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...while Obama lets in hundreds of thousands of illegals. How someone hasn't picked this clown off yet is beyond me.
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...while Obama lets in hundreds of thousands of illegals. How someone hasn't picked this clown off yet is beyond me.
Are you advocating the murder of the president of the United States of America?
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...while Obama lets in hundreds of thousands of illegals. How someone hasn't picked this clown off yet is beyond me.
Good...should have gave up his guns when he had the chance.
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...while Obama lets in hundreds of thousands of illegals. How someone hasn't picked this clown off yet is beyond me.
You need to cut out what you're saying you fucking moron. Threatening to assassinate the president is just asking for trouble. What the fuck is wrong with you. Disagree with him...fine...but threaten to kill President Obama is just plain uncalled for and this isn't the first time you've been warned
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Obama has time to play pool in Texas but not go to the border or help out this marine. Some potus we have eh?
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Wondering how someone hasnt gotten picked off = theatening/advocating assassination?
Lolwut ???
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Good...should have gave up his guns when he had the chance.
While Mexican Military incursions happen in the US on daily bases, you have the fucking nerve to say a "good a US citizen is locked up in a Mexican prison"? Fuck you, I would say I hope the same happens to you, but you would enjoy being Jose's bitch..................
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He can speak out for trayvon martin.
He can speak out for black professors who get slighted.
He will speak out for any black, anywhere, for anything.
But when an 82yr old white WW2 vet gets beaten to death by black thugs, he doesnt make a peep.
When a white vet languishes in a mexican prison for a ridiculous charge, he doesnt make a peep.
Obama is a left wing radical, plain and simple, and he cares for NOTHING or ANYONE who isnt part of his agenda.
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Good...should have gave up his guns when he had the chance.
.......what? based on what happened he told him he had fire arms right away.
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Obama has time to play pool in Texas but not go to the border or help out this marine. Some potus we have eh?
There's nothing he can do....he's under Mexico's jurisdiction. Everyone knows that
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While Mexican Military incursions happen in the US on daily bases, you have the fucking nerve to say a "good a US citizen is locked up in a Mexican prison"? Fuck you, I would say I hope the same happens to you, but you would enjoy being Jose's bitch..................
Yes I do have the nerve because I like having Hispanics around.
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Yes I do have the nerve because I like having Hispanics around.
For what sex?
Illegals are the biggest threat to blacks in this country that there is. Not whitey, not the gop, not the klan, nothing else but non skilled non English speaking illegals are what kills blacks more than anything.
But because its that ghetto homo Obama pimping illegals invading this country - you are ok with it why?
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He has no good reason for this other then expanding the base and more free hand outs.
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You need to cut out what you're saying you fucking moron. Threatening to assassinate the president is just asking for trouble. What the fuck is wrong with you. Disagree with him...fine...but threaten to kill President Obama is just plain uncalled for and this isn't the first time you've been warned
Quiet dummy, I didn't threaten him. Read it again ::)
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Yes I do have the nerve because I like having Hispanics around.
How does having hispanics around have any correlation to US military personal being locked up in a mexican jail?
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There's nothing he can do....he's under Mexico's jurisdiction. Everyone knows that
Yeah sure, there are no diplomatic means that can be used, the US never lets a foreign national off the hook ::)
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...while Obama lets in hundreds of thousands of illegals. How someone hasn't picked this clown off yet is beyond me.
Coach, can I take care of some of the equipment in your gym if you have to, uh, go away for a while?
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For what sex?
Illegals are the biggest threat to blacks in this country that there is. Not whitey, not the gop, not the klan, nothing else but non skilled non English speaking illegals are what kills blacks more than anything.
But because its that ghetto homo Obama pimping illegals invading this country - you are ok with it why?
SC, you live in NJ, right? I think you must have some Puerto Ricans but I'm wondering if you guys even have any Mexicans.
NJ is a long way from Mexico.
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SC, you live in NJ, right? I think you must have some Puerto Ricans but I'm wondering if you guys even have any Mexicans.
NJ is a long way from Mexico.
ny
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I live in SE Michigan..we have a shit ton of people of Mexican heritage around here...even though it is really super far from Mexico, You see...they have these things called automobiles. Really big automobiles with a number of seats on them are often called busses. Traveling by bus is a super cheap way for a large number of people to travel a very long distance in a relatively short time span.
it's truly fascinating...
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I live in SE Michigan..we have a shit ton of people of Mexican heritage around here...even though it is really super far from Mexico, You see...they have these things called automobiles. Really big automobiles with a number of seats on them are often called busses. Traveling by bus is a super cheap way for a large number of people to travel a very long distance in a relatively short time span.
it's truly fascinating...
LOL. I hear ya.
1st gen. Mexicans coming to Michigan probably came for farm-work, probably. So many may well have come by train is what I'm guessing.
BTW, in Michigan a "shit-ton" of Mexicans is considered what? 10%, maybe?
I live in SoCal right now so instead of using the term "shit-ton" to describe the number of Mexican folks in Michigan, I'd be more likely to use the term "a smattering".
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Fagbama and his ghetto booty ho bag wife belong in a Mexican prison for their crimes
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...while Obama lets in hundreds of thousands of illegals. How someone hasn't picked this clown off yet is beyond me.
Should post a link for this. (I had to google the US Marine in mexican jail story to get up-to-speed.)
Coach, this is something you probably know about. I mean, you've probably driven near the border or even across the border, right?
Some are saying that this marine is either lying or just a total idiot when he's saying that he got lost and that's why he crossed over into Mexico (with guns in his truck). They're saying there are huge signs that can't be missed warning of impending entry into Mexico.
What do you think?
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Should post a link for this. (I had to google the US Marine in mexican jail story to get up-to-speed.)
Coach, this is something you probably know about. I mean, you've probably driven near the border or even across the border, right?
Some are saying that this marine is either lying or just a total idiot when he's saying that he got lost and that's why he crossed over into Mexico (with guns in his truck). They're saying there are huge signs that can't be missed warning of impending entry into Mexico.
What do you think?
Sure, post it up. I've heard about it and If I recall it was debunked. You googled it and I'm sure you found a story to try and bolster your arguement. You have Obama fighting for Mexicans and Illegals in general but not for Americans. The same way he supports terrorism but shit's on our own military. You're desperately trying to make arguments for Obama in all thread that oppose him and getting railed in the process. What has he actually done for you to gain his support. WHY DID YOU VOTE FOR HIM?
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BTW, this situation surely sucks for the marine but he's lucky he's getting major media attention because this kind of thing happens to US citizens in countries other Mexico, too, and they aren't as lucky.
Anyone here besides me know the story of how American citizen Joe Gordon came to be locked up in a Thai prison for 14 months in 2011?:
In October 2011 when 55-year old American citizen Joe Gordon, who had been born in Thailand but had legally lived in America for the last 30 years, arrived by plane to Thailand (in order to get some cheaper medical treatment), he was arrested and sentenced to 2 and a half years imprisonment for having translated and posted excerpts from a banned book a few years earlier in America!
A US citizen was sentenced to hard time in a Thai prison for doing something years before in the USA where his actions weren't even remotely against the law.
Believe that bullshit? -- It's like if the marine had left his guns at home but was prosecuted in Mexico for having them anyway.
There is somewhat of a happy ending: Through the efforts of the US state department, he did end up getting a royal pardon after serving 14 months of his 36-month sentence.
BTW, my university-educated Thai wife has recently read the book, which is an unauthorized biography of the Thai king called The King Never Smiles, and says that it kicks ass. She says that the history taught to Thai kids, especially the relatively recent history of the monarchy in Thailand, is mostly bullshit.
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Joe, I am curious about something.
It is my understanding (I've only read one brief article on this case) that the soldier in question admitted he crossed the border into Mexico. If he did, shouldn't Mexico be able to prosecute him for violating their laws and handle the case as they would with anyone else on their soil?
So my question is what exactly is the issue here? Do you believe that Americans can act with impunity and disregard local laws when in a foreign nation?
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I've driven that part of the border and it is very easy to miss the last U.S. exit and wind up in Tijuana. I'm sure it's a common mistake. No way this kid should be locked up for over three months.
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Joe, I am curious about something.
It is my understanding (I've only read one brief article on this case) that the soldier in question admitted he crossed the border into Mexico. If he did, shouldn't Mexico be able to prosecute him for violating their laws and handle the case as they would with anyone else on their soil?
So my question is what exactly is the issue here? Do you believe that Americans can act with impunity and disregard local laws when in a foreign nation?
Sure
But as long the US government and Mexican government work in tandem to send us their dregs, this guy should get a pass.
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Sure, post it up. I've heard about it and If I recall it was debunked. You googled it and I'm sure you found a story to try and bolster your arguement. You have Obama fighting for Mexicans and Illegals in general but not for Americans. The same way he supports terrorism but shit's on our own military. You're desperately trying to make arguments for Obama in all thread that oppose him and getting railed in the process. What has he actually done for you to gain his support. WHY DID YOU VOTE FOR HIM?
Coach! Down boy!, lol Sincerely, mang, I'm not making an argument here. First I hadn't heard anything about this story until I saw your post so I'm saying it'd have been nice for you to post a link about the episode. That's all.
As far as asking you about the signage on the freeway regarding imminent entry into Mexico I was only asking you what you think because you live sorta close to the CA/Mexico border, don't you?
I, myself, just moved to the Inland Empire so I live fairly close to it, too, but it's been years and years since I've been as far South as even San Diego so I have no idea how easy it might be to accidentally enter Mexico while driving.
Re: My defense of Obama, I really don't think I'm some kind of fanboy. It's more like maybe I read too many comic books as a kid or something but I'll defend almost anyone I don't pretty much hate when I feel he or she isn't getting a fair shake. And, I'm not sure if it's because he's black or what, but folks are definitely going overboard with the Obama hate.
Also, to be honest, I kinda like going against the grain or being a contrarian or whatever you want to call it. And that means that on this forum, I'm gonna end up sticking up for Obama more often than not. Only here, though. Not on liberal sites --- I had a straight war with some self-proclaimed black female PhD who said she worked as a university professor over on crooksandliars.com recently for having the nerve to defend Anthony from the Opie & Anthony show over his recent racist tirade that led to him getting fired. Holy shit, that super-prickly woman took offense to nearly everything I said -- It was beautiful, lol.
BTW, I only voted for Obama the first time. Last election I did not vote for him because he didn't seem like he was even trying to do some of the things (that I consider important) that he'd promised to do.
