and accuse of working the pics. i cant post the vid, its 700 megs. i converted dvd to avi.
this is part 2 of the Yates blood and guts. live with it.
240- you are the resident geek, tell groink the pics are not worked.
Just post a little bit of it, All bullshit aside, i'm curious to see it
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It looks like the new caps were taken from the DVD set to the 16:9 aspect ratio. The DVD should be watched in 4:3. I'm sorry to say that delta's new screen caps have been stretched but he was probably unaware of it.
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It looks like the new caps were taken from the DVD set to the 16:9 aspect ratio. The DVD should be watched in 4:3. I'm sorry to say that delta's new screen caps have been stretched but he was probably unaware of it.
Do you remember who was in the top 6 and in what order? Did Kevin beat Nasser or was it vice versa?
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Do you remember who was in the top 6 and in what order? Did Kevin beat Nasser or was it vice versa?
Unfortunately it only shows the posing routine and him being awarded the trophy. I will search for the results online and let you know.
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It looks like the new caps were taken from the DVD set to the 16:9 aspect ratio. The DVD should be watched in 4:3. I'm sorry to say that delta's new screen caps have been stretched but he was probably unaware of it.
That's an interesting point. I wonder if that's the case with Ruhl's NOC caps.
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Unfortunately it only shows the posing routine and him being awarded his trophy. I will search for the results online and let you know.
Haha thanks, but don't bother. I thought you had the whole contest, which is why I asked. Delta will post it up shortly.
Cheers.
This is the only clip in YouTube from that contest
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The difference:
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Unfortunately it only shows the posing routine and him being awarded the trophy. I will search for the results online and let you know.
1996 Grand Prix Germany - IFBB
1 Dorian Yates
2 Nasser El Sonbaty
3 Kevin Levrone
4 Paul Dillett
5 Ronnie Coleman
6 Vince Taylor
7 Chris Cormier
8 Jean Pierre Fux
9 Roland Cziurlock
10 Aaron Baker
11 Charles Clairmonte
12 Lutz Wilke
13 Eusebio Serrano
14 Diego Martinez
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I think Isreal has a better chance of making a lasting friendship with Iran, then the two of you ever stopping your bickering...lol.
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God...Ronnie could NEVER compare to this! NO ONE could!
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=313977.0;attach=355210;image)
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that's kind of what i'm saying ape.....these screen caps always look inhuman, then you see the vid and reality sets in
this vid is reality, something the idiot nuthuggers have been trying to disprove since its inception:
http://www.truveo.com/Ronnie-Coleman-1999-Mr-Olympia-Part-Two/id/1160132027
this kills dorian, especially this 1996 version with the horrid quads and arms.
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God...Ronnie could NEVER compare to this! NO ONE could!
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=313977.0;attach=355210;image)
poor dorian. its the same old story, he only wins from the knees on down:
his upper/middle back is very detailed, but his arms are shit, and his back is paper thin and lacks thickness compared to Ronnie, who's back has it ALL:
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Dorian's arms aren't just bad, they are flat out pitiful, especially in the rear double bi shot. They just completely disappear.
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Dorian's arms aren't just bad, they are flat out pitiful, especially in the rear double bi shot. They just completely disappear.
very true. especially in 1996, the year these morons have been hyping up so much LOL ::)
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poor dorian. its the same old story, he only wins from the knees on down:
his upper/middle back is very detailed, but his arms are shit, and his back is paper thin and lacks thickness compared to Ronnie, who's back has it ALL:
Your delustional. Dorian's back is rediculously thick all over.
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Your delustional. Dorian's back is rediculously thick all over.
compared to most bodybuilders? yes.
compared to Ronnie Coleman at peak? no.
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compared to most bodybuilders? yes.
compared to Ronnie Coleman at peak? no.
Yes - even compared to Ronnie at his peak. You are delusional. Not only that but his back gets bone dry, unlike Ronnie who retains a little water in his back.
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Holyshit @ those '96 Dorian pics!!!
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Hulkster, I'm new here and everything, but I've been doing a bit of reading here the past few weeks. Question for you. Have you seen Dorian and Ronnie live with your own two eyes? If so, perhaps you would look at this differently. Hand on heart, Dorian looks NOTHING in real life like the pictures you're throwing about. The pics can't even compare. I've met and spoke to every single top body builder from the 90's. I've been to 5 Olympia's and saw Dorian win in 94, 95, 96, 97 (sadly didn't see the '93 version) and saw Ronnie take it in '99. Further more, I've been to most European Grand Prix's and every single English Grand Prix since the early 90's. I've seen ALL the body builders compete you've only seen in Flex or MuscleMag. In short, I know something or two about how contests are judged. Do you know the parameters and factors that's included in judging? Do you know how it works?
As for Dorian v Ronnie. I give Ronnie FDB, MM (50/50) and perhaps ab thigh at a stretch. The rest of the poses Dorian wins. It may not look like it to you on a Flex pic that captures a single moment in time, or a video which doesn't really translate his physique well. Dorian was a freak to all who seen him live. You haven't seen him in that capacity (which is THE most important), yet I cannot understand why you claim to speak with authority in this subject you're missing the most important chapter from.
PS, I'm an Aaron Baker fan, huge fan (no homo) and yet it didn't make me blind to his shortcomings.
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Hulkster, I'm new here and everything, but I've been doing a bit of reading here the past few weeks. Question for you. Have you seen Dorian and Ronnie live with your own two eyes? If so, perhaps you would look at this differently. Hand on heart, Dorian looks NOTHING in real life like the pictures you're throwing about. The pics can't even compare. I've met and spoke to every single top body builder from the 90's. I've been to 5 Olympia's and saw Dorian win in 94, 95, 96, 97 (sadly didn't see the '93 version) and saw Ronnie take it in '99. Further more, I've been to most European Grand Prix's and every single English Grand Prix since the early 90's. I've seen ALL the body builders compete you've only seen in Flex or MuscleMag. In short, I know something or two about how contests are judged. Do you know the parameters and factors that's included in judging? Do you know how it works?
As for Dorian v Ronnie. I give Ronnie FDB, MM (50/50) and perhaps ab thigh at a stretch. The rest of the poses Dorian wins. It may not look like it to you on a Flex pic that captures a single moment in time, or a video which doesn't really translate his physique well. Dorian was a freak to all who seen him live. You haven't seen him in that capacity (which is THE most important), yet I cannot understand why you claim to speak with authority in this subject you're missing the most important chapter from.
PS, I'm an Aaron Baker fan, huge fan (no homo) and yet it didn't make me blind to his shortcomings.
James on what Criteria are you judging that perhaps Ron gets the Ab/Thigh?... :o... i would also say its clear Ron @ his best would take the MM (ether version) and the Ab/thigh would be a no brainier for Yates in any year
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Tbh, I actually agree with you, but I was trying to be objective seeing that I can't make my mind up on that one pose, hence the words 'at a stretch'. Should have been 'at a real stretch'. With Dorian's gut in'97 I would say that Ronnie 'may' have had a chance to win that particular pose. Just a chance, by no means a certainty.
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1997 may have been his worst especially in the arm department and when RELAXED his gut did appear in certain shots to not look good @ all, however when he did ACTUALLY FLEX....his ab shots were good and the below shots @ 270lbs, show Yates looking ridiculously massive and dense as hell.
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compared to most bodybuilders? yes.
compared to Ronnie Coleman at peak? no.
DESCRIBE DORIAN YATES: A close friend. Dorian is very intelligent, a great Mr. Olympia. He had the best side-chest pose and the thickest freakiest back I have ever seen
Now mind you Ronnie said this quote in 2003 ;) how does it feel being crushed by your own hero once again? it's gotta hurt
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DESCRIBE DORIAN YATES: A close friend. Dorian is very intelligent, a great Mr. Olympia. He had the best side-chest pose and the thickest freakiest back I have ever seen
Now mind you Ronnie said this quote in 2003 ;) how does it feel being crushed by your own hero once again? it's gotta hurt
Great ND no one beats these relaxed poses.
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Have you seen Dorian and Ronnie live with your own two eyes?
no.
but other getbiggers have and they say ronnie crushes him:
here is a thread from someone who has seen them both live and in person for your research:
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=252142.0
enjoy
Of course directly.
And I have seen him competing directly 1994 and 1996.
And I say
Dorian is not in the league of Ronnie.
Best Ronnie was from the outer space.
No competition.
Now I want to be criticized about my opinion by the people who has seen Dorian competing directly ONLY.
Are there anyone else here?
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not surpisingly, seeing them both live and in person confirms exactly what the pics and videos show:
that Ronnie is way above.
the nuthuggers hate this, but thats life and they have to deal with it..
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As for Dorian v Ronnie. I give Ronnie FDB, MM (50/50) and perhaps ab thigh at a stretch. The rest of the poses Dorian wins. It may not look like it to you on a Flex pic that captures a single moment in time, or a video which doesn't really translate his physique well. Dorian was a freak to all who seen him live. You haven't seen him in that capacity (which is THE most important), yet I cannot understand why you claim to speak with authority in this subject you're missing the most important chapter from.
LOL here we go again. the nuthuggers have been throwing out the excuse that dorian look great in person but shitty in pics for years now. and its just as sad now as it was then. ::)
newsflash: EVERY pro including ronnie looks way better and bigger live and in person than in pics/videos.
I know, I have met a top 15 Mr. O. pro at a seminar before and as you know, pics/vids do not do them justice.
problem is, this sorry excuse by the dorian fans doesn't hold water.
why? because Ronine ALSO looks way better in person than in pics and videos, so its no use.
he looks better in vids/pics and he IS better in person up close. end of story.
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This is the freakiest back pic of all time
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=313977.0;attach=355377;image)
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no.
but other getbiggers have and they say ronnie crushes him:
here is a thread from someone who has seen them both live and in person for your research:
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=252142.0
enjoy
This negates what Ronnie says how? so you'll take what Getbiggers say as proof positive but when Ronnie says it he's paying lip-service Gotcha ;)
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LOL here we go again. the nuthuggers have been throwing out the excuse that dorian look great in person but shitty in pics for years now. and its just as sad now as it was then. ::)
newsflash: EVERY pro including ronnie looks way better and bigger live and in person than in pics/videos.
I know, I have met a top 15 Mr. O. pro at a seminar before and as you know, pics/vids do not do them justice.
problem is, this sorry excuse by the dorian fans doesn't hold water.
why? because Ronine ALSO looks way better in person than in pics and videos, so its no use.
he looks better in vids/pics and he IS better in person up close. end of story.
You truely are fucking desusional. Everyone who has seen Dorian says he has special special photos don't pick up.. NO ONE has said that about Ronnie... so now your trying to make things up. You are a fucking moron.
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LOL here we go again. the nuthuggers have been throwing out the excuse that dorian look great in person but shitty in pics for years now. and its just as sad now as it was then. ::)
newsflash: EVERY pro including ronnie looks way better and bigger live and in person than in pics/videos.
I know, I have met a top 15 Mr. O. pro at a seminar before and as you know, pics/vids do not do them justice.
problem is, this sorry excuse by the dorian fans doesn't hold water.
why? because Ronine ALSO looks way better in person than in pics and videos, so its no use.
he looks better in vids/pics and he IS better in person up close. end of story.
This is sad. You're resorting to second hand accounts to 'prove' your personal point. What if others say that Dorian was better? I suppose they would be idiots too for not dancing to your point of view kiddo. I saw Ronnie in '99 close up, I saw Dorian close up for years (with Ronnie fading in the background those years). The last time I saw Coleman was the 2004 English GP. Without even having to think about it once, the Yates of the 90's would've whacked him in '99 and '04. That's the years I saw Coleman, the Mr Olympia LIVE and could form my own opinions. Not pick and choose accounts to that satisfy your point of view.
If you want to talk about Yates getting gifts, an argument can be made for '97 (In the end he was still too strong for them) and no other year. That is what history says. Seven victories (iirc) over Coleman and still better than Coleman during Ronnie's Olympia reign.
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LOL here we go again. the nuthuggers have been throwing out the excuse that dorian look great in person but shitty in pics for years now. and its just as sad now as it was then. ::)
newsflash: EVERY pro including ronnie looks way better and bigger live and in person than in pics/videos.
I know, I have met a top 15 Mr. O. pro at a seminar before and as you know, pics/vids do not do them justice.
problem is, this sorry excuse by the dorian fans doesn't hold water.
why? because Ronine ALSO looks way better in person than in pics and videos, so its no use.
he looks better in vids/pics and he IS better in person up close. end of story.
Hahahahahaha " I met Nimrod King who placed dead last at an Olympia " so your affinity for ebony men pre-dates Ronnie
Was Nimrod your ' black love muffin ' as well :-X :-X :-X
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This is sad. You're resorting to second hand accounts to 'prove' your personal point. What if others say that Dorian was better? I suppose they would be idiots too for not dancing to your point of view kiddo. I saw Ronnie in '99 close up, I saw Dorian close up for years (with Ronnie fading in the background those years). The last time I saw Coleman was the 2004 English GP. Without even having to think about it once, the Yates of the 90's would've whacked him in '99 and '04. That's the years I saw Coleman, the Mr Olympia LIVE and could form my own opinions. Not pick and choose accounts to that satisfy your point of view.
If you want to talk about Yates getting gifts, an argument can be made for '97 (In the end he was still too strong for them) and no other year. That is what history says. Seven victories (iirc) over Coleman and still better than Coleman during Ronnie's Olympia reign.
Win.
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The thing is, anyone can pick quotes quotes from years ago they like and ignore the others that places them in a tight spot. It's up to those with experience of meeting these guys, dropping thousands flying around the world to watch them battle it out, meet them afterwards, check them out from closer (no homo) or watch them flex it out from 20 foot away (again, no homo). Ronnie appears fuller with rounded muscles from close up, Yates is a fucking piece of granite with layer of layer of muscle and wide as anything with this weird alien like wet tissue non existent skin. Just watching him sign autographs after a show seeing the tendons and muscles in his arms move in small ripple effects proves of dryness and shredded-ness no other body builder ever achieved. I used to go with guys from my gym to the Olympias but stopped going from '99 as standards across the boards was dropping (giving the back benchers from the 90's a chance to win something). The last of my pals stopped going in '07 as it was becoming too bad to watch, with the exception of Ronnie, Jay and perhaps Dexter. There was never any question amongst any of the guys that was there LIVE, Dorian wins hands down, ANY ERA.
Like I said before, I could not really care about either of them as Aaron Baker, Priest and Fux was always more approachable, willing to stop a few minutes for a chat and would ask about YOUR training, give tips and encouragement to any fans.
Either way Hulk, you don't know how wrong you are. But please, go ahead.
Edit.
Oh, Ronnie is your stud muffin? Show real objectivity. I guess you're fucked now. No fanboy can be objective.
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The thing is, anyone can pick quotes quotes from years ago they like and ignore the others that places them in a tight spot.
ND does this for a living on getbig..
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ND does this for a living on getbig..
And you do ... what? Live off second hand accounts and hand-me-down opinions from others with a few selective pics thrown in?
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ND does this for a living on getbig..
Ronnies quotes trump any you van come up with ;)
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I'm not really up to date with body building the last 5 years. Did any of them ever concede in who is most likely the best ever? Did Dorian ever admit or Ronnie ever admit?
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I'm not really up to date with body building the last 5 years. Did any of them ever concede in who is most likely the best ever? Did Dorian ever admit or Ronnie ever admit?
Hulkster doesn't like to talk about that....hurts to much ;D
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no.
but ronnie stated dorian would have won had he competed in 98 due to politics, as we know, dorian 97 was awful and ronnie 98 was fantastic. but the judges probably would have gone with the current Mr. O as they always did back then no matter what.
ronnie has also stated when asked who would win, that he would - quote is in the truce thread.
so ronnie has contradicted himself as far as this goes.
but ronnie also lies about being a cop, being injured etc. so you what he says means nothing.
as always, talk is cheap.
real life is the deciding factor, which is why the dorian fans have to come up with excuses as to why the pics and vids show him to be far below ronnie.
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And you do ... what? Live off second hand accounts and hand-me-down opinions from others?
At least he didn't post an ONLINE POLL as proof that Dorian had the best back of all time, as ND did ;)
they both do it, but IMO ND is by far the worst of the two. he posts quotes from any BBing rag he can find....if the person praises Dorian, it's the word of god.
He just posted a quote where Coleman supposedly called Yates a "true friend, a great competitor...and blah blah blah.."
Like Coleman really said that ::) ::) EVERYONE knows these rags are 99.9% ghost written......
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At least he didn't post an ONLINE POLL as proof that Dorian had the best back of all time, as ND did ;)
they both do it, but IMO ND is by far the worst of the two. he posts quotes from any BBing rag he can find....if the person praises Dorian, it's the word of god.
He just posted a quote where Coleman supposedly called Yates a "true friend, a great competitor...and blah blah blah.."
Like Coleman really said that ::) ::) EVERYONE knows these rags are 99.9% ghost written......
yup ND is about as biased and retarded as you can get. a true guy.
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but IMO ND is by far the worst of the two
yup. I happen to prefer ronnie's physique, and show why based on real evidence.
ND just pics some quotes and ignores all others, and thats it.
thats why he is the laughing stock of getbig.
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no.
but ronnie stated dorian would have won had he competed in 98 due to politics, as we know, dorian 97 was awful and ronnie 98 was fantastic. but the judges probably would have gone with the current Mr. O as they always did back then no matter what.
ronnie has also stated when asked who would win, that he would - quote is in the truce thread.
so ronnie has contradicted himself as far as this goes.
but ronnie also lies about being a cop, being injured etc. so you what he says means nothing.
as always, talk is cheap.
real life is the deciding factor, which is why the dorian fans have to come up with excuses as to why the pics and vids show him to be far below ronnie.
Why would judges always go for the current Mr O? Didn't Ronnie lose a show to Gunter in the middle of his reign? The last few Olympias has all been about Cutler, Dex and Ron and it sure has been a back and forth between those three. The best package on the day is judged. If you don't bring it on the day, don't go complaining if you take a beating for it. The 'politics and bias' is strangely always raised by the losers of the day. The fans that attend the show aren't stupid (ok, granted, some of them are), the only time I ever heard a few jeers being flung about was with Dorian's '97 showing which as I mentioned before, could be argued.
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no.
but ronnie stated dorian would have won had he competed in 98 due to politics, as we know, dorian 97 was awful and ronnie 98 was fantastic.
ronnie has also stated when asked who would win, that he would.
so ronnie has contradicted himself as far as this goes.
but ronnie also lies about being a cop, being injured etc. so you what he says means nothing.
as always, talk is cheap.
real life is the deciding factor, which is why the dorian fans have to come up with excuses as to why the pics and vids show him to be far below ronnie.
no.
but ronnie stated dorian would have won had he competed in 98 due to politics, as we know, dorian 97 was awful and ronnie 98 was fantastic.
Uh oh someone's not being honest ;D Hulkster you know Ronnie never said he would win due to politics that's you trying to speak for him since you didn't like the fact he admitted Dorian would beat him.
See you can't be taken seriously when you're reduced to lying ;) here is Ronnie's quote in it's entirety and I don't see one single mention of politics
Special Ed : Ronnie of Dorian competed in 1998 would you have smoked him?
Ronnie Coleman : NO I think he would have kept on winning as long as he competed I don't think he would have lost.
It's pretty clear cut and dry what he said.
ronnie has also stated when asked who would win, that he would.
so ronnie has contradicted himself as far as this goes.
He actually didn't Hulkster I see a trend of you not being honest why gives? ??? When posed with the question who would beat whom in a contest of Arnold , Yates , Haney and himself Ronnie's quote was " come one this is Ronnie's time " and he said " I couldn't beat them in their day "
He never says he would beat them and in fact admits he couldn't beat them in their day , dude when you're reduced to lying you look foolish ;)
Ronnie has never contradicted himself on this topic in fact he's remained pretty consistent , here's another quote
aken out of FLEX nov 1999, page 90. interview by jim schmaltz with ronnie before the 99 Olympia.
Jim: What would have happened last year if Dorian Yates (recently retired winner of 6 straight Mr. Olympias) had competed?
Ronnie: Dorian would have won again.
Jim: You think so?
Ronnie: I know so. Dorian has a big physique - hard- and he's been the man to beat, and its hard to knock the champion off the block. He's a big guy and has a lot going for him. He overcame so many adversities, like his torn biceps, I couldnt see too much else stopping him.
I believe there is one other time he said Dorian would beat him and you're constantly changing what he says in order to do damage control , now it's because he lies about being a cop and injuries before it was because of politics lol I know it kills you Ronnie feels Dorian is better but you look foolish trying to speak for him and outright lying
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Why would judges always go for the current Mr O? Didn't Ronnie lose a show to Gunter in the middle of his reign? The last few Olympias has all been about Cutler, Dex and Ron and it sure has been a back and forth between those three. The best package on the day is judged. If you don't bring it on the day, don't go complaining if you take a beating for it. The 'politics and bias' is strangely always raised by the losers of the day. The fans that attend the show aren't stupid (ok, granted, some of them are), the only time I ever heard a few jeers being flung about was with Dorian's '97 showing which as I mentioned before, could be argued.
"could be argued" LOL....the guy was onstage literally with one arm hanging by a thread. And was awarded the title of "world's best built, most muscular man" and he was afraid to flex his left arm because the thought he was going to completely rip his tri off the bone.
Dorians era was the biggest bullshit era in BBIng...
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quote - Ronnie feels Dorian is better but you look foolish trying to speak for him and outright lying -
Even Ronnie says Dorrian is better than him - oh brother
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Uh oh someone's not being honest ;D Hulkster you know Ronnie never said he would win due to politics that's you trying to speak for him since you didn't like the fact he admitted Dorian would beat him.
See you can't be taken seriously when you're reduced to lying ;) here is Ronnie's quote in it's entirety and I don't see one single mention of politics
Special Ed : Ronnie of Dorian competed in 1998 would you have smoked him?
Ronnie Coleman : NO I think he would have kept on winning as long as he competed I don't think he would have lost.
It's pretty clear cut and dry what he said.
He actually didn't Hulkster I see a trend of you not being honest why gives? ??? When posed with the question who would beat whom in a contest of Arnold , Yates , Haney and himself Ronnie's quote was " come one this is Ronnie's time " and he said " I couldn't beat them in their day "
He never says he would beat them and in fact admits he couldn't beat them in their day , dude when you're reduced to lying you look foolish ;)
Ronnie has never contradicted himself on this topic in fact he's remained pretty consistent , here's another quote
aken out of FLEX nov 1999, page 90. interview by jim schmaltz with ronnie before the 99 Olympia.
Jim: What would have happened last year if Dorian Yates (recently retired winner of 6 straight Mr. Olympias) had competed?
Ronnie: Dorian would have won again.
Jim: You think so?
Ronnie: I know so. Dorian has a big physique - hard- and he's been the man to beat, and its hard to knock the champion off the block. He's a big guy and has a lot going for him. He overcame so many adversities, like his torn biceps, I couldnt see too much else stopping him.
I believe there is one other time he said Dorian would beat him and you're constantly changing what he says in order to do damage control , now it's because he lies about being a cop and injuries before it was because of politics lol I know it kills you Ronnie feels Dorian is better but you look foolish trying to speak for him and outright lying
The WHOLE FUCKING ANSWER was politics
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quote - Ronnie feels Dorian is better but you look foolish trying to speak for him and outright lying -
Even Ronnie says Dorrian is better than him - oh brother
he never said he was "better" he said he would have won, because he has "a lot going for him" and "it's hard to knock off the champ"
NOT ONCE does he say..."Dorian has a better build than me"...and that's no accident
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"could be argued" LOL....the guy was onstage literally with one arm hanging by a thread. And was awarded the title of "world's best built, most muscular man" and he was afraid to flex his left arm because the thought he was going to completely rip his tri off the bone.
Dorians era was the biggest bullshit era in BBIng...
But a guy who never had any calves could win it 8 times?
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he never said he was "better" he said he would have won, because he has "a lot going for him" and "it's hard to knock off the champ"
NOT ONCE does he say..."Dorian has a better build than me"...and that's no accident
very true.
but you see when every pic and video shows ronnie being clearly better, the nuthuggers need whatever they can get.. ::)
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But a guy who never had any calves could win it 8 times row?
because the rest of him looked like this:
http://www.truveo.com/Ronnie-Coleman-1999-Mr-Olympia-Part-Two/id/1160132027
enjoy the movie.
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very true.
but you see when every pic and video shows ronnie being clearly better, the nuthuggers need whatever they can get.. ::)
Pics video pics video pics video pics video pics video pics videos. Throw a couple of quotes in there you like (conveniently ignoring those that speak against your POV) selective pictures to boot and we have ourselves an opinion! Never mind the fact you've never seen any of them in real life.
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Why would judges always go for the current Mr O? Didn't Ronnie lose a show to Gunter in the middle of his reign
because back in the 90's thats what they did. see the 1994 Ms. Olympia and the 94 Mr. O for great examples of the judging back then.
Ronnie lost to gunter to generate interest in the Mr.O that year and it worked. even bodybuilding.com agrees it was a fix.
and its pretty clear when you see shots from the show, ronnie easily won:
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Pics video pics video pics video pics video pics video pics videos. Throw a couple of quotes in there you like (conveniently ignoring those that speak against your POV) selective pictures to boot and we have ourselves an opinion! Never mind the fact you've never seen any of them in real life.
LOL someone is a little bitter that dorian is nowhere near as good and how obvious it is.
interesting..
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Pics video pics video pics video pics video pics video pics videos. Throw a couple of quotes in there you like (conveniently ignoring those that speak against your POV) selective pictures to boot and we have ourselves an opinion! Never mind the fact you've never seen any of them in real life.
I've seen them both....Ronnie owned him
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Never mind the fact you've never seen any of them in real life.
others have, and their opinion corroborates all the pics and videos you are so quick to ignore.. ::)
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because the rest of him looked like this:
http://www.truveo.com/Ronnie-Coleman-1999-Mr-Olympia-Part-Two/id/1160132027
enjoy the movie.
Lol, '99. No need to link it to me. I was THERE not far from the front. I form my opinions by attending shows, than poring over media. I tell you what kiddo, Ronnie only ever won the FDB that night compared to ANY Dorian showing. How can you be this blind?
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I've seen them both....Ronnie owned him
like I said, others have and it corroborates exactly what the pics and vids show.
cue the excuses!
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Lol, '99. No need to link it to me. I was THERE not far from the front. I form my opinions by attending shows, than poring over media. I tell you what kiddo, Ronnie only ever won the FDB that night compared to ANY Dorian showing. How can you be this blind?
LMAO are you a gimmick account for one of the nuthuggers? I have never heard anything so stupid.. :-\
fuck, even dorian's front lat gets crushed by ronnie 99.
perhaps you were taking a piss when he hit that shot LOL ::)
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Groink's opinion is FAR more valid than your non-opinion devised from bias Hulk. It may be contradictory to mine, but at least I can respect that seeing he saw them (unless he is lying which appears to be prevalent as I read backposts) live. Again, hand-me-down opinions and second hand accounts from carefully picked sources. What is your opinion then on Ronnie admitting Dorian would've won? Politics I suppose?
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LMAO are you a gimmick account for one of the nuthuggers? I have never heard anything so stupid.. :-\
fuck, even dorian's front lat gets crushed by ronnie 99.
perhaps you were taking a piss when he hit that shot LOL ::)
Way to go with posting selective pics again! Are you really trying to compare Ronnies back to Dorian?
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LMAO are you a gimmick account for one of the nuthuggers? I have never heard anything so stupid.. :-\
fuck, even dorian's front lat gets crushed by ronnie 99.
perhaps you were taking a piss when he hit that shot LOL ::)
Where did ND go?
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because back in the 90's thats what they did. see the 1994 Ms. Olympia and the 94 Mr. O for great examples of the judging back then.
Ronnie lost to gunter to generate interest in the Mr.O that year and it worked. even bodybuilding.com agrees it was a fix.
and its pretty clear when you see shots from the show, ronnie easily won:
I guess we agree on that then. Gunter should not have won that show. Then again, I wasn't there so I reserve a very vocal opinion.
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its quite clear it was politics and being humble too.
unless you really think 97 dorian could come close: LOL
what is interesting though is that in the quote where ronnie say he would win, it could be argued he was referring to politics also, as he said it was the era of ronnie coleman etc.
I am going to dig up that quote, its on here somewhere, just because ND in his usual forgetfullness, does not believe it ever was said..dude must have dementia or something LOL ::)
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Where did ND go?
to jump off a bridge from the owning he his getting on this thread?
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Dude, in all due respect. You might as well not waste time posting SELECTIVE pictures as it makes you look silly. We can back and forth this for years going through an endless cycle of regurgitating selective pics. You were not there, therefore your opinion cannot be taken seriously. You're really just fighting the side of other's opinions that happen to fit your POV on this issue. Ronnie is only two years younger than Dorian and by all accounts started training years before Dorian did therefore having a head start and still couldn't best him ... SEVEN times. (again, I think it's seven times, haven't counted properly). I suppose you're one of those that will tell me body building right now is better than it was in the 90's ?
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The WHOLE FUCKING ANSWER was politics
Sure it was ::) yes contests are fixed and guys are handpicked and it's a whole plot
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"could be argued" LOL....the guy was onstage literally with one arm hanging by a thread. And was awarded the title of "world's best built, most muscular man" and he was afraid to flex his left arm because the thought he was going to completely rip his tri off the bone.
Dorians era was the biggest bullshit era in BBIng...
Actually the most dominating era in the history of the IFBB ;)
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Way to go with posting selective pics again! Are you really trying to compare Ronnies back to Dorian?
LOL since when is a shot of ronnie onstage hitting a lat spread in 99 a 'selective' pic?
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you really must be a gimmick account because you are rehashing the same bullshit that the nuthuggers have been doing for years:
every pic that shows ronnie 99/98 or whatever being better than dorian it is automatically a 'selective' pic.. ::)
no, it is a representative pic- he was better and it shows all the time.
its not our fault. thats just the way it was.
you think we go hunting around to find the few good ronnie shots and post them? LOL ::)
no, we take shots from the contest where he was in shape and post them. end of story.
they happen to be better than dorian and thats it.
it has nothing to do with being selective about the shots.
it has everything to do with ronnie having a better physique when he was at his peak.
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he never said he was "better" he said he would have won, because he has "a lot going for him" and "it's hard to knock off the champ"
NOT ONCE does he say..."Dorian has a better build than me"...and that's no accident
The old semantics game huh? he never said a lot of things but what does that have to do with it? I know it pains you that Ronnie feels Dorian would beat him but please don't presume to speak for him
Dorian is a man who routinely beat Ronnie so it's not out of the realm of possibility that he feels he would beat him again and I've always maintained that just because Ronnie says so doesn't make it true but it's always laughable to see the lengths his fan go to try and downplay or dismiss him
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I suppose you're one of those that will tell me body building right now is better than it was in the 90's ?
hell no.
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Are you really trying to compare Ronnies back to Dorian?
its common knowledge that ronnie at his peak had a back that surpassed dorian's back.
so this should not be so shocking to you.
I know you have been away from bb for the last few years as you say, but times have changed.
dorian's back is not the best ever any more.
ronnie's was.
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But a guy who never had any calves could win it 8 times?
Great point but these hypocrites are very much willing to overlook that caveat ;D selective criteria
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its common knowledge that ronnie at his peak had a back that surpassed dorian's back.
so this should not be so shocking to you.
Not to Ronnie ;)
DESCRIBE DORIAN YATES: A close friend. Dorian is very intelligent, a great Mr. Olympia. He had the best side-chest pose and the thickest freakiest back I have ever seen
2003 BTW
hey wait that contradicts your claim Dorian's back was flat
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Pics video pics video pics video pics video pics video pics videos. Throw a couple of quotes in there you like (conveniently ignoring those that speak against your POV) selective pictures to boot and we have ourselves an opinion! Never mind the fact you've never seen any of them in real life.
ive been saying this for a long time.
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because back in the 90's thats what they did. see the 1994 Ms. Olympia and the 94 Mr. O for great examples of the judging back then.
Ronnie lost to gunter to generate interest in the Mr.O that year and it worked. even bodybuilding.com agrees it was a fix.
and its pretty clear when you see shots from the show, ronnie easily won:
Actually Bob Chick already corrected you on this as well as another member who were both in attendance ;)
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LOL since when is a shot of ronnie onstage hitting a lat spread in 99 a 'selective' pic?
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you really must be a gimmick account because you are rehashing the same bullshit that the nuthuggers have been doing for years:
every pic that shows ronnie 99/98 or whatever being better than dorian it is automatically a 'selective' pic.. ::)
no, it is a representative pic- he was better and it shows all the time.
its not our fault. thats just the way it was.
you think we go hunting around to find the few good ronnie shots and post them? LOL ::)
no, we take shots from the contest where he was in shape and post them. end of story.
they happen to be better than dorian and thats it.
it has nothing to do with being selective about the shots.
it has everything to do with ronnie having a better physique when he was at his peak.
It's the fact you've never seen them in real life which forms your strange opinion. I've now realised why you focus so much on second hand accounts, a plethora of media and selective quotes. You don't personally have a live account of Dorian. Why do you even post?
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It's the fact you've never seen them in real life which forms your strange opinion. I've now realised why you focus so much on second hand accounts, a plethora of media and selective quotes. You don't personally have a live account of Dorian. Why do you even post?
What's funny when pressed on this very topic before he said he didn't need to see him live & in person and he's just as qualified to judge a contest via pictures & video as the IFBB judges are live and in person
There is a very good reason why Hulkster prefers Ronnie over Dorian :-X
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Black Love Muffin? You're biased, which qualifies you as a fanboy, which in return renders your opinion void as fanboys can't be objective. I know I'm new here, but it appears to me you're just trolling.
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you are not new. no one believes that for a minute.
you are using the same phrases and lines that only nuthuggers familiar with these debates would know.
you are a gimmick account from someone who participates in these ronnie dorian threads.
nice try, but you are not fooling anyone.
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you may not realize it, but you have given away some major clues that you are a gimmick account just based on some of the things you have said.
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you are not new. no one believes that for a minute.
you are using the same phrases and lines that only nuthuggers familiar with these debates would know.
you are a gimmick account from someone who participates in these ronnie dorian threads.
nice try, but you are not fooling anyone.
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you may not realize it, but you have given away some major clues that you are a gimmick account just based on some of the things you have said.
LMFAO Hulkster the detective is on the case.
who is it? and is he a black love muffin? ;D
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Go on then. Let a mod check IP's and anything else they need. I'm a first time poster and a long time reader, that's just the way it is, sorry kiddo.
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LOL I love it.
when called on about how obvious it is that you are not new as you tried to claim, now all of a sudden you are a 'long time reader'
LOL
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this just gets better and better.
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The only thing that is obvious here is that Black Love Muffin aren't as good as you make him out to be. That's all kiddo.
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no, the only thing obvious here is that you were caught in a lie and were exposed.
and you expect people to believe what you post? LMAO.
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Even if you lost, act as if you won, heh boy? ;D
again, ask the mods to check IP's kiddo, there is IP tracing software that can 'expose' me in seconds. This is my one and only account and you're a troll. That's it :-*
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no, the only thing obvious here is that you were caught in a lie and were exposed.
and you expect people to believe what you post? LMAO.
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Fanboy! Pics are selective because they are the pics that editors and writers chose to have posted in magazines and on websites. If you could search through every single pic from every contest Ronnie and Dorian entered and then compared them then there would be hint on legitamacy to your claim. That is if the pics backed it up. But there is no way to see every single pic. So with out being at the actual shows then your opinion is just that. A simple fanboys meaningless opinion and not fact at all.
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Pics are selective because they are the pics that editors and writers chose to have posted in magazines and on websites
but they are selective based on the quality of the pics which is good. the fact that most are not shitty pics is a good thing
it means that comparisons of peak ronnie and peak dorian are even more accurate.
and dorian still loses LOL
nice try. I love it when nuthuggers try and argue and end up shooting themselves in the foot.
but then again, when you are arguing for a losing cause, that happens a lot I guess..
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He's an idiot. I show up and whip his ass and now get accused of being a gimmick and act as if I'm being 'exposed' because he has ZERO hard facts to back up his outrageous claims. The fool can't looked past his own limited POV when it comes to glorifying Ronnie and absolutely refuses to give any way when it comes to awarding Dorian plus points. I can settle for Dorian being handed a gift in '97, but does it mean Ronnie should have won? LOL. Here's a thing Hulk, had Flex showed up in actual contest shape on '98, your boy would've settled for a non-winners place again.
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LOL
someone is quite bitter about losing their credibility LOL
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but they are selective based on the quality of the pics which is good. the fact that most are not shitty pics is a good thing
it means that comparisons of peak ronnie and peak dorian are even more accurate.
and dorian still loses LOL
nice try. I love it when nuthuggers try and argue and end up shooting themselves in the foot.
but then again, when you are arguing for a losing cause, that happens a lot I guess..
Look, it's clear your debating skills start and finish with 'It don't matter if I get my ass whipped, post any old crap, pass if off as the truth and act as if I won'. Love Muffin may have won more than Dorian, but Dorian's record against Love Muffin speaks for itself.
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LOL
someone is quite bitter about losing their credibility LOL
Again, act as if you're right ;) Do you suffer a mild case of brain damage? ;D
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yeah dorian's record.
LOL
newsflash: the whole IFBB roster kicked ronnie's ass many times before he actually added the size and obtained the necessary condition to begin winning Mr. O's.
that doesn't mean any of them would still beat him in his post Mr. O winning form.
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During Ronnie's reign the line up couldn't compete with the line up in the 90's. Per you own admission. Ronnie won because he wasn't being challenged by anyone with the quality of Yates for starters. The rest of the 90's gang was getting on in age and not in their best showings anymore. Is it not obvious for you?
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yeah dorian's record.
LOL
newsflash: the whole IFBB roster kicked ronnie's ass many times before he actually added the size and obtained the necessary condition to begin winning Mr. O's.
that doesn't mean any of them would still beat him in his post Mr. O winning form.
Yes I find that funny too. Levrone and Nasser beat Ronnie plenty before ron became RON.....then he beat their asses repeatedly.
But Dorian is so fucking super-special he would have still beat Ron....with one arm no less ::)
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Yes I find that funny too. Levrone and Nasser beat Ronnie plenty before ron became RON.....then he beat their asses repeatedly.
But Dorian is so fucking super-special he would have still beat Ron....with one arm no less ::)
yeah, he was so special he looks better in person than in pics and videos - but this doesn't happen with any other pro especially not to Ronnie Coleman according to the dorian fans LOL
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Let us not then overlook the fact that while Dorian may not have had ONE arm, Ronnie didn't have TWO calves. Whichever way this is looked at, all body builders have weak points. Mark Dorian down for FDB then. Even Sonbaty would beat him in FDB, but when Dorian turns around, so does the scorecard ;)
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never was a big dorian fan,,, respected him but,,,, maybe it was the tear what ev... recently i have been really understanding why everybody likes his build...
hew was awesome when he was younger and even up to the tear...
awesome olympian build
ronnie fan for a while but it could really go either way,,, one things for sure they were both in a league of their own.
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yeah, he was so special he looks better in person than in pics and videos - but this doesn't happen with any other pro especially not to Ronnie Coleman according to the dorian fans LOL
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Again kiddo, they all look better in person, you said so yourself on a previous page when you fired on about some lowly pro you've seen. It's just the fact that Dorian looks better than Love Muffin. Bloody hell fella, Ronnie having a hawt muscular black ass that turns you on is no reason to lose objectivity.
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Yes I find that funny too. Levrone and Nasser beat Ronnie plenty before ron became RON.....then he beat their asses repeatedly.
But Dorian is so fucking super-special he would have still beat Ron....with one arm no less ::)
The difference is NONE of them ever beat Dorian ;)
two people beat Dorian in the IFBB and that's it one was a career best Lee Haney who actually lost the muscularity round to Dorian and the other was a Momo in a close contest when Dorian was 228 pounds
And the debate was who would beat who at their best Dorian at his best didn't have a torn bicep and you still haven't commented on Ronnie not one but two missing calves .
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never was a big dorian fan,,, respected him but,,,, maybe it was the tear what ev... recently i have been really understanding why everybody likes his build...
hew was awesome when he was younger and even up to the tear...
awesome olympian build
ronnie fan for a while but it could really go either way,,, one things for sure they were both in a league of their own.
Absolutely, it was the same when Haney was on top mostly in the 80s and recall thinking @ the time Lee Haney has crap arms and calves...the 2 things Arnold (who @ that point was still number 1 with 7 MR Os) had...massive arms and calves so of course "Arnold would crush Haney"...lol it wasn't till he was long retired and i started taking a OBJECTIVE view on how Physiques are judged etc etc,
You could actually see how great Haney was, and its the same with Yates his extra order-nary Conditioning, consistency, and Physique seems to always be over looked with "well look his arms were crap" and in that PARTICULAR year his gut was extended, so he would lose to Coleman, the same old people over and over again post those pics showing him looking like crap, but for some reason the Man they are consistently endorsing all you see is these selective pictures, screen caps, Videos etc, they never discuss the fact that the Calves on their guy, the CONSISTENT conditioning, and actual full set of ABS would be needed to compete with Yates because he has better arms, quads etc so of course he would "beat him" ...
BTW no i doubt very much Yates would have had a shit show in hell in his 1997 condition against Ronnie in 1998...in fact id say only his 1993 O and Perhaps his 1995 O (due to his conditioning being slightly sharper than 93) showing would stand a chance against Coleman in 1998...that sort of contest would be IMO too close to call.
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true, had dorian competed in 98 in his 97 shape it would have been game over for him.
although as Ronnie has alluded to in the past, the extreme political nature of his reign might have caused him to win anyway.
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two people beat Dorian in the IFBB and that's it one was a career best Lee Haney who actually lost the muscularity round to Dorian
guess what? Haney still beat Dorian. ;)
why do you suppose that is?
And the debate was who would beat who at their best Dorian at his best didn't have a torn bicep and you still haven't commented on Ronnie not one but two missing calves.
<yawn> following your rationale, Jay is two missing calves also. ::)
(http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr149/massturbater/jc_rc_8954.jpg)
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true, had dorian competed in 98 in his 97 shape it would have been game over for him.
although as Ronnie has alluded to in the past, the extreme political nature of his reign might have caused him to win anyway.
Any chance you would like to enlighten us with what the actual motive (politics) would be with having a Non American BBing Olympia champion would be by way of Marketing/promotion/sales/sponcership etc etc?
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guess what? Haney still beat Dorian. ;)
why do you suppose that is?
<yawn> following your rationale, Jay is two missing calves also. ::)
guess what? Haney still beat Dorian. ;)
why do you suppose that is?
Oh look who is responding to questions NOT asked from him and runs from one that are I'll answer your questions because I enjoy making you look like stupid
Dorian beat a career best Haney in the muscularity round despite being 10 pounds lighter ;) Who did Haney face? Dorian at his very first Olympia and only his 3rd professional show and Yates pushed Haney to the limit , Haney won because he enjoyed advantages over Yates especially in posing & presentation .
If Haney 1991 would have faced Dorian 1993 he would have been left for dead
<yawn> following your rationale, Jay is two missing calves also. ::)
still trying to connect the dots huh? this picture is suppose to prove what exactly? Ronnie's calves are missing that classic diamond shape , Ronnie's calves are missing separation between the gastrocnemius inner & outter heads on top of inserting high much worse than having one bicep shorter than the other
And try using a picture from a competition ;)
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Missing not one bicep TWO entire calves
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Any chance you would like to enlighten us with what the actual motive (politics) would be with having a Non American BBing Olympia champion would be by way of Marketing/promotion/sales/sponcership etc etc?
I know you supposedly haven't been around the sport for a while (yeah sure..lol ::) :P), so I will enligten you as to how politically motivated wins in bodybuilding work.
they have never been about marketing, selling tickets etc except in the obvious case of gunter over ronnie, where guntermania was running wild and it was painfully obvious based on how gunter and ronnie actually compared - ronnie beat him easily.
its all about if Uncle Joe likes you, you will do well. look at Arnold 1980, Uncle Joes good friend, look what happened. Franco 1981, same thing. Jay over chris at the AC where Jay had one side of his body atrophied. If you are close to Joe, you win. its that simple. its contest. if he wants you to win, you do, even if you show up looking awful, like dorian 97 over nasser etc.
the IFBB has never been smart enough to really push their guys like they should have in terms of marketing, something that Vince McMahon and the WBF tried to actually do.
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a classic case of biased judging occured at the 1993 Olympia where the judges were prepared to score dorian without comparing him to his competitors in the muscularity round.
they were going to score him with comparing him.
that is by definition, the most blatant bias judging in the history of the sport to date.
its sad that it was allowed to occur, but that is Uncle Joe's contest, dorian was going to win no matter what he looked like.
of course he showed up looking great.
but had he showed up torn and looking awful, guess what? the judges would not have cared and looked the other way like they always did for his wins.. ::)
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a classic case of biased judging occured at the 1993 Olympia where the judges were prepared to score dorian without comparing him to his competitors in the muscularity round.
they were going to score him with comparing him.
that is by definition, the most blatant bias judging in the history of the sport to date.
its sad that it was allowed to occur, but that is Uncle Joe's contest, dorian was going to win no matter what he looked like.
of course he showed up looking great.
but had he showed up torn and looking awful, guess what? the judges would not have cared and looked the other way like they always did for his wins.. ::)
Yes biased because they already seen enough , he was so far ahead of everyone in the symmetry round it was redundant to call him out on the muscularity round
Most dominate win of all-time something Ronnie couldn't manage in 1998/1999/2001/2003 in fact ever
cause Ronnie didn't show up looking like shit and still win ::) in fact he made a career out of ;D
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I know you supposedly haven't been around the sport for a while (yeah sure..lol ::) :P), so I will enligten you as to how politically motivated wins in bodybuilding work.
they have never been about marketing, selling tickets etc except in the obvious case of gunter over ronnie, where guntermania was running wild and it was painfully obvious based on how gunter and ronnie actually compared - ronnie beat him easily.
its all about if Uncle Joe likes you, you will do well. look at Arnold 1980, Uncle Joes good friend, look what happened. Franco 1981, same thing. Jay over chris at the AC where Jay had one side of his body atrophied. If you are close to Joe, you win. its that simple. its contest. if he wants you to win, you do, even if you show up looking awful, like dorian 97 over nasser etc.
the IFBB has never been smart enough to really push their guys like they should have in terms of marketing, something that Vince McMahon and the WBF tried to actually do.
Coleman's 1998 Olympia victory] was not a definitive win. In 99, Big Ron was lucky to defeat Flex Wheeler again. Levrone thought he'd beaten him twice, in 2000 and 2002. At the 2002 show, Levrone had won both of the evening rounds (a year on, at the Olympia press conference before the 2003 show, Coleman would chide Levrone, asking him, 'When was the last time you beat me?' Levrone replied, 'Last year.'). In 2001, Jay Cutler beat Ronnie in both the first two rounds and lost by four points.
Coleman had not replicated the dominance of Haney and Yates. He always seemed slightly vulnerable, protected as much by protocol as his physique
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Yes biased because they already seen enough , he was so far ahead of everyone in the symmetry round it was redundant to call him out on the muscularity round
its the judges job to be impartial and fair.
not calling someone out 'because they had seen enough' is not doing this job.
sorry. but you can't argue your way out of this one.
the judges had a responsibilty to all competitors to score based on proper comparisons, this was not done because of predetermined conceptions of what dorian looked like.
as partial as you could possibly get short of not even having dorian come out on stage and score him anyway..oh wait- thats what they were actually going to do for that round.. ::)
sorry.
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its the judges job to be impartial and fair.
not calling someone out 'because they had seen enough' is not doing this job.
sorry. but you can't argue your way out of this one.
the judges had a responsibilty to all competitors to score based on proper comparisons, this was not done because of predetermined conceptions of what dorian looked like.
as partial as you could possibly get short of not even having dorian come out on stage and score him anyway..oh wait- thats what they were actually going to do for that round.. ::)
sorry.
Again did they happen to see his muscularity directly compared to his competition? yes , so they did in fact compare him and came to the conclusion he was so far ahead of everyone there was no reason to include him in the round , this proves how dominate he was over everyone
you're just pissed NO version of Ronnie ever happened to be that dominating ;D
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[quoteAgain did they happen to see his muscularity directly compared to his competition? yes ][/quote]
no, they didn't, you need to follow proper protocol and compare them directly standing side by side in mandatory poses..
you really have no clue how the judging system works do you? ::)
you're just pissed NO version of Ronnie ever happened to be that dominating
the sport should be glad that partial judging this blatant never happened during ronnie's reign.
it would be bad for his wins to be so tainted like dorian's.
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the sport should be glad that partial judging this blatant never happened during ronnie's reign.
it would be bad for his wins to be so tainted like dorian's.
Answer the question did they have a chance to compare Dorian's muscularity directly compared to his competitors?
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its not about 'having a chance'
its about doing their job properly such that it is impartial..
you are missing the whole point..duh.. ::)
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its not about 'having a chance'
its about doing their job properly such that it is impartial..
you are missing the whole point..duh.. ::)
You're missing the point moron , they directed compared his muscularity to theirs anc came to the conclusion he was so far ahead it was redundant and it wouldn't have served ANY purpose in comparing them again and he was brought out FYI he was directed compared to Shawn and Flex
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he was so far ahead it was redundant and it wouldn't have served ANY purpose
yeah, since when does comparing competitors in mandatory poses side by side serve a purpose in judging? duh..LOL
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you are so dumb its incredible.
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yeah, since when does comparing competitors in mandatory poses side by side serve a purpose in judging? duh..LOL
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you are so dumb its incredible.
They were compared side-by-side and they judges directly compared their muscularity which is exactly how they came to the conclusion he wasn't needed in the muscularity round
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yeah, since when does comparing competitors in mandatory poses side by side serve a purpose in judging? duh..LOL
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you are so dumb its incredible.
do i need to scan the 93 pics and show Yates being compared to ray and wheeler?
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Hulkster, I'm new here and everything, but I've been doing a bit of reading here the past few weeks. Question for you. Have you seen Dorian and Ronnie live with your own two eyes? If so, perhaps you would look at this differently. Hand on heart, Dorian looks NOTHING in real life like the pictures you're throwing about. The pics can't even compare. I've met and spoke to every single top body builder from the 90's. I've been to 5 Olympia's and saw Dorian win in 94, 95, 96, 97 (sadly didn't see the '93 version) and saw Ronnie take it in '99. Further more, I've been to most European Grand Prix's and every single English Grand Prix since the early 90's. I've seen ALL the body builders compete you've only seen in Flex or MuscleMag. In short, I know something or two about how contests are judged. Do you know the parameters and factors that's included in judging? Do you know how it works?
As for Dorian v Ronnie. I give Ronnie FDB, MM (50/50) and perhaps ab thigh at a stretch. The rest of the poses Dorian wins. It may not look like it to you on a Flex pic that captures a single moment in time, or a video which doesn't really translate his physique well. Dorian was a freak to all who seen him live. You haven't seen him in that capacity (which is THE most important), yet I cannot understand why you claim to speak with authority in this subject you're missing the most important chapter from.
PS, I'm an Aaron Baker fan, huge fan (no homo) and yet it didn't make me blind to his shortcomings.
owned, just owned.
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do i need to scan the 93 pics and show Yates being compared to ray and wheeler?
he was only compared because Wayne demilia wanted the fans to see him again.
it wasn't a request from the judges.
it says so right in the flex 93 contest review.
duh. you guys think you can pull a fast one on me, but I am smarter than you.
I am always one step ahead.
remember that.
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he was only compared because Wayne demilia wanted the fans to see him again.
it wasn't a request from the judges.
it says so right in the flex 93 contest review.
duh. you guys think you can pull a fast one on me, but I am smarter than you.
I am always one step ahead.
remember that.
lmfao I'm smarter than you , Ronnie's calves are more detailed than Dorians , 1994 was fixed and 2001 Ronnie dominated by losing the whole prejudging , Dorian is the most overrated of all time , 1999 was his best , 1998 O wasn't a close contest , you're just as qualified to judge contests on the internet than people are live and in person , etc , ect if this is what you're measuring intelligence by then man you're in trouble lmmfao
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A concept you can't seem to grasp is they did compared Dorian's muscularity to his competitors they just did it in the symmetry round and that's how they came to the conclusion it was redundant including him in the muscularity round
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he was only compared because Wayne demilia wanted the fans to see him again.
it wasn't a request from the judges.
it says so right in the flex 93 contest review.
duh. you guys think you can pull a fast one on me, but I am smarter than you.
I am always one step ahead.
remember that.
but you still have not seen any of them live like some of us. you are a step ahead, yeah ok.
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A concept you can't seem to grasp is they did compared Dorian's muscularity to his competitors they just did it in the symmetry round and that's how they came to the conclusion it was redundant including him in the muscularity round
LOL yeah, great impartial judging: judging muscularity in mandatories simply by having them stand relaxed..
yeah.. ::)
you are digging yourself a hole that is deeper and deeper here..
its much easier if you call it what it is: biased and predetermined judging.
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but you still have not seen any of them live like some of us. you are a step ahead, yeah ok.
Hulkster = owned
Hulkster = internet fanboy
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but you still have not seen any of them live like some of us. you are a step ahead, yeah ok.
I am a step ahead because I know my history, and you guys think I don't and thats why I surprised you with the fact that I know that demilia called for dorian, not the judges.
you weren't expecting that were you?
next time, realize that I know more than you.
it will make things easier on yourselves and you won't get publicly embarassed on this board by me anymore.
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I am a step ahead because I know my history, and you guys think I don't and thats why I surprised you with the fact that I know that demilia called for dorian, not the judges.
you weren't expecting that were you?
next time, realize that I know more than you.
it will make things easier on yourselves and you won't get publicly embarassed on this board by me anymore.
Yeah you know history 1998 wasn't a close contest and 2001 Ronnie dominated by losing lol
we all know what you know and it isn't much
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1998 wasn't a close contest onstage.
it was close on paper only. flex had a lot of push going at the time you know. he had his name on the contest, and this elevated his scoring considerably. side by side, it wasn't close at all.
as far as 2001 goes, same thing - the judges were way off in having jay win the first two rounds. way way off.
the mistake you always make is you assume the judging always accurate.
it isn't. see 1994, see 1997 see 98 scoring, see etc etc.
you seem to be the only one stupid enough not to understand this..duh. ::)
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ND thinks 98 was close:
yeah, its real close LOL:
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<ND frantically trying to come up with some sort of rebuttal, but its no use..its back to the flowershop he goes..>
;D
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ND thinks 98 was close:
yeah, its real close LOL:
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In that shot Ronnie is owning Flex
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1998 wasn't a close contest onstage.
it was close on paper only. flex had a lot of push going at the time you know. he had his name on the contest, and this elevated his scoring considerably. side by side, it wasn't close at all.
as far as 2001 goes, same thing - the judges were way off in having jay win the first two rounds. way way off.
the mistake you always make is you assume the judging always accurate.
it isn't. see 1994, see 1997 see 98 scoring, see etc etc.
you seem to be the only one stupid enough not to understand this..duh. ::)
yeah it wasn't close ( 3 points ) that's not close at all lmao
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<ND frantically trying to come up with some sort of rebuttal, but its no use..its back to the flowershop he goes..>
;D
Funny you bring up Gay calling ;)
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Funny you bring up Gay calling ;)
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:-X :-X :-X
Hulkster will die defending his black love muffin
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In that shot Ronnie is owning Flex
very common at the 98 O.
but ND insists that it was really close because the scorecard (where ronnie was overlooked in the early rounds) says so. so it must be true no matter what the comparisons show..LOL
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very common at the 98 O.
but ND insists that it was really close because the scorecard (where ronnie was overlooked in the early rounds) says so. so it must be true no matter what the comparisons show..LOL
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No it was like 2001 where Ronnie dominated LMMFAO and 2002 where he destroyed Gunther ;D
you make statement it contradicts reality & the experts , we all laugh and you get pissed-off , keep going pumpster ;)
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No it was like 2001 where Ronnie dominated LMMFAO and 2002 where he destroyed Gunther ;D
you make statement it contradicts reality & the experts , we all laugh and you get pissed-off , keep going pumpster ;)
Gunther was a huge mofo in 2002 got any more pics ND/
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LOL it contradicts reality? oh really?:
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ND has no idea what the 98 O. actually showed: ::)
get your head out of your ass and start opening your eyes:
this was not a 3 point difference: it was ronnie by a landslide:
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LOL it contradicts reality? oh really?:
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ND has no idea what the 98 O. actually showed: ::)
get your head out of your ass and start opening your eyes:
this was not a 3 point difference: it was ronnie by a landslide:
Now kids I hate to say this but that second pic looks like Nasser is owning, I hope team Nasser dont see my post.
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no, Nasser is not owning, look at his oil filled arms. hell, look at flex's.
ronnie is the only one in that shot with real arms..notice how his actually have definition and cuts, unlike the oil filled bags on his competitors..
but no, retard ND says it was a close contest just because the scores were close on paper LOL ::)
what he doesn't realize is that the overlooking of ronnie at the beginning skewed his overall scoring down.
but this is simple mathematics/statistics, and I wouldn't expect ND to have a clue about that..
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Dorian: 7
Ronnie: 0
I believe the usual line is. Thanks for playing ;)
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Dorian: 7
Ronnie: 0
I believe the usual line is. Thanks for playing ;)
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Dorian beat a career best Haney in the muscularity round despite being 10 pounds lighter Who did Haney face? Dorian at his very first Olympia and only his 3rd professional show and Yates pushed Haney to the limit , Haney won because he enjoyed advantages over Yates especially in posing & presentation.
blah blah blah. It doesn't matter b/c Haney still won. In fact, you only weaken your argument each time you bring up Dorian winning the muscularity round.
Dorian won the muscularity round yet Haney won the contest for having a better physique. Similarly, Dorian may beat Ronnie in conditioning but Ronnie has the better physique. ;)
If Haney 1991 would have faced Dorian 1993 he would have been left for dead
lmao, that's like me saying if 89 Dorian faced 91 Haney, he would have been left for dead. Haney was a born champion. What makes you think Haney wouldn't have continued to improve or done whatever it takes to win?
still trying to connect the dots huh? this picture is suppose to prove what exactly? Ronnie's calves are missing that classic diamond shape , Ronnie's calves are missing separation between the gastrocnemius inner & outter heads on top of inserting high much worse than having one bicep shorter than the other
there is no connecting the dots, idiot. They are standing next to each other on stage. You fear pics b/c they always prove you wrong. So you frantically come up with any excuse you can to discredit them. Yeah, I'm "trying to connect the dots" by posting a pic of them standing side by side. I'm reaaaaally reaching here by posting an unedited pic. ::)
And try using a picture from a competition
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/RonnieJayCalves.jpg)
what's your excuse now, b*tch?
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1998 wasn't a close contest onstage.
it was close on paper only.
You make a great point. If only the professional judges at the contest were able to see the Muscletime pictures instead of the live event up close in person, he would have won by so much more.
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blah blah blah. It doesn't matter b/c Haney still won. In fact, you only weaken your argument each time you bring up Dorian winning the muscularity round.
Dorian won the muscularity round yet Haney won the contest for having a better physique. Similarly, Dorian may beat Ronnie in conditioning but Ronnie has the better physique. ;)
lmao, that's like me saying if 89 Dorian faced 91 Haney, he would have been left for dead. Haney was a born champion. What makes you think Haney wouldn't have continued to improve or done whatever it takes to win?
there is no connecting the dots, idiot. They are standing next to each other on stage. You fear pics b/c they always prove you wrong. So you frantically come up with any excuse you can to discredit them. Yeah, I'm "trying to connect the dots" by posting a pic of them standing side by side. I'm reaaaaally reaching here by posting an unedited pic. ::)
what's your excuse now, b*tch?
blah blah blah. It doesn't matter b/c Haney still won. In fact, you only weaken your argument each time you bring up Dorian winning the muscularity round.
Okay so you're saying that it doesn't matter that it was his first Mr Olympia showing and it doesn't matter it was only just his third professional show and it didn't matter he was ten pounds lighter and it doesn't matter that Haney had years of experience in posing & presentation , Gotcha ;)
Dorian won the muscularity round yet Haney won the contest for having a better physique. Similarly, Dorian may beat Ronnie in conditioning but Ronnie has the better physique. ;)
Ah we're forgetting other factors like posing & presentation , you have to learn Neo more to a contest than just size & conditioning , by 1993 when Dorian came into his own he would have trampled Haney's best and Dorian not only beat Ronnie in conditioning but in balance as well and depending on the year muscular bulk oh and lets not forget the posing & presentation aspect of the game , nice novice attempt at trying to guess who would win by leaving out half the criteria ;D
lmao, that's like me saying if 89 Dorian faced 91 Haney, he would have been left for dead. Haney was a born champion. What makes you think Haney wouldn't have continued to improve or done whatever it takes to win?
Haney actually had a lot of area's he needed to improve but never did . his quads while good certainly weren't on par with his torso , his hamstrings were lacking as were his calves , his conditioning was very hit-or-miss admittedly Haney always maintained he never peaked the day of the contest ( 1991 being the sole exception ) and his conditioning even at it's best wasn't in Yates' league
Dorian eclipsed him in muscular bulk , density & dryness and had better balance same with Ronnie so even hypothetically saying he could improve he's still down to much , even if Yates never came along Haney would have lost to Flex Wheeler , the sport passed him by
there is no connecting the dots, idiot. They are standing next to each other on stage. You fear pics b/c they always prove you wrong. So you frantically come up with any excuse you can to discredit them. Yeah, I'm "trying to connect the dots" by posting a pic of them standing side by side. I'm reaaaaally reaching here by posting an unedited pic. ::)
what's your excuse now, b*tch?
I fear pics? that pic prove me wrong ? really? ??? sorry Neo his calves are missing and in that pic they're missing that classic diamond shape which I don't see , they're missing separation between the inner & outer heads of the gastrocnemius I don't see that either and they're missing that low insertion and the pic doesn't show that either ' bitch ' ;)
His calves are MISSING they're horrible but fan boys are willing to overlook them and harp on Dorian's one bicep , hypocrites the whole lot of you ;)
And keep running from my responses it shows you're to much of a coward to respond and you concede defeat I will continue to expose how little you know .
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LOL it contradicts reality? oh really?:
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ND has no idea what the 98 O. actually showed: ::)
get your head out of your ass and start opening your eyes:
this was not a 3 point difference: it was ronnie by a landslide:
Like I said Hulkster types , contradicts reality , we all laugh and point out how stupid you are ;)
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no, Nasser is not owning, look at his oil filled arms. hell, look at flex's.
ronnie is the only one in that shot with real arms..notice how his actually have definition and cuts, unlike the oil filled bags on his competitors..
but no, retard ND says it was a close contest just because the scores were close on paper LOL ::)
what he doesn't realize is that the overlooking of ronnie at the beginning skewed his overall scoring down.
but this is simple mathematics/statistics, and I wouldn't expect ND to have a clue about that..
Notice I never ever once said you were smart and I never will because you're not ;D
Hulkster has many excuses and little facts :-\
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Coleman couldn't touch this:
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Coleman couldn't touch this:
Great shots even his arms looks big
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You make a great point. If only the professional judges at the contest were able to see the Muscletime pictures instead of the live event up close in person, he would have won by so much more.
no, if the professional judges did not have a preconcieved notion of what Flex was going to look like, Ronnie would have scored better at the onset of the contest.
Flex did not live up to the hype that the judges thought he was going to look like.
its human nature. flex was expected to win, the judges knew that, and it influenced their scoring at the beginning. thankfully, they quickly realized their mistake by the nightshow. and Ronnie won. and his later rounds were a lot higher in scoring. why? because the judges realized that Flex was not as good as expected, and Ronnie was 10x better than expected..
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christ..are you at it again. in every fucking thread? ::)
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no, if the professional judges did not have a preconcieved notion of what Flex was going to look like, Ronnie would have scored better at the onset of the contest.
Flex did not live up to the hype that the judges thought he was going to look like.
its human nature. flex was expected to win, the judges knew that, and it influenced their scoring at the beginning. thankfully, they quickly realized their mistake by the nightshow. and Ronnie won. and his later rounds were a lot higher in scoring. why? because the judges realized that Flex was not as good as expected, and Ronnie was 10x better than expected..
Fanboy I was at the 98 Mr O and YES it was close. You and your damn pics. You haven't even ever been to a show. It was close. No one complained when Ronnie was announced the winner and I guarantee no one would have bitched if Flex won. Get off Ronnies nut sack already. His physique is ugly as hell (98 and 99 it was ok). He shouldn't have won 8 Mr O's. Dorian's physique is also ugly as hell and he shouldn't have won 6 titles. So this debate is just dumb. You keep insisting politics were why Dorian won but guess what? Same goes for Ronnie. Politics are why he won 8. IMO neither were the best Mr O ever. You keep showing pics and calling them facts. They aren't FACTS! They are opinions. It's an objective sport so there are no facts. Hell you can look at the Mona Lisa and think "wow hot chick" while I may think she's nasty in the painting. Regardless of how many agree with you I'm still not wrong when it's my opinion. So just end this bs already. They both were great. Neither deserved all their titles and that's that.
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Fanboy I was at the 98 Mr O and YES it was close
you say it was close.
others who were there live and in person say it was not. many who were there have commented on how ronnie crushed him - search the web, comments are everywhere.
pics corroborate what they say, and show that your opinion that it was close may not be so correct.
perhaps your recollection is a bit foggy. after all, it was a long time ago.
It's an objective sport so there are no facts
but there can be poor physique assessments based on ignorance.
eg. if I say Kamali was better than dorian or ronnie that is an objective opinion.
but based on proper physique evaluation, it is clearly wrong.
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You keep insisting politics were why Dorian won but guess what?
not all years. just 94 and 97.
and the case of the 93 muscularity round fiasco was about as blatant as you can possibly get, even though dorian deserved to win that contest.
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There is none that's just Hulkster trolling
MY GOD LOOK AT THE FEATHERING IN HIS LOWER LATS AND LOOK AT THE DETAIL IN HIS LOWER AB AREA HE WAS IN FUCKING SHAPE NO DOUBT ABOUT IT. A little puffy but I don't know that that is water- looks like he's just full full full.
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You and your damn pics
I find it amusing how bitter people get when they are proven to be flat out wrong.
lol
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Where did you see Dorian and Ronnie compete again Hulkster? Remind me the live shows you attended that formed your opinion so passionate? Combined they've been on stage/active the last 20 years, you've seen ..... nothing? You're not even a fan or remotely knowledgeable. You feed off others's accounts to 'prove' yours. Face it kiddo, you're a stupid troll in every sense of the expression.
I'll spell it out clearly. Judges DON'T judge contest by looking at pictures, they judge them with body builders LIVE in front of them and there is a reason they do so. Do you know what that reason is troll? Do you understand and are aware of judging criteria troll?
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This is sad. You're resorting to second hand accounts to 'prove' your personal point. What if others say that Dorian was better? I suppose they would be idiots too for not dancing to your point of view kiddo. I saw Ronnie in '99 close up, I saw Dorian close up for years (with Ronnie fading in the background those years). The last time I saw Coleman was the 2004 English GP. Without even having to think about it once, the Yates of the 90's would've whacked him in '99 and '04. That's the years I saw Coleman, the Mr Olympia LIVE and could form my own opinions. Not pick and choose accounts to that satisfy your point of view.
If you want to talk about Yates getting gifts, an argument can be made for '97 (In the end he was still too strong for them) and no other year. That is what history says. Seven victories (iirc) over Coleman and still better than Coleman during Ronnie's Olympia reign.
You must have seen JP Fux as well. Was he the biggest guy of them all?
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Did Dorian use protein powder, that is: protein that is in powdered form, usually of the whey variety?
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you say it was close.
others who were there live and in person say it was not. many who were there have commented on how ronnie crushed him - search the web, comments are everywhere.
pics corroborate what they say, and show that your opinion that it was close may not be so correct.
perhaps your recollection is a bit foggy. after all, it was a long time ago.
but there can be poor physique assessments based on ignorance.
eg. if I say Kamali was better than dorian or ronnie that is an objective opinion.
but based on proper physique evaluation, it is clearly wrong.
you say it was close.
others who were there live and in person say it was not. many who were there have commented on how ronnie crushed him - search the web, comments are everywhere.
No bodybuilding history and the IFBB judges say it was close , the scorecard says it was close. and more weak logic from you argument ad populum " well a lot of people say it wasn't close , so there for it wasn't close ' you can't supplement your argument with facts because your ' opinion ' contradicts them so you look for comfort in numbers
It's a fact 1998 was a close contest , in fact one of the closest to this day , Ronnie won by just 3 points and he deserved to win but facts are facts and as usual you contradict them.
no, if the professional judges did not have a preconcieved notion of what Flex was going to look like, Ronnie would have scored better at the onset of the contest.
Flex did not live up to the hype that the judges thought he was going to look like.
its human nature. flex was expected to win, the judges knew that, and it influenced their scoring at the beginning. thankfully, they quickly realized their mistake by the nightshow. and Ronnie won. and his later rounds were a lot higher in scoring. why? because the judges realized that Flex was not as good as expected, and Ronnie was 10x better than expected..
The judges had a preconcieved notion of what Flex was going to look like? based on what? the 1997 Mr Olympia which he didn't compete at? If even entertaining your nonsense Ronnie would have been scored lower because Nasser was the previous Ronnie up and he and Flex were the heir apparent to the Olympia thrown , Ronnie wasn't even on the radar
the judges evaluate what shows up the day of the contest Ronnie looked fantastic so did Flex it was a very close contest and that's a fact.
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Where did you see Dorian and Ronnie compete again Hulkster? Remind me the live shows you attended that formed your opinion so passionate? Combined they've been on stage/active the last 20 years, you've seen ..... nothing? You're not even a fan or remotely knowledgeable. You feed off others's accounts to 'prove' yours. Face it kiddo, you're a stupid troll in every sense of the expression.
I'll spell it out clearly. Judges DON'T judge contest by looking at pictures, they judge them with body builders LIVE in front of them and there is a reason they do so. Do you know what that reason is troll? Do you understand and are aware of judging criteria troll?
Great post !
Man Hulkster just got bitch slapped ;D
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I find it amusing how bitter people get when they are proven to be flat out wrong.
lol
Which is exactly why you're trolling in yet another Dorian Yates thread trying to prove Ronnie was better , because I corrected your ass a million times and make you look like the ignorant biased troll you are and you're in every Yates thread bashing him and then me
If you had any confidence that your opinion was right you would have left it to stand on it's own two feet and been confident you've proven your point , like I did when I walked out of the truce thread because your hero conceded defeat ;)
Your trolling is legendary and so is your stupidity keep proving me right .
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You must have seen JP Fux as well. Was he the biggest guy of them all?
Fux was impressive but sadly his physique from close up always gave me the impression of a thick shapeless tree trunk with muscle packed around it. By no means am I ragging on him as the guy was a monster and commanded a lot of attention. He just never had the right shape to make head way into the top placings of the Olympias. Also, his back, fooking big.
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The judges had a preconcieved notion of what Flex was going to look like? based on what? the 1997 Mr Olympia which he didn't compete at?
no, based on the 1998 Arnold Classic where he showed up in what some say (including Flex himself) was his best ever shape.
learn your history people.
jesus. :-\
I can see why you get so frustrated. it must be hard trying to debate with someone who knows more than you do, and who exploits this on a regular basis..
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no, based on the 1998 Arnold Classic where he showed up in what some say (including Flex himself) was his best ever shape.
learn your history people.
jesus. :-\
I can see why you get so frustrated. it must be hard trying to debate with someone who knows more than you do, and who exploits this on a regular basis..
We'll need ND's input on this to get a clear understanding
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no, based on the 1998 Arnold Classic where he showed up in what some say (including Flex himself) was his best ever shape.
learn your history people.
jesus. :-\
I can see why you get so frustrated. it must be hard trying to debate with someone who knows more than you do, and who exploits this on a regular basis..
LOL.
I like how you go from claiming your opinions are facts, to touting your own knowledge... when clearly ND has forgotten more about bodybuilding than you know. Your arrogance knows no bounds.
ND has proved you wrong on so many of your rephrased quotes that it has to be embarrassing... Now your trying to claim you know more? Since you can never seem to remember what a quote says, and cant ever produce evidence for anything you say except for a few carefully selected pics? Not to mention saying "Here, look, Ronnie is better!" and posting the same tired pics repeatedly is not a debate.
You are a moron.
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Hulkster taking a bigger pounding than Annabel Chong in the Houston 500 gangbang.
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Surprise, Hulkster losing all credibility.
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I love this thread!! I'v been reading it all along with one or two posts and I just love it.
Its funny how Hulkster gets owned again and again, yet he thinks he's "winning".
Its funny how he completely ignores well carried and explained arguments by ND and James28 that expose his trolling and prove his "points" void, yet he conviniently responds to only certain post in which he can have a bit of edge (at least in his mind).
Almost everybody see this and ridicule him, yet he still confidently keeps posting his bias.
I really don't think he realizes how bad he "looks" in here.
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No wonder. He is not a fan of body building or interested in educating himself on judging criteria or the sport in general. He is a broken record, a one trick pony whose Getbig persona consist of pushing one issue that got him bitch slapped seemingly every day for a very long time (go look at his posting history, I could hardly believe it myself). It is said that Ronnie admitted to Dorian being better, why the fuck keep pushing if THE PERSON you're trying to push has already admitted your quest if futile? Oh, I know, because you enjoy trolling.
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You know, if Hulkster could only have a tiny amount of reasoning and debating skills, I would offer a give and take argument. If I admit to certain things and he stops steaming ahead on a futile road an agreement can be reached which probably even Dorian and Ronnie can agree on. Yet he sticks with his fucking ninnie-headed pointless argument of posting selective pics, selective arguments and refuse to admit any points the Dorian side of the argument takes. Take note that I don't call it 'Dorian Fans' argument because I for one are NOT a fan of Dorian but a fan of objectivity which Hulkster have never heard off. Therefore I take it upon myself kick him in the balls every time he posts his biased piss. Then again, he is just trolling and hairy trolls don't want to be objective.
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no, based on the 1998 Arnold Classic where he showed up in what some say (including Flex himself) was his best ever shape.
learn your history people.
jesus. :-\
I can see why you get so frustrated. it must be hard trying to debate with someone who knows more than you do, and who exploits this on a regular basis..
yeah because Flex has a history of coming in his all-time best at the Olympia ::) if anything they knew he wouldn't be his best because he competed in the spring shows he did the Arnold & the Ironman
The judges had NO clue how he would show up that's you trying to escape the facts as usual , you contradict the experts & professionals all the time you made a GetBig career out of contradicting everyone , your ignorance speaks for it's self.
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LOL.
I like how you go from claiming your opinions are facts, to touting your own knowledge... when clearly ND has forgotten more about bodybuilding than you know. Your arrogance knows no bounds.
ND has proved you wrong on so many of your rephrased quotes that it has to be embarrassing... Now your trying to claim you know more? Since you can never seem to remember what a quote says, and cant ever produce evidence for anything you say except for a few carefully selected pics? Not to mention saying "Here, look, Ronnie is better!" and posting the same tired pics repeatedly is not a debate.
You are a moron.
Great post !
He's very lost in any debate on subject and it's ironic he finds like minded idiots who try and pass of their opinions as fact like Neo and pumpster . I mean you're talking to a guy who claimed 1994 was a very close contest ( when it fact it wasn't ) and 2001 Olympia Ronnie dominated by losing the whole prejudging ??? I mean his stupidity is legendary .
I've corrected him and his stupid friends for years now and made them all look very clueless and it is the reason why he is in this Yates thread and the very reason he laces almost everyone of his posts with a personal attack on me because he points and can't let facts speak for themselves , he's desperate to try and make me look as dumb as I made him
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I love this thread!! I'v been reading it all along with one or two posts and I just love it.
Its funny how Hulkster gets owned again and again, yet he thinks he's "winning".
Its funny how he completely ignores well carried and explained arguments by ND and James28 that expose his trolling and prove his "points" void, yet he conviniently responds to only certain post in which he can have a bit of edge (at least in his mind).
Almost everybody see this and ridicule him, yet he still confidently keeps posting his bias.
I really don't think he realizes how bad he "looks" in here.
QFT !
I think he knows how stupid he looks but he has to try and save face somehow , he's in another Yates thread taking another dirty beating
Even people who agree Ronnie would crush Dorian think he's an idiot .
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Hulkster taking a bigger pounding than Annabel Chong in the Houston 500 gangbang.
;D
Hulkster has been a punching bag on this site for years now
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I see the few nuthuggers on this board are having a circle jerk.
how sad.
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I see the few nuthuggers on this board are having a circle jerk.
how sad.
Like I said you prove me right with every post troll
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Nice picture selection up there Hulkster ::)
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LOL yeah, great impartial judging: judging muscularity in mandatories simply by having them stand relaxed..
yeah.. ::)
you are digging yourself a hole that is deeper and deeper here..
its much easier if you call it what it is: biased and predetermined judging.
dude, hulky get real man. they were compared in bdb, rear lat, fdb, fls etc etc. do i really need to scan the 93 pics and post? again?
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hulkster owned. did they really need to compare in the muscularity round? i mean really?
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no, based on the 1998 Arnold Classic where he showed up in what some say (including Flex himself) was his best ever shape.
learn your history people.
jesus. :-\
I can see why you get so frustrated. it must be hard trying to debate with someone who knows more than you do, and who exploits this on a regular basis..
You don't know anything all you have is an opinion. Now you talk about physique criteria which is what judges go by but you yourself claim that when Dorian was competing the judges were wrong. Sure someone could say King looks better than say Shawn Ray. In their opinion that's how it is. Nothing wrong with that. I personally would disagree but hey it's my opinion. Bottom line Ronnie looked good three times in his career (98 and 99 Mr O and the 01 Arnold). The rest of the time he just had a big ugly physique. Dorian looked good in 93 and 94 and other than that pretty ugly himself. Face it you are in love fan boy.
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hulkster owned. did they really need to compare in the muscularity round? i mean really?
Dorian owning again
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hulkster owned. did they really need to compare in the muscularity round? i mean really?
Unbelievable ownage of Ray, Wheeler & Hulkster. LOL
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This shot is sick. Dorian was great in 93.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=313977.0;attach=355710;image)
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:'(
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hulkster owned. did they really need to compare in the muscularity round? i mean really?
They did compare Dorian's muscularity to his competitors just just did it in the symmetry round and decided it was redundant to do it again because he was so far and beyond
Hulkster built Ronnie up so much and bashed Dorian so much he just can't fathom how this could happen to Dorian but Ronnie never managed to pull it off even in 2003
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I know you supposedly haven't been around the sport for a while (yeah sure..lol ::) :P), so I will enligten you as to how politically motivated wins in bodybuilding work.
they have never been about marketing, selling tickets etc except in the obvious case of gunter over ronnie, where guntermania was running wild and it was painfully obvious based on how gunter and ronnie actually compared - ronnie beat him easily.
its all about if Uncle Joe likes you, you will do well. look at Arnold 1980, Uncle Joes good friend, look what happened. Franco 1981, same thing. Jay over chris at the AC where Jay had one side of his body atrophied. If you are close to Joe, you win. its that simple. its contest. if he wants you to win, you do, even if you show up looking awful, like dorian 97 over nasser etc.
the IFBB has never been smart enough to really push their guys like they should have in terms of marketing, something that Vince McMahon and the WBF tried to actually do.
Interesting...the fact is Bodybuilding is about marketing/promotion/seminars etc etc and has been since the Pro era (roughly 1965 onwards) without it the top finishers in Pro competition wouldn't receive a cent this is not bias speculation this is a clear fact so i find your first statement very bazaar however each to their own i guess,
The 1980 and 1981 Mr Olympias were and always be surrounded in controversy however the 1980 O was ran and Promotered by Former Mr Australia Paul Graham and the 1981 Mr O Promoted By Arnold in both Mr Olympias Joe Weider Did Not Organize or Run ether contest and the first of Dorian's Questionable wins in 1994...are you Suggesting Joe "liked" Dorian in 1994....so he you are Mr Yates...heres your O???...this whole "liked you" statement really sounds Ridiculous in the Professional era simply because there are more than several People involved in the Organizing/Promoting/formatting etc etc of contests mostly from the Mid 1980s onwards, however again if that's your belief that unless Joe "likes you" you will never win the O kudos to you knock yourself out.
The IFBB were smart enough to Promote there guys starting (in a mainstream sense) with Arnold then Lou etc, however by the mid to late 1980s mostly due to Arnold s and Lou's exposure the "sport" was starting more or less to pay for its self RE: the IFBB actually starting to make real money...not the non placing BBers... the ifbb...so wether Joe blow and mickey mouse was "winning" the O IMO didnt make a Difference to the IFBB or Joe IMO this is not wrong that's called Business nothing personal, when you say (more or less) its "up to Joe" wether he likes you or not that's the reason for Yates "wins" that sounds a little "personal" to me and doesn't add up.
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Interesting...the fact is Bodybuilding is about marketing/promotion/seminars etc etc and has been since the Pro era (roughly 1965 onwards) without it the top finishers in Pro competition wouldn't receive a cent this is not bias speculation this is a clear fact so i find your first statement very bazaar however each to their own i guess,
The 1980 and 1981 Mr Olympias were and always be surrounded in controversy however the 1980 O was ran and Promotered by Former Mr Australia Paul Graham and the 1981 Mr O Promoted By Arnold in both Mr Olympias Joe Weider Did Not Organize or Run ether contest and the first of Dorian's Questionable wins in 1994...are you Suggesting Joe "liked" Dorian in 1994....so he you are Mr Yates...heres your O???...this whole "liked you" statement really sounds Ridiculous in the Professional era simply because there are more than several People involved in the Organizing/Promoting/formatting etc etc of contests mostly from the Mid 1980s onwards, however again if that's your belief that unless Joe "likes you" you will never win the O kudos to you knock yourself out.
The IFBB were smart enough to Promote there guys starting (in a mainstream sense) with Arnold then Lou etc, however by the mid to late 1980s mostly due to Arnold s and Lou's exposure the "sport" was starting more or less to pay for its self RE: the IFBB actually starting to make real money...not the non placing BBers... the ifbb...so wether Joe blow and mickey mouse was "winning" the O IMO didnt make a Difference to the IFBB or Joe IMO this is not wrong that's called Business nothing personal, when you say (more or less) its "up to Joe" wether he likes you or not that's the reason for Yates "wins" that sounds a little "personal" to me and doesn't add up.
Great post exposing how little thought Hulkster puts into his statements which defy logic when dismantled
pumpster used to claim Dorian was handpicked by the Weiders to be Mr Olympia but somehow Ronnie wasn't. ??? the pasty British guy with a very unaesthetic physique appeals to who?
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Unbelievable ownage of Ray, Wheeler & Hulkster. LOL
there are more, ill be scanning tomorrow. hulkster on suicide watch again.
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Nice picture selection up there Hulkster ::)
yup. its from 1996, the year your fellow nuthuggers hyped up for 3 pages LOL
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human stupidity knows no bounds.. :-\
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did they really need to compare in the muscularity round? i mean really?
if they wanted to do their job and judge the contest properly, impartially and fairly - free of bias and preconcieved notions as it should be?
YES.
its truly amazing that you nuthuggers do not seem to understand how judging works, and that you don't seem to understand that what they did was by definition partial judging.
maybe you don't understand what bias is and how it would manifest itself in a judging system?
because this is about as clear of an example as you can possibly get..
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yup. its from 1996, the year your fellow nuthuggers hyped up for 3 pages LOL
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human stupidity knows no bounds.. :-\
Take off your blinders Hulkster and watch....Dorian dominated in 1996 despite what your carefully selected blurry black and white photo may show....
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also, for you people who don't have a clue what happened in the 93 Olympia (ie all of you), the judges were NOT going to call out dorian during the muscularity round.
but Wayne Demilia made the call knowing that the fans wanted to see dorian flex again.
read the flex review. its all there.
so the comparisons you see were not because of the judges call (they weren't going to do their job properly at all)
but rather for the fans.
hope this helps it up for all of you historically challenged nuthuggers LOL
wait - has there ever even been a guy who even knows their history?
none to date..
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Take off your blinders Hulkster and watch....Dorian dominated in 1996 despite what your carefully selected blurry black and white photo may show....
hey, so now not only muscletime posts carefully selected anti dorian pics, but so does bodybuilding.com?
this is a mass conspiracy!! LOL
the excuses are just hilarious. please keep them coming! ::)
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Excuses ??? I posted a video of the prejudging so that we could objectively view the contest; you posted the shittiest pic you could find of Dorian versus the best of Ronnie (nothing new there). At least try to be objective, dude.
Are you now kidding yourself into believing that Dorian's 93 win was part of some IFBB conspiracy....boy you keep sinking deeper and deeper. It's no wonder the other Ronnie fans have distanced themselves from you - surely you miss Pumpster.
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also, for you people who don't have a clue what happened in the 93 Olympia (ie all of you), the judges were NOT going to call out dorian during the muscularity round.
but Wayne Demilia made the call knowing that the fans wanted to see dorian flex again.
read the flex review. its all there.
so the comparisons you see were not because of the judges call (they weren't going to do their job properly at all)
but rather for the fans.
hope this helps it up for all of you historically challenged nuthuggers LOL
wait - has there ever even been a guy who even knows their history?
none to date..
The best part is you trying to discredit people with no evidence to corroborate your story, and by claiming people dont know there history when clearly ND is a walking encylopedia of BB... he has all these magazines you claim to quote from, and he scans images from them.. and corrects you when you try and reword quotes from people... therefore... it is clear YOU dont know your history... and your projecting your shotcomings on the people your arguing agaisnt.
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if they wanted to do their job and judge the contest properly, impartially and fairly - free of bias and preconcieved notions as it should be?
YES.
its truly amazing that you nuthuggers do not seem to understand how judging works, and that you don't seem to understand that what they did was by definition partial judging.
maybe you don't understand what bias is and how it would manifest itself in a judging system?
because this is about as clear of an example as you can possibly get..
They were biased towards a physique that best meets the criteria , you act like that's a bad thing. and idiot how can they have a preconceived notion of what Yates looked like in 1993?
They were biased & partial to the best physique and that's how judging works dummy.
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also, for you people who don't have a clue what happened in the 93 Olympia (ie all of you), the judges were NOT going to call out dorian during the muscularity round.
but Wayne Demilia made the call knowing that the fans wanted to see dorian flex again.
read the flex review. its all there.
so the comparisons you see were not because of the judges call (they weren't going to do their job properly at all)
but rather for the fans.
hope this helps it up for all of you historically challenged nuthuggers LOL
wait - has there ever even been a guy who even knows their history?
none to date..
Oh the review , the review ::) you're the idiot who dismissed the reviews as wrong but now you like them ::) the review said Ronnie wasn't as hard or as dry as he was in 98 compared to 99 but that review is wrong , hypocrite
Historically challenged? 2001 Ronnie dominated by losing the whole prejudging lmfao how about that review?
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Oh the review , the review ::) you're the idiot who dismissed the reviews as wrong but now you like them ::) the review said Ronnie wasn't as hard or as dry as he was in 98 compared to 99 but that review is wrong , hypocrite
Historically challenged? 2001 Ronnie dominated by losing the whole prejudging lmfao how about that review?
Great points ND. The only reviews credible to Hulkster are those that support his bias -- and he even has to stretch those out of context to prove his desperate points.
Remember, Hulkster claims to know Ronnie's best better than Ronnie himself....nuff said ;D
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The best part is you trying to discredit people with no evidence to corroborate your story, and by claiming people dont know there history when clearly ND is a walking encylopedia of BB... he has all these magazines you claim to quote from, and he scans images from them.. and corrects you when you try and reword quotes from people... therefore... it is clear YOU dont know your history... and your projecting your shotcomings on the people your arguing agaisnt.
Great post ! And he's a hypocrite when anyone says anything negative about Dorian it's LAW , it's proof , but when it's against Ronnie it's not factual
He's the same complete moron who never knew the IFBB judging criteria until I posted it , he was the same dummy who asked how can Dorian win the symmetry round with a torn bicep NOT knowing that both high & low scores are tossed out and that all rounds are physique rounds which means all the criteria is assessed at once not as separate individual entities , and you can still lose a couple of poses and still finish with straight firsts
he doesn't know how contests are judged or what to look for , hence why he comes to the stupid conclusions Ronnie's calves are more detailed than Dorians and Dorian's conditioning was nothing but a myth and Ronnie was more grainy than Dorian ever was and 1998 wasn't close and 1999 is Ronnie best showing despite Ronnie saying numerous times it wasn't
he contradicts the experts and the pros constantly when he said the 2002 SOS was fixed Bob Chick owned him he has a long history of being wrong .
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you're the idiot who dismissed the reviews as wrong
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LOL where the fuck are you getting this from?
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I dismiss Peter McGough as wrong because he was. He has said many stupid things regarding ronnie and dorian, you are the only one on this board that even listens to the guy.. ::)\
the rest of us know better.
where you get this idea that I dismiss contest reviews in general I don't know.
but I understand, you and your guy friends are being thoroughly embarassed in this thread, from the 1996 dorian shots that you hyped up and then posted (what a distaster that was lol) to the blatant lack of knowledge of contest history and events the list just continues.
so you are desperate and it shows badly.
this thread is the very definition of guy ownage by me.
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Great points ND. The only reviews credible to Hulkster are those that support his bias -- and he even has to stretch those out of context to prove his desperate points.
Remember, Hulkster claims to know Ronnie's best better than Ronnie himself....nuff said ;D
Yeah and his fans go to great lengths to interperate what he really meant ::) Ronnie said his best Olympia was 1998 because his conditioning was spot-on , Hulkster outright said he was wrong and a liar , he lied about being a cop and being injured hahahahahaha
Flex magazine is right when they say Ronnie has the best back but Flex magazine is wrong when they say Ronnie wasn't as conditioned in 99 ::) Flex magazine said Joel Stubbs has the best back they were wrong but now they're right
textbook weak logic called cherry-picking , counting the pluses while ignoring the minuses
He's a hypocrite and not a very bright one
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he has all these magazines you claim to quote from, and he scans images from them
and he avoids posting the quotes about dorian that are negative. and there are many at least in musclemag.
what a coward. and you support the guy LOL
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If I were you I would be embarassed to be on ND's side with the stuff he tries to pull..
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LOL where the fuck are you getting this from?
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I dismiss Peter McGough as wrong because he was. He has said many stupid things regarding ronnie and dorian, you are the only one on this board that even listens to the guy.. ::)\
the rest of us know better.
where you get this idea that I dismiss contest reviews in general I don't know.
but I understand, you and your guy friends are being thoroughly embarassed in this thread, from the 1996 dorian shots that you hyped up and then posted (what a distaster that was lol) to the blatant lack of knowledge of contest history and events the list just continues.
so you are desperate and it shows badly.
this thread is the very definition of guy ownage by me.
meltdown
You're the moron whose now reduced to some pathetic ass deflection of your own brutal ownage and claim we're getting owned ::)
Where are you? you're trolling on another Dorian Yates thread you lost the moment you first posted in here.
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Flex magazine is right when they say Ronnie has the best back but Flex magazine is wrong when they say Ronnie wasn't as conditioned in 99
yes, because Peter McGough didn't say ronnie had the best back. the fans did.
but Peter McGough said ronnie wasn't as well conditioned in 99 as 98 (something that ronnie had disagreed with in his victory seminar)
LOL that one backfired on you didn't it?
I say again: stop trying to argue with someone who is one step ahead.
you are embarassing youselves badly. this is just example #56574989859686
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yes, because Peter McGough didn't say ronnie had the best back. the fans did.
but Peter McGough said ronnie wasn't as well conditioned in 99 as 98 (something that ronnie had disagreed with in his victory seminar)
LOL that one backfired on you didn't it?
I say again: stop trying to argue with someone who is one step ahead.
you are embarassing youselves badly. this is just example #56574989859686
Oh Ronnie is right now? when he says Dorian had the thickest , freakiest back he ever seen he's wrong but now he's right ::) when Ronnie said he wouldn't beat Dorian he's a liar but now he's not ::) hypocrite
and what did Ronnie said multiple times at the end of his career? 1998 was his best Olympia because his conditioning was spot-on , that statement at the seminar has been amended stop using it
the experts all claim 2001 was the best Ronnie ever looked , you said they're all wrong
one thing is for certain you have a very long history of contradicting the professionals and history
What's embarrassing is you're in another Yates thread getting corrected
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and he avoids posting the quotes about dorian that are negative. and there are many at least in musclemag.
what a coward. and you support the guy LOL
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If I were you I would be embarassed to be on ND's side with the stuff he tries to pull..
I don't care what Musclemag says they're NOT IFBB judges they could say Dorian should have lost who cares? I don't fear subjective opinions
Muscletime says Dorian should have lost in 1992 who cares? they're not IFBB judges
the judges have the final say
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A Hulkster argument
Ignorance
Bias
Ad populum pleas
Ad Hominem attacks
Cherry picking
Lies
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I don't care what Musclemag says
you don't care about any quote that doesn't fit your agenda, and there are hundreds of them.
typical flowerboy ND. sweeps all contradictory info/pics/vids under the carpet like someone who truly knows they are losing but can't come to terms with it...
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that statement at the seminar has been amended stop using it
you just hate it when I use your own quotes game against you don't you?
LOL loser.
what a whiny little bitch you are.
"oh please hulkster stop using that quote please I beg you!" LOL
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and he avoids posting the quotes about dorian that are negative. and there are many at least in musclemag.
what a coward. and you support the guy LOL
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If I were you I would be embarassed to be on ND's side with the stuff he tries to pull..
Pot meet kettle.
He doesnt have to post negative things.. thats your job. Like youd EVER admit Ronnie had ANY weak point. ::)
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you just hate it when I use your own quotes game against you don't you?
LOL loser.
what a whiny little bitch you are.
"oh please hulkster stop using that quote please I beg you!" LOL
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You are such a fucking MORON!
Ronnie at the end of his career, looked back and said... yeah... 98 was the best conditioning.
That statement occured AFTER the 99 victory speech when he was excited he won and he wasnt thinking of the previous year at all!
That means the previous statement is null and void. You are a fucking moron, plain and simple.
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Is this what you tools have been reduced to?
LITERALLY a he said/she said argument?
Geezus give it up already LOL
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Is this what you tools have been reduced to?
LITERALLY a he said/she said argument?
Geezus give it up already LOL
Lol. Touche.
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you just hate it when I use your own quotes game against you don't you?
LOL loser.
what a whiny little bitch you are.
"oh please hulkster stop using that quote please I beg you!" LOL
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You didn't use my own quote against me dummy , again he may have said that in 1999 and has said on two occasions past that 1998 was better specifically because of his conditioning , you need to cling to anything because you're taken a vicious beaten in this thread
keep using it I will continue to post the amended quote and make you look moronic as usual ;)
Ronnie what was your best Olympia?
RC : I would have to say my first because my conditioning was spot-on.
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you don't care about any quote that doesn't fit your agenda, and there are hundreds of them.
typical flowerboy ND. sweeps all contradictory info/pics/vids under the carpet like someone who truly knows they are losing but can't come to terms with it...
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Oh really ? who posted the quote saying the best physique he's seen ( on stage ) was Ronnie 2001? I did ;)
I don't fear subjective opinions YOU do which is exactly why you called Ronnie a liar when he said Dorian would beat him , ' he lies all the time , he lied about being a cop , he liked about injuries so that means he's lying when he says Dorian is better '
hahahahaha stop projecting your weak points of view on me ;)
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Is this what you tools have been reduced to?
LITERALLY a he said/she said argument?
Geezus give it up already LOL
No this has been reduced to Hulkster trolling in another Dorian Yates thread and getting his ass kicked
Some posted " A cool Dorian video " absolutely NOTHING to do with Hulkster or Ronnie Coleman , but hey trolls will be trolls.
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There is always one troll that screws up a thread for everyone else. This thread was about an interesting Dorian video which had NOTHING to do with Ronnie. I'm starting to realise that Hulkster has been doing the same shit in every thread that just mentions Dorian's name. I'm pretty sure he is not being put in Time Out for the sole purpose of not wanting to take away Getbig's punch bag. It must be because RONNIE himself ended the argument by agreeing Dorian is better. What's left to gain for Hulkster? Nothing. He just trolls and get bitch slapped every day. The kid must be addicted to pain.
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yup. its from 1996, the year your fellow nuthuggers hyped up for 3 pages LOL
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human stupidity knows no bounds.. :-\
what the fuck? i mean really i posted pics of the 96 german gran prix and you can plainly see the domination and seriously, Yates was that far ahead that it didnt matter if he was compared in the muscularity round. if they did it with ronnie you wouldnt care. get over it you are/ have been and always will be..... owned.
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On the previous page Delta posted pics from the 93 Olympia to prove to Hulkster that comparisons were made in the muscularity round,Hulkster then said the pics were from the 96 Olympia.He then brags about the fact he`s the only one who knows his history of the sport.So if he`s such an expert on the histroy how come he doesn`t know that Labrada and Baccianini competed in the 93 Olympia but not the 96 one.There they are in Deltas pics,plain to see.
Also Hulkster,if you don`t believe they were compared against each other you obviously have never seen the 93 Olympia video,were there is footage at the end of the tape of the pre-judging.Some people like me and ND have got the mags from 20-30 years ago and all the videos from the 82 Olympia onwards,we don`t just rely on a few pics off the net or youtube to use as "proof".
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owned again hulkster. when i get back from lunch ill be scanning some more from 93.
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On the previous page Delta posted pics from the 93 Olympia to prove to Hulkster that comparisons were made in the muscularity round,Hulkster then said the pics were from the 96 Olympia.He then brags about the fact he`s the only one who knows his history of the sport.So if he`s such an expert on the histroy how come he doesn`t know that Labrada and Baccianini competed in the 93 Olympia but not the 96 one.There they are in Deltas pics,plain to see.
Also Hulkster,if you don`t believe they were compared against each other you obviously have never seen the 93 Olympia video,were there is footage at the end of the tape of the pre-judging.Some people like me and ND have got the mags from 20-30 years ago and all the videos from the 82 Olympia onwards,we don`t just rely on a few pics off the net or youtube to use as "proof".
LOL you completely missed the point ::). they were compared. but not because the judges asked for it.
they were prepared to score him without even seeing him in the mandatories next to flex shawn et al..
Wayne made the call for the fans as he knew they wanted to see dorian flex again. it is very specific about this in Flex magazine.
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LOL you completely missed the point ::). they were compared. but not because the judges asked for it.
they were prepared to score him without even seeing him in the mandatories next to flex shawn et al..
As usual you missed the point , the judges did in fact judge his muscularity directly against his competition it was so outstanding they concluded in the it was redundant to include him in that round , they just did in the symmetry round instead.
And FYI Mr BB History they also directly compared them in the mandatories in the posedown at the night show ;) if you knew anything about competitive bodybuilding you would know this ;D
but as usual it's me explaining to YOU how contests are conducted.
Thanks for playing.
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the judges did in fact judge his muscularity directly against his competition it was so outstanding they concluded in the it was redundant to include him in this round
LOL so you are saying that they can judge how dorian looks in all the mandatories simply by seeing him relaxed?
well, yes they can, but only if they have bias and already know dorian is going to be crowned the winner no matter what he looked like relative to his competition in those madatory poses.. ::)
that would never happen with competent judges free of bias.. ::)
if they were competent and impartial, they would have asked dorian to pose in the muscularity round next to shawn flex etc. and THEN scored him based on what they saw.
you know, how impartial judging works.. ::)
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LOL so you are saying that they can judge how dorian looks in all the mandatories simply by seeing him relaxed?
well, yes they can, but only if they have bias and already know dorian is going to be crowned the winner no matter what he looked like relative to his competition in those madatory poses.. ::)
that would never happen with competent judges free of bias.. ::)
dude what the fuck? seriously. you didnt see the comparison pics i posted? back double bi and others are there.
open your eyes mang!
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LOL so you are saying that they can judge how dorian looks in all the mandatories simply by seeing him relaxed?
well, yes they can, but only if they have bias and already know dorian is going to be crowned the winner no matter what he looked like relative to his competition in those madatory poses.. ::)
that would never happen with competent judges free of bias.. ::)
What I am saying is the judges directly judged his muscularity compared to his competition which you ignorantly keep insisting they did not do
They do have a bias for bodybuilders who meet the criteria you keep typing like this is a bad thing
You don't know how contests are judged and I will continue to expose you for this ;)
there were two more rounds , one in which Dorian's mandatories were directly compared to his competition
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are these or are they not DIRECT comparisons?
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dude what the fuck? seriously. you didnt see the comparison pics i posted? back double bi and others are there.
open your eyes mang!
LOL you are not understanding what happened either LOL
lets go over this one more time for those that are a little slow lol:
the judges were not going to call dorian out for the mandatory comparisons.
but wayne demilia interjected and made the call for the fans only.
the comparsions you see were not called for by the judges.
they were prepared to score him without seeing him in the comparisons, hence the partial and biased judging.
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The judges compared his muscularity directly compared to his competition and came to the conclusion they've seen enough no need to be in the next round
most dominant win in IFBB history
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LOL you are not understanding what happened either LOL
lets go over this one more time for those that are a little slow lol:
the judges were not going to call dorian out for the mandatory comparisons.
but wayne demilia interjected and made the call for the fans only.
the comparsions you see were not called for by the judges.
they were prepared to score him without seeing him in the comparisons, hence the partial and biased judging.
You're the slow one , they did see him in comparisons stop typing the contrary see above , and the night show
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i re-screen capped these as rocketswitch educated me about the 16:9 vs. 4:3 so i did them in 4:3.
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1996 german gp
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1996 german gp
Even in 4:3 those shots simply blow any version of Coleman right out of the water.
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uh no: this crushes him:
not sure why you all are so enthralled with 96 dorian. his arms and quads were even worse than normal that year..
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uh no: this crushes him:
not sure why you all are so enthralled with 96 dorian. his arms and quads were even worse than normal that year..
Probably the best front latspread I've seen Ronnie in however still not in Dorian's league
Flex Magazine June 2002
The lat spread that stunned and revolutionized the bodybuilding world. It is jumbo-jet wide with giant slabs of rock-hard muscle knitted together with gnarly detail. Even in this front shot, you can see the immensity of the billowing lats -- particularly the one on the right, which, amazingly, casts a terrifying shadow.
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In a video from BSN "Lost footage" Ronnie says that Lee Haney is the greatest bodybuilder that ever lived (I too think Lee was the best Mr O". He also says the reason for this is he had many guys challenge him for the title because there were so many greats competing where as he only had 1 or 2 challenge him during his reign. So basically Ronnie had FAR less competition during his 8 wins. Words spoked by Ronnie himself.
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This shot is just insane...Dorian is so much thicker than everyone else
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=313977.0;attach=355857;image)
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most dominant win in IFBB history
not even close. Sergio Oliva's uncontested Olympia win and Ronnie's 01 ASC were more dominant in IFBB history.
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Even in 4:3 those shots simply blow any version of Coleman right out of the water.
LOL, no
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=313977.0;attach=355862;image)
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Was Dorian's 93 win more dominant than his 95? What about Ronnie's 03 Mr. O win? While not his best conditioning, he absolutely dominated the 03 lineup.
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not even close. Sergio Oliva's uncontested Olympia win and Ronnie's 01 ASC were more dominant in IFBB history.
Hahahahahaha sure beating nobody is dominating ::) oxymoron and now you're trying 2001 ASC huh? before it was 2003 Olympia nice blanket statement BTW how did you come to this conclusion? who did he dominate? Cormier and James? ::) I mean seriously
At 2 p.m. on 11 September 1993 he walked out onstage at the Civic Auditorium in Atlanta, Georgia. He weighed 257 lb. His skin looked as if it had been painted directly on to his muscle. He was stone hard and grainy. Every detail of every body part punched out into the first ten rows. No man had ever looked quite like Dorian Yates looked that day: he looked big. He looked bad He looked sick. There was no Mr. Olympia contest. The judges saw no need to call him out for comparisons during the muscularity round.
' I knew then, ' he would say, ten years later, ' that I was either first or last. And I wasn't fucking last. '
Eventually Wayne Demilia asked him to step forward between Shawn Ray and Flex Wheeler, just the audience could marvel at him some more. Samir Bannout looked at the three of them and said ' Dorian is first, second and third. '
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not even close. Sergio Oliva's uncontested Olympia win and Ronnie's 01 ASC were more dominant in IFBB history.
lol @ your Avatar ;D
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Probably the best front latspread I've seen Ronnie in however still not in Dorian's league
Flex Magazine June 2002
The lat spread that stunned and revolutionized the bodybuilding world. It is jumbo-jet wide with giant slabs of rock-hard muscle knitted together with gnarly detail. Even in this front shot, you can see the immensity of the billowing lats -- particularly the one on the right, which, amazingly, casts a terrifying shadow.
That shot right there, right THERE destroys anything Ronnie ever put forward. Hulkster must be blind.
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The debate about who had the better back between Ronnie and yates can go on forever but if you're talkin' FLS, only a biased idiot like Hulkster would think Ronnie beats Dorian.
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Apples and Oranges....Dorian is a little harder....Ronnie is a little bigger and rounder. Both were great....number 1 and 1A, virtually interchangeable.
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Apples and Oranges....Dorian is a little harder....Ronnie is a little bigger and rounder. Both were great....number 1 and 1A, virtually interchangeable.
there is truth in this. good point groink.
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shredded
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day'um
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frickin' hell
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whooosh
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bam!!!
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boooom as dave would say ;D
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tissue paper skin, damnit
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whammo
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nasty transition
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Absolutely amazing pics of Dorian there Delta, thanks for posting! Eat your heart out Hulkster ;D
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ive seen Yates live a few times and this 1996 german gp condition is probably the best Yates ever.
super shredded and a little bigger and fuller than 1995 (i was at that one). look at the quads!
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I wish I had seen Dorian in person. I attended the Mr.O from 02-06 and saw Ronnie, however. He was unimpressive in 02, but looked great in 03 and 04. In 05 and 06 Ronnie's left side was noticably smaller.
I agree that 96 was a great year for Dorian. His conditioning was spot on and he was huge -- not sure what happened to him in 97, although I still think he deserved the win.
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he had injuries pre 97, had dieted hard and was in condition (more than good enough to win). funny thing is no one was complaining for mentioned his left triceps problem before, during or after the show.
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he had injuries pre 97, had dieted hard and was in condition (more than good enough to win). funny thing is no one was complaining for mentioned his left triceps problem before, during or after the show.
Great pic there...look at his arms--so much for twigs on a barrel ::) Dorian's waist was extremely streamlined in 96, perhaps more than ever. His waist seemed to be the biggest difference between 96/97. I agree, his conditioning was still awesome in 97.
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Absolutely amazing pics of Dorian there Delta, thanks for posting! Eat your heart out Hulkster ;D
nonsense.
look how much better ronnie is: way better shape, more cuts, same size = game over for the shadow.
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LOL its funny how you guys insist that someone with arms and quads that bad relative to Ronnie even stands a chance, especially given how ronnie also happens to have a better back, chest, hams etc.
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LOL its funny how you guys insist that someone with arms and quads that bad relative to Ronnie even stands a chance, especially given how ronnie also happens to have a better back, chest, hams etc.
Arms do not a physique make. Quads.. bigger true. unfortunatley they dwarf his calves fucking his legs up. Thanks for playing.
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ronnie's quads were not only bigger, they were much more cut.
dorian's quads were not one of his strongest areas. hell not too long ago someone even started a thread in order to praise their shittyness LOL :P
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ronnie's quads were not only bigger, they were much more cut.
dorian's quads were not one of his strongest areas. hell not too long ago someone even started a thread in order to praise their shittyness LOL :P
Well Dorians legs don`t look too bad in comparison to the guy on the left hand side of the pic.Wonder what his name is.? ;D
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well, they sure look bad when the guy on the left grew some legs:
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well, they sure look bad when the guy on the left grew some legs:
;)
Is ND working today?
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More owning of Coleman on the way:
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More owning of Coleman on the way:
That back double biceps shot is just outstanding
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That back double biceps shot is just outstanding
No it isn't, this back double biceps shot is the best ever.
I just thought I would post Hulkster's reply to save him time later. ;D
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=313977.0;attach=355582;image)
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No it isn't, this back double biceps shot is the best ever.
I just thought I would post Hulkster's reply to save him time later. ;D
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=313977.0;attach=355582;image)
Dorian's BDB kills Ronnie
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=313977.0;attach=355935;image)
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Dorian's BDB kills Ronnie
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=313977.0;attach=355935;image)
We all know the truth but let's wait and see what Hulkster has to say since whatever he says goes around here. He is the best person on getbig when it comes to judging physiques in a professional manner.
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Dorian's BDB kills Ronnie
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=313977.0;attach=355935;image)
Dorians physique looks like everything is in almost perfect balance here, other bodybuilders of this size tend to look "freaky" but unnatural.
Dorian here looks like a how a normal human being should look, just bigger and ripped. An anatomy chart.
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dorian's back looks very good in those shots.
very detailed.
but as always, sorely lacking Ronnie's thickness.
his back in those shots is like Flex's : super detail, but thin and shallow looking.
ronnie's back is much more impressive. has great detail, but also great thickness.
especially in the lats. look at the comparison that rocketbitch posted. ronnie's lats are so much thicker than dorian's paper thin looking lats its not even funny. and dorian's poor arms really hurt him in the post against Ronnie.
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Is ND working today?
there is probably a sale at the flowershop. thats why he is not on here.
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not sure why you are trying to highlight detail that dorian doesn't have by darkening the pics so much to increase contrast.
it doesn't help: he still gets blown off the stage:
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not sure why you are trying to highlight detail that dorian doesn't have by darkening the pics so much to increase contrast.
it doesn't help: he still gets blown off the stage:
The pics happen to be screen caps taken directly from the Blood & Guts Ultimate Edition bonus DVD. They are completely untouched and anyone who has seen the DVD will be able to confirm that. To tell you the truth no one really cares what you think. Everyone on here knows that you are the biggest guy of ebony bodybuilers in the history of Getbig. 'Nuff said.
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The pics happen to be screen caps taken directly from the Blood & Guts Ultimate Edition bonus DVD. They are completely untouched and anyone who has seen the DVD will be able to confirm that. To tell you the truth no one really cares what you think. Everyone on here knows that you are the biggest guy of ebony bodybuilers in the history of Getbig. 'Nuff said.
confirmed. for some reason it is dark.
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LOL funny how the nuthuggers have been whining for two years about the untouched Ronnie 99 stuff, and then they post this darkened crap, and it still gets blown off the stage LOL
even their doctored shots don't cut it LMAO.
thats just how much better ronnie was at his peak..
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LOL funny how the nuthuggers have been whining for two years about the untouched Ronnie 99 stuff, and then they post this darkened crap, and it still gets blown off the stage LOL
even their doctored shots don't cut it LMAO.
thats just how much better ronnie was at his peak..
The difference is dummy bizzy's pics weren't just dark they were also SHARPENED ;) big difference
I have the the 99 Olympia on video and the version I have is dark but not sharpened
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The difference is dummy bizzy's pics weren't just dark they were also SHARPENED ;) big difference
I have the the 99 Olympia on video and the version I have is dark but not sharpened
Post it up ND
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The difference is dummy bizzy's pics weren't just dark they were also SHARPENED big difference
nope, sorry ND. I know you cling to that belief but you are wrong.
eg. original screencap from ForcedReps (VHS source I believe) compared to Bizzy (from DVD)
no sharpening at all:
ND's bullshit exposed for the 4 billionth time.. ::)
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notice, slight colour difference, no sharpening or enhancing of any kind.
physiques look identical striation for striation and vein for vein.
ND = embarassed, bitter loser.
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Hulkster went away to Mexico and still posted on GetBig? That's actually quite hilarious.
He also thinks he has a reputation to maintain on a forum such as this? Now that is rather sad.
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Hulkster went away to Mexico and still posted on GetBig? That's actually quite hilarious
uh no. if you notice there is a week where I did not post. I was in Mexico.
ND was too stupid to realize I had left and came back already and resumed posting.
but I am not surprised, considering it is, after all, ND.. ::)
even simple everyday stuff like this goes right over this guy's head..duh. :-\
but that is typical of the dorian guy fanbase :P lol
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Shall I bring up the posts from when you were? ;) I can do it if you like?
please do.
I would love to see how I posted for 7 days while I had no access to a fucking computer.. ::)
you will see that I was in cozumel by dec. 24th and I got back on dec. 31st.
you will find no posts from me during this time.
but ND claims there was because he must be on crack.
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please do.
I would love to see how I posted for 7 days while I had no access to a fucking computer.. ::)
you will see that I was in cozumel by dec. 24th and I got back on dec. 31st.
you will find no posts from me during this time.
but ND claims there was because he must be on crack.
Interesting that you feel the need to justify yourself. Oh sorry, you have a "reputation" to maintain. Too much!
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no, I feel the need to expose ND's usual stupidity in this case, thats all.
I don't let him get away with posting bullshit, and this is just one more example in a list that is longer than the truce thread itself.
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The pics happen to be screen caps taken directly from the Blood & Guts Ultimate Edition bonus DVD. They are completely untouched and anyone who has seen the DVD will be able to confirm that. To tell you the truth no one really cares what you think. Everyone on here knows that you are the biggest guy of ebony bodybuilers in the history of Getbig. 'Nuff said.
Damn I'm alittle embarrassed for Ronnie :-X
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Ronnie did have a extraordinary Most Muscular in 1998 and 1999 ether version very full, ripped, etc...id give him that one out right over Yates the other mandatory's are always up for debate.
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nope, sorry ND. I know you cling to that belief but you are wrong.
eg. original screencap from ForcedReps (VHS source I believe) compared to Bizzy (from DVD)
no sharpening at all:
ND's bullshit exposed for the 4 billionth time.. ::)
Those are not the pics I'm talking about and you know it once again Mr Stupid trying to prove a point no one is arguing , the pic I'm talking about is the one Kevin Horton shamed you into not posting again when he outright exposed you for using sharpened pics
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notice, slight colour difference, no sharpening or enhancing of any kind.
physiques look identical striation for striation and vein for vein.
ND = embarassed, bitter loser.
More pathetic logic from Hulkster , let me explain to you stupid what you just did you set up a stawman , you created an illusion of refuting my point by posting two screencaps NO ONE is claiming is sharpened ;D
You set yourself up for failure all the time , as the above post mentioned no one is claiming either of those pics you posted are the enhanced ones , the one that is you don't dare post because Kevin Horton exposed you for another misrepresentation trying to pass off sharpened pics of Ronnie as an accurate portrayal of how he looked , you have a long history of false arguments and misrepresentation
The case on sharpened pics has been closed for a very long time now especially considering the creator of your screencaps admitted he sharpened pics and after Kevin Horton busted you both ;)
Here is Kevin once again proving you used manipulated images ;)
you said something about a bitter loser
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please do.
I would love to see how I posted for 7 days while I had no access to a fucking computer.. ::)
you will see that I was in cozumel by dec. 24th and I got back on dec. 31st.
you will find no posts from me during this time.
but ND claims there was because he must be on crack.
See now you're looking really stupid because my post was on 1-10 and now you're just responding to it on the 22nd ;) what's the matter I wasn't wrong then but am now? now you have a need to claim I'm wrong but when I told you before mums the word ;D
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Interesting that you feel the need to justify yourself. Oh sorry, you have a "reputation" to maintain. Too much!
he has a reputation alright of being wrong and a troll ;D
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no, I feel the need to expose ND's usual stupidity in this case, thats all.
I don't let him get away with posting bullshit, and this is just one more example in a list that is longer than the truce thread itself.
Oppppssssss someone looks real stupid right now ;) notice I never once said you were smart in fact I've been exposing how stupid you are for years now ;)
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Interesting that you feel the need to justify yourself. Oh sorry, you have a "reputation" to maintain. Too much!
Great point , he always has a need to justify himself which is exactly why he's in yet another Dorian Yates thread trying to prove a negative and really trying extra hard trying to prove me wrong when he knows I'm right
I made him look so stupid on so many occasions he's constantly trying to get me back , I don't blame him for trying I mean after all I made him look like a fucking idiot on so many occasions but hey if he wants to troll I'll rub his face in his own poop ;D
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Lol, I started this thread because I came across a Dorian video that I had never seen before. Naturally, Hulkster's insecurity and Dorian hate obsession (for what ever reason it exists ???) got the best of him (as always). The best part is that his usual desperate attempts to discredit Dorian completely backfire and he gets repeatedly owned by people much more knowledgeable.
Hulkster, give it up and go find something else to do with your time. The saddest part is you spend more of your time trying to bash Dorian than you do worshipping Ronnie....and that's saying something.
:-*
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Lol, I started this thread because I came across a Dorian video that I had never seen before. Naturally, Hulkster's insecurity and Dorian hate obsession (for what ever reason it exists ???) got the best of him (as always). The best part is that his usual desperate attempts to discredit Dorian completely backfire and he gets repeatedly owned by people much more knowledgeable.
Hulkster, give it up and go find something else to do with your time. The saddest part is you spend more of your time trying to bash Dorian than you do worshipping Ronnie....and that's saying something.
:-*
Great post
The kid's bullshit is old already
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Lol, I started this thread because I came across a Dorian video that I had never seen before. Naturally, Hulkster's insecurity and Dorian hate obsession (for what ever reason it exists ???) got the best of him (as always). The best part is that his usual desperate attempts to discredit Dorian completely backfire and he gets repeatedly owned by people much more knowledgeable.
Hulkster, give it up and go find something else to do with your time. The saddest part is you spend more of your time trying to bash Dorian than you do worshipping Ronnie....and that's saying something.
:-*
I dont Ronnie ever beat Dorian did he?
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Nobody ever beat Dorian after 1992 did they?
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Nobody ever beat Dorian after 1992 did they?
nope
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nope
Why does Hulkster never get this?
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Because he's Hulkster and he understands nothing logically.
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what does nobody beating dorian after 92 have anything to do with him beating a post Mr. O win Ronnie logically?
nothing.
its a fallacy. and one that any intelligent person would realize instantly.
ronnie in his 98/99 shape was so far ahead of his mid 90's shape that got beat by everyone, its like night and day.
hell, his 99 shape was leaps and bounds above his 97 shape.
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what does nobody beating dorian after 92 have anything to do with him beating a post Mr. O win Ronnie logically?
nothing.
its a fallacy. and one that any intelligent person would realize instantly.
ronnie in his 98/99 shape was so far ahead of his mid 90's shape that got beat by everyone, its like night and day.
hell, his 99 shape was leaps and bounds above his 97 shape.
looks like Milos wins in that first pic, crushing ronnie
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oh, and the fact that no one beat dorian after 92 is funny because no one believes that he deserved all his wins anyway, except for ND and his couple of guy bitches.
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looks like Milos wins in that first pic, crushing ronnie
he crushed Ronnie before ronnie became Mr. O. thats how bad ronnie was back then.
he crushed dorian when he was Mr. O thats how bad dorian was while he was Mr. O LOL
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oh, and the fact that no one beat dorian after 92 is funny because no one believes that he deserved all his wins anyway, except for ND and his couple of guy bitches.
Your always making opinions up.
None of us think Dorian should have won all his olympia's
Hell even ND has been quoting saying he thought Nasser should have won 97, but he understood why the judges picked Dorian. ::)
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he crushed Ronnie before ronnie became Mr. O. thats how bad ronnie was back then.
he crushed dorian when he was Mr. O thats how bad dorian was while he was Mr. O LOL
Milo's looks very impressive there, on the other hand, Dorian's gut is looking like it is about to spill out over the first three rows of the audience.
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oh, and the fact that no one beat dorian after 92 is funny because no one believes that he deserved all his wins anyway, except for ND and his couple of guy bitches.
And the judges but who cares what they think? ::)
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Dorian at his worse trampled this version of Ronnie just imagine at his best what he would do ;D
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;D
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Dorian had a torn bicep/tricep and quads and just walked all over this ;D
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Dorian had a torn bicep/tricep and quads and just walked all over this ;D
You say this like it isn't a travesty...considering how great Ronnie looks in these shots.
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You say this like it isn't a travesty...considering how great Ronnie looks in these shots.
Proves my point ! every advantage these guys claim Ronnie would have over Dorian he has in these shots the fantastic arms , the detail , the taper , the x-frame , the quad sweep , everything and he was fucking 9th place this year ;D
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Proves my point ! every advantage these guys claim Ronnie would have over Dorian he has in these shots the fantastic arms , the detail , the taper , the x-frame , the quad sweep , everything and he was fucking 9th place this year ;D
Um... that doesn't mean that it was an accurate placing. I don't think he was ready for top honors yet...but he was quite overlooked during that year. I don't care how much he had going for him, a distended stomach, torn bicep, torn quad, etc, should sideline one from being the sports premier champion.
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what does nobody beating dorian after 92 have anything to do with him beating a post Mr. O win Ronnie logically?
nothing.
its a fallacy. and one that any intelligent person would realize instantly.
ronnie in his 98/99 shape was so far ahead of his mid 90's shape that got beat by everyone, its like night and day.
hell, his 99 shape was leaps and bounds above his 97 shape.
The answer is actually in your OWN question you have posted here....and that is it is a Fallacy and going by your own words logically...well Logically it never happened that is a fact and the Fallacy is your assumption that Ronnie @ his best would crush Dorian how do you know that with such conviction? because you said so or cause of the countless pictures, caps etc etc you have posted? that is not using much logic is it? look my pics are better than yours...
Im not sure why for so many years you have been trying to ram the "ronnie @ his best would beat" Dorian theme down peoples throats....The REALITY is and was Dorian Dominated his Generation (Ronnie included) and Ronnie was the best for his reign saying Ronnie "wasn't @ his best" when the 2 met isn't Yates fault is it? alot of your Posts on this topic are merely highly speculative assumptions of what WOULD of have been... not ACTUALLY what was.
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Um... that doesn't mean that it was an accurate placing. I don't think he was ready for top honors yet...but he was quite overlooked during that year. I don't care how much he had going for him, a distended stomach, torn bicep, torn quad, etc, should sideline one from being the sports premier champion.
Ronnie was placed so low because his conditioning sucked , he actually placed higher in 1996 at the Olympia
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The answer is actually in your OWN question you have posted here....and that is it is a Fallacy and going by your own words logically...well Logically it never happened that is a fact and the Fallacy is your assumption that Ronnie @ his best would crush Dorian how do you know that with such conviction? because you said so or cause of the countless pictures, caps etc etc you have posted? that is not using much logic is it? look my pics are better than yours...
Im not sure why for so many years you have been trying to ram the "ronnie @ his best would beat" Dorian theme down peoples throats....The REALITY is and was Dorian Dominated his Generation (Ronnie included) and Ronnie was the best for his reign saying Ronnie "wasn't @ his best" when the 2 met isn't Yates fault is it? alot of your Posts on this topic are merely highly speculative assumptions of what WOULD of have been... not ACTUALLY what was.
Great post !
It's funny because Ronnie and Dorian are close in age and Ronnie actually started lifting weights way earlier than Dorian yet he was never close when they competed
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Yip there Generation, competition, age etc etc or more or less the same, @ the end of the day you can and will only beat the best you have in front of you who ever you are @ that Time, that Moment, that is a fact....saying "well look he wasn't @ his best" @ that moment that was reality (key word being Reality) is Speculative @ best and not a Fact @ worst
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Yip there Generation, competition, age etc etc or more or less the same, @ the end of the day you can and will only beat the best you have in front of you who ever you are @ that Time, that Moment, that is a fact....saying "well look he wasn't @ his best" @ that moment that was reality (key word being Reality) is Speculative @ best and not a Fact @ worst
Exactly it's Dorian's fault Ronnie couldn't get his act together ::)
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Exactly it's Dorian's fault Ronnie couldn't get his act together ::)
didnt Ronnie say he could never beat dorian?
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didnt Ronnie say he could never beat dorian?
Stop trolling ;D
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Stop trolling ;D
trolling is fun ND
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trolling is fun ND
not for Hulkster he always gets a beating :-\
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not for Hulkster he always gets a beating :-\
;D
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Milo's looks very impressive there, on the other hand, Dorian's gut is looking like it is about to spill out over the first three rows of the audience.
and that it did: 1994 baby! :'(
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and that it did: 1994 baby! :'(
His gut isn't bad in 1994 seriously.... not as bad as Ronnie in 2001/2003/2004
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how do you know that with such conviction? because you said so or cause of the countless pictures, caps etc etc you have posted? that is not using much logic is it?
on the contrary.
since dorian and ronnie never stood beside one another at anything even close to there respective bests, comparing pics and videos is very logical, especially in a sport based on visual comparisons.
you just have to try and discredit them because they show dorian would lose.
its that simple.
its always been about discrediting the comparisons for the nuthuggers.
because dorian doesn't measure up to a peak ronnie.
he could only beat the ronnie that lost to guys with big name Mr. O physiques like.............. charles clairmonte and porter cottrell LOL..
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His gut isn't bad in 1994 seriously.... not as bad as Ronnie in 2001/2003/2004
1. it was not worse than ronnie 2001.
2. ronnie 2003/4 was 30+ pounds heavier so a bigger gut is to be expected, just as dorian's gut at 270 was massive:
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1. it was not worse than ronnie 2001.
2. ronnie 2003/4 was 30+ pounds heavier so a bigger gut is to be expected, just as dorian's gut at 270 was massive:
Ronnie's gut stuck out more at 247 pounds than Dorian's did at 270
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on the contrary.
since dorian and ronnie never stood beside one another at anything even close to there respective bests, comparing pics and videos is very logical, especially in a sport based on visual comparisons.
you just have to try and discredit them because they show dorian would lose.
its that simple.
its always been about discrediting the comparisons for the nuthuggers.
because dorian doesn't measure up to a peak ronnie.
he could only beat the ronnie that lost to guys with big name Mr. O physiques like.............. charles clairmonte and porter cottrell LOL..
Never even close to their respective bests? NOT true Ronnie's best admittedly Mr Olympia appearance was 1998 and Dorian competed with Ronnie in 1997 ;) that's very close to Ronnie's respective best
pictures & videos pale in comparison to actually being there ( old news )
in fact the pictures show Dorian would win like he always did and Ronnie confirms this
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NOT true Ronnie's best admittedly Mr Olympia appearance was 1998 and Dorian competed with Ronnie in 1997 that's very close to Ronnie's respective best
WTF? ::)
so, you are ignoring the physique and just looking at the timeline?
so, by your fucked up logic (as always ::)), the 2001 Olympia physique ronnie displayed was very close to his arguable all time best 2001 AC physique.. ::)
which of course it was not even close. just as 97 was not even close to his 98 olympia winning presentation
holy fuck man.. ::)
just when you think ND can't possibly be any more retarded, he surpises us all with yet another 'gem'
::)
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in fact the pictures show Dorian would win like he always did and Ronnie confirms this
ronnie also "confirms" he is still a cop..LOL
ND owned.
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WTF? ::)
so, you are ignoring the physique and just looking at the timeline?
so, by your fucked up logic (as always ::)), the 2001 Olympia physique ronnie displayed was very close to his arguable all time best 2001 AC physique.. ::)
which of course it was not even close. just as 97 was not even close to his 98 olympia winning presentation
holy fuck man.. ::)
just when you think ND can't possibly be any more retarded, he surpises us all with yet another 'gem'
::)
Oh so you finally admit 2001 was his best ;D who said old dogs can't learn new tricks
you made an empty claim that they never stood close anywhere near their respective bests 1997 and 1998 is close they in fact stood side-by-side many times but Ronnie was never close ;D
1997 he was 255 pounds little soft holding water 1998 he was bone dry and hard as nails at 249 pounds that's close to his best the ONLY thing different was his conditioning like it was in 1996 when he was sharper and placed 6th at the Olympia Oh and bitch tits :-X
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ronnie also "confirms" he is still a cop..LOL
ND owned.
Ronnie had a reason to lie about being a cop he has no reason to lie about Dorian beating him because Yates did it for years on end
Hulkster = owned ;)
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I hate you guys.
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I like your avatar.
ND doesn't though..
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Any chance we can merge this with the Truce thread.
Perhaps it can hit 2000 pages by June!
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on the contrary.
since dorian and ronnie never stood beside one another at anything even close to there respective bests, comparing pics and videos is very logical, especially in a sport based on visual comparisons.
you just have to try and discredit them because they show dorian would lose.
its that simple.
its always been about discrediting the comparisons for the nuthuggers.
because dorian doesn't measure up to a peak ronnie.
he could only beat the ronnie that lost to guys with big name Mr. O physiques like.............. charles clairmonte and porter cottrell LOL..
LOL 1997 Ronnie wasn't even in the running for the title....1 YES 1 year later he came into the Olympia Looking by his own (Ronnie's) admission his best shape and won it all.......so if 1 year is not close to his their respective bests (or in Dorian's case in 1997 his WORST) wheres your logic in what you have posted? ???
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what you don't seem to understand is that in that year he added some serious size to his quads/back and lost a hell of a lot of water to improve his conditioning significantly.
you don't seem to understand that just because the two contests were only a year apart does not mean that the phyisques ronnie displayed were that similar.
they were not. hence the reason he jumped from 9th to 1st.
its amazing what you guys will come up with to try and save dorian in the face of a peak Ronnie.. ::)
you make no sense.
it would be no different then arguing that 1994 dorian was close to his very best just because 1993 was the year before LOL
this is the sort of stupidity you guys display..and you don't seem to get how retarded and embarassing it is. LOL
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Any chance we can merge this with the Truce thread.
Perhaps it can hit 2000 pages by June!
the truce thread? oh yes, the thread that I embarassed ND so bad in he ran away like a pussy coward and won't go near it.
yes, I remember that..
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the truce thread? oh yes, the thread that I embarassed ND so bad in he ran away like a pussy coward and won't go near it.
yes, I remember that..
Is there any chance we can fly you out to ND, so you can have a stiff drink about this, and hopefully get to the bottom of the matter at hand.
Perhaps you can segue the conversation to the superior production aesthetics of 80's porn or something. :)
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check out the size difference in the quads from 97 to 98 :o
its crazy.
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Really Hulkster.. sad.. Theres little difference in the quads except conditioning.
Ronnie's legs are at different angles in the second pic. :-\
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Really Hulkster.. sad.. Theres little difference in the quads except conditioning.
Ronnie's legs are at different angles in the second pic. :-\
LMAO!
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I knew this pathetic bullshit was coming because the nuthuggers always deny the massive improvements ronnie made so as to make dorian look better, so I give you this to view LOL
97 to 98 quads: it isn't just the condioning buddy ::):
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LMAO!
::)
I knew this pathetic bullshit was coming because the nuthuggers always deny the massive improvements ronnie made so as to make dorian look better, so I give you this to view LOL
97 to 98 quads: it isn't just the condioning buddy ::):
Same shit dipshit. Just because you see stuff the way you want to see it, doesn't mean it's so. The pics are from different angles, you can tell from looking at the teardrops. I have no problem saying Ronnie made vast improvements from 97-98 - But, it was conditioning. He was roughly the same size you dipshit. You can clearly see the angle difference. The pic from 98 is CLEARLY a moreso straight on shot, with his toes pointing OUTWARDS, (as you so like to give Dorian shit for doing). You can see far mor of the inside of both of his legs, indicating a straight on shot. The 97 is slightly off to the side, you and see the inside of one leg and not the other. You are a fucking douche Hulkster.
BTW, you calling me a guy... pot, meet kettle, don't think youre aquainted. ::)
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Same shit dipshit. Just because you see stuff the way you want to see it, doesn't mean it's so. The pics are from different angles, you can tell from looking at the teardrops. I have no problem saying Ronnie made vast improvements from 97-98 - But, it was conditioning. He was roughly the same size you dipshit. You can clearly see the angle difference. The pic from 98 is CLEARLY a moreso straight on shot, with his toes pointing OUTWARDS, (as you so like to give Dorian shit for doing). You can see far mor of the inside of both of his legs, indicating a straight on shot. The 97 is slightly off to the side, you and see the inside of one leg and not the other. You are a fucking douche Hulkster.
BTW, you calling me a guy... pot, meet kettle, don't think youre aquainted. ::)
Great last sentence Shock...pot, meet kettle, don't think you're acquainted.... ;D
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Is there any chance we can fly you out to ND, so you can have a stiff drink about this, and hopefully get to the bottom of the matter at hand.
Perhaps you can segue the conversation to the superior production aesthetics of 80's porn or something. :)
LMAO ;D
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None of us think Dorian should have won all his olympia's
I do. I think Dorian deserved all his wins, 97 included.
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the truce thread? oh yes, the thread that I embarassed ND so bad in he ran away like a pussy coward and won't go near it.
yes, I remember that..
Hahahahaha the only thing you embarrassed is yourself with monumentally stupid comments like Dorian lost the 1993 Mr Olympia to Flex Wheeler , and Dorian is the most overrated bodybuilder of all time because he was so great , and this gem ....1994 Mr Olympia was very close and one of the most controversial Mr Olympias ever yet 2001 Mr Olympia wasn't controversial and Ronnie dominated by losing the whole prejudging ;D oh and what about this classic? Ronnie's calves in 1999 where more detailed than Dorian's and let's not forget this one Ronnie at the 1999 Mr Olympia easily surpassed Dorian in that grainy conditioning LMMFAO then there is the embarrassing moments where you were busted by Kevin Horton knowingly using oversharpened pictures :-X what's funny is Bizzy who made them ran in shame and left you to take the beating for them lol and then I busted you making quotes up ;D I mean I can continue if you'd like?
You live in this imaginary world where people are ' scared ' of you and ' run ' from you when nothing can be further than the truth , where are we? where are you? in yet another Dorian Yates thread getting bitch slapped by me and others , you think by continuing to post the same lies and ignorance over and over that over time it becomes truth it doesn't especially when I continue to expose you for what you are a bitter troll . You look like a complete moron when you type I run from you when everyone can see plain as day nothing can be further from the truth with the exception of your wacky ' opinions ' on competitive bodybuilding where are so far off the mark.
Keep proving me right troll , and Ronnie ended the truce thread when he conceded on multiple occasions he wouldn't beat Dorian ;)
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Is there any chance we can fly you out to ND, so you can have a stiff drink about this, and hopefully get to the bottom of the matter at hand.
Perhaps you can segue the conversation to the superior production aesthetics of 80's porn or something. :)
The matter at hand is me making Hulkster look like a complete moron which is why he follows me into every thread trying to equal the score , the matter at hand is Hulkster is flat-out wrong on everything he's so far off the mark with just about everything he's every committed to , the matter at hand is it absolutely kills him that Ronnie Coleman said he couldn't beat Dorian once he became Mr Olympia and he hates it because he's built Ronnie up to be invisible and he's not , he doesn't even think they should be mentioned in the same sentence .
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I know, I have met a top 15 Mr. O. pro at a seminar before and as you know, pics/vids do not do them justice.
I have a problem with you posting pics of Dorian to 'prove' you're right ... and then post these things. Going by your OWN WORDS Dorian must be better than you give him credit for.
Hulkster, January 23 at 5:59 PM
comparing pics and videos is very logical, especially in a sport based on visual comparisons.
No, it's not logical because as you admitted it doesn't do them justice. Your own words, not mine. Gotta keep track of those words kiddo. Contradicting yourself doesn't exactly make you come across very clever. More like a fan boy.
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I have a problem with you posting pics of Dorian to 'prove' you're right ... and then post these things. Going by your OWN WORDS Dorian must be better than you give him credit for.
Hulkster, January 23 at 5:59 PM
No, it's not logical because as you admitted it doesn't do them justice. Your own words, not mine. Gotta keep track of those words kiddo. Contradicting yourself doesn't exactly make you come across very clever. More like a fan boy.
Great post ! very easy to make Hulkster look stupid using his own words. ;D
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I do. I think Dorian deserved all his wins, 97 included.
Touche. ;D
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I do. I think Dorian deserved all his wins, 97 included.
watch the videos and see, he deserved all of his wins. even 97. hulkster just dont understand.
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I have a problem with you posting pics of Dorian to 'prove' you're right ... and then post these things. Going by your OWN WORDS Dorian must be better than you give him credit for.
Hulkster, January 23 at 5:59 PM
No, it's not logical because as you admitted it doesn't do them justice. Your own words, not mine. Gotta keep track of those words kiddo. Contradicting yourself doesn't exactly make you come across very clever. More like a fan boy.
there is alot of ownage in this post.
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Going by your OWN WORDS Dorian must be better than you give him credit for.
I am sure he is. but then so is ronnie.
so ronnie still wins.
<jesus people don't any of you have brains???>
simple logic..and it goes right over your heads.. :-\
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No, it's not logical because as you admitted it doesn't do them justice. Your own words, not mine. Gotta keep track of those words kiddo. Contradicting yourself doesn't exactly make you come across very clever. More like a fan boy.
LMAO honestly, your lack of intelligence amazes me.
pics don't do dorian justice.
fine.
but then pics don't do ronnie justice either.
ronnie looks better than dorian in pics and videos.
therefore,
ronnie still wins.
duh.
this is so fucking funny how dumb some of these nuthuggers are LOL
:P
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Is this thread still going? ???
Man, Hulkster give it up already. What are you trying to prove in here?
ND and others are making you look like a fool and are showing your lack of knowledge as far as bodybuilding is concerned.
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Is this thread still going? ???
Man, Hulkster give it up already. What are you trying to prove in here?
ND and others are making you look like a fool and are showing your lack of knowledge as far as bodybuilding is concerned.
Top had the best suggestion blend this in with the Truce Thread it could be huge 8) A Guiness world record.
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LMAO honestly, your lack of intelligence amazes me.
pics don't do dorian justice.
fine.
but then pics don't do ronnie justice either.
ronnie looks better than dorian in pics and videos.
therefore,
ronnie still wins.
duh.
this is so fucking funny how dumb some of these nuthuggers are LOL
:P
Because I can't speak to you slowly whilst wiping dribble from your chin, I feel I must at least type slowly on the off chance something might spark in your brain.
First of all, pictures and videos can be thrown out (which renders 100% of all your posts void) as it's an useless tool in a body-building debate. Add on top that you're posting worked pictures of Ronnie, post fake quotes and resort to outright lying (see ND post a few posts back on either this page of previous) and have Black Muffin admit that Dorian is better, you're coming across as desperate, revolting clueless and downright stupid. The cause is lost, either you enjoy trolling, or you're too stupefied to realise you've lost. I mean, judging by your posts dates and content, you've been trolling for FOUR years now. People have gotten degrees in less time you've been banging on one lost cause.
Now, I ask you again. Per your own words, if pictures and videos are in no way useful to judge physiques, and you've never laid eyes on either Ronnie or Dorian, what exactly are you going by? You cannot form an opinion of your own since you haven't got any material to work with. You're championing the P.O.V of others. Tell me, if Dorian had a sexy black ass too, would you perhaps have been more receptive to him? Also tell the board, in all seriousness. Is you attraction to Ronnie sexual?
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Because I can't speak to you slowly whilst wiping dribble from your chin, I feel I must at least type slowly on the off chance something might spark in your brain.
First of all, pictures and videos can be thrown out (which renders 100% of all your posts void) as it's an useless tool in a body-building debate. Add on top that you're posting worked pictures of Ronnie, post fake quotes and resort to outright lying (see ND post a few posts back on either this page of previous) and have Black Muffin admit that Dorian is better, you're coming across as desperate, revolting clueless and downright stupid. The cause is lost, either you enjoy trolling, or you're too stupefied to realise you've lost. I mean, judging by your posts dates and content, you've been trolling for FOUR years now. People have gotten degrees in less time you've been banging on one lost cause.
Now, I ask you again. Per your own words, if pictures and videos are in no way useful to judge physiques, and you've never laid eyes on either Ronnie or Dorian, what exactly are you going by? You cannot form an opinion of your own since you haven't got any material to work with. You're championing the P.O.V of others. Tell me, if Dorian had a sexy black ass too, would you perhaps have been more receptive to him? Also tell the board, in all seriousness. Is you attraction to Ronnie sexual?
Great post !
And ironic you bring up his attraction to Ronnie because others have asked too
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Because I can't speak to you slowly whilst wiping dribble from your chin, I feel I must at least type slowly on the off chance something might spark in your brain.
First of all, pictures and videos can be thrown out (which renders 100% of all your posts void) as it's an useless tool in a body-building debate. Add on top that you're posting worked pictures of Ronnie, post fake quotes and resort to outright lying (see ND post a few posts back on either this page of previous) and have Black Muffin admit that Dorian is better, you're coming across as desperate, revolting clueless and downright stupid. The cause is lost, either you enjoy trolling, or you're too stupefied to realise you've lost. I mean, judging by your posts dates and content, you've been trolling for FOUR years now. People have gotten degrees in less time you've been banging on one lost cause.
Now, I ask you again. Per your own words, if pictures and videos are in no way useful to judge physiques, and you've never laid eyes on either Ronnie or Dorian, what exactly are you going by? You cannot form an opinion of your own since you haven't got any material to work with. You're championing the P.O.V of others. Tell me, if Dorian had a sexy black ass too, would you perhaps have been more receptive to him? Also tell the board, in all seriousness. Is you attraction to Ronnie sexual?
;D
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I think it's a given that Hulkster's fascination with Ronnie goes well beyond respect here. The dude seriously has a mancrush on him.
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Per your own words, if pictures and videos are in no way useful to judge physiques,
my own words? ::)
show me where I ever said that ::). on the contrary they are the best tool we have to compare two bodybuilders given that they never stood beside one another on the same stage while both at their respective physical peaks.
read this last paragraph carefully so you understand.. ::)
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I mean, judging by your posts dates and content,
and judging by your posts and content you are not a newcomer like you tried to lie and say you were..
remember when I exposed your lies? LOL
:P
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I think it's a given that Hulkster's fascination with Ronnie goes well beyond respect here. The dude seriously has a mancrush on him.
:-X
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and judging by your posts and content you are not a newcomer like you tried to lie and say you were..
remember when I exposed your lies? LOL
:P
Remember when I suggested you're slightly brain dead and enjoy acting like you've won when you're cheeks are red with all the bitch slaps you've taken? Now are you sexually attracted to Ronnie or not? ;)
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I think it's a given that Hulkster's fascination with Ronnie goes well beyond respect here. The dude seriously has a mancrush on him.
Absolutely. It's perfectly fine for him to have a thing for black muscular asses, these things happen. Hulkster being gay is fine. It's another thing to troll for half a decade and taking kicks in the balls from people smarter than him on a daily basis. I think is has effected the kid's already diminishing intellect.
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Is you attraction to Ronnie sexual?
Hulkster's favourite posing routine of all time is Ronnie's from the 1994 Olympia.
He watches this clip in slow motion on a daily basis while he types his posts with one hand.
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Hulkster's fantasy lover could never compete with this:
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Because I can't speak to you slowly whilst wiping dribble from your chin, I feel I must at least type slowly on the off chance something might spark in your brain.
First of all, pictures and videos can be thrown out (which renders 100% of all your posts void) as it's an useless tool in a body-building debate. Add on top that you're posting worked pictures of Ronnie, post fake quotes and resort to outright lying (see ND post a few posts back on either this page of previous) and have Black Muffin admit that Dorian is better, you're coming across as desperate, revolting clueless and downright stupid. The cause is lost, either you enjoy trolling, or you're too stupefied to realise you've lost. I mean, judging by your posts dates and content, you've been trolling for FOUR years now. People have gotten degrees in less time you've been banging on one lost cause.
Now, I ask you again. Per your own words, if pictures and videos are in no way useful to judge physiques, and you've never laid eyes on either Ronnie or Dorian, what exactly are you going by? You cannot form an opinion of your own since you haven't got any material to work with. You're championing the P.O.V of others. Tell me, if Dorian had a sexy black ass too, would you perhaps have been more receptive to him? Also tell the board, in all seriousness. Is you attraction to Ronnie sexual?
Ouch.. thats gonna leave a mark.
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yes a mark of sheer stupidity...
leave it to the dorian nuthuggers to insist that their hero looks better in real life but that no one else, especially ronnie, does too.. ::)
I believe we touched in this in the truce thread, and it was called the 'photoelectric effect' in honour of einstein who won a nobel prize for its explanation.
but I doubt einstein would have ever thought that a theory that he helped make famous would be used to name a pathetic dorian guy excuse..LOL
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yes a mark of sheer stupidity...
leave it to the dorian nuthuggers to insist that their hero looks better in real life but that no one else, especially ronnie, does too.. ::)
I believe we touched in this in the truce thread, and it was called the 'photoelectric effect' in honour of einstein who won a nobel prize for its explanation.
but I doubt einstein would have ever thought that a theory that he helped make famous would be used to name a pathetic dorian guy excuse..LOL
What's funny is you can't post one single person saying so and I can post dozens ever wonder why that is? as usual you can't back up your claims typical Hulkster in fact ontop of not being able to back up your claims you always contradict the experts
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um. there are tons of posts on this board alone from people who have met ronnie and they all say he looks 10x freakier in real life than in photos.
the same can be said for just about any pro.
duh. ::)
what are you trying to prove by denying the obvious here? ::)
that pros look huge and freaky up close is nothing new..
but then again, you and your nuthuggers do seem to have a novice knowledge of the sport soo..
maybe you really are just that naive? I don't know.
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What's funny is you can't post one single person saying so and I can post dozens ever wonder why that is?
because you spend hours digging up quotes of people stating the bloody obvious?
::)
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um. there are tons of posts on this board alone from people who have met ronnie and they all say he looks 10x freakier in real life than in photos.
the same can be said for just about any pro.
duh. ::)
what are you trying to prove by denying the obvious here? ::)
that pros look huge and freaky up close is nothing new..
but then again, you and your nuthuggers do seem to have a novice knowledge of the sport soo..
maybe you really are just that naive? I don't know.
Experts , experts where is proof? and we're not talking about from a size prospective
I've posted dozens of quotes saying that Dorian specifically looks better live & person than he does in pictures & video you can't do the same
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because you spend hours digging up quotes of people stating the bloody obvious?
::)
It's not the obvious and so many have made this claim yet I've never seen that claim repeated so often compared to anyone else and it has to do with his conditioning which they often point out
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um. there are tons of posts on this board alone from people who have met ronnie and they all say he looks 10x freakier in real life than in photos.
the same can be said for just about any pro.
duh. ::)
what are you trying to prove by denying the obvious here? ::)
that pros look huge and freaky up close is nothing new..
but then again, you and your nuthuggers do seem to have a novice knowledge of the sport soo..
maybe you really are just that naive? I don't know.
No theres not. you just made that up.
Theres plenty of people saying he looks huge.. but no one saying that he has something Pics dont capture, like Multiple Eyewitness' say about Dorian.
Your a tool
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No theres not. you just made that up.
Theres plenty of people saying he looks huge.. but no one saying that he has something Pics dont capture, like Multiple Eyewitness' say about Dorian.
Your a tool
Typical Hulkster he can't post the truth so he makes it up ;) the kid's a liar and he knows it.
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yes a mark of sheer stupidity...
leave it to the dorian nuthuggers to insist that their hero looks better in real life but that no one else, especially ronnie, does too.. ::)
I believe we touched in this in the truce thread, and it was called the 'photoelectric effect' in honour of einstein who won a nobel prize for its explanation.
but I doubt einstein would have ever thought that a theory that he helped make famous would be used to name a pathetic dorian guy excuse..LOL
The only reason you really find it so hard to believe that there is something different about Dorian's musculature that pics don't capture, is because no one has said it about Ronnie.
You just can't handle the fact Dorian might have something your hero doesn't. More evidence of you idiocy.
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The only reason you really find it so hard to believe that there is something different about Dorian's musculature that pics don't capture, is because no one has said it about Ronnie.
You just can't handle the fact Dorian might have something your hero doesn't. More evidence of you idiocy.
Great post ! Hulkster does that often where he says ' all of us ' or ' plenty of ' a constant appeal to numbers as if that validates his case and his pleas are empty anyway he just makes the shit up
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Great post ! Hulkster does that often where he says ' all of us ' or ' plenty of ' a constant appeal to numbers as if that validates his case and his pleas are empty anyway he just makes the shit up
He has a legit mental disorder of some form,... he makes shit up and truly believes it in order to validate his opinion. It's rediculous.
Some day something is going to shatter his false reality and it's going to destroy him.
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He has a legit mental disorder of some form,... he makes shit up and truly believes it in order to validate his opinion. It's rediculous.
Some day something is going to shatter his false reality and it's going to destroy him.
Then when people call him on his stupidity it's then he claims " it's just to get a rise out of them " bullshit
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Then when people call him on his stupidity it's then he claims " it's just to get a rise out of them " bullshit
But he truly believe he is. He is in a rediculous amount of denial in general....
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yes a mark of sheer stupidity...
leave it to the dorian nuthuggers to insist that their hero looks better in real life but that no one else, especially ronnie, does too.. ::)
I believe we touched in this in the truce thread, and it was called the 'photoelectric effect' in honour of einstein who won a nobel prize for its explanation.
but I doubt einstein would have ever thought that a theory that he helped make famous would be used to name a pathetic dorian guy excuse..LOL
So do you dream of a sexual encounter with your Ronnie or not? Cmon we all know the answer but just want you to finally admit it and come out of the closet.
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I see the nuthuggers are having a circle jerk again.. :-X
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I see the nuthuggers are having a circle jerk again.. :-X
Stop projecting. We all know you dream of nothing more than a circle of black muffin BB's circle jerkin on your face, queerbait.
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I see the nuthuggers are having a circle jerk again.. :-X
Way to deflect from the question.
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do a google or yahoo search. you will find lots of first hand accounts of how much freakier ronnie is in person than in pics/vids.
duh.
the nuthuggers are such a delusional bunch.. ::)
they think that the "photoelectric effect" LOL is real and only applies to their man crush haha ::)
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LOL, nice gay look on Coleman's face for Hulkster here:
(http://www.alta-testosterona.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/ronnie-coleman-246x300.jpg)
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do a google or yahoo search. you will find lots of first hand accounts of how much freakier ronnie is in person than in pics/vids.
duh.
the nuthuggers are such a delusional bunch.. ::)
they think that the "photoelectric effect" LOL is real and only applies to their man crush haha ::)
You can't post one single quote verifying your claim
Dorian Yates interview bodybuilding.com 2008
Everyone who sees my physique in person always comments on how much better I look in person than in pictures. That's because my physique is thick and developed from all angles. From the front, from the back, from the side, standing on my head: it doesn't matter. Everywhere is fully developed from every angle. And this might not show in one-dimensional photos. When you turn somebody to the side and they are twice as thick as everyone else, then that shows up.
JohnnyTosh GetBig 12-20-07
Hulkster, I have one question for you? .... Were you there in Long Beach in 97? Because I was. AND I was there in 93 & 95 in Atlanta & 96 in Chicago. It's been said a million times. Yates has a Thickness & density from every angle that had to be seen in person, and that NOBODY else had.
I think Milos is awesome. I would LOVE to have his body, but Yates smoked everybody in the totality of ALL poses. From the side & from the back, yates crushed everybody.
Unless you were there, you cannot really say accurately. BTW, Demilia gave me tickets right behind the judges every year.
Not flaming, but Yates reigned supreme.. YES. HIS GUT was sticking out in 97 & Nasser looked as good, or maybe a hair better from the front in 97, but when they turned to the side & rear, DORIAN ruled again.
While I’m on record as saying that the best physique I ever saw was Ronnie’s at the 2001 Arnold, he was never drier or harder than Dorian. In fact now that – 14 years after it happened – I recently for the first time saw the video of Dorian posing before the 1993 Olympia I have cause to rethink. I’m now not sure that Ronnie at 245 pounds would beat Dorian at 269 pounds. At a bigger bodyweight I think Ronnie would look soft next to an in-shape rock-hard Dorian.
On the subject of conditioning, no-one did it better than Dorian. He achieved a hardness and dryness (without losing fullness) that nobody has ever matched. In the flesh he looked even harder than he did in photos. It was like a statue made of granite was standing in front of you.
MuscleMag International Feb 1994 on Dorian Yates at the 1993 Mr Olympia
" He's huge , absolutely HUGE ...he's ripped completely RIPPED. And while he's not in possession of the prettiest physique body by a long shot , he's equipped with all the bodyparts you need to win .
Combine this with the fact that he's 10 TIMES more impressive when you see him onstage at the Olympia than he is in pictures or on videos and you got yourself a winner.
" Chris Cormier standing next to Dorian onstage he sensed ' radiation coming off him , like an aura. ' The power of that muscle was tangible. It exerted a force all of its own. Cormier thought ' I might as well forget about this guy and concentrate on being second. ' There was something else , too , strange. You had to witness him in the flesh. such granite hradness had a property that could nor be held on film or caught on paper. You had to see it live.
Peter McGough Flex Magazine May 2002
Let it be said that the camera can lie at physique contests. Some guys look great onstage but not so great on final film (Dorian Yates, for one) and vice versa (Shawn Ray is an example). Despite that caveat, and despite the fact that these peepers
try it oh wait you can't as usual
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do a google or yahoo search. you will find lots of first hand accounts of how much freakier ronnie is in person than in pics/vids.
duh.
the nuthuggers are such a delusional bunch.. ::)
they think that the "photoelectric effect" LOL is real and only applies to their man crush haha ::)
You're retarded. It's your job to post your proof, not mine fucktard. You always say shit exists but never posting the proof... know what that means? IT DOESN'T EXIST WITHOUT PROOF.
Again, you're just pissed because people have said Dorian has something that doesn't show up in pics, and no one has ever said the same for Coleman. Thats why you're mad. You can't admit Dorian might have something that just doesn't apply to Ronnie. ;D
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LOL you want your proof?
here is the first fucking hit that comes up on google LMAO:
http://forums.johnstonefitness.com/archive/index.php/t-5800.html
Coleman seriously looks like he is not human when you see him in real
life.
why oh why are you people so incredibly dumb?
you really think that dorian has some magical property that no other pro has that makes him look better in real life than in pics? LMAO
ALL PRO's are like that.
its just sad that you need smart people like me to show you this.
its fucking hilarious.
look, I know you all seem to have a beginners knowledge of the sport, but you really should understand this sort of basic stuff by now.. ::) :P
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Fucking absolutely hate you guys.
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Fucking absolutely hate you guys.
yeah, its hard to watch them get publicly embarassed by me day in and day out.
but maybe they are learning something? finally. lol
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yeah, its hard to watch them get publicly embarassed by me day in and day out.
but maybe they are learning something? finally. lol
You're right up there on the list too, stickdick.
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Boooom!!!
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Ball peen hammer to every one of your faces.
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LOL you want your proof?
here is the first fucking hit that comes up on google LMAO:
http://forums.johnstonefitness.com/archive/index.php/t-5800.html
why oh why are you people so incredibly dumb?
you really think that dorian has some magical property that no other pro has that makes him look better in real life than in pics? LMAO
ALL PRO's are like that.
its just sad that you need smart people like me to show you this.
its fucking hilarious.
look, I know you all seem to have a beginners knowledge of the sport, but you really should understand this sort of basic stuff by now.. ::) :P
Well, at least you provided proof. Too bad its not the same thing the industry people are sayingl... that picsjust dont capture Dorians musculature. Look you can keep spewing your rhetoric and calling people newbies and shit but it doesn't change the fact your complely blind to outside information.. making you in complete denial and incapable of having any sort of a rational argument. You just keep saying, look he's better! Thats your opinion and it has absolutley no basis in fact.
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this 'you had to be in person' shit is getting to sound like a broken record .... coleman looks more ridiculous than anyone who ever ever ever lived ... lol ...
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this 'you had to be in person' shit is getting to sound like a broken record .... coleman looks more ridiculous than anyone who ever ever ever lived ... lol ...
ill agree with that. That doesn't make him a better BB IMHO.
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ill agree with that. That doesn't make him a better BB IMHO.
In that case Shawn Ray was Mr O a couple of times, no >?
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That doesn't make him a better BB IMHO.
Of course it doesn't. There were plenty of other competitors with bigger looking biceps than Yates when he was competing, but where did it get them? Those guys had poor proportions IMO, poor condition and that's why they didn't win. I would put this guy in that category:
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_Ls1UQ__87Kk/R-Y5Sx3eVZI/AAAAAAAAAI8/dBqq13JBZ8I/s400/1997-mr-olympia-141.jpg)
A physique with bags of potential but never quite good enough to be a world champion.
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Bigger BBers "naturally " (strange word in the BBing world) tend to have problems getting in proper condition. Dorian and to a lesser extent Ronnie (specially his first two Sandows) were able to achieve great conditioning while keeping a lot of size. Other mass monsters either had to put their health in danger (like Benazizza) to dial it in or just always be a little short of that like Dillett, Fux, Nasser at his heavier weight, etc....
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this 'you had to be in person' shit is getting to sound like a broken record
well, what else are the nuthuggers going to say?
its clear ronnie has a much better physique at his peak so they need some sort of bullshit excuse to shout in order to make their hero look better.
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LOL you want your proof?
here is the first fucking hit that comes up on google LMAO:
http://forums.johnstonefitness.com/archive/index.php/t-5800.html
why oh why are you people so incredibly dumb?
you really think that dorian has some magical property that no other pro has that makes him look better in real life than in pics? LMAO
ALL PRO's are like that.
its just sad that you need smart people like me to show you this.
its fucking hilarious.
look, I know you all seem to have a beginners knowledge of the sport, but you really should understand this sort of basic stuff by now.. ::) :P
This is what you're trying to pass off as proof ? some guy on johnstonefitness LMMFAO and again he's talking about from a size prospective different thing we're talking about a guy not looking as good in pictures vs live and that doesn't apply to everyone stupid
Peter McGough Flex Magazine May 2002
Let it be said that the camera can lie at physique contests. Some guys look great onstage but not so great on final film (Dorian Yates, for one) and vice versa (Shawn Ray is an example)
The funny thing is you searched high and low and this is all you came up with , it's pathetic and then you beat your chest as if you accomplished something ::) very weak but that's you in a nut shell
Experts NOT some guy on some sight no one every heard of talking about a size prospective you think that even comes close to touching the list of experts I posted? keep trying stupid
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this 'you had to be in person' shit is getting to sound like a broken record .... coleman looks more ridiculous than anyone who ever ever ever lived ... lol ...
Well stupid people need to be reminded that you can't sit there and say " Oh Ronnie is better conditioned " when they're basing everything off of pictures & video when the majority says pictures don't do Yates justice
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well, what else are the nuthuggers going to say?
its clear ronnie has a much better physique at his peak so they need some sort of bullshit excuse to shout in order to make their hero look better.
You don't even know what his peak is lmfao you mistakenly think it's 1999 when NO ONE worth anything agrees
You don't believe Ronnie was better than Dorian for a moment which is exactly why you're in a Yates thread trolling trying to prove Ronnie wrong when he said he couldn't touch Dorian
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Hahaha, oh heaven. How did I miss this little gem of a reply. Hulkster providing 'proof' from a fucking site that has never been heard of, by a nobody that will never be heard of. Hulkster is getting desperate which is understandable. He is being bitch slapped, exposed for lies and laughed at. Half his posts are pleas for numbers to strengthen his position the other half are made up of bullshit. The kiddo should stop posting now while he still has a shred of dignity left and go troll in fitness figure threads. Nothing left here to gain or lose for him.
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Hahaha, oh heaven. How did I miss this little gem of a reply. Hulkster providing 'proof' from a fucking site that has never been heard of, by a nobody that will never be heard of. Hulkster is getting desperate which is understandable. He is being bitch slapped, exposed for lies and laughed at. Half his posts are pleas for numbers to strengthen his position the other half are made up of bullshit. The kiddo should stop posting now while he still has a shred of dignity left and go troll in fitness figure threads. Nothing left here to gain or lose for him.
He really is and then he goes on this tangent about how smart he is LMFAO joe-blow from johnstone fitness says lmao all the while dismissing the real experts
He's the complete moron who insists Peter McGough is dead wrong when he claims Dorian is better conditioned but some dude from John Stone fitness is right on the money and he's not even talking about the same thing to boot !!
Hulkster backfire yet again
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Hulkster is the dumbest poster on Getbig by far, only Goodrum can compete. He never posted pics but I'd guess he pretty mcuh looks the same as Vince.
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well, what else are the nuthuggers going to say?
its clear ronnie has a much better physique at his peak so they need some sort of bullshit excuse to shout in order to make their hero look better.
So would you say you constantly dream of having sex with Ronnie or is it more of just an occasional dream for a few hours a day?
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Bump ;D
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I see Fagster is laying low now after his otherworldly stupid 'proof' comment. That's good though. The kiddo need to regain some confidence for his next salvo of bullshit. It's fun going troll hunting. They're easy to spot, does/say incredibly stupid things and when you're tired of playing with them, you bitch slap them down back into place and wait for them to recover or a next one to come along.
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paul said it best, Yates made him want to retire.
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bump for ownage.
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hulkster is afraid to read it. owned again. how many times is this now? like Vader said "all too easy".
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Hulkster owned again:
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read the article.
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30 pages already, you re a retard hulkster
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paul said it best, Yates made him want to retire.
hulkster is afraid to read it. owned again. how many times is this now? like Vader said "all too easy".
hahaha, what is this suppose to prove? That Dorian was unbeatable back in 93? Nice quote but this one is better ;)
Paul Dillet - MD, February 2004
"Understand that if Ronnie walked away tomorrow, I do not think anyone can measure up to the standards he has set. Just like Sergio Oliva, an awesome bodybuilder way ahead of his time, and like Flex Wheeler, who had an absolutely perfect, beautiful physique. No one will match Serigo or Flex and now Ronnie."
I love it when the Dorian nuthuggers post a quote b/c for every one praising Dorian, there's like 2-3 saying Ronnie is the best.
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get off hulksters cock, you are going to be squirting cum from your ass.
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hahaha, what is this suppose to prove? That Dorian was unbeatable back in 93? Nice quote but this one is better ;)
Paul Dillet - MD, February 2004
"Understand that if Ronnie walked away tomorrow, I do not think anyone can measure up to the standards he has set. Just like Sergio Oliva, an awesome bodybuilder way ahead of his time, and like Flex Wheeler, who had an absolutely perfect, beautiful physique. No one will match Serigo or Flex and now Ronnie."
I love it when the Dorian nuthuggers post a quote b/c for every one praising Dorian, there's like 2-3 saying Ronnie is the best.
How about this one? ;)
Flex 2002
Do you still dream of winning the Mr. Olympia?
I spoke with Ronnie Coleman, the reigning Mr. Olympia, about six months ago, and he admitted that I was the one bodybuilder who he thought could beat him if I was at my best. So, yes, I still' believe in my heart that I can win the Sandow.
I like how he wanted to quite bodybuilding after he seen pictures of Yates and he still felt he could beat Ronnie and Ronnie agreed ;)
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hahaha, what is this suppose to prove? That Dorian was unbeatable back in 93? Nice quote but this one is better ;)
Paul Dillet - MD, February 2004
"Understand that if Ronnie walked away tomorrow, I do not think anyone can measure up to the standards he has set. Just like Sergio Oliva, an awesome bodybuilder way ahead of his time, and like Flex Wheeler, who had an absolutely perfect, beautiful physique. No one will match Serigo or Flex and now Ronnie."
I love it when the Dorian nuthuggers post a quote b/c for every one praising Dorian, there's like 2-3 saying Ronnie is the best.
Oh let's not forget what Paul said about Dorian 1995
I've seen Jesus Christ and he looks like Dorian Yates
And that quote didn't say Ronnie is the best in fact all it did was state the obvious he set new standards for size which was directly after the 2003 Mr Olympia , like Dorian did in 1993/1995
What I find funny is Paul wanted to quit after he saw Dorian and he thought he could beat Ronnie ;D
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whats so special about the article? yes, yates looked better in 93 than in 92.
and ronnie looked better than yates did in 93 in 1999.
its called progress.
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whats so special about the article? yes, yates looked better in 93 than in 92.
and ronnie looked better than yates did in 93 in 1999.
its called progress.
you are like a damn parrot. saying the same shit over and over. did you or did you not ever see Yates or ronnie live? no? well then shut up.
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whats so special about the article? yes, yates looked better in 93 than in 92.
and ronnie looked better than yates did in 93 in 1999.
its called progress.
Dillett wanted to quite bodybuilding after he saw pics of Yates , when it comes to Ronnie he says he could beat him ;D
owned yet again
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you are like a damn parrot. saying the same shit over and over. did you or did you not ever see Yates or ronnie live? no? well then shut up.
and you are like a broken record, posting the same misinformation over and over again.
the pics and vids show dorian would get crushed, and it eats you all up inside.
:P
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Paul thinks he could have beat ronnie eh?
well, take a look at this:
Paul is as delusional for thinking that as all of you are for thinking dorian could beat him:
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with a back paul could have, not would. Yates said that paul was one guy that could give him trouble if he put it all together but he never could (just like wheeler).
and no i dont go spewing the same shit and posting the same things. you never saw this before today.
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Paul thinks he could have beat ronnie eh?
well, take a look at this:
Paul is as delusional for thinking that as all of you are for thinking dorian could beat him:
Moron Ronnie thought Paul could beat him ;) once again owned by your own hero
There is NO speculation if Dorian could beat him it's a proven fact
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and you are like a broken record, posting the same misinformation over and over again.
Ironic post alert
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with a back paul could have, not would
and what do you think paul with a back would have done to your hero:
bwahahhahahahaaha:
::)
dorian was nothing special from the front. and it shows time and time again.
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even when both are in offseason shape, its embarassing for yates:
especially considering that the nuthuggers are orgasming over pics like this of yates in the other thread LMAO:
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and what do you think paul with a back would have done to your hero:
bwahahhahahahaaha:
::)
dorian was nothing special from the front. and it shows time and time again.
Damn nice pic hulkster Paul was a monster in the front and in the face, tell him not to turn around for any back shots. but nice the mofo was huge in this pic.
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say what you will hulky, its on stage that matters.
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say what you will hulky, its on stage that matters.
Dorian beats Flex in 93 , Flex proclaims Dorian is unbeatable. Ronnie beats Flex in 1999 and Flex turns his back on Ronnie and says he's #1 ;D
Dillett says after seeing pics of Dorian he wanted to quit the fucking sport , called him Jesus Chrirst , Dillett says he can beat Ronnie ;D
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get off hulksters cock, you are going to be squirting cum from your ass.
oh yes, demonstrating the folly of you using quotes makes me gay but suppressing your gag reflex to please your hero doesn't make you homo? lol
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And that quote didn't say Ronnie is the best in fact all it did was state the obvious he set new standards for size which was directly after the 2003 Mr Olympia , like Dorian did in 1993/1995
lmao, where does it say "size" in the quote I posted?
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even when both are in offseason shape, its embarassing for yates:
especially considering that the nuthuggers are orgasming over pics like this of yates in the other thread LMAO:
You just can't comprehend that some people might prefer Dorian's build over Ronnie's, can you?
Including the judges? ;D
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You just can't comprehend that some people might prefer Dorian's build over Ronnie's, can you?
Including the judges? ;D
the judges wouldn't. not the way ronnie looked like at his peak
back when dorian was beating ronnie, the judges preferred Charles Clairmonte and Porter Cotrell over Ronnie, so your argument goes out the window if thats your basis. :P
and as far as preferring one build over another, thats fine.
but that preference does not translate to the pro stage where criteria are used to asses and compare physiques. thats where dorian would lose.
I can say all I want that I might prefer Kamali over ronnie, but that doesn't mean he would win onstage against him.
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and what do you think paul with a back would have done to your hero:
bwahahhahahahaaha:
::)
dorian was nothing special from the front. and it shows time and time again.
Time and again.. LOL.
Thats the same pic you've posted for 3 years. Epic fail.
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Thats the same pic you've posted for 3 years
yup. and its just as embarassing for dorian now as it was 3 years ago..lol
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did dorian work construction?
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lmao, where does it say "size" in the quote I posted?
No where just like it doesn't say he's ' the best ' ;)
And Paul was specifically talking about Ronnie's 2003 Mr Olympia win because that's from MD's coverage of the Olympia and Ronnie did set a new standard
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the judges wouldn't. not the way ronnie looked like at his peak
back when dorian was beating ronnie, the judges preferred Charles Clairmonte and Porter Cotrell over Ronnie, so your argument goes out the window if thats your basis. :P
and as far as preferring one build over another, thats fine.
but that preference does not translate to the pro stage where criteria are used to asses and compare physiques. thats where dorian would lose.
I can say all I want that I might prefer Ronnie over Dorian but that doesn't mean he would win onstage against him.
This I'm afraid is where you FAIL as usual the judges would chose Dorian's physique over Ronnie and why? because of what I've been saying all along
Dorian has better balance & proportion , he's harder & drier , depending on the year he carries more muscular bulk ( and if we're talking about peak Ronnie 1999 is NOT it ) let's also factor in posing & presentation hey wait a minute that's all of the judging criteria ;)
Stop pretending you know how contests are judged you're the fucking idiot who claims 1994 was fixed and 2001 Ronnie dominated which contradicts facts and reality. you're the last person who knows how contests are judged you're the same dummy who asked how can Dorian win the symmetry round with a torn bicep .
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Yes absolutely correct ND key words being better balance and proportion....(not who's got bigger arms and quads) its the TOTAL balance of the physique, hardness, TOTAL conditioning etc that's judged not "whos more massive"
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even when both are in offseason shape, its embarassing for yates:
especially considering that the nuthuggers are orgasming over pics like this of yates in the other thread LMAO:
Hulkster, are you posting the same selective pictures again? Are you trying to judge and compare two bodybuilders based on selective pictures that were taken on different occasions and time, have different lighting, were taken at different angles and one is black & white while the other is color?
I hope you're not being serious, but that really shows your lack of knowledge.
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Hulkster, are you posting the same selective pictures again? Are you trying to judge and compare two bodybuilders based on selective pictures that were taken on different occasions and time, have different lighting, were taken at different angles and one is black & white while the other is color?
I hope you're not being serious, but that really shows your lack of knowledge.
Knowledge is hard to come buy when your whole body is flooded with Ronnie's cum.
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This I'm afraid is where you FAIL as usual the judges would chose Dorian's physique over Ronnie and why? because of what I've been saying all along
Dorian has better balance & proportion , he's harder & drier , depending on the year he carries more muscular bulk ( and if we're talking about peak Ronnie 1999 is NOT it ) let's also factor in posing & presentation hey wait a minute that's all of the judging criteria ;)
Stop pretending you know how contests are judged you're the fucking idiot who claims 1994 was fixed and 2001 Ronnie dominated which contradicts facts and reality. you're the last person who knows how contests are judged you're the same dummy who asked how can Dorian win the symmetry round with a torn bicep .
I would like to see Hulkster responde to this post with a good argument and not just post two selective pictures and say "look Ronnie is better".
Anyway, he's probably just going to ignore it as usual, since he has no argument against it.
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Yes absolutely correct ND key words being better balance and proportion....(not who's got bigger arms and quads) its the TOTAL balance of the physique, hardness, TOTAL conditioning etc that's judged not "whos more massive"
In this case, should not have Shawn Ray beaten Dorian in 94 or 96? He might have had a better overall balance than Dorian.
Just in case, I'm just trying to be objective here and pointing out this, I'm not trying to say Shawn should have beaten Dorian.
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Knowledge is hard to come buy when your whole body is flooded with Ronnie's cum.
;D You're right, he must be really blinded by his "love" for Ronnie that he can't be objective, at least a little.
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In this case, should not have Shawn Ray beaten Dorian in 94 or 96? He might have had a better overall balance than Dorian.
Just in case, I'm just trying to be objective here and pointing out this, I'm not trying to say Shawn should have beaten Dorian.
'94 could be argued but '96 no way. I don't even think he should have won '94. Shawn looked great but once you go into details, he has e faw shortcomings, other than height.
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Oh let's not forget what Paul said about Dorian 1995
I've seen Jesus Christ and he looks like Dorian Yates
And that quote didn't say Ronnie is the best in fact all it did was state the obvious he set new standards for size which was directly after the 2003 Mr Olympia , like Dorian did in 1993/1995
What I find funny is Paul wanted to quit after he saw Dorian and he thought he could beat Ronnie ;D
Your Dillet quote about Dorian is kinda weird, does being "Jesus Christ" mean you would beat 2003 Ronnie? Doesn;t really mean anything without other quotes. Also it's years before ronnie hit his peak, so it's contectually lacking.
The Dillet quote about Ronnie didn't mention size so i'm not sure why you replied that he only meant standards in terms of size.
Your final line isn't proof of any kind, when did Dillet say he could be Ronnie? Pre 98/2003 or no? Cos his more recent quote seems to contradict your quoteless assertion.
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and what do you think paul with a back would have done to your hero:
bwahahhahahahaaha:
::)
dorian was nothing special from the front. and it shows time and time again.
Here's a shot of Dorian owning Dillet from the front....
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Here's a shot of Dorian owning Dillet from the front....
to be fair Dorian is far closer to the camera.
Ill be the first to say Dillet dwarfs Dorian from the front.
However, Dillet couldn't pose not to mention his lack of conditioning and a back.
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to be fair Dorian is far closer to the camera.
Ill be the first to say Dillet dwarfs Dorian from the front.
However, Dillet couldn't pose not to mention his lack of conditioning and a back.
Dillet dwarfed everyone from the front...but that doesn't mean he is better. Of course Dorian is closer in the pic I posted, but his superior proportion and balance are evident.
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ferrigno (shit do i owe him $20) dwarfed everyone. doesnt mean he is better.
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Your Dillet quote about Dorian is kinda weird, does being "Jesus Christ" mean you would beat 2003 Ronnie? Doesn;t really mean anything without other quotes. Also it's years before ronnie hit his peak, so it's contectually lacking.
The Dillet quote about Ronnie didn't mention size so i'm not sure why you replied that he only meant standards in terms of size.
Your final line isn't proof of any kind, when did Dillet say he could be Ronnie? Pre 98/2003 or no? Cos his more recent quote seems to contradict your quoteless assertion.
Your Dillet quote about Dorian is kinda weird, does being "Jesus Christ" mean you would beat 2003 Ronnie? Doesn;t really mean anything without other quotes. Also it's years before ronnie hit his peak, so it's contectually lacking.
No Paul referring to him as Jesus Christ does not mean he'd beat him in 2003 it's another example of Paul being astounded by Yates' physique
The Dillet quote about Ronnie didn't mention size so i'm not sure why you replied that he only meant standards in terms of size.
Because he's commenting on the 2003 Olympia , Ronnie's size & conditioning is exactly what he and many others have commented on by setting new standards no Mr Olympia previously was 287 pounds on stage
Your final line isn't proof of any kind, when did Dillet say he could be Ronnie? Pre 98/2003 or no? Cos his more recent quote seems to contradict your quoteless assertion.
It wasn't supposed to be ' proof ' it was supposed to show Paul honestly didn't think he could beat Dorian yet believed he could beat Ronnie ( and Ronnie believed Paul could beat him ) I believe I posted the date which was 2002? He specifically says he could win the Sandow so he's saying he could beat Ronnie
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I would like to see Hulkster responde to this post with a good argument and not just post two selective pictures and say "look Ronnie is better".
Anyway, he's probably just going to ignore it as usual, since he has no argument against it.
He can't , he wont and never could.
He argued Ronnie has better conditioning in 1999 a year Ronnie specifically said wasn't his best and 1998 was because his conditioning was spot-on he dismissed Ronnie as a liar , he lies about everything
He mistakenly claimed Ronnie has better balance & proportion than Dorian , when Dorian was asked to speak on the subject he said specifically he was better balanced than Ronnie and had better conditioning and if anyone would know he would because he's an IFBB judge
I don't think he's tried Ronnie was better at posing & presentation but I wouldn't put it past his stupidity , neither is Lee Labrada at posing but it's clear Dorian has mastered the mandatory poses and can do them correctly
Hulkster has absolutely nothing he's been wrong on every single ' point ' he's made and he's pissed off because I'm the guy who rubbed his nose in the shit he's typed , which is exactly why he's in every single Dorian thread spewing the same old lines
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I would like to see Hulkster responde to this post with a good argument and not just post two selective pictures and say "look Ronnie is better".
Anyway, he's probably just going to ignore it as usual, since he has no argument against it.
uh no. there have been thousands of posts by me with excellent arguments that are also BACKED UP by pictures, something that ND's arguments have never ever done.
he just posts quotes that don't even match up to reality.
oh, and if you want a more in depth discussion of dorian vs ronnie, see this short thread, the one where ND was embarassed so badly that he ran away like a pussy:
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=69359.0
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Hulkster, are you posting the same selective pictures again? Are you trying to judge and compare two bodybuilders based on selective pictures that were taken on different occasions and time, have different lighting, were taken at different angles and one is black & white while the other is color?
I hope you're not being serious, but that really shows your lack of knowledge.
no, they are not selective pics.
they are representative pics. good pics of both bodybuilders in similar poses under similar conditions, like I always post.
just because they tend to show ronnie is better doesn't make them wrong to use.
it just means that they are an excellent reprentation of how both looked.
the fact that dorian gets crushed is just a consequence of ronnie betting better. its that simple.
its not my fault.
but it does drive you nuthuggers crazy. as it should. your hero was not as good and it shows all the time. and you hate that. :P
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pics schmics whatever man. have you or have you not seen either Yates or ronnie live? you really cant talk unless you have and more people here that have seen them live have said.....wait for it.....Yates.
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no, most people say ronnie.
eg:
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=252142.0
read and weep nuthuggers :P
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uh no. there have been thousands of posts by me with excellent arguments that are also BACKED UP by pictures, something that ND's arguments have never ever done.
he just posts quotes that don't even match up to reality.
oh, and if you want a more in depth discussion of dorian vs ronnie, see this short thread, the one where ND was embarassed so badly that he ran away like a pussy:
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=69359.0
LMMFAO excellent arguments
like this gem? Dorian is the most overrated bodybuilder of all time because he's so great ;D
Ronnie has more detailed calves than Dorian did ;)
Ronnie dominated a contest he lost the entire prejudging in ::)
1994 was fixed and 2001 wasn't
Ronnie in 1999 was more grainy than Dorian ever was ???
1998 wasn't close but Ronnie won by only three points :-\
1999 is Ronnie's best showing ever but not one single expert says so :D
Dorian only won because he faced smaller guys , ( Dillett , Fux , Nasser , Ian Harrison , Fancios Ferrigno )
Dorian was nothing more than calves and a back
This is just a small sample of ' excellent arguments ' and this is just the shit I can think of off the top of my head , I could make you look even more stupid if I did search the Truce Thread
You're stupid and everyone knows it except you .
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no, they are not selective pics.
they are representative pics. good pics of both bodybuilders in similar poses under similar conditions, like I always post.
just because they tend to show ronnie is better doesn't make them wrong to use.
it just means that they are an excellent reprentation of how both looked.
the fact that dorian gets crushed is just a consequence of ronnie betting better. its that simple.
its not my fault.
but it does drive you nuthuggers crazy. as it should. your hero was not as good and it shows all the time. and you hate that. :P
You're selective pic ' comparisons ' are infamous you're notoriously scared of Dorian at his best which is why you carefully select Dorian pics and compare them to your PHOTOSHOPPED pics of Ronnie , ones you were busted posting by Kevin Horton who exposed your ploy
You made up quotes , you knowingly used photoshopped pics , you contradict every expert , you don't even know how contests are judged you're owned give it up , you think you can post your way out of your bullshit it's not working.
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In this case, should not have Shawn Ray beaten Dorian in 94 or 96? He might have had a better overall balance than Dorian.
Just in case, I'm just trying to be objective here and pointing out this, I'm not trying to say Shawn should have beaten Dorian.
Well the answer to your question is simple...no he shouldn't of beaten Dorian in 1994, the fact is or was Dorian has a superior skeletal structure than Shawn...and 99% of the others back then, (key word being skeletal structure not Genetics) Shawn was in Fantastic shape in 1994 however nothing could change the fact that his legs were quiet short in relation to the Total balance of his upper-body and all round structure, Nasser was the same, Both Lee Haney and Dorian Yates had Superior Skeletal Structures than both those BB greats, and this is what alot of people don't understand about both Haney and Yates...the mandatory poses like Front relaxed...side relaxed....turn to the rear relax...these are the FIRST impressions Judges get of the people in question...They are assessing the Skeletal structure and BALANCE of the Physique....not whos got better arms, quads, chest, then things like conditioning, muscle flow etc etc come into play.
Until people learn to assess these points on balance, and structure, and then other factors like shape,conditioning, etc come AFTER the first 2 points mentioned...well this is the reason for the non stop hes better than him posts.
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Well the answer to your question is simple...no he shouldn't of beaten Dorian in 1994, the fact is or was Dorian has a superior skeletal structure than Shawn...and 99% of the others back then, (key word being skeletal structure not Genetics) Shawn was in Fantastic shape in 1994 however nothing could change the fact that his legs were quiet short in relation to the Total balance of his upper-body and all round structure, Nasser was the same, Both Lee Haney and Dorian Yates had Superior Skeletal Structures than both those BB greats, and this is what alot of people don't understand about both Haney and Yates...the mandatory poses like Front relaxed...side relaxed....turn to the rear relax...these are the FIRST impressions Judges get of the people in question...They are assessing the Skeletal structure and BALANCE of the Physique....not whos got better arms, quads, chest, then things like conditioning, muscle flow etc etc come into play.
Until people learn to assess these points on balance, and structure, and then other factors like shape,conditioning, etc come AFTER the first 2 points mentioned...well this is the reason for the non stop hes better than him posts.
Exactly everything is assessed at once ..... All rounds are physique rounds every single pose ALL of the criteria is assessed at once and the judges are instructed to give it to the guy who most satisfies ALL of the criteria
You bring up the standing relaxed from the back , judges look and directly compare each of the competitors they start from the head down and look to see who has is carrying the most muscular bulk ( Dorian 262lbs in 1994 and Shawn 205lbs ) Dorian wins this part , they check for balance & proportion or ' symmetry ' which is misleading because there when people think of symmetry they either think of left/right exactness which does NOT exist in nature noting is truly symmetrical
Another part people most often associate symmetry with is small waist , hips , joints etc and they would be correct however they often omit muscular balance & proportion , torso length , leg length , arm length , how all of these tie together , Shawn does have better ' symmetry ' than Dorian , but Dorian has better balance & proportion . Like you mentioned Shawn has short legs , high calves , long torso , Dorian has excellent balance & proportion but being an almost pure mesomorph he also has bigger joints and a naturally wider waist than someone like Shawn & Flex who have very light frames
This is what 99.9% of people cannot grasp ..symmetry is NOT I repeat NOT judged as a separate and distinct entity in the ' symmetry round ' all rounds are physique rounds and all of the criteria is assessed at once , so while Shawn has advantages in ' symmetry ' over Dorian he's also lacking clearly in balance & proportion and muscular bulk , so you can see Dorian is distancing himself when all of the criteria is applied
Conditioning is area where Shawn comes close because he was razor sharp in 1994 but I mean it's relatively easy to be hard and dry when you're 205 pounds and a whole other ball of wax when you're 262 pounds , and being dry is one thing being dry and dense while carrying the maximum amount of size is next to impossible , Shawn knows this because he tried to add some size and compete at 215 pounds and you guessed it his conditioning suffered for it
Another aspect people can't seem to comprehend is the posing rounds , many say how can Ronnie and Dorian win the posing rounds when neither are technically great posers , which all goes back to All rounds are physique rounds even in the posing rounds , the judges are assessing who is carrying more muscular bulk , who is harder & drier , who is more balanced , who is proportionate which is exactly why Dorian always won the posing rounds despite not being as technically a great poser like Lee Labrada
Posing & presentation , it's all how you act on-stage , if you're confident , if you show off your physique to it's best advantage , if you can hold and maintain mandatory poses for long periods of time without shaking and bending over breathing heavy , it's all about confidence and poise and it's all about meeting all of the judging criteria because they don't separate it in any round in any pose.
Taking all that into account anyone who thinks Shawn Ray should have beaten Dorian in 1994 is just ignorant of how contests are judged and or biased towards physiques-styles they find appealing and or marketable , but going by how contests are judged 1994 was NO contest what-so-ever and Shawn was very lucky to beat Kevin Levrone for second a feat which he managed to do by one one single point.
The above reasons is why Dorian kicked everyones ass and the exact same reasons he would beat Ronnie .
Hulkster on a side note that's how an intelligent , factual , cognizant and objective argument laid out , you should try it some time but I'm afraid stupidity prevents you from looking past your own bias and ignorance.
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You're selective pic ' comparisons ' are infamous you're notoriously scared of Dorian at his best which is why you carefully select Dorian pics and compare them to your PHOTOSHOPPED pics of Ronnie , ones you were busted posting by Kevin Horton who exposed your ploy
lol this has to be the biggest single peice of bullshit ND has ever posted. and that is saying alot.
none of the pics I post are photoshopped, none of the videos are faked. I publicly proved this to Kevin and we all know what happened next: he ran. he knew he was wrong about the pics and videos that Bizzy had done. forgot about that part, didn't you Flowerboy? ::)
and the dorian shots I post are consistent with those I post of ronnie.
eg.: both at their bests, dorian gets killed as always.
but ND can't deal with that, neither can his bitches, so they complain the pics are biased against dorian, even though they are exellent shots of him at his best (in this case, 1993).
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lol this has to be the biggest single peice of bullshit ND has ever posted. and that is saying alot.
none of the pics I post are photoshopped, none of the videos are faked. I publicly proved this to Kevin and we all know what happened next: he ran. he knew he was wrong about the pics and videos that Bizzy had done. forgot about that part, didn't you Flowerboy? ::)
and the dorian shots I post are consistent with those I post of ronnie.
eg.: both at their bests, dorian gets killed as always.
but ND can't deal with that, neither can his bitches, so they complain the pics are biased against dorian, even though they are exellent shots of him at his best (in this case, 1993).
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meltdown
You're a liar and you knowingly posted photoshopped pics and made up quotes.
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pics schmics whatever man. have you or have you not seen either Yates or ronnie live? you really cant talk unless you have and more people here that have seen them live have said.....wait for it.....Yates.
lmao, it's so easy owning you nuthuggers. ;)
Joe Weider - IFBB Co-Founder
"Many experts, including reigning Mr.Olympia, Jay Cutler, believe that at his best Ronnie has the greatest physique of all-time. When looking at pictures of Ronnie from the 1998 Mr.Olympia, I find it hard to argue with that."
Team Flex - http://www.flexonline.com/training/49
"We've said before that the 245 pounds or so physique with which [Ronnie Coleman] won the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic is the best ever - unbeatable."
Lonnie Teper - MD, December 2005
"I've always said that it's too hard to compare athletes of different eras (then he names a few Mr. Olympias including Dorian). Still, it's hard to imagine that anybody who's ever stepped on a bodybuilding stage could have beaten Coleman. So I reserve the right to change my mind on this one. No offense to the rest of the champs - you were/are all truly amazing physique athletes - but Coleman has really taken it to the next level, as all magnificent conquerors do."
Tony Doherty - Heavy Muscle Radio (03-16-09)
"Ronnie is the best ever. No one even comes close."
Tony Doherty - http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=270388.msg3803035#msg3803035
"Absolutely no question. The best ever, I have seen them and worked with them all. Seeing Ronnie in 2003 was like looking into the future!"
Raymond Cassar - Muscletime Editor and Photographer
"There is no one alive that can beat Ronnie Coleman when he is at his best - No One! (and his best for me was when he won the 2001 Arnold Classic)"
http://www.muscletime.com/news/contest-results/2007-mr-olympia-analysis
Steve Blechman - MD, Febrary 2004
"Ronnie perseveres and proves continually that, at his best, he is unbeatable."
Greg Merritt - Flex, July 2007 p. 212
"Coleman is only two years older than the new Mr. O (hypothetical article saying if Toney Freeman won), but time stops for no man, including the greatest bodybuilder who ever lived."
Greg Meritt – http://www.metroflexgymtraining.com/testimonials.html
“From the greatest bodybuilder of all-time, Ronnie Coleman, to gregarious owner Brian Dobson to the kid who joined yesterday, everyone is trying to push themselves further than ever before, and it’s the energy of this shared commitment that makes Metroflex great.”
Chris Lund (Paraphrased by Milos Sarcev) - European Flex, April 2004
"Chris Lund who I consider to be a great expert in our sport of bodybuilding, told me that Ronnie is simply the best bodybuilder he has ever seen, or photographed, and he has seen everybody, during the last 35 years."
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=237938.0
Hollis Liebman - Former Fitness Editor and IFBB Official
"The era of the big man would commence with Lee Haney (1984-1991), whose formidable torso would dominate the lineup for 8 straight years and was then elevated by Dorian Yates (1992-1997), whose back and overall conditioning upped the ante yet again until an alien named Ronnie Coleman (1998-2005), in all likelihood the greatest bodybuilder of all time, would redefine the sport bringing a near 300 pound contest ready physique to the stage."
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=238675.0
Flex Wheeler - MD, February 2004
"I'll go on record as saying Ronnie is truly the biggest, hardest, most shredded Mr. Olympia in history. No disrespect to anybody at all, but I'd to identify Ronnie Coleman as the greatest Mr. Olympia of all time."
Paul Dillet - MD, February 2004
"Understand that if Ronnie walked away tomorrow, I do not think anyone can measure up to the standards he has set. Just like Sergio Oliva, an awesome bodybuilder way ahead of his time, and like Flex Wheeler, who had an absolutely perfect, beautiful physique. No one will match Serigo or Flex and now Ronnie."
Mike Matarazzo – Flex, January 1999
“I think this creature from another planet, Ronnie Coleman, is going to be number one for a while. I think that, in the shape he was in, he would have beaten Dorian Yates. Ronnie has every single attribute it takes to be the greatest bodybuilder who ever lived.”
Jean Pierre Fux - Personal Website
"The current Mr. Olympia (Ronnie Coleman). In top shape, probably the best physique that ever stepped on stage."
Branch Warren – Flex, October 2006
“I have a lot of respect for Ronnie. He’s probably the greatest bodybuilder there’s ever been.”
John Hansen, 2x Mr. Natural Universe and Mr. Natural Olympia - Personal Website
"It would be safe to say that [Ronnie Coleman] presented a physique that has never been seen by the bodybuilding world ever before. Competing at an incredibly massive 287 pounds, Ronnie destroyed the competition with a physique that could not possibly be equaled."
Ryan Mackie - A Fan Perspective: My 2003 Olympia Experience (Hosted on Bodybuilding.com)
"Everyone could see that at 287 pounds this was Ronnie's night and that he was back on top of his game and furthermore bodybuilding had just seen the bar of excellence raised even further. Just like Dorian Yates did in 1993 when he set a new standard, Ronnie has now taken it even further leaving all his competitors wonder what they have to do to now catch Ronnie Coleman, let alone beat him."
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No Paul referring to him as Jesus Christ does not mean he'd beat him in 2003 it's another example of Paul being astounded by Yates' physique
Because he's commenting on the 2003 Olympia , Ronnie's size & conditioning is exactly what he and many others have commented on by setting new standards no Mr Olympia previously was 287 pounds on stage
It wasn't supposed to be ' proof ' it was supposed to show Paul honestly didn't think he could beat Dorian yet believed he could beat Ronnie ( and Ronnie believed Paul could beat him ) I believe I posted the date which was 2002? He specifically says he could win the Sandow so he's saying he could beat Ronnie
Okay fair enough, but now you've added conditioning to the things we reckon Dillet was speaking about on Ronnie doesn't that kinda mean that Dillet basically said Ronnie set a new standard in conditioning as well as size? Cos wouldn't that kinda mean he surpassed Yates, since we've ascertained in past posts that Ronnie has Dorian on aesthetics?! I don't even necessarily agree Ronnie had better conditioning, just sort of curious as to why you brought that up.
I think after 2002 a lot of people though Ronnie was very beatable. I guess Gunter proved them right. People stopped saying it after 2003.
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Immortal_Technique, you're wasting your time trying to reason with the idiot ND. He argues we're putting words in Ronnie's mouth when we use the quote saying the judges favor the current Mr. Olympia but then claims Paul Dillet was only talking about size in the quote about Ronnie setting new standards. ::)
and yes, Paul used the plural form "standards" but let ND think Paul was only referring to size.
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Exactly everything is assessed at once ..... All rounds are physique rounds every single pose ALL of the criteria is assessed at once and the judges are instructed to give it to the guy who most satisfies ALL of the criteria
You bring up the standing relaxed from the back , judges look and directly compare each of the competitors they start from the head down and look to see who has is carrying the most muscular bulk ( Dorian 262lbs in 1994 and Shawn 205lbs ) Dorian wins this part , they check for balance & proportion or ' symmetry ' which is misleading because there when people think of symmetry they either think of left/right exactness which does NOT exist in nature noting is truly symmetrical
Another part people most often associate symmetry with is small waist , hips , joints etc and they would be correct however they often omit muscular balance & proportion , torso length , leg length , arm length , how all of these tie together , Shawn does have better ' symmetry ' than Dorian , but Dorian has better balance & proportion . Like you mentioned Shawn has short legs , high calves , long torso , Dorian has excellent balance & proportion but being an almost pure mesomorph he also has bigger joints and a naturally wider waist than someone like Shawn & Flex who have very light frames
This is what 99.9% of people cannot grasp ..symmetry is NOT I repeat NOT judged as a separate and distinct entity in the ' symmetry round ' all rounds are physique rounds and all of the criteria is assessed at once , so while Shawn has advantages in ' symmetry ' over Dorian he's also lacking clearly in balance & proportion and muscular bulk , so you can see Dorian is distancing himself when all of the criteria is applied
Conditioning is area where Shawn comes close because he was razor sharp in 1994 but I mean it's relatively easy to be hard and dry when you're 205 pounds and a whole other ball of wax when you're 262 pounds , and being dry is one thing being dry and dense while carrying the maximum amount of size is next to impossible , Shawn knows this because he tried to add some size and compete at 215 pounds and you guessed it his conditioning suffered for it
Another aspect people can't seem to comprehend is the posing rounds , many say how can Ronnie and Dorian win the posing rounds when neither are technically great posers , which all goes back to All rounds are physique rounds even in the posing rounds , the judges are assessing who is carrying more muscular bulk , who is harder & drier , who is more balanced , who is proportionate which is exactly why Dorian always won the posing rounds despite not being as technically a great poser like Lee Labrada
Posing & presentation , it's all how you act on-stage , if you're confident , if you show off your physique to it's best advantage , if you can hold and maintain mandatory poses for long periods of time without shaking and bending over breathing heavy , it's all about confidence and poise and it's all about meeting all of the judging criteria because they don't separate it in any round in any pose.
Taking all that into account anyone who thinks Shawn Ray should have beaten Dorian in 1994 is just ignorant of how contests are judged and or biased towards physiques-styles they find appealing and or marketable , but going by how contests are judged 1994 was NO contest what-so-ever and Shawn was very lucky to beat Kevin Levrone for second a feat which he managed to do by one one single point.
The above reasons is why Dorian kicked everyones ass and the exact same reasons he would beat Ronnie .
Hulkster on a side note that's how an intelligent , factual , cognizant and objective argument laid out , you should try it some time but I'm afraid stupidity prevents you from looking past your own bias and ignorance.
Great common sense points however i don,t believe a few of the others are getting it ND, you are correct about the "symmetry" round and the breakdown of actually what "symmetry" is and how its judged in BB circles.
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Okay fair enough, but now you've added conditioning to the things we reckon Dillet was speaking about on Ronnie doesn't that kinda mean that Dillet basically said Ronnie set a new standard in conditioning as well as size? Cos wouldn't that kinda mean he surpassed Yates, since we've ascertained in past posts that Ronnie has Dorian on aesthetics?! I don't even necessarily agree Ronnie had better conditioning, just sort of curious as to why you brought that up.
I think after 2002 a lot of people though Ronnie was very beatable. I guess Gunter proved them right. People stopped saying it after 2003.
It's mainly the size , when everyone mentions 2003 it's always comes back to how big he was , he freaky he was on how massive he was and he did have pretty good conditioning for that size
And he technically surpassed Dorian in the size & conditioning but his conditioning in this contest wasn't on Yates level anyway maybe in 1998/2001 but not 2003 but Dorian never competed at that weight and according to Kevin Horton who's seen him at 285 pounds his conditioning at that weight was unmatched even to this day
Kevin Horoton GetBig Dec 30th
The photo is technically terrible, fortunately the physique is awesome.
I'd agree with Kris about Dorian showing up on stage how he looked a few weeks out. There are some shots of him at around 280 - 285 shredded. That conditioning has not been surpassed.
Dorian could have competed at much higher weights if he wanted to but never did
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Well the answer to your question is simple...no he shouldn't of beaten Dorian in 1994, the fact is or was Dorian has a superior skeletal structure than Shawn...and 99% of the others back then, (key word being skeletal structure not Genetics) Shawn was in Fantastic shape in 1994 however nothing could change the fact that his legs were quiet short in relation to the Total balance of his upper-body and all round structure, Nasser was the same, Both Lee Haney and Dorian Yates had Superior Skeletal Structures than both those BB greats, and this is what alot of people don't understand about both Haney and Yates...the mandatory poses like Front relaxed...side relaxed....turn to the rear relax...these are the FIRST impressions Judges get of the people in question...They are assessing the Skeletal structure and BALANCE of the Physique....not whos got better arms, quads, chest, then things like conditioning, muscle flow etc etc come into play.
Until people learn to assess these points on balance, and structure, and then other factors like shape,conditioning, etc come AFTER the first 2 points mentioned...well this is the reason for the non stop hes better than him posts.
Who had better skeletal structure when Momo Benaziza beat Dorian? When Dorian's back got bigger did his skeletal structure improve?! Is that why he beat Benaziza after that?!
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Immortal_Technique, you're wasting your time trying to reason with the idiot ND. He argues we're putting words in Ronnie's mouth when we use the quote saying the judges favor the current Mr. Olympia but then claims Paul Dillet was only talking about size in the quote about Ronnie setting new standards. ::)
and yes, Paul used the plural form "standards" but let ND think Paul was only referring to size.
You're infamous for trying to speak for others , absolutely infamous for drawing your own conclusions and playing with words YOU my dim witted friend should keep very quiet
What standard did he set? he was 287 pounds on contest condition which NO other Mr Olympia before him was , no one with any intelligence thinks 2003 was his best overall showing so it wasn't because he presented his peak physique it's because of the amount of size especially over the previous year.
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Who had better skeletal structure when Momo Benaziza beat Dorian? When Dorian's back got bigger did his skeletal structure improve?! Is that why he beat Benaziza after that?!
You're omitting the other criteria , Momo carried more muscular bulk ( relative to his frame than Dorian , when he beat a 228 pound Dorian in his first pro show ) Momo had awesome conditioning as well and he was a season vet , with all things considered Momo beat him fair & square .
Dorian added some need bulk improved his back ( which was great to begin with ) and still maintained his great conditioning and beat them all
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Great common sense points however i don,t believe a few of the others are getting it ND, you are correct about the "symmetry" round and the breakdown of actually what "symmetry" is and how its judged in BB circles.
None of these guys get it which is how they come to their wacky conclusions , because they don't even know how contests are judged which is why they're scratching their heads and crying foul when Dorian wins.
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Who had better skeletal structure when Momo Benaziza beat Dorian? When Dorian's back got bigger did his skeletal structure improve?! Is that why he beat Benaziza after that?!
I think you already know the answer to that question, however il answer anyway, Dorian's forte was and always was his CONSISTENT conditioning...the 1 thing 98% of the others top guys back then missed (momo included) if you show up one day looking awesome with conditioning and win....obviously YOU have set the Bar not only for yourself but the others...so the next time you come in looking not as Conditioned as before and holding alittle water...the judges say "hes outta shape"
Yes Doria'ns back improved from 1990 to 1991....that was the 1 point that was raised after he lost to momo if you want to make direct comparisons between momo and Yates, yates muscular bulk and his conditioning in 1991 was on par with his 1990 NOC showing even though Dorian was several lbs heavier etc,etc
You know as well as i do your skeletal structure is there...that doesn't change, what does change is the condition of your physique from show to show....Dorian was more Consistent for the standard he set for himself and the others, he obviously did it better than the others... History shows this to be true 6 Times in a row.
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I think you already know the answer to that question, however il answer anyway, Dorian's forte was and always was his CONSISTENT conditioning...the 1 thing 98% of the others top guys back then missed (momo included) if you show up one day looking awesome with conditioning and win....obviously YOU have set the Bar not only for yourself but the others...so the next time you come in looking not as Conditioned as before and holding alittle water...the judges say "hes outta shape"
Yes Doria'ns back improved from 1990 to 1991....that was the 1 point that was raised after he lost to momo if you want to make direct comparisons between momo and Yates, yates muscular bulk and his conditioning in 1991 was on par with his 1990 NOC showing even though Dorian was several lbs heavier etc,etc
You know as well as i do your skeletal structure is there...that doesn't change, what does change is the condition of your physique from show to show....Dorian was more Consistent for the standard he set for himself and the others, he obviously did it better than the others... History shows this to be true 6 Times in a row.
Spot-on !
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meltdown
You're a liar and you knowingly posted photoshopped pics and made up quotes.
wow, what a great rebuttal..
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I have NEVER made up quotes. ever.
you know the pics and vids were unaltered, I proved that and you know it. so did Kevin, hence why he disappeared from that thread upon seeing the proof.
and it eats you up inside..
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wow, what a great rebuttal..
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I have NEVER made up quotes. ever. you know the pics and vids were unaltered, I proved that and you know it. so did Kevin, hence why he disappeared from that thread upon seeing the proof.
and it eats you up inside..
Thats a fucking lie and you know it.. or maybe you don't, and you truely do believe all the bullshit that comes out of your mouth because youre mentally ill.
What about that quote from Shawn Ray, that you seem unable to post? Hmm?
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the quote is right there in Flex.
look it up if you still have the mag. I do not anymore. but anyone with it can scan it and shut you idiots up forever.
shawn referred to dorian as 'bigger but not better' at the 93 olympia.
an obvious reference to the fact that dorian was not as sharp as he was in 92, where his abs and pecs were at their sharpest. and his waist had not had balloned up to its 93+ size..
I don't know whats worse - you guys trying to deny the pics and vids or trying to deny the quotes printed in the magazines.
either way, its always same with you:
reality shoots down our argument for dorian being better, so lets try and insist that the pics vids and quotes are not real..
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Uh, Hulkster, tell me you are not asserting that 93 wasn't Dorian's most dominant win, and arguably the most dominant Mr. O win ever...
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the quote is right there in Flex.
look it up if you still have the mag. I do not anymore. but anyone with it can scan it and shut you idiots up forever.
shawn referred to dorian as 'bigger but not better' at the 93 olympia.
an obvious reference to the fact that dorian was not as sharp as he was in 92, where his abs and pecs were at their sharpest. and his waist had not had balloned up to its 93+ size..
I don't know whats worse - you guys trying to deny the pics and vids or trying to deny the quotes printed in the magazines.
either way, its always same with you:
reality shoots down our argument for dorian being better, so lets try and insist that the pics vids and quotes are not real..
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lol.
Thats not what you said originally. And then ND came out and embarrassed you for making up quotes.
Genius... Kevin Horton came on here and embarrassed you by pointing out you were using sharpened images and screencaps. LOL! Trying to pass off an opinion as fact, is not "reality", thats called "fantasy" there friend.
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Lol, of course Shawn Ray said "bigger isn't better"....he competed at like 205.
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the quote is right there in Flex.
look it up if you still have the mag. I do not anymore. but anyone with it can scan it and shut you idiots up forever.
shawn referred to dorian as 'bigger but not better' at the 93 olympia.
Using 'proof' by quoting a known crybaby that was always too small to win? You're pretending Dorian wasn't in awesome winning shape in '93?
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the quote is right there in Flex.
look it up if you still have the mag. I do not anymore. but anyone with it can scan it and shut you idiots up forever.
shawn referred to dorian as 'bigger but not better' at the 93 olympia.
an obvious reference to the fact that dorian was not as sharp as he was in 92, where his abs and pecs were at their sharpest. and his waist had not had balloned up to its 93+ size..
I don't know whats worse - you guys trying to deny the pics and vids or trying to deny the quotes printed in the magazines.
either way, its always same with you:
reality shoots down our argument for dorian being better, so lets try and insist that the pics vids and quotes are not real..
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Uh-oh someone is trying to lie his way out of looking really fucking stupid ;) you're to fucking stupid to believe you honestly are ...this is your original quote
Hulkster GetBig January 18th
Shawn Ray mentions dorian's 93 loss of hardess in the Flex mag review of the contest...and like ND loves to say, he was there!
Shawn mentions Dorian's loss of hardness? your quote ...you committed to this
Shawn's original quote posted verbatim from Flex
Flex Magazine January 1994 , page 101 quote Shawn Ray
" Me and Dorian are like apples and oranges : There's absolutely no similarity between our physiques. What we have here is a revamped , ( continued on page 102 ) new-attitude Shawn Ray agaisnt a Dorian Yates who is bigger , which doesn't necessarily mean better! "
In quieter moments , Yates confides that the recation to his win ( 1992 ) by some sections of the bodybuilding community vexed him. Many wrote his off as a one-time Mr. Olympia. Proof of his simmering irritation was provided by a poster that adorned his gym in Birmingham , England. The poster's inscription read: " 1993 Mr Olympia , Atlanta. To all the disbelievers , kiss my ass! "
Yates may not have been thinking about his rivals , but the reverse was certainly not true. The leading contenders had heard the rumors of an unbelievable Yates guest-posing in New York in July , and several of then ( including Paul Dillett and Flex Wheeler ) had a pre-Olympia sight of the photos of the 269-pound Yates that appeared in the December issue of Flex.
At Thursday's press conference , there seemed to be a general mood of fatalism - unless Yates had inexplicably screwed up in the last couple of weeks , the 1993 Mr. Olympia contest was for second place.
Hey wait a minute absolutely NO WHERE does Shawn mention ' Dorian's loss of hardness ' he claimed ( wrongly ) that just because Dorian is bigger ( than him ) that he's not better .
You're a liar , and that's what happens when you lie stupid you can't keep track of your bullshit , Dorian never lost any hardness from 1992 to 1993 ..you made that up and I called you out on it and embarrassed you.
Kevin Horton exposed you for your photoshopped pics he was smart enough to not go tit-for-tat with a fucking idiot like you , he make you look like the moron you are and moved on. your shits old , you're pathetic with your constant bashing , hi-jacking and lying , do us all a favor and pick up a book on the subject do some reading this way you wont get constantly exposed for the moron you are.
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Lol, of course Shawn Ray said "bigger isn't better"....he competed at like 205.
Hulkster has comprehension issues , he can't grasp anything which is why he also thinks Ronnie 1999 has more detailed calves than Dorian ever did. ::)
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Uh, Hulkster, tell me you are not asserting that 93 wasn't Dorian's most dominant win, and arguably the most dominant Mr. O win ever...
X2 = Dorian crushed everyone in 93 his best year, everyone else should of stayed home.
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no, they are not selective pics.
they are representative pics. good pics of both bodybuilders in similar poses under similar conditions, like I always post.
just because they tend to show ronnie is better doesn't make them wrong to use.
it just means that they are an excellent reprentation of how both looked.
the fact that dorian gets crushed is just a consequence of ronnie betting better. its that simple.
its not my fault.
but it does drive you nuthuggers crazy. as it should. your hero was not as good and it shows all the time. and you hate that. :P
First off I would say that the conditions of the pictures taken are not the same, so they are not an accurate comparison. Just think that both pictures have been taken at a different time and place, that they have a different lighting and that they are at different angles shows they are not good for comparison. They can give a slight idea of a comparison, but its far from accurate.
Secondly, Dorian is not my "hero". I admire both Dorian and Ronnie, but here I see ND making good arguments and explaining how Dorian would beat Ronnie. Yet, you can't do the opposite and just post your pictures.
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He can't , he wont and never could.
He argued Ronnie has better conditioning in 1999 a year Ronnie specifically said wasn't his best and 1998 was because his conditioning was spot-on he dismissed Ronnie as a liar , he lies about everything
He mistakenly claimed Ronnie has better balance & proportion than Dorian , when Dorian was asked to speak on the subject he said specifically he was better balanced than Ronnie and had better conditioning and if anyone would know he would because he's an IFBB judge
I don't think he's tried Ronnie was better at posing & presentation but I wouldn't put it past his stupidity , neither is Lee Labrada at posing but it's clear Dorian has mastered the mandatory poses and can do them correctly
Hulkster has absolutely nothing he's been wrong on every single ' point ' he's made and he's pissed off because I'm the guy who rubbed his nose in the shit he's typed , which is exactly why he's in every single Dorian thread spewing the same old lines
Yes, the more I read this thread the more I realize it.
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LMMFAO excellent arguments
like this gem? Dorian is the most overrated bodybuilder of all time because he's so great ;D
Ronnie has more detailed calves than Dorian did ;)
Ronnie dominated a contest he lost the entire prejudging in ::)
1994 was fixed and 2001 wasn't
Ronnie in 1999 was more grainy than Dorian ever was ???
1998 wasn't close but Ronnie won by only three points :-\
1999 is Ronnie's best showing ever but not one single expert says so :D
Dorian only won because he faced smaller guys , ( Dillett , Fux , Nasser , Ian Harrison , Fancios Ferrigno )
Dorian was nothing more than calves and a back
This is just a small sample of ' excellent arguments ' and this is just the shit I can think of off the top of my head , I could make you look even more stupid if I did search the Truce Thread
You're stupid and everyone knows it except you .
Oh dear, did Hulkster actually post that as his "points"? That really show his lack of objectivity and his bias for Ronnie.
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Well the answer to your question is simple...no he shouldn't of beaten Dorian in 1994, the fact is or was Dorian has a superior skeletal structure than Shawn...and 99% of the others back then, (key word being skeletal structure not Genetics) Shawn was in Fantastic shape in 1994 however nothing could change the fact that his legs were quiet short in relation to the Total balance of his upper-body and all round structure, Nasser was the same, Both Lee Haney and Dorian Yates had Superior Skeletal Structures than both those BB greats, and this is what alot of people don't understand about both Haney and Yates...the mandatory poses like Front relaxed...side relaxed....turn to the rear relax...these are the FIRST impressions Judges get of the people in question...They are assessing the Skeletal structure and BALANCE of the Physique....not whos got better arms, quads, chest, then things like conditioning, muscle flow etc etc come into play.
Until people learn to assess these points on balance, and structure, and then other factors like shape,conditioning, etc come AFTER the first 2 points mentioned...well this is the reason for the non stop hes better than him posts.
Great response, I understand now, thanks.
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Hulkster once again getting owned. Dorian's '93 victory is not only one of the most dominant ever, but he won against the best version of Flex. Flex's physique at that Olympia would have won the title in probably 14 or 15 of the next editions.
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lol this has to be the biggest single peice of bullshit ND has ever posted. and that is saying alot.
none of the pics I post are photoshopped, none of the videos are faked. I publicly proved this to Kevin and we all know what happened next: he ran. he knew he was wrong about the pics and videos that Bizzy had done. forgot about that part, didn't you Flowerboy? ::)
and the dorian shots I post are consistent with those I post of ronnie.
eg.: both at their bests, dorian gets killed as always.
but ND can't deal with that, neither can his bitches, so they complain the pics are biased against dorian, even though they are exellent shots of him at his best (in this case, 1993).
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You're doing it again Hulkster. ::)
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Exactly everything is assessed at once ..... All rounds are physique rounds every single pose ALL of the criteria is assessed at once and the judges are instructed to give it to the guy who most satisfies ALL of the criteria
You bring up the standing relaxed from the back , judges look and directly compare each of the competitors they start from the head down and look to see who has is carrying the most muscular bulk ( Dorian 262lbs in 1994 and Shawn 205lbs ) Dorian wins this part , they check for balance & proportion or ' symmetry ' which is misleading because there when people think of symmetry they either think of left/right exactness which does NOT exist in nature noting is truly symmetrical
Another part people most often associate symmetry with is small waist , hips , joints etc and they would be correct however they often omit muscular balance & proportion , torso length , leg length , arm length , how all of these tie together , Shawn does have better ' symmetry ' than Dorian , but Dorian has better balance & proportion . Like you mentioned Shawn has short legs , high calves , long torso , Dorian has excellent balance & proportion but being an almost pure mesomorph he also has bigger joints and a naturally wider waist than someone like Shawn & Flex who have very light frames
This is what 99.9% of people cannot grasp ..symmetry is NOT I repeat NOT judged as a separate and distinct entity in the ' symmetry round ' all rounds are physique rounds and all of the criteria is assessed at once , so while Shawn has advantages in ' symmetry ' over Dorian he's also lacking clearly in balance & proportion and muscular bulk , so you can see Dorian is distancing himself when all of the criteria is applied
Conditioning is area where Shawn comes close because he was razor sharp in 1994 but I mean it's relatively easy to be hard and dry when you're 205 pounds and a whole other ball of wax when you're 262 pounds , and being dry is one thing being dry and dense while carrying the maximum amount of size is next to impossible , Shawn knows this because he tried to add some size and compete at 215 pounds and you guessed it his conditioning suffered for it
Another aspect people can't seem to comprehend is the posing rounds , many say how can Ronnie and Dorian win the posing rounds when neither are technically great posers , which all goes back to All rounds are physique rounds even in the posing rounds , the judges are assessing who is carrying more muscular bulk , who is harder & drier , who is more balanced , who is proportionate which is exactly why Dorian always won the posing rounds despite not being as technically a great poser like Lee Labrada
Posing & presentation , it's all how you act on-stage , if you're confident , if you show off your physique to it's best advantage , if you can hold and maintain mandatory poses for long periods of time without shaking and bending over breathing heavy , it's all about confidence and poise and it's all about meeting all of the judging criteria because they don't separate it in any round in any pose.
Taking all that into account anyone who thinks Shawn Ray should have beaten Dorian in 1994 is just ignorant of how contests are judged and or biased towards physiques-styles they find appealing and or marketable , but going by how contests are judged 1994 was NO contest what-so-ever and Shawn was very lucky to beat Kevin Levrone for second a feat which he managed to do by one one single point.
The above reasons is why Dorian kicked everyones ass and the exact same reasons he would beat Ronnie .
Hulkster on a side note that's how an intelligent , factual , cognizant and objective argument laid out , you should try it some time but I'm afraid stupidity prevents you from looking past your own bias and ignorance.
Excellent information.
I just learned more on how contests are judged. :)
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LOL from ND? might as well learn from a 3 year old.. :-\
ps the issue about the quote is not whether or not shawn was correct, but whether or not the quote was stated. I was accused of making it up, which obviously and as always was not true.
the nuthuggers are always trying to catch me in some sort of lie or posting some sort of fake pic, but in several years of trying, they always come up short.
and for good reason. I never do.
end of story. ::)
its just another tactic in a long futile argument to argue that dorian is better than ronnie..
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I think you already know the answer to that question, however il answer anyway, Dorian's forte was and always was his CONSISTENT conditioning...the 1 thing 98% of the others top guys back then missed (momo included) if you show up one day looking awesome with conditioning and win....obviously YOU have set the Bar not only for yourself but the others...so the next time you come in looking not as Conditioned as before and holding alittle water...the judges say "hes outta shape"
Yes Doria'ns back improved from 1990 to 1991....that was the 1 point that was raised after he lost to momo if you want to make direct comparisons between momo and Yates, yates muscular bulk and his conditioning in 1991 was on par with his 1990 NOC showing even though Dorian was several lbs heavier etc,etc
You know as well as i do your skeletal structure is there...that doesn't change, what does change is the condition of your physique from show to show....Dorian was more Consistent for the standard he set for himself and the others, he obviously did it better than the others... History shows this to be true 6 Times in a row.
Well what you're saying in this post is true. But your previous post seemed to claim that the relative sizes of different bodyparts don't matter, which is why I pointed to Momo beating Dorian on what most people agreed to be mostly back size/detail issues. I think since there are different poses which showcase particular bodyparts with competitors side by side it does become important who has the biggest most ripped whatever. Obviously flow and proportion within the physique are important too, but you still get people like Joel Stubbs winning certain back shots and losing ab and thigh shots, so it does come into play. Of course if you have amazing symmetry then smaller quads may be overlooked if they fit the physique perfectly, but in the 2004 Olympia challenge round Dexter's seemingly superior ab and thigh got beat by Ronnie because even with his distended gut Ronnie's quads were just 3 times bigger and they had to give it to Ronnie.
I suppose there's loads of examples each way, but clearly bodypart comparisons do matter. Skeleton-wise: Jay has short legs, Ronnie and Arnie had long legs, Dorian was somewhere in between. You can be Mr Olympia either way with big/conditioned enough muscles.
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LOL from ND? might as well learn from a 3 year old.. :-\
ps the issue about the quote is not whether or not shawn was correct, but whether or not the quote was stated. I was accused of making it up, which obviously and as always was not true.
the nuthuggers are always trying to catch me in some sort of lie or posting some sort of fake pic, but in several years of trying, they always come up short.
and for good reason. I never do.
end of story. ::)
its just another tactic in a long futile argument to argue that dorian is better than ronnie..
You're a liar an exposed liar it's old news and if you think you can type your way out of it you can't
You stupidly claimed Dorian's conditioning when he added more weight from 1992 to 1993 suffered for it and you claimed Shawn Ray even mentioned Dorian's loss of hardness in the Flex magazine contest review , you ignorantly thinking no one would call you on your made up quote , I have the magazine and busted you
NO WHERE does he mention Dorian's ' loss of hardness ' you made that up and I busted you. Do yourself a favor stick your tail between your legs and go lick your wounds and go hi-jack another thread
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shawn said it about Yates at the 94.
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There was a comment from Shawn Ray about Dorian Yates' "loss of hardness" in 93 but it didn't appear in the Olympia review. It appeared in Flex Magazine a month or two after the review. I still have the mag in my collection but can't get it to scan the article right now.
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There was a comment from Shawn Ray about Dorian Yates' "loss of hardness" in 93 but it didn't appear in the Olympia review. It appeared in Flex Magazine a month or two after the review. I still have the mag in my collection but can't get it to scan the article right now.
Even entertaining he did say it he's like Hulkster out of the realm of reality , he claimed he beat Dorian in every pose except the latspread in 1996 ::)
ronman Magazine Jan 1994
I.F.B.B. judge Roger Schwab
Man-mountain Dorian Yates was certainly the top gun in the 1993 Mr Olympia shootout. He was much bigger , better and harder than ever , and while his is never the prettiest physique on stage , he's assuredly the most God-awful muscular superman this sport has yet seen. Though Yates was lighter than Lou Ferrigno or Paul Dillett , he appeared to be the biggest man on stage-by far- and the hardest , dominating from beginning to end and every step in between.
There was NO loss of hardness even if he did say it
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Even entertaining he did say it he's like Hulkster out of the realm of reality , he claimed he beat Dorian in every pose except the latspread in 1996 ::)
ronman Magazine Jan 1994
I.F.B.B. judge Roger Schwab
Man-mountain Dorian Yates was certainly the top gun in the 1993 Mr Olympia shootout. He was much bigger , better and harder than ever , and while his is never the prettiest physique on stage , he's assuredly the most God-awful muscular superman this sport has yet seen. Though Yates was lighter than Lou Ferrigno or Paul Dillett , he appeared to be the biggest man on stage-by far- and the hardest , dominating from beginning to end and every step in between.
There was NO loss of hardness even if he did say it
Shawn Ray was a sore loser anyway. A few years later in 1997 he said that Yates' 93 form was unbeatable.
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even when both are in offseason shape, its embarassing for yates:
especially considering that the nuthuggers are orgasming over pics like this of yates in the other thread LMAO:
Another typical Hulkster comparison -- the only way he can prove his point is to show an "off season" Ronnie (really close to contest condition) against a truly off-season Dorian. Here's a much more fair comparison.
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LOL no matter what pics you choose, dorian always gets crushed.
thanks for posting that.
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LOL no matter what pics you choose, dorian always gets crushed.
thanks for posting that.
All I see is Dorian's superior structure, density, and balance crushings Ronnie's unbalanced mass of freaky bodyparts. ;D
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when I met Dorian he wasn't much more the 225 lbs and he looks like he was on crack. He was very nice and took alot of pictures with me and my son.
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LOL no matter what pics you choose, dorian always gets crushed.
thanks for posting that.
Further proof of how biased you are....Dorian always gets crushed according to you regardless of how clear it is that he and Ronnie are neck-in-neck for the best ever. Honestly, your credibility is waning by the second. No one on here even takes you seriously anymore.
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Further proof of how biased you are....Dorian always gets crushed according to you regardless of how clear it is that he and Ronnie are neck-in-neck for the best ever. Honestly, your credibility is waning by the second. No one on here even takes you seriously anymore.
Hulkster will always be a total joke. I mean he calls people nuthuggers which is very ironic seeing as how his infactuation with Ronnie far surpases anyone elses with Dorian or any other bodybuilder. He refuses to see or acknowledge how great Dorian was despite the fact that EVERY industry insider, competitor, editor, writer and judge will consider him one of if the not the greatest of all time. Hulkster is just a simple schmoe.
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Hulkster will always be a total joke. I mean he calls people nuthuggers which is very ironic seeing as how his infactuation with Ronnie far surpases anyone elses with Dorian or any other bodybuilder. He refuses to see or acknowledge how great Dorian was despite the fact that EVERY industry insider, competitor, editor, writer and judge will consider him one of if the not the greatest of all time. Hulkster is just a simple schmoe.
QFT ;D
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Hulkster, while you are entitled to your opinion, you are such a troll. The only way you can attempt to back up your bullshit claims is to make up what this or that magazine said, only to be proven completely wrong by the truth. It's fine that you obsessively hate Dorian, however, you constantly make an ass out of yourself doing so.
Was Dorian off in 94 compared to 93 and/or 95/96? Yes, I think he was; tearing a bicep and ceasing training weeks before the contest will cause that. Did he still deserve to win? Absolutely--he completely outmassed Ray and was essentially equal on conditioning. He was that good. Face it.
1994 Dorian BUTCHERED the 1996 version of Dorian. NO CONTEST.