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americans need to get in line and listen to their strong president.
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Heil Bush!
Heil Bush!
Heil Bush!
Heil Bush!
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BOHICA
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Is he kidding?.....i go lift at lunch and I loose the bubble on everything. >:(
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just give it time. we're just seeing a snapshot of the beginning stages.
lets call it the first wave to democracy.
yes another 4 years and 3500 killed 20,000 wounded and 400 billion in debt and we will reassess then. ::)
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Is Enigma using this Neurotoxin gimmick?
As far as gimmick's go it's not that bad, some of the posts are even pretty funny.
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No i think we're getting somewhere but its a little late I guess. I'm willing to give ita bit of time.
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a drop in the bucket (in skeletal bones) compared to vietnam.
So then it's ok, everything is fine and there's no problem with 3500 killed because more were killed in Vietnam.
And if you think about it there's nothing wrong with Vietnam because more were killed in WW2
Your logic is sound.
Meanwhile, it's a good thing for things like body armor and modern battle field medicine becuase the 3500+ would be much higher....but even then it's all ok because there were more deaths in Vietnam.
I feel better now.
You should mail your thoughts to all the mothers who lost a son in this. it will help them feel better too.
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In any decent sense..your right. However we have to make a stand now. Here's my point...if we walk away it will send the wrong message and invite more attacks. Thats based on historical evidence. Bin laden took our retreat from Somalia, coupled with our retreat from Beruit, coupled with the Air war in Kosovo and Bosnia along with everything Clinton did during his administration and figured we'd puss out. We cannot allow these guys to get a fooothold anywhere. They threaten the entire western world. Now I believe we have to pull back....and eventually pull out. I think it can be done gradually and we have to make sure the damm Iraqi Army can function.
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In any decent sense..your right. However we have to make a stand now. Here's my point...if we walk away it will send the wrong message and invite more attacks. Thats based on historical evidence. Bin laden took our retreat from Somalia, coupled with our retreat from Beruit, coupled with the Air war in Kosovo and Bosnia along with everything Clinton did during his administration and figured we'd puss out. We cannot allow these guys to get a fooothold anywhere. They threaten the entire western world. Now I believe we have to pull back....and eventually pull out. I think it can be done gradually and we have to make sure the damm Iraqi Army can function.
And you can our retreat from Afghanistan to that too.
I agree, you have good points there. this whole thing is such a mess with little sight of a viable solution.
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Yeah every time I say we gotta go..i have no idea how..except we gotta do something..the surge is something and I would giove it until Sept. I have a ton of respect for Petreus.
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I agree, you have good points there. this whole thing is such a mess with little sight of a viable solution.
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I would like to believe so.
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like in all good business', it's a numbers game. even if we double the 3500, we're still well below the american publics allowable death count.
if not, congress would have acted long ago.
the numbers aren't high enough........yet.
thank God the surge is working as planned.
We're already at an unacceptable death count, I think the polls show that. The overwhelming majority of Americans don't agree with this war anymore and don't like the job Bush is doing.
I don't think Congress cares one bit about our "acceptable death" limit. Clearly their actions or lack of action are not based on what the American people think. We're not close enough to a voting cycle for them to pander to the public.
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IT COULD ALWAYS BE WORSE.
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like in all good business', it's a numbers game. even if we double the 3500, we're still well below the american publics allowable death count.
if not, congress would have acted long ago.
the numbers aren't high enough........yet.
thank God the surge is working as planned.
Congress is acting. It's all part of a commy plot to overthrow our way of life by those who hate freedom and peace.
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We're already at an unacceptable death count, I think the polls show that. The overwhelming majority of Americans don't agree with this war anymore and don't like the job Bush is doing.
I don't think Congress cares one bit about our "acceptable death" limit. Clearly their actions or lack of action are not based on what the American people think. We're not close enough to a voting cycle for them to pander to the public.
the question is, is what progress have we shown in the last 4 years to justify more death and expense?
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lf your statement was correct, congress would have acted.
don't believe the polls.
However, we must be united in the idea that polls are valid only when they serve our purposes.
This is vital to the restoration of true freedom monitored of course by big brother.
For example: "Time Magazine man of the year" G.W. Bush is a solid indication of the man's wisdom and forsight.
BUT, if you bring up former people who were also Time Magazine men of the year: such as Hitler, Carter, Clinton and Komeini then Time Magazine is a pink=o leftest liberally slanted rag.
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the question is, is what progress have we shown in the last 4 years to justify more death and expense?
None, we haven't shown any progress that would justify more death and expense. In fact we've had very little progress at all, I think your other thread proves that. The governmental system we put in place has failed miserably, and miserably is being kind.