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Sure, post it up. I've heard about it and If I recall it was debunked. You googled it and I'm sure you found a story to try and bolster your arguement. You have Obama fighting for Mexicans and Illegals in general but not for Americans. The same way he supports terrorism but shit's on our own military. You're desperately trying to make arguments for Obama in all thread that oppose him and getting railed in the process. What has he actually done for you to gain his support. WHY DID YOU VOTE FOR HIM?
BTW, so you think I get "railed" here? LOL
To that I've gotta say "not even". Almost all of the people here I've argued with aren't even in the same league with some of the otherwise smart folks over on Reddit who I'm pretty sure are frothing at the mouth when they're arguing with me over steroid use.
As you'd expect, of course, I'm repping GetBig by arguing the pro-steroid side. lol
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I've driven that part of the border and it is very easy to miss the last U.S. exit and wind up in Tijuana. I'm sure it's a common mistake. No way this kid should be locked up for over three months.
Common mistake or not, should Mexico be allowed to enforce their laws and prosecute offenders or not?
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Common mistake or not, should Mexico be allowed to enforce their laws and prosecute offenders or not?
Sure they should. But this kid wasn't an arms dealer. My understanding is he called 911 as soon as he realized he had mistakenly crossed the border. Hardly the conduct of someone trying to sneak guns into another country.
I don't think we should sit back and do nothing. No, we shouldn't send troops across the border and break the guy out. But diplomatic pressure? No question. There is a lot more the president should be doing to bring this kid home.
Also, anything related to Baja California's and Mexico's law enforcement is suspect IMO. They are corrupt. That has to be part of the analysis, even if it isn't stated publicly.
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Solution:
Don't visit any country with screwed up laws and systems.
Like those "hikers" that happened to be picked up on the wrong side of the iran order. Who really says "hey, let's go to a nation that's our enemy and get right up on those borders, awesome scenery bro!"
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I've driven that part of the border and it is very easy to miss the last U.S. exit and wind up in Tijuana. I'm sure it's a common mistake. No way this kid should be locked up for over three months.
True...he should be locked up for much longer.
This is no different than our argument over the soldier who went into Canada with firearms.
If you're gonna have guns you act and behave like a fucking ADULT.
Know where you are. Know where you are going. Know the laws, rules, and regulations of all areas around you.
He can sit in that Mexican shithole which is exactly what he deserves until he grows the fuck up.
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Sure, post it up. I've heard about it and If I recall it was debunked. You googled it and I'm sure you found a story to try and bolster your arguement. You have Obama fighting for Mexicans and Illegals in general but not for Americans. The same way he supports terrorism but shit's on our own military. You're desperately trying to make arguments for Obama in all thread that oppose him and getting railed in the process. What has he actually done for you to gain his support. WHY DID YOU VOTE FOR HIM?
WHY DO YOU KEEP VOTING REPUBLICAN?
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He can speak out for trayvon martin.
He can speak out for black professors who get slighted.
He will speak out for any black, anywhere, for anything.
But when an 82yr old white WW2 vet gets beaten to death by black thugs, he doesnt make a peep.
When a white vet languishes in a mexican prison for a ridiculous charge, he doesnt make a peep.
Obama is a left wing radical, plain and simple, and he cares for NOTHING or ANYONE who isnt part of his agenda.
You make some very good points. I agree.
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Coach! Down boy!, lol Sincerely, mang, I'm not making an argument here. First I hadn't heard anything about this story until I saw your post so I'm saying it'd have been nice for you to post a link about the episode. That's all.
As far as asking you about the signage on the freeway regarding imminent entry into Mexico I was only asking you what you think because you live sorta close to the CA/Mexico border, don't you?
I, myself, just moved to the Inland Empire so I live fairly close to it, too, but it's been years and years since I've been as far South as even San Diego so I have no idea how easy it might be to accidentally enter Mexico while driving.
Re: My defense of Obama, I really don't think I'm some kind of fanboy. It's more like maybe I read too many comic books as a kid or something but I'll defend almost anyone I don't pretty much hate when I feel he or she isn't getting a fair shake. And, I'm not sure if it's because he's black or what, but folks are definitely going overboard with the Obama hate.
Also, to be honest, I kinda like going against the grain or being a contrarian or whatever you want to call it. And that means that on this forum, I'm gonna end up sticking up for Obama more often than not. Only here, though. Not on liberal sites --- I had a straight war with some self-proclaimed black female PhD who said she worked as a university professor over on crooksandliars.com recently for having the nerve to defend Anthony from the Opie & Anthony show over his recent racist tirade that led to him getting fired. Holy shit, that super-prickly woman took offense to nearly everything I said -- It was beautiful, lol.
BTW, I only voted for Obama the first time. Last election I did not vote for him because he didn't seem like he was even trying to do some of the things (that I consider important) that he'd promised to do.
You should probably re-read your own posts then - As an amused yet depressed independent I view you as the 'D' equivalent of Soul Crusher. Partisan , knee jerk defense of the Dear Leader no matter what he does..
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Sure, post it up. I've heard about it and If I recall it was debunked. You googled it and I'm sure you found a story to try and bolster your arguement. You have Obama fighting for Mexicans and Illegals in general but not for Americans. The same way he supports terrorism but shit's on our own military. You're desperately trying to make arguments for Obama in all thread that oppose him and getting railed in the process. What has he actually done for you to gain his support. WHY DID YOU VOTE FOR HIM?
Here is a link to the FOX News take on this story. Since FOX News tends to be more rightwing, I figured you'd not have much argument with this news item.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/07/09/after-100-days-in-mexican-prison-marine-sgt-tahmooressi-to-get-day-in-court/
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You should probably re-read your own posts then - As an amused yet depressed independent I view you as the 'D' equivalent of Soul Crusher. Partisan , knee jerk defense of the Dear Leader no matter what he does..
Sincerely, I don't think you're reading my posts closely enough. (If you should choose to take a 2nd look, I suggest you start by reading what I wrote following the part you bolded in my post that you've quoted.)
You sound pretty sure of yourself though, so how about you post some examples of my fanboy-ism?
BTW, even if it were true that all I do is defend Obama then how does that equate to me being the lib equivalent of Soul Crusher? Because in case you haven't noticed, SC, who often starts multiple topics daily, doesn't defend anything; He's strictly into offense.
Do you really see me starting many threads? I think I've started maybe 5 threads total (compared to the 1 zillion by SC) with none that I remember being about Obama.
If I'm wrong about that, though, please post examples and I'll apologize to you for disparaging your reading comprehension skills.
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True...he should be locked up for much longer.
This is no different than our argument over the soldier who went into Canada with firearms.
If you're gonna have guns you act and behave like a fucking ADULT.
Know where you are. Know where you are going. Know the laws, rules, and regulations of all areas around you.
He can sit in that Mexican shithole which is exactly what he deserves until he grows the fuck up.
I take a more commonsense approach to this stuff. Laws regarding gun smugglers were designed to deter and punish gun smugglers. They were not intended to punish people who mistakenly cross the border. We would never take away someone's liberty for this kind of mistake in the U.S. There also needs to be proportionality. Fine the guy, suspend his passport, make him take a geography class, etc., but not indefinite prison in a foreign country.
We should not allow our citizens to be locked up in a cell for this long. Even the dumb ones.
I make an exception for those who intentionally turn themselves over to the enemy (i.e., Bergdahl).
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I take a more commonsense approach to this stuff. Laws regarding gun smugglers were designed to deter and punish gun smugglers. They were not intended to punish people who mistakenly cross the border. We would never take away someone's liberty for this kind of mistake in the U.S. There also needs to be proportionality. Fine the guy, suspend his passport, make him take a geography class, etc., but not indefinite prison in a foreign country.
We should not allow our citizens to be locked up in a cell for this long. Even the dumb ones.
I make an exception for those who intentionally turn themselves over to the enemy (i.e., Bergdahl).
LOL... are you really that naïve?
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LOL... are you really that naïve?
You have an analogous example or are you just being a contrarian?
I doubt someone who mistakenly crosses the border into the U.S. would be locked up for months. In fact, we'd probably give them healthcare, an ID, etc.
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I take a more commonsense approach to this stuff. Laws regarding gun smugglers were designed to deter and punish gun smugglers. They were not intended to punish people who mistakenly cross the border. We would never take away someone's liberty for this kind of mistake in the U.S. There also needs to be proportionality. Fine the guy, suspend his passport, make him take a geography class, etc., but not indefinite prison in a foreign country.
We should not allow our citizens to be locked up in a cell for this long. Even the dumb ones.
I make an exception for those who intentionally turn themselves over to the enemy (i.e., Bergdahl).
He's charged with possession, not smuggling so the smuggling laws or purposes are not relevant.
25 years old, combat veteran, more than grown up to know better. He should've behaved like a fucking adult, especially driving around with loaded weapons. IMO, he needs to do more time.
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He's charged with possession, not smuggling so the smuggling laws or purposes are not relevant.
25 years old, combat veteran, more than grown up to know better. He should've behaved like a fucking adult, especially driving around with loaded weapons. IMO, he needs to do more time.
Same analysis. Laws regarding illegal possession of firearms were not designed to target people like him, nor was prison designed for people like him.
An absolute waste of resources and something that is contrary to the freedom we enjoy as American citizens.
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Same analysis. Laws regarding illegal possession of firearms were not designed to target people like him, nor was prison designed for people like him.
An absolute waste of resources and something that is contrary to the freedom we enjoy as American citizens.
Meh...he's right in line with the basic premise. Too many people acting irresponsibly with guns is what leads to all these stupid gun laws to begin with.
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it looks a lot like he was smuggling guns into mexico to sell them.
Frequent hotel rooms trips - where he would park his car in a lot on the american side, then walk across to a hotel room to "hang out". Then come back at night, and rolls into MEX with 3 guns.
Yeah, he knew the law, and nobody accidentally crosses lines like that at night, if they're so familiar with the area and the laws. Then he admitted, when shown evidence, that yeah, he had done this 4 times before, to the same hotel.
I bet they pull up his US gun purchase records, and he has bought dozens of rifles and shotguns... "sold/lost them all"...
Dude got caught. Plain and simple. I respect the service he gave our country, but beyond that, he very clearly did this 4 times. He brought 3 guns across a border.
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Meh...he's right in line with the basic premise. Too many people acting irresponsibly with guns is what leads to all these stupid gun laws to begin with.
Dude had a rifle, shotgun, handgun, boxes of ammo...
plates showed up 3 times previously doing this.
Dude tried to escape from prison in Mexico lol...
It doesn't matter what we *believe* because the FACTS are clear here.
He smuggled 3 guns into a very anti-gun country, knowing the law full well.
He went THRU the border crossing, knowing that was highly illegal.
I find it VERY difficult to believe "but but but there were no U-turns before entering another nation" haha.
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Meh...he's right in line with the basic premise. Too many people acting irresponsibly with guns is what leads to all these stupid gun laws to begin with.
People committing violent crimes are the reason we wind up with stupid laws.
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Interesting article here:
https://news.vice.com/article/the-complex-case-of-a-us-marine-held-for-accidentally-taking-guns-to-mexico (https://news.vice.com/article/the-complex-case-of-a-us-marine-held-for-accidentally-taking-guns-to-mexico)
At best, this guy is an idiot, though maybe partially due to his PTSD.
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Dude had a rifle, shotgun, handgun, boxes of ammo...
plates showed up 3 times previously doing this.
Dude tried to escape from prison in Mexico lol...
It doesn't matter what we *believe* because the FACTS are clear here.
He smuggled 3 guns into a very anti-gun country, knowing the law full well.
He went THRU the border crossing, knowing that was highly illegal.
I find it VERY difficult to believe "but but but there were no U-turns before entering another nation" haha.
Yes he lied. Also, his guns were loaded and within his reach - not legal in CA.
And the only evidence he didn't do this intentionally seems to be his (and his moms) claim.
But, even giving him the benefit of the doubt and buying he didn't do this on purposes, he still needs to serve time for his irresponsible stupidity.
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I wonder if the President has done something similar to this?
http://hunter.house.gov/sites/hunter.house.gov/files/documents/HunterTahmooressiLetter.PDF
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Facing 6 to 21 years in prison:
In 1999, a Marine was detained in Tijuana for two weeks after driving into Mexico with guns.
If Tahmooressi is convicted, he faces six to 21 years in a Mexican prison, his lawyers said, adding that alternatively the case could be dropped if the Mexican attorney general's office in Mexico City requests dismissal.
Tahmooressi served four years in the Marines, including two tours in Afghanistan. He says he was honorably discharged in November 2012.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2686787/Marine-accidentally-crossed-Mexico-guns-truck-finally-day-court-101-days-bars-Mexican-jail.html#ixzz37UY6ib2m
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Maybe the Mexican government should arrest Obama and Holder should they go to Mexico, you know fast and furious......
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Yes he lied. Also, his guns were loaded and within his reach - not legal in CA.
And the only evidence he didn't do this intentionally seems to be his (and his moms) claim.
But, even giving him the benefit of the doubt and buying he didn't do this on purposes, he still needs to serve time for his irresponsible stupidity.
I don't see why we need to give him the benefit of the doubt here.
He doesn't respect California law. He doesn't respect MEX law nor their prison system. He believes he can carry guns in a country, drink cervezas and enjoy the fruits of their lawlessness, but whines about an ass-whooping he took trying to scale a fence to escape.
Dude's one of those people that thinks he is entitled. He thinks the laws don't apply to him. He makes stuff worse for the rest of us. To believe him claim of "I didn't know I did anything wrong", you would have to accept this well-traveled man, wise to the ways of the world and experienced in well, international war, doesn't have a clue about local gun laws? We have to believe he "accidentally" took 3 weapons with ammo into a country that bans guns - and he had to drive thru a checkpoint to do it.
I'd love to see this defense work, just so dudes from Mexico could start arriving and "accidentally" crossing the border because, well, there was just nowhere to turn around lol.
Dude's a liar. He broke the law continually in his own state and finally got caught smuggling guns & ammo after making that trip several times before.
I have to wonder if the bedwetting liberals on this board, who don't respect the rule of law, would be equally cool with mexican smugglers getting released with no charges because "oh, they no comprende the laws, sorry about that..." NO WAY they would.
Break the law, smuggle guns, you do the time. Insane how fast major felonies become "oh, let's just look the other way" for people who claim to be conservative. Reminds me of that elected official in Colorado that carried a gun to work - and left it and was caught - Some leftwing getbigger suggested they should look the other way. Why? Cause laws shouldnt apply to everyone? Cause govt officials should get to carry guns where civilians cannot? Sheesh libs, go hump a tree and let law enforcement actually enforce the law.
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Maybe the Mexican government should arrest Obama and Holder should they go to Mexico, you know fast and furious......
Or what about the millions of illegals who have crossed our border?
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Or what about the millions of illegals who have crossed our border?
Et tu with the weak moral equivalency argument, BB?
Some would say that we really cannot justify anything this Marine has done wrong by pointing to the past bad deeds of illegal immigrants or even the current president...(even if the current president is himself an illegal immigrant, lol.)
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Facing 6 to 21 years in prison:
In 1999, a Marine was detained in Tijuana for two weeks after driving into Mexico with guns.
If Tahmooressi is convicted, he faces six to 21 years in a Mexican prison, his lawyers said, adding that alternatively the case could be dropped if the Mexican attorney general's office in Mexico City requests dismissal.
Tahmooressi served four years in the Marines, including two tours in Afghanistan. He says he was honorably discharged in November 2012.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2686787/Marine-accidentally-crossed-Mexico-guns-truck-finally-day-court-101-days-bars-Mexican-jail.html#ixzz37UY6ib2m
Yeah, breaking the law in a foreign country can have serious consequences. Forget to flush the toilet after peeing in Singapore and face public caning. If you are caught changing your clothes with the blinds open, you'll go to prison and also face heavy fines. It is considered pornographic. Any pornography there is illegal.
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You have an analogous example or are you just being a contrarian?
No need for an analogous example; the process here is clear: people caught bringing weapons into the United States illegally by CBP are taken in custody until they go before a Magistrate Judge, who can decide to either grant bail or remand them for custody until their case can be adjudicated.
I'm not familiar with Mexican law, but I presume that bringing a weapon into Mexico illegally is as much a crime there as bringing a weapon into the United States illegaly is here. Furtermore, I assume that the Marine in question was taken into custody in accordance with Mexican law, afforded the due process he is entitled to under Mexican law and remains in custody in accordance with Mexican law. If those assumptions hold (and I have no reason to think they don't) then I have absolutely no problem with this situation.
When you are in a different country, you are subject to the laws of that country; that you "accidentally" broke the laws of that country doesn't make everything OK. That you "unknowningly" broke the laws of that country doesn't make everything OK. Caveat emptor.
The facts are clear cut: This guy crossed the border into Mexico with a gun. So his intentions are irrelevent at this point; his action is all that matters. Whether he had the requisite mens rea (may) will come into play later: during his trial.
I doubt someone who mistakenly crosses the border into the U.S. would be locked up for months. In fact, we'd probably give them healthcare, an ID, etc.
Really? I expected more from you... The issue here isn't that he crossed into Mexico mistakenly. It's that he carried a weapon into Mexico. Don't try to obfuscate that very simple fact.
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Et tu with the weak moral equivalency argument, BB?
Some would say that we really cannot justify anything this Marine has done wrong by pointing to the past bad deeds of illegal immigrants or even the current president...(even if the current president is himself an illegal immigrant, lol.)
I was being facetious. But you sort of have to not be a simpleton to see that.
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Yeah, breaking the law in a foreign country can have serious consequences. Forget to flush the toilet after peeing in Singapore and face public caning. If you are caught changing your clothes with the blinds open, you'll go to prison and also face heavy fines. It is considered pornographic. Any pornography there is illegal.
Yep. You gotta educate yourself and be careful when traveling abroad.
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No need for an analogous example; the process here is clear: people caught bringing weapons into the United States illegally by CBP are taken in custody until they go before a Magistrate Judge, who can decide to either grant bail or remand them for custody until their case can be adjudicated.
I'm not familiar with Mexican law, but I presume that bringing a weapon into Mexico illegally is as much a crime there as bringing a weapon into the United States illegaly is here.
I assume that the Marine in question was taken into custody in accordance with Mexican law, afforded the due process he is entitled to under Mexican law and remains in custody in accordance with Mexican law. If those assumptions hold (and I have no reason to think they don't) then I have absolutely no problem with this situation.
The facts are simple:
When you are in a different country, you are subject to the laws of that country; that you "accidentally" broke the laws of that country doesn't make everything OK. They you "unknowningly" broke the laws of that country doesn't make everything OK. Caveat emptor.
This guy crossed the border into Mexico with a gun. His intentions are irrelevent at this point; his act is all that matters. Whether he had the requisite mens rea (may) come into play later: during his trial.
Really? I expected more from you... The issue here isn't that he crossed into Mexico mistakenly. It's that he carried a weapon into Mexico. Don't try to obfuscate that very simple fact.
? I made the comment: "We would never take away someone's liberty for this kind of mistake in the U.S." You call that statement naive, but cannot provide an example of the U.S. locking someone up indefinitely because they made a mistake like this?
Nobody sits in jail for three months over this kind of mistake in the U.S.
And yes, the issue is that he missed his exit and wound up in Mexico with weapons. He wasn't trying to transport weapons into Mexico. He simply made a mistake. If you've ever driven into a country with open borders you'd understand how easy it is to miss your "last U.S. exit," especially in that part of the country.
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I was being facetious. But you sort of have to not be a simpleton to see that.
lol, name-calling already? That escalated quickly.
Chill out, BB. I was being facetious, too. :)
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lol, name-calling already? That escalated quickly.
Chill out, BB. I was being facetious, too. :)
Who called you a name? You are awfully sensitive, sort of like a female. (That's not calling you a name either.)
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? I made the comment: "We would never take away someone's liberty for this kind of mistake in the U.S." You call that statement naive, but cannot provide an example of the U.S. locking someone up indefinitely because they made a mistake like this?
Nobody sits in jail for three months over this kind of mistake in the U.S.
This "mistake" business is a red herring. You assert that we would never hold someone up over a "mistake" but the fact is that he's not held up over a mistake. He's held because he is accused of a crime and either Mexican law doesn't allow bail for the crime for which he is accused or the Mexican authorities aren't willing to grant him bail.
It wouldn't surprise me if they weren't willing to grant him bail. Many Americans who are accused of crimes in Mexico return to the United States after being granted bail and never return to face the charges. In other words, they break the law with relative impunity.
And yes, the issue is that he missed his exit and wound up in Mexico with weapons. He wasn't trying to transport weapons into Mexico. He simply made a mistake. If you've ever driven into a country with open borders you'd understand how easy it is to miss your "last U.S. exit," especially in that part of the country.
Maybe it was a mistake, and an honest one at that. My point is that it is, at this point, irrelevant. That comes up when you go to Court, and they decide whether you had the mens rea - a critical component in deciding whether your actions are or are not a crime.
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This "mistake" business is a red herring. You assert that we would never hold someone up over a "mistake" but the fact is that he's not held up over a mistake. He's held because he is accused of a crime and either Mexican law doesn't allow bail for the crime for which he is accused or th
e Mexican authorities aren't willing to grant him bail.
It wouldn't surprise me if they weren't willing to grant him bail. Many Americans who are accused of crimes in Mexico return to the United States after being granted bail and never return to face the charges. In other words, they break the law with relative impunity.
Maybe it was a mistake, and an honest one at that. My point is that it is, at this point, irrelevant. That comes up when you go to Court, and they decide whether you had the mens rea - a critical component in deciding whether your actions are or are not a crime.
I'm not saying he didn't break the law. I'm saying several things:
1. These kinds of laws were not targeting people like him.
2. There is a lack of proportionality.
3. Mexico law enforcement is corrupt.
4. We should be doing more on a diplomatic level to bring this kid home.
It is way too simplistic to say he broke the letter of the law so lock him up. It's much more complicated than that. Or at least it should be.
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I'm not saying he didn't break the law. I'm saying several things:
1. These kinds of laws were not targeting people like him.
2. There is a lack of proportionality.
3. Mexico law enforcement is corrupt.
4. We should be doing more on a diplomatic level to bring this kid home.
I don't disagree with points 3 and 4. I partially disagree with point 1 - I don't presume to know the intentions of Mexican lawmakers and I don't think you do either. As to point 2, perhaps there is.
It is way too simplistic to say he broke the letter of the law so lock him up. It's much more complicated than that. Or at least it should be.
They are locking him up until he can stand trial. Whether he broke the letter of the law but not the spirit is irrelevant. He broke the law, and he's being prosecuted.
Should we apply political pressure to the Mexican government if he's being treated unfairly? Absolutely. But this mock outrage that some peope exhibit is just bullshit.
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I don't disagree with points 3 and 4. I partially disagree with point 1 - I don't presume to know the intentions of Mexican lawmakers and I don't think you do either. As to point 2, perhaps there is.
They are locking him up until he can stand trial. Whether he broke the letter of the law but not the spirit is irrelevant. He broke the law, and he's being prosecuted.
Should we apply political pressure to the Mexican government if he's being treated unfairly? Absolutely. But this mock outrage that some peope exhibit is just bullshit.
I agree with most of this, although I do make an assumption that laws are designed to deter and punish knowing violations of the law. That's a pretty reasonable assumption. At least from my point of view.
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Who called you a name? You are awfully sensitive, sort of like a female. (That's not calling you a name either.)
AM NOT!!!
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I'm not saying he didn't break the law. I'm saying several things:
1. These kinds of laws were not targeting people like him.
2. There is a lack of proportionality.
3. Mexico law enforcement is corrupt.
4. We should be doing more on a diplomatic level to bring this kid home.
It is way too simplistic to say he broke the letter of the law so lock him up. It's much more complicated than that. Or at least it should be.
Yeah that's the problem though, you're making a huge assumption for #1 about 'people like him' that just doesn't fit the facts. Driving around with loaded guns, in reach, and hidden under clothing doesn't make 'people like him' look all that good, lol. In fact, it makes him look down right criminal. Not to mention the lying.
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? I made the comment: "We would never take away someone's liberty for this kind of mistake in the U.S." You call that statement naive, but cannot provide an example of the U.S. locking someone up indefinitely because they made a mistake like this?
Nobody sits in jail for three months over this kind of mistake in the U.S.
And yes, the issue is that he missed his exit and wound up in Mexico with weapons. He wasn't trying to transport weapons into Mexico. He simply made a mistake. If you've ever driven into a country with open borders you'd understand how easy it is to miss your "last U.S. exit," especially in that part of the country.
Of course they do.
Here's an ex-cop spending 5 years in jail for accidentally violating NJ's requirements while moving. I had thought we had this case on this very board too.
http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/41/4110.asp
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Yeah that's the problem though, you're making a huge assumption for #1 about 'people like him' that just doesn't fit the facts. Driving around with loaded guns, in reach, and hidden under clothing doesn't make 'people like him' look all that good, lol. In fact, it makes him look down right criminal. Not to mention the lying.
You really think he was trying to go sell guns in Tijuana?
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Of course they do.
Here's an ex-cop spending 5 years in jail for accidentally violating NJ's requirements while moving. I had thought we had this case on this very board too.
http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/41/4110.asp
Close, but not really comparable. This guy was a former cop. Much more likely that he knew exactly what he could and couldn't do with firearms and ammunition. Also, I doubt he was arrested and held without bail. And the article says:
A jury acquitted him of the charges for possession of the "assault firearms" and handgun possession but convicted him in absentia of illegal possession of hollow-point bullets, shotguns, rifles and a high-capacity magazine.
That means he wasn't even present for his trial.
I think this one is a closer example (just read this today):
'Honest mistake' leads to Philly mother facing three years on gun charge
By Joshua Rhett Miller
Published July 16, 2014
FoxNews.com
Shaneen Allen, 27, was pulled over in New Jersey’s Atlantic County after making an unsafe lane change in the early morning hours of Oct. 1. Allen then told the officer that she had the .380 Bersa Thunder handgun, as well as a concealed carry permit in Pennsylvania, unaware that her permit was not transferable to The Garden State. (Courtesy: Evan Nappen)
A Philadelphia mother of two is facing three years in prison after she mistakenly entered New Jersey, where she was stopped for a traffic violation and found in possession of a handgun loaded with hollow-point bullets.
Shaneen Allen, 27, was pulled over in New Jersey’s Atlantic County after making an unsafe lane change in the early morning hours of Oct. 1. Allen then told the officer that she had the .380 Bersa Thunder handgun, as well as a concealed carry permit for Pennsylvania, unaware that her permit was not transferable to The Garden State.
“The gun charge was not proper to begin with at all,” her attorney, Evan Nappen, told FoxNews.com. “She made an honest mistake.”
Allen, who has no criminal record, was later charged with unlawful possession of a weapon and possession of hollow-point bullets. If convicted, the illegal possession of the handgun is a second-degree felony punishable by a mandatory minimum sentence of three years in prison.
"So in the effort of promoting gun control in New Jersey, they’ve created a situation where very sympathetic people get harmed and turned into the victim by gun laws."
- Attorney Evan Nappen
“New Jersey’s draconian and crazy gun laws gives the judge no discretion here — none,” Nappen continued. “You will get three years with no chance of parole if you’re convicted of this gun charge. So in the effort of promoting gun control in New Jersey, they’ve created a situation where very sympathetic people get harmed and turned into the victim by gun laws.”
Allen, who could not be reached for comment early Wednesday, had only owned the gun for a week prior to the arrest, Nappen said, and purchased it for her protection after being robbed twice in the past year.
“The officer knew there was a gun there, she was completely honest and open,” he continued. “There’s no aggravating factors in this case; she’s a single mom of two, working in the medical field who was robbed twice and that’s what inspired her to get a gun license in the first place.”
Despite a lack of a criminal record, Nappen said Allen was not accepted into a diversionary program that would allow her to avoid jail time altogether.
Nappen said Allen’s arrest also coincided with a gun buyback program in New Jersey last year that netted more than 10,000 handguns. Individuals who turned in weapons during the “no questions asked” buyback period were paid up to $250 per gun.
John Lott, Jr., president of the Crime Prevention Research Center, said the case was similar to that of Brian Aitken, a New Jersey man whose seven-year prison sentence was eventually commuted by Gov. Chris Christie.
In early 2009, Aitken moved back to New Jersey from Colorado to be closer to his young son and estranged wife. A planned visit with his son was canceled at the last minute and his mother, who was concerned for his safety, called the police. A subsequent search of his car by officers revealed two locked and unloaded handguns in the trunk, both of which were purchased legally in Colorado.
Aitken's father, Larry, told FoxNews.com at the time that he refused to see his son lost in the patchwork of state gun laws throughout the country.
"I don't think there are words yet invented that could characterize the — I guess anger would be one word, but it's a lot deeper than anger," Larry Aitken told FoxNews.com in 2010. "Whatever the word is that's a combination of anger, shock, disbelief, horror and a desire to expose all of this — that's the word.”
Lott, meanwhile, said he hopes “something similar” happens in Allen’s case, adding that she clearly did not intend to commit any crime.
"These mandatory sentences sometimes create really unfortunate results,” Lott continued. “My own academic research indicates that Ms. Allen is the type of person who benefits the most from having permitted concealed handguns: a minority woman who lives in high-crime urban areas. The people who are most likely to be victims of crime are the ones who benefit the most from having a gun for protection. In addition, women benefit much more than men do because they tend to be much weaker physically than their attackers.”
Jay McKeen, public information officer for the Atlantic County Prosecutor's Office, said Allen has a pre-trial conference scheduled for Aug. 5. Prosecutor James McClain declined to comment on the matter, McKeen said.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/07/16/honest-mistake-leads-to-philly-mother-facing-three-years-on-gun-charge/
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You really think he was trying to go sell guns in Tijuana?
I dont give a shit what his motivation was.
He broke the law. And I dont buy into the liberal belief system that it's okay to break the law because of, at best, willful ignorance. The guy broke the laws of another nation, then tried a freakin jailbreak lol... let them do as they see fit.
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I dont give a shit what his motivation was.
He broke the law. And I dont buy into the liberal belief system that it's okay to break the law because of, at best, willful ignorance. The guy broke the laws of another nation, then tried a freakin jailbreak lol... let them do as they see fit.
Yes, you are a real law and order man. Lock him up and throw away the key. ::)
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Yes, you are a real law and order man. Lock him up and throw away the key. ::)
If someone from mexico "accidentally" drove into the usa with 3 bricks of coke, I think most would agree he belongs in prison.
But when someone from USA "accidentally" drives thru a border crossing, into MEX, with 3 guns and piles of ammo - suddenly we should take his mama's word for it and just let him go?
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Same analysis. Laws regarding illegal possession of firearms were not designed to target people like him, nor was prison designed for people like him.
An absolute waste of resources and something that is contrary to the freedom we enjoy as American citizens.
What freedom would that be? The freedom to be indefinitely detained... without charges? ...or worse?
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If someone from mexico "accidentally" drove into the usa with 3 bricks of coke, I think most would agree he belongs in prison.
But when someone from USA "accidentally" drives thru a border crossing, into MEX, with 3 guns and piles of ammo - suddenly we should take his mama's word for it and just let him go?
bingo. and Fox News keeps referring to the situation as....traveling with legal weapons.........maybe in the US but not in Mexico. Subtle difference for Fox viewers.
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If someone from mexico "accidentally" drove into the usa with 3 bricks of coke, I think most would agree he belongs in prison.
But when someone from USA "accidentally" drives thru a border crossing, into MEX, with 3 guns and piles of ammo - suddenly we should take his mama's word for it and just let him go?
Yes, people accidentally drive into foreign countries with three bricks of cocaine all the time. Just like all those people who drive around with a trunk of dead bodies of people they accidentally killed. What are we going to do about this?
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What freedom would that be? The freedom to be indefinitely detained... without charges? ...or worse?
The freedom found in our Constitution. You should read it, especially since you are so enamored with the greatest country on earth.
Which American citizens are being indefinitely detained without charges, or worse?
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Mexican prison ordeal saps Marine Sgt. Tahmooressi's life savings
By Joseph J. Kolb
Published July 17, 2014
FoxNews.com
While Marine Sgt. Andrew Tahmooressi was living on a base and eating MREs in Afghanistan and earning a battlefield promotion, his paychecks from Uncle Sam were piling up in the bank.
He dreamed of returning to Weston, Fla., when his second tour of duty ended and buying a new truck, maybe getting a place of his own. At 26, and with a modest nest egg waiting, he had a future back home.
Now Tahmooressi languishes in a Mexican prison, plagued by Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder. And the $65,000 he saved in the service of his nation is gone, according to his mother.
"He has already lost all of his life savings."
- Jill Tahmooressi, mother of Marine imprisoned in Mexico
"He has already lost all of his life savings," his mother, Jill Tahmooressi, said. "When this is all over he will have nothing and will be facing an enormous debt."
Tahmooressi has been held since March 31, when he accidentally drove into Mexico at the San Ysidro, Calif., Port of Entry late March 31, after becoming disoriented from poorly lit street signs and being in a position on the road unable to make a last ditch U-turn. He was carrying all of his possessions, including three registered guns – legal in the U.S., but not in Mexico.
If convicted, he faces up to 21 years in prison. But even if he is set free, he will have nothing, his mother fears.
"He's been in jail for three months just for making a wrong turn and now he is broke," Jill Tahmooressi said. "He will walk out of jail a broke man."
Most of the money has been spent on attorneys, Jill Tahmooressi said. The Marine is now represented by Fernando Benitez, a legal star known for defending the mayor of Tijuana on weapons and corruption charges. While the family is confident in Benitez, two prior attorneys did little but send bills, according to Jill Tahmooressi.
She said their first lawyer, Alejandro Osuna, cost her son a prepaid retainer in excess of $10,000, although she declined to be more specific. Osuna was fired after he allegedly suggested Tahmooressi tell a judge at an April 28 hearing that he had never been to Mexico before his arrest, which was not true.
A second attorney, Lamberto Jesus Esquer Dabdoub, charged him $10,000 up front and didn't do anything prior to his firing eight days later because of lack of confidence by the family. Neither attorney ever submitted a shred of evidence to the federal court on Tahmooressi's behalf.
Benitez has yet to submit a bill, but given the case could stretch out for as long as two years, the Tahmooressi family is braced for expenses that could exceed $100,000.
The family of Jon Hammar, another Florida Marine caught at the border with a weapon he declared, told Jill Tahmooressi that in the four months he was in prison before his release in 2012, his legal fees alone exceeded $90,000.
Jill Tahmooressi said her son is shouldering the bulk of the expenses but she is not without her own financial burdens with the case. A nursing director at Miami Children's Hospital in Florida, she said she has already laid out more than $6,000 for travel to be with her son. The time she is taking from work is unpaid.
Jill Tahmooressi said she hasn't sought help because "economically, all of America has been hurting for so long." But three weeks ago, with the help of a California law firm that has been advising her, she established a charitable trust through Campaign Solutions in Washington. The name of the site to make donations for Andrew's defense is www.andrewfreedomfund.co m.
But whether kind sympathizers chip in or the Tahmooressis have to go deeper into debt, the distraught mom said she would do whatever it took.
“I will pay any cost, including sacrificing our family home if need be, to pay the bills to Mexico associated with Andrew's release back to the states,” Jill Tahmooressi said.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/07/17/mexican-prison-ordeal-saps-marine-sgt-tahmooressi-life-savings/
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Yes, people accidentally drive into foreign countries with three bricks of cocaine all the time. Just like all those people who drive around with a trunk of dead bodies of people they accidentally killed. What are we going to do about this?
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Dude broke the law of another country. I personally woudn't visit mexico because they have shitty gun laws.
Dude had to drive thru a crossing, there was no accident to it. And the line about how he couldn't find a spot to turn around? LOL he had made that trip many times, they caught him on video 3 times before. They knew what he was up to.
Dude was a gunrunner. Just accept it. he got caught. The law is the law - if we don't like it, we should move to MEX and run for office and change it.
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The law is the law - if we don't like it, we should move to MEX and run for office and change it.
This made me laugh....so true!
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Dude broke the law of another country. I personally woudn't visit mexico because they have shitty gun laws.
Dude had to drive thru a crossing, there was no accident to it. And the line about how he couldn't find a spot to turn around? LOL he had made that trip many times, they caught him on video 3 times before. They knew what he was up to.
Dude was a gunrunner. Just accept it. he got caught. The law is the law - if we don't like it, we should move to MEX and run for office and change it.
You've obviously never driven that part of the border. I have. You are wrong, as usual. It is very easy to miss the last U.S. exit. Happens to people all the time.
They caught him on video three times before doing what?
A gunrunner. lol
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http://newsbusters.org/blogs/curtis-houck/2014/10/02/msnbcs-chris-hayes-sgt-tahmooressis-holding-mexico-cause-c%C3%A9l%C3%A8bre?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=marketing&utm_term=facebook&utm_campaign=hayes-montel
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You've obviously never driven that part of the border. I have. You are wrong, as usual. It is very easy to miss the last U.S. exit. Happens to people all the time.
They caught him on video three times before doing what?
A gunrunner. lol
sorry, but I think the law enforcement organizations know better than both of us.
And they say he went there to unload guns and it was part of a pattern.
the law is the law. Respect it, or join the democrat party. There is no middle ground.
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sorry, but I think the law enforcement organizations know better than both of us.
And they say he went there to unload guns and it was part of a pattern.
the law is the law. Respect it, or join the democrat party. There is no middle ground.
Are you saying Democrats don't obey the law?
And before I call you a liar, can you tell me where you got this information?
LOL he had made that trip many times, they caught him on video 3 times before. They knew what he was up to.
Dude was a gunrunner. Just accept it. he got caught. The law is the law - if we don't like it, we should move to MEX and run for office and change it.
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read.
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article.
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I admittedly haven't been following this story very closely. However, I don't understand what the big deal is. It's a private criminal matter.
Funny - Mexico does not feel the same way when we deport their invaders or lock those criminals up for crashing the border.
F Mexico - fng worthless pos country
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Do you or your wife take your car to a car wash? Eat out at restaurants? Use a lawn service? Does this make u an accessory to the crime of "crashing the border"?
No car wash.
No lawn service
Mostly eat at Japaense places.
Next.
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read.
the.
article.
What article? Does it say "they caught him on video 3 times before" and he was a "gunrunner"? Where did you get this information?
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Sounds like we're better off w/out this idiot. Kid "accidentally" drives into Mexico w/ a car full of guns? Let them have him.
Bullshit - he is a American citizen w PTSD. A Citizen - be it 240, BB, whoever - is always better than these wortheless mexis
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PTSD? LOL. Now you're really losing it.
Have you not been following this matter?
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PTSD? LOL. Now you're really losing it.
You don't think it's real?
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Have you not been following this matter?
I think what he's suggesting is that PTSD isn't real.
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http://newsbusters.org/blogs/curtis-houck/2014/10/02/msnbcs-chris-hayes-sgt-tahmooressis-holding-mexico-cause-c%C3%A9l%C3%A8bre
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I think in 99 percent of cases it's bullshit.
What did your hero Patton do the soldier who was claiming PTSD in WWII?
So just to be clear. You don't think there has been any advancements in studies or science regarding PTSD in the last 70 years? Is that what you're suggesting?
http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/post-traumatic-stress-disorder/basics/definition/con-20022540
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Sounds like we're better off w/out this idiot. Kid "accidentally" drives into Mexico w/ a car full of guns? Let them have him.
He broke the law. I wonder how many people would catch a mexican with 3 illegal guns (shitload of ammo too, and one of them was an AR15?)... and would be cool with letting him go because he "accidentally" crossed the border. LOL
Bullshit - he is a American citizen w PTSD. A Citizen - be it 240, BB, whoever - is always better than these wortheless mexis
If that is the case, then we have to consider the LIBERAL position that soldiers with PTSD shouldn't have access to guns. Do you believe this, 33386?
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here's the thing - dude knew the law. This wasn't some 21 year old kid lost in a strange state with a 9mm for protection under his seat. This was a worldly veteran with 3 very nice guns in a backpack making frequent trips into Mexico. The mex authorities said he made that trip 3 times before that they could document.
To believe he "got lost", and/or "didn't know the gun laws", you have to be willing to realllly stretch things.
Sorry, but I can't supporting cutting ANYONE a break who is involved in any kind of international gun smuggling. "Oops" doesn't cut it. THEN he tried to escape from authorities, right? Sounds like he just lives by his own set of rules. This story stinks all around - and even the sanitized version he is selling, it's weak.
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here's the thing - dude knew the law. This wasn't some 21 year old kid lost in a strange state with a 9mm for protection under his seat. This was a worldly veteran with 3 very nice guns in a backpack making frequent trips into Mexico. The mex authorities said he made that trip 3 times before that they could document.
To believe he "got lost", and/or "didn't know the gun laws", you have to be willing to realllly stretch things.
Sorry, but I can't supporting cutting ANYONE a break who is involved in any kind of international gun smuggling. "Oops" doesn't cut it. THEN he tried to escape from authorities, right? Sounds like he just lives by his own set of rules. This story stinks all around - and even the sanitized version he is selling, it's weak.
But we freely let in 60000 illegals but Obama can't make a call? See, this just one the reasons why this fuck is useless.
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But we freely let in 60000 illegals but Obama can't make a call? See, this just one the reasons why this fuck is useless.
Hey, don't think I support that amnesty bullshit. I'm all for mining the border.
And NO, obama should NOT make a call. This dude broke the law. Suppose his guns were going to be sold to gangs?
LOL @ everyone cool with excusing lawbreaking, just this once. He's a criminal. What don't ya understand? What is a mexican smuggled a kilo of cocaine into the USA, "accidentally"?
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...while Obama lets in hundreds of thousands of illegals. How someone hasn't picked this clown off yet is beyond me.
Yo coach are you dumb bro--like in actuality are you stupid or are you serious?
You realize you can't say things like that right!
I mean... I am not going to be surprised if the government picks you up and rightfully so
Do not threaten to kill the president you jerk
It's not only uncool but also it's deeply worrisome
Why? And I am an Obama supporter but EVEN if someone said that about Bush back in 2002 (who I disliked as a president) I would tell
Them
To
Check themselves! You can't talk about killing the president you fool.
I suggest you erase
That message for your own freedom! And have a DEEP mediatation on the root of your hatred. Cause it's
Toxic and it's totally illegal
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Andrew Tahmooressi’s lawyer now confirms his client LIED about his 2 previous trips into Tijuana. He outright lied in his interviews and written declaration about ever having been there before. He claimed first time, he was lost. His own lawyer admits this is a lie.
Also, there was movement in his bank accounts immediately following his 2 previous trips into MEX.
3 guns (two military grade) and 400 rounds of ammo. Yikes.
http://www.sandiegored.com/noticias/52481/Andrew-Tahmooressi-lied-about-Tijuana/
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Yo coach are you dumb bro--like in actuality are you stupid or are you serious?
You realize you can't say things like that right!
I mean... I am not going to be surprised if the government picks you up and rightfully so
Do not threaten to kill the president you jerk
It's not only uncool but also it's deeply worrisome
Why? And I am an Obama supporter but EVEN if someone said that about Bush back in 2002 (who I disliked as a president) I would tell
Them
To
Check themselves! You can't talk about killing the president you fool.
I suggest you erase
That message for your own freedom! And have a DEEP mediatation on the root of your hatred. Cause it's
Toxic and it's totally illegal
Show me where I EVER threatened him. Are you fucking retarded? Not just because you suggested that I would ever do that but also because you're an Obama supporter (and you can't even tell me why)
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Show me where I EVER threatened him. Are you fucking retarded? Not just because you suggested that I would ever do that but also because you're an Obama supporter (and you can't even tell me why)
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two attempted prison escapes. and repeated lies about "i've never been to mexico before" while they know of 2+ trips, and even him parking his truck full of guns across border and walking back.
IMO... and only my guess...
The dude needed money. He had a nice little business going, in which he'd cross the border, park his truck, walk away for the afternoon... and maybe leave a key in wheel well or whatever. He'd leave 3 guns (2 military grade) and a lot of ammo in the truck... and someone would access his car, take the guns, and replace it with a stack of money.
It'll be interesting to see what "banking account activity followed each of his two previous trips to Mexico".
Yes, dude's a fcking hero. He served our country. He's awesome. But he could have used that to walk into ANY job he's qualified for, and it'll move him to the front of the line. Face it, I think we all agree - if we have ten guys applying for the same job, they're all qualified,and one says "I just served our country", we are 100% hiring him/her first. Aside from the fact he's a hero, he also has a sense of duty and discipline that the facebook generation here in teh USA usually lacks. SO yeah, I think dude would have no problem getting a job he's qualified for.
IMO, he was probably just selling a few guns each week, they caught onto it, they caught him. That's it. He's an international guns smuggler, and should be in jail next to others willing to commit felonies across borders. Very sad story.
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Do you or your wife take your car to a car wash? Eat out at restaurants? Use a lawn service? Does this make u an accessory to the crime of "crashing the border"?
lol
you will lose right off the bat; SC having a WIFE??? LOL. think about that; a woman would be with him? how?
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two attempted prison escapes. and repeated lies about "i've never been to mexico before" while they know of 2+ trips, and even him parking his truck full of guns across border and walking back.
IMO... and only my guess...
The dude needed money. He had a nice little business going, in which he'd cross the border, park his truck, walk away for the afternoon... and maybe leave a key in wheel well or whatever. He'd leave 3 guns (2 military grade) and a lot of ammo in the truck... and someone would access his car, take the guns, and replace it with a stack of money.
It'll be interesting to see what "banking account activity followed each of his two previous trips to Mexico".
Yes, dude's a fcking hero. He served our country. He's awesome. But he could have used that to walk into ANY job he's qualified for, and it'll move him to the front of the line. Face it, I think we all agree - if we have ten guys applying for the same job, they're all qualified,and one says "I just served our country", we are 100% hiring him/her first. Aside from the fact he's a hero, he also has a sense of duty and discipline that the facebook generation here in teh USA usually lacks. SO yeah, I think dude would have no problem getting a job he's qualified for.
IMO, he was probably just selling a few guns each week, they caught onto it, they caught him. That's it. He's an international guns smuggler, and should be in jail next to others willing to commit felonies across borders. Very sad story.
I can see that giving you the benefit of the doubt was a mistake. Why do you always just make stuff up?
Dude had to drive thru a crossing, there was no accident to it. And the line about how he couldn't find a spot to turn around? LOL he had made that trip many times, they caught him on video 3 times before. They knew what he was up to.
Dude was a gunrunner. Just accept it. he got caught. The law is the law - if we don't like it, we should move to MEX and run for office and change it.
What article? Does it say "they caught him on video 3 times before" and he was a "gunrunner"? Where did you get this information?
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I think in 99 percent of cases it's bullshit.
What did your hero Patton do the soldier who was claiming PTSD in WWII?
I think you don't know what the heck you're talking about. I know a number of vets with PTSD.
How many Soldiers or vets have you interacted with to make you reach the conclusion that "99 percent" of the cases are BS?
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different reports said 2 and 3 times before. We can go with 2 if you want. His own lawyer has admitted he lied about 2 other trips.
His own lawyer and his mother try to explain away his lie here:
Andrew Tahmooressi’s lawyer now confirms his client LIED about his 2 previous trips into Tijuana. He outright lied in his interviews and written declaration about ever having been there before. He claimed first time, he was lost. His own lawyer admits this is a lie.
Also, there was movement in his bank accounts immediately following his 2 previous trips into MEX.
3 guns (two military grade) and 400 rounds of ammo. Yikes.
http://www.sandiegored.com/noticias/52481/Andrew-Tahmooressi-lied-about-Tijuana/
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different reports said 2 and 3 times before. We can go with 2 if you want. His own lawyer has admitted he lied about 2 other trips.
His own lawyer and his mother try to explain away his lie here:
You are such a friggin liar. "We" aren't going with anything. You said "they caught him on video 3 times before." Which story says they caught him on video three times before?
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Andrew Tahmooressi’s lawyer now confirms his client LIED about his 2 previous trips into Tijuana. He outright lied in his interviews and written declaration about ever having been there before. He claimed first time, he was lost. His own lawyer admits this is a lie.
Also, there was movement in his bank accounts immediately following his 2 previous trips into MEX.
3 guns (two military grade) and 400 rounds of ammo. Yikes.
http://www.sandiegored.com/noticias/52481/Andrew-Tahmooressi-lied-about-Tijuana/
Just curious, what exactly is a military grade gun?
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Just curious, what exactly is a military grade gun?
By mexican law, two of the weapons were "military grade" according to the spokesman of the TJ PD.
I think it's silly, but hey, it's mexican law. This dude chose to go there. Given the national gun ban and the overall awesomeness of that firepower... he could have turned $2,000 in the USA into ten grand easily, selling those weapons in Mexico.
Not a bad little profit for one day of hanging out. And it looked like he's done it twice before. As the San Diego Red and numerous Mexican sources showed, "Confirms that Tahmooressi had been to Tijuana at least twice before his April 1 arrest; - See more at: http://www.sandiegored.com/noticias/52481/Andrew-Tahmooressi-lied-about-Tijuana/#sthash.wA7hRkUY.dpuf"
I know beach bum keeps ignoring that, but yes, his license plate showed up on video at least twice before making that trip. His lawyer admitted it too: "Alejandro Osuna, Andrew Tahmooressi’s lawyer, confirmed the accounts to be true and stated that he had been the one to advise Tahmooressi to stick to the script and not reveal the previous visits, - See more at: http://www.sandiegored.com/noticias/52481/Andrew-Tahmooressi-lied-about-Tijuana/#sthash.YaGIPMQa.dpuf"
I don't understand Beach Bum/ Dos Equis' inability to accept the FACT that Tahmooressi lied. his own lawyer admits it. Mexican govt has shown it, and his own legal team has conceded this fact. It's not up for debate anymore LOL. A few months ago, we argued it, but today, his own lawyer has admitted it. But hey, beachdoq Equis can keep believing it. He's the only one?
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I know beach bum keeps ignoring that, but yes, his license plate showed up on video at least twice before making that trip. His lawyer admitted it too: "Alejandro Osuna, Andrew Tahmooressi’s lawyer, confirmed the accounts to be true and stated that he had been the one to advise Tahmooressi to stick to the script and not reveal the previous visits, - See more at: http://www.sandiegored.com/noticias/52481/Andrew-Tahmooressi-lied-about-Tijuana/#sthash.YaGIPMQa.dpuf"
So you claim "they caught him on video 3 times before," say "his license plate showed up on video at least twice before," then post a link to unverified statements saying he WALKED across the border? LOL! Dude. Serious question: why do you repeatedly lie? It's really not that hard to tell the truth. Stop making stuff up and embellishing facts all the time. The truth is refreshing.
"New information revealed through several media outlets — among them Zeta newspaper — confirms that Tahmooressi had been to Tijuana at least twice before his April 1 arrest; the data coincides with movement in his bank account. It is assumed that the ex–marine had crossed the border on foot for personal reasons. Some of his acquaintances confirmed this information to authorities investigating the case."
http://www.sandiegored.com/noticias/52481/Andrew-Tahmooressi-lied-about-Tijuana/#sthash.YaGIPMQa.GhsOnxX6.dpuf
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About dang time. Thanks for nothing Mr. President.
Marine vet to be released from Mexican jail
By Sandra Dibble
OCT. 31, 2014
TIJUANA — A Mexican federal district judge in Tijuana on Friday ordered the immediate release of a U.S. Marine veteran behind bars in Baja California on federal weapons charges.
Andrew Tahmooressi was on trial for crossing the border with ammunition and three loaded weapon on March 31. The Mexican Attorney General’s Office agreed to cease its prosecution of Tahmooressi and allow him to return to the United States.
The agreement brings to a close a high-profile case that has resounded far beyond the border. In the United States, it has prompted calls for his release from politicians, veterans groups, conservative talk show hosts. But for months there had been an impasse, as Mexican federal prosecutors insisted that the case be resolved through the courts -- not through diplomatic or political pressure.
Tahmooressi, 26, claims that he drove into Tijuana by mistake on a Monday night after taking a wrong turn near the Mexican border in San Ysidro. He recently had moved from Florida to San Diego, and says that he was driving out of a parking lot, intending to head north. But instead he drove into the El Chaparral Port of Entry, where Mexican customs inspectors examined his pickup truck and found more 400 rounds of ammunition and three loaded firearms: a 45-caliber pistol, a 12-gauge shotgun and a 5.56mm assault rifle.
His release from El Hongo State Penitentiary outside Tecate was ordered by Judge Victor Octavio Luna Escobedo of the Sixth Federal District Court in Tijuana. Had Tahmooressi been convicted, he would have faced from seven to 21 years behind bars.
Even though the U.S. State Department reports that dozens of U.S. citizens are arrested each month for violating Mexico’s gun laws, few if any cases have gotten such wide attention.
Tahmooressi’s situation initially elicited little public sympathy in Mexico, where there is no constitutional right to bear arms. A headline last May in the Tijuana newsweekly, Zeta read: "He did not enter Mexico in error." But his detention did strike a nerve with some sectors in the United States intent on seeing him released.
Portraying Tahmooressi as a U.S. war hero unjustly detained in a foreign country, they invoked his military service — two tours of duty in Afghanistan with the U.S. Marines, with an honorable discharge in 2012, and stressed that Tahmooressi needed to return to the United States for treatment. Shortly before his arrest he had been diagnosed with PTSD and started treatment at the Veterans Affairs Medical Center in La Jolla.
“I firmly believe that Sgt. Tahmooressi meant no harm, nor willfully violated Mexican law when he crossed the border,” said Rep. Matt Salmon, R-Ariz., chair of a House subcommittee that held a hearing last month to call attention to the case.
Benítez, his Tijuana defense attorney, used a range of tactics to win his release. He initially pressed for dismissal of the case on the grounds that his client’s rights were allegedly violated when he was held at the El Chaparral Port of Entry for hours without the presence of an attorney or a translator.
http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2014/oct/31/andrew-tahmooressi-marine-veteran-released-mexico/
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Welcome home Marine. :)
Marine Sgt. Andrew Tahmooressi freed from Mexican jail, returns to US
By William La Jeunesse, Dan Gallo
Published November 01, 2014
FoxNews.com
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After 214 days in a Mexican prison, Sgt. Andrew Tahmooressi returned home to Florida Saturday, having been freed Friday night after a strong diplomatic push appeared to help convince a judge to release the former Marine on humanitarian grounds.
After reviewing the ruling, Tahmooressi family spokesman Jonathan Franks said the judge acted on a recommendation from the PGR, the Mexican Attorney General's Office. In that motion, the prosecutor "essentially withdrew the charges," Franks said. Moments later, the trial judge issued an acquittal in Andrew's case, calling for an "immediate and absolute release."
Franks said the private plane carrying Marine Sgt. Andrew Tahmooressi, his mother and supporters -- including former New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson -- landed at a South Florida airport about 6 a.m. Tahmooressi was freed Friday night and reunited with his mother, Jill, and then boarded the flight to Florida in San Diego.
His release comes after a lengthy, closed trial and a Congressional hearing in September highly critical of Obama Administration efforts to secure his release and Mexico’s refusal to let him go. Tahmooressi said he made an innocent mistake the evening he crossed into Tijuana with three weapons in his truck on March 31.
While his defense rested its case several weeks ago, Tahmooressi’s release came only after a strong diplomatic push from former Gov. Bill Richardson of New Mexico and Reps. Ed Royce (R-CA) and Matt Salmon (R-AZ). Speaking by phone on his way to board a plane with Tahmooressi, Richardson said the trio, along with talk show host Montel Williams, met with Mexico’s Attorney General and Ambassador to the US, advocating for his liberation.
"The totality of diplomacy, the judicial process, the legal strategy and the importance of the American-Mexican relationship resulted in Andrew's release," Richardson said. "And now we have this great outcome. Andrew's coming home."
As late as Friday morning, the family spokesman told Fox News the judge was not expected to make a decision for at least another week. While the spokesman expressed optimism, the there was no certainty that the judge would rule in Tahmooressi’s favor and could have found him guilty of firearms possession. His attorney had argued for his release based on humanitarian grounds and on a violation of his civil rights.
Upon release, Mexican officials processed him quickly through immigration, Richardson said.
"He was happy. He was smiling. He's looking good. His spirits are high," Richardson told Fox News, adding that Tahmooressi said he wants a steak dinner and stone crabs.
But Richardson said Tahmooressi is seeking privacy and still needs to receive treatment for his Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder, something that wasn’t available in Mexican prison-- a key argument put forth by defense attorney Fernando Benitez.
The three officials, along with Tahmooressi’s mother Jill, have spent the last week in Tijuana pressing officials for his release.
Speaking by phone on his way to board a plane with Tahmooressi, Richardson said the trio, along with talk show host Montel Williams, met with Mexico’s Attorney General and Ambassador to the US, advocating for his liberation.
FoxNews.com covered Tahmooressi's seven-month ordeal extensively, with numerous reports from the Tijuana court where hearings were held, interviews with the jailed Marine by telephone and several guest opinion columns by military, medical and legal experts critical of his treatment in Mexico.
Fox News Channel's Greta Van Susteran also covered the case extensively, even driving the poorly-marked and confusing route Tahmooressi took the night he was detained and going to the prison where he was held. But other national media outlets largely ignored the plight of Tahmooressi, and the White House was heavily criticized for not doing more to secure his release despite the fact that Tahmooressi served two tours of duty in Afghanistan and suffered from Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder.
Benitez said that Tahmooressi's condition was continuing to deteriorate and Mexico didn’t have the expertise or facilities to treat his PTSD, which he suffered after two tours in Afghanistan.
The defense attorney also alleged that customs agents held Tahmooerssi illegally, denying him access to a translator, lawyer and consular access.
But after the seven-month ordeal, it was the PTSD argument that ultimately pressured the judge to acquit Tahmooressi.
“The judicial process of Mexico made the right choice,” Richardson said. “The humanitarian release was justified based on PTSD, something that the Mexican judicial and medical system is not as conscious of as the United States.”
Montel Williams ✔ @Montel_Williams
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The Associated Press contributed to this report.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/11/01/mexican-judge-orders-jailed-marine-andrew-tahmooressi-freed-family-spokesman/
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He broke Cali gun laws. He gets to carry loaded long arms in vehicles, and the rest of you don't.
Criminal.
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Terrible leadership. I think if this kid was gay the president would have been all over it.
Republicans cheer Tahmooressi's release, question Obama's role
Published November 02, 2014
FoxNews.com
Republicans on Saturday welcomed the news of Marine Sgt. Andrew Tahmooressi being released from a Mexico prison and the efforts by GOP congressmen to help broker a deal but questioned whether the Obama administration did enough.
“President Obama still isn’t using all of the tools and levers that we have as the world’s lone super power, whether it is as simple as getting Sgt. Tahmooressi released from custody to defending our interests or protecting our allies in the Middle East,” Arkansas GOP Rep. Tom Cotton told Fox News.
Cotton, who is now running for Senate, wrote Obama asking him to intervene.
A Mexican judge on Friday ordered Tahmooressi’s immediate release, after he spent seven months behind bars for crossing the border with loaded guns.
The judge said Tahmooressi should be freed because of his mental state. But he did not make a determination on the illegal-arms charges against the Afghanistan veteran diagnosed with post-traumatic stress disorder, according to a Mexican official who had knowledge of the ruling but was not authorized to give his name.
California GOP Rep. Dana Rohrabacher told The Washington Times that Obama was “AWOL” throughout the process.
Rohrabacher said he, fellow California GOP Rep. Ed Royce, former New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson and Arizona GOP Matt Salmon fought for Tahmooressi’s release after President Obama did not.
“The president, who is also the commander in chief, didn’t do his job,” Rohrabacher told the newspaper. “There is a lack of concern for this man, for this American hero who served our country. As commander in chief he showed a total disdain and non-interest in an American hero who served us in Afghanistan and a total disregard for the fact that he was suffering.”
Tahmooressi has said he took a wrong turn on a California freeway that funneled him into a Tijuana port of entry with no way to turn back.
"It is with an overwhelming and humbling feeling of relief that we confirm that Andrew was released today after spending 214 days in Mexican Jail," his family said in a statement.
Former 2008 GOP vice presidential nominee and Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin called the announcement of Tahmooressi’s release “wonderful news.”
But Palin also said she was disappointed to hear reports that the White House “never did fight” for his freedom.
“If true, then President Obama once again broke that sacred commitment to never leave an American behind,” she said on her Facebook page. “If I'm wrong on this, I'll be more than happy to acknowledge the president's efforts to see an honored vet set free.”
Republican and Democratic politicians had held talks with Mexican authorities to urge his release. A U.S. congressional committee also held a public hearing to pressure Mexico to free him.
Royce, chairman of the House Foreign Affairs Committee, said he was "elated" by the news and that Tahmooressi’s PTSD will be treated by specialists in the United States.
"As I said after visiting Andrew in the Mexican jail, he needs to come home to the United States to be with his mother, Jill, and the support network of friends I know to be standing by to help him,” Royce said.
Richardson, who grew up in Mexico and has negotiated on a range of international issues, said he met with Tahmooressi in jail in the border city of Tecate, and he had talked to Mexican officials to urge them to release him on humanitarian grounds.
Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz, D-Fla., also applauded his release.
"As a mother, my heart is with Jill Tahmooressi tonight and I can only imagine the many emotions she must be experiencing, namely the relief in knowing her son is coming home and that they will soon be reunited.”
Mexican authorities, however, had made clear that they would not be influenced by politics and that the matter was in the hands of its courts.
The Mexico Embassy said the judge’s rule was the correct legal decision but disputed allegations that U.S. officials were blocked from seeing Tahmooressi.
“From the first moment of his arrest up until his release, U.S. consular officials had access to him,” the embassy said in a statement.
In Mexico, possession of weapons restricted for use by the Army is a federal crime, and the country has been tightening up its border checks to stop the flow of US weapons that have been used by drug cartels.
His attorney, Fernando Benitez, had pushed for the 26-year-old Florida man to be released because Mexico has no experience in treating combat-related PTSD, even in its own soldiers.
Benitez had argued that Tahmooressi carries loaded guns with him because his weapons, which were bought legally in the U.S., make him feel safer. He added that the veteran is often distracted, which could have contributed to him becoming lost.
Still, Mexican prosecutors maintained Tahmooressi broke the law.
Tahmooressi was carrying in his truck a rifle, shotgun, pistol and hundreds of rounds of ammunition.
After being jailed in Tijuana, Tahmooressi's mother said, he tried to kill himself by cutting his neck with a shard from a light bulb in his cell because the guards and inmates threatened to rape, torture and kill him and he feared she would be in danger.
He was transferred to another prison, where a pastor visited him regularly and the Mexican government says he was under medical observation.
But a psychiatrist hired by Mexican prosecutors to examine the Afghanistan veteran agreed with the defense that he should get PTSD treatment in the United States, noting in a Sept. 30 report that Tahmooressi, who now serves in the Marine reserve, feels like he is constantly in danger.
Tahmooressi did not admit wrongdoing, and he still maintains his innocence, his attorney said.
His mother has said her son's time in a Mexican jail has been worse than his two tours in Afghanistan.
Tahmooressi left Florida for San Diego in January to get help after dropping out of college, unable to concentrate or sleep, his mother said.
The case marks one of the first times Mexico made a ruling on PTSD — though the psychological wound is increasingly used in U.S. courts, especially in arguing for reduced sentences.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/11/02/republicans-cheer-tahmooressi-release-and-gop-lawmakers-efforts-question-obama/?intcmp=latestnews
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Funny - wjhere is Obama at the WH lawn w his family like he was w Bergdalh?
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Funny - wjhere is Obama at the WH lawn w his family like he was w Bergdalh?
do you really want an answer to this? you can't figure it out.....? oy vey.
How letters has Greta Vannosejob received to help the next american in a mexico jail? she can take the next poor soul now.
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Marine Andrew Tahmooressi details Mexican ordeal in exclusive Fox News interview
Published November 06, 2014
FoxNews.com
The Marine sergeant arrested for carrying loaded rifles into Mexico contemplated suicide during a harrowing 214-day imprisonment that included beatings, chains and being stripped naked for hours at a time, he said Thursday during an exclusive interview with Fox News' Greta Van Susteren.
"I was vulnerable, feeling very vulnerable," Andrew Tahmooressi said of his initial days inside the La Mesa prison in Tijuana. "I know there are some messed up people in this world, and prison's a good place to find them."
Tahmooressi, a 26-year-old veteran of two tours in Afghanistan, was arrested on March 31 after mistakenly crossing the border with three registered guns. At one point, he tried escaping from La Mesa, only to be caught and beaten by guards.
"I was very afraid. I felt like it would be the last night of my life right there, that these guys were going to kill me," he said. "I thought running away was my only hope to get away from a situation like that."
"I'm going to be OK, everyone. I'll be just fine, I promise you."
- Marine Sgt. Andrew Tahmooressi
Although he said he got "pretty far," he was unable to get through a gate, and was subsequently beaten and chained by guards. At one point, he was stripped naked and strapped to a bed for nearly nine hours.
Later, Tahmooressi, who faced the prospect of being jailed for 21 years, tried to kill himself by smashing a light bulb and stabbing himself in the neck, though guards discovered him and brought him to a prison hospital in time to save his life.
Tahmooressi eventually was moved to a safer prison in Tecate, where he remained until a Mexican judge ordered Tahmooressi freed on Friday on humanitarian grounds after he’d spent seven months behind bars. Tahmooressi, who had been living out of his pickup in the San Diego area while he sought treatment for post-traumatic stress disorder when he was arrested, returned to his family in Florida on Saturday.
Tahmooressi family spokesman Jonathan Franks said the judge acted on a recommendation from the PGR, the Mexican Attorney General's Office. In that motion, the prosecutor "essentially withdrew the charges," Franks said. Moments later, the trial judge issued an acquittal in Andrew's case, calling for an "immediate and absolute release."
Now home for good, Tahmooressi told Van Susteren he's not sure he'll keep his guns, and now wants to keep busy, finding a job and "doing productive things."
But he says he's grateful for the support he had through the ordeal from Americans across the country who were outraged at his jailing.
"I'm going to be OK, everyone," he said. "I'll be just fine, I promise you."
Although Tahmooressi’s supporters have blasted President Obama for not doing more to get him freed, several politicians, including former New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson, members of Congress Duncan Hunter, R-Calif.; Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, R-Fla.; Ed Royce, R-Calif.; and Matt Salmon, R-Ariz., were among those who worked to secure his release.
"The totality of diplomacy, the judicial process, the legal strategy and the importance of the American-Mexican relationship resulted in Andrew's release," Richardson said after the announcement. "And now we have this great outcome. Andrew's coming home."
Richardson told Fox News Tahmooressi is seeking privacy and still needs to receive treatment for his PTSD, something that wasn’t available in Mexican prison-- a key argument put forth by defense attorney Fernando Benitez.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/11/06/marine-andrew-tahmooressi-details-mexican-ordeal-in-exclusive-fox-news/
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Close, but not really comparable. This guy was a former cop. Much more likely that he knew exactly what he could and couldn't do with firearms and ammunition. Also, I doubt he was arrested and held without bail. And the article says:
A jury acquitted him of the charges for possession of the "assault firearms" and handgun possession but convicted him in absentia of illegal possession of hollow-point bullets, shotguns, rifles and a high-capacity magazine.
That means he wasn't even present for his trial.
I think this one is a closer example (just read this today):
'Honest mistake' leads to Philly mother facing three years on gun charge
By Joshua Rhett Miller
Published July 16, 2014
FoxNews.com
Shaneen Allen, 27, was pulled over in New Jersey’s Atlantic County after making an unsafe lane change in the early morning hours of Oct. 1. Allen then told the officer that she had the .380 Bersa Thunder handgun, as well as a concealed carry permit in Pennsylvania, unaware that her permit was not transferable to The Garden State. (Courtesy: Evan Nappen)
A Philadelphia mother of two is facing three years in prison after she mistakenly entered New Jersey, where she was stopped for a traffic violation and found in possession of a handgun loaded with hollow-point bullets.
Shaneen Allen, 27, was pulled over in New Jersey’s Atlantic County after making an unsafe lane change in the early morning hours of Oct. 1. Allen then told the officer that she had the .380 Bersa Thunder handgun, as well as a concealed carry permit for Pennsylvania, unaware that her permit was not transferable to The Garden State.
“The gun charge was not proper to begin with at all,” her attorney, Evan Nappen, told FoxNews.com. “She made an honest mistake.”
Allen, who has no criminal record, was later charged with unlawful possession of a weapon and possession of hollow-point bullets. If convicted, the illegal possession of the handgun is a second-degree felony punishable by a mandatory minimum sentence of three years in prison.
"So in the effort of promoting gun control in New Jersey, they’ve created a situation where very sympathetic people get harmed and turned into the victim by gun laws."
- Attorney Evan Nappen
“New Jersey’s draconian and crazy gun laws gives the judge no discretion here — none,” Nappen continued. “You will get three years with no chance of parole if you’re convicted of this gun charge. So in the effort of promoting gun control in New Jersey, they’ve created a situation where very sympathetic people get harmed and turned into the victim by gun laws.”
Allen, who could not be reached for comment early Wednesday, had only owned the gun for a week prior to the arrest, Nappen said, and purchased it for her protection after being robbed twice in the past year.
“The officer knew there was a gun there, she was completely honest and open,” he continued. “There’s no aggravating factors in this case; she’s a single mom of two, working in the medical field who was robbed twice and that’s what inspired her to get a gun license in the first place.”
Despite a lack of a criminal record, Nappen said Allen was not accepted into a diversionary program that would allow her to avoid jail time altogether.
Nappen said Allen’s arrest also coincided with a gun buyback program in New Jersey last year that netted more than 10,000 handguns. Individuals who turned in weapons during the “no questions asked” buyback period were paid up to $250 per gun.
John Lott, Jr., president of the Crime Prevention Research Center, said the case was similar to that of Brian Aitken, a New Jersey man whose seven-year prison sentence was eventually commuted by Gov. Chris Christie.
In early 2009, Aitken moved back to New Jersey from Colorado to be closer to his young son and estranged wife. A planned visit with his son was canceled at the last minute and his mother, who was concerned for his safety, called the police. A subsequent search of his car by officers revealed two locked and unloaded handguns in the trunk, both of which were purchased legally in Colorado.
Aitken's father, Larry, told FoxNews.com at the time that he refused to see his son lost in the patchwork of state gun laws throughout the country.
"I don't think there are words yet invented that could characterize the — I guess anger would be one word, but it's a lot deeper than anger," Larry Aitken told FoxNews.com in 2010. "Whatever the word is that's a combination of anger, shock, disbelief, horror and a desire to expose all of this — that's the word.”
Lott, meanwhile, said he hopes “something similar” happens in Allen’s case, adding that she clearly did not intend to commit any crime.
"These mandatory sentences sometimes create really unfortunate results,” Lott continued. “My own academic research indicates that Ms. Allen is the type of person who benefits the most from having permitted concealed handguns: a minority woman who lives in high-crime urban areas. The people who are most likely to be victims of crime are the ones who benefit the most from having a gun for protection. In addition, women benefit much more than men do because they tend to be much weaker physically than their attackers.”
Jay McKeen, public information officer for the Atlantic County Prosecutor's Office, said Allen has a pre-trial conference scheduled for Aug. 5. Prosecutor James McClain declined to comment on the matter, McKeen said.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/07/16/honest-mistake-leads-to-philly-mother-facing-three-years-on-gun-charge/
Good job Fat Man.
Christie pardons Philadelphia mom who was arrested after bringing gun to NJ
Published April 02, 2015
FoxNews.com
N.J. Gov. Chris Christie Thursday pardoned a Philadelphia woman who faced jail time after she brought a registered handgun across the New Jersey border in 2013.
Shaneen Allen, a mother of two, was arrested in October of that year in Hamilton Township after she was pulled over during a routine traffic stop. Although she told police she had the gun and a Pennsylvania concealed carry permit, she faced up to three years in prison in New Jersey, where gun laws are among the strictest in the nation.
Allen, whose .380 Bersa Thunder handgun was loaded with hollow point bullets when she was arrested, had no criminal record. She was charged with unlawful possession of a weapon and possession of hollow-point bullets.
In September, Allen was allowed to enter a pre-trial intervention program.
Christie, a potential 2016 presidential candidate, initially said he would let the case play out in the state's judicial system. He said recently he would consider changing the state's gun laws, but that the Democratic legislature has no appetite for that and instead he would do what was in his purview, such as pardons.
Christie's action drew swift praise from the National Rifle Association.
The case drew national attention, in part because the same Atlantic County prosecutor and judge who signed off on pre-trial intervention for former NFL star Ray Rice, who knocked his then-fiancee out in an Atlantic City hotel elevator last year, denied the opportunity to Allen.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/04/02/christie-pardons-philadelphia-mom-who-was-arrested-after-bringing-gun-to-nj/?intcmp=latestnews