From a purely financial viewpoint we're going to be feeling the effects of this war for a long long time. The death and injuries of our soldiers won't have any lasting impact, sadly we'll put them out of our mind in a relatively short period of time.
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Based on the criteria...Everybody but Carter should be on that list..he's an idiot of the higest magnitude.
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None, we haven't shown any progress that would justify more death and expense. In fact we've had very little progress at all, I think your other thread proves that. The governmental system we put in place has failed miserably, and miserably is being kind.
From a purely financial viewpoint we're going to be feeling the effects of this war for a long long time. The death and injuries of our soldiers won't have any lasting impact, sadly we'll put them out of our mind in a relatively short period of time.
Point two......absofuckinglutl ey. NOBODY CARES UNLESS ITS ELECTION TIME
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None, we haven't shown any progress that would justify more death and expense. In fact we've had very little progress at all, I think your other thread proves that. The governmental system we put in place has failed miserably, and miserably is being kind.
From a purely financial viewpoint we're going to be feeling the effects of this war for a long long time. The death and injuries of our soldiers won't have any lasting impact, sadly we'll put them out of our mind in a relatively short period of time.
yeah when you think of what 400 billion can buy and how long it's going to affect our government and economy, our ability to give aid and fund support programs it seems like a monumental waste of money to me considering the perceived threat is thousand of miles away. What if we put 200 billion in homeland security?
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lf your statement was correct, congress would have acted.
don't believe the polls.
As I said in the previous post, we're not close enough to an election cycle for Congress to care what we think.
By your logic then we shouldn't believe that the American public is unhappy with Congress even though the polls say they are. And you know, in this instance I think the polls show what most people already know. At least in this part of the country I don't need a poll to know what people think, I hear it and see it everyday. I think that's the same with most people.
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In fairness to the rest of us...Cadio is in the People's Democratic Republic of Massachusetts where liberalism is like a religion. My relatives don't even understand me. They can't imagine serving in the military...this generation anyway. That despite having Mitt Romney as governor. The Coasts are polarized left.
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In fairness to the rest of us...Cadio is in the People's Democratic Republic of Massachusetts where liberalism is like a religion. My relatives don't even understand me. They can't imagine serving in the military...this generation anyway. That despite having Mitt Romney as governor. The Coasts are polarized left.
LOL, that's the line used for Cambridge. The People's Republic of Cambridge.
BTW, you're way overstating it, liberals aren't the powerhouse they once were here. In fact outside of Deval Patrick (crook) we've had Republican Governors for more than a decade and there are many powerful republicans in local and state Government. No offense but you're not up here anymore, there are a lot of Republicans and Independents in New England.
And if you're agreeing with Enigma Neurotoxin that means you can't use the negative polls for Congress to make a point.
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I don't use polls period....who they hell do they poll anyway. Yeah I know I'm not up there but my full family is and I read the Globe every morning. I guess with all the money up there folks are seeing the light ;D
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I don't use polls period....who they hell do they poll anyway. Yeah I know I'm not up there but my full family is and I read the Globe every morning. I guess with all the money up there folks are seeing the light ;D
That's a good question.
The Globe is a liberal rag but it's still a quality paper, I just don't read the editorials or opinion pieces. You should read the Herald too, it tries to go a little bit to the right in comparison to the Globe.
Since you read the Globe and you have family up here I'm sure you know that MA and New England have had their fair share of soldiers die in Iraq. It seems like twice a week there's a new story about a soldier from around here dying.
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Some Germans started to lose faith in Hitler after he left 1/4 million to die at Stalingrad. Boy, were they wrong
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19719435/
CIA assessment given to Bush LONG ago. ::)
Get rid of this guy now, regardless of the inconvenience.
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surprise, surprise, the m.s.m. attacking our president.
Actually it was Spook inc on the attack.
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So then it's ok, everything is fine and there's no problem with 3500 killed because more were killed in Vietnam.
And if you think about it there's nothing wrong with Vietnam because more were killed in WW2
Your logic is sound.
Meanwhile, it's a good thing for things like body armor and modern battle field medicine becuase the 3500+ would be much higher....but even then it's all ok because there were more deaths in Vietnam.
I feel better now.
You should mail your thoughts to all the mothers who lost a son in this. it will help them feel better too.
I'll write the mothers and tell them. You know, when you join the army there is a possibility you will be shot at.
Sorry this came as a total suprise.
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I'll write the mothers and tell them. You know, when you join the army there is a possibility you will be shot at.
Sorry this came as a total suprise.
nah, can't be. most joined up for the college plan! combat? please..only the infantry fights..you'll be in the rear with the gear.
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I'll write the mothers and tell them. You know, when you join the army there is a possibility you will be shot at.
Sorry this came as a total suprise.
Yes but sensless continued slaugher w/ no solution is pointless. Its about Oil securety, or we'd be gone allready.
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dead iraqi's = less terrorists.
What does dead American soldiers equal?
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What does dead American soldiers equal?
Less of a business expensive as far as VA is concerned.
Hurt ones are expensive.
Its looks pointless at this juncture.
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What does dead American soldiers equal?
Sacrifice knowing what they volunteered for!
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Sacrifice knowing what they volunteered for!
Well, many are patriotic. Many need a job to support themself.
Yea it they choice this war... Most dont join w/ the idea that they will be wasted for nothing, and thats what its looking like. It was a "terrible misscalculation" was Bush I Fav saying about Saddam invading.
Well, W screwed up way worse than That.
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It seems odd to me that certain people that aren't soldiers and don't have any offspring or siblings that are soldiers would be so cavalier about the death of Americans doing the job they're so gung ho about. Those dead soldiers are human beings for schit's sake not disposable razors.
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i'm hearing lots of excuses. these guys signed up to become killers, so basicly they got what they asked for.
They did?
Interesting because I've known about 8 National Guard members that DID NOT sign up to become killers that are over there. And I'm guessing it's the same way with nearly all of them.
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i'm hearing lots of excuses. these guys signed up to become killers, so basicly they got what they asked for.
Well, I supose that argument could be made. Myself, I feel sorry for them. A Bro is a dissabled vet long before the Iraq conflict. Not combat related. Hes prolly lucky to have the health care.
Its staggering at the VA hospitals today. I cant help but feel bad.
Yup, they did join. We need a army. I think it was misused by a fool.
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They did?
Interesting because I've known about 8 National Guard members that DID NOT sign up to become killers that are over there. And I'm guessing it's the same way with nearly all of them.
Well, they did join the guard. Joining and thinking you'll never have to go war IS STUPID!
No free ride babby. YOu join, you may go to war.
The Millitary is about Defence, Killing and destruction. Dont claim diff. See how great it is at nation building?
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Well, they did join the guard. Joining and thinking you'll never have to go war IS STUPID!
No free ride babby. YOu join, you may go to war.
The Millitary is about Defence, Killing and destruction. Dont claim diff. See how great it is at nation building?
Yes, they joined the National Guard, not the Marines. Their desire wasn't to collect kills, it was to be a Guardsman.
Interesting situation up here in MA. So many of our Guardsmen are in Iraq that there's a huge shortage to do the things the state needs them to do. So the state is trying to make do with Police officers filling in for them, at huge expense.
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Yes, they joined the National Guard, not the Marines. Their desire wasn't to collect kills, it was to be a Guardsman.
Interesting situation up here in MA. So many of our Guardsmen are in Iraq that there's a huge shortage to do the things the state needs them to do. So the state is trying to make do with Police officers filling in for them, at huge expense.
Way too much has been asked of the same guys. Forced to not retire ::). Total bullshit.
But - You join mill - You may go to war no matter your classification and position. Thats mill.
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Way too much has been asked of the same guys. Forced to not retire ::). Total bullshit.
But - You join mill - You may go to war no matter your classification and position. Thats mill.
I agree completely, all I'm saying is that not all people that join the military do it for the opportunity to kill and the Guard is the perfect example of it.
In fact their main duty is stateside if I'm not mistaken.
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I agree completely, all I'm saying is that not all people that join the military do it for the opportunity to kill and the Guard is the perfect example of it.
In fact their main duty is stateside if I'm not mistaken.
Oh,MY missunderstanding. Ya, I think even most the Spec Op Boys Ive met in life dont join for that reason.
Its a part, esp today, but that was not why they joined. Some join for action. Nothing wrong w/ that.
I dont like the cry babies, but 4 tours and extended contracts is wrong for this war.
Exon, Halliburton, General Dynamics Alliant Tech.. etc are the ones owe these guys a big hand.
Those stocks are still hot kids... Im afaid they may be played out come next ellection, im prolly wrong though.
we be there 4 EVER!
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killing is what your trained to do in the military.
anyone who joins, is a potential paid, legal killer.
to say otherwise, is a joke.
Gimmick, who said otherwise?
Perhaps you missed my point about the REASON people join the National Guard. You know, as in why they want to be a weekend warrior.
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The Spec Ops Boys are awesome. These "Ultimate Killers" are making a well, or generator work for ppl dying for want of basic need as often as HALO jumping or blowing a bridge..
Their ideal is to make it so they dont have to fight. But do it on their own terms when they do.
Impressive bunch. Major respect